Why Albon re-signed for Williams + Ferrari's Imola upgrades

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The race is on, and Alex Albin is the latest to sign a new long-term F-1 ORG deal,

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committing his future to Williams, as F1 heads back to Imler GPE amid great expectations from the Tophosi about Ferrari ORG's latest upgrade. So what's behind the latest driver market move and what should we expect from the first visit to Italy of the year? I'm Ed Sture and joining us to reveal all us, Scott Mitchell Malm and Josh Sotil PERSON. Well, Scott PERSON, this must bring back memories of your very fruitfultrip to Imler last year.

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Oh God, I genuinely was not thinking about it and had forgotten almost. That was a very underwhelming 24 hours in which I became increasingly sceptical that the race would go ahead and tried to kind of preempt it and get away with not traveling, but I was in hindsight quite correctly coerced into going anyway because there was no guarantee and it would have been absolutely stupid not to.And then within about 30 minutes of land in Bologna Airport, where I could already see flying in just how bad the flooding had bit, it was so horrific in the region. And around the airport wasn't even the worst bit by any stretch of the imagination. I parked myself in a service station near to the airport because I thought, well, better not go any further. And then within, yeah, about, within about 45 minutes, I think, of landing, I was getting tips that the race was set to be suspended. So yeah, hastily arranged areturn flight home. I think I had to fly via Frankfurt or Munich GPE. And it was the shortest Grand Prix weekend experience of my career, one I won't forget. And it means I still haven't been to Imola for a Formula One race, which is really disappointing. It even eclipses Australia 2020 when we

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went all the way to the other side of the world for an F1 Thursday. And then that was about it.

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Australia GPE probably does still win. Even though we got there and we did have a full day and a bit on site, the amount of travelling to and from means that like per hour spent getting to a race, that was still the biggest waste of time ever. Yeah, absolutely.

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And yeah, well, it was funny the Imala ORG thing, because you can never really tell from the news coverage how serious something is. Sometimes it's exaggerated. But sometimes, as in this case, it almost went the other way, where the flooding was horrendous, a huge amount of damage,and obviously they'll still be feeling the effects of that. So looking forward to see the progress that's been made in the area when I get back over there. In fact, later today I shall be flying. And Josh, where does Imala ORG rank for you? Is that an exciting circuit for you?You're a little bit younger than us. So I wonder whether Imala ORG has the same resonance for you.

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Well, other than having an excuse to stay at home and not see anyone, I think one of the best things about the pandemic was, you know, Imala ORG returning to the calendar. I think it's a great track. Even without history, if it just come on in 2020, I think anybody watching would have hopefully agreed that it's a great track.I think it's a fantastic classic track, and I'm glad it's back on the calendar, and I hope it sticks around. I think there's only a deal until maybe next year, so that might be something that hopefully get sorted soon, because I think, yeah, the calendar's a richer place with himthey're on the calendar.

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Yeah, and it wouldn't have happened the longer-term deal without the race turning up in 2020 as well. That actually made it possible to pull together the various companies that could fund it. So I hope it is for the long haul, but remains to be seen.

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We should probably stress there that you mean the Amelia Romagna Grand Prix turning up on the calendar in 2020, not the race as in this entity. We were not instrumental in Imola coming back into Formula One PRODUCT long term.

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Well, so you claim. But who knows what some of us were doing behind the scenes in terms of race organising. We're really keen to get racing started. But yes, very much the Amelia Romagna Grand Prix or the San Marino Grand Prix EVENT, as I like to think of it. But because, of course, the local region, which is Amelia Romagna, that's sort of the for English NORP listeners, that's kind of the county for once of a betterword, that's Amelia Romagna GPE, so that's why it's got that name, but yeah, I can't help but think of it as San Marino.

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Made in Italy GPE, it's got a longer name again now.

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It's got one of those terrible. It's just a terrible name.

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Yeah, it's just a terrible name.

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Yeah, it is. So yeah.

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It was much better when it was named after a country.

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It wasn't in.

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That was much more.

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That was far, far more sensible.

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Yeah, far more sensible.

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It's funny, isn't it?

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Some oddity like that then actually seems perfectly normal and should be the way things are.

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It's better to do something like that than to have sort of egregious sponsor names.

