Our Leadership and Looking Back to WWII

Our Leadership and Looking Back to WWII

by Victor Davis Hanson and Jack Fowler

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Hello, ladies and hello gentlemen, this is the Victor Davis-Hansson PERSON show.

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I am Jack Fowler PERSON. I'm the host, but you are here to listen to the star in the namesake, Victor Davis-Hanson PERSON, who is the Martin and Ely Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College ORG. We are recording on Saturday, May 4th, and this particular podcast episode will be up on Thursday, May 9th. Two days after Victor's book, The End of Everything WORK_OF_ART, has come out. Victor has a website, The Blade of Perseus WORK_OF_ART, Victor Hanson.com.We'll talk more about that. Later in this episode, I think a couple of things we want to get to today, Victor, are two artists who have had, had, have, and do have, one does anyway, the other is dead, important positions that have really helped screw up nations. We've got an important poll out about the forthcoming elections and the gender gap. If we have time, Victor PERSON, let's also talk aboutthe importance of India GPE and just what the hell is an insurrection anymore. We'll get to all of

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So Victor, Jared Bernstein, he is Joe Biden's PERSON top economic advisor. And I'm sure you've seen it. And I'm sure many of our listeners have seen this video clip of him going around social media in which he cannot answer basic economic questions, including why does the government have to borrow money? He's completely baffled as to monetary policy. And you know, Victor PERSON, he's the head of the U.S.Council of Economic Advisors. He's not an economist. That council role that was held in the Trump administration by our great friend and great economist, Kevin Hassett PERSON. But here in the Biden PERSON administration, we have a jazz musician and a social worker overseeing economics. Are you surprised by that, Victor PERSON, and any other thoughts you might have?

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No, not at all. He's been on television from the, he was Joe Biden's, as I recall, his advisor, economic advisor when he was vice president under Obama PERSON. And he's been on there telling us lies from the moment Biden PERSON was inaugurated. He told us that he was one of the ones along with Janet Yellen PERSON and said that inflation was only temporary, that the economy was in great shape. And he's not an economist. He's a, as I recall, he's a jazz player. He's a musician.He was, I mean, he was just, that's who he was. His degree is in music. And then he got into social activism and he joined some left-wing group, and he started writing things about social justice and economy. But he's not economist. He's there because he's a left-wing group and he started writing things about social justice and economy, but he's not economist. He's there because he's a left-wing person.Paul Kruging PERSON always praised him. I mean, that should tell you something. So he doesn't know anything. And the other question about it is it's so ironic because they all said that Donald Trump is bringing in incompetence. And when you look at all these appointments, you compare Kevin Hasser,Columbia ORG tenured professor, brilliant economist, and you compare him to Bernstein PERSON. It's just a joke. And when you compare, I wasn't a big fan of Kelly PERSON,but when you compare him at Homeland Security to Mayorkas PERSON, it's a joke. And you compare, I mean, I disagreed with Bill Barr, but when you compare him with Merrick Garland PERSON as far as intelligence and competence, it's a joke. And go down the line, you know, Jim Mattis, if you compare him, he was no friend of Trump's, but you compare Mattis to Lloyd Austin, and you compare their records, say, in Iraq GPE. It's a joke. And so it's a joke.And so what people need to understand is all of these appointments are political. They're based on all sorts of non-Marocratic NORP criteria, and they're incompetent. When you look at Anthony Blinken and you compare him with Mike Pompeo PERSON, it's a damn joke. Excuse me, darn joke. When you compare Jake Sullivan with H.R. McMaster PERSON, it's a joke. So Robert O'Brien and every one of these major appointments that Trump PERSON made were so far.And yet we're told by the media and the left that these are the professional. These are the experts in charge. And if you want to know why we fled from Afghanistan or why there's a Chinese NORP balloon traversing the United States or why there's 10 million people coming through or why we have prices of key staple goods 30 to 40 percent higher than when in gas, you look at these people and there's either one of two explanations.They're either totally incompetent. And they're not mutually exclusive, Jack PERSON. They're totally incompetent, incompetent, or the radical Jacobin NORP left-wingers that like chaos. And either one, the result has been a disaster. And he's a good example. He gets on TV.You watch him. And when you look at that video, he just keeps repeating, you know, yeah, you print money, you print money. Yeah, the government can print money as if money. I guess he's trying to advocate critical monetary theory that he doesn't understand basic principles

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that the more money that you print, the less value that it has. And that the more debt that the government has to assume to honor those commitments.

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And he doesn't understand that. And I mean, anybody where I work, I mean, if you look at the people of Hoover Economist, Josh Rao, Michael Boskin, John Cogan, John Taylor, John Cockney PERSON, any one of them would, I mean, you're around those guys and just listening to them, you can learn that come. This guy doesn't know anything. He's surrounded by mediocrities, and he's another one of Joe Biden's PERSON cronies.

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You hate to talk about, well, we don't hate to, but it is a prestigious position and prestigious

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in that in its importance, the head of the Council of Economic Advisers, Victor PERSON, because

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we maybe don't like the complexity of our financial systems in the world, but the fact is they are complex. The fact is America GPE is at the driver's seat. I don't know how much longer we are, but we are and the dollar is. And to have someone who doesn't even have a driver's license driving this car is shocked.

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No, I mean, I would say I have a bachelor's degree in classical languages and a PhD. And I would argue that that's a better training to be the chief of the president's economic advisors. And I would be totally inept and incompetent. But it's better than having a degree in jazz music, right? And that's what he did. And then he taught, you know, jazz music. And then he became, he became a political activist in New York GPE. And out of that, he's kind of like Robert Reich PERSON, right? Only Robert Reich actually had credentials. And he's doneuntold damage. And he lies all the time about how great everything is. And then he wondered why, when you take polls, 30% of the people approve of the Biden PERSON economy. And the answer is that it's no good for most people. And he doesn't understand that. And so now the job, we're running out. I guess what I'm saying is people are losing confidence with this $1 trillion printed every hundred days.And the jobs report was dismal. And it's up in some states near 5% unemployment California. And you know where that is, New York, Illinois, California. Right.

