Ep326 - Brody Grant: He's Got Great Expectations

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Hi, I'm Brodie Grant. You're listening to the theater podcast with Alan Seals PERSON.

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Hey, everyone, welcome back to an all-new episode of the theater podcast

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as we continue are The Outsiders Takeover WORK_OF_ART here on the pod. This episode is with Brody Grant PERSON, pony boy Curtis PERSON himself, who is now experiencing such a whirlwind of emotion in a situation that I can only imagine being in, well, growing up and feeling like an outsider himself,dealing with his own version of the Sochas PERSON and the greasers, he turned to a book as mom gave him because she was obsessed with it. Yeah, you guessed it. It was the outsiders. So he read through it, identifying with Pony Boy, especially and all the other characters in it,as so many other young people do, and combined with finally finding a chosen family in the theater at his school, he was able to start to feel like he fit in. He just received a Tony PERSON nomination for this role, right? In The Outsiders WORK_OF_ART, right? Well, guess what outsiders obsessed family membergot to wake him up to tell him this phenomenal news? I bet you can guess, but this story is best heard from Brody PERSON himself, so let's get right into it. Find me on the socials, share the podcast with a friend, and make sure to check out all the other podcasts in the feed near this one for other content from the show. And now everyone, please enjoy this episode with Brody Grant PERSON.

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Today's guest is a New York GPE-based multi-hyphenate

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independent recording artist who has appeared in productions,

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including parade at the New York City Center and The Outsiders at La Jolla GPE. He just made his Broadway debut in The Outsiders as Pony Boy Curtis PERSON, which has already nabbed him at Tony Award WORK_OF_ART nomination for best performance by an actor in a leading role in a musical. And I asked some of his childhood friends if they thought he'd be a successful Broadway actor. And they said they all had great expectations for Brody Grant PERSON. Welcome to the theater podcast.You better sing, Alan PERSON.

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You better vocalize on this podcast.

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That's right.

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Listen, I like your take on great expectations.

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It really is.

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It's something, and that's a reason why I am on this side of the microphone,

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and you're on that side actually singing it.

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So we'll go ahead.

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But where did you actually grow up? Because it says New York

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based, but is that like New York GPE proper? New York based now. But yeah, I was actually born in Michigan. I lived in Michigan, like very, very, very top of the state. Not quite Canada GPE, but like not far from the upper peninsula. Kind of like dirt road living, honestly. Rapid City GPE is the name of the place I was from.

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And it's very, I mean, when you read the book, The Outsiders WORK_OF_ART, it's very east side of Tulsa GPE adjacent. You know, it's like that type of thing. You know, around the area is also another place called Calcasco GPE, which is where I drive into to go to school. And not a lot of arts opportunity there.And so I moved to Georgia, actually, when I was nine.

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And that's kind of where I really got into singing and acting and songwriting. That was when I moved to Georgia. So I'm kind of from both of those places. You know, I went to high school in Georgia. So I did a lot of growing up there. But at the same time, you know, have a lot of family at Michigan GPE.

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So when you said you moved to Georgia and like got in the singing songwriting and stuff, but were you playing guitar? I mean, what was the impetus for the very beginning to either start singing or start performing or even just pick up a guitar in the first place?

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The impetus was actually all thanks to John Williams PERSON. I was a really big Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fan.

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I still like Star Wars WORK_OF_ART a lot. I still love Star Wars and especially love the music in it. And my mom was always the first grade teacher, who still is to the day.

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And we're walking down the hallway one morning and is in Michigan GPE. And I'm like singing in a boy soprano, like the main motif from Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. And all of a sudden, this old woman wearing a yellow sweater walks out of her room. And it's like, is that you singing? That little boy, is that you singing?I'm like, I think so. I don't really know if I'm really singing. I'm kind of just like booting away. But like, if you want to call it that, for Scherisky PERSON, and my mom was like, yes, that's him singing. And her name was Miss Adios, the lady that stepped down and asked me,you know, and called me over.

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So you mean, like you were singing the bum, bum, bum, bum, bu, blah, like that.

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No, no, no. Oh, right, right, right, right.

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Boy, full boy soprano.

