United Jumpseater Sparks Conflict with SWA, Igniting a Battle for the jumpseat 2024 | Listener in airline training wants advice to manage stress | How to ACE your LOE

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From the Summerland Studios in fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada, this is the Till Winston Sunshine WORK_OF_ART podcast. You know, I don't know if that's your intent and just kind of start the conversation from there, you know, because I've found out that sometimes when you communicate that, the person was not even aware they were doing that. And they'll back off a little bit. Possible pilot deviation. I have a number for you. Advisority coffee.Dude, this triple seven has been really fun to fly. It's honestly just a bigger Amber 175 PRODUCT. But the fact that they were sitting on that runway knowing there was a heavy coming their way, unacceptable.

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The aches I have, I can go on. Number one, when the jet bridge is pulled back and we're ready to push and you guys don't

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have your headsets on. The plan has to be perfect because you can't turn left. We can't turn right. The only way out of that if the pilot gets into a bad spot or if there's something that's like happened at the airport that shuts down a runway, the only way out is up.

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United and Southwest Airlines are in the midst of a full out jump sea war. A FedEx crew lands a 767 in Turkey GPE without the nose gear, giving advice to an airline pilot in training, and your airline check rate is coming up, how to better prepare in what to expect during your line-oriented evaluation or LOE. This and more in today's episode. And now, Isranz ORG Trigger Sal salty boomer captains across the industry.Yours truly, Manny Ramirez PERSON. Time to get it on, no option but to get it on. Mandy PERSON, get it on, everyone. Welcome back to the show. I am so pumped to talk about the stuff I'm going to talk about today. I am fired up, guys.I am mad. I am losing control of my senses. It's just how fired up about this episode I about today. I am fired up, guys. I am mad. I am losing control of my senses as just how fired up about this episode I am today. I, and I think you're going to get just as fired up as I am. So, but first I want to talk about here, I'm back in Vegas GPE. It's really nice to be home. I've been away for about two weeks, three weeks or something or something like that. But I've been away for a while. I've been teaching. I've been flying. I've been been sea subbing i've been doing a lot of stuff here and uh but i'm really happy tobe back my mom is visiting from mexico my aunt um and uh jans back from europe and jepp was back from his vacation and so he's uh it's just nice to have everyone back in here in the house and um you know my mom you know it's going to be good good eating here in the house. And, you know, my mom, you know, it's going to be good, good eating here in the Ramirez PERSON household because it is, uh, my mom just loves to spoil me with food. And I missed her cooking. She's been gone for like six months. So she kind of spends her time in Mexico GPE and then comes back. So she has just, just has an amazing life. I'm so envious of her because she gets to, uh, travel a lot. And she's actually about to leave on a trip hereto, uh, uh, uh, Yucatan here in a couple of weeks. So I'm really, really envious of her because she gets to travel a lot and she's actually about to leave on a trip here to Yucatan here in a couple of weeks. So I'm really, really envious of that. But I'm glad to be home. And the weather is just beautiful here right now. I got in last night. It was pretty windy, gusty. And that landing, whoever did that landing yesterday, they really had to work for it. But it was a beautiful landing. But yeah, we got to the gate and I noticed that their spoilers were still deployed. And I wanted to ask the crew whathappened, but I don't know if it was a procedure for them to keep the spoilers up. I don't know, but I wanted to ask, but the crew was gone by the time I got off the plane. And, but this morning when I woke up, beautiful day, all these winds just kind of threw all the smog out of the valley. So you can see from one end of the valley to the other. It's really nice. There's still some snow in Charleston, Mount Charleston GPE. So it's really nice to see that. But beautiful day. Really happy to be back here in Las Vegas for a few days before I head back and go back to work.It's going to be teaching once again. So I'm looking forward to that as well. Always looking forward to that to go and teach. I like doing that. I also want to take this opportunity to thank everyone that's sharing the podcast with your friends and family. That really means a lot.I want to give a shout out to my friend V PERSON for sharing the podcast. It's tremendous support from her. If you haven't listened to that episode, it's the first part of a three-part series with my friend V. That came out on Monday a few days ago, so make sure you check it out. It's a three-part series. Part two is coming out on Monday.I'm getting ready to edit that and get it out and published, but really do appreciate your support. I also want to thank all the listeners, all the followers, all the reviews, all the ratings, because it's really blowing my mind at the growth of this community. I mean, it's completely exceeded my expectations or where I expected this podcast to be within a year. I've been doing this for about about a year and a half now. I think I would say I started back in December of 22, so super excited to see the growth. And I'm really thankful for that growth. So thank you so much.It's all you're doing, right? I have no sponsors. I have no marketing team. I have no producer. It's all one-man show here. And it's really your support that it keeps me going. It gives me, it's that you're the wind beneath my wings. So I really do appreciate for that support. And the kind words I've gotten from that. Also, I want, remind you guys that if you haven't rated the show, whether it's on Spotify ORG or whatever platform you're, you're using, make sure you go in there and, uh, and leave a review and a tapest star. I really do appreciate that. It makes a, it makes a difference because I want tocontinue growing this community because I want to bring awareness to, uh, the aviation community and give back. That's my aviation community and give back. That's my goal is to give back. And the more people we have here, the more people we can support. I also want to share your stories, right? I want to, if you have a story, an aviation story, you have a question, please, I want to share that with our community as well. Because if you have a question, more than likely, someone else has the same question. So, hey, why not help someone out,right? Why not help someone in your same situation? And this is what the podcast is all about. Also, I want to remind for those of you that want to come on the show, I know some of you have scheduled some times and they have to reschedule because of potential schedule conflicts with your own personal life. Hey, don't worry about it. We'll make it work. I had to reschedule a couple of them because things came up. I had friends that had to reschedule because things came up on their end. So don't worry. Just be patient. We'll make it work. I had to reschedule a couple of them because things came up. I had friends that had to reschedule because things came up on their end. So don't worry, just be patient. We'll make it work. My friend Patrick and my friend Micah PERSON, before they came on the showme, we were literally almost a year or actually six months. With Patrick PERSON, it was like almost a year with my friend Michael was over six months trying to make it work because I was super busy and we finally made it work. So don't worry about it. Hey, if you want to be on the show, you want to have a conversation with me. Definitely just