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what it was like being there and looking out over the sea of people you must have felt like a rock star just the crowd like that the energy city's been amazing it's been an awesome week in the first round lived up to yeah i mean just it was a sea of honolulu blue and we'll talk about that throughout this three-hour edition of the show. Ian Rappaport, my NFL network, colleagues going to join us about what he heard about might have been going on behind the scenes last night, and who's still on the board. There's some draft trade talk already throughout this day. I'm wondering what he can fill us in on.And then Dan Orlovsky from the ESPN ORG set, Joel Clyde, who was next to me all night last night. He's going to join us top of our number two. And then we'll have a parade of Wolverines here on this program. Aidan Hutchinson, who was out on the stage last night with two of his teammates in Eminem and Calvin Johnson and Barry Sanders PERSON.

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That's amazing. The commissioner and putting the bears on the clock. It was great. There was like huge cheers last night for the lions and then they put the bears on the clock for boo. Immediately, but... And then the lines trade up for a draft choice. They introduced Terry and Arnold PERSON, huge cheers.And then the Packers ORG went on the clock. Boo.

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It was just fantastic energy throughout the entire night.

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And then Sharon Moore, the head coach of the University of Michigan ORG, is going to be making his way to our studio. We'll hang with him. And then we're going to get you set for night number two and day number three of the NFL ORG draft. Listen, obviously the stories going into this draft all about the quarterbacks. And the draft did not disappoint on that front.It's rare to see the quarterback to

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general pick population hit rate be at 50%. It went from 100% then down to 75%. It didn't get below

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50% in terms of quarterbacks being drafted compared to the number of picks that had already been made on the draft board until pick 7. We saw an amazing amount of choices at quarterback three in a row to start and then pick eight, pick 10, pick 12, all quarterbacks. And that is something that we were expecting to be possible. We've never seen a draft with four straight quarterbacks to start. That did not happen in this one, but we've never seen four out of the first eight picks be quarterbacks, five of the first ten picks bequarterbacks, and six of the first 12 picks be quarterbacks. We've never seen that before. But the one that stands out amongst all of them, the one that was the least chalky of all of them, was Michael Pennix Jr. going to Atlanta ORG. And in terms of that, I have been fortunate to be doing this draft for 21 years with NFL Network. This is my 18th draft gavel to gavel. And there have been many head scratchers in the NFL ORG draft, but none being more of a universal industry-wide head scratcher than the onethat we saw last night, Michael Pennix Jr., number eight overall going to Atlanta ORG, and let me finish my sentence by saying this. This has nothing to do with Michael Pennix, Jr.'s You've heard us talk about this kid out of the Washington ORG program, from the Indiana program to the Washington ORG program, everything that has gone into making him the man that he is, this has nothing to do with that. I believe he's worthy of a top 10 pick in the NFL draft. We had Kurt Warner, Pro Football Hall of Famer ORG,my colleague from the NFL media group sitting in this chair to my left on this set yesterday. He said he thought that Michael Pennix Jr., in his mind, was a better choice at quarterback in this draft than Drake May PERSON, which is saying a lot. This has nothing to do with Michael Pennix Jr.'s PERSON ability and everything to do with what the Atlanta Falcons ORG did in free agency in advance of making this pick. I have no earthly idea why a team would go and sign Kirk Cousins PERSON for the amount of money that they didand also run the risk of a tampering charge in the process of doing it and giving this man a generational salary at quarterback over maybe if it's four years, the entire contract being four years long. We were wondering would he actually finish this contract in Atlanta ORG? I'll tell you one person who thought he would finish this contract in Atlanta, and his name is Kirk Cousins. This guy is the guy who showed up, starts throwing out first pitches at the Braves ORG game, talks about this is his last stop of his career. I'll tell you what, Atlanta ORG's not going to bethe last stop of this man's career, because Michael Pennix, Jr. being drafted eighth overall and starting the clock of his first quarterback contract in the NFL ORG mandates that he starts at some point in this contract. And he starts at some point in this contract before Kirk Cousins PERSON ever imagined another quarterback would be brought in to take his starting role. I have no idea why Atlanta ORG would want to do that with Kirk Cousins PERSON coming inthe manner in which he came in and the amount of the red carpet that they rolled out for him and the doubt that they're now going to be placing within his mind and that locker room. His ability to stroll in there and say this is my team. This is my franchise. This is my new city has now been compromised because they brought this kid in eighth overall. His ability to look at this kid in the face and say, let's talk about what you need to do to become a terrific quarterback in this league. As great a human as Kirk Cousins PERSON is and has shown to be, you have to sit there and wonder how he's going to be with this kid in this quarterback room.Another thing to point out here, the doubt that might be in Cousins PERSON' mind in anybody else in this locker room that wants to be in the Cousins camp fully and completely asked to sit here and wonder at what point did they fall in love with Michael Pennix Jr. Was it watching him be a collegiate quarterback in Washington ORG? Was it him being a quarterback in the championship game against Michigan ORG, struggling, but also seeing what he did against Texas ORG? We heard, and Ian Rappaport PERSON's going to come on here, and I'm wondering if he can confirm this. They did not have a top 30 visit with Michael Pennix, Jr.They went and chatted with him at the Combine and had a 45-minute meeting with him watching a workout of him in Washington ORG. And that's it. When did they fall in love with Michael Pennix? Was it in the process of signing Kirk Cousins PERSON to afour-year, $180 million contract that pays him $90 million of guaranteed money? Did they do that during that after signing him? Tom Pelliserra, our buddy Tommy Pee PERSON,

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who's going to sit in for me when I'm with the Roku New Fronts ORG next week in New York GPE. He had the line of the day on Good Morning Football today. He said it's basically like cheating on your wife during the honeymoon.