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Yeah, she brought me into her music room. She sat me down by the piano. My mom's there. I speak like, you have a really nice voice. And I want you to sing this solo for this Christmas recital. And I was like, real?Me? She's like, yeah. And she was like, you can use the words, but I really, really want you to sing. I was like, I don't know why, but sure. I was like, I was like, okay, yeah, I'll do it, whatever. You know, and it's very interesting because I don't remember actually experiencing nerves when I was that little.I just really didn't know what it was all about. But anyways, I sang the song at this recital. And afterwards, I mean, I must have been five or six. I had people coming up to me, you know, parents of the other kids. And I had men going up and shaking my hand and crying. And that was something that I was not used to.Really? I just like, yeah, it just was not part of this community. You have to think it's like, I'm telling you, like, they're a road living. Like this, just not, the arts is not really something that is like the cool thing. At least it wasn't then. I didn't feel like it then.But like to have that happen and to have men be openly emotional that way come up to me and be weeping and say, thank you for your performance and this and that. I was just like, you know, it's funny because now when that happens, I'm very honored, you know, because it means someone saw, you know,someone was moved. But back then, I didn't, again, I didn't understand what it was. I was like under the impression that I hurt their feelings. I'm never going to sing ever again.

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Oh, no.

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I made them cry.

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Yes.

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So I made a vow.

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I remember I went to Burger King at night with my family.

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We all sat down. And I told you I was into Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. I think they got me a gift. I think my grandpa got me a Darth Mall action figure. It was sitting at this Burger King with my family. And I was just like, you know, I know you guys loved it, but I'm never doing that again. And they were like, oh, no, like,this is the ultimate, like, bus kill. They were like, okay. I, yeah, I genuinely thought that I... The happy cry. Yeah, it was also like, I think I genuinely thought that I... The happy cry. Yeah, it was also like, I think I was really shy and didn't know it. And, you know, so I was a little bit maybe scared of that as well. You know, for a long time, I was, even as a kid, you know, a little bit, didn't know how to live in my own skin.And so, you know, that was kind of one of those moments where, you know, someone comes up to you and says good job. And it's like, I was so shy that I didn't even know how to handle it. So I was like, I'm not going to let myself be seen in that way. And I moved to Georgia, I think three, four years after that, even though it's funny, when you're a kid, it feels like, feels like those nine years were like, was like a whole lifetime.

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I mean, I felt like those years are so long.

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Anyways, we moved to Georgia. I kind of am like, I was a depressed kid for a lot of time because I didn't really have a thing. And it was a bit, maybe a bit self-imposed, you know, like I said, I was like, I'm not going to sing. I'm not going to sing. But I didn't really enjoy sports. I'd enjoy Boy Scouts ORG.And I was trying different stuff. And I just, I don't know, I just had a lot of trouble. Had a lot of trouble making friends. I was just that kid with my hood up. And I mean, even my parents would be like Brody PERSON. Like we'd go to an Applebee's and, you know, order a burger or whatever.And it's like, they were just like when you, when you make an order to your server, you know, you need to look at them in the eyes. Wow. And I could not do it. Like I was definitely, I was like afraid to live like live. Like it was so weird.I was a kid that really, really struggled. And so it was really my sister who could always, was always musically inclined, always was a really, really naturally hard worker, naturally academically, very savvy. You know, I was just like, she's better at everything in me, you know, and I still look at my sister this day, and I'm like, she's a badass, you know, she's really, she's amazing person. Older sister? Yeah, older sister, my three years. You know, she kept doing, she's amazing person. Older sister? Yeah, older sistermy three years. You know, she kept doing what she loved. She was in the plays. She was doing choir. And eventually we got to a point where my mom was like, you have to find something that you like. I had stopped doing sports. I had stopped doing boy scouts. I was just like, don't like it, don't like it, don't like it. And my mom was like, you got to do something. You got to do something. So I was like, okay, I'm going to try choir.Try that. My mom was like, it still doesn't take up enough of your extracurricular time. And she's the first grade teacher, you know, so I was coming over, I was walking over from the middle school back to the elementary school and just, you know, she's got to do all her lesson plans and stuff. I'm sitting there, you know, just swittling my phones, you know, just doing nothing.

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She's like, you've got to find something.

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And so she encouraged me to audition for the play, my sixth grade, which was Tutuil Jr. PERSON, director,

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Evelyn Kumo, my multiple teacher this day is an amazing woman.

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And I auditioned, and I couldn't admit it to myself, but I was having time of my life. I mean, I was just like really enjoying playing pretend and being a monkey. I was a Waker Shand ORG brother, you know?

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What's funny is that God works in mysterious ways.

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The vision for the Wickersham PERSON brothers in that production of Susical Jr. was all the monkeys were, we were all greases. Yeah. So I was like this little boy with a mohawk, bunch of gel, and a white t-shirt, baggy jeans, black converse, and this, like, leather jacket vest from Party City ORG.

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You know, I was, you know, I was a greaser.

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That's how I started. You know, this whole outsider's thing, it's death in it.

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So there's like, is there like a cat in the hat secretly hidden on set somewhere?

