MacBreak Weekly 920: Breath of Lavender

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Hey, everybody, it's time for Mac Break Weekly ORG. Well, just a few hours ago, Apple ORG announced new iPads, a new Apple pencil. We've got the panel to talk about it, explain it, and delve deep into what the M4 PRODUCT is all about. Is this Apple's way of saying, forget the Mac, you need an iPad PRODUCT? I don't know. Doc Rock PERSON is here from e-cam.We've got Andy Anachco and Micah Sargent PERSON stuck around after the event. So we've got some talking to do coming up next. The brand new iPads are here on Mac Break Weekly ORG. Podcasts you love.

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This is Mac Break Weekly, episode 920, recorded Tuesday, May 7th, 2024.

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Breath of lavender.

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It's time for MacBrick Weekly, the show where we cover the latest news from Apple ORG.

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And, of course, this morning there was big news so much so that half the panel has disappeared.

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Andy, thank you for not leaving me.

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Andy Annocco PERSON is here,

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what he's in the library with a sailing ship model, Andy Anacco from GBAH in Boston GPE. Hi, Andrew PERSON.

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Yes, thank you. I thought I'd show off the, where your educational tax dollars are going into our library infrastructure, which is part of its healthy community and an informed community.Actually, my pick of the week has to do with the library.

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So stay tuned. Excellent. Also with us, Mike Sargent, he got up early with me, early Pacific time TIME anyway, 7 a.m. to watch the Apple event and then host iOS today. So we're really putting them to work today. A three show day for Mr. Sargent PERSON.You can go take a nap later.

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I was up at 4 this morning and for some reason I could not get back to sleep.

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Yeah, I had the same problem.

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I've been up since 4.

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I had the same problem. Maybe we were just so excited.

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And my 8 sleep said, well, your heart rate was 7% higher. What's going on?

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I was excited because it's, you know, a holiday, geek day for Apple ORG lovers.

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Doc Rock's here filling in for Alex Lindsay PERSON.

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Hello, doctor.

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Hello.

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I was going to say, Michael, what is this?

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7-4, man, you know, for us Hawaii people, we got to get up at 4. And I'm the same, though. I have that disease. It's called Apple ORG announcement insomnia. Every time.

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I never get to sleep properly the night before. I don't know why. Did you get up for the, I mean, it wasn't, this is the night before. I don't know why. Did you get up for the, I mean, it wasn't, this is the weird thing. It wasn't an event.It was more of a viewing party, right? Yeah.

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And I got up.

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I got up and I really thought like maybe it was going to be like two hours for some reason. I was like, man, they're going pretty fast. And it was about 48 minutes or whatever. So it could have been a TV show. But first time I watched it on Apple TV instead of YouTube PRODUCT,

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just out of curiosity, and it's glorious. And it was when you open the Apple ORG TV app, it was like the giant hero. Yeah. It looked really good. Yeah.

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Don't tell the antitrust people.

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Yeah.

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I think there's the first one that really felt like an infomercial.

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I was almost expecting like a Chiron with an 800 number on it. Like it was just like, okay, well, if there's, if you're all you're going to do is post like a highly produced video with sales points, marketing points, okay. I'll definitely like bookmark that for watching later. But it's like it takes the eventness out of it.

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Yeah, I commented on the same thing to Micah PERSON early on is that it really felt like an advert, not an event. And I guess that's what happens. If Alex PERSON were here, we'd say, no, no, this is the way. Because in 48 minutes, they got everything. Now, it was supposed to be 25 minutes. I guess

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Kerman PERSON got that wrong. Well, is you supposed to be? No, it was rumored to be.

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Not necessarily supposed to be. Well, I know. I be? No, it was rumored to be.

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Not necessarily supposed to be. Well, I know.

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I actually, of course, I used one of our favorite apps Downey PRODUCT to download like the actual

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video.

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And so it's 41 minutes, 40 seconds minus probably the three minutes that took to launch for the countdown. So yeah, this was pretty short. This is pretty brisk.

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Yeah.

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And the countdown was very smooth transition.

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But the one thing that I thought was funny,

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I don't know if you noticed is when Tim PERSON was doing the talk, Tim PERSON had this bounce and he would like every syllable, he was doing like a cada okay ball bounce. Every couple syllables, he would like pop, pop. And I was waiting for him to just do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

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Tim PERSON is always a little pressured in his speech a little good morning but he seemed more so I don't know why but he did see more so there was something going on

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I noticed that too he was a little bit of he was a little bit Italian NORP in his gestures

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yeah maybe that's maybe that's one of the other reasons why I got the infomercial sort of vibe off of this

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Tim PERSON didn't stay very long.

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He just stayed long enough to say, the good news is the Vision Pro PRODUCT selling exactly as we intended.

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Yeah.

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And all the superlatives that we thought we would miss out on, all the irrelevant superlatives that we thought we miss out on by not having a live event.

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So the new MacBook PRODUCT airs are the best selling notebooks in the entire world. That's nice.

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We didn't get a walkthrough of like a new architectural Maven Apple ORG store, flagship store. But it'll do.

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It'll do.

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No mention of the big product that Apple sells half of their revenue, which is the iPhone PRODUCT. But this was really iPad Day and pencil day. I'm on the Apple ORG store, which was closed. This time they got up right after the event. They wanted to give you a chance to buy. And everything we're going to talk about, you can order right now for delivery. Well, it was next week. I don't know if they're getting sold out. So there's an iPad Pro in 11 and 13 inches. They're not saying 12.9 anymore.There's a new iPad Air in 13 and 11 inches, which looks interestingly a lot like the old iPad Pro PRODUCT, even has an M2 PRODUCT chip in it. They drop the price of the 10th generation iPad PRODUCT. That's now the base model at 349, which is a great price, really.I mean, for an iPad PRODUCT that will do everything,

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these other guys will do.

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And they're off to the right.

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It says, new, new, new.

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And the iPad PRODUCT mini where there was absolutely nothing.

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Yeah, that's a bummer. That was the thing I was really looking forward to. And also, it's, they really seem to have cluttered like the top end now. It's, I was amazed. I'm sure we'll talk about this later, but it just seemed weird that, okay, so you now have the iPad Air PRODUCT, which has most of the functionality that would attract someoneto the iPad Pro PRODUCT. If they're assuming that they don't, they're not made of money, they don't want to necessarily spend top dollar on the top, on the top device, but it's no longer the thinnest, the iPad Air PRODUCT is not the thinnest one. It's like the easiest one to hold is still going to be the iPad Pro PRODUCT. And so it bumps me out that they missed an opportunity to really differentiate the iPad by bumping up the iPad mini PRODUCT, which again, it's it's such a great device.

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Yeah, I, I'm curious what you all thought. My takeaway from this, and I guess coming at it from a Mac user, a Macintosh user, is that Apple ORG is now doubling down on this notion of what's a PC? This is the post-PC computer. And it really is looking more and more and priced more and more like a full full fledged

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laptop I really feel like they people who like me who are worried oh what what you know what's

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going to happen to mac and macOS PRODUCT I think the alarm bells are going off again I was I was

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lulled to sleep for a while but I think they're going off again well I think they're going off

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you know my my take was it that, gee, it's impressive.

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These are great leaps and performance.

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They made great hay about what Final Cut could do on an iPad PRODUCT with AI features and selecting things and selecting foreground objects from background object that just touch the button, blah, blah, blah. All I could think of, however, was, wow, that's really, really impressive. Imagine how impressive an achievement they could have made if five or ten years ago they had not decided that touchscreens do not belong on Max. This could be a Macintosh. This could be a next evolution of a hybrid desktop tablet sort of OS sort of interface. And now, as I mean, as I so ably demonstrated last week, you can't reallysub an iPad PRODUCT for a laptop's work. It's to this day, the same thing that is true today as it was the first day. An iPad PRODUCT is great so long as you can really predict exactly what you're going to need it to do and everything works fine. It's the moment when you have to call an audible in the middle on the day and in the moment that it really starts to let you down. So again, kudos to making a really wonderful tablet. I've got an iPad Pro PRODUCT.I love it. But what I would love this iPad Pro to be is just no iPad at all and just a Mac PRODUCT that is that flexible. Yeah.

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I think it's coming. I think the convergence is getting closer. And strangely, the Rosetta Stone of this, if you will, is the Apple Vision Pro. Because that is the first computer.That's not a computer, but it is a computer. And it shows that you can put computer as appliance. So I think we're three to four years out, but I believe your wish comes too sooner than you think.

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I'm not wishing for this, believe me. The Vision Pro is an iPad PRODUCT internally, right? I mean, it's basically the iPad PRODUCT.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I wonder, you know, I don't think Apple will stop making the Mac PRODUCT. But it really feels like they want people. This is the computer they want people, even pros to buy. Here's the, just so people know what we're talking about, the comparison. On the left is the new 13-inch M4 PRODUCT. That's very important based iPad Pro PRODUCT.This is a M2-based iPad Pro, generation and the new iPad Air PRODUCT also M2. Price-wise, I don't know why they don't have the, maybe they stopped selling the iPad Pro, sixth generation. They don't have a price for it. Screen now 13 inches instead of 12.9. You can see that. Ultra retina xDR on the new iPad Pro. Liquid Retina XDR on the old iPad Pro PRODUCT and liquid retina no DR on the air. You don't get promotion either, but all three are P3, all three are true tone, all three have in any reflective coding. And they introduced a nanotextry display on the one and two terabyte models of the new iPad PRODUCT.Now, that's the same nanotexture, I think, that's on the monitor, right, on the XDR monitor, which is, I think, pretty sensitive. Micah, you stopped me from ordering the nanotexture display.

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Please don't get it.

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Because it's dimmer?

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That was the thing that I didn't hear people complaining about any sort of sensitivity or that it would chip or something. It was just that by having that on there, you're reducing,they felt that the brightness was reduced.

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But remember when the XDR PRODUCT display came out with a nanotexture, they said, don't touch it. And they sold a $19. cup polishing cloth with it. Maybe they've got a more durable.

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Hopefully this is, yeah, this is a different kind of.

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I mean, don't touch it. It doesn't work for an iPad PRODUCT.

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Exactly.

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You've got to touch it. It's kind of a problem.

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Only with the Apple Pencil PRODUCT. Yeah.

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The M4 PRODUCT chip is now out. I'm not sure. We're going to have to really dive deep into that and we will in a bit. 10 core CPU up to. They didn't talk about the 10 cores. They talked about the 6 and 4.10 core GPU, 16 core neural engine. That's the same 16 core neural engine. It looks like in the M2 versions of the iPad PRODUCT. In fact, it's very similar to the M2 PRODUCT. So we'll be interested to see. Camera-wise,they're still going with that 12-machapixel QUANTITY. Even though they promoted the idea that you might want to shoot video with your iPad PRODUCT, please don't.

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Yes, but you'll notice that they lost a lens. We only have one camera lens on the new iPad PRODUCT pros, whereas the previous model has both the wide and ultra wide. It was an interesting choice to get rid of a lens, but I thinkone that suggests, hey, maybe

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the iPad PRODUCT's not the best place to be taking the photos of the videos. Yeah, even though

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they showed it. But they did also release.

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Yeah, but they showed it specifically for files,

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you know, they were really scanning.

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It kind of as a document scanning or if you need to.

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But, yeah.

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They also, they also released a Final Cut camera app, which is designed for multi-camera shoots using Final Cut on the iPad PRODUCT. So I think they want you to use your iPhone PRODUCT. I don't know. That's confusing. They did. Thank God PERSON.They moved the camera. Always been a problem for me on the iPad Pro PRODUCT, which the camera was on the left-hand side if you held it in landscape mode. In fact, they even show it here in portrait mode as if, oh, of course, that's how you're supposed to hold an iPad PRODUCT. But the new one, they put it on top like they did with the air.So that's good. It does have the true depth camera system. You know, it'll move around with you on center stage. Connectors, yep, Thunderbolt USB4 PRODUCT, just like the previous version, face ID. Here's one you're going to be interested in, though. Apple Pencil Pro PRODUCT is not

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supported on your old iPad Pro. Yeah, it requires an M2 or an M4 PRODUCT, excuse me, a new, new air or a new, new pro.

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Yeah, because this is 12th generation, I mean, 12.9 inch, six generation iPad is on M2 PRODUCT. So it's not the M2 PRODUCT. They just, they declined to support the pencil pro on the older iPad PRODUCT pro. Maybe a little nudge to get you in there. Yeah.

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So now that means that now they have three pencils. They have to keep like, I check to make sure even the first generation pencil is still on the books, which is,I suppose is fair because they want to make sure it's compatible all the way down. But wow, that's, I'm sure that's a non-optimal roadmap that they were trying to avoid.

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They have bumped the minimum memory storage, which is a good thing, frankly. That was a little low at 128, but it's now 256 gigs. Let's do a little shopping, shall we?So, Micah PERSON, you're going to get, you like the 11 inch, eh?

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And black or silver?

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Space black.

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Of course. Got to love that, right?

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Up to 2 terabytes QUANTITY.

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Notice though, the two terabytes is $1,000 more than the 256 gigabytes QUANTITY.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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It's not just storage.

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I'm thinking you get a better processor.

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I don't know.

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You get something more.

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I don't know.

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Anyway.

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People have not yet pulled that apart, but I think that is, you know, in the works of trying to figure out exactly because we have seen in the past that the terabyte models have more RAMor have other features that the non-terabyte models have.

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I think that's what it is. My current one is

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two terabytes and I

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mainly got it because I just was going to be using it to dump a lot of photo and footage when I'm traveling.

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I use it to edit. And at this point in time, like I would say one would have been fine. But I always overdo it. Yeah. Because you can't add it, right?

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Yeah, you can't really add it later. But it is super handy being able to like, you know, take pictures with my cameras or take footage with my camera or the Osmo Pocket 3 PRODUCT now, which is my favorite camera, double it straight to the iPad, get the chopping, and then, you know, I'll put stuff on the fly. So it's helpful, but I don't really notice anything other than the space.

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If you go up, it's, go ahead.

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It's, it might sound a little bit weird given how cheap you can buy a terabyte of storage,

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like as a, as a Thunderbolt PRODUCT device. But it's possible, that's likely that it's not just the amount. It's the kind of RAM that they want to put in there. I thought it's still kind of weird that on the iPad Air, you can still get the minimum of 128 gigs, which is like, really, seriously. But I think that might be equally a reflection of, here's how much Apple ORG spends on RAM and here's how much it would affect the really,really comfortable buy-in price of the iPad air if they made the minimum just 256 gigs QUANTITY. That reminds me, too.