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It's essentially what he said. That's what it is. You're in the honeymoon phase right now, and you're

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going to bring in a kid who, by the way, is also 24 years old when he takes the field, if he does at all for the Atlanta Falcons this year. So if Cousins plays the two years, and they do finally stick out two years, by the way, for the $90 million that he's guaranteed to be paid over those two years,and they do stick Pennix PERSON out there. He'll be a 27-year-old guy who's not played much of a snap in the NFL ORG at all. That's how Pennix PERSON is going to get born into this league.

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So the question is, what was the thinking of Terry Fontno PERSON, the general manager of the Atlanta Falcons ORG? And he, next to Rahim Morris in a press conference that was very highly watched last night, had this to say after choosing Michael Pennix Jr. 8th overall.

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At the end of the day, if you believe in a player at that position, because if we're all sitting here a few years from now, whenever it is, and this guy's playing pretty good for somebody, regardless of the situation, regardless of you sit there and look back, and we pass him up, you can't do that. If you believe in a quarterback, you have to take him. And if he sits for four or five years, that's a great problem to have because we're doing so well at that position. So it's just as simple as if you see a guy that you believe in at that position, you have to take him. I mean, to wait for four or five years.

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And I think that was wild. Well, I think Terry Fontno PERSON is saying that because he does need to address the guy who they paid all this generational money to to be a free agent and come in to win now. The sense in Atlanta ORG was let's win now. And the sense is when you do that in free agency and you're a quarterback needy team and your eighth overall on the clock, that now allows you to take the best player available to supplement the arrival of Kirk Cousins PERSON, to maybe trade out, to trade down.The Dallas Turner PERSON selection that everybody had them in their mock drafts. Dallas Turner wound up going 17th overall. Minnesota traded up one more time to go get him. He wound up being 17th overall. Byron Murphy, who would have been a very nice addition in the middle of the defensive line for Atlanta to help out win now and win a division right now, if not a Super Bowl EVENT right now.He went 16th overall. You could have traded out into those spots. You could have traded out into those spots and gotten those guys and more draft choices in a draft that's very top-heavy. I mean, the Buffalo Bills got two more picksin tonight's draft on purpose for that, and we'll discuss the bills and what they did later on on this program. You could have done that, but he's also saying we want to win later on. But Michael Pennix,if you do wait the four years, if you do say wait four years, that guy's going to be a 28-year-old quarterback who's not played before with the possibility of you picking up a fifth-year option of himnot having played a single snap. Now then, in terms of making sure that you're winning down the road, the famous website and firm spot track that keeps track of all the finances.

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I was just looking at it right now.

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Well, they tweeted this out, and I want to put it on the screen so everyone can understand

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what the Falcons are thinking, that Pennix is going to make $16 million over the next two seasons with his slotted contract as he ramps up and learns behind

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cousins who's going to earn $90 million over that span so that's a hundred million dollars

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$106 million at the quarterback spot which is you know 50 million a year that's like DAC right

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that's got it's like my home's money but after that they've got Michael Pennix on a two-year $6.8 million guarantee through

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2027 with the 50-year option to boot.

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Now, that is dirt cheap.

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And that, however, is going to be the window in which you want to try and win a Super Bowl

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that they have left, which is the rookie contract. You want to win in a rookie contract right now. That's why that makes no sense to wait the two years and bring him in to learn behind Kirk Cousins PERSON. The only thing that this could possibly remotely compare to that I have seen in the 21 years was back in the last time, the 21 years of doing the draft, back in the last time the Washington franchise chose a quarterback second overall in 2012, just like last night, they chose second overall, and they chose a Heisman trophy winning quarterback in Robert Griffin, the third. And then a couple of draft choices, draft rounds later, they chose Kirk Cousins PERSON.And I remember sitting at the NFL network draft set in Radio City Music Hall saying, why do that? The only time Kirk Cousins PERSON is going to play is if something has gone horribly wrong with your eggs in the basket decision, all eggs in the basket decision with the time, at the time, is to use the second overall pick on a quarterback. This version of it is to

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generationally enrich a quarterback further. Why would you go ahead and choose another quarterback when you've just chosen one? And it's amazing to me that the situation now involves Kirk Cousins PERSON in the role of being the one supplanted. And it's Michael Pennix, Jr., being the one brought in to make the quarterback wonder, are all the eggs in my basket or not? Time is a flat circle. It's unbelievable. And that is the point to just finish up on the, you know, going through the entire head scratcher here is what does Kirk Cousins think? Because you do have to win now with the guy. You're paying him like you want to win now. You've got to get at least two years out of him in win now mode. What is he thinking? Well, last night, the Falcons ORG called him just as they were making this choice to give him a heads up. And both Fontno PERSON and Rahim Morris

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were asked about that. Questions for Terry or Rahim, whichever one of you called Kurt PERSON, when you were on the clock and you tell me about it, what's his reaction?