go into the show notes. There's a link there to see my availability.And if I think we have a few more days in May and I'll post my availability for June coming up in a couple of weeks. My schedule is posting here in a couple of days. And actually, I have more availability coming up in June. But anyways, let's be patient with each other and make sure that we can, but we'll make that show happen. Believe me, we will make that show happen. But yeah, I got plenty of content I still have on the shelf that I'm still trying to edit.And really excited for my guests that are coming up here in the next month or so. I think you'll be really, really excited to hear in what I have in store for you guys. Also, I want to thank all of you for sending the email, suggestions, critiques. I've sent out postcards, trading cards for you guys. I am running critically low on those trading cards. I haven't had a chance to go to any other domicile to see if they have any more of those trading cards, but I'll keep an eye out for those to make sure that if you do want one, you submit a question, you want one, I'll send you one for sure. Absolutely.I'm happy to send them out. Or if you want a postcard, I'm also just collecting those. I've been buying some more postcards because you guys have been wanting some, so I'll go ahead and send them out. But hey, don't just request a postcard. Leave a question.Give me a story because some of you was like, oh, I want the postcard. I want a trading card. You're just getting freebies off of me. Come on. Give me a question. Give me something. Give me content story because some of you are like, oh, I want the postcard. I want a trading card. You're just getting freebies out of me. Come on. Give me a question. Give me something.Give me content for the show. All right? So give me a good question. Give me some content. And I'll definitely send you a postcard and or a trading card. I'm not going to send both.Okay. Don't be greedy. So I'll send you one or the other. Some of you have asked for two or three. I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to send you one.All right. I got to get these. These are worth gold, man. These are worth gold. And talk about just got done in Denver GPE. And I want to talk a little bit. I want to rent a little bit about the hotel that was at right now. So I'm not going to name the hotel, but they kept us at this hotel that I don't usually stay at. Usually we stay at this other hotel, which is really nice because we also build points. But this hotel is really weird because the first time I was there, I was there for two nights. This is probably about a month or two ago. And the company kept me at this hotel and I was there for two nights. And you think that when you have a reservation and youcheck in to give you a key, and that key works for the duration of your your reservation but to my surprise it didn't so the the night next time when i came in i went up to my i went up to the door to get into the hotel it didn't work so i went to the lobby it says hey my key's not working and at first i thought it was me that i de-d magnetize the the key or something because i put it close to my phone or whatever but they're like oh no you're going to have to every every day you're gonna have to get a new key I'm like what I'm like why do I have to do that like it seems so weird to do that it's like yeah it's it's between the company or you knowwhoever books are hotels and it's like they're blaming it basically on the company the books are hotels and so it seemed really weird and this time I was there I was I think I spent seven days at this hotel and every day before I went up to the room I had to go to the lobby and get a new key and sometimes I had to wait in line for a few minutes to get a new key yeah yeah I know my prima donna is showing but you know it's just those little things you know after a long day you know I've been working 12 14 hour daysand the last thing I want to do is waiting in line of the lobby to get get a new room key, right? So I'm going to submit some comments to our review for the company that does our booking so maybe I don't get this hotel again. But here's the thing. That hotel is really nice. I actually like, it's a really nice room and what I really appreciate it has a really big sink. It doesn't have a stove, but it does have a big sink that I can wash dishes in. This last time I was in Denver, I brought a bunch of food from home. So I brought it from Colorado Springs GPE. I drove like I made a bunch of curry. And I had just food prepared that I brought from home. So it was nice to wash my dishes that I brought and everything like that. And that sink and that faucet was beautiful. It was really nice. So I really liked that aspect of the room, but I just hated the fact that I had to go down to the lobby and get a new key. I don't know. So I'm kind of torn between staying there again because the other hotel you usually stay atis that's really tiny sink. It's available, but it's just a little, and it gets, I get water everywhere and it's a big mess, but it's those little things, guys, that make me happy. So, I don't know, I'm torn. I don't know what to do. I don't know if I want to stay there again.It kind of grew on me, like, it was kind of, it became part of my routine that as soon as it came back from work, I went to the lobby and got on the key and they went up to my room. So I guess I don't mind it too much. Initially, it was a big pain in the ass, but now I'm like, eh, it's not so bad. But still, it's really weird that they do that. And I told other coworkers and I even told the companybecause there was an issue with my reservation. And they're like, oh, really? Wow, that's weird. I've never heard of that before. I'm like, exactly. I've never heard of that before. That's what I do for a living, right? Live in and out of hotels. And this is the first time that a hotel has asked me to get a new key every single day. I don't know if it's a process they need to work with or maybe management doesn't know how to do it. Who knows?But anyways, enough of that. So today, I want to talk about that incident. We had, I think it was today or yesterday. FedEx crew landed in Istanbul, Turkey GPE. They landed at 767 PRODUCT with the nose gear up. So they weren't unable to retract, not retract, but extend the nose gear.And they landed in Istanbul GPE with just the main landing gear. So they had a nose it in onto the runway. And so kudos to the crew, right? They're professionalism and getting this aircraft down without further damage. And I think this airplane is going to be back in service momentarily. It's not going to be very long. It was definitely a hydraulic system failure. And you can tell it wassome type of hydraulic system because obviously the gear, right? Most of the airplanes are hydraulic system. Most bigger airplanes have a hydraulically driven landing gear. But also you can see, if you look at the video, it's all over YouTube ORG. You can see the landing gear doors on the mainland gear. They're down. And also we have, they didn't use reverse thrust because the reverse thrust for the cow,they usually are hydraulically operated as well. So that wasn't working and the reports also that the crew did a few misapproaches a low pass to make sure you know verify that information verify that the gear was in fact not extended and so then they weren't able to extend the nose landing gear and they came in and landed so good job to the crew to do that no injuries they handled it very well. But if you remember back in October, FedEx ORG also had a no landing gear landing gear in Memphis. They had a 7-57 PRODUCT there. They had a situation where the crew could notextend the landing gear, even using alternate methods to get that landing gear extended. So they had to make a landing without basically no landing gear at all. They just bellied it right onto the runway. So good job to that landing gear extended. So they had to make a landing without basically no landing gear at all. They just bellied it right onto the runway. So good