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They're, you know, you got to pay a lot. Even when we were in the Hoyer FAC doing the out of town, there was a room, a rehearsal room labeled suits. And I was like, this man is following me. Follow me everywhere I go.

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Wow. Wow. Yeah. Okay, so five or six years old and your Burger King ORG. You know, everyone who's there is like, you're a star, you're a star. And you're like, nope, sorry, I'm out.And then you walk away from this, move to Georgia. Yeah, not being able to even look at your server in the eye. That, okay, very introspective, very just having a hard time. And then you become a monkey and your life has changed

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from there. And when did you realize, and I mean, joking aside, like being a monkey, just pretending you weren't yourself for a little bit, is that kind of what popped you out of whatever funk you were in? Or like, was it the next thing that happened after that? Because, you know, you find a chosen family. And we're going to get to the literal and the metaphorical family that the outsider's cast has built together because all of you are just soincredible and seemed like such good humans. But when you were doing Susical, Susical Jr. PERSON, right?

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So was it the family? Was it the performing? Like, do you remember about this time? Like,

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what kind of flipped the switch? I remember two things. One, knowing that I had my people. One, knowing that I had my people. Even though I was weird and I had trouble making eye contact with people, and I was very nervous and shy and very insecure. Finally, I had my people. And to know, all of them felt like how I felt.We were all outsiders in our own right.

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Yeah.

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But then you take, it was a group of outsiders and we're no longer, you know, so scared. So there's that, you know, which is, I mean, a theme that follows me throughout my life. Really, I love the arts because of the people, you know, and getting to do it with them, you know, and create something, collaborate. There's that. There's also, like, and I've always thought this way, playing you know, and create something, collaborate. There's that. There's also, like, and I've always thought this way, playing a character, playing a role, it doesn't matter what it is.I mean, it could be Pony Boy Curtis. It could be Frank Jr. in Catch Me WORK_OF_ART as a kid at my high school.

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It could be, I don't know, understudying Pepper and Mamma Mia WORK_OF_ART.

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Like, it could be, or, uh, sky. I always learn something from the character that I play. Yeah.

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I always become best friends with whoever that is.

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And I'm like, okay. And I learned that that's all inside of me. So playing this Wickersham PERSON brother, I think I was number three. I don't know. But like, I learned that I can have fun.And that part of me was maybe a little bit an adult for some reason. I guess when I moved, I was, you know, it made me sad. But yeah, I mean, just that simple thing of like, yeah, I just had the time of my life.Even thinking back now, I mean, we were just doing it on the elementary school stage. We didn't have a stage at our middle school. But I was just like, wow, this is so fun. And I'm having so much fun. And I'm outputting a lot of energy. It was a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful experience.I wouldn't change it for the world.

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I say it's misfits. It's, it's, I mean, outsiders misfits. It's all in their synonyms.

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And I've always said that acting, acting performing, it's always your chosen family and it's a merry band of misfits. And where you don't fit anywhere else, everyone fits together. And you're

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exactly right, been there too. And ironically, maybe on erroneically, I don't fit anywhere else, everyone fits together. And you're exactly right, been there too. And ironically, well, maybe on ironically, I don't know. When I was around nine, nine and a half, I can't actually remember how old I was exactly. But I did a major move too from Florida to North Carolina GPE. Oh, yeah.

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It was a, my dad changed jobs. And I blamed him for this incredible unhappiness. I was, I was just, I was miserable. And literally for four months, I pretended he didn't exist. That's how I internalized it. I blamed him for everything.Everything. And that was, I was moving North Carolina GPE where I was the weird one because I didn't have an accent, right?

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So it's like, everyone's like, wow.

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How you're doing?

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You're the new kid? And I'm like, hi, yes, my name's Alan PERSON. They're like, whoa, you talk funny. Because they don't hear that in real life. Yeah.

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And then finally, it was from my mom. My mom broke down and was like, you got to talk to your dad. This is driving us crazy. And I was like, oh, dude. I realized, I was like, fine, fine, fine, fine. And I never made the connection until just now telling this story that I started chorusat the same time. Shit, man. Crazy. That was it. That was it that snapped me out. Wow.

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Beautiful.

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Yeah.

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Singing, the singing and the dancing. And then from there, I was like, well, if I can sing like this, maybe I can sing like that. And then I can act.

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And then it was just kind of this snowball thing. And then you find your friends. You find your friends in a way that I got. Oh, dude. I am so glad you told that story because I do.

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Yeah, it looks like you're kind of like reliving it.

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Yeah, it's a little epiphany in my own life.

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That's funny. That's funny. Yeah, the artists can really save people's lives, like, truly.