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And the inflation is coming back.

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And we're going to get stagflation. And it's going to be bad. My only worry is that it's all going to collapse after the election and the next president, if he's Trump PERSON, is going to be blamed for it. Right. Let's clean up the going to be blamed for. Right. Let's clean up the staples.

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Yeah, Biden PERSON inherited a border that was secure.

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He inherited growth. He inherited the recovery from COVID ORG. He inherited a deterrent foreign policy. He inherited massive recommitment to drill oil and gas, and he destroyed it. He did it intentionally.

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Yeah, because some people are born to be destructive and thrilled to it.

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And he has done that everywhere. He's gone early in his career. He was quite happy with Vietnam GPE's collapse. He was a senator prior to the fall of Saigon GPE.

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I remember he wanted trisect Iraq GPE. That was his idea to make perennial warring Kurds versus Shia versus Sunni NORP. Sunnis basically formalized the Iran control of Iraq GPE. Everything he touches turns to draw us. And everybody knows that. And it's so funny because everything that he accuses Trump PERSON of is projection. He said that you always blame the president if there's social unrest. That's what he said when the leftdeliberately started that rioting in 2020. And as Molly Ball wrote, it was modulated as a, quote, cabal and quote, conspiracy to hurt Trump PERSON. Okay. Well, that's what he's overseeing now that all of this unrest. According to his own logic, he's responsible for it. And he's a lot more responsible for it because it's in his own party and his own ideology than the antithetical riots were to Trump PERSON. And yet Trump was blamed for it. And then he says that Trump, you know, Trump is corrupt. And so after collusion and disinformation and all of that, there was no sign that he was corrupt. But the Biden family is corrupt. And then he said, Trump made, you know, incompetent. We're going to bring back the professional. I just mentioned all of the professionals family is corrupt. And then he said Trump made, you know, incompetent. We're going to bring back the professionals.I just mentioned all of the professionals that Trump appointed as compared to these hacks that Biden PERSON is appointed. So he just projects his own failures onto other people. And he's been a disaster. He's not a nice person. I know people are going to say that's a little bit animated. I mean to say that, but we'vetalked about that before. But he has a history of racist smears and slanders, that he's been mean to people, that he intrudes on women's private space. He blows in their hair. He's got a fixation with teenage and pre-teenage girls. He's got a very sick family, whether we talk about Ashley Biden's PERSON diaryin the showers or him walking nude in front of Secret Service, Wimp Female Agents ORG, or the Hunter laptop self-exposure, or the Frank Biden PERSON, I don't know, turns up on a gay porn site naked. All of this family is severely on balance. It really is. Yeah.

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He must have been happy yesterday, Victor, that he was giving out the Presidential Medal of Freedom WORK_OF_ART.

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And he got to go behind women's backs and put their metal on and maybe get a little sniff or sniff or a neck bite didn't you call it the

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freedom of metal i think you said i'm going to give the freedom of metal out

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he did yeah he did and then he had all these left-wing people there i guess there was 19

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of them you know and yeah i think eliz al PERSON go algor and right and it was all based on

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didn't nancy pelosi get one nancy pelosi did elizabeth dole got one Al Gore PERSON and that was all based on. Didn't Nancy Pelosi PERSON get one?

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Nancy Pelosi PERSON did.

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Elizabeth Dole PERSON got one.

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So I think they wanted to say that it wasn't completely stacked deck. Hey, Victor PERSON, we have another artist who played a great and evil role in history. And I think we're important to get your take on this. And how about we get to that right after these important messages?

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We're back with the Victor Davis Hanson show recording on May 4th,

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and this episode is up on May 9th.

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If you've yet to order Victor's new book, The End of Everything WORK_OF_ART, do it.

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You know how you can find out a little bit about it? Go to Victor's website, The Blade of Perseus, Victorhanson.com ORG. You're going to see a link for the book there. Find out more about it. And I'm sure that link links to where you can purchase itwhile you're there. If you're a Victor PERSON fan, fan of Victor PERSON's reading, yet to even know the site exists, you're going to be very happy.It's links to everything. All the American NORP Greatness essays he writes every week, syndicated columns, these podcasts and their archives, other appearances, and his ultra articles, which two or three week written exclusivelyfor the Blade of Perseus, to read them, to subscribe, it's $5 a month, $5 gets you in the door, discounted for a full year $50.00. Victor, the news, I saw an article in the Daily Mail last week about Anthony Blunt PERSON. And I'm sure many of our listeners know that name. He is one of the infamous British spies from Cambridge, who were spies for the Soviet Union GPE. He, of course, he was a premier art historian, so this is the link with Jared Bernstein PERSON. He's artists, but I think he had much more horrible consequence to what Anthony Blunt PERSON did. It was, he, excuse me, he admittedprivately. I think Margaret Thatcher PERSON, when she was, Prime Minister, you know, confirmed that he was, he was a spy. But it's come out lately in a book that not only did he spy for the Soviet Union GPE, well, actually in spying for the Soviet Union, in being an aid for the Soviet Union, he, it's believed he provided the Nazis in 1944 with the details about Market Garden FAC, which was the, I think you can explain what Market Garden was Victor, but I think history has said this was a flop of General Montgomery PERSON. And I don't think, Victor, it's, I don't think it's news that there was some spying or some revealing of the strategies that somebody gave them to the Nazis NORP.Maybe the news is that it's decided that it was blunt, who was the person who did it. But you've written about Second World War, you've written about Operation Market Garden EVENT. What are your thoughts about this? You've written about Second World War EVENT. You've written about Operation Market Garden EVENT. What are your thoughts about this?