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That's a private. We wouldn't share that, you know, and obviously we... Reactions are pretty private, right?

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Yeah. You know, he got called on the clock, obviously, because it's a sensitive time with the issues of what you got going on. It's never a right time to talk to a quarterback about those things, And reactions are always going to be private when it comes to those things. Unless Kurt PERSON decides to tell you some of those things, whatever the case may be. But he's a competitor, just like us all. And you can always expect those things to go, just like you kind of think.

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What were they really thinking?

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It didn't go well. Yeah. It didn't go well because that's why they're not sharing. It is WTO ORG. Reactions when they're positive will always be shared publicly, as you know. So, again, calling him with mere seconds left on the clock or just two minutes left on the clock,

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hey, this is what we're doing, is kind of like when you're paying for the bill at dinner and somebody else makes the reach for their wallet

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just as you've put your credit card down. Okay, let me, let me, I was really going to get this. I'm making the move. I'm making the, you know, I'm making, it's not reaching for the check. It's reaching for the wallet. This is like, oh, oh, you got it.It's like, nice try. I appreciate it you. I appreciate you acknowledging, but what does it do me? You know, you're not putting your credit card down in time. So, again, just to sum up,

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biggest head scratcher I've seen in 21 years of doing this draft, does it mean the Falcons can't win the Super Bowl in the next two years with Kirk Cousins PERSON? Absolutely not. Does it mean that they won't win the Super Bowl with Michael Pennix, Jr. PERSON when he gets out there? Absolutely not. Does this mean Michael Pennix, Jr. PERSON When he gets out there? Absolutely not. Does this mean Michael Pennix Jr.doesn't deserve to be the eighth overall pick in the NFL ORG draft? Absolutely not. Does it mean that he deserve to be born into the NFL ORG this way? He also might play week one.

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We don't know if Kirk Cousins PERSON is ready to go.

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Also, there have been 130 quarterbacks who played games in the last two years.

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But you also don't sign a quarterback to the contract that they did if you're questioning whether he's going to play week one. He's going to play week one. They expected the whole conversation. This entire six weeks was like Kirk Cousins has arrived. Atlanta's on the map. They're absolutely in the mix to win their division, if not the conference. And we'll see what they're going to do to supplement them with the eighth overall pick. and they didn't. And all they did was just add a lot of questions and a conversation like this one to start

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this show, which is a head scratcher. Headline. I'm scratching my head. I see you. So we'll talk about it

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all throughout this edition of The Rich Eisen Show, starting with the man who just sat on the couch.

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My buddy, the Rapsheet ORG man himself, at Rapsheet on Twitter, the must follow, and my buddy Ian Rappaport here on the Rich Eisen Show fresh off of last night stuff. And the man who told us before the pick was in, this could be panics. Don't be surprised. I was. Passion, drive, and patience.

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They want to know what's going on with the the 49ers receivers and who's going early tonight okay so let's jump in first on the falcons okay and because you were you were you were telling all of us for the last few days pennix juniors and play at eight and then it's the fal pick, and they get in my ear saying, let's go to Ian PERSON. And I say, all right, Ian, and you're like, I'm telling you guys, like, one last time, Michael Pennix Jr. is, I think you said, very much in play for the eighth overall pick in the draft.

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You hear so many rumors leading up to the draft, and this one would just not go away. And I had heard that they took a trip. Look, if you're going to do a fake out, right, then it's a long fake. leading up to the draft and this one would just not go away and I had heard that they took a trip look if you're going to do a fake out right then it's a long fake out to go from Atlanta to Washington ORG like I I don't know if you can get further right right so they went and and met with him and did the whole thing but he never visited top 30 there is that never visited but I don't know why you would likeif you're going to go out and meet with them, like, that's enough, right? Okay. And then there's always the fear that, like, someone finds out about the top 30. They go, oh, maybe the Falcons ORG take them, and then it's like someone trades up over them. So, like, you got to do your homework, but you have to be careful that someone doesn't jump you, right? Like, so anyway, so I hear this rumor.I talk some people. I'm like, all right, I'll say it on so I hear this rumor. I talk to some people. I'm like, all right, I'll say it on the pregame show, and I felt good about it, but, God, you just never know, like, is someone really going to do it? And then I got another callkind of further explaining why Pennix PERSON makes sense right before the pick, and I'm like, oh my God, it has to be him. So why does it make sense? Make sense of it? It makes sense right before the pick and I'm like, oh my God, it has to be him. So why does it make sense? Make sense of it?It makes sense because there's nothing more important than the quarterback and could they have taken an edge rusher who I think would have been Dallas Turner? Yeah, they could have taken Byron Murphy. Yes, very important players.Nothing's as important as a quarterback. But didn't they just already fill that need?