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In this case, given they're the ones that are properly making it possible.

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I don't mind it too much. But, yeah, your San Marino Grand Prix and your Luxembourg Grand Prix EVENT, they're the real heroes, aren't they, in the naming acronisms.

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Yeah, Luxembourg Grand Prix and the Urbegring was an odd one. So was the Swiss Grand Prix at Dijon going back a little bit further. That was a deeply dubious one. But anyway, we're digressing now and getting into bring back V10's territory. So let's get back to contemporary matter, Scott PERSON.

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Alex Albin signed what's called a new long-term deal with Williams ORG. That was announced this morning. There were times when that seemed unlikely. So why has Albin committed himself to what's currently, one of F1 ORG's slowest teams? Yeah, it'll all be about the bigger picture and what he thinks is possible in the long term for Williams, because if you do judge it objectively on 2024 so far, it doesn't make any sense.Williams ORG is not only pointless, not a pointless team, just a pointless team. It is off the back of a torrid winter. It has a massive backlog of upgrades. The car is better as a baseline,as an all-rounder versus last year, but it's missing the peaks and it's underdeveloped. So it's just sort of hovering in sort of P-12 to P-15 territory, really, P-11 on a good day, and therefore missing out on points. Coupled with the fact that there are several teams on the grid that are able to boast interesting projects,that's not just the top half of the field. That's also your Audi taking over Salba ORG, for example. Alpine ORG for all of the criticism and borderline ridicule, it is still a works team. Even Hass is getting its act together massively and looks much more appealing as a prospect than it did six months ago. So there are credible options elsewhere.I think one of the key things for Albon PERSON, in addition to what he likes about Williams, which is the strong leadership with James Vowes PERSON, the strong investment from Doralton, which Albon PERSON is aware of and has conversations about the fact that he'll probably be getting a much better salary now than he did on his original Williams ORG deal. He's also, or Williams ORG has also been helped by the driver market situation as Albin's been linked to the likes of Red Bull Ferrari and Mercedes, even Aston Martin ORG, over thelast six to 12 months. But all of those seats are taken, McLaren ORG's taken too. There isn't a better seat for him in the top half of the grid. When you judge the second half of the grid and the fact that Albon PERSON has a bunch of these other factors that he likes, including the loyalty, because it's Williams that got him back into F1 in the first place in 2022 after his rebel demotion, then there isn't an overwhelming candidate to go to instead. It would be a sideways

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move probably at best. And Albon has helped to make Williams ORG a much more attractive prospect as well in the last couple of years. You know, if you had two Logan Sargent PERSON's there, it's not going to look anywhere near as an attractive prospect. So Ed PERSON and I were talking about this earlier, but, you know, Williams ORG has become a much better option. And I'm sure there were other drivers elsewhere,at the back of the grid who were thinking that that could be a good option. We know that both Alping ORG drivers, that Williams ORG was a possibility for them. So there was probably an element also of Albon PERSON needing to commit fairly early to Williams to make sure that he's the one who reaps the benefits of all the hard work that both he and the team have donebecause I can perfectly imagine a scenario where if he didn't, they'd be sooner, I think, sniffing around a few alternatives.

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Yeah, and Williams ORG have been talking to a lot of drivers.

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They're really looking not just for if Albin PERSON had left,

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but also the other seat, which is still up in the air. So the one thing I would imagine is that Albin PERSON's probably done quite a nice deal in terms of terms, because when he originally went to Williams, Red Bull ORG did the deal and it wasn't the most favourable deal for the driver, let's say, in terms of the overall pay, etc. And I think in recognition of what he's brought to that team, whichis a huge amount. They wouldn't have been seventh without Alex Albin last year. They could easily have been 10th without him. And that would have made $30 or million worth a difference in terms of the prize money, and then that has impacts on what they're able to invest in, etc, etc. So he's been hugely valuable, and I hope he's rewarded with that one as well. And it's very much committing his sort of peak F1 ORG years to the cause of this team,which is, in the absence of an offer, a firm 100% offer from one of the top teams. That's as good as anywhere, really.

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And he can properly spend his best years as a proper spearhead for a team as well.