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Well, everybody, I guess some people might not know it. If we go back to September, 1944, remember what had happened. The Americans had broken out in late July from the beachhead and the British. And there was a big argument about whether they had enough resources for a single thrust or a simultaneous thrust. The problem was for the British that 75% now, they had a million men in Normandy, were American NORP. So Eisenhower was Supreme Commander and his two court, his two lieutenants, Bradley and Montgomery PERSON were fighting over this. Montgomery said we are on the north and we have a straight 500 mile shot into the rur and we should be given all of the resources.The American said, you're a very good general, Montgomery PERSON, but you believe in the set piece. That is, you go up to five miles and then you entrenched like you did at L. L. L. A main FAC, and it works sometime, but not now. And you can't even take con. It was a big Anglo NORP-American fight. And then Third Army ORG was activated. It was supposed to go into the Brittany Peninsula LOC.That is the wrong way and insecure breast. And it didn't. It took off. So after Operation Cobra, where they used bombers to blast through a Panzer ORG division, Bradley let Hodges and Patton PERSON go. And they were going, going, going.So by three weeks later, they took Paris GPE. He had some brilliant French divisions, LeClerc ORG, and Patton was on his way the entire month of July, Third Army. He had almost a million men, and he was nearing the German border. And he needed gas. He said to Eisenhower, I know that I'm going into Bavaria and Czech GPE, and I'm not going straight line, but I haven't, there's nobody ahead of me. We destroyed the Panzer Group, Army Group West ORG, and they haven't recovered yet. And if you let me go, I will go in, take Prague, but also go into Bavaria GPE, and I will be in the east of Berlin.And this will be valuable. And Eisenhower being Ike PERSON, he's a very good diplomat. He said, well, Monty and the British think, you know, la da, da, da, so they cut, they decided that it was Monty PERSON's turn to run a money wanted to be as audacious and as daring as patent and he wasn't suited for it. So Eisenhower cut, basically cut off all the supplies to Hodges and Patton PERSON,two big American armies under the control of Bradley PERSON. All three of them got very furious at Ike, and they said to Monty PERSON, okay, we're going to give you the large, you're going to have the largest air drop in history. And Moni PERSON concocted a completely cockamini plant. First of all, the biggest fort in Europe was Antwerp GPE.And they had Antwerp GPE, but they didn't have the estuary to get into it. Both sides were covered by Germans NORP with huge artillery. So no ships could come in. So they said to Moni PERSON, we won't have a supply problem because we can supply patent with the Normandy ports and Marseille and everything, and you can have Antwerp GPE.They had the supplies that were just a matter of getting it there. But he didn't want to take, he didn't want to do the on-glamorous drudgery of securing the estuary. So here we are giving all of these supplies directing from the Americans NORP to money. And he came up with this idea called Market-Dash Garden. And Market was he was going to take 40,000 paratroopers,and he was going to drop them in sequence along the bridges of the Rhine LOC tributaries. You know, at Eindhoven, Saan, Nigermen, and then Arnheim GPE, the big one, the last one. And then Garden was going to have a British armor group go along this highway. And as they went to each bridge, the 101st under the brilliant Maxwell Taylor PERSON was going to capture this. And then James Gavin PERSON, who might have been one of the best commanders in the entire war, was his division was going to take Eindhoven GPE.And then they were going to leap fog. And then three days, they were going to be over the Rhine River at Ornheim FAC, the final bridge, and then they were going to be right in the river. And the idea was the Germans NORP were going to be shocked, and then they were going to poor people. Now, sounded great, except let's just go through very quickly. I think this is interesting. I think people might want to hear it because it gets back to the spy. So the problem was you had to get every one of those bridges in succession because if you didn't get one, you would hold up the entire armored garden thrust. The first problem wasthat the road, and I've been to Arnhem three times, I've given lectures there on the campaign. In fact, I got almost kicked out of a Dutch NORP museum. I think it was in Eindhoven or it was in Nigermen GPE because the people thought I was too critical. But the problem was that the road jack, when you look at it, it's still, it's in an estuary. So there's trains. I mean, there's water an estuary. So there's trees. I mean, there's water there.It's kind of like Florida GPE, but the road is built up. It's the only place you can go across these bridges if you take that route. So basically, you had light German NORP artillery in all of these trees on both sides of the road. And then the road is elevated and it's single lane. So these, when they got the bridges and it was hard to get them because you had to parachute into these kind of estuary conditionsand you had to, you know, there was bad weather and you had to take them. And there was delays. And the Germans NORP, of course, blew up some of them. You had to build bridges, but they were easy to pick off. And all you had to do was blow up three British Sherman PRODUCT tanks, and you could bottleneck the whole thing. The whole thing was supposed to have three days.So we take all of these Americans and British, and by the way, the most experienced airborne at this time were the 101st and 82nd. And the first airborne had not been at D-Day, the British Airborne First Division ORG. And they had the prestige and the most dangerous task of taking Arnhheim FAC, the last one. Okay. And so what happened? Ryan Horrocks PERSON was a great commander. He'd been severely wounded and he was in charge. Everybody loved him.He was in charge of the armored divisions that were going across the bridge. He was very slow. So he got to these bridges and he stopped for a day to recover. And they kept telling them people have died to take these bridges. You don't stop for one moment. You've got to get across before the Germans NORP are onto.So make a long story short, it took over a week to get to Arnheim GPE. And the poor first British airborne was still holding this bridge with no heavy artillery, no tanks. And guess what? They were dropped not near Arnhheim over a mile, two miles. They were way distant. And they had to march all the way to Arnheim GPE with no heavy reinforcement.The first Polish NORP division was supposed to reinforce them. The weather delayed them, I think, three days. And the point is, and this was where we're getting to Anthony Blunt PERSON, they dropped this, they dropped the British right near Walter Maudel's Panzer Corps ORG. And there were the 9th and 10th Panzer divisions. And these people had Tiger and Panther PRODUCT tanks. And they were, apparently, we know now, we'd known earlier, there was a guy named King Kong, as I remember, and he was a Dutch agent for the Soviets NORP.And he had said he was working, they arrested him and he killed himself in jail. But he had said he was working for the Soviets by supplying the plans of market garden from the Dutch NORP resistance, because when Marnie PERSON was planning this thing, until they caught on, they were working with the Dutch NORP resistance. And I think three months before, they found out it was too late, that somebody was passing on this information.Why? Because what you said, they wanted the Soviets NORP to get to Berlin and get as far west as possible. So communism would absorb Europe and the Americans and the British would be stalled by, and that was why they helped the Nazis NORP stall. Okay. So apparently, and it's not proven, but it's pretty likely, Landismund, the Dutch person, gave information to the Germans, and they positioned roughly two divisions.If they had been full force, they weren't. But about 20,000 Germans with heavy armor, and they were cracked, I think one of them was an SS ORG division. They were crack soldiers, and they were waiting for the paratroopers. They were waiting for horroatroopers, they were waiting for Horrocks ORG to come along the highway. And now we learn that Anthony Blunt, or the Cambridge Five, Guy Burgess, Don McClain,and the worst of all, Kim Filby PERSON, and there was another one. They were intellectuals in Cambridge University and they were very anti-ritish, even though, and they were the aristocrats. Anthony Blunt PERSON was, as I remember, I would be very careful. He was a cousin to Queen Elizabeth PERSON's mother. He was a second or third cousin to Queen Elizabeth PERSON, and he was the official loyal art historian. He wrote about French NORP architecture.He got a book that it's pretty well known, and he was the official loyal art historian he wrote about french architecture uh he got a book that you it's pretty well known and he was a prig he was an arrogant and he was also part of this cambridge homosexual group with guy burgess and uh others i think one of them was the rothschild