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I mean, it's, I'm, and the outsiders, this is a great example of that. I mean, at the end, when he is like so moved, that it's like, what else is there to

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do accept do what is inside of him instinctually, which is write it down.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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There's, there's a couple of people. I mean, this is, I've done 350-something episodes now on this podcast over almost six years. Thanks. Five and a half, six years. And there have been a handful of people who have said performing literally saved their life.

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So the outsiders, bringing it full circle, I guess. So you became a greaser as a monkey. You were a greaser monkey, which is so cool. But yeah, were you, did you read the subject material to get to read the book at all when you were actually in middle school or high school? Yes.

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It might have been in the advanced curriculum in seventh grade, which I was not a part of. So I didn't read it in middle school. I did read it in high school. My mom, this book, this movie specifically was her everything. I mean, she had Rob Lowe and Tommy Howell PERSON and Matt Dillonand everybody in that cast up on her locker. Wow. And so she's been a fan of The Outsiders WORK_OF_ART for a long time. I told Susie Hitting the author of the novel, I was like, I was like, yo, my mom was convinced that she was going to marry Tommy Howell PERSON.

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It's so funny.

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It was beautiful. She gave me the book when I was 14. I was a freshman at high school. And I was still kind of, I mean, if I'm being honest, like the person that I think I'm supposed to be, I'm still growing into.

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I mean, as we probably all are.

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But like, you know, freshman year of high school,

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I was still kind of afraid.

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You know, I was still afraid to put myself out there, even though I knew I had, you know, when I went to theater, when I went to choir, it was, I was as fast. You know what I mean? I could be myself.I was just like going crazy. Otherwise, I was pretty frozen. It was pretty scared, pretty paralyzed by football team or the rednecks or the preps or whatever. I had my own version of socials. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, you know, the preppy kids was that that was really kind of the coins term. We called them the country club kids.

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The country club kids.

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Yeah, honestly.

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Yeah. But that works too.

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But yeah, I was pretty frozen and it felt pretty sad in those types of scenarios. But yeah, so it was one day after school, freshman year, sitting down on the floor of my science building and I crack open this book that my mom gave me, pattered, horn, annotated with my mom's handwriting. And I was just like, wow. mom gave me, patterned, born, annotated with my mom's handwriting. And I was just like, wow, the way that this character speaks is really, really, really real.It's really like suffering no fools, being very honest. And I like that. I liked that a lot. It just felt so real to me.

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You know, how Pony Point ORG knew, you know, this is all self-imposed, you know, this kind of separation that's going on.

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And I was feeling that a lot. And to hear that in his voice, I was like, dang, it's real. I just, I really understood him. And I understood the brothers, too. I was just like, so moved. But that memory had stuck in my mind for a long time.When I first heard about The Outsiders musical, it was 2019, actually. Yeah. And I auditioned for a role that is in the book, no longer in the musical, and didn't get far at all. But when I got that audition, I was like, wait a second, well, let me look at this. And I went looking at the outsiders again, and that memory from my high school just reappeared in my brain. I was like, oh my gosh, I could see 14-year-old me reading that book.It's just crazy because you never know why those small types of moments stay with you until suddenly you're doing a podcast from Alan PERSON and your dressing room for the outside. You never know. Life is crazy.

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You said you heard about it in 2019. Oh, right. Didn't Sky ORG? I remember talking to you at the press at the press junket, and I think you were friends with Sky ORG Lakota Lynch and Sky had auditioned and then had told you you needed to audition too. Is that the story? Is that how you got connected to it?

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No, it was like that first audition came around, which Sky was involved with in that one, in that production, which was before Gagne and Tamor PERSON came on board.

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Yeah.

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You know, I auditioned for that. Didn't get far. They were set to do a production at the Goodman Theater in Chicago and it didn't end up happening because obviously, the pandemic.

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So I, in my head was like, dang, if the outsiders comes back around, I really believe in that.

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I really, really wants to be a part of that. I really want to, I mean, I had heard some of, really want to be a part of that. I really want to, I mean, I had heard some of the demos, some of the music. I was, this is really excellent, you know, because truth be told, I was kind of starting, my interests were starting to become more about acting and singing and songwriting as separate. You know, I was really getting into cinema and films and also songwriting and doingjust records, just cutting records. But the outside of still piqued my interests. You know, at the same time, I was listening to Frank Ocean and the Lumineers ORG and Daniel Caesar. I was like, oh, but that great expectation song is really sick.

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This was from Jamestown Revival ORG, their demos?

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Yeah, it was like in the audition, you could like, they had like plunk tracks.

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Oh, cool.

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You know, and you could just kind of, they're super bare bones, but you can still tell when a song is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You're right.