job to that crew as well. So now I know a lot of you are going to be like, oh, it's a Boeing ORG plane. It's a Boeing plane. But this has happened to, I think more recently too, I think it was an Airbus ORG that landed in L.A. There was, I think they had a no-flap landing, I believe it was, but also had a hydraulicfailure, a hydraulic system failure because if you notice the videos, the landing gear doors were also not retracted. I think they had, there was another triple seven out of Sydney GPE, not Sydney, but I think it was New Zealand GPE. They took off and a hydraulic line just exploded. So you saw all this just kind of like a plume of white fluid or smoke coming off the landing gear.So they had an issue with the landing gear as well. So know that there's a lot of backup systems and redundancy in these airplanes to make sure that we get the landing gear extended. It's very rare. But, you know, it's unfortunate that it has happened so, like, recently, right? We had that triple seven out of New Zealand GPE, I believe it was. I mean, I don't even know. I haven't researched that one too much, but I remember seeing it in the news when all thisUnited ORG stuff was happening, all the other incidents were having, I think, with the land, the tire falling off the triple seven in San Francisco GPE, all this stuff. Anyways, it was all over the news. And it's just unfortunate that it happened. It was covered by the media. But, you know, know that it's still very safe and that we have alternate procedures to extend the gear.So for us in the 175, we have three ways that we can see. We have one, two, we have three ways to lowering the landing gear. So one is normal, right? So just using landing gear lever. The second one is using an electrical override switch to pretty much tell the computers, I don't care where you thinkor what you think the position of the gear is. I want this landing gear down. So I'll override the signal to send that signal straight to the actual landing gear actuators to actually lower the landing gear. If that doesn't work, and let's say we had a system two hydraulic failure, we lost pressure, then we have us called a PTO, a power transfer unit, which will actually transfer, act like a supercharger or a turbo, and it'll use some of the fluid from system one to power system two to assist in the extension of retraction of the landing gear. assist in the extension of retraction of the landing gear.So that's another method. And the last, like, last it's effort is we have a lever that almost looks like a parking break. It's on the FO side. We open that compartment and we extend that lever to release hydraulic pressure from the uplocks of the gear. So it just, it's kind of like gravity, right?It just lets it fall. And we hope that with enough force and aerodynamic forces, we can actually lock down the gear and land. But we also have obviously procedures. So, you know, do a flyby, making sure that it's down, et cetera. And then we take it from there.All right. So now I have a question from a listener that I want to answer and I want to kind of get into some checkwrite advice for you guys. Let me go ahead and find it here really quick. All right. Here's the email says, Hey, Mani PERSON, I found your podcast from one of my classmates that had you for PT. M.M. MNUra's ORG training at the moment and it honestly has been a challenge for me. I was a flat instructor for almost two years. And while I do consider myself to be a pretty sharp pilot, it's been an uphillstruggle trying to understand the operation as a whole. I'm a bit overwhelmed and I'm beginning to worry, uh, worry I may be falling behind and that's just adding to the stress. There seems to be so much to cover and when I study with my sim partner in our study group, I feel like I don't know much as I don't know as much as them. So there's always this frantic need to study more and dig up more information. Can you give me some pointers for maneuverist training in an upcoming loft?I've heard there's been a lot of pilots washing out lately, and that's not helping me reduce my anxiety. I appreciate any words of wisdom. All right. Let's see. Well, let me see Bob PERSON. That's Bob PERSON is, I don't know if that's your actual name. If it is, I'm sorry. Maybe you want to remainanonymous. Who knows? But thank you for your question. That's really, it aligns with something I wanted to talk about that I've been observing as a seat sub recently. And I want to just say, first of all, if you have this big of a concern, you need to bring it up, you need to bring it up with the department's chief. So if you're in maneuvers, that's going to be the chief for flight training, right? So we're going to have to reach out to that person. First talk to your instructor and say, hey, ask them and just voice your concerns of what's going on.And then if you need to take it up further, then, you know, that instructor will talk to the chief and making sure that we support you in any way possible, right? And I want to give you a good example. Something like this happened to me recently. I had a pair of pilots that came through, through PT, and they were really struggling. Like, I'm talking like, this is, they were really far behind.They were just hanging on by the you know the what do they call it by the skin or their teeth or I wasn't saying I'm so bad with saying but anyways they were really struggling they were just hanging on for dear life with just the basics of flows and checklist on the ground you know let alone flying like they were just completely lost with the automation management and just managing the aircraft so I had them for I believe three. So I had them for, I believe, three days. So I had them for three sessions. And the first session that I had them for, I had to do a lot of coaching, a lot ofmentoring, and I had to act as these seat subs. So I can kind of give them a little bit of overview and my expectations of what we wanted to see. And the second day, it took them close to an hour to push back from the gate. So the expectation for us is that we want to push back under 30 minutes. So we want to have all our task complete. We want to have everything set up and be pushed from the gate within 30 minutes. We're talking about you already got to the airplane. You have to do your security check. You have to check your documents, airworthinessof the aircraft, and then you have to do all your before start task and we the expectations you want to push back within 30 minutes some most crews do it within 20 minutes uh if you go past 30 minutes it's a little bit uh it's okay we can do we can get it done but you still remember you still have to taxi to the runway you have to take off you have to go to your destination and you have to go to the gate do your sequences your checklist and your flows at your destination. So anyways, this crew was way behind. So they took roughly an hour to push back from the gate.So we had no time to do anything else in the air. We had no time to do holds. We had no time to do approaches, missed approaches. None of that because we were focusing on so much on the basic operation of the airplane or setting up the airplane for for for for flight and that was a little concerning to me so I kind of had a real talk with them and I sat down with them and say hey listen guys you guys got to go up and practice in the device we have some matrixdevices upstairs some some computers you can practice building in the MCDU is like but you got to start you know you got to start moving fast and I said you need to, just do every single task as fast as humanly possible, time yourself and then see what mistakes you made along the way. And then one of the students says, well, I'm afraid that if we do that, we may be doing something wrong and not be able to catch our own mistakes. And because we're doing it wrong. So we need, you know, we kind of need some guidance. And say, well, this is your guidance right here. I'm telling you, you know, this is what the expectationsthat we've been pretty clear of what we expect, but, you know, you