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victor rothschild was a rothsch. There was some American NORP in there also. Yeah, there was.

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I forgot the guy's name. And there was a young writer and he got killed in the Spanish Civil War EVENT. But all of them were very anti-British NORP. They hated their own system. They were aristocrats. They thought they were untouchable as arrogant intellectuals at Cambridge ORG.They had ties to royalty. And they were feeding the Soviets, British war plans, mostly from ultra. And they were actually trying to give the ultra intercepts of Nazi NORP communications straight to the Soviets NORP. And the idea was they hoped that the Soviets would crush Germany GPE and then go into Western Europe and crush the Americans and British and take it over.Okay. So the result of all that was when they dropped these airborne and all these Americans NORP died to get these bridges. The British were very brave. Jack Frost, all these guys fought for seven days, but they were against Panzer ORG divisions. And that was because of these Cambridge intellectuals. for seven days, but they were against Panzer ORG divisions. And that was because of these Cambridge ORG intellectuals. There was another subtext to this. When the Americans broke out of the beachhead in Normandy LOC, Andre Bradley and Patton and Hodges PERSON,around the end of July, Operation Cobra EVENT, they quickly encircled the entire Army group West of about 400,000 Germans NORP. Hitler would not let them retreat, and they were making a huge loop at fillets, town of fillets. And they hadn't made a big sweep,and then they said to Montgomery and Bradley PERSON, you've got to come from the north and close this loop. And Monty was not a thruster, what the British called a thruster. He didn't, he wouldn't do it. He was too slow. And Bradley PERSON said, I don't want to break our neck because if we stop thisbottle, we put a plug in the bottle, they'll blow it apart, which is fan. That was just silly, fantasy. And so the result of it was they trapped the in, by this time, the Germans NORP were getting out and out. And Patton PERSON was, he had done what he was supposed to do. He was waiting. His troops had sealed half of the escape route. And then from the north, and of course, you don't want two allied armies colliding with each other. Then they waited and they waited.And then they unleashed air power. And typically, Bradley and Montgomery said, well, we're killing thousands of Germans NORP. And we're blowing up all their equipment, thousands of vehicles. They killed 10,000 Germans NORP. It was a slaughterhouse. And Patton PERSON kept saying, it doesn't matter.It doesn't matter how many you kill, how many get away. We can end the war right now. There's nobody out there. We just cut and they let it go. And one of the results was the 9th and 10th Panzer ORG divisions escaped. And where did they go to Rikou GPE? They went right up to occupied Holland and the German NORP border, and they were refitted.And unfortunately for the alleys, they were then put under the control of the most fanatic, crazy, but brilliant Walter Modo PERSON. He was a genuine Nazi NORP general. And he was accused. He killed himself. He was a person who really had stymied the Americans and their advance into Germany GPE and he finally killed himself. But the point I'm making is that that didn't happen to happen.There wouldn't have been any Panzer divisions if they had allowed the Americans NORP to close the gap. That was Bradley's fault and it was also Montgomery PERSON's for not helping to close it. So then those people went up there, and then they got intelligence, that there was something big cooking, and the Dutch NORP resistance trader had confirmed that, and he said there was another spy that he was working with to transmit the information called Josephine PERSON. Nobody knew who it was. And now we learned that Josephine was probably Anthony Blunt. And he was taking the information from this Dutch NORP spy and transmitting it to theGermans NORP, to the Germans. And probably to the Germans because the Bettsley Park ultra people and M515, all those people had turned German NORP spies and they were feeding them false stuff. But apparently he and others that were handling spies and they made him a major were able to transmit to the German NORPs at this particular feed that was coming from German spies was actually accurate. In other words, they were able to convince the German NORP intelligence that, you know, this is not coming from a turn spy that's been flipped. This is genuine.And the Germans NORP, I think, after trial and error believed it. And therefore, they positioned according to this theory, which is not really a theory because it happened. But we didn't know the role of Blount PERSON. So they positioned these armored divisions and then they dropped the first British airborne right on, basically right on top of them. And so what the result of all it was, they tookevery bridge but Arnheim GPE. But the problem was it didn't matter because all of these were tributaries, but the main Rhine LOC slow was never taken. So all they did was make a, I guess you'd call it a salient or a bulge all the way to the German NORP border, very thin along the highway. And then the Germans were still occupying most of Holland GPE. Of course, they took it out in the population.They cut off all food. They starved 17,000 people. 20,000 Americans and British were killed or wounded. It was a complete disaster. And then Moni said, it's 90% successful because we had seven bridges. We took all but one.Now we've got Americans looking right across the Rhine LOC. And people said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Americans NORP did. To do this, you cut off all the supplies of a huge American army that was nearing the German NORP border with no opposition in front of it. And it could have crossed the Rhine LOC. And unlike you, it would have done something.And he said, and that's where they stayed until almost the end of the war. They never really got across the Rhine until the very end of the war. And the irony was, Jack, that they sent a Polish division to relieve the British paratroopers, and they were just slaughtered. They were waiting for them. They knew where they're, apparently they knew where they were coming. There were bad weather. It was a disaster.And more importantly, I think it caused a lot of repercussions against the Dutch by the Germans NORP. And the irony, as I said, was they were able, when they got to Arnem, Horrox was only about six, six or seven miles, I remember, outside, and they stopped. And they said, why are you stopping? He said, because we're thinning out as we go, we don't have enough. And we find now there's Panzer ORG divisions waiting for us. Well, they had air support.So you don't, and they stopped. And they let the paratroopers be captured. Some of them got across and were able to get back, but most of them were captured or killed. And there were ferries. The funny thing was they could have taken a ferry and gotten across. There were ferry services, and they didn't even know it.And so the whole thing was compromised just to review the British and Bradley PERSON let the German two huge German NORP divisions escape from the fillets pocket. Number two, they should have never givenpreeminence and favors to Monty PERSON. That's not the type of general. He was very good on the defensive and the set piece. He was not an offensive commander and he was angry because the Americans NORP were getting all of the attention under Patton. They should have had him take the harbor at Antwerp GPE. He had the city, he had the harbor facilities. All he had to do is take the estuary and they would have had supplies for everybody.They didn't do that for weeks after that. Number three, they should have never relied on a thin little highway to transmit 40 or 50,000 armor true. It was never going to work. And number five, four, you couldn't expect all these bridges in succession to be taken. Number five, they had an idea that somebody in British intelligence was counterfeit. And in fact, the final asterisk to set story, in the 1960s, they outed Blunt, Blunt, and because he was a member of the royal family by extension and the official art historian,they kept it silent as to what you said until Margaret Thatcher PERSON ratted him out. But he was always thought to have been basically a spy for the Soviet Union, that is, that he and Kim Philby and Guy Burgess and McClellan PERSON, they were all giving e-information to the Soviets on technology, British war plans, allied strategies. But nobody had really thought that, like this Dutch NORP spy, they were actually giving also information to the Nazis NORP. And that was, there was something, when you read about the Cambridge Five ORG, it's, it reminds