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Yeah, yeah.

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With a very enriching contract for a veteran that brings a certain sense of excellence to their franchise?

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay.

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I think here's how I see it. Okay. Kirk Cousins PERSON made them whole and normal. They have a good roster. He is a legitimate starting quarterback. Wherever you think he ranks, like 10th or 15th or I have no idea,wherever people think Kirk Cousins PERSON is, okay? Legitimate, good starting quarterback makes them a good team, makes him a playoff contender. That is basically a two-year proposition, okay? It's a four-year contract, but guaranteed money is two years. So then it's like, if you can make sure, and this was a battle for them to replace Matt Ryan with someone who's good in cable, and it cost them $100 million, at least.So if you can say for, you know, not this year, not next year, you have a very good backup for the next couple years, fine. But, and if something happened, You have a very good backup for the next couple years. Fine. But, and if something happens, you have a starter. But let's say from year, two years from now till 12 years from now, you're done. You got a guy. You don't have to worry about it. You're just good.To me, that's worth everything. It's the same argument I would make with the Packers ORG. And people would be like, they needed a weapon. Why would they take a quarterback? I'm like, nothing matters if you don't have a quarterback. So I understand the pick. I like to pick. Might it help them zero this year? It might. Best case in there, it helps them zero this year. That is okay. The thing I just don't understand

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is that when you sign a quarterback for a four-year deal, even if it's two years of real money, fine, you do that, then you're, you've taken care of business for your quarterback position to try and win a Super Bowl right here and right now. Nobody, when he was signed, was saying, well, but what about 27? What about 2028? That's not the way you do things in the NFL ORG if you want to win right here and right now. You don't worry about that. That would have been like the Jets ORG taking J.J. McCarthy

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at 10 last night. You know, where Aaron Rogers is, you know, two years to go, three years to go, coming off in Achilles, just like Kirk Cousins PERSON. We need to get somebody at 10 right now who's going to be playing for the next, you know, 12 years. I like the argument. And that to me, I even said that from this, and I love Jay-J. I want J.J. McCarthy to play for my team for the rest of my life based on what just happened this past year. And I thought that made no sense. I think it makes sense. I would not. Jay McCarthy to play for my team for the rest of my life based on what just happened this past year.And I thought that made no sense. I think it makes sense. I would not. You would have taken JJ McCarthy. If you're, Rogers PERSON coming back. He's Achilles PERSON. He's a kid.

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He's a kid who's going to take your job. And that's what Atlanta ORG just did.

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Well, first of all.

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Green Bay ORG did that.

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And he went back-to-back MVP WORK_OF_ART's.

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Well, right.

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So there's always the chance that Roder, I mean, Jets ORG didn't. Well, right. So there's always the chance that Jets

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didn't do it, obviously, but there's always the chance that Rogers PERSON gives him the finger as he did in Green Bay ORG and goes, cool, you take that guy? Great. He'll sit. He'll watch me. I'm going to be an MVP. I actually thoughtKirk Cousins PERSON might kind of do the same thing. You want to take that guy? Let's have him watch me for two years. Like the Rogers PERSON' reaction, which was, you know, the ultimate double bird, probably made him a better player. Maybe this makes cousins a better player. But here's the other thing.I don't care about any of that because the Packers are set up for the next 10 years now. And, like, I don't know where the Jets had J.J. McCarthy PERSON. And I don't really get the sense they seriously considered him or Pennix PERSON or any of the other guys. But I don't hate the argument because think about what it costs to get Rogers PERSON. Second round pick, a ton of money, like...

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What a head scratcher. I hear you. And I totally know what it's like roster building and money-wise and the back end of the contract, what, $6.8 million over the last two years leading into a fifth-year option for a starting quarterback in the NFL ORG.

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That is chump change.

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I mean, and Michael Pennix Jr. PERSON is no chump, you know.

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But all right, we'll see.

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You mentioned a in-rap board here on The Rich Eisen Show,

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the 49ers ORG wide receiver situation.

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What can you tell me about what almost happened last night and what still is in play

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going into tonight?

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Yeah, that was a fun one last night. That was another one where like, you know, I'm pitching my topics on air and I'm kind of like, all right, this can be interesting if the 49ers ORG take a receiver. And like, I kind of thought they were going to take a tackle. And then I'm like, I guess there's a chance they'd take one. And I wassurprised that it was pure. So I think a lot of people had him in the second round. Kyle PERSON's a very good scout. I think he knows offensive skill players, so I will trust him. But I was, I was a little

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surprised he went that early. Well, he said Ayuk PERSON even texted him to say that was a fire pick. They were teammates, weren't they? Yeah, Arizona State ORG. Arizona State, right? Because he transferred to Florida from Arizona State.

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And, you know, into the SEC from Arizona State, just like Jaden Daniels PERSON. But so were they close to trading IUC last night or Debo?