just kind of have to wing it. You know, you got to time yourself. You've got to really, you know, because I'm a true believer in slow is smooth and smooth as fast, but they were at a point where they needed to be fast to be able to meet that timeline so we can focus on other stuff. And they weren't. So I was a little bit concerned for that. And I gave them, like I said, I gave them a real talk and I kind of give them like a little wake up call. Like, hey, you guys are really behind, right? You know, it's like, I'll be honest with all my students.I'll say if you're, if you're doing great, cool. And if you're doing, if you're doing bad, I'll let you know. But something clicked with them that day because they went up in the next morning. I had them again, and they both pushed back within 30 minutes. So I was like, dang, guys, whatever you guys did, it worked, right? It worked out. So they were really pumped about that. They were really excited for their progress. And, but I still did not recommend them for the procedures validation. So I recommended them for an ad session. I said, well, you guys are really good today, but because this is the first time I've seen thisperformance, you know, I can in good conscience send you to a validation event, which is an actual FAA ORG requirement, because if you fail that, that's going to be on your PREA record for your entire career. You're going to have to disclose this failure to other employers or whoever for the rest of your careers. So I told them, it was like, I would rather send you on another ad session, get some practice and get it going. And I kind of gave them the example. I says, hey, both of you were instructors before, right? Would you send a student out that they just literally,this lesson, they started showing you consistency with their landings? Would you be comfortable sending them out on their check ride? And they both agreed. I was like, no, I wouldn't. It's like, exactly. So I'd rather give you an ad session, and so you can get more practice, show the other instructors some consistency, and then they can recommend you for the validation. And they had, but another thing, Bob PERSON, that I want to tell you is that I told them, I said, hey, listen, because one of the students says, hey, man, it's like, I don't know. I don't know if it's a good idea for us to go into an ad session tomorrow.And then immediately into the validation, I'm just, I'm completely overwhelmed. You know, I needed some time to decompress and just kind of like, take a breath, man. It's like, I've been going nonstop since day one since endoc EVENT and it's just been non-stop training and it's just i am completely burnt out and i said you need to go talk to the chief about that you need to go talk to them voice your concerns and so we talked to the chief one of the chiefs there and we were able to get them a day off so they can kind of decompress a little bitand they came back uh two days later they did their ad session they got recommended and on the third day they went to their validation and they passed it and I went I made it a point to go back in that day because I was working I went in and found them in the building and I congratulated them I said I told you I knew you guys could do it is just you need a little bit more time you need to be more patient but the big lesson here Bob PERSON is we need to communicate our needs to our chiefs and our instructors to make sure they can support us. Because if we don't know what's going on in your life,if we don't know you're this stressed out, we can't help you, right? I've seen a lot of people fail validation events because then after they fail, they say, well, you know what? Oh, man, you know, I was like, I have a lot of my play right now. You know, my dad has cancer and, you know, and something, some major life event. And I'm like, dude, why didn't you tell us this before? We will send you home so you can deal with it so you can be focused on what you got. Because let me tell you guys, airline operations training, airline operations training is no joke. It is probably one of the most difficult trainings you're going to go throughin your life okay i went through eOD school explosive or disposal school for and i was there in training for over a year and the training of sky was harder than that it was it was insane there was physical pain manifested in myself because of the stress i was going through it's no joke guys but we're here to support you if something happens we will give you the time and we will we with you to make sure that we, we ensure your success because we're spending so much money on you. We're spending upwards of $30,000 to get you to the right seat of that plane.Why would we throw that away? So we want to see you succeed. And I really want to see my students succeed. So please, if you're under the stress, first talk to your instructor, and they will give you an honest assessment of your performance, right? Because we've been doing this for a while. We know what to see in students. We know when they're doing good.We know when we're doing bad. And most students will say, hey, yeah, I'm a little bit overwhelmed. And we'll say, hey, that's okay. That's perfectly fine. And they'll tell you you're doing great. You'll either tell you you're doing above, you know, above average, average, or below standard. And we'll tell you're doing great. You'll either tell you you're doing above, you know, above average, average or below, below standard. And we'll let you know. But pleasecommunicate that with your instructor to make sure that they give you a fair assessment of your performance. And so you can move forward. Okay, now I want to give you some tips to, and this is what I tell every single student comes to the training department. And I'm their instructor. This is what I tell them, okay? I tell them that they need to, first of all, I'm going to say it again, because it's super important. Ask your instructor for an assessment of your performance because we will enter notes in the grader so you can see them, but we also enter notes to other instructors to make sure, kind of give them,give them a heads up of your performance. But just if you have a concern, just be like, hey, how am I doing? Am I doing okay? And if they say, hey, we're going to give you an ad session or whatever. Take the ad session. Some people are scared of the ad session because I don't know why they just get more anxious about it. But let me tell you something. If they're offering you that ad session, take it. Right. They're paying you to do it. It's additional training. It's in your benefit to take that ad session. So do it. Also,you need to stick to a schedule. You need to stay within the confines of your footprint for that maneuver's training, right? Don't start my opinion. This is just my opinion. Don't start studying for your KV, which is knowledge validation or your oral, until you pass your maneuvers validation. Do not overload yourself with information before you get to that portion of training. Because when you go through loft, line-oriented flight training, you're going to go through a lot of topics that you can study when you are in that session.So you're in that footprint. So don't skip ahead too much. Also, I would suggest that if you're overwhelmed, just do self-study on your own, okay? Stick with the material that we're providing you, right? You have your company manuals. You have multiple sources within your EFB to study for your KV and all that stuff.And I always say, hey, go for the CQ study guide, go for the KV PRODUCT study guide, the performance manual, the release explanation guide. Stay within the materials that we provide you because I know there's a ton of gouges out there. And those gouges can be super overwhelming because they might have more information than you may need. So just steer away from those gouges as much as possible. Try to study, do some self-studying instead or just with your SIM partner. Because once you go with a group, listen, if it's, if it is overwhelming you, it doesn't help to