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me kind of like this campus protest that you see today. Because these were spoiled rats that were aristocratic, moneyed people.

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A lot of them were gay and felt that they were estates and were, it was kind of almost like Greek NORP pederasty. They thought they were Socratic NORP. They were that this was the cult of the male intellectual. And they were not the grubby common people of Britain GPE, the yeoman of Britain. Very arrogant. They were very unapologetic.Philby fled to the Soviet Union GPE. And Blunt was never, during his lifetime, he was never punished. They stripped finally when Margaret Margaret Thatcher PERSON exposed it. They stripped him of some honors, but he never punished. Never, they stripped, finally, when Margaret, Margaret Thatcher exposed it, they stripped him of some honors, but he never went to jail. And it was a, he got a lot of people killed. He got a lot of people killed.

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It's okay if you're, remember the elite and do that, or remember Davos GPE and do that.

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But if you're a truck driver and you walk by the Capitol on January 6th, somehow you're involved in insurrection. Think of all the Americans who died at Eindhoven GPE.

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Yeah. Indoven and Nyjeman PERSON trying to take the bridges all for nothing. And think of all the

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Americans in the Third Army that were sitting outside of Mets ORG and they couldn't move because they had no gasoline. They were just sitting there after going for an entire month and blasting through 40 miles a day toward the German NORP border, and then they just sit there. Then after the war, the worst thing about it was, Chester Wilmot and all these British historians said, well, Monty PERSON was right.It was 90% effective. That's like saying you've got a brain tumor and you took out 90% of it and the last 10% was malignant, but you didn't get it. So it's, oh, that brain operation was 90% successful. Of course, it killed the patient because we didn't get the malignacy out. Well, that was the problem. It didn't matter how many bridges you took. The only one that mattered was Arnheim, because that was the one that got you into Germany GPE, and they didn't get into Germany GPE. Then they were exposed on this highway and this sally, and they had to pull back.And it was a disaster, and they didn't take the harbor for weeks on end. And yet the British historians kept praising Monty PERSON. And Monty PERSON had not closed the gap at fillets. He had not taken the harbor at Antwerp GPE, the entire harbor. And he had wasted untold supplies. And he had some incompetent browning under him was a joke.And he got 20,000 people killed or wounded. And it prolonged the war. It really did because it cut off the American NORP advance. And the result of this was the Battle of the Bolt.

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Historians are, as you know, because you are one, there's so much ideology layered into things now. So to look to see British historians looking back at Montgomery today, I don't follow this, but I would imagine there'd be a lot of ideology, leftist ideology, cooked into that. But is there in modern British military history, does anyone take the Victor Davis-Hanssen view of Montgomery PERSON? Some of them do.

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I mean, I think Andrew Roberts PERSON was very fair in the storm of war. Right.

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To take one example, Chester Womont wrote right after the war, and he hated Patton PERSON.