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Wow, it's so interesting to reflect on all this. But anyways, didn't go far. But I was like, okay, if it comes back around, if it comes back around, I really want to be a part of it. Finally, it comes back around. And I'm at a point where I'm like, I'm not into it anymore. I'm really just ready to focus on music solely. In some ways, I'm grateful because that meant I went to that audition kind of being a little bit, not careless, but free. Just like, you know what? This is all, this is me.It's all I got. And I walked in there, it's a dance call. And it's like I'm a little boy amongst an army of Trojan NORP warriors.

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Like, there's no way I'm getting this.

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I'm looking at all the other people here that were asked to come dance. I'm like, there's no way. There's just no way. Sure enough, I get that call back. And I was like, there's no way. There's just no way. Sure enough, I get that call back. And I was like, okay, great. And I was actually called back for Soda Pop PRODUCT.Yeah.

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For a different role.

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And I went, did that. Again, I knew I was like, okay, I look like a little boy compared to all these people. But I did that audition, and it went really, really well. And I specifically remember working with Donya Tameur PERSON, the director, and just being like, wow, what an amazing artist. And what a collaborative room.Like Adam Rapp, this amazing, amazing book writer, playwriter, Justin Levine PERSON, who worked on Mulan Rouge WORK_OF_ART, which was such an impactful movie to me. James Town Revival ORG, this sick indie folk band, like, that reminds me a lot of the music that I would listen to in Georgia, you know, that a lot of my friends would listen to. I was like, I mean, this is just amazing.What an honor to be here. And I kind of walked away. I went and I was staying with a friend in Hell's Kitchen FAC at the time. I walked toward their apartment. I go up there and like, how to go? How to go?I was like, honestly, it's not going to happen. I'm not going to get it. But hopefully, I think I'll probably work with some of that creative team one day. Because I really, really felt like I clicked with all over. But I don't think I'm going to get this. The week goes by, get a call.You got it. I was like, for real? Like, yeah. I got S, for real? Like, yeah. I got Sotomopop? Yes. No, where.Just crazy. I called my mom. She freaks because, you know, the outside is just so special to her. And then we did like a six week workshop. I played Soto Pop ORG. It was really, really fun.And then I got, I literally have a contract somewhere in my phone that says for La Hoya Playhouse, you know, for me to play Soto Pop ORG, et cetera, et cetera. So, okay, let's go. But then, Donya PERSON text me, she's like, hey, yo, I need to talk to, they're auditioning for, they're looking for pony boys at the time. She asked me up like, hey, oh, can you meet for copy? I'm like, yeah, for sure. When we go to Greg's on around 34th FAC, which is

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a very, very special Greg's coffee shop to me, I've had a lot of amazing memories in that coffee shop.

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I go there, I say, oh, hey, it's nice to see you. And then she's like, so, pony board. Yeah, what about him? She's like, I really want you to audition. For real? It's like, yes really want you to audition. For real?It's like, yes, because I know that when you first auditioned, you were interested in auditioning for Pony Boy as well as Soda Pop PRODUCT.

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Yes.

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And in the Zoom PRODUCT audition, I told them, I was like, yeah, I'd really like to work on the Pony Boy PRODUCT stuff. I knew that great expectation song, and I was like, that thing is a beautiful piece. That's like, to be or not to be set to Frank Ocean and Lumineers ORG combined. I want to do that.We worked on it, got soda pop. But now it came around and she was like, I watched that Zoom PRODUCT audition. And I want you to come in for final callbacks for this. And this is where Sky ORG comes in. This is where I text Sky ORG. I'm like, bro, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it right. You are literally the Johnny Kate PERSON.I need your help. Can we please work on these scenes, these sides? He's like, absolutely. So get into my apartment in Harlem LOC at the time. And he worked on it with me. We're just kind of just hung out, talked about it, and the rest of history.You know, here we are. He was already cast as Johnny Cade PERSON.

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Oh, yeah.

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He was, he was Johnny Cade PERSON.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He was John Cade PERSON, even in that production that was going to go to the good bit. Right.

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Right, right.

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Yeah, he was in it, yeah, like nine years ago. You know, something. I remember him that, I remember him saying that now. He's been a part of it for six years, which is really impressive.

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Yeah, that's insane. Well, okay. So here you are, one Tony PERSON nomination later, after not thinking you were going to get the role that you didn't even, that you actually got casted and then didn't get because you now are a pony boy. So, right.

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Make the switch. Where were you, where were you when you found out you got nominated the other day?

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I was in my bed.

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I was kind of,

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this has been a dream to be a part of this community

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and to be a part of the Tony PERSON's is a dream.

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I remember when I watched,

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the first time I ever watched the Tonys WORK_OF_ART all the way through

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was the Hamilton year.