overload your senseswith more information by going to a study group, right? So just stick with your SIM partner, say, hey, I want to just to do a kind of one-on-one that I'm going to head over to back to my hotel room and do some studying. But just limit the amount of information that you're receiving and trust the process, right? We're going to give you everything you need. Okay, we want you to succeed. Also, get rest. Okay? Learn how to shut down, right? Have some discipline and also follow a schedule to make sure that you wake up at the same time, you eat at the same time, you study at the same time,you go to work at the same time every single day of training because when your schedule is predictable, you reduce the amount of stress that you're putting yourself under. So make sure that you do that. Stay within the schedule and study the same time, walk or exercise if you do so. Or if you don't, I highly encourage you to go for a walk or at least go on a treadmill for a half an hour just to kind of blow off some steam. You definitelyneed to shut down. When you need to go to sleep, go to sleep, right? Go on TikTok or Instagram ORG or something or watch YouTube videos. Just shut your brain down for a little bit. Watch a movie, something. But it's so important to get rest right we need our physiological needs to be fit for duty we need to have the proper rest and i've seen students come to come to work dude they're they're zombies and their performance degrade significantly like i've seen students do really well in like one session and then they come back and they're doing really dumb mistakes and i asked themdid you get enough sleep last night it's like like, no, I slept like three hours. I'm like, I can tell. I can tell when people have not slept. And you probably know it too. So make sure you get enough rest. Also, you probably have heard this a lot and say that during your check ride,they're going to be evaluating human factors. So what does that mean human factors? I'm going to give you one aspect of what that means, okay? When you take your check ride, it's literally, it should be, okay, it should be the easiest check ride of your life. Like, you know, I thought it was when I went through. I thought it was the easiest check ride of my life. The CFI being the most difficult. But what they're evaluatingis not only your flows and your checklist and your knowledge of the operation, but they're also going to start evaluating how you prioritize tasks. Let me explain how. So recently, I've been seat subbing a lot for, and luckily I've had the privilege of seat subbing for some of my students' check rides. So I was their instructor during PT and I showed up for their check rights.It was really cool to see the progression. It was like a proud dad moment in some sense because, you know, they were kind of lost in the woods. They were kind of lost in the sauce and what we're doing in PT and procedures training. And then they had a week and a half to go and do their maneuvers and loft training. And then now you see the final product at the end.And it was so cool to see their performance. I was really to be part of their moment of their the culminating moment of training and you know in the training department and go on to iowe so it was really cool to see that and you know pass their check right so i did three of them and but the common theme throughout is that we teach as we're going through the training department we're really focused on teaching you flows and checklist and it's very robotic-like, right? So we just follow sequence of eventsas per a checklist or per the manual, but we don't incorporate the actual operation as a whole. What I mean by that is, I'll give you a perfect example that I've seen the weakness on here. So after we land,we are supposed to, as soon as the aircraft clears the runway, we are supposed to turn out, or the FOs are supposed to turn off lights. And then the captain, they have to wait for the captain who call for the after landing sequence. That makes them go. So, you know, put the flaps up, you know, turn off the set the trim back to four, turn off the APU bleed, set out anti-icing if needed, go to the status page, right?But they're focusing so much on turning off these lights as soon as we're coming off the runway that they are forgetting to call ground. They're forgetting to communicate, right? So remember, aviate, navigate, communicate. So they're so focused on getting a good grade on their flows and their checklist that just everything else goes out the window. And now as I'm landing or they're landing the airplane and i'm taxing off the runway now they have their hands are ready for the lights but then you know i have to stop you know at theexit of a high speed and then just block that exit because the fo is waiting for me to call the after landing sequence right so uh i can't say anything as a seat sub. I can't really kind of guide them there. I briefed them a little bit as far as like normal line operations when we're doing it because we try to make the check rate as real as possible, but it's just I can't really intervene too much, right? That's just my, the rules for a seat sub is we can't do, we can't intervene too much um but that's what i noticed a lotis that we land and they just they focus so much on the checklist and the flows that they forget the more important thing of actually communicating with ATC to get us off that runway so on a normal day when we land tower we usually say hey exit left or right when able contact ground point eight or ground point nine right so you can call ground 0.8 or ground point nine, right? So you can call ground before you're even leaving the runway and say, hey, SkyWess 4100 PRODUCT, we're clearing runway 27 at Alpha 3. We're going to gate Bravo 34 PRODUCT. Okay. So before we even get offthat high speed, ground can tell us, hey, taxi alpha, Charlie PERSON to the gate or whatever. So I don't have to stop the airplane blocking that high speed so we can continue moving on, right? So that checklist is really not time or safety critical at this point, right? It's all we're doing is putting the flaps back up. We're turning off lights and we're turning on the APU. It is not essential for us to run that checklist now.So that's how I brief, usually when they come letting and say, hey, once we get off the runway, the first thing is to make sure we're safe. We are both heads up, making sure we're avoiding traffic or any vehicles that we could potentially hit. And then after that, hey, you can turn off the lights and then I'll call for the after-limbing sequence. So we want to focus on the core principles of flying, aviate, navigate, communicate.So prioritize those tasks, and what's more important, a checklist or a flow, or actually flying the airplane? And for most instances, it is going to be true. Flying the airplane is more important. There's sometimes that, yes, we have to run a checklist or a QRC or QRH procedure or a memory item, but more often than not, it's gonna be flying the airplane first.And we have, at Scott Woods ORG, we have, it's called a threat and error application model. And the first step is to recognize there is an unanticipated threat, and the first step of that is to fly the airplane, right? The memory item comes second, QRC comes third, and QRH comes down the line so it's we have toassess the criticality of certain things that happen so that way we don't jump into a into a bigger problem also what I've run a lot into is that when there is an abnormal situation that happens with the airplane um FOs new FOs typically jump the gun and try to act on certain, just kind of their condition to, as soon as you hear something happen, for example, let's say you get a master warning for a laboratory smoke, right? When I asked them, I say, well, what are you going to do if you get a master warning for a laboratory smoke, a bathroom smoke, right? So something happened, something's going on in bathroom.So what are you going to do? And more often than not, I guess, oh, I'm going to down my oxygen mask. I'm going