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Even if there was an opening at a top team, you know, becoming Maxisappan PERSON's teammate again,

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joining LeCirk at Ferrari ORG, you know, all of those options would have probably resulted in him playing second fiddle. I'm sure he'd have fancied his chances of matching up, but he's got a much better opportunity of being the spearhead at Williams ORG, you know, even if he has a more competitive teammate alongside him in the next couple of years, I think he'd still bank on Albon PERSON having a really good chance to remain that

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spearhead. The other thing within that is that it doesn't preclude him making another move at some point because as Ed described it those peak years, Albon has regularly referred to himself as quite old for an F1 ORG driver in the last couple of seasons when he's talked about the driver market. He isn't. He's still in his 20s. But he knows that he knew, sorry, that the nextmove he made would take him into the next rule set. So he's probably looking for a deal that's going to go not just to the end of 26, but probably to the end of 27. We know that this is a multi-year deal. That's all Williams is saying. So that is taking him into his 30s. And he probably has at least one more like proper deal after that if he's performing well and the driving market aligns. You know, he could carry on racing until his late 30s, but that's kind of your era, your peakyears ed is talking about, late 20s, early 30s, that's where you need to be in a team where you can have success. But he is just on the right side of it so that if for whatever reason this doesn't quite work out as he hopes in two or three years time, as long as he keeps performing, his stock should still be high and there will be an out. There will be an option that arises somewhere, or he'll hope there's an option arises somewhere if he needs it. But he's banking on the fact that he won't need it. He is committed to this Williams ORG project.He does have that loyalty to it. He does want to achieve what he wants to achieve with Williams ORG, not just in F1 in general. So I like it. We see a lot of this, don't we? We've talked so many times on this podcast when it comes to the driver market and long-term contracts about franchise drivers and teams and drivers that align for the long term. This is obviously a better deal for Williams ORG than it is for Albin from a competitive point of view because Williams gets an absolute top driver, a driver that Vals reckons has put in world champion level drives in his time with the team.Albin doesn't have the same in return from a car point of view, but the hope is he'll get closer and closer to that over the next few years. So while not exactly what Albin PERSON necessarily wants or deserves in the short term, it's more than just the marriage of convenience in the medium and long term,

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or they want it to be more than that. Yeah, it's one of those classic deals. It's not the dream deal because he was a driver who was in contention for a lot of different seats. He was of interest to a lot of teams. But there was always the risk he was second, third, fourth, fifth choice for loads of teams. And if you can't get in somewhere, then that doesn't really count for anything. I think he will have a, maybe a tiny tinge of disappointment. I'm not sure there'll be any disappointment about the Red Bull ORG door closing, because I was never convinced that was a great route to go, although the team did hold him inhigh regard. And that could have been a possibility for 26. But yeah, it's strange, isn't it? It's not a terrible move. It's not the perfect move. It's just kind of a, you can see why it's happened. It's a decent place to be, even though it's not their perfect. Does anyone have any sympathy for him in terms of the fact he should be in a top team or one that's maybe further down the line? I guess Audi ORG was one that was possible and there were loads of other teams that he could have ended up sliding into, or do you think this is about right for him?

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Well, he's obviously a driver that does merit a better car than he has from Williams ORG at the moment, but you could argue that for, you know, a handful of drivers at different points over the last year or two, and sometimes you do just have to be patient. It's obviously all relative, but I would argue that you probably have more sympathy for a GeorgeRussell who waits ages to get into a top team and then gets into that top team just as it form nose dives in relative terms to what it was achieving before. So it would be nice, absolutely, for Alvin PERSON to have a better seat, and he does deserve one in the short term. But yeah, the only one that looked like even remotely possible, really, would be at Mercedes ORG.And I believe there were some tentative initial conversations. But Albin PERSON realized quite quickly that he'd basically just be a stopgap there because they're dead set on Andrea Kimi Antonelli PERSON at some point. So I think if it's a case of do you go somewhere better for, do you go somewhere better for a year or two, but something that still won't let you achieve your ultimate goals,or do you bank on this as a longer term thing with security and hopefully the high upside that you believe is there, then that's not a bad sort of, if it's second prize, it's a pretty good consolation. When you look at the line then that's not a bad, sort of, if it's second prize, it's a pretty good consolation.