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You were talking about the nanotexture glass. Speaking of storage size impacting, nanotexture glass is only available on the 1 terabyte and 2 terabyte models. That's right. So you can't even get that nano on the smaller.

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And that's probably because they're doing something with the image in order to make it work properly with the new nanotexture, especially with the new sandwich displays. So it might need that extra space in order to do something. Who knows what that's.

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You're very generous, Doc Rock PERSON. It could also be because they just want you'd have to get more,

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spend more money. I never take that approach because that is the easiest way to ruin a business

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and this business has not ruined itself for all this time. But everyone always goes to,

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oh, they're just doing this to make money. I'll tell you how I run my business. I do things to make money. Yeah, they're pushing you. They're giving you reasons

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to buy more. There is also, thanks to a James B PERSON, who's looking at the tech specs, the one and two

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terabyte models have one more performance core. They have twice the RAM 16 gigs. The lower storage units, 256 and 512, have three cores in performance cores and 8 gigs of RAM.

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So that's what the bump is.

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You're getting, but it sounds like you really want to at least get a terabyte if you want the nanotexture or more RAM.

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I think 16 gigs of RAM seems like a good idea, personally.

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Yeah, especially with the investment in AI,

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now that they're really going both shoulders ahead with that, at least on other platforms, we've seen that these models, if you're trying to run them on device and that seems to be what Apple ORG wants to do, you really do need as much RAM as possibleto get them to work efficiently. And that was after people were already complaining that 8 gigs seemed a little bit chinty, at least not for under advice that might not have the option of getting more RAM than that or a really, really big price jump for getting more RAM than that. So, I mean, they did, I think my, a lot of us were kind of paying close attention to what do they say about artificial intelligencebecause they're going to part of the messaging going forward for Apple ORG is going to be yes, but we acknowledge that we live in an AI-driven tech world. Believe me, all of our hardware and software and our operating systems are going to reflect that. So we're going to spend even on a 41 minute or 40-minute presentation, we're going to spend at least three or four, five minutes TIME explaining exactly how powerful the M4 PRODUCT is for how powerful the neural engine is.I think they actually even said that with a lot of fudge factor in it, the iPad Pro PRODUCT is the most powerful, has the most powerful onboard AI of any desktop computer. They're basically saying that all the all the Intel ORG stuff has not come out yet. It is faster than all the stuff that is currentlyexisting. It probably won't be as fast as what's going to happen in six months for now. But at least for now we can say that we have the most powerful AI hardware support in the CPU on any mobile or desktop computer.

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If numbers are your thing, you can remember the number 38, 38 tops, which is what they're claiming for their AI engine. You can compare that when Qualcomm stuff comes out, which is any minute now. Yeah, I don't know if Intel's going to even be in the game, But Qualcomm is claiming, of course, to be outperforming the M2s PRODUCT. Nanotexture glass costs you 100 bucks more. Wi-Fi, I mean, plus cellular, rather.Cellular costs you $200 more. That's kind of a bump. It used to be $129. It's now $200.

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And some people were caught off guard, I guess, by the fact that the cellular models no longer have a physical SIM drawer.

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Oh, it's ESIM. Yeah. So if that's a thing that bugs you, be aware of that. Yeah, and I imagine that will be more of an issue outside the U.S.But here in the U.S. GPE, I think every carrier does ESIM now. Let's see, what else? Apple Pencil Pro is $129. Apple regular pencil non-pro is $79. They are not offering the less expensive pencil.Apple Pencil's ORG dilettante edition.

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I just bought a new pencil like two weeks ago because I left one in the airplane.

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I just bought a new pencil two weeks ago. And it's funny now a pencil can be found with Find My PRODUCT.

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And I was like, oh, I see.

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After I tear apart my whole house looking for the thing.

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They packed a lot of stuff into that pencil.

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I don't know if they have UWB in there or what, but it's pretty impressive.

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So let's see here.

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Magic to add the magic keyboard.

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Something I would never buy again again by the way. Really? You like the third party ones? I know I love my magic keyboard, but here with a traveling, it happens so many times when you're set up on the, the tray table, right? And I have a 12.9 inch pro. It's bent back like that. Everything is glorious. I'm in my movie. And the person in front decides that throw the chair

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back. Oh, that's bad.

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And then it bites the top of that little

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clippy thing. And the iPad

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either hits the tank or, yeah.

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And I'm like, you know what? I'm not even

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going to bother anymore. I'm just going to get a regular folio and a some portable keyboard and just be happy.

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Because, yeah, it's nice to type on it. It does make it way heavier too. And so now that most of my life is in an airplane or an airport, I'm like, yeah, I'm not buying one of those ever again. And I actually like it.

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Yeah. Well, that's going to be true of any laptop, of course. I do, I do love my magic keyboard. I generally keep it. That's generally where the iPad PRODUCT lives. I find though that I think for the reasons that you were mentioning, I also tend to keep the like the standard just like keyboard, excuse me, the standard cover like in the bag as well. Because if I'm going to be out for like a day, even overnight, it's kind of nice to have that option of being able to actually fold it as flat as I wanted to go.The only thing I don't like about the magic keyboard is it bends only to a certain extent and no further. And oftentimes that extra like 15, 20 degrees QUANTITY is a difference between perfect, perfect viewing angle and okay, I guess that'll do.

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Yes, exactly. And I, you know, here's it so that'll do. Yes, exactly.

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And I, you know, here's it so, this is so crazy, Andy PERSON.

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I often forget to take it out. Like, because it lives there so much that in my brain, it's just part of the deal. So oftentimes I'm sitting there, I'm holding it uncomfortably. I'm holding the magic keyboard uncomfortably. And my brain never says, hey, dummy, just pull it apart.Oh, look, you can just carry this.

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You know, and so, so yeah I agree with you magic keyboard is 300 dollars it's cheaper it was 350 oh all right that's a that's a blessing it does have a function row so win key a win

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300 bucks but that it does it does make it it a challenging proposition because now, again, I love the iPad Pro PRODUCT,

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but if Apple ORG is positioning it as something that is competitive with a laptop, by the time you add in a comfortable keyboard case like that,

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you are not just, you are almost in the arena of like a performance grade, uh, Windows PRODUCT notebook with, with, with a, with a, with a pen that was probably not as good as the pencil, but as good as most people are going to want. So it's an interesting proposition to suddenly say once you look, it's, I mean, I, I, I, I did get the iPad pro I wanted. I did not get the keyboard case until like eight to ten months later DATE when the previous generation model was on sale and I found out that you can actually use them in the new models too.So I was able to cheap out and at least spread it out a little bit. But if I had $15, $1,600 worth of iPad in my basket at once, I would have need to take a good 48 hour breather to figure out what can I buy for $1,600 worth of iPad in my basket at once, I would have need to take a good 48-hour breather to figure out what can I buy for $1,600 that might do as good a job as this iPad Pro PRODUCT combination? And can I do even better than that for the same amount or as good for $400 and $500 less?

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If you are a mini fan, by the way, German is saying that there will be a seventh generation mini PRODUCT at some point relatively soon.

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So we'll see.

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And a new pencil to go with it. Maybe, maybe.

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I like the mini PRODUCT. Exactly. Yeah.

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I've had mini PRODUCT pencil.

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I use the mini far more than I use any other iPad PRODUCT.

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But okay.

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Let's see.

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Have we covered all of the...

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Oh, I forgot to tell you your price, Micah, with a terabyte, 1899. It is. It's a laptop. It's an expensive Windows PRODUCT laptop. And that's the 11-inch model. You put in the 13-inch model.It kind of goes up a little bit more as well.

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21-99.

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21-niner-niner.

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Yeah. I just put it in the chat. I paid $25.99 for my last one.

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Yeah. You know, I should probably keep track of prices and stuff. This is, I think, the same price, yes, as the old one was.

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Pretty close.

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It feels like it's roughly the same price.

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So, Mike, I have a question.

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Sorry, Leo PERSON, I know you're in boss, but I had to ask a question because you mentioned earlier,

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you guys said that not to get the nano, you think that the regular screen and paper-like

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or something of that nature is better?

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So I, the reason why I was suggesting Leo PERSON not get the

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nanotexture display. He knows

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me. That's why. He knows.

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Yeah, I know Leo PERSON. He knows.

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That's what it is. And B,

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the complaints that

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I've heard is that you do see

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a drop in brightness

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by doing that. And so

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for some people that's annoying, even

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if it means that there's less reflection.

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But I can't speak to the textural differences.

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Now with the double,

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see, the thing that got me this morning, and again, my eyes were still halfway focusing. When they talked about the stacked OLEDs, this time we're getting OLED,that's a difference. It should be brighter. It's a thousand nits or stop that. Stupid reactions. And then it also has, so you have the double paddle. So that just has me intrigued. And normally I would just be triggering now. But now I think I have to go in and see for myself. Yeah. How does it, how bright it is? Because you're right. As you get, what's the word we say now, Leo PERSON?Vintage is important. Brightness is the difference being able to see clearly or not, right?

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Vintage people need light. Yeah. I also, yeah, I had the liquid paper on mine because Alex PERSON told me toand it gives it a nice texture with the pencil. I took it off because I just, I had the liquid paper on mine because Alex PERSON told me to and it gives it a nice texture with the pencil. I took it off because I just, I want the glass. I like the smooth glass. Now, we'll see with the new pencil. We'll see. So you like a little texture on your screen, doc.

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Well, only because, you know, they show one of the first things is like people take an actual note.

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When it comes to writing, it's glorious. For everything else, it's irritating. And I wish I could just clip it on like, you know, the old grandpa's shades. I wish I could just clip on the texture, write, and then take it back off. Well, that is the advantage of the screen. The screen cover is you can at least remove it if you decide you don't like it.When you buy the nanoscreen, you got it. It's yours. Yeah.

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I can't remember who it is, but somebody has figured out how the outside is a magnet.

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And so, or something like that. I'll have to send you, I'll find it. And I'll tell you. The whole way around, the whole perimeter. Yeah, they basically make the outside the sticky part, but it's not sticky.

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So you can pop it out and have a magnetic screen.

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And then, yeah, pull it off afterwards.

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Because you remember the old school CRT 3Ms PRODUCT?

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They were just clip on, right?

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When you wanted the privacy screen or the anti-glare, it was just a little frame. Yeah.

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We need more Velcro in a $2,000.

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That's it.

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Thank you to Mike in the chat. It's from Astropad ORG and it's called rock paper pencil. Oh. And yeah, it just goes on the outside is where it connects and then you can just take it off. It's nanocling. It's not magnets.

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Well, nano cling is even better than... I want to get from now new from Saran Wrap PRODUCT, nano cling.

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Okay, so it is just a cling.

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I don't. That seems like that's...

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I have one. You do? I haven't installed it though, so I can't talk about that.

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It's just sitting in a box for like a month now because I bought it.

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I was like, oh, this is so cool.

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But, yeah, I'll have to try it and let you know. Huh.

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Nano cling PRODUCT sounds like something that is sponsored by the mill trimming products that's on all the podcasts.

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I was thinking it was sponsored by Charmin ORG.

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Oh, God, you guys. You mean, okay, so it uses static, basically. It's stronger than magnets, according to Astropad ORG. Huh.

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Huh.

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And they also have their own rock paper pencil tip, which looks like a ballpoint pen.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you can get that with the kit if you'd like.

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But the problem is I have to, this is so stupid, but I have to clean the iPad screen first.

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And I just am lazy.

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So I haven't done it.

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Yeah, you want it perfect, don't you?

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Why we recommend you a bottle

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of swoosh? I have

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swoosh. I've got all the stuff I need

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except for the desire to make it happen.

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Isn't that funny how geeks

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converge on a product?

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It's just odd like

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the Nealai Patel PRODUCT said the

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printer everybody has that nobody talks about

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which is

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what is that brother Lesser

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HL2 PRODUCT something something yeah and then

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go ahead you can bring me the swoosh and then apparently

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we have without it's like we all we all our menstrual cycles have synchronized it we all have this same cleaners oh wait but this is not a swooshthis is whooosh you know he met

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I meant whoosh.

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Oh, good.

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What a relief. Come on. What a relief.

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I wouldn't want to be in the app craft.

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Yeah, we were going to have to find a new product called swoosh, right?

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I never heard a whoosh, but apparently our team does.

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Oh, man, it tastes really good with a single malt.

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I'm joking.

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Do not drink your whoosh.

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All right, let's take a little break.

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We have lots more to talk about.

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We'll go to 11 inch.

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We'll talk about the new pro pencil. Well, you take the break.

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I'll clean my iPad PRODUCT screen and put this nanocling on it. Put your woo.

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By all means, that's something you should do spontaneously and in a rush.

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Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

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Andy Anacos PERSON here. Jason Snell PERSON is somewhere. I think he's getting a briefing. Don't know about Alex, though. I think Alex and that goes here. Jason Snell is somewhere. I think he's getting a briefing. Don't know about Alex PERSON, though. I think Alex PERSON just got a job. We don't know.Was he at, was he the office hours earlier?

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I don't know. All those are told us, I can't make it. And I was, I didn't want to push it on. No,no push.

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Just like,

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never push because that gives us a chance

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to have Micah and Doc PERSON on. I'm happy about it. Doc Rock PERSON is here. We're very happy to have him. And, of course, Micah Sargent, who joined me this morning early this morning to, it wasn't early for anybody but us and Doc Rock PERSON.It was really early for Doc Rock PERSON. Here is I Justine has already posted her first look at the IM4 iPad Pro PRODUCT with the nanotexture display. She's talking into a zippo lighter. I'm not sure why that is, but anyway.

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Let's check them out. Here's the new iPad PRODUCT.

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See if you see Snell PERSON in there. The mat display. I'm so excited about this. As you can see, there's so much. So that's interesting. So even though it was a viewing party,

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they did invite some

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tame journalists to an event

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somewhere. This might have been before.

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I wonder if this was yesterday.

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No, no, it was today.

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It was today.

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Because they post,

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Andrew PERSON and iPhone

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do, they posted pictures. They were all together. Okay. Okay. So good. today? Because they post, Andrew and iPhone PRODUCT for a roof,

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they posted pictures.

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They were all together.