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And I was just so inspired.

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And I was just like, I want to be part of that.

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Cynthia Arrivo PERSON, seeing I'm here, I was like, that is everything to me.

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I knew how important it was to me. And so I was trying to just take it real easy and have a lot of grace for myself. I knew that the Tony Awards EVENT were going to air their nominations at like 9 a.m. So like, okay, I'm going to schedule my therapy for 10 a.m. Because I'm because I really want to, and I stand by this, whether it was we were part of it, I was a part of it or not, need to be able to handle that and be grounded and really be able to reflect oneverything. And so I had my alarm set for 9.45. I'm like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to watch the stream. I'm just going to, you know, focus on therapy. And if something good happens, I'll find out. I wake up at 8.50 from a FaceTime call from my mom, which was a real surprise to me because I was like, wait a second. Wait a second. They're airing these later. What could she possibly be calling me about? But I pick up the phone and there she is with her platoon of first grade teachers. And she's obviously going through something. I'm like, hey, Mom PERSON. Mom, what's good? She's like, Brody PERSON, Brody PERSON, did you watch the?And I was like, no way. I was like, no, I didn't. They still, don't they air at nine?

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She's like, yeah, but they already announced. She said, you got nominated for a Tommy WORK_OF_ART.

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And I was like, oh my God. She starts freaking out. All her friends around her are like screaming and crying. It was beautiful, man. I mean, it was, there's, I wouldn't have had it any other way.

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Oh, the fact that she was able to tell me, what people don't see is the almost, you know,

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they don't see the close calls. They don't see the times where you don't hit the mark. What people are able to see on social media, whether it's good or bad, it's always taken out of context. It's always singled out, right? But my mom has seen me through everything. I mean, through the times where I was really excited.She's seen me in times where I was going through serious suicidal ideation. She's seen me through it all for her to be able to tell me that the wildest dream, the wildest dream came true. I would not trade that for the world. I mean, that was like, it was a beautiful moment. So I will never, ever, ever, ever forget that. That's for sure.Sorry to get like Rio EVENT right quick, but I mean, it's true. You know, this, it's been a journey. And it continues to be a journey, giving to this character, pony boy and the show and, you know, working with the cast. It continues to be an ever-evolving thing. It's a living, breathing organism.So, yeah, that was the moment. I was asleep.

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My mom woke me up. Oh, that's beautiful.

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And it was, it was truly amazing, man. It was, wow, wow.

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Well, much deserved, much deserved.

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I turned to the person I was, I went to go see the show with immediately when it was over. And I was like, that's going to get nominated. That performance right there is a nomination performance right there. So I called it. I believe in it. I believe in you.You deserve it. Every bit of it. It's amazing. Thank you, man. I really appreciate that. I really appreciate that because belief is everything. Like, for someone to believe in you,

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it's everything. So thank you for that. Of course. Time for a quick commercial break. Hang on a

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The whole cast, and this is, this leads me to what I talked about at the very beginning was the chosen family, the actual, the real love and the friendship that all of you guys have, the cast all of you have for each other now. You know, I talked with, with Danya Tymour PERSON. She was the couple episodes ago now. Oh, dope.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And she was telling me about the rehearsal process, which I didn't know about until she brought it up. Is it like every old, actually Emma Pittman PERSON, I talked to her. She said that during the audition, Donnie would sit down and just like, before you did any scene work or anything, you just talk, get to know you,just like kind of lower the inhibition a little bit. But then for everybody, once you got cast, an hour, every rehearsal you would come in, you would check in, you would be, you know, say, you didn't have to tell each other what was going on. You were just like, you understand that everyone's got a past,everyone's got issues or happiness or whatever outside of the rehearsal room, and you're all checking in and you're feeling each other's energy. And literally like, you want a hug? No, that's cool. You want a massage? Cool.No? All right. And like, the way that she was describing this process was just normalizing the ability to talk about how you feel. And then I think normalizing the ability to bring to the surface, what society on an everyday basis has conditioned us to try to hide.Mm-hmm.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's true.