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When you look at the lineups for the top five teams as well for the next year, really you're looking at, you know, Lance Stroll PERSON, obviously he'd be an upgrade there, but that's never been a realistic possibilityand Alonzo PERSON staying in the other seat and fully deserves to. So then you're looking at, you know, Red Bull, that second seat, and yes, probably would be an upgrade on Sergio Perez. But you have to remember Perez got that seat in the first place becauseAlbon had that Red Bull ORG seat and couldn't make the most of it and then lost it. And then Perez did a really good job in the midfield and pick that seat up. So I don't think there's a huge injustice here. Albon's rightly had a second chance and he's rebuilding his career really well. And I hope he'll get another chance at the front. But unlike some drivers who have never had a chance in a front running car, Albon PERSON has at least had that shot, even if it was a very difficult one.And unfortunately, you know, he wasn't able to make the most of it.

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Yeah, and Williams ORG isn't a bad place to be. Certainly there's going to be real long-term progress there. They've got a car that's a bit harder to score points in because it's more of an all-rounder as a car, but as you alluded to, Scott PERSON, it spends a lot of time between 12th and 16th place.I think it's only spent 16 laps in the points so far this season. So there's an interesting trajectory that he's along for the ride for.

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Well, Ed PERSON, what's your reading on their kind of season so far? Do you think they'd be kind of disappointed with what they've got so far, not in terms of results, but I guess how close they are from the front. Do you think they're expected a little more progress?

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I think they're disappointed because they've hindered themselves, really, in terms of all the stuff they've tried to do on process, increasing more necessary complexity into the building of the car, making a greater number of new parts that sort of stressed their systems for tracking all the parts and everything beyond what they were capable of.So it was a bit of a scramble. So there's performance that should have been on that car for the first half dozen races that just hasn't been and they had the problem not having the spare chassis and that set them back as well.More repairs after Miami GPE as well after Sergeant PERSON ended up in the wall following the contact with Magnuson. So I think when you factor all that in which is stuff they didn't want to happen but there there's reasons for it. And as long as it leads to the right corrections being in place and the systems being fine in future, that's,that's okay. I think they're quite satisfied with the fact they have that less peaky car, a more even consistent car that they can put performance on. They're not dependent on being overpowered in certain areas. So on certain tracks where you can gain track position and use straight line speed because you haven't got enough downforce ultimately to hold it. That was their calling card before. But now it's a very different type of racing. And it's a better car, but perversely a harder car to score in. But there'supgrades that are starting to appear and it won't take much because they're about one and a half percent off the pace on average, which is very similar to the average over the course of last year. So it won't take a huge amount, but they have slipped from being the seventh, eighth, quickest in the first few weekends to ninth more recently. So some work to be done and there's upgrades over the next few weekends that will help with that and they need to get a little bit better balance between high speed and low speed performance with the setup, etc. All about getting that floor runningas low as possible as often as possible. Platform Control Challenge. So, yeah, it's neither a triumph nor a disaster for Williams ORG, really. It could have been better, but there's reasons for it, and it's the right sort of trajectory. Sometimes you need to take one step backwards to go to forwards.

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Let's move on to Ferrari now, Scott PERSON. They have a significant upgrade this weekend. The first one of this size that they've had this season. What do we know about it?