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Is Debo in play at all?

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So I don't get the sense that they were close to trading IUC last night.

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I think they would have done it maybe for a one.

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But it kind of feels like this is not,

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I wouldn't say this is like reporting.

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This is more just my general feel of the situation. Sure. It feels more like there's a little bit of a push to keep Ayyuk PERSON now. And could Debo be had? Like, maybe, you know? I think if you're, you know, Brandon Ayyuk PERSON is a very good player.I think they have made offers out to him to pay him like a very well-compensated receiver. It's not there yet, and the market has gone up, as we learned last night right before the draft and several other times this week. With A. J. Brown PERSON. Yeah. And then the Amin-Rod deal, I think, helped Ayuk PERSON's market. But keep your young good players.And if, you know, Debo's got two years left. He's already been paid once. Teams might be interested. Like, I could see it. That Debo could be the one traded tonight. Maybe, yeah. I know. It's hard to do because you got to, you want to get a guy physical. And so like, you know, worst case scenario is, let's say the 49ers ORG trade him, I don't know, tonight on the clock for a third rounder or something. And then, God forbid, he fails a physical. And then you're like, they already use the pick.So it's hard to do. Could you agree on it? It's a challenge. Like, there was a a you remember when the when Hollywood Brown PERSON got traded to the Cardinals ORG and it wasbroken on the clock he was already in Arizona having taken a physical and he literally showed up at their draft party being like I'm here but the deal was done because his physical was done so it's achallenge it really is so we need to look

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at doctors in certain towns that are looking at a D comma Samuel. Yeah, yeah. I thought you're going to say D comma

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bow. No, no, no. That would be wild if something like that happens tonight. What's, Bill PERSON's fans want to know what's up?

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And I think they're more concerned

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with the fact that they actually let the chiefs jump them. And if Xavier Worthy PERSON beats them in a division game or a conference final or something

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like that, that would be quite something. But what's the bill's philosophy by trading down with the

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chiefs and then out? Yeah, it's funny. I was thinking about this because it's like,

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oh, man, I can't believe the

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bills let the Chiefs

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take this receiver. And then it's like, well, it's not like the bills made the Chiefs ORG good. Like, Chiefs ORG are already good. They won the Super Bowl EVENT. They're pretty good. You know, now that they make them better? Like, maybe.

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But, you know, the bills are in a weird spot. It feels like a reset year. It feels like a collect, picks, and cheap assets year and use as many picks as you can. So the bills, I tweeted earlier and I'm going to mess it up now, but in one of their trades, they gained 30 places, 30, you know, was a pick swaps. And then in another one of the trades, they gained 59 or something like that.And that's pretty good. Like, that's really, so, you know, I assume the bills like Xavier worthy. I think most people had him as a first rounder, kind of a round where he was taken. I think the bills might have taken a receiver at 32, where the Panthers ORG came up and flopped with them. I don't know they would have taken the guy the Panthers ORG took, but my guess is it would

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be a good thing. Well, the guy the Panthers ORG took, as Daniel Jeremiah said last night told the world that the Panthers

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told me. I could not believe that.

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Xavier Leggett PERSON was telling everybody the

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Panthers ORG told me they're going to take me with

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the first pick of the second night.

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You know they were cringing when he said

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that. Like, come on, bro.

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Yeah, I know.

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We told you that in confidence.

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Canalis' response to try and cover those tracks, which is like, well, we told 50 players

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the same thing.

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But then they traded up to get the kid and get a fifth year option on him as well.

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So the bill's trading out. Is it possible the bills are traded out because they gave themselves an entire evening and day to try and pry Debo or Ayyukluse from San Francisco GPE? You know, I didn't get that sense.

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No. I don't know if they have the cap space. They only have like $3 million in cap space. And Debo is making like $12 million, something like that. So you got to, I mean, you can make it more than that, but I think that's his cap. I have to look it up.You got to be able to absorb it.

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You got to be able to absorb it. You got to be able to absorb it. So, like, I don't know that they could do it. I guess you can do anything, but I don't, I don't get that sense. I get the sense they would like to find their own deal with Samuel ORG or their own,

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you know, let's say it's a receiver to get their own. I mean, that's, you know, again, like this feels like a reset year. But there's nothing wrong with for Brandon PERSON being the bills to be like, you know, that deal made sense to them. Let's take a day. Maybe someone offers us more. Maybe, I mean, the 30th third pick doesn't get traded a ton, but maybe someone offers us something we can't refuse.So take a deep breath, get the assets. Take a day. Before I let you go, what are you expecting tonight, Crystal Ball PERSON? What do you have? I will be watching some, uh, see if we'll have some trades. Um, I don't think very many quarterbacks. Um, okay. I would say run on who, running backs?

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We'll get, we'll get some receivers at tonight. We'll get some running backs. Uh, yeah, I mean, there's going to be running back some receivers. Okay. Maybe, I mean, you know,

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there's some defensive guys still on the board. Kool-Aid, Cooper to Gene PERSON. There's some guys. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.Patreon.