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And the thing about what's happened is you're absolutely right about the ideology of historiography. Part of the problem was that when you wanted to look at the American role in World War II in Europe after D-Day, there were two problems. George Patton died in his early 60s right after the war in that tragic, the day before he was going to go back to America GPE. Okay, he got killed in the trap. So he's gone. Omar Bradley lived, he was going to go back to America, okay, he got killed and trapped. So he's gone. Omar Bradley lived, he was, you know, he was on the stage in a wheelchair in the celebration of the first Gulf War in this late 80s. He wrote, you know, he wrote his memoirs right after the war.And then he revised them in reaction, a ghostwriter revised them in reaction to the publication of Patton's diary, War as I knew it WORK_OF_ART. His family published after the war was very critical Bradley PERSON. So then he just attacked Patton PERSON. And then Eisenhower PERSON became president. And he lived into his mid-70s. So the point I'm making is if you were a U.S. Army ORG historian and you went to thearchives and you were writing, you had all of the people under Bradley in the 1940s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s still alive. And you had all the people under Ike PERSON and they were iconic figures. So nobody could really, if you were going to write a book and say that Omar Bradley PERSON should have closed the Flaise Gap, Omar Bradley was not the figure in the Patton PERSON movie that helped Patton. He hated Patton PERSON. He hated him.He tried to sabotage his career all the way. Eisenhower PERSON was a brilliant, I don't want to say bureaucrat because he wasn't. He was a really good man and he was able to balance British and American NORP interests. But in doing that, he failed to see that 75% of the effort by July in terms of money, supplies, weapons, and soldiers were American NORP. And he had under his command, via Bradley, an authentic military genius in George Patton. And George Patton was obnoxious. He was crude. He was volatile. He may have been crazy. He believed in reincarnation. But he was a genius. And if they had just said to themselves, Courtney Hodges is a good general in First Army ORG. but this man that we don't like will win the war. And even though we put him way to the south, and he has the longest course into Germany GPE, he is a genius and he's got air support, and he's crafted a way to fight that no one can see.And Moni is just a set piece, go five miles, think, oh, I don't want to have a Verdunner Psalm again and destroy British manhood and I'm going to entrench. And then I'm going to go another five miles and stop and entrench. And I'm going to go another five miles and string or I think the Germans are going to counterattack. So I'm going to spend a week and dig in and wait for them and bounce them off. And he did that very well. But if you're in Europe at this period in summer 1944 and you've got this genius who says,they say to Patent, how about your flanks? You're just going so fast. He says, I've got air support P47, P51s. I don't need P. C Ccet PERSON is a brilliant air commander. And there's covering my flanks. And I'm just bypassing resistance, and I'm going to get across, and it just didn't work. And he had slapped two soldiers in Sicily GPE. He was on probation.And so what I'm getting at, once Bradley died, and once Eisenhower PERSON died, Eisenhower died much earlier, then all of a sudden things started to happen. And Carlo de Este wrote, you know, a biography of Patton PERSON that was very fair. And he wrote a book about Normandy that was brilliant. And we started to see publications that took a completely different look at Normandy and a completely different look at Bradley PERSON. And, you know, it's, it was, and I don't know, it was, it's very sad.

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And I'm not going to compare Trump to Patton PERSON.

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There was something Trump PERSONian about Patton or something patentesque about Trump in the sense that they were both their worst enemies in the sense they talked too much, they were crude, they were wild, they were erratic, but they had elements of genius. So when you look at Trump PERSON, what he did with the economy and foreign policy and Soleimani and Iran and bombing ISIS ORG and getting rid of it and deregulation and his judicial appointments, it was very inspired and deregulation and his judicial appointments. It was very inspired and the country was on the right track, and yet they hated him.And that was partly because of who he was. And if you just take Trump PERSON's orange tan and his comb over hair and his heavy weight, and you transfer that to Patton PERSON with his

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pearl we bowels, yes, and then you have the shiny helmet that he shined and his

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pants tucked into his boots and out there with a swagger stick directing traffic or up in a little Cessna ORG plane by himself. That's the same idea that people caricatured that. Right.

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Which you've written about as also from the movie's perspective, right?

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John Wayne and the searchers and, and Shane PERSON and Shane. It's a tragic here. Patton PERSON was authentic. I think in the book, Solo Battle, I have it's American Ajax PERSON and that was who he was. And he had, he was. And he was very fortunatethat he had a wonderful wife, Beatrice Ayers PERSON. She was an heir to one of the big pharmaceutical fortunes. And every time he got in trouble, even though she was very conservative and right wing, they hadaccess to the Roosevelt PERSON administration. And there's a big myth that that movie Patton, which was a good movie, George C. Scott PERSON, was brilliant, but it promulgated a lot of lies. And one of them was that Bradley saved Patton PERSON. Bradley tried to send Patton PERSON home.Eisenhower PERSON wavered. I knew he was a genius. Both of them had been subordinate in the peacetime army. Patton PERSON outranked both of them. But the person who really saved him was actually George Marshall and FDR PERSON. And FDR would say to Marshall, where's Patton PERSON?He loved Patton PERSON. And Marshall finally said to Ike PERSON, it's your decision, like what to do. But I want to tell you that you've got a genius. Basically, I'm not verbatim. You've got a genius on your command and be fair to him. But it's your decision.And that in itself allowed Eisenhower to tell Bradley PERSON, we're going to keep him. And then Bradley, of course, acted as if he saved Pat PERSON. But he was conniving. Bradley PERSON was a very nice person. He was capable general. There were a lot of good character traits.He was much more sober and judicious than Patton, but he didn't have the talent of George Patton PERSON. George Patton PERSON could look at a battlefield and know exactly what was going on, exactly what had to be done, exactly how to do it. His only problem was the way that he termed it, you know, when he wanted to close the fillets gout. And he kept saying, well, the British have to close it. The British have to close it. And everybody said, well, Monty PERSON doesn't want to close it because you might bump into him. He said, hell, we'll bump into him and send him back to Dunker PERSON. Can you imagine how that hurt?That sounded to the British.

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So he was like Trump PERSON in that sense. Yeah.

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Anyway.

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Well, it's all really fascinating, Victor PERSON. And thanks for the important history lesson. I think we have time for one more topic. And that would be about politics in November and the gender gap. And let's get to that, your thoughts on that, Victor PERSON, right after this final important message.

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So John McLaughlin PERSON, not the dead ex-Jesuit host of the McLaughlin group, but John McLaughlin, the pollster, who, by the way, Victor PERSON, I don't think you know that. He grew up around the corner from me.

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I didn't know. He's not a relation, is he, to the famous John McLaugh PERSON.

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He's not, no. But John, the pollster and his brother, Jim, they grew up on 233rd Street FAC,

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and I grew up on 235th. And there was no 234th at the time in the Bronx GPE.

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So yeah, but he's a great guy and he's a great pollster.