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We've seen glimpses of it already and it does as you say seem significant. It's a quite extensive reworking of quite key parts of the bodywork. Unsurprisingly we see changes in the sort of cypod area in particular with the the inlets. It looks a little bit more like what we've seen introduced by Red Bull ORG and to a lesser extent McLaren this season having followed the prevailing trend set by Red Bull last year. It's been, I've seen it described on social media as like a SF-24 Evo or the 2.0 PRODUCT and I hatethese terms. Like it's better than when people label stuff a B-spec when it's absolutely not a B-spec. But it's not when the car's not been seen properly in full and you have an, and you don't really know exactly what it's intended to achieve, it's just so, it's so easy to just label the car as such when you're just like spouting off on social about it. But it does, it does look extensive. It will be interesting.I mean, we had in Miami GPE, for example, McLaren ORG introduced that long list of upgrades, extensive, top to tail on that car. And their CEO, Zach Brown PERSON did, I think, refer to it as a bit of a B spec. So who knows? Maybe Fred Fosser will come out or Leclair or Sines will come out in Imola GPE on Thursdayand just be like, oh, yeah, absolutely. This is 2024, 2.0 PRODUCT. This is going to be absolutely mega. This is a Red Bull ORG beta. I suspect they're not going to be quite so, quite so gung-ho about it in their predictions. But when you see an upgrade like that, you know where Ferrari ORG's development has been ingeneral in the last sort of 12 months, which is nine months or so, which has been really strong and does seem to have chipped away at their weaknesses and built on strengths, you have to be encouraged and you have to at least, I think, give them credit because they've earned the benefit of the doubt with the progress that they made in in the season last year and how they started this year with the 2024 car. So if this continues that trajectory, it could be the upgrade that they say and feelthat they need to start challenging Red Bull ORG on a more regular basis. Obviously, the counter to that is that Imala ORG could well be when we start to see more upgrade on the Red Bull, which could move

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the goalposts again. Yeah, Fred Vassir PERSON said they only needed a small step to basically be challenging Red Bull every single weekend. So, you know, how extensive this upgrade is, you'd have to say you'd hope that would produce a small step and that would be the small step they need. So, yeah, I think they sort of set themselves up to something where we can at least expect a small step forward. And the gaps are so close, where at certain tracks in particular, I think they are kind of well within range of Red Bull ORG already. and you'd hope this little small step would bring them even closer.

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Yeah, and ultimately, when judging the effect of upgrades, it's very difficult because so much is in the underfloor that you can't see. Like I said with Williams ORG, it's all about just working the underfloor as hard as possible without hitting trouble, making sure you've got low speed and high speed, downforce and balance and everything. That's the big challenge. And relatively modest things can make a big impact on that.We don't think this Ferrari package is going to be a second. But as you alluded to there, if they gain three-tenths, that's huge. That's their average deficit, give or take. Tends to be two to three-tenths in the race. I think it's about 0.3 and 0.3% on average or thereabouts from memory. Rather than 3%, that'll be a bit distressing for Ferrari ORG. So yeah, it should get them a little bit closer.And as we said before, every time the chasing group gets a little bit closer, it gets a tiny bit more complicated and less easy for Red Bull ORG. So that just makes for more interesting races and the potential for more being nicked off Red Bull ORG. Still the best car, still going to win the most races. But if Ferrari can do a little bit of what McLaren ORG did and they can kind of both be there, just complicates the race at the front a bit more.

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Yeah, there's a bit of validation for McLaren needed as well, I guess, this weekend after their Miami GPE step forward. Again, like you said, we can kind of see hopefully a bit more how much of a step forward that actually was. And then theoretically, at least from the way Versaurs that saw it on Sunday in Miami GPE, we have kind of got a group of three there at the front who were kind of emerging as two

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proper threats to Red Bull. Yeah, and it's been a happy hunting ground for McLaren in recent years. Imalurans should suit their car. So, yeah, interesting to see the balance of Red Bull, McLaren ORG, and Ferrari. Josh, there's also off-track news for Ferrari since Miami GPE. The first big thing is a change on Charlotte GPE Clerk's side of the garage. Can you explain that?

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Yeah, so as a race engineer, Chavvy Marcos PERSON, who you probably kind of know from various radio messages, often you see them across social media, can see, you know, usually as catchphrase as we are checking, and all sorts of things that you basically see. So he's probably one of the most kind of well-known race engineers,but he's basically departed. He's still with Ferrari ORG, but he'll have a more of a factory-based role. And they're going to bring in, um, Brian Botsey PERSON to replace him as the race engineer. Uh,so yeah, a significant change. It always is when you bring in a new race engineer. They haven't been given extensive reasoning as to why this change has been made. But certainly, when, you know, we've seen these various clips from the onboard, the communication isn't always as smooth.So you could make a suggestion there, but that change has been made to help kind of clear the communication. But like I say, no official reason has been given. So I'm sure we'll find out a lot more during Thursday as to why this change has been made.