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Okay. Okay. So good. There's a little event. This might be, I think they were doing an event in New York GPE.I bet you this is New York GPE, not Capritino GPE. But I don't know. I can't wait to see that tandem OLED display. That's going to be interesting.So Mike and I did both order you getting

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yours Wednesday, Micah. Is that right? Yes, it is coming on the 15th as well. Micah will have the 11-inch.

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I will have the 13-inch. We both got the pencil. I got the keyboard. Did you get the keyboard or no?

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Yeah, it'll be a full, full dealy bob. The whole package. Yeah, the whole kit and caboodle.

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Awesome. Awesome.

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Awesome.

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We will, so we'll have that review for you. Probably on the Ask the Tech guys be the first time we'll be able to do it. But you'll do a full review, of course.

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I'll do a full on, yeah, video as well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they're saying a 2x performance over the over the previous generation a lot of that's going to with the iPads PRODUCT that's it's weird though because they've always been like overpowered for what they do so by the way and it wasn't in fact over the previous generation

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it was over two generations ago which i thought was kind of cheesy of apple PERSON yeah the

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comparison you see how that stuck in your head, though? It's twice as fast. It's not twice as fast as the previous. Two previous.

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I did know that they wanted to snow was 10 times faster than the original iPad Pro PRODUCT.

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Yeah, like, these are meaningless.

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The one with the home button and the thick, and the thick bezels.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Well, but the other thing, honestly, to be fair, I don't, does anybody, I have an M1

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Mac, iPad Pro PRODUCT, does anybody feel like that was too slow or didn't perform well enough? I don't think so.

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It's weird because the iPad Pro PRODUCT, there are really, there's a, there's a thick wall between two

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kinds of users. There are a handful users that use it for really intensive productivity stuff.

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Like, I'm talking about video editing. I'm talking about really intense kind of like art creation. And there's the rest of us that are buying this because, again, they wish they had a Mac PRODUCT, a MacBook PRODUCT that had a tablet style MacBook or something with a touchscreen or something they could use a pencil for, whether you're just taking notes and stuff. And yeah, it's seriously overpowered for,it's always been seriously overpowered for what most people use it for. So again, it's nice. We have to remind ourselves and everybody that just because it's an M4 PRODUCT is not, oh, well, that means it's too badthan the M2 PRODUCT in it. It's like, no, it's just like the next generation of processors. You can have a slow M4 PRODUCT, you can have a super fast M4. The fact that you're going to see an M4 PRODUCT and a desktop later on this year doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to have the same performance, the same capabilities.But they really, it's interesting that they decided to use this, not just as a rollout for the M4 PRODUCT, but also to start promoting it as like the next generation of Apple ORG Silicon, given that it's really hard to come up with stuff to really show it off for. They did mention things like being in Final Cut PRODUCT and being able to isolate like a dancing figure and put out a new new background just by touching one button and the other parts in a demolike that. But that's not a whole lot of people are saying, gee, I really, really wish I could do that kind of pro level editing on an iPad PRODUCT. There are a lot of people that are saying, well, I'm going to spend that much money and get, again, a Windows PRODUCT notebook. They'll do a lot of the same things for it. They did show, though, at the rock climbing wall,

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people shooting and then editing video with Final Cut PRODUCT. They have updated Final Cut PRODUCT pro too for this.

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So they clearly think that that's a market.

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And to be fair, they know who's buying these things.

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And they know that that's why they keep the iPad PRODUCT airs like so so vibrant. There are people who want that extra level of performance, the extra push over the cliff. And there are the other people who are just using it to take notes in class, watch videos, play games. There's also a call out for the gaming, gaming capabilities of this thing with what the M4 PRODUCT and the other people who are just using it to take notes in class, watch videos, play games. There's also a call out for the gaming, gaming capabilities of this thing with what the M4 and the other capabilities would let you do. So I think that, but they kept that to the iPad Air PRODUCT section of the talk and they kept the iPadPro for Final Cut PRODUCT. Yeah.

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As Geezerner says, I can't wait to see how much faster I can write in Scrivener PRODUCT on my new iPad Pro.

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It's funny when, you know, a lot of the conversation around the pro or the not pro is always

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about productivity. The people don't talk about what type of productivity you're doing, right? If you're doing everything in Notion or Evernote PRODUCT or something of that nature, then, yeah, maybe it doesn't matter, right? But if your productivity is based around Sketch up or they showed, not Blender PRODUCT, they show Z brush, some other things like that, those all count.Those all count and they do actually tax pretty hard. If you're a logic person and you're running pretty heavy logic action, which a lot as an ex-DJ, I would would tell you a lot of music people use iPads PRODUCT. What happens, the general tech person in our circle and the general is a YouTuber, also my circle, they always talk about it like the way it matches them. People forget about

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Bechtel, who's doing civil engineering and their iPads PRODUCT are running really high-level tests. People forget about all the restaurants, which is why you want 128 gigabyte bottle because all they do is using for retail. And they run one app and one app only. People forget about education, healthcare, occupational therapies,all of the things that you use an iPad for other than you just use it to watch Netflix ORG. And I get that and knock yourself out, player. But like, don't be like Apple ORG doesn't have the knowledge of who they're selling to when they make these devices. And it cracked me up every time because people always have these weird hot takes. And one of the ones was, why put the M4 in this first? Wow, what a great test bed where you're less likely to have full-scale meltdown.

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Is it iPads PRODUCT.

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And collect all the data and then make adjustments and then get ready for it to end up

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in what would probably be the air next or the MacBook Pros that we'll probably see in the middle of June.

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Well, that's going to be a challenge for them because they have Mac, they have M3s PRODUCT to put out still.

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I mean, are you going to skip?

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They skipped M3 PRODUCT with this. You think they're just going to skip M3 PRODUCT entirely for the rest of the line? There won't be an M3 IMac PRODUCT. There won't be an M3 IMAQ PRODUCT. There won't be an M3 Mac Pro PRODUCT. They'll just go right to four everywhere.Yeah, this studio right here needs a bump. And so, like, I'm assuming, you know, it just hit its second birthday. Happy birthday.

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It'd be hard to sell an M3 Mac Studio PRODUCT, wouldn't it? Yeah.

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So you have to go to M4 PRODUCT.

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Yeah.

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Like, now that I know this exists, when they told me, hey, here's a brand new M3MX studio. I'll be like, what are you talking about with us? Yeah.

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Yeah. You know, you're right. And so it could just be pure nomenclature. Maybe it doesn't have to do anything. But like now it has to be an M4 or M5 Mac Studio PRODUCT. I definitely don't want M-Tray PRODUCT.Sorry.

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Well, the other thing is it's going to be very hard to run the traditional industry benchmarks on an iPad PRODUCT. So, you know, we may not, this may be a chance for Apple to release the M4 PRODUCT without getting a whole bunch of information. I mean, I hope a non-tech can somehow do something with this M4 PRODUCT to find out what's really going on. Is it just, there it is, is it just a, the new three nanometer node and M3 PRODUCT? It doesn't, it seems like it's got the same basic features, yes?

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Well, the neural engine is, again, they spent a lot of time trying to convince us that this was something brand new and something really revolutionary.

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And I think 38 tops was the same. Wasn't that the same number for the M3 PRODUCT? I don't know. I don't know.

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The one that strike me is the 120 gigabies per second unified memory. Like, this is quick. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Let me look here.

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This is the M3Mex PRODUCT. So that's 12 core.

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Yeah. I mean, I guess it's not. I guess it's the next one. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We have to really get our hands on these before we can, we can know what's going on.

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I mean, it's, it's hard to, I mean, everything is a hot take like two hours after the announcement.

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Right.

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But it's, but it's like I actually, I did take down the quote because it was a very stick out your neck sort of thing.

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They're saying that about the M4 PRODUCT's neural engine more powerful than any neural processing unit

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and any PC today, which sounds like have some serve for those waffles. But nonetheless, that is at least if they're trying to say something about the state-of-the-art in May of 2024, it's kind of, it's an ambitious statement. We'll see if it holds up when people start tearing this thing down. I mean, I'll be honest.

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I'm just buying it for the tandem MOLED displays.

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And Scooter PERSON mentioned something that I also mentioned in my person. I was yelling at somebody with the hot takes. They're like, well, I came up. I was like, you know that we were running this stuff on iOS and iPad PRODUCT devices before it made it to the max like in October 2020, right? And, you know, of course, dead silence after that. But yeah, we got to the max like in October 2020, right? And, you know, of course,dead silence after that. But yeah, we got to where we are in the computers because of iPads PRODUCT.

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All right. So here's some numbers from Anandtech. The A17 is 35 tops, 35 trillion operations per second. The M3 is actually considerably slower, 18 trillion operations per second. So when Apple says 38 trillion operations per second, that is a big jump from M2 and M3 PRODUCT. And so maybe this really is Apple ORG's AI chip. That's, you know, all in the neural engine.

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Also, it's going to have to be.

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If it's, we, especially where AI is concerned, we're not talking about features that are going

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to see the light of day even this year. I mean, okay, we don't know what Apple ORG's going to be

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announcing in June. So we don't know what we're going to be seeing in the new iPad OS. But, yeah, if people are going to be starting, it's going to be expected to get three, five, six years out of this device, they're going to have to be able to run those AI models that Apple is planning for three years from now. So this, this could see headroom that it's going to be expected to get three, five, six years out of this device, they're going to have to be able to run those AI models that Apple is planning for three years from now. So this, this could see headroom that is quickly going to be consumed because ambition requires

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headroom. Can I do pedantic pushback? Pedantic pushback, please. Apple ORG has been running AI on phones for quite a long time. All of that stuff that's happening to your pictures and all of that. That's still considered AI. People mean Gen AI or LLMs. And we're going to specify, we should specify. Because honestly, they've been doing AI-oriented stuff on these chips for quite a long time.

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Yeah, but LLMs and stuff that Apple's pursuing and Google ORG's pursuing and Microsoft pursuing, it has a lot more like RAM overhead.

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You really, it really, especially. And again, Apple ORG, it looks like Apple ORG is going to be pushing their advantage that, hey, we're trying, we're going to be a privacy oriented approach to AI. We're going to do as much on device as possible. There was, there was a new rumor today or yesterday that they're designing chips for for compute plants but there looks like they're trying to keep this as personal as private as possible. If so, machine language models are not, machine learning models are going to be okay for photos. They're not going to be okayfor. Here's a thousand emails. Tell me, give me a record of all the appointments I've got related to this project the next three weeks. all the appointments I've got related to this project the next three weeks.

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Out of sync is telling us in the in the Discord that the Intel Ultra Chips are 11 trillion operations per second.

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So this is a big job.

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Sorry,

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is that when you take a photo and it fixes the photo, you take a photo on the dark and it fixes

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the photo, that is, that's AI.

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I mean, it's a little bit of neural engine and machine learning,

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but because somebody in the chat goes, what assistance do they have? AI doesn't mean assistant.

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AI is, that's what I'm saying. We should specify if we mean agents or LLMs or, you know,

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what everybody considers chat, GPT. And I just want to remind everybody that your iPhone PRODUCT's been

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fixing those photos since I think like 10. Oh, yeah. Maybe 11.

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Yeah. Apple's been doing AI, but, but, um like 10. Oh, yeah. Maybe 11. Yeah.

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Apple ORG's been doing AI, but you can down do more.

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Did you see what they showed with the final cut?

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In a moving movie, they were able to drop the background out in real time.

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So beautiful.

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Yeah.

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I hope that's real.

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You're right.

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It is over the fact that Apple hasn't done anything flashing in the last two years with this, again, with a technology that was kind of premature and that Google ORG really left the, took the, took, put the saddle on and wrote it hard only after they saw a competition for an open AI.

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This is really premature technology. It shouldn't really be used as consumer level product just yet. But realized that the AI or the machine learning that's being used in photo processing is tuned for photo processing. And they can't really, they can't just, the CPU that they made, the Apple ORG Silicon they made to handle those kind of tasks are not necessarily going to be okay for the stuff that people might be expecting as the table stakes features in any desktop or mobileoperating system going forward.

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Early on in the presentation today, Tim Cook PERSON did say we have been doing machine learning in our chips for a long time. Like you wanted to make sure that everyone understood. And it's really true. I've said it many times that Apple's put neural processing units in its chips for several years, right?I can't remember which the first iPhone PRODUCT chip was to have it, but it's been around for a long time. So they, in that respect, they have a lead in AI. They've been doing AI hardware for a long time. Intel ORG is just putting what they call NPUs into their processors. Qualcomm's new Snapdragon PRODUCT elites are going to have NPUs. And Microsoft ORG's all excited about this NPU.But Apple ORG's been doing it for a long time. They're kind of well settled in on this. I think that there are the others.

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Go ahead, Micah PERSON. I was just going to say, well, it is true. Yes, absolutely. And Apple ORG likes to make it very clear that they've been doing AI that they lovingly have called machine learning for so long. And that's why they've got CoreML PRODUCT baked into the various operating systems.But I hear that refrain a lot from people who are champions of Apple ORG. And while it is true they've been doing machine learning for a long time, I don't think it matters in the scheme of things in the sense that what people are talking about when it comes to what they are expecting Apple ORG to do, which is a heavy focus on generative AI.

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And the other companies are much further ahead in at the the very least, having products and features available to market that are generative AI features.

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So we can say that Apple ORG has been doing this forever. But in the grand scheme of things, that just doesn't matter because until we see this generative AI, we haven't seen them do generative AI.

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Like, that's got to happen. But the general people don's got to happen. It's not going to specify, but the general people don't know to specify,

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and so it sounds disingenuous, but yes, well, you understand. That's why, like, we talk about, we should talk about features and not core technologies. Like, just the simple, even if we limit things to photo editing, just the simple ability to recognize an object in a flat field of pixels, that is an immense power lever.That is the ability to simply say, I just want these changes to affect this person holding the baseball bat in the foreground and not any of the other people who are in baseball uniforms in the background. And then I can adjust the sliders wherever I want.That is huge. And it's the, I often judge the impact of a feature by people who ask me, hey, how is your phone doing that? And sometimes it'll happen on an iPhone PRODUCT. Sometimes it'll happen on my pixel phone. And one of the most revolutionary features to succeed there was just the ability on the first generation of pixels.I could say, oh, by the way, I really wish that that dog weren't taking a leak against that tree in the background, that photo of my kid at the park. Oh, well, that's okay. Just circle it and just simply click erase.And suddenly that dog ain't there no more. And not just simply blurring it out and identifying the outline of this shape, but also real guys that, okay, there's grass behind them. There's a tree in front of them. That's how you fill that sort of thing out.So, yeah, people aren't interested in knowing what kind of neural engine it has, what the performance is, what models is running. They do care when all of a sudden, like, in the in the WhatsApp chat for the family, all of your pictures look awesome, like 10 minutes after the cookout.