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And he's, and he just conducted a poll and he wrote about it in the New York Post ORG. And it had to do with the, what he calls, Biden PERSON's shrinking gender gap.

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Let me just read this quickly. John writes, now according to the recent April national poll of 1,000 likely voters from McLaughlin and associates among all voters, Trump leads Biden 49 to 45%. Some more recent polls give President Trump PERSON an even bigger lead. What the liberal media spinners fail to mention is that among all men, Trump leads 54 to 41, up a net six points from 2020. But among women, Trump has cut Biden's 15 point, 2020 lead to a mere four points. Biden barely wins this among women, 48 to 44. Sure, there's a gap,but not one that will make a difference. The gender gap is more a Biden PERSON deficit among men, rather than a Trump PERSON deficit among women. Final line here, Trump's message to keep America safe is attracting what John PERSON calls safety moms who vote on the issues of immigration and crime.

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Victor, your thoughts on this. Well, to address why Biden PERSON is is losing among women just put yourself if you're a suburban woman with you know children of any age or or husband and you're looking at three or four things that biden is in charge of say your son or daughter is looking about going into the military and then you look at what happened in Afghanistan GPE. 13 Marines killed when they had rules of engagement that were too restrictive, abandonment, ridicule. And then you look at the military in general with D.I. and woke, et cetera.Would you really want your children, would you feel they're safe in that military? And then you look at your neighborhood and you start to see that carjacking and smashing and grabbing and the knockout game and all of that stuff is infiltrating your suburbs. And more importantly, people are not being charged with felonies arrested, no bail, and they're let out. So that's the second thing. And then you, so if you have children and you're driving them in your SUV to work or to school, you may be carjacked. That's how you're, that's how you're thinking.I'm not saying the statistics suggest that you will be, but it's a possibility. Or you have a child that you've spent. You've taken out a lot of loans. You've told your kid to study, study, study. They've done that. And you were able to get them into Harvard or Princeton or Columbia or Stanford ORG.And you've taken out huge loans. And it's going to cost you $350,000. And your kid calls up and you say, are you studying all the time? And he said, well, they canceled graduation and we're all on Zoom PRODUCT classes and we haven't met. And everybody's and they're thinking about giving everybody a pass. And what do you think about that?The university doesn't protect your interests. And then you say, are you in danger? And they said, yeah, they're hitting Jewish NORP students and you can't go into this camp. And so all of that messaging, whether it affects somebody directly or not, starts to absorb. And then it wars with, I'm a suburban woman and Donald Trump PERSON is going to kill women without, by banning all abortion, that lie, rather than just turning over the states. And it'samazing, given the propaganda about what Trump PERSON's views are on abortion, because that's central issue for a lot of young women and not so much married women, but the concerns about safety, whether it's on the campus or whether it's in your neighborhood or whether it's abroad, have now whittled down that. And so why is that important? Because Donald Trump PERSON has won the male vote.If you look at those polls and you predicate them on particular minorities, the reason that Latinos are 50-50 or 48-52 is because it's about 70% male Latinos. And the reason that blacks in general are 22% in the polls for Trump is that's about 40% males. And the main thing that people don't talk about is he has lost the white male vote. The white male vote despises Joe Biden and maybe the Democrats NORP in general for a lot of reasons. But, you know, they don't like to be accused of being white supremacists, white privilege, white rage.They don't like the idea that race is going to be considered in contracts for, you know, blue-collar workers, construction firms, admissions, retentions, etc. Hiring. They don't like the constant January 6 libels and smears. And so they've lost them and they don't like the boutique issues of transgenderism smears. And so they've lost them. And they don't like the boutique issues of transgenderism and all that. So they've lost them at a huge rate.It's almost 65% of white males will never vote Democratic and are not going to vote for Joe Biden PERSON. So what in Vinny not, Jack PERSON, is he had no margin of error. And what he relied to counteract that because he had lost the white male vote in 2020, he thought that they could counteract that. And he was right about that. They could counteract that by getting a 70 or maybe 85, 15 black vote and maybe a 60-40 Latino vote and maybe a 65, 35-35 CARDINAL women vote. And he can't now. He can't. That it's not enough for him to win the black vote or the Latino NORP vote. He has to win them by extraordinary margins to make upfor the fact that he's lost the male vote in general and the white male in particular. And he can't do that. And that's why these pollsters are getting very glum. And you're starting to see now a panic as the Democratic NORP and liberal movement shifts gears. They don't believe anymore that Joe Biden can run on his agenda, that he'll be nominated, that he'll advance the Chicago in Chicago. He'll outline the agenda. And he said, I like what I've done on the border.I like what we are doing on crime. I like our foreign policy. Our energy. Evie PERSON mandates are great. And I'm going to run on that. They just think it's not going to happen and that Trump PERSON is going to win.So they have two fallback positions. A, they believe that Alvin Bragg and Latita James PERSON and Jack Smith in concert with what Latita James has done will do three things. They will bankrupt Donald Trump PERSON and keep him in terms of time off the campaign trail and therefore severely hamper his campaign. Two, they will wear him out.You look at it, he's sleepy now. That's the narrative. They'll wear him out physically, psychologically, financially, and he will either crack or be worn out and act, you know, sort of like Biden PERSON. They'll destroy him, in other words, through this ordeal. That's number two. Or three, they will start to win some indictments and they will put Donald Trump PERSON in jail.And while he gets more empathetic and sympathetic, the more that they've torment him, they believe there's a shelf life to that. And once he's actually in jail, your suburban women, minorities, rhinos will say, well, Biden's awful, and they've done a really injustice to Trump PERSON, but I don't want to tell people I'm voting for a president that's in jail. Whatever he did or didn't do or however unfair, the fact is he's in jail. That's the whole world is going to see a president in jail. Whatever he did or didn't do or however unfair, the fact is he's in jail. The whole world is going to see a president in jail, in jail, in jail. That's their strategybecause they cannot win on the merits is what I'm trying to say. And I don't know if it's going to work or not, but that's what they're trying to do. Destroy him psychologically and physically, put him in jail to drain off his support, and keep him off the campaign trail and bankrupt him.