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And as he's been the performance engineer to Leclerc PERSON, it doesn't seem to reflect a whole spread change in the approach of everything. It's always hard to know exactly why change has been made, but they keep stressing organisational rather than it being a kind of decision to travel less or that kind of thing. So I don't know whether some of those interesting communications were felt to not be optimal and there was a way to improve it. Sometimes you do get gains from doing that or it might just be one of the standard things that happen. But yeah,when it's the performance engineer stepping up, that's as seamless as it gets because he's all right. Basically the performance engineer is kind of the number two race engineer almost if you want to think of it that way. It slightly varies depending on how each team works, but that's as far as a change goes, a race engineer change is big, but that's the smallest possible version of a race engineer change, let's put it that way. The performance

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engineer is also someone that the driver will be in communication with over the radio at different times, not obviously necessarily during when they're actually on track. We often hear them in the garage before the start of the race when waiting for a restart, for example. So not only will the performance engineer be well established in terms of radio protocol, they'll know exactly how the race engineer talks to the driver. They'll also have their own communication as well. So outside the car, obviously, but crucially inside the car. So yeah, you're right, Ed PERSON. It's about the sameit gets purely because you don't start from zero. It will be one of the main things to learn, I think, on hopefully day one of Imala, but through the weekend, exactly where this came from and what the real motivation was behind it it because it's obviously not going to be um quite the same uh i suspect it's not going to be quite the same as when valetri botas PERSON seemed taken aback and annoyed at sal by getting rid of his race engineer which uh which played out over the miami weekend botas did know before the weekend that that change had been made but you clearly didn't consent to itso did lecler drive it did he accept it is a Verser PRODUCT thing? Is it somewhere else in the team where it's felt, as you say, had organisational change. You know, why was this necessary? Fred PERSON has, Fred PERSON's been really kind of gentle at times with what changes he's made and when. Some stuff was made, was done quickly. Some stuff has been a little bit more of a slower evolution. But what he didn't want to do when he came in was arrive and immediately been off like 20 peopleand then overhaul the garage or anything like that. He's taking his time to learn stuff. And you have to say, again, a little bit like on the technical development side, Ferrari ORG's earned the benefit of the doubt under the Sir for the way it sets the team up and the way it operates. And one of the lingering weaknesses, I think, through last year,there probably hasn't been the same sort of stuff in the first part of this season to really have a flashpoint. But there was still a lingering communications issue in terms of, do you remember, like, it was LeCler who got the grid penalty in Monaco GPE, wasn't it? Because of impeding in qualifying,that was completely on Ferrari ORG. So stuff like that is the kind of thing that could potentially be at the heart of a change like this. It's speculative to say that now. But I'm speculating on the grounds of obviously the evidence that we have over the last 12 months. We will get an answer, hopefully, in the next few days. But I see it as most likely the next sort of phase of the Vassur PERSON evolution, which is ongoing. There are peoplechanging positions and people joining Ferrari ORG all the time. Yeah, absolutely. It's a constant

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process as Fassar keeps emphasising. In fact, there's confirmation of two other recruits, Scott PERSON,

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that actually come as no big surprise. Can you quickly tell us about those? I can, yes. So you have Loic Serra and Jerome Dambrozio are arriving later this year, I believe in October from Mercedes ORG. Sarah was the performance director at Mercedes for a long time, very highly rated. I think Lewis Hamilton thinks very highly of him. Dambrosio PERSON was in a, I would say, a slightly more nebulous role. He was head of the Young Driver Program ORG, but he was also often seen, sort of stood alongside Toto Wolf and seemed to be sort of an unofficial number two there, whereas at Ferrari ORG, he will bethe official number two, the deputy team principal to Vassar PERSON and the head of the Skidorea Ferrari Driver Academy. Sarah PERSON moves in, not in the absolute top technical role. He will report into Enrico Card Delay PERSON. His position will be head of chassis performance engineering. And that responsibility includes track engineering, air development and vehicle performance. So it's a really, really important part of not just sort of car design and concept,but then development and operation. And it speaks to just how significant a figure Sarah PERSON's been at Mercedes and also the importance of the responsibilities he will hold. That shows how big a recruit he is. Obviously, we don't know exactly how it's going to work, how effective he will hold. That shows how big a recruit he is. Obviously, we don't know exactly how it's going to work, how effective he'll be. Likewise, Dambrosio PERSON in a role that is less heralded andless overtly linked to team performance. But again, it's part of Vassar PERSON shaping that team the way he wants it to be. We've known for a long time that Sarah PERSON was heading there. I think it's been speculated about since the summer of last year and it's been known for a few months that it's definitely happening. He stayed at Mercedes ORG, I believe, until the start of this year. I think he was still workingfor the team. So there's not really like any kind of acrimonious element to the departure. But yeah, big moves from Ferrari ORG. Obviously everyone is waiting to see if there'll be ashort statement announcing Adrian Newy arriving in some capacity for some undetermined point in early 2025. We're not there yet if we are going to get there, but as I say, further evolution of Fred's Ferrari. And the Dambrosio PERSON one is slightly harder to read, but luring someone like Sarah into the organisation shows how seriously you need to take this version of Ferrari ORG.