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No, no. I don't know. I could see what you're, who cares? Hold a second.

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It's going to get better on defense, too.

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No, no. I know the look of an information, man.

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Like, you're about to say something and that didn't want to because you're not as comfortable about sharing that. Did that moment just happen with you right there? Did that moment just happen with you? Yeah, I mean.

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Like, I was about to say this, but I can't know if I should.

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Well, this is the problem with coming on shows like this

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is you feel like we're just having a conversation in your living room.

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Yeah.

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So it's like you're just sharing and then it's like, well, that's not ready for print. It's not like you were to use it on a reel on Instagram ORG or anything like that. But go ahead. Yeah. No, no, I'm, I'm good. He almost did it.I saw it. Should it give me some bourbon. I'll see it.

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Well, that's later tonight. Good to see you. Good to see you. Thanks, man. Look who's joining us. Look who looks all snaz.Oh, wow. Good to see it, Dan Roloski PERSON. We're going forward to seeing him at a Connecticut GPE golf course soon.

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All right, fantastic.

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That's next. This is the Rich Eisen Show WORK_OF_ART, Dan Rolovsky, here on our program here in Detroit GPE.

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You come to Connecticut GPE for golf?

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I go all the time.

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I play, yeah.

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Dan Orlovsky PERSON here on The Rich Eisen Show as we're back with a radio audience with our Roku channel live stream right here from Detroit GPE. I'll just throw in your lap. I saw your video last night after the Falcons ORG drafted Michael Pennix Jr. What are your two cents on it?

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When it happened completely perplexed, you know, I sitting here trying to make sense, trying to make sense of it and I couldn't. And then obviously I went to bed and I had a couple conversations about it this morning. With who? With others?

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You know, from Atlanta ORG? Did they reach out to you? They didn't reach out to me. No, no, no.

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No. But I just, like, you know, I sent like this emoji eyes to, you know, a couple people,

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and they were like, go ahead, ask it, you know? And I was like, okay, why? And when they

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this laid out to me, totally made sense. And then I started to think about that information. I was like, I actually liked the decision. Okay, so a couple of things. And I've shared this, but number one, they had Michael Penix PERSON's the number two quarterback in the draft, top four player.He was neck and neck with Jaden Daniels PERSON for them. So they valued the player. Number two, they realize and expect it. I mean, this is a team that won seven games last year with pretty darn poor quarterback play. They think they're going to be pretty good with Kirk PERSON over the next couple years. So they don't believe that when that time comes to go get that next guy, it's going to beas easy as, like even myself thinks it is to get up in the draft, you know, to go get a guy

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that you really believe is that talented of a quarterback. And the third thing was they went out on that, they went out for a private workout

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with Michael. And they said 50 degrees, windy day, and everyone thought they were inside watching

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him to throw the football. And they said, I saw him to throw the football. Like, and again,

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going all in on, on criticizing the pick, as I guess I did to start this program.

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And not Jerry Jones PERSON all in.

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Like, I literally went all that.

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It was like, you disrespect a little bit? You know, I didn't disrespect. You prefaced it by saying that it wasn't.

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No, I prefaced it by saying this is nothing to do with Pennix PERSON's ability. Right. Or rightful top 10 pick in this draft. Sure. There's nothing to do with that i mean the kid throws it he's he's unbelievable right it's just that then then why are you paying cousins ORG a hundred

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million bucks like why are we doing that why my guess is that they and then let him throw out a first pitch at the braves game and talk about i'm going to retire here right and they clearly have other plans on that front well my guess is that there was no really i get you know this is part of the how the NFL calendar works. Like free agency, teams go from the season to free agency, right? And I would imagine. And so like free agency happens. We have to figure out the quarterback situation. Who do wego after? All right, so we're going to go and sign Kirk Cousins PERSON. And then you transition to the draft. Again, I've never built a team, but this is my assumption of the chronological order of how it goes. And then you start to do your due diligence on these prospects, and you get this quarterback, and you're like, man, we're kind of intrigued with them. We pick eight, and then you have this workout, and he throws the ball as good as anybody but Matthew Stafford PERSON, in their words, as far as people that have been around a guy like that, and you sit there. And Rich, if we think about the three most important people in the conversation, okay,the owner has been searching for the quarterback since Matt Ryan PERSON left or Matt Ryan retired.

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So then you're sitting there as the owner going, I don't want to be in this anymore.

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And then the head coach, Rahim Morris, just was a part of the Rams ORG. I'm going, okay, if you don't have a quarterback, like, you can't win. And the general manager, Terry Fontano, was in New Orleans when they didn't have the plan for what they were going to do post Drew Brees PERSON. And they were admiring in, like, what's the guy, who's the guy next? So I think, like, the vision of looking forward, I understand. I do. I see both parts of the argument and the conversation.