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I mean, it's, yeah. I was on the subway the other day, and I was just looking around, and I was like, isn't it crazy? Like, we're all just trying to hide the fact that we're all going through something. Every single one of them. Like, all of us reading a book, looking at our phone, I was thinking, I'm like, what was a subway like in like 1993?You don't have like cell phones like that yet. Like, I want to know what that was like. Was the subway at social experience? I want to know. I mean, yeah, it's a beautiful thing what Donya PERSON created. The mirroring exercises that we would do. Yeah.The warmups, sometimes physical warmups with the Coopermans PERSON, with Telly M. Krieger PERSON, who is the associate choreographer and also is in the show as ace. And Donya PERSON's warm-ups to a really organic way of making something. It's so easy in theater for it to get competitive and to get for people to get me. You know, I've experienced that, I mean, not just like in life.You know what I mean? In life generally, it's just easy for that to happen. You know, comparison, competitiveness, I mean, not just like in life, you know what I mean, in life generally. It's just easy for that to happen. You know, comparison, competitiveness, yada, yada. When you do start the day with that type of like just checking in someone, simply looking in someone's eyes, which is crazily such a rare day. Yeah. Nothing like it.I really, really respect, Tonya PERSON for creating a process that allows us to do that. Because she understands that the outsider is just a heavy piece. You know,there's a lot going on. There's moments of levity. You know, there's laughs for sure. I feel that. But they're neededbecause these people are going through some. A year before the play has even begun, 20 boys at 13 lost his parents. Yeah.

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Like, it's crazy.

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So, yeah, she's amazing because she really respects everyone. I mean, in all creative categories, but like she really understands that the actor is, you know, I'm not saying any of us are method. It's not it, but like we arethinking about how we relate to these characters day and day off.

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I think she probably consciously in her own mind, but created this unconscious way for all of you who need to be bonded beyond words to actually be bonded in real life.

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Because that's what I was telling her was that when I was watching the scene, part of why

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I walked away from the show, from the outsider, saying, you know, all these performances,

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Tony PERSON nominated performances, yes, yes, yes. But the show itself is at a level integrated. The dance with the set, with the lights, with the book, with the performances are all integrated at a level that I haven't seen in a very long time. Because, and it goes again to the waythat the creative team was encouraged to think outside their lanes, to everyone to work together and the cast to check in and create these bonds and to look each other in the eye and to feel each other on a way, an unconscious way within our brains that I think a lot of people don't get

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unless you are a literal family because you don't have the ability to go like to say what you really mean and then get forgiven. And then, like, the next five minutes, you're playing video games again or whatever the case is, right?

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Like, the fact that you can't leave family for the most part, you know, they say you don't have to like your family, but you love your family. And it's, I think it's kind of less way with all of the guys on stage, especially like the, the greasers, all of you and the three brothers. I mean, you guys are all, like you all appear so close and, God, just Brent Comer PERSON, the way he literallytakes care of you guys on stage.

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It is, it is

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beautiful and it's touching and I can tell that he cares about you guys in real life, you know? Like all of you, I mean, talk on that a little bit. You guys just seem like you're great, you are just such a great team and great friends.

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Man, it's, it's a beautiful thing. I can tell you it's really like a God thing, a fate thing, a universe thing, the fact that Brent is playing Daryl PERSON. When we were in La Jolla GPE, I was going through some stuff with my family. And as everyone does with their family, you know, you have your good days, your bad days. But I was going through a hard time.And Brent was actually not playing Darrell at the time, but he was playing Paul PERSON in, he was the one that I kind of confided in and talked to about that kind of stuff, because he really understood. He had a similar background and upbringing, and he was just like artist, artist, person to person. He was just kind of there really understood.I was very reassuring, and was, Gagio PERSON, what you said, caring. That pretty much sums it all up. I mean, he became Darrell PERSON, and I'm like, yeah, he needed to be Darrell PERSON. And he doesn't just know me as pony boy. He knows me.Same with Sky ORG. I mean, I remember when we were doing a six-week workshop, when I was playing soda pop, and I was kind of, I was brand new. I really, everyone else in that version, you know, had been in Hamilton GPE and had been in this and that, et cetera, et cetera. And they were amazing.And I was kind of like the kid that was like, what's going on? You know, I was completely, completely newbie. He was kind of was the first person I talked to about that feeling. I was like, man, I just, I barely feel like I belong. I can't remember exactly what I said, but I was like, really struggling. And Sky ORG was there for me.I remember that train ride home very specific, very, very well. Or not afraid to laugh, not afraid to cry with each other. I think that is a gift. Donnie also does a really amazing exercise that she's implemented into our everyday, like our fight call. After a certain amount of routines that we get through, we'll all circle up and weshare some thoughts. And then we do like, you know, just kind of powwow, choose a word, three, two, one, whatever word of it is. And we get to, like, actually see each otherbefore we start.

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It doesn't feel like the job. You know, it feels like we're living all together, physically, literally leaning on each other, you know,

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and just, like, breathing together, breathing out. It's beautiful. It just keeps it grounded in the feeling of,like, we're not just coming here every day to kind of be robots. You know, we're really allowed to be ourselves.