to establish communication and then, you know, run the QRC, right? But I said, well, actually, it's the first thing is to fly the airplane, right? So the airplane's flying just okay. Then we run the memory item. But also, when we get a master caution or something happens that we are not anticipating in flight or on the ground, we have to assess the criticality of the situation. We have to take a deep breath, right? Don't panic.A lot of people panic. They jump into action. They start pressing buttons. They start doing things out of sequence because they're rushing into doing this. You know, that's how they usually botched go arounds, right? They're so focused on hitting that Toga button that they forget to call for the flaps.They forget to call for the gear, right? So slow down, right? They're so focused on hitting that Toga button that they forget to call for the flaps. They forget to call for the gear, right? So slow down, right? In the absence of experience, slow down. So usually I say, well, if you get a laugh smoke, because this has happened to me a couple of times, I say if you get a laugh smoke, the first thing we do is we want to contact the flight attendants to make sure that it is in fact a fire or there is actually smoke going on in the bathroom. And guess what? Most of the time they're going to tell youis some guy vaping in the bathroom. That's what you're going to get. So you assist the criticality of this situation by expanding your CRM team, your crew resource management, expanding CRM, getting the flight attendants involvedand say, hey, what's going on back there? Oh, no, some guy vaping, you know, he's in first class. We got a name, you know, whatever. So we'll deal with them later. But now we just saved ourselves, taking off our headsets, some guy vaping, you know, he's in first class. We got a name, you know, whatever. So we'll deal with them later. But now we just saved ourselves, taking off our headsets, putting on the mask, doing all that stuff up front, right?Now, if the flight attendants say, oh, yeah, there is a fire, right? Okay, then we escalate the issue and we move on to what we need to do and put on our mask and do that. And if the cabin or the flight deck starts filling up with smoke, there's another procedure for that. But always assess the criticality of a situation because not everything and we hope not. I mean, this is that the airplane, like if losing control, like say, we lose part of our Aileron or a rudder, that's going to be a really time critical situation, right? That we have to act right now. But most things that happen in an airplane, even an enginefailure is take a deep breath, assess the criticality fly the airplane and move forward from that so that's super important to um to understand so when you go to your check ride remember that we're seeing not only your your execution of the flows in the checklist but we're seeing how you're prioritizing task what's important right now um We also, a big, a big thing that I'm noticing is people are really weak on fuel planning and holding calculations. Use the computer. Okay. We know we teach in the classroom how to use a bar-h method, you know,to burn alternate reserve fuel for your holding fuel, but use your resources and a plane to determine what you, uh, what you have on board, right? But you're actually burning how much time, how fast you're flying, et cetera. Use the resources you have on board. Okay. I'm trying to think of anything else, but those are the big ones, right?So we don't want you to be robotic. The way that you can do this is by chair flying, asking a lot of questions, and knowing that a checklist may be the last thing you need. You need to prioritize flying the airplane, getting us off this runway, safely and efficiently before we run any checklist, right? And like I said, in most cases, in most instances, flying the airplane is going to be priority number one. Aviate, navigate, communicate.priority number one. Aviate, navigate, communicate. Okay, now the last thing I'm going to talk about today is currently there is disposed floating around the internet. I mean, it's everywhere now. I've seen it on X. A friend of mine sent me this screenshot of this, I'm assuming a pilot, that made a post somewhere in a forum complaining about a jumpseater. It was a United Newhire jumpseeing a Southwest flight between San Francisco and San Diego GPE, I believe. And something happened during their session or during this flight that this jumpseater, this jumpseater felt compelled to run to the FAA ORG and report this crew. I don't know what the reason was,but this post makes it seem like, I don't know, man, just the way that is worded, it just makes my blood boil a little bit. I don't know. I'm going to read this to you really quick. Let me pull up the picture here or the screenshot. I'm going to leave names out. I'm not going to say any names, but this is the post that came through or that I read that is floating around the internet. It says a newer hire at United ORG, jump-seated on Southwest Airlines recently from San Francisco to San Diego GPE, and after the flight was over, decided she would notify the FAA ORG on the inadequacies of the crew whose jump-seat they graciously offered.Not going to name names, but for God's sakes, please mentor or newer hires on how to jump seat properly and keep your damn mouth shut. So first of all, right off the bat, I'm going to dissect this a little bit. I'm going to go in sections. But first of all, you telling someone to keep their damn mouth shut, I don't think that's really a positive work environment or encouraging to report or a good safety culture.Let's put it that way. I don't know if this was a safety-related incident. I don't know if that's the reason why this female decided to go to the FAA ORG. But you telling everyone, especially younger pilots, to keep your damn mouth shut, shame on you, all right? Just shame on you for doing that. I don't understand why you had the need to say that. That's just ridiculous. At the very least, I'm going to continue on.It says, at the very least, if you see something incorrect or wrong, very politely query the crew, if you feel you must, if you feel you must, like, oh, yeah, like I'm not going to talk, you know, I'm not going to speak up. And let them explain themselves. If they choose to, if they choose not to, and you are not satisfied, please contact or jump seat committee, and let them handle it.Running to the FAA and skipping Rob PERSON's committee is, I don't know what Rob's committee is, is not the way to do this. And I think that common sense would prevail, but here we are. So it sounds like to me, like they're just pissed about the fact that this girl or woman or female, whatever you want to call then, decided to go directly to the FAA ORG instead of going to the proper channels. Now, I agree. I'm all about chain of command, right? I'm about to talk directly to the person first,addressing them when they're first, deal with the problem there, with the problem there. Then if that doesn't work, then you go to your supervisor. Then if you don't go there, you know, just go up the ladder, right? And just inform them and keep them inform them what's going to happen. But apparently this, this lady, woman, girl, female, decided to go straight to the FAA ORG. Not the way that I've handled it, but still, maybe her concern was serious enough, or maybe she did speak up and they didn't say anything or they disagree or they had a disagreement in the flight deck. And she deemed it necessary to go directly to the FAA ORG.We don't know, but they're making assumptions here as far as, you know, not knowing or just being about being new. Okay, let me continue. Personally, I don't say Jack PERSON while I'm writing and I am basically a very polite doormat. Right, dude, enjoying being a dormant. Yeah, okay.Yeah, not talk or anything. Yeah, just sit there there i've got to say i'm not surprised by this as some of our newer folks just seem to not get it at times and not really sure how we can prevent this from happening