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Dambrosio did have a pretty good stint as Formula E team boss for Venturi ORG. You know, he had some pretty good results there. It was only a fairly brief stint, so we didn't get to see him massively in that leadership role. But I'm sort of quietly interested to see how that one develops. Having already been courted by both Mercedes and Ferrari ORG, I think that's a fairly promising sign of his abilities. So I'm excited to see how that one develops. Having already been courted by both Mercedes and Ferrari,I think that's a fairly promising sign of his abilities. So I'm excited to see how he develops in that role and whether or not he's been sort of earmarked for a future leader kind of role further down

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the line. Yeah, I think it's no surprise he's gone down that line, having first known him when he was an F1 driver for Virgin in 2011, obviously not great machinery there. Decent driver, but quite an intelligent sort of individual, quite a good collaborative individual as well. So I can see him fitting in very well at Ferrari ORG, and I'm sure we'll hear plenty of what he's doing once he's in place.

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As an ad-free environment is one of the other benefits, but you can always throw questions at us if you're a member and there's other bonus podcasts and that kind of thing. Scott, the first question I'll fling in your direction from J.L. PERSON who says, should there be a system implemented for more consistent stewarding and penalties? It seems like the penalties being applied change from one minute to the next. A thorny stewarding question yet again.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I don't want to sound like a broken record because we probably discussed this a few times but I would just like to see professional a professional full-time group of stewards. There's a rotating element and there is training and there's a lot of effort that goes into the stewarding systemfrom the FIA ORG. So it isn't a rag-tag group of amateurs that get together for a few days every couple of weeks to adjudicate on Formula One PRODUCT decisions as much as maybe...

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That sounds like the pitch for a jovial, slightly offbeat movie.

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A terrible, terrible movie that only you would be interested in watching, I suspect then.

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Unless it turned into a heist movie. They, I don't know, tried to rob one of the F1 ORG teams while in the middle of the Monaco Grand Prix, something like that. But basically, the system I'd like to see is maybe if you had, I don't know, let's say

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eight to ten stewards that were full-time paid for, salaried by the FAA ORG, because as Gunnestiner got into trouble, didn't't he last year for making a reference to it but but they are they are amateurs in the definitive sense of they're then they're not paid to do that job it's not their profession um they're often um ex-drivers or they have roles in local governing bodies or running not just motorsport federations but perhaps running circuits or championshipsand that kind of thing. They're hardly inexperienced in motorsport. But when you look at something like, and I know that this is potentially a terrible comparison to make given how much stick that it gets, but you look at Premier League ORG refereeing, for example,in the English football's Premier League ORG, that is a completely, completely professional body with full-time referees, training basically every day of the week. And I just, I understand that you couldn't roll that out necessarily across every single racing championship in the world. But I just don't see a reason why you shouldn't have thatin the Formula One

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World Championship now. Well, sometimes it feels like being an ex-racing driver is the only prerequisite you need to be on the panel sometimes. It feels like there needs to be a bit more there because if we know, oh, who are you digging out? Anything about racing drivers, they've all got, you know, different lairy opinions, just like all of us. It's kind of like sticking one of us on the panel without going through kind of proper training and, and process of what you want the rules to be. It feels a bit too much like it's dependent on who is on the stewards panel that week, because obviously theiropinion is going to come into it more. It feels less like they're following a set of proper guidelines, which do exist, but I think you get a lot more consistency in them if the same group