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And everybody else's pictures are like, bleh.

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You know, we should also mention that the other event, that's the revenge of the green bubble right there.

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The other shoe is still to drop because we haven't heard anything

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about iPad OS 18. And all of that's going to be next month, a month from now at WWDC EVENT, iOS 18 and iPadOS 18 PRODUCT. And all the rumors are that these are going to be heavily AI focused. What I would say is, you know, you're absolutely right, Andy PERSON. People look at the features. People look at what you can do. I still think, though, that we are right on the cusp of these little chat AI bots, these LLM things, which are pretty much toys at this point. We're on the cusp of truly intelligent assistance. And I think Apple ORG would, I think Apple knows that. They've certainly got the research team working on it, but they haven't said anything about it. I think they want to be there when that happens. I don't know if they want to be there with Siri or something else.Google ORG's Gemini just replaced for me, and I bet for you too, Andy, on your pixel, the Google assistant. It's now using Gemini PRODUCT, if you want, you don't have to. And that's a big step up. And I think we're, I really think we're just, I don't, months, maybe a year away from true AI assistance.

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And I think that's when I, every time I buy an iPad PRODUCT, I'm buying it for the future.

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I'm so far completely disappointed.

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But I always buy into the idea.

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The future is very disappointing.

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Yeah, it is, isn't it?

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Here we are.

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But I always buy into the Apple ORG's proposal that we are making state-of-the-art hardware

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for shooting the puck where it's going.

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You know, we're trying to get ahead of the game.

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Yeah. They've yet to come up. I mean, maybe this new final cut and logic will start to make that a reality. It's not entirely their fault because developers have to follow suit. Procreate. I noticed they really pushed Procreate through this whole thing, starting with the invitation.I imagine they're doing something interesting with a new pencil. But developers have to come up with this. Maybe they have to make some changes to iPad OS that make it more like a desktop operating system. A file system would be nice. Accessible file system.

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Well, yeah. I mean, this could, this is the best cycle for any new technology, the hype cycle. Right. Because we can basically be hopeful because it's going to take a while for actual results to come in. But this could be as bigger revolution as the graphical user interface. That before everything you did was typed on a command line, you had a no command.You couldn't just see what you wanted to do and click on it. And that totally changed everything. And I hope that part of the upcoming revolution is kind of like the diminishing of the dominance of apps just as a construct. The ability to having the ability of an assistant that's so intelligent that you can do things like, like every time that I usually spend the morning before each show, going through all the bookmarks of news items that I've bookmarked and things I've taken notes onand things that I've jotted down here and there. And I have to, I look through all these sort of stuff and I figure out what do I want to like contribute to the show doc, what it's going to be, what turned out to be kind of nothing. And that takes me the amount of time, but the, and I across three or four different apps, imagine the ability to simply wake up, check to make sure I did not sleep until like 1.30 the afternoon, a half hour before the show.Make sure there's no construction noise that's driving me to a public library instead of my office. And then simply say,

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summarize all of my notes and all my Mac and Apple ORG related news and put it inside a Google

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doc so I can take a look at it in the next 20 minutes. And again, not necessarily doing it

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all on its own, but knowing what apps are going to manage that, knowing what databases, all that

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stuff is in on stuff in there so that I never actually actually have to float through all those apps I used to create that content. And it can do that for me. And Andy PERSON, what device do you think it's most likely

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to do that on? Probably a mobile device, probably a phone device. I mean, the AI assistant hardware pins and little cute little rabbit devices, though they're abject failures right now. I don't think they're necessary because I think that's something that could be handled by a phone. But the idea of having a very, very personal item that is not just like this floating thing that I have to have my laptop in front of me or connect to the cloud, that this is something that is on my, on my person at all times.It's the first thing I pick up and take a look at. It's the thing that wakes me up in the morning. It seems like it's the most appropriate device to run a model like that on, even if it's connecting to the cloud. Because as much as I don't like the idea of personifying a technology, I think that when you have an industrial robot that everyone's trying to make right now,the Boston robotics got kind of in Dutch because they had the new version of their Atlas PRODUCT robot. And the face, quote, quote, is just like a circle. And I'm saying, yes, do not put a human face on this. Do not let us form an emotional attachment to these things. But the ability to simply say, this is something that is part of my daily carry, it's something that's familiar with me. I've customized it with my own case, have my own wallpaper on it.And I can infuse a certain amount of trust in it that when I ask it to do something for me, it knows what I want. It knows my habits. It knows what the intent of this command is, not just the function. It seems like a very, very appropriate place for that to happen. And maybe it'll set it to the iPad PRODUCT for reading, you know? Maybe it won't.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Maybe that's, you're right.

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It should be mobile.

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Continuity is one of the best technologies Apple ORG has ever come up with.

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It was, and back when we thought that, oh, wow, oh, wow, isn't that nice?

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I can be, I can continue reading a safari or a safari page on my, on my desktop.

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But no, the ability that this is one,

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you have one big sticky ball of rice that consists of all of your Apple ORG stuff.

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Right now,

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I've got, I mean, the idea of having a two screen set up for this podcast, like five years ago would have been just such overkill and so ridiculous. But as I, again, realized that I found out that I wasn't going to be able touse my home office 45 minutes before the show. And so I just grabbed where I needed put in my bag. But the fact that I grabbed my iPad Pro means that I can simply use that as a second screen. That is extra value. So yeah, that is something that Apple ORG could contribute by distributing the AI load across multiple different devices. And it's one of the reasons why I'm very, very pleased with my, as much as I can rail against Apple's lock-in on so many of these topics that we talk about, that's one of the big paybacks.You're making a good transaction there. I'm giving up control over my hardware. However, it's doing stuff that only one unified manufacturer and an operating system creator can actually create. So, yeah, maybe Apple is in a position where they could do things with AI through continuity that Google really can't match, that Microsoft ORG really can't match.

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German obviously knew something because in his Sunday Power on newsletter, his headline was Apple's new iPad Pro PRODUCT should turn device into true laptop replacement. And I think he kind of nailed the message of this morning's announcement. We're going to take a little break when we come back. Let's talk about Apple's Pro Pencil PRODUCT and the new features thereon. You're watching Mac Break Weekly with three great people. Jason Snell is missing in action, probably in Cooper Tino PRODUCT.I'm thinking. Alex Lindsay PERSON, we don't know where he is, probably in Cooperino. I'm thinking. Alex Lindsay, we don't know where he is, but good news. Doc Rock sitting in. Great to have you in the Jason Snell seat and in the Alex Lindsay seat, Micah Sargent PERSON, who was up early with me covering this event. Pencil next, but first a word from our sponsor. Actually, Micah PERSON knows a little bit about this sponsor. The Ufi Video Smart Lock E330. He installed such a device himself.I had no idea you were so handy, Micah PERSON, into our engineering room. All it took was a Phillips screwdriver. The thing about this, I love, it is a smart lock for your door, but it also is a camera for your door. So you kind of get the best of both worlds. Install it with a Phillips screwdriver. He's doing it right there. No drilling required. It has fingerprint recognition. So that's probably the primary way you'll use it. You walk up,put your finger on the sensor, and in 0.3 seconds, it'll unlock the door. It takes about a second to turn that knob. The embedded AI self-learning chip, they say, becomes more accurate with every use. That's pretty cool. You saw that's the replaceable 10,000 millie-hour rechargeable battery. That should give you about four months. Because it's removable, you could easily swap it in. You'll get a load battery notification before it runs out too,so you don't have to worry about that. Watch, there's a fingerprint. That's so cool. And it turns the knob and unlocks the door. It's a deadbolt, and it's great. But look at this. I love it.It also supports a key. So if everything, you know, all the power goes out or whatever, it's not a step backwards. You still can open the door with your key. You can also control your front door remotely with the Ufi PRODUCT Video Lock app. Look, Burke PERSON's trying to get in.All Mike has to do is open the app on his phone, unlock the door for Burke PERSON. He can see him, he can talk to him. It's got 2K clear sight, two-way audio, enhanced night vision. You can also, of course, give people temporary pass keys and things like that. This is a really nice job. Now, I've saved the best for last.I buried the lead because there are no monthly fees on the Ufi PRODUCT video lock. And your video recordings are stored locally so you don't have to pay for storage. It's private. It's secure and no subscription.Enjoy a worry-free experience with an 18-month warranty, all backed by Ufi's 24-7 professional customer service team. This is the lock you've been looking for. You can get it today. Just search for Ufi PRODUCT Video Lock on Amazon, EUFY, Ufi, Ufi video lock, or visit ufi.com, EUFY.com.But you can get it right from Amazon ORG there, and it's very easy. It's easy. Ufi video lock on Amazon, EUFY.com. But you can get it right from Amazon there, and it's very easy. It's easy. Ufi video lock on Amazon or EUFY.com for more. Mike is our Ufi PRODUCT expert now. And now Burke PERSON can't get into the engineering room, which is a win all round. No.I'm just kidding. All right.

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So pencil time.

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Before we go into the pencil, we didn't talk about the thinness of the iPad PRODUCT problem. Oh, yeah, the thinnest iPad PRODUCT. In fact, Apple ORG said the thinnest device we've ever made, period.

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So it's thinner and lighter than the air.

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That's confusing, yes. That's confusing. But, okay, that's something you may have a chortle about, but then move on about. It's like, I'm, I hope that I have, I'm looking forward to holding it and seeing if it feels thinner and it feels lighter. I think it's, I think it's like a quarter pound lighter.

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1.2 pounds for the 13 inch, 5 millimeters thick, which is pretty thin.

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That's, that's suspiciously thin.

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That's like, I mean, I would love, I would love it if they did say during the, during the event that, hey, it's just as durable as the previous generation.

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Yeah, but that's, that's the thing.

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It's like, I'm just, I've had my pro for what, two or three years now. I'm just now sort of okay with the idea of having it in an overstuffed laptop bag and not being concerned that's going to bend because I've got like a whole bunch of books and bunch of other stuff in it. You make that that even thinner. And I have to admit that I would be, I'm going to wait. If I were considering upgrading, I'd be waiting three or four months to find out, are these things going wibly wobblyafter like a month in people's in people's bags? Because there's, it doesn't matter if it only bent a little bit and it doesn't affect performance. The first time you put that on a table and it goes, dig it digger, the first time you put it down and you see a tiny little curve.And it's like a, it's like when you buy a record, it's either flat or it's not flat and if it's not flat you're unhappy yeah you call

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it thin gate doc rock yeah i was like i'm just waiting for somebody to come out they are people

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always gating something so now we're going to be on it oh it's fun doc a YouTuber will bend it we know

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that don't do this. That's silly.

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So that's how you know.

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All I did was sit on it.

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I can't believe a $500 dollar tablet you can't sit on.

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What's Apple ORG playing at?

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Well, here's the thing that's crazy, Andy PERSON.

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The 13 inch is thinner than the 11 inch.

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And I'm like, Mama PERSON say, what?

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That's crazy.

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Well, it's got more space.

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You could spread the zone.

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It's out.

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This is, honestly, this is Apple capitalizing in the fact that the M4 PRODUCT, like all the

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Apple ORG Silicon is a system on a chip.

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Everything's in there.

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And so it can be, it's a, I'm sure the dye isn't very thick.

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You've got the memory in there. You've got everything in there.

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And well, everything except for a headphone jack. Yeah. This is this is still i will i will simply note it and move on but now now with the discontinuation of the previous ipad nothing this it's not only not only did apple PERSON get rid of all lightning jacks not only did they get rid of all like home buttons but now there are no more iPads PRODUCT that have headphone jacks i think that's, that's disappointing because it's still a super, super useful thing to have. But at least now they can say that,well, look, it's not, there is, it's not thin, it's not thick enough to support a headphone check. So maybe I'll give them a mulligan on that.But yeah, it's, it's, again, I can't wait to get my hands on it. If it does,the thing is like, um, I, the obvious take would be, especially on a 13 inch tablet that you're probably not going to be spending a a whole lot of time like lifting it, like holding it in two hands as opposed to resting it on something. But some people do.And even if you're standing up and taking notes with it, or even if you've got the bottom of it leaned against the table and you're taking notes on it, there's something about the hand feel of a device that is it's such a big contributor to the pleasure that you take in using it. And I've never noticed that my iPad Pro PRODUCT is particularly chunky, but if it's thin enough to make me notice that, wow, this is a more pleasant experience or to sort of telegraph that, wow, this really is a premium product. They could have, they, the cheaper version of this, or God forbid, an Android tablet from Samsung ORG is much thicker and much, it's easy to manipulate, but it doesn't feel like a premium object. That's part of the entire SOM total.It makes something into a pro. The idea that from top to bottom soup to nuts, this is a premium product.

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It does make you wonder what the air, what air means if it's heavier and thicker. Exactly. Yeah.

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It's thicker and heavier what are they talking about yeah it just means fresh air fresh air breathe in and of course

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everybody's are losing it over the colors of the air and again like you know they're trying

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not in a good way by the way they don't like the colors of the year.

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Nobody likes the colors.

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Yeah.

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But trust me, I'm also just make these decisions.

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There was some thought into it.

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And at the end of the day, I know that my pro has been in the skin since the day I got it.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, it just is 40.

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What don't people like about the colors?

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You're too washed out.

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Is that it?

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Yeah, Nicole PERSON, that color purple is just kind of...

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Well, it's purple on the screen, but the actual color is more...

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His royal badness would not approve of that use of that word.

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Yeah.

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Me neither because I was very disappointed with my purple iPhone

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because it was cool for like a second and then it was.

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Don't these look exactly like the previous models of the iPad Pro PRODUCT?

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I mean, I think they basically use it.

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It's breath of lavender.

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Breath of lavender.

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That sounds like when I'm packing for like a 10-day destination wedding on my mood board.

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Like, okay, Tuesday, our theme is breath of lavender so it's pretty though I don't need the cool people want more you don't want saturated I think that would

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be no some people do much it's the air it's the concern have you seen the IMAX they're

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rich in color they're beautiful I and I agree with you, but again, this is a $29 solve, bro.