in the future hey guy how about um what do you mean you're surprised like what about just you yourself mentoring pilots yourself instead of ranting online maybe do that.You know, it's like newer folks. Like, I mean, this is just giving like boomer captain vibes right off the bat. Like, this is some guy that's just like sticking the status quo. Like, oh, you're not doing it how we're supposed to do it. Oh, guess what? We've been doing this before you were even born.I'm like, shut up. This is just pissing me off. Because like, I'm not surprised. Okay. It's like, I'm not really sure how we can prevent this. Prevent it by just mentoring pilots yourself, guy.Just do that. Okay? How about that? All right. So then let me continue. It says, rightly or wrongly, some of the Southwest ORG guys and gals are starting to turn downour pilots as this story winds it way around their seniority list. Please share your thoughts on this with the with the people you fly with and remind them that jump seating is a privilege and not a right i totally agree i agree with that many of our pilots depend on the ride from southwestern airlines and to be turned down because of someone else's foolishness is unforgivable so someone reporting a concern to the fAA apparently is foolishness to this guy.Unforgivable. Oh my God. It's unforgivable. I don't understand. I mean, I'm just reading this just piss me off. Like I said, this is giving like some salty dudes, you know, he's been in the company for 20 plus years. And they're used to flying with a flight deck door open.They're used to just, you know, just being cowboys in the flight deck. It's a new environment, guys. It's a new environment nowadays. we have to be adaptable and you're probably about to retire yourself you know who knows maybe not i'm just making assumptions here but um i don't know uh i think it's kind of given toxic work vibes here i don't i don't really i don't really get it you know we can go and sit here and ask ourselves was a new hire in the wrong? You know, the consensus is that everyone, really, everyone is jumping on this girl right now.I was calling her a snitch. Everyone is mad at her for not following quote unquote protocol. You know, everyone's just ready to crucify her. I've seen, you know, memes and posts and just about, just about anyone, especially, and even people I know, you know. And like I said, I do agreeto the flight that gets a privilege and not a right, but to tell people to keep their mouth shut, like, okay, guy, why don't you go yell out of cashier somewhere? I don't know. This is like, really, ah, it just rubs me the wrong way, man. You know, listen, more often than not, I'm the under, I'm, I'm for the underdog, okay? I go against established norms. You know, I go against the status quo and normal societal expectations. My opinion is usually just, you know, they go against the grain.And honestly, I've gotten, you know, bullied, we'll call it bullying, by the more, you know, by the more established members of the community. When I stand up for the beliefs of the person standing up on a popular point of view. So, you know, they voice something that goes against the grain and people just automatically just jump on these people, right? We make assumptions of these people without even knowing anything. And I've been left alone to fight some battles.You know, I've had people come up to me after the fact telling me is like, oh, how unfair it was, you know, how they treated me and that they were going to back me up and they had a response ready or something, that they were going to say something. But in the end, they just, they didn't have my back. You know, they didn't stand out for me because they were afraid of being caught in the shitstorm I've, you know, I've gotten myself into. And they don't want to be associated with my unpopular opinion or stand up for the senior daddies and mamas, right? They don't want to stand up to them.And I don't blame them. You know, it takes courage to stand up for your beliefs. And a lot of us don't have that kind of courage. I certainly don't most of the time. You know, I've dealt with senior staff, you know, or people that are well established at certain companies that I've worked at, you know, that believe that it's like, you just shut up and sit down,that this is how it's been done since, you know, for eons, you know, oh, they do their jobs right, so that's all that matters. Oh, I was in the military before, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, it just, it's, it's becoming a young person's game, this aviation thing. We have to take opportunities to mentor, right? So instead of ranting online, why don't you take this opportunity to mentor the up-and-coming pilots? So we can all get along.So we can know, hey, this is what we're the expectation. This is what we want, you know, be, you know, inclusive with it. You know, I'm not saying about DEI ORG hires and stuff, but just be inclusive. Make it a nice fun environment. Because after all, the jumpseater becomes an additional crew member, you know, but most of the time, we just take a dump on the new pilots, man.We go on top and we completely brutally destroy people, especially on social media, on people that we don't agree with. Like, we just jump on their beliefs like, oh, you're not doing it. That's not the way I do it. This is how I would do it. You must be insane.But we all have this uncontrollable urge to attack others to pass judgment on things we know little or nothing about. But we all do it in the name of fitting in with our peers. Oh, everyone's doing it. So I'm going to do it too. Oh, yeah. Look at this, I'm going to do it too. Oh, yeah.Look at this, you know, dumb guy or girl. I'm trying not to use explicitives. You know, like I mentioned earlier, I've already seen, already seen memes, post, and comments just completely going after this female, right? What a waste of energy. Does that make you a better human being, like, to just put people down?Or to make assumptions of people of what happened? Or it just boost your ego? Or it just makes you feel better to just put people down. We didn't even know exactly what happened and we weren't there. We don't know what happened. Now, I'm here to play devil's advocate. I just told you before, right? I like to kind of root for the underdog. I like to root for the other person that's getting, you know, taking a dump on. You know, maybe. Now, here, maybe this female pilot is a horrendousentitled spoiled brat and had no business running to Big Daddy FAA ORG. Who knows? By the sound of this post, this woman shattered the status quo, slapped his crew's fragile ego and false sense of perfection and superiority and triggered a potential jumpseat war between carriers, all because she didn't keep her mouth shut. You know, I just thought of a really good example of fragile masculinity of how I experienced, I listed for the jump seat on a flight, and I am not going to name the airline because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings about that,about their airline. But anyways, one time, and this is probably about a year into actually doing airline operations, but I listed for the jump seat and this airline, we have to, even if you're a commuting, you have to list for the jump seat. And then if they have room in the back, they'll give you a seat. But I remember this particular day, I was flying from Vegas back to Denver GPE. And I listed for the jump seat and they told me hey we got a seat for you is wide open so we'll give you a seat so i made my way to down the jet bridge into the plane and i went and took myseat so that was my mistake to begin with because since i listed for the jump seat i had to check in with the crew and tell them like hey my name is this i'm with this company i have um you know i listed for the jump seat, I had to check in with the crew and tell them like, hey, my name is this. I'm with this company. I have, you know, I listed for the jump seat, but they have a seat in back. This is where I'm going to be sitting. But, and whatever.So I completely