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But when someone sits there and says, like, this guy we thought so highly of that we, if we were at two, you know, Jaden Daniels goes at two, like we thought they were that same type of quarterback. I understand it. I do. And I think it's smart because we have so many teams. And they realized they weren't going to be able to get up in the future.Like they just honest, you know, like Rahim came from the Rams ORG, right? What have the Rams done for years with their number one pick? Get rid of it because it's pointless, it's eventually. And I think that that's what they envisioned what their next couple years with Kirk PERSON is going to be, is they're going to be picking late in the first round.

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I just find it, again, just mystifying that you go in free agency and you do what you do in free agency and you pay the quarterback what you're paying him in free agency.

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And I understand the two years are the two years. And after that, who knows? And, you know, the hoop law is so significant. He talks about, I'm going to retire here. And the entire time he's talking about retiring here and throwing out a pitch at the Braves ORG game, they're pounding the pavement on his replacement.

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And that is a wild way to build a team and try and win now for the team that is set to win now.

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And that's a locker room is going to have to deal with it.

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And obviously Rahim Morris PERSON, that's what he can do.

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And he's outstanding at dealing with personalities and figuring all that out. It's just a weird way of going into the two seasons of saying, hey, we're all in on you. We need you to win right now. We'd love to win right now. We think we can win right now.

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But the clock's ticking.

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But isn't that always how it is when this situation presents itself, it's always weird. Like when they took Aaron and had Brett PERSON, it was weird. And then when they took Jordan and had Aaron, it was weird. When they took Patrick and had Alex PERSON, it was kind of weird. They were just coming off of a playoff run. I believe Buffalo had went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor when they took Josh PERSON.So that was a little, maybe not as weird. And the money I understand is different. I just, I think that philosophically, hearing, I guess, the thought process and the vision of it all, I understand why Atlanta ORG did what it did. And we could also pretty comfortably say, they don't have to worry or think about quarterback until like 2030. I hear you.

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And I guess what you're saying is the awkwardness of the two, three-year period of the, I guess, overlap is nothing compared to the 10 years of championship bliss. That the Packers are hoping that they're entering right now with Jordan Love PERSON.

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The bills, we're not talking about the awkwardness between Tarad Taylor and Josh Allen whatsoever. Right. I hear you. It just, I'm shocked by it, and I'm still just head scratching over it, but I'm appreciative of you,I guess, giving us your sort of journey on the subject matter here, Dan Rolovsky, on the Rich Eisen Show WORK_OF_ART. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May PERSON, your full agreement with those choices?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Well, I thought, from the jump, I would have gone Jaden number one.

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It wasn't like Jaden won, and then, Caleb PERSON, it was a very clear, hey, like, it was a preference because I've seen the development out of Jaden Daniels PERSON, and I've seen the development out of Jaden Daniels and I've seen the consistency out of Jaden Daniels PERSON, and I think the pocket, the patience and peace

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and movement, I liked a little bit more. But I'm a massive Caleb Williams fan. I think he's obviously physically talented. I think the two things for Caleb, you know, Chicago, I would put as like a top six or seven skill group now, you know, with the addition of Romo Dunzee PERSON. Is Caleb PERSON going to be willing to constantly hit singles? He's going to have to go on that journey.My guess would be yes because of the maturity and awareness. The Notre Dame ORG game, everyone continues to say, like, why do you harp on one game? The Notre Dame ORG game, if you looked at the way that Notre Dame played against USC last year, it was NFL ORG style of defenses. It was NFL style of fronts. It was NFL style of coverages. It was NFL style of show one picture pre-snap and show another. Caleb PERSON really struggled.And so he's going to have to really learn from that. He's going to have to grow from that and realize like that's going to be, you know, the consistent stuff that he's going to see in the NFL ORG. Again, highly intellectual kid, I'm highly motivated kid. I think he's going to be a star. Jaden and Washington ORG, again, goes into a pretty good spot because the skill position places. It'll be fascinating to watch out Cliff Kingsbury PERSON builds the offense around him because I don't think you just run the same stuff he did with Kyler PERSON. He's a different type of player, different type of passer. Jaden is than Kyler. And then Drake PERSON, it was the place that Ifelt most comfortable for Drake May to go. Why? New England LOC is no business trying to win right now. And because Jacoby Brissette is there, there's no rush to get Drake May PERSON on the field. He's an unbelievable physical talent. If you put a kid who's physically talented but mechanically flawed out there too early, you ruin them, more than likely, especially in New England, where Boers Pass protecting offensive line in the NFL last year, they're leading Russia ran for 640, their leading receiver at 560. You're going to die as a rookie quarterbackin New England, unless you're like out of this world. And I don't think Drake PERSON is there just yet. And I think New England LOC stays patient and allows him to sit and grow and develop the, you know, get through the flaw and work on the flaw so it's no longer the talking point. New England is a really good place for him in 2025, 2025, 26. Fair to say, J.J. McCarthy PERSON wound up in the perfect spot? I think you can make the case that J.J. McCarthy PERSON is in the best spot we've seen arookie quarterback going offensive-wise in a long time. And I just said this about Caleb PERSON. I think Caleb goes into the best overall situation for number one quarterback, but you're talking about a guy that, one, is going to play in a scheme that always props quarterbacks up. It just does. It makes them play greater than their physical talent. Two, that scheme is married with a play caller that I think Kevin O'Connell's got himself into the conversation for one of the top six, seven playcars we have in the NFL ORG.And then Justin Jefferson and Addison and Hawkinson and Aaron Jones PERSON and a top eight offensive line. That's so rare for a rookie quarterback to go into. And, you know, when you look at what JJ PERSON does best, he's phenomenal in the play action pass game. He was top, I think, eight or nine and all the play action pass stuff in college football last year. Minnesota ran it at the third most in the NFL last year.So just taking players really good at this, team wants to do this, bang. It's a tremendous place. I've said this, Rich. I think after last night, I would go neck and neck. Favorite for offensive rookie of the year would be JJ or Caleb. Really? You put J.J. McCarthy PERSON in that