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The brand skin, slapping on there or some other brand skin.

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True.

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They're gorgeous.

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Yeah, put a D brand on it.

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Yeah.

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Another ad for something that we don't get any money for.

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I feel like all of us take people have it, though, just because we're likely to resell our gear.

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I do not have any D brand on mine.

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I have.

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I really use D brand.

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I use a different company, but I mean, all the same.

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Just pick one.

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It's just vinyl.

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My neighbor is a car wrap guy, so I can literally just take it over and be like wrap my iPad PRODUCT.

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Is it hard to wrap on those things?

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No, the type of 3 PRODUCTM it is.

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You just put it on and then you hit it with a little hair dryer.

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Oh, it shrinks on.

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It's a shrinky day DATE.

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Yeah, it shrinks on.

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Oh.

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And so your edges are still, you know, open to the public.

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But it's just enough that I got one scratch on an iPad years ago and I was like never again.

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So I've always just put the thinnest cover on it just because I know I'm probably resell it.

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All right. Well, I better look for skin. And they have like cool looking skins.

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You've seen mine on my iPad or my MacBook PRODUCT. Yeah. Remember it's got a vintage skin on it.

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It's pretty. Yeah. Spiggin. Shoot. Spiggin. No. Oh, I said that role.

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I don't know how you say it. Somebody in the chat. I just think Spigin sounds better than Spiggin PERSON.

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No idea how you say it.

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Fish skin?

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Fish, fish skin?

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Yeah, the three most common ones are fish skin, B-brand, and slick wrap.

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But anyway, they're all just three.

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It's all three.

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It's slick wraps.

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That's who did mine.

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Slick wraps.

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Wow, you're good. See? He knows them all. But there's all three. It's slick wraps. That's who did mine. Slick raps. Wow, you're good.

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See?

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He knows them all.

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And, but there's no difference really in the...

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Oh, look.

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These are pretty, though.

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They have all sorts of...

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Yeah, yours looks really cool.

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Check out the retro line.

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You can actually just send them.

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I want to have, you know, picture and his face on the back of it oh yeah that's i found that annoying too but the retro line it's all the way down at the bottom on the right there the retro up one from anniversary there you go to the right retro you almost had it anywayuh the retro love me

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honeycombe oh yeah yeah oh yeah it looks like an old man more than just the iPhone you're for i've got one for my iPad PRODUCT and everything The retro love me. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It looks like an old Mac PRODUCT.

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Yeah. I've got one for my iPad PRODUCT and everything. Oh, nice. And the Apple Pencil PRODUCT, actually, which is kind of fun. You wrapped it all. Wow.

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And what I like about, I don't know if the other companies do this, they probably do, but what I like about slick wraps is if you mess up, you give them a message and let them know and they'll send you another one for free.

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I feel like I would mess it up. Yeah. Do you actually heat it with a hairdryor? Really? That's what you do? No, this one, you don't have to.

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These ones are, they're set up already.

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That's D brands to do that, the shrinking ink?

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No, no, if you wanted to do a car wrap thing because it's just no cut sizes,

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these are CNC ORG cut, so they're perfect.

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Oh, okay.

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I get what you're saying.

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I get what you.

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That looks pretty cool.

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All right.

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Yeah. That's what you have.

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I've been trying to find it, but I can't, I'll never find it.

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But there's a, there's a company that did like a series of like frog design inspired

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wraps for like MacBook, for iPad, for iPhone PRODUCT.

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And I'm, I am old school in the sense that I have such an abiding love for frog design,

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like frog design max.

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And the 2C, the 2C, I have all the sort of stuff that, that adds a certain Jenny say qua to any Apple ORG device.

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Jenny say what?

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All right.

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Let's talk about the freaking pencil.

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Sorry, we got wrapped up in our last conversation.

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I'll tell you the truth.

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It's so confusing that Apple ORG actually had to make a chart to show you all the different.

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There's four of them now.

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And so they made a chart on their website so you can figure out which pencil you want.

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There's the pencil pro. That's the new one. Second generation pencil, USBC pencil and first generation pencil.

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And it's not, and the problem is that this isn't like, oh, well, for extra features, for extra

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performance, you can get it's, no, we have, we have incompatible pencils for each.

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Yeah, you have to get the one is right for the, and you can't, and the thing is when I upgrade to the next iPad PRODUCT, I'm going to have to buy a new pencil to actually use it for a lot of, in a lot of situations.

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Yeah.

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That's, that's a bummer.

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Yeah, it's messy.

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I agree that it's very messy.

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Yeah, it's not just like, these are the features that I'd like to have and I've got an iPad. No, no, no, no, no. You have to check all of that compatibility. It's still unclear whether this new Apple ORG Pencil Pro features an ultra wide bin chip inside. All we know is it does Find My. Because we have and we have that feature for the Apple TV remote, but that find

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my is not using ultra wideband. It is just using Bluetooth signaling. So I would like to know, and maybe I fix it will end up telling us, if there's ultra wideband in the Apple ORG pencil. Although, as Scooter X points out, there is no UWB chip in the new iPads Pro PRODUCT. So that's indicative, I would say.Yeah. It's a little tight in there, even though we did have a pretty good video of the inside of this. So new features are squeeze. You could squeeze it. And they're going to call it squeeze. I guess what else?

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That joins double tap tap which is the feature that's already existed the gesture that's already existed yeah and it's not the best gesture

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so now you have squeeze which senses your squeeze and brings up a new palette depending on the

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software you're using then there's squeeze is better right because when I try to do the double tap I'm reducing the sort of leverage that I have on the pencil when I, you know, double tap it. So I like this. I don't have to take my fingers off of it.

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I've seen people complain about double tap that it's, you know, not working that one.

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Unwieldy.

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Unwieldy.

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That's a good word for.

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Beryl roll, a new gyroscope.

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There's a gyroscope that allows you to rotate the pencil, which is really cool for calligraphy, but also for moving objects around and so forth.

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That's going to be neat, I think.

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Especially with a brush.

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That's going to be.

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Yeah, look at that. Yeah. Yeah. The first thing that popped in my head when he did barrel roll is for practicing my kanji. Like, it's very important.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is calligraphy to an extent. But it's very important that you get your stroke orders in a certain way because it can completely change what a character is. That's right. And so without that barrel roll, it's harder to tell.So this would be super psycho.

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When we did learn Chinese NORP characters, it's the same exact thing. And you use a brush. There's no other way to do it. You use a brush. And the number, the order you do it in it and the way you do it and the stroke and so forth absolutely contributes to the meaning. So yeah.

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That's because kanji is Chinese characters. Right. I know. It's the Japanese NORP version.

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And it's a much poorer vocabulary. Yeah. It's much. I know. I have no idea. Haptic feedback is cool. People were hoping there would be a little buzz in the pencil. When you squeeze or double tap, you'll feel a light pulse confirming the action. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, is it actually going to light up, though?

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I don't think so.

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That's just, that's really not.

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If it lights up dumping in a bucket of stand because that's the light bulb battery, that's

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unhappy.

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Hover is still there. So that's good and's the that's the lipo battery that's unhappy hover is still there so that's

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that's good and the double tap is still there so you have yeah three new features um

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there's another there's another nice little thing where developers can create like custom interactions

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so they can create their own kind of interface with how these things actually interact with so like

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whether the barrel roll will control brush,

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brush angle of attack or whether we'll simply bring up like a tool palette,

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they could simply scroll through. Like that's, I'm really keen to see Apple ORG try to extend the user interfaces into hardware. And this seems like an early way to actually try to do that. They mentioned the procreate is one of the first that's going to actually take advantage of this. I'm always surprised to see, I support on Patreon ORG a lot of artists.That's one of my favorite groups to support on Patreon ORG. And oftentimes they will share all of their iPad PRODUCT pro like tips with each other. And the number of times that you see these artists who have amazing experience with like traditional art tools and there's a solution for a lot of different things on the iPad are to just keep doing it and erasing it and doing it and erasing it until you get the line you like or the gesture you like, the ability to have this level of control, even if they have to learnlike new techniques and learn new ways of manipulating the pencil, that's a huge, huge step forward. It's not, it's different. I mean, a Samsung, a Samsung Ultra PRODUCT has a stylist. It's not an Apple ORG pencil. Apple ORG with creating a new Apple pencil this way, and the ways that artists can actually use it as an artist tool is a good way to justifythat extra expense. Apple, we can I can also say, I'm belatedly, I'm, I'm here on the East Coast LOC. You guys are on the West Coast LOC and farther away from that. I am so disappointed myself that I did not come up with an East Coast, West Coast LOC rap joke when we were talking about raps. I apologize for people who were thinking about that and expecting that and pounding thetable, hoping for that to happen. I will try to do better.

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Next time. If you're out there, let us know you're out there table, hoping for that to happen. I will try to do better. Next time.

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If you're out there, let us know you're out there, people who wanted that to happen.

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I would have loved you.

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We're all about service here.

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You know, I forgot we have Apple ORG results to talk about, too.

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Actually, there's some actual Apple ORG news.

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One of the reasons I mentioned that is because

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the Apple results for iPad were particularly bad last quarter, 17% drop in sales, missing analysts'

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estimate. Maybe that's because we all kind of sense there'll be new iPads PRODUCT coming or

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I don't know. It's been three years. Yeah, exactly. I think that's, it was pent up, pent up expectations.

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I don't think anybody who's buying an iPad PRODUCT is necessarily buying them without knowledge it was coming up in the future,

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or they're bulk buying them for, for schools.

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So I'm not too concerned about that.

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Numbers were, I'll probably get into this like more in depth next week when Jason ORG has, comes by and can talk about his chart and graph orama. But results were not that great across the board. The most interesting thing was, are we not talking about the iPad PRODUCT or should we like save this for later?

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Save it. We have one more break. We'll do the, all the other Apple ORG news in the next segment. How about that? I do want to make sure we got everything in from the event. We talked about the iPad pros is an 11 and a 13.We talked about the errors kind of peripherally. I think a big deal that the 10th generation iPad PRODUCT, nothing is now 349. That's now the base model. And that's the one where the people who only 128 gigs QUANTITY of storage or less and eight gigs of RAM or less are going to buy it. That's for the restaurants. It's more,

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it's more of a consumption and a game and device than a creation app. Oh, yeah, and a kiosk device.

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Yeah, that's a good point. It's a kiosk device. Yeah.

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I always went on Christmas and I have to say after a while when I was setting it up,

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I was a little bit jealous of the size and how light it was and it just felt very nimble.

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So I still think it's a handy device.

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And I kind of was strangely enough thinking about going to get a mini PRODUCT, but I'll wait and see what happens.

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Which happened the last time the mini PRODUCT came out.

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I was like, wait and see what happens.

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Wait and see.

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Yeah. German's saying the new mini PRODUCT will be substantially improved. So it might be worth waiting to see what happens. Wait and see. Yeah. German's saying the new mini will be substantially improved.

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So it might be worth waiting to see what happens.

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Although on top of everything else, so probably be anticipation of these price drops, Best Buy and others have dropped the price of the ninth generation iPad, nothing, to $249.

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Oh, wow.

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That's not as cheap as a fire tablet, but that's getting dangerously close to, oh, sure, why not buy one for your kids, even though they're probably going to leave it on a bus or drop it?

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Yeah, 249.

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That's fantastic.

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Well, that's also where you can take one and like put it in a room where you use it.

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Okay, first is I always carry my pro into the kitchen.

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It's a little big for the kitchen, but I carry the kitchen because often either watching something or recipe or whatever.

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At that level, that's in price. Appliance price, I can just buy one for the kitchen and leave it there and mounted properly, protected properly. There's your TV.

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Yeah. We had, when we stayed at the Bellagio for the Formula One race in November, they had

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iPads PRODUCT in the room and that was terrible. It was terrible. And it was terrible. It was terrible.

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You don't, look, don't put, you know, you had to open the iPad PRODUCT, it's open the windows.

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It was, just don't put that.

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Oh, it was the whole.

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Everything was there, you know, it was all there.

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And it was good for them.

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And you couldn't just control any of it manually.

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No.

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That's annoying.

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You had to actually pay a 99 cent fee to open the windows, which is, you know, not ideal.

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I just, you know, and the other thing is it's, it's, iPad isn't really designed to be in a bed chamber at night.

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It doesn't, unlike the phone, which has that nice sleep mode, the iPad PRODUCT just sits there and, you know, so I, I put it under something and forgot about it.

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New versions of, mothered it with a pillow.

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I did.

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I smothered it.

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Yep.

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New versions of Final Cut Pro PRODUCT and Logic Pro designed, it looks like, for these iPads PRODUCT. One of the new features in Final Cut Pro 2 PRODUCT for iPad includes live multi-cam editing. Now, John Ashley PERSON, didn't we have live multi-cam editing in the Big Boy PRODUCT version on the desktop?When we had? I mean, you don't use Final Cut PRODUCT, I guess. Well, yes, there's always been multi-cam editing in the big boy version on the desktop? When we had? I mean, I don't, you don't use Final Cut, I guess.

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Well, yes, there's always been multi-cam.

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There's always been multi-cam.

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It's always been multi-cam and Final Cut for, uh, since 10.

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So this is new to the iPad PRODUCT.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Uh, but what's cool is you can use iPhones PRODUCT up to four different iPhones to record different

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angles of a scene at the same time. And then the footage is streamed in the iPad running Final Cut PRODUCT. That's kind of cool. The iPhone PRODUCT has a decent camera. It'd be really cool to do a multi-cam shoot with four iPhones PRODUCT.

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In fact, after the event, it was made clear that not only was today's entire event shot on iPhone PRODUCT,

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it was also edited on the Mac and on iPad PRODUCT. Oh, interesting.

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There were some people who were hoping it would be shot on Vision Pro

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for an immersive experience.

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It didn't happen. Right?

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There's also a Final Cut PRODUCT desktop release. It might not have hit the Apple Store yet or the update store, app store, English LANGUAGE, but it's coming. So Final Cut 10.8 was also announced today. So everybody who uses Final Cut PRODUCT, please back your stuff up before you do the update.

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Are you a Final Cut user, Doc PERSON?

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Yeah.

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I'm actually a certified Final Cut instructor. Oh, nice. Which is why Andy and I speak at the thing at NAB ORG. Oh, all right.