spaced out. I took my seat and I was like miles away. My head was miles away. And a few minutes after I sat down, the flight attendant comes up. And he says, the captain wants to see you. And immediately I knew that I had forgotten to check in with the captain. I was like, oh, man,I'm so sorry. So I got up, left my stuff in the bag. Like, I just went up by myself. I left my bag there and I went up to talk to the captain. And this captain, this poor excuse of a human being, decided to berate me in front of the entire crew in Pat first class or not first class because I don't have first class but these passengers up front and started to telling me it's like do you know who I am do you know that I need to know everyone that's on board like why didn't you check in with me like I'm like at first I was getting ready to scream but I really wanted to get to Denverso I didn't want to lose my seat. So I apologize. I'm sorry, you know, I know I had to check in with you. I just totally forgot, but I understand I have to check in. That wasn't enough. He had to continue berating me in front of the crew. Instead of taking me outside of the Jet Bridge FAC, instead of talking me privately, he decided to do this publicly, super unprofessional. And I was just like, this is ridiculous. Like, is this for real right now? Is this real life? And I was so pissed off. But And I was just like, this, this is ridiculous. Like, is this, is this for real right now? Is this real life? And I was so pissed off.But this guy was just like, I need to see your documents. I'm like, first of all, I'm not going to be in the jump seat. So you don't need to see nothing in my head. I said it in my head. But I got my documents. I went back to the walker shame back to the aisle.Got my documents and he checked that. I was like, next time, make sure you're checking with a cap. There was like, I already apologize to you, bro. Like, I'm sorry I slapped your pee. You know, I'm like, I am, make sure you check in with a captain. I was like, I already apologize to you, bro. Like, I'm sorry I slapped your pee. You know, I'm like, I am, you know, I'm sorry that my presence as a regional pilot is threatening your, your existence.It's like, but it's ridiculous. I mean, you have to understand that these individuals exist. And you have to say professional. I just kept my mouth shut. I apologize. And I didn't say, and I didn't think of actually talking to a committee about that.But that's what happened. And I don't know. This whole post about, it just kind of reminds me of that. I don't know. I just got a little triggered. So let's hold off on that judgment, see what happens.And I don't know. I don't know how this is going to play out. But listen, guys, let me talk about jump seat, jumpseat. I'm going to, I think I've done this before with some of you, but I want to kind of give you my beliefs on this. It's a privilege. It's not a right. Be respectful, right? Come up and ask for the jump seat. List for the jump seat. Ask forpermission. Excuse me, please. Thank you. I've had the privilege of writing with a lot of crews that have been really nice, and they briefed me, and we joke about it. They say, hey, if anything goes wrong, is your fault. We laugh about it. We laugh about it, right? But we brief, you know, and I become an additional crew member. I plug in with my headset. I make sure that I'm there present, because if something happens, guess what? Guess what's going to happen? If you get into an incident and the NTSB or the FAA ORG investigators, guess who they're going to askquestions to? You, because you were there. You're an additional crew member. You know, I've caught a few crews kind of slipping a little bit, but I don't make it a big habit. Like I just kind of, I remember one time, I'll give you an example, climbing out, and the captain started transferring some fuel, and they forgot about transferring fuel. And I noticed that. And I kind of just asked him and I say, hey, what's the imbalance limitation on this airplane? I just kind of asked a little bit. It's just curious because in my plane is 794 pounds. And he's like, oh, and he looked at the fuel. And then he's like, oh, shoot,I forgot. And they fixed it. But I didn't make a big deal about it. I don't think they've ever been unsafe. I don't think. But if even if it it was i probably say something because if you don't but if it's more of like a procedural thing probably i would have gone to their jump seat committee maybe just kind of voice my concerns i try if you're not going to okay my goal my thing is this if you are not going to talk directly to the crew and address the concerns you have with them and it's not worth talking to anybody else unless there's like fear of retribution then at that point that yes you can talk to you know the the jump set ORG committee but stayprofessional um make sure that you are just doing everything and and address the problem at the lowest level possible and move on but just be respectful guys i've had so much fun jump seating and honestly i avoid it now because I hate sitting there for hours in that little tiny seat. I'd rather have a seat in the back. Speaking of which, some people have asked me what the difference between jump sitting and non-reving is. So when you non-rev, usually you have to pay a fee. So like if you Zed fairs or my ID 90, you have to pay a fare likebetween $30 and $40 to non-rev, right? And now for a non-rev ticket, you don't have to, you don't have responsibilities of a jumpseater. You can have drinks, you can, you know, still abide by the dress code, but you don't have to shave, et cetera. You can go on as an actual passenger.But if you are listing for the jump seat, there is no fee associated with that. And you want to stick with a whole commuting policy, meaning if you are commuting to and from work, use that option because you're not paying anything. If you're going to be going on a vacation, just pay the damn fee, right?Pay the $30.40. Now, if it gets super tight where fine, there are certain instances where you can jump seat because, you know, let's say that there was another one, just pay the fee. Let's say there was another passion that was not going to make it on if you took that seat. Okay, fine, you can take the jump seat. But for most instances, most instances, if you are commuting to and from work, then yes, definitely use the jump seating option because that means you're also fit for duty. You can't drink. You have to be real rested and you have to be part of that crew. You have to be part of that crew. So be ready for that.You know, be dressed and, you know, business casual, shaven or whatever the company has you or the expectations based on the company your jump seating all right so that's the difference anyways guys man as you can tell this episode has gone whoa super long because I'm so fired up about this content tell me what you think if you agree with what I what I'm saying if you disagree let me know but I feel like we're jumping on this woman for absolutely no reason right now. And we're just taking sides on this guy that just is like, oh, it's like there's a snitch. Snitches get stitches, right? So anyways, I'm devil's advocate. Who knows? Maybe she has a really horrible human being. And, you know, we all need to crucify her. But I don't know, man. We don't know the the story just the sound of this damn pose just fires me up man because i've dealt with people like like that and it's just like ugh it irks me and it's like those are the same people that go yell at theircashiers or you know yell at service workers because they didn't get their ice in their cup i don't know anyways thank you so much guys as i always say keep growing keep learning because good enough to earn a living may not be good enough to survive. Hey, fellow aviation enthusiasts, before I let you go, I'd like to ask you for a huge favor. If you could please go to the platform where you're listening to this podcast in and leave a review, some feedback, and some comments. 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