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Well, it shows. It shows, man. Yeah, you guys all have such a camaraderie of a brotherhood that is amazing. And I can, I felt it. I felt it watching you from where I was sitting. It was great, I felt it. I felt it watching you from, from where I was sitting.

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It was great. I love it so much. I mean, it reminds me of in high school, oddly enough, I kind of had a similar thing. A lot of people in their high schools, they don't have a lot of boys to play is, but not. My high school for some reason. And we were like the redneck high school amongst our high schools. Like that was like our, what we were dubbed. But I wasn't and all the guys that joined the theater.They were like all from different walks like across and this and that. And I had a group of those guys. We had a bunch of guys in our group. And it was a very similar thing. I leaned on them. They leaned on me.We were there. And so to be able to kind of have like a, this is like a reincarnated version of that. It's so beautiful, man. It's like, it's a gift.I love it.

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I love it.

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Well, I know we should wrap soon as you can rest your voice for your show tonight. And if you, if you want to indulge me a little bit, I have a little game called plot in 60 seconds. And you give me a number, one through 13. It'll correspond to a show. And you have to little game called plot in 60 seconds. And you give me a numberone through 13. It'll correspond to a show. And you have to give me that plot in 60 seconds. Okay. What if I don't know? What if I don't know?

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Then we, we'll do another one that you know if you don't know it. But I, I bet you'll know

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these. These are all pretty common. Okay. If I don't, if I don't know, do I just like make it up?

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Yeah, you could totally, you can totally make it up.

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All right, so give me a number, 1 through 13.

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11.

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Okay, the Wizard of Oz WORK_OF_ART.

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Go.

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60 seconds remaining.

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Oh my gosh.

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Is 60 seconds?

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Yes. Great. A girl from Kansas GPE, she's like, oh, man, I wonder what it's like in a different place other than this. And then suddenly a tornado hits. And then she suddenly transported to a place that she's never been.

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She lands on top of, her house lands on top of a witch.

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She's like, what the heck? And everyone's cheering. She's like, what the heck? And then another witch who is like kind of Christian Chenoweth PERSON adjacent comes over to her and is like, hey, you need to go see a wizard so you can get home. She's like, got it.

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And she walks down this yellow sidewalk and she meets three guys.

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One made a metal.

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One made a straw. One that's a literal line. And then they're all like, hey, do you want to be friends? And she's like, yeah. And then they all keep going. She's got a dog, by the way.And then there's this other witness that's like, yeah. And then they all keep going. She's got a dog, by the way. And then there's this other...

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15 seconds remaining. And Gina Manzella PERSON adjacent. And she's like, I'm defying gravity.

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And then they defeat her.

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And then they go to the wizard.

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And then he's like, this was all a ruse.

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I'm not actually a wizard.

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But then she gets home somehow by clicking her heels.

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One.

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Redsledgers.

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That's it. I was all in the back. I would have seen that.

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I started with that.

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That was amazing.

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All right.

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Then the three standard closing questions to wrap up every episode now.

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Just very succinctly and quickly, what motivates you?

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What motivates me?

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Wow.

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I mean, love.

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Love of the art.

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Love of the people that I make it with.

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Love it. Okay. What advice would you give to your younger self and younger people listening now

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starting out down a similar path? Oh, just simply keep going. And no matter if you're where

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you want to be right now or later, know that, you know, if you continue to water the seed of the garden that you're in,

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you're going to end up with a forest and it's going to be beautiful.

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But you have to look at where you're at, know where you're at,

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and give everything you got to where you're at.

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All right.

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Last question.

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This is the hardest one.

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If you can only see one show for the rest of your life, but you can see it as many times as you

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want, what would you see?

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You know, I'm going to say, because I hadn't seen it yet, the outsiders.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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All right.

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Where are you on social media?

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Do you play that game?

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Where can we follow you?

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Yeah, I mean, I just use Instagram at Brody underscore Grant FAC.

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I use TikTok as well. I don't really use it that much, but I use Instagram at Brody underscore Grant FAC.

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I use TikTok ORG as well. I don't really use it that much, but I have some oldies, some goodies on there. But yeah, I'm going to release some music at some point. Plan is for the album, you know, after all this crazy stuff is done. This beautiful season is done. You know, that's a plan.So I should be able to find it there.

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All right.

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I can't wait.

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All right. I'm on threads, So, um, should be able to find it there. All right. I can't wait. All right. Um, I'm on threads, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook. Find me there. Leave a reading and review where you are listening. Tell people about the podcast. Tell me just listen to Brody Grant PERSON because damn, this dude's awesome. And Brody, thank you most of all. You have brought the Convo PRODUCT and the love to this episode. I've really enjoyed it. Thank you. Thank you, dude. That was really, really amazing.

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