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Multicam feature enabled via a new Final Cut PRODUCT camera app standalone, which supports white balance and manual focus controls auto metering, ISO and shutter speed adjustments. Final Cut PRODUCT camera is on the app store free.

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These will both be coming the update to the Mac PRODUCT, the update to Final Cut Pro for iPad 2 PRODUCT. And again, that is the second version of the app called Final Cut Pro for iPad, not an app for iPad 2 PRODUCT. We'll be coming, according to Apple, later this spring. For some reason, Logic PRODUCT gets a specific date, which says that, which we'll talk about in a moment, but that one's coming on May 13th.

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I wish I knew more about how pros would take advantage of multicam. Like, are they going to, are they pleased to have multi-cam on the iPad but are disappointed that, well, I can only use iPhones PRODUCT to do so. Why don't you give, why don't you open up the OS a little bit that I can basically use any compliant camera with it? I don't know. I don't know if that's a deal breaker for them.

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You can definitely use any compliant camera through a little bit of cheating because you're just going to NDI it to the iPhone PRODUCT and then this thing will see the iPhone. So in theory, you should be

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able to do that. Okay. So you're not stuck using iPhones PRODUCT for multi-cam. Yeah. I mean, it's just NDI is NDI, so it should work.

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But I think what they'll do, and it's the easiest to test what you can control, right?

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So they know exactly what an iPhone PRODUCT is.

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The delta of all the things that when it becomes a black magic or Sony or a Canon or Fuji or Panasonic ORG, now it's out of their hands.

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And now they've got to depend on other people.

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If they start here, they can have it work. And then after they have it work, they give like, okay, now Sony ORG, show me what you got. Fuji ORG, show me what you got. And then they can slowly work it in. So I think it's a good jumping off point, mostly for the control mechanism.

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So they, so, okay, so now we've got to clarify. You've always had multicam in Final Cut PRODUCT, but it was after the fact, right? You would shoot ISOs and then you put it all in there and then you could switch as you're...

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Oh, right. I'm sorry. That's what I met. And now the new thing is it's live, which means in effect it's like a tricaster or e-cam or something.

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You're switching in Final Cut PRODUCT, right? Well, nothing's like e-cam. I'm joking.

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I'm joking. Yes.

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No, I mean, but I think that that's interesting.

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They're turning the iPad PRODUCT into a switcher in effect.

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Yes.

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Super interesting. And again, I can't wait to test it out. I have 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro Max, 15 Pro Max PRODUCT. So soon as the iPad PRODUCT code, we'll find out.

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You're said.

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See, that's really, I think.

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Go ahead.

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I was just going to say when you were saying sort of who this was for, I think... Go ahead. I was just going to say, when you were saying

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sort of who this was for,

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I think this feature certainly encourages people to,

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instead of selling back their

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old iPhones PRODUCT or trading them in,

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they end up keeping them because now they've got

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suddenly a multicam setup.

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Yeah, that's why I have never traded my phones in until the third year cycle. Now, for the simple reason that they made great extra cameras. Because like Leo said at the very top of this segment, the iPhone PRODUCT is a pretty decent camera. So I've always kept the last two models because the cameras are pretty.

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So, okay. And could you can you now do in the new final cut for Mac PRODUCT? Can you do this as well? Or is this just in the iPad PRODUCT, this live multi-camera?

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It's going to work with both when the update comes out.

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So, yeah.

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And again, we've always had multicam, but again,

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live multi-cam is a whole different.

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Basically, you're running a switcher.

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So now I'm curious, I mean, I wonder, can you let the iPhone PRODUCT run for a long time as a camera? I guess you can. I do that with e-cam.

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Oh, 100%.

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In fact, when I was in my mom's house, I did the entire show using e-cam and an iPhone PRODUCT. So, okay, so that's good. That's really interesting. I presume they're using continuity camera. Apple ORG's using continuity camera.Do you know, Mr. E-Cam guy, if e-cam supports this as well? I must because it's a virtual camera. Do you know Mr. E-Cam guy if e-cam supports this as well? I must because it's a virtual camera. So, fine look, I must see it as a camera.

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Yeah, I mean, we automatically support anything that the OS can support. So in theory, this is just going to work. And we already do this now. We already allow you to do camera switches with iPhones PRODUCT. Right. And so it's, it's it's you know they're just addingthis to directly to the editor which is weird bring some well bring some cool things like when it comes to adjusting your picture or having some you know sort of custom cameras or cameras in weird places like there's a lot of stuff you're going to be able to do with this so yeah i'm looking forward to this i love the fact that it even said external projector support because imagine in a church service or a wedding or something and you got people running around with the phone giving you different live angles.

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Oh, cool. Everybody not being able to see, you can just look at the projector. Oh, it's going to be

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cool. All the bridesmaids are camera operators.

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Yeah. I mean, if I had this like during my sets,

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I would have got like a couple of my boys to run around with the iPhone PRODUCT while I'm in the booth

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and I'm doing my thing.

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And they got one person in the, say, the dance floor looking back at me and then two people on the side, like a handside watching me switch the tables. I think it would have been a cool little setup.

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So.

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It's very interesting. Huh.

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And they match pretty well. So if you have last years in the year before, as in the year before, that's okay. They all kind of match up pretty well.

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Matching up is relatively easy anyway, as long as you use a white belt as car.

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They have a shader. Yeah, they have shaders built in too. Yeah.

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That's totally why.

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Logic Pro 2 PRODUCT has added a new feature called,

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they call it stem splitter that splits the audio into separate tracks for different instruments.

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So you could take, it is unmix a song and then remix it. Yeah?

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Yes.

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That's very interesting.

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We'll have to see how well that works.

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There's a lot of apps in the DJ world that do this already.

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Oh, okay. Our buddy Michael Simon's over at Algorithm ORG for an algorithm DJ, just DJA. Why, like they've had this for about a year and a half now. Oh, okay. And it works pretty good. So I'm super interested to see what I was doing it doing with it now that they have like more direct access to a processor as opposed to just software.It feels like they can do stuff with the media engine and make it even cooler. So I'm super interested in this.

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They're claiming it's using AI. I would make mashups a lot easier, right? Segway from one thing to another, take the vocals from one song and put it in another song and things like that. It'd be very interesting. That's to me the most exciting thing when I see the new hardware is what kind of new creativityit might unleash.

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I'll give you one that most people wouldn't think of, but could save your bacon. So I was doing some filming outside and they were playing music in the background. And it was the one chance I had an opportunity to get this particular interview. And then after they get home, I'm listening to it. I'm like, I can't put this on YouTube. It's immediately going to get flagged.

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Yeah. And then my brain said, hey, dummy, throw this at the DJ app and say, isolate the vocal. And so what does it do? 86, the background music that would have ruined my YouTube status. And it just had my voice and the other person talking.

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Are you hearing this?

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This is great. So you can save yourself if you're ever in a situation where you need to record a video and a video happens to have like Led Zeppelin PERSON playing in the back and you don't want to get in trouble for that to strip it up and keep the vocal.

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That is cool. That is cool. There's a new feature called Session Players that offers an AI-driven backing band. Okay, let's not do that.

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Virtual drummer space players. Andy and the Anacos PERSON.

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Andy and the Anacos PERSON.

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They are both free upgrades to the existing Apple ORG consistently.

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Makes Logic and Final Cut PRODUCT an amazing deal. Buy once. Get eternal upgrades. Oh, wait a minute. Yes., get eternal upgrades. Oh,

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wait a minute. Yes. Monthly subscription model. I missed that part. That's for iPad Pro PRODUCT.

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So for as long as Logic Pro for iPad PRODUCT and Final Cut Pro for iPad have existed, they have always required a subscription. It's only the desktop.

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MacOS versions.

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Aww.

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Oh.

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Logic Pro May 13th,

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as you mentioned

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later this spring for final cut. Same with the camera app, so don't go rushing over to see it.Anything else? What else? That's a good, Micah PERSON. New iPad Pro lax millimeter wave 5Gand ultra wide camera. Okay, fine.

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Yeah, I'm okay with with it ditching a camera. Folks are saying that's because the ultra ultra wide camera. Okay, fine. Yeah, I'm okay with it ditching a camera. Folks are saying that's because the ultra wide camera needed to stick out a little further. Yeah. And so ditching that.

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It won't be 5.1 millimeters with that. Exactly.

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Cool with it.

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All right.

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Let's take anything you can clip something directly to it.

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Like there's so many clip ones that you can add to get that stuff later

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because you don't use that camera all the time.

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Exactly.

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So why not just get something that can magnet to it or clip water or stick with nanogrip

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or whatever the heck Mike could call it?

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Nano cling.

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Nanocling.

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There we go.

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Let's take a break.

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When we come back, there is other Apple ORG news.

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But I think can I put a lid on it? Are we got everything from the event?

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Ford took us two hours, but 48 minutes, well edited, well, well, well, well, just kind of explained and annotated.

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And of course, the event is online. You can watch it. I think it was well produced. I wish they'd go back to live events, honestly. I know, I can only say go back to live events, honestly. I know. I can only say that because Alex Lindsay PERSON's not here.But I think that that's something missing. It's a little too promotional. It's a little too canned.

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And to be fair, to be fair, these events are always like marketing promotion,

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but it does feel more like, less like, hey, this is our day in which we will be informing

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everybody, including analysts and the press about stuff and fielding a lot of questions and a lot of speculation

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about what we're doing, why we're doing.

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Now it feels more like, I mean, I don't mean to be dismissive and calling it an infomercial,

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but that's the first time I thought that, yeah, again, like, I had the same reaction.

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What if you had one pan that could let you throw out this walk, this frying pan, this grill top, and do it all for just $29.

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I'm with the scientists who helped make it happen.

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Josh PERSON, how the heck do you make this happen?

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I'm kind of sorry also that you don't. I mean, the live demos and even just the kind of the human humanity of it. Yeah, it feels so much less personal. It just doesn't feel as a personal. I mean, I never get to go anymore, so I don't get to go to the hands-on lab or anything afterwards.But I just, I like the performance aspect of it. And I know it's, nobody can do it like Steve Jobs. But Tim PERSON does a great job. And I think him relating to the audience, it's one of the problems Apple ORG has is that they are so hermetic. And, uh, him going out in public is not a bad thing. Um, yeah. Well, one thing when the audience

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gives feedback to, that actually could help sales, right? If all of the smartest tech people in the room,

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which you know who's sitting there and they have an visceral, like, happy reaction and now it's the thinnest 5.1 millimeter iPad PRODUCT and the crowd goes round.

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Yeah.

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You can always tell.

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Yeah.

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I got to buy that.

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Plus the acknowledgement of the team, you know, when they have.

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And here's the team that worked on this. Thank you for, you know, losing your families and your life for the last six months.

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I think there was something about that. But I know Alex PERSON will say, no, these are information dense and

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they're much better and they control it and blah, blah, blah. In three years at the end of the video,

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it's going to say, generate it on iPad Pro PRODUCT, as opposed to shot and recorded on the phone.

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It's just already feels more synthetic.

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It already, it's made a step in that direction.

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I mean, those transitions, like, that's not real.

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Right, right.

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I think also with the live events, we all sat around and waited for the appearance of Air Force one.

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Yeah, like, always, right?

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Always the moment in time.

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There was no Air Force ORG.

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There was no Air Force ORG in this one.

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It was John Turnus PERSON mostly.

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And then somebody else in the lab.

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He'll be big at WWC FAC. Yeah.

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We'll see them. We'll see them at WWDC EVENT. All right.

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Let's take a little break. We will have more in just a moment with our panel.

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This came out in the DOJ versus Google ORG trial, which is concluded.

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It was $20 billion in 2022.

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Huge amount of money.

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Now, that's a revenue share. So in a way, it also shows you how valuable that real estate is. Yeah, so the amount of money that Google gives Apple ORG.

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What did I say?

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Apple gives Google ORG?

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I apologize. No, no. Wrong direction. That comes into Apple ORG. In fact, that's a big part of their giant services revenue. Yeah, a huge chunk of it.

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And it's nice to get a real number.

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As you said, we have known that this is a deal that takes place,

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but to have that actually spelled out in such clear terms.

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And I think it was something, Leo, that you said during Ask the Tech Guys WORK_OF_ART,

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what is it that Google ORG is afraid of losing by not having that payment in place and giving people the option to choose

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the search engine?

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Yeah.

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Both, I mean, all of these are, that was the 2022 number for the amount of money that Apple ORG paid

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to Google ORG.

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From that, we can also, we can match that up with stuff that Google ORG has already,

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has always already said about percentage of revenues that they're paying back to Apple ORG to indicate that it's worth about 50, a little less than $60 billion a year. And when you compare that to how much money that Google ORG makes on their services in total, that is a double digit percentage. So it's not just Apple ORG, but it's total, that is a double-digit percentage. So it's not just Apple, but it's also Google that is tying so much of its fortunes and services to this one open checkbook. And if the Department of Justice ORG decides to close that checkbook, that's a big deal for both companies.

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It was, in fact, one of the things that powered a successful services quarter for Apple ORG. Apple did not have the best quarter, but this is always their down quarter DATE. This is the quarter after the iPhone PRODUCT, new iPhone comes out. So it's not surprising. But nevertheless, not a great quarter except for services, which did quite well. A record number, according to Tim Cook PERSON in the analyst's ad.Let's see. Here are Jason Snell's six colors. Actually, there's only one for revenue. And you can see how spiky revenue is. It's always that fourth quarter. It's the big quarter, the new iPhone quarter.I wonder, though, if these new iPads PRODUCT will move that needle. iPhone, 51% of over and all revenue. But look at services coming on strong. 26% now. We don't know exactly what chunk of that is Google ORG, but it's a pretty hefty chunk.

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Yeah, again, it would be a double-digit percentage of services. And again, that number's two years old, so could go up, could go down. A lot of stuff remained flat. Wearables is down like 10 to 11% PERCENT, which was kind of surprising to me. I think max are flat. I think their growth rate was down to like 1%.Here I am talking, so I'm an experienced business journalist as opposed to technology journalists, but I have a lot of seeing-eye finance nerds who explain these things to me. And so, yes, so they beat expectations in a okay manner. The stock wound up up about six to seven points, but mostly because they just initiated their largest buyback in history. So $110 billion in stock buybacks, along with an increase, along with an increasein the dividend.

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The dividend, right, 4%.