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conversation? Yeah. I think it's that good of a place, and I think he is physically a much better

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player than people expect.

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I'm not going to get any argument from, you're not going to get any argument for me on that front.

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Six quarterbacks taken in the first 12 picks.

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The number of those six that are going to start this fall would be what?

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Start meaningful games?

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Start meaningful games. Okay. Aren't all games meaningful? I mean, no.

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In the NFL ORG. Yeah. Every rep is safe. Consequential games, maybe. So I think that the top two start pretty quickly. If not day one, I'd be surprised if both Caleb and Jaden PERSON don't.I think J.J. McCarthy's got a really good chance to be their starter week one. Even though I love Sam Darner PERSON, I just think J.J. is going to have a really good chance to. J.J. McCarthy's got a really good chance to be their starter week one, even though I love Sam Darner. I just think JJ PERSON is going to have a really good chance to. JJ's going to play this year. Bo Nix PERSON will start. I'd be shocked if he doesn't.I would be concerned with Drake May PERSON starting just strictly because I don't want his talent to go away. If you told me he was going to start a little bit in December, I'd be okay with it. I don't think Michael Pennix starts this year unless Kurt PERSON, for some reason, has an issue with his rehab and the injury, and I don't anticipate that.

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Which is, again, the head scratcher, because he's one, could you say he's the most pro-ready? You could make an argument.

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Yeah, you can make the argument. You can make the, in terms of processing, the way he throws the ball.

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I mean, and...

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But I... But I never get into pro ready. I never understand that. Like I, I, who cares if you're that pro ready? Who's going to be really good for 10 years, I think, is like the more important thing?Sure.

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But even you just pointed out with Drake May PERSON, it's important how you're birthed into the league to make sure you get to those 10 years. Totally. Because you can get screwed up. Totally. That's, you know, so I guess that's the whole,the whole equation. So you'll go, what, four out of the six? Yeah. Start a consequential game.

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Yeah, like, meaningful games, for sure, yes. And then Drake PERSON, maybe at the back end of the years, very similar to, like, you know, what happened, you know, with Patrick's first year. Obviously, Jordan PERSON played,but that was because of injury more.

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It was COVID. I think it was a COVID situation. Yep. But that would be the one that I would sit there and just be like, I don't want to ruin this young man. Brother, thanks for coming on, man. Pleasure, always.Yeah, Dan Orlovsky here, wrapping up hour number one. Hour number two is going to start with that man that just settled into our couch on our green room.

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He's a vast. What's on, Dan PERSON. His name is Joel Klaff PERSON. We were hanging out all night last night. We're going to hang out top of our number two. Still have about 90 seconds left here.But, yeah, Joel, I got two, I got two quarterbacks.

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We found the one, Rich PERSON. We found the one that likes the Pinnix ORG pick. We did. We found the one. See? There's always one.

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Teaser. That's a tease.

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You had to come around on it.

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He did.

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And you got some people from Atlanta ORG are like, this is what we're thinking. You had to come around on it. He did. And you got people from Atlanta

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were like, this is what we're thinking. You asked what's going on?

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Yeah, I reached out.

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Are you scheduled to do an Atlanta game week one? No, no, no, no.

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The schedule's coming out. I understand it.

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Like, I understand it. I also was a fan of the Jordan Love PERSON pick when it happened. Yeah. And I get it that they're different situations, but I just, I believe that so often we get these young talented quarterbacks and they don't survive or they're not successful andit's not necessarily mainly because of them. And this is a good place for a quarterback that and is age sir but like there's also covid in the conversation you know so you know him jaden and bow PERSON are older because of

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covid and i guess this is a perfect time to announce that the second monday night game of week two is atlanta hosting and dan oolovsky PERSON will be in the booth i've just been told no i love it i love

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it's it's a man you're the best you're the best kidding but're the best. I understand what is the rationale. It's just, it's wild. It's going to take me a little bit more than just an overnight to buy it.

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Yeah.

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Mike Carruthers shares little pieces of intel and interviews you can use to improve your life on the Something You Should Know WORK_OF_ART podcast.

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That can actually increase the chances of that letter being read by up to 75%. Some people actually glance down and read the PS first. Something you should know. Search on YouTube ORG or wherever you listen.