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Yeah. On the, we don't have crystal ball, Victor PERSON, but I think we could be in August of 2024 and look back at the quiet days of early May when you and I were talking. 24 and look back at the quiet days of early May when you and I were talking and the potential, I won't say the curse word, but curse word show that could be happening across America GPE. Are these riots in the campuses?Well, riots. Yeah, they are rights. A sign of greater things to come on that degree. Well, wait to Chicago.

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These people think they're playing, replaying not just 220, 2020, the glory days of the destruction of Antifa and BLM when they caused 2 billion in damages, killed 35, arson, all that. They love that, but they think that they're the inheritors of 19, Bill Ayers showed up at one of them and Mernadine Dorn. So they think they're replaying 1968. And key to that paradigm is showing up where in Chicago? At the, where, the Democratic Convention? And they're saying, wow, we're going to be, we're going to outdo the generation of 68. So yes. And what is going to happen? Whether they like it or not, Netanyahu PERSON is going to run for re-election. And he cannot win unless he, A, gets the hostages back, or B, destroys Hamas ORG. I don't think he's going to get the hostages back, to be honest, because to do so he's going to have to give so many concessions and let thousands of killers and murderers out that have killed Israelis and Jews NORP.I'm not sure he can do it. And number two, I don't know how many, I don't think anybody knows how many hostuses are alive. They won't give a list because they have executed and tortured and killed a lot of them. But one thing he's going to do is destroy Hamas ORG. And that means going into Gaza GPE. And when he does that, this is going to thing he's going to do is destroy Hamas. And that means going into Gaza. And when he does that, this is going to, there's going to be violence as we, I know the universities are going to be out.And it'll be very interesting because the universities will be and, you know, there won't be very many people in summer sessions. So these riots are going to shift toward the street. And there's going to be more Middle Eastern activists and hardcore Antifa BLM ORG people and less students just because the students will be home with their parents. And I think that, you know, June, July, August, and especially in Chicago, it's going to be a nightmare of street thuggery. Just like 2020, that's going to be the effort. And it's really going to hurt Biden PERSON, who himself told the nation that if you're president and there's riots in the street, it's your fault. He had a little cute tweet about that, you know, in 2020.It's Trump PERSON.

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And we'll see. I think we're getting to the point that I think everybody listening should see that the unimaginable is becoming likely that something, if this 10 point CNN poll is correct, and it's pretty left wing, and they get into August, and it's 10 to 12 points down, and there's rioting in the streets, I think they're going to have to open the convention

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up and release his delegates, super delegates. And then they're going to have to say, you know what, we're going to have an open convention, we're going to vote. And we like Camel, and it's her turn, but she didn't get enough votes. So we have to go with Ben Shapiro or Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsom PERSON or someone like that. And I don't think it's going to work at that late.We've talked about before, it's kind of like the Eagleton Vice President goes to Sergeant Shriver from McGovern late in the campaign season, 1972. That wrecked what was left of the McGovern PERSON campaign anyway. So I don't think that'll work, but I think they're going to have to do something like that. And that's assuming that this geometric rate of decline on the part of Biden PERSON doesn't get even worse. But when he's giving the medal of freedom and he says the freedom of metal, And he just, he can't even finish the sentence.It's getting worse. So I, we're going to see things that we've never imagined before in the next few months as far as this election. And then the election itself, I predict, is going to be so fraught with contesting claims and allegations of voter fraud and trying, it's going to be a nightmare. It really is. Because this time the Republicans and the conservatives know what the left's going to do. And they're going to try to stop it and they're going to try to watch it.They're going to have ballot watchers. And this time there's going to be a sizable number of minority voters. Many of them who work in government in cities like Chicago, but more importantly, like Las Vegas, like Phoenix, like Atlanta, like Detroit, Milwaukee GPE, that are going to be in charge of voting. And not all of them this time around are going to be left-wing Biden PERSON supporters. And if they see irregularities, they may report it in a way that didn't happen in 2020.And that's going to be, that's going to lead to turmoil. Yeah.

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While our cities will likely be in flames at the same time. Well, Victor PERSON, we've come to the end of your boatload of wisdom sharing here. It's just been terrific. Thanks for all you've done and all you've shared today. Thank our listeners, no matter what platform you listen to this podcast on, we do appreciate it. Those who listen on Apple can rate rate the show at 0 to 5 CARDINAL stars. And practicallyeveryone does give Victor 5 stars, those who don't blame the bumbling co-host, but that's life. Here's one comment from Apple ORG. It's a title, absolutely, positively, outstanding as always. Thank you, and God PERSON bless you, sincerely. Ed C. Algonquin, Illinois GPE. And he writes,go back, a 60s classic rock song by Craby Appleton PERSON, which we talked about on the show.

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I remember that. I remember that. He's a group called Craby Appleton PERSON. I remember that.

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He's a good catch. All the best of the entire VD.H. team. And that's Ed C. Algonquin. And one comment from a reader and a subscriber to your website, the Blade of Perseus, George, and we had talked about a Bakersfield on a recent podcast, Rector PERSON, and he wrote Bakersfield GPE, lousy air, but the best people. Retired here seven years ago because of family who lived here for years. Love it. A red bubble of sanity afloat on a sea ofblue California absurdity. City government, the courts and the PD ORG seem to do their jobs, have lived in both L.A. and San Francisco GPE and cannot believe what has happened to them. Pray this city can hold the line against the madness. That is George. We thank you. Thank you, George. We should remember that there's

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40, almost 41 million despite the bleeding exodus from California, and 15 million of them are conservative. That's only about a third, not quite a third, but, but when you go above San Francisco into thinly inhabited northern California, and you go into the Sierra LOC and the foothills thinly inhabited, and you go to the southern half of the San Joaquin Valley, and you go to the Inland Empire moving toward Arizona and Nevada GPE,you get the most conservative voters in the nation, and there's 10 million of them. So in one way, there's California. Then there's little lead state California that's more like Oklahoma or Wyoming GPE or Arkansas as far as its voters are even more conservative than them.

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