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So this is, it looks as though the Apple ORG and the board were very, very aware that this was

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not going to be a super great quarter DATE. Also that every other company, like Google ORG also announced a really, really hefty hefty buyback just the week before in their earnings result. This year, I'm becoming very aware that like the stocks is also one of these companies like most important products and that there's competition for that product. And so if other investors in like the in the fan companies and related companies are these companies like most important products and that there's competition for that product.And so if other investors in like the in the fan companies and related companies are making a really, really attractive investment package, Apple ORG has to sort of match that to keep all the money on the table.

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The, as we had mentioned, the revenue for iPads year over year was 17% down.

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It was really a bad.

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That's the worst iPad revenue since 2020. So not a great quarter for iPad PRODUCT, but maybe that'll all turn around now. It's going to be very interesting. And as you see iPhone PRODUCT revenue down as well, year over year revenue changed down 10% for iPhone. This is why China is so important to Tim Cook these days. That's where the growth ishappening. And look at the services revenue. It keeps on growing and growing and growing.

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Yeah. He was, but Tim PERSON was pleased to say, I think, both in his main comments and in the Q&A,

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that, well, the iPhone is still the hottest selling, still one of the six hottest selling phones

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in urban areas in China. it takes four of the six top slots, which sounds like a lot of qualifications, but they're very, very aware that all the analysts are looking at the same numbers that they are. So they're trying to, there was a, I was, I've always, I've really been looking forward to seeing like what kind of, what kind of mentions of AI are going to happen here because this is a good place for them to at least again increase confidence in the future of the company. There wasn't as much as I thought they would be, although maybe I was foolish to think thatI wasn't expecting anything substantive, but Tim Cook PERSON explicitly parried it off saying, well, we'll have a lot more. We are really excited about what we can do in AI. We will have more to say about that next month or soon or whatever. So they didn't want to talk about it. They did get one direct question at the end from one analyst who was asking, well, giventhat you're going to have to be investing so much money in AI, like how much is, how is that going to affect your future budgeting, your future numbers? And the answer came back that they feel as though they're investing quite enough. They did mention that, and again, I think I have the quote in front of me, that just during the last five years, we've spent more than $100 billion in research and development. So I think that's the first time we've gotten like an actual number on how much is spentspecifically on R&D.

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How much of that was the Vision Pro PRODUCT is my question.

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How much of Vision Pro PRODUCT?

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Or wasted on the Apple ORG car, you know, now that's dead.

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But they got to do it.

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They got to do it. It was kind of Jason Snell picked up on an interesting exchange between an analyst from Wells Fargo and Tim Cook PERSON. The analyst asked him to explain Apple's results, which said that iPhone sales were up in China GPE with the independent research groups who said that Apple's sales of the iPhone were falling apart in China. In fact, as you pointed out, Apple said the iPhone's doing well in urban China GPE. Cook PERSON said, I can't address the data points. I can only address what our results are.And, you know, we did accelerate last quarter. An iPhone grew in mainland China GPE. So that's what the results are. I can't bridge to numbers we didn't come up with to which Jason ORG said. That's about as savage a shade throwing as you'll get on an Apple ORG analyst call. I don't know why they're

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on Vano about this. It's not as though Apple just paid a half a billion dollars in penalties to

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settle a shareholder lawsuit on exactly this issue about them misguiding the market on the

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effects of the Chinese market on iPhone PRODUCT sales. Oh, wait, that actually did happen just a couple of years ago.

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Oh, okay.

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So you think that's why it's a little bit. A little bit. I don't know.

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I mean, it's definitely going to be a topic of conversation.

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I would think that if he said that, he knew that that was legally a defensible thing to say.

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So.

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Yeah, exactly. Wouldn't say it if it wasn't something that could be said and held to.

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But yeah, he was feeling that I think Jason ORG was right on the guidance. I was reading the transcript. And it did, it does come across differently than Tim, can you tell me about how the Vision Pro PRODUCT is helping to save lives with enterprise

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and in the operating theater? We're very glad to talk about that. Yeah.

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Apple is mulling a potential partnership with Rivian ORG.

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Now, I don't know what that means. Does it mean that that fancy new car play display will be part of the electric pickup truck? Not sure, but Digitime says Apple ORG's electric vehicle ambitions may not be over. Apple ORG is, according to the story, assessing the possibility of teaming up with a certain U.S. EV startup and Rivian ORG is very likely candidate. I don't know.That's just a rumor or something to watch.

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Yeah, it's a supply chain rumor. So it could be, it could easily be like these companies, they're trying to make themselves look a lot more valuable to investors saying, hey, look, we're in talks with Apple ORG to have a big deal. Although, so I don't know if this is any juice to this whatsoever, but it does sound familiar to like what went on before the release of the iPhone where Apple ORG was not going to get the concessions that they wanted to get from the number one dog in the market. They tried to get it from Verizon. They didn't.However, AT&T ORG, who had some work to do to get new signups, were definitely willing to do what Apple ORG wanted them to do to make the product that Apple wanted made. So that would be interesting to say if Rivian wanted to do a partnership with Apple ORG to elevate its stock, excuse me, it's not just its actual stock, but it's reputation and its desirability, especially now that there's a certain rust stain on the Tesla logo that a lot of people don't want to be involved in. I actually know two Tesla owners that did not, when they bought a new car, they explicitly did not buy a Tesla because they did not want to be seen as someone driving Tesla. So they didn't want to support Elon Musk even indirectly.

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We're seeing bumper stickers around town that says, I bought this on Tesla ORG's. I bought this before and we knew Elon PERSON was crazy. Things like that. By the way, speaking of rumors,

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John Gruber at Daring Fireball does give a pretty big props to Mark Herman's last minute M4 PRODUCT scoop.

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He says it might be the greatest rumor scoop in recent memory.

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He was right. He was right. There was an M4 iPad PRODUCT. Let's see. What other stories have we got to cover here? I'm going to wait until Jason's back next week to talk about this.He did a great article. Actually, it was Dan Morin PERSON, so maybe we don't have to wait. The, I don't know, did you see the, and I can't play it because Apple ORG will take us down.

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I used this.

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I used this recently. The precision finding, yeah. Jason ORG's used it too. It's pretty cool. The idea is you can narrow it down and kind of beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, home in on your friends. And it was a great ad.

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It's a very good ad. A bunch of Boba Fettes PERSON at a, at a cosplay at a Comic-Con EVENT.

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And, of course, it's a little hard to find your Baba Fet in a group like that.

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It was very funny.

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I thought it was great. But what Dan Moran points out is there are a lot of Star Wars WORK_OF_ART references in the ad. The Princess Leia's cell number is seen twice. The 1138 is seen as a pair of apartment building numbers. The Death Star Trash Compact PRODUCT number is a phone number on an ad. And the bus number 3720 are the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field.Never give me the odds.

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I love that. So for folks who don't know about this precision finding, it's basically like air tag, but it is, as Leo PERSON pointed out, with the people that you know.

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So if you and the people that you know who have FindMy are using an iPhone 15 or 15 Pro PRODUCT, then you are able to use precision finding.

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And essentially, it lets you narrow in using ultra wideband to the person that is around you. And it's very handy when you are in a location that has a lot of people in it or a lot of things in the way and you can't quite find who you're looking for. And of course, yes, this was the perfect time to show it because you've got a bunch of people in Boba Fett masks, which group is your group? And being able to narrow in on your group was great.

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We used it at NAB ORG because what we did was when we were split up, we had a group that was sharing location for each day, and it was easy to find because in some cases, there'll be like a giveaway going on in one of the booths, right? And so that booth is just swamped with bodies, and I'm trying to find, you know, one of the people that was with. And I didn't realize that it was on, and then she had hers on. And then I literally saw the, okay, you people that was with. And I had didn't realize that it was on.And then she had hers on. And then I literally saw the, okay, you're 30 feet away or, you know, getting closer, getting closer. And you can hear the beep, beep, beeps. And yeah, it was easy to spot. So, yeah, it does work.It works really well. In a place like NAB where there's a metric thousand tons QUANTITY of signal flying around, very helpful. Really?

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It worked even there.

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That's pretty cool.

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Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. That's pretty cool.

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Okay, I think that's, let's see.

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I think that's everything. Oh, there was one story we didn't mention in the Wall Street

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Journal. Apparently, Apple ORG is considering building AI chips for data centers.

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I think we peripherally mentioned it at the beginning of the show.

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Project ACDC.

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Yeah, Bloomberg's Mark German had a lot to say about this,

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basically kind of saying, nah.

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Really?

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Nah, bra.

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Yeah, it was interesting.

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Nah, bra.

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Well, that's interesting.

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That Aaron Tilly and Yang Jir are the authors in the Wall Street Journal ORG.

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A little battle amongst the rumor mongers. In duper to play.

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And in our Vision Pro segment this week.

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None of you have a, do you have a Vision Pro Doc PRODUCT, Rock? Yes, fully loaded.

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Anything to say about it?

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You're our segment this week.

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I still use it like uh yeah

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there's some things that i'm still you know waiting for you know exactly a sterling endorsement

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i still use it everyone everyone swears that oh people who got it no one's really using it anymore

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or whatever but i use it all the time and yes i use it for uh absorbing my uh content yes but

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primarily what i use it for is i use it to calm the brains down and I'll bust the DJ set out with it.

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I love it.

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It's so much fun.

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And that, you know, it was my calming nature.

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And I did travel with it once, which looks really stupid on the plane, but it was really nice.

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Did you wear it the whole time?

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Almost the whole time.

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I had to stop to eat and do things like that. But I got two batteries, so it was just long enough for L.A. GPE flight.

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And thanks to Micah PERSON. Here is Mark German's PERSON sub-tweet. That's what you call it, right, Mark PERSON? Responding to the Wall Street Journal ORG.

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Yeah, when it's not exactly because there's no link to the thing or it's not a quote tweet. So that is a pretty good sub-tweet.

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He says on Apple ORG and AI servers, Apple, I don't know why, but in case you're interested, Apple started a project around 2018 to develop server chips to offload those used by Google ORG, et cetera. That project was canceled. I don't believe Apple ORG would make its own AI server chips because of cost, lack of a differentiator,and the on-device nature of its LLM PRODUCT. So there.

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The only way that would make sense is if they really wanted to hit the privacy angle really, really hard and be able to say that, hey, look, even when your data leaves your Apple iPhone PRODUCT, it stays on Apple ORG servers running on Apple chips using a model that only we understand. And we actually never, our privacy policy says that we never actually take a look at it. We'll never use it to train any other AI for any other reason. But that the lead to manufacturing your own AI chips are competitive with what everyone elseis going to have and also building out enough, enough compute farms with all the energy that's going to consume. What is that going to do to their green energy promises? Yeah, I have no insight information, obviously, but I'll believe it when I actually see it.

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Ladies and gentlemen, let's pause, the pause that refreshes. And when we come back, may I ask you, Doc Rock, Micah Sargent, and Andy Anakow for your picks of the week. But don't go anywhere, Doc Rock, because our ad today is for eCAM, the leading live streaming and video production studio built for Mac PRODUCT. Now, I think I probably got introduced to ECAM by you, Doc Rock PERSON, or maybe by you, Micah Sargent PERSON,because I know you use it and have used it for a long time. And I kind of thought when I first encountered it, and as I've used it more and more, I wish this had been around when we started Twit 20 years ago. We wouldn't have had to buy all this expensive equipment. We could have just done it with e-cam.Whether you're a beginner or an expert, e-cam is here to elevate your video production. E-CAM PRODUCT live includes support for multiple cameras. Yes, already. They've always had it. And screen sharing. The live camera switchers sound familiar. Also lets you direct your show in real time. You can add logos, titles, lower thirds, graphics, share your screen. Drop in video clips, bring on interview guests, use a green screen. In short, everything you would ever want to do with a live video production. And you could do it all on your Mac PRODUCT. I was really pleased, Doc, when they announced eCAM for Zoom PRODUCT. In fact, I've been kind of saying for some time,I wish E-CAM were available for Zoom PRODUCT, because I'd like all those features of my Zoom PRODUCT calls, my Zoom PRODUCT presentations. They went into public beta testing just a couple of weeks ago. You can automatically send E-CAM Live's audio and video output right into a Zoom PRODUCT meeting or a Zoom webinar or a Zoom event. You can create individual participant audio and video recordings during a live streamer recording. You can add Zoom PRODUCT chatmessages right into the meeting broadcast and recording as text overlays and more. Check it out, eCAM.com slash Zoom. This is huge. Join the thousands of worldwide entrepreneurs, marketing professionals, podcasters, educators, musicians. And yes, us, Micah PERSON and I both use it. And I bet Doc uses it once in all. I think he's even on the lower third right there and other Mac PRODUCT users who rely on eCAM live daily. It's ECA double M get one month free when you subscribe to any of E cam PRODUCT's plans. Visit eCAM.com slashtwit, the promo code twit at checkout. E-C-A-M-E-CAM.com slash twit. I know how I found out about ECAM doc PRODUCT. They did some other software first. Was it a iPhone PRODUCT? Oh, man.

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The first one would be Printopia back in the day.

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Printopia PRODUCT.

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When we used to cruise Macro, you know that wall against the wall. So I would come to the backstage to listen to you and Andy and Gruber, whoever's on the panel.

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You guys are talking.

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And at the end, because you're already back there, you would just go to that back wall and they would be back to a printopia.

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Phone view.

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Phone view.

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That's the one I was thinking of. I call recorder, which we all used because that was.

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All recorder for Skype PRODUCT.

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And then believe it or not, the first program way back in 99 was before when I chat was a thing,

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you had camera tricks.

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And so you had eyeglasses, which would let you do crazy things with your webcam when all

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we had was a little connectic, the little golf ball.

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Right. Right. So then they got shirtlocked by Apple ORG, of course, because Apple added the little fish bowls and everything into, you know,

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I chat. So, yeah, been around since 1999.

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Really sharp programmers. That's how I found about e-camp because I used phone view PRODUCT. And I was going to the website and I saw this new thing that they were doing, e-cam. And I think I've been recommending it ever since. Thank you, E- ORGCAM for supporting the show.And we support you right back as we have for a long time. E-CAM live. Find out more at e-cam.com slash twit. And what is your title at E-CAM? Are you there a creator type?

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Well, it was a community manager,

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but now I'm director of strategic partnerships.

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Whoa.

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Oh, you got a big question.

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I think you need a bow tie now. Finding places like Twid ORG that will run.

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Oh, nice. Let my melon head be in the bottom quarter DATE. But like we work closely with Shore and Road ORG and, you know, some other companies now

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because I just want our users to have the best experience and not fire gear that doesn't match. So I'm like, let me go make connections with companies

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directly. And that's how we get eCamp for Zoom PRODUCT. Well, give us a pick. Give us a pick here.

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Oh, I got one for you. Like, listen, this one, I've been traveling a lot like I mentioned recently. And maybe even if you weren't traveling, this might even be cool for the house but you need a switch i picked the barrel a x it also has a lovely title like the g l dash mt

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three oh my god wasn't this what we recommended sunday on on ask the deck guys yeah oh my god fam i just traveled and i was in uh i was in a hotel in Portsmouth, New Hampshire GPE.

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I'm still getting used to your names.

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Muth, Muth, Hotsmouth, New Hampshire GPE.

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When it down, drop a few vowels.

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It's always safe.

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Pop it in, you pop it in, and the capture page for Bonvoy ORG pops up. And then it gives me full access to that. But I'm not limited to now hotels are cute. Oh, you get two devices. I'm like, you know, my shoes are wired. What the heck I'm going to do with two devices, right? So this thing will let you get like 170 devices or something. But what makes it cool is a lot of times your reach out isn't just to the internet, you reach out as thedevices internally, right? So if you're connected to the hostels Wi-Fi and you're trying to capture, say, photos from your camera to your iPad or from your iPad to your computer, you're going to be stuck at that speed. By this guy connecting and it being Wi-Fi 6, the 15 Pro Max PRODUCT sending pictures to the iPad or the Sony ORG sending pictures to the eye is much quicker because you have a, everybody has Wi-Fi 6. You got your own little Wi-Fi 6. Trust me, the hotel is on Wi-Fi negative.So it's, it's, it does all kind of crazy things. It has wire guard. It has VPN. You can cascade VPN. Like, it's, it's really hard to describe, but it's quite amazing. You can even slap an SSD on the back of it.So we were all traveling together.

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And I had this network and say our rooms were sort of consecutive.

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I could be like, all right, fellas, we're going to take all these pictures at NAB ORG. Everybody dropped the pictures into this one folder.

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That's so cool.

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Okay, that's real nice.

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Yeah, it's crazy.

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If you know WRT, you kind of know what it can do, but it's a dope implementation.

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It's super inexpensive.

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And I fell in love with this thing.

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It is literally one of the coolest things.

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We thought this might be the answer to the question our caller had.

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Let me ask if this would work.

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He had a hotspot from his, he was up in Alaska GPE,

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from his carrier, but of course the hotspot only let him use one device, right? And so I said,

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well, maybe if you got this, you would join the hotspot with this barrel. And then it could be

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your router that talks to every other device in the house. You could use it as your home router.

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100%. As a matter of fact,

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you could take the hotspot and plug it into the USB port. And then it's even faster than it's hotspot wired to wire. Wireless to wireless is one thing. But most hotspots you can plug directly. You can tether the phone. So what you're actually able to do with this is plug in the external hotspotand connect to the hotel and bond. Yeah. You can do bonded? Uh-huh. Wow.

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You can run Speedify PRODUCT directly on this guy because it's WRT. WRT. I mean, that was one of the reasons I liked it. It was a supported at WRT ORG.

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And for 80 bucks, I mean, come over 90, whatever.

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It's super good. Now, you're going to get confused because there's two models that are similar kind of side by side. The reason why I got this one as opposed to the slate is this one has the newest up to 300 megabytes per second, whereas the slate is only 170 QUANTITY. But either one of them would be good. They both have very similar things. It was something about the Wi-Fi 6 PRODUCT built in this one that just did it for me.Very nice. That's kind of a coincidence. The barrel a X from g.l.inet. And it's available on Amazon for 8690 CARDINAL. Good pick. And I'm glad that we got the answer right on us.

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Yeah, me too.

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Micah, what's your pick this week? So I wanted to share this one because Instagram got me, Leo PERSON.

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I was scrolling to Instagram ORG. Oh, my God. And they must know that I have a dog that has a dual coat.

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So if you have a pet and your pet is a shudder, but particularly if they have a dual coat, which means they've got this kind of nice, smooth overcoat. And then underneath is this

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soft, fluffy. Basically, one of my dogs, Henry PERSON, his whole existence is just to make hair. I put food in and hair comes out. He's this tiny dog. And yet within a week, there's so much hair, it's ridiculous. And so I think Instagram knows this, probably knows that I can make like entire Henry PERSON's out of the hair that he produces in a week. And I came across what they called a steaming pet brush, but it is not actually steam. What it uses is a little piezo transducer to kind of mist.So it's like an atomizer. And it, but by virtue of it being wet, it kind of helps to clump the hair that you were brushing out. And so you can charge this.It's got, it's, it is micro USB, but who cares. And it takes a second to charge. You put water into it. You can even put, um,

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leave on pet essence. Yeah, you into it. You can even put essential oil in. Yes.

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Yeah, you can put some essential oil into it. As long as you check that your pet is not allergic, of course. You brush and then it collects it all instead of what happens where I, you know, I'd just be petting him and there would be hair coming off. This has been great. And I just had to share it because, again, Instagram ORG got me.I saw this on there and immediately, it's like, what, I need to have this thing.

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But I'm very happy with it.

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Henry PERSON, not so much because he doesn't like the sound that the mister makes, but too bad because it's great. And then I did want to mention the rock paper pencil that we talked about earlier from Astropad ORG. So I did put it on the device. Oh, wow.

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You did that during the show you put it on?

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Yeah, because it has a really, the static cling thing is no joke.

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So I can easily, they put kind of two spots on there where you can lift it.

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And so, yeah, they're like little tabs. And then, well, now I'm making, there we go. So it comes off and I can go back on very easily and it just static clings on there. And the Apple ORG pencil tip that it comes with will be difficult to see with this. But it's essentially like a little metal nib.

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Like a ballpoint pen tip it says.

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Yes, exactly. I am quite impressed with the kind of bite that it has. It's quite nice. So if you have been looking for an easy to remove way to take notes on your iPad, this might be what you're looking for. It's $40. But with that, you get two of the little ballpoint pen nibs that I've found to be completely compatible. I was doing brush strokes earlier and everything. It was working great. And then the cover itself that has that static cling so that it can come off and go back on. So, yeah, Astropads ORG, rock paper, pencil.

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And they say they're going to have a version for the new iPads PRODUCT coming soon. So very nice. Thank you, Micah PERSON. Two picks for the price iPads coming soon. So very nice. Thank you, Micah. Two picks for the price of one. Mr. Andy and Ico PERSON, pick of the week.

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I've been experimenting with like ambient sound apps. Those kind of things that like the kind of things that will basically all it plays is like rain sounds. And they would and all these different apps have all kinds of different colorful ways to describe it. Oh, it's amazon rainforest LOC at the at the at the at the s that the neolithic age and spring barley field like just wheat is wind weeping through wheat wheat fields of wheat uh breath of lavender yes

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and i've actually been kind of liking them i've started using it on my smart speaker because it has those features built in.

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And I'm looking at them on different mobile apps. I've been liking an app called Portal. You can find it at portal. Dot app. And this is super, super, super fancy, super, super, super Mac-like. This is a super, super, like, you know, hippie, crunchy sort of thing where it has not only like about 50 different environments, but also like ultra HD like video of the wheat field and of the rainforest. It'll actually even have some of them are in spatial audio.It'll connect to like your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, the lighting will change to like a thunderstormy sort of lighting. I don't know.And it's, I find it really, really useful not only for getting to sleep because it masks, like a house makes little bits of noises that might, as you're really just right on the precipice, like suddenly jolt you up and now you can't like,you just lost a half hour of sleep time. Even all that sort of stuff out. I have a little bit of tinnitus in one of my ears, and that doesn't distract anymore. It's also really good for focus when you're working because, again, sometimes some noise is good. I can't listen to music while I'm really immersed in work because it will become sort of a distraction. But I do find that having some sort of ambient noise going does help tokeep me focused. It lets me hear what's going on in my environment without every little detail what's going on in the street outside affecting my environment. Like, I don't know, roofers, like ripping up a roof, like right across the street while I'm trying to podcast. You can also mix it into like whatever your standard Mac PRODUCT audio is.So you can still like have audio alerts. You can still have all the sort of stuff. It's really pretty good. It comes now the the gotcha here is that it comes with six for free. They want you to sign up for like the bone, the extra crunchy, extra like hippie sort of arrangements.Those are like 10 bucks a month or like $50 over the course of the year. I'm not a big enough fan for it. As somebody who just canceled like most of my, I just canceled like my Apple One plan because $40 for the only thing that I was actually using was the two terabytes of ICloud storage. It's a hard sell for $10 for these ambient sort sounds for me.You might, your mileage might different, but you do get six that are actually very, very useful and at least give you some idea of, is this making me more productive to set a sleep timer, set a task or a focus timer, have the stuff going into my headphones or into my smart speakers. It does support airplay, so you don't have to just use spatial audio on your headphones. Give it a try. If you don't't use this give it another app a try i like this one because the level of polish is pretty pretty high uh this is is you have a kind of oceany is this one

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the balaic bottle like mine's in the uk in oceany LOC sound because we like to have oceans while we

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sleep uh let's see let's see they've got am amadablam the mines being ocean LOC the mines it's the i don't think the batalic

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mines in the uk i don't think you get i don't think you get ocean you get amazon GPE thunderstorm

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uh from brazil you get people redwood rocks you got a jump

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uh huh spira Spring PRODUCT on chorus.

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I sleep well.

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That kind of a chain gang.

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It is portal.

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dot app.

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P-O-R-T-A-L dot app.

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Thank you very much.

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Some of these apps are pretty weird.

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I will say that is the one that I use on my Android PRODUCT phone has so many.

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One of them includes like library. One of them includes coffee coffee shop so if you just want the ambient noise of people making noise around you if you're lonely if that's what's going to do it for you they're not going to judge they'll give you what they'll give you what will help well we we often put sleep sounds on our home pod the big home pods which are on the the left and right of our bed in the house.

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And it's very relaxing and stuff.

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Also as we travel, so it would do spatial too, which is very cool.

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I'm going to try this.

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This is good.

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Portal.

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App.

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Thank you for the recommendation.

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And thank you.

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Mac and iOS PRODUCT.

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Mac and iOS PRODUCT. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Dr. Rocter PERSON. Everybody knows better knows him better as Sean PERSON brought us. No, wait a minute, that's Snoop Dogg PERSON.That's Snoop Dog.

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Doc Rock PERSON joins us whenever we can get space for him.

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And in this case, Jason Snell PERSON dropping out was a perfect time to get him. YouTube.com slash Doc Rock PERSON and, of course, at e-cam. Anything you want to plug? What are you up to these days? Anything new and different?

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Man, honestly, just been working.

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I am going to be releasing my own physical product pretty soon.

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Oh. But I will tell you in about maybe three weeks to a month when I get back from Chicago.

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We'll get you back on then.

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That's great.

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Andy, what kind of pizza I should get when I'm in Chicago?

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Oh, I mean lasagna, because that's what you guys make.

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It's not really pizza as in New York GPE. Bread bowl. Yeah.

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Okay.

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But yeah, so I'll let you know.

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It's very close. I'm just in my last yelling back and forth with the manufacturer, but yeah, it'll be so. So exciting. That's fantastic. Wow. Congratulations. It's always great to see you thank you doc thanks to michael PERSON sargent too michael be he was

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just on with ios today if you're a club member you can listen to that right now if you're a club member you can see it even right now actually you don't have to be a club member to listen

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just to see it the video is for the club and he'll be back tomorrow day after tomorrow for tech news weekly and of course with as the tech guys on sund the club. And he'll be back tomorrow, day after tomorrow for Tech News Weekly. And of course, with As the Tech Guys ORG on

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Sunday. And I am going to... And I'll be back soon with my own misting pet brush that I'll be launching. Oh, shoot, I just told you all. The Micah

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Sergeant Misting Petbrush. And I have Micah PERSON, something you're very interested. And I was going to make it my pick, but we're running out of time. So I'll save it for Ask the Tech ORG guys. This is the just came out, the new Kobo Libra to PRODUCT Color, which is really interesting.

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It's exciting.

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It's, you know, look, I mean, you know how color is on, on a e-ink screen. It's not super bright. But let me go back to back to my books. And I have some comics on here I could show. So you get an idea of what what kind of a comic would look like.It is color. I mean, that's kind of cool, right? It's color.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And all I wanted, as we talked about,

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was just a differentiator between, you know,

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one thing and another. And that I feel is provided.

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And if you don't want to get an iPad in the expensive pencil, for a lot less, you could get the Kobo PRODUCT and it's, it's pencil, which allows you to annotate, draw, create notebooks. It even has a text recognition, which is kind of cool. So I feel like this is an interesting product. You might want to take a look at, but we'll do a full review on Ask the Tech Guys on a Sunday.But this just came out this week from, and it's a good alternative. Buy this instead of the expensive iPad PRODUCT. You'll be so much happening.

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Your bank will thank you.

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Your bank will thank you. That's for sure. Thank you, Andy Anako. GBbh boston you were on last week uh yep that's available on the archives right

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go to wgbh news dot org ORG to listen to it uh listen to it whenever you want you can also go to the wgbh

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news channel on youtube because we we were from the boss public library ORG awesome video studios

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so you get to see me in my respectable geek cosplay,

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as I like to refer to it.

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Great.

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We'll see you next week. Jason ORG will be back. I think Alex will too for another Mac break weekly. We thank our club members for making this show possible without you. I don't know if we'd be able to keep the lights on here at the Twit Brickhouse Studios ORG. We're at this point now where the club is really paying much, pretty much the entire salary for all of our staff members.And so we thank you very much, club members. If you're not a member, seven bucks a month, great benefits, add free versions of all the shows, video of all the shows, even the ones that are audio only in public. We also have great events. In fact, tomorrow, or day after tomorrow, I'm making a brisket, and you're invited over to the Leport House because we're going to do a watch party of Fritz Lang's 1927 classic silent film Metropolis WORK_OF_ART, which really was a precursor for a lot of modern sci-fi.And it'll be a lot of fun. We're going to have, I'm going to make queso. The only reason I'm making queso is because Lisa and Debbie went to Costco yesterday and

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