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of people were following them. And that's the thing because I remember having a conversation about this with Derek Warwick PERSON a few years ago. And Derek is obviously not only an XF1 PRODUCT driver and extremely successful racing driver in his own right. He's a regular steward and involved in all sorts of motorsport project. And he had always had a massive issue with people referring to consistency because each individual scenario is different. Each incident is different and judged on its own merit.So no two incidents are alike. So therefore it's the bit apples and oranges when you try to compare them. And he kind of points out that there are sort of guidelines and rules but everybody will always sort of interpret them slightly differently. I'm fine with that. You see it in every single other sport where there are there is some kind of refereeing system involved. Different referees are going to judge things ever so slightly differently. That's fine as long as you havea smaller pool so that you know that you will go to, you will learn over time sort of, or you will see over time patterns emerging and then if there are problematic patterns within that, you can address it because it's very, it's clearer where the quote unquote problems lie.But also if it was just more professional, you would get over time a better level of that word consistency in interpretation of rules, guidelines, whatever it may be. So I just don't see why it would be a drawback. I'd agree that's the best

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means to achieve that consistency because the trouble is every attempt to improve consistency by implementing guidelines or more thorough rules has created problems. Some of the decisions that people find most baffling tend to be ones that are driven by the fact the stewards have to default to what the guidelines say and the guidelines cannot possibly cover every possible version of events when you've got two cars moving relative to each other on any number of different corner types, circumstances, track conditions, all those kind of things. You just can't do it.And so almost that slavish desire for consistency, all those kind of things, you just can't do it. And so almost that slavish desire for consistency, which is laudable, actually has the inverse effect, which is why I'd certainly agree with the argument that, yeah, if you have a small permanent panel, you get more consistency out of that, although you will then get certain individuals complaining that certain members of the stewards or the group of stewards are anti them, etc, etc, etc, etc. So so yeah, it's an everlasting argument. Josh, a question now from Brent McLeod PERSON, who says,listening to the recent answer about Pat Simmons and Crashgate EVENT got me wondering, what specific regulations made Renault ORG's behaviour punishable so severely in comparison to something like Kevin Magnuson's behaviour in the Miami Sprint EVENT? One could argue that they were both intentionally breaking rules to help their team. Both situations seem equally unsporting in their intent, and according to the rules, the outcome, Alonzo winning, Holkenberg PERSON getting points, doesn't matter in terms of the severityof the penalty. Why such drastic differences in outcomes?

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Yeah, well, this was more to do with the International Sporting Code LAW, but obviously Renault ORG broke. During Crashgate EVENT, I think that was a far more egregious example of cheating, I guess you would say, of manipulation than what Magdleton ORG did. It was far more dangerous than the way that PKK ORG's crash car was obviously a danger to him, to the marshals to everyone at the circuit. In the way that Magnuson's defence, I don't think really was getting dangerous in the Miamisprint. So I think that's one of the biggest distinctions. But Ed PERSON, you're probably slightly better place to talk about this is not Mr Crash Cape PERSON, but there's a bit more of an officiata on it. Well, I think it fundamentally

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comes down to an issue of scale, doesn't it? Because there are certain things that you have to take as red in order for any sport pretty much to work, particularly motor racing. And yeah, deliberately crashing to influence the race like that is just so far outside of that. And yeah, you would expect any such thing to have a pretty big penalty. I do have a problem with what Magdleton ORG was able to do. Not that he did it because, again, you put him black and white in the regulations,what kind of punishments you get for certain things. It is then legitimate to buy that, to take that hit in order for a net gain for the team, which I think is a big step backwards from what happened in Singapore GPE. I mean, yes, the point made in the question about the fact that there's similar elements, because it's using one car to help the other, that there's truth in that.I do think there's a big difference in magnitude. And, yeah, I would actually like the situation with what Magnuson did to be tackled. But I don't have a problem with him and the team doing it because that's what the rules allow.

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Yeah, there's a bigger loophole allowing that. I don't think there was an overwhelming loophole allowing the Singapore GPE situation to happen. It was more, you know, I think nobody expected anybody to take advantage of it quite like that, but they should expect people like Hasse ORG to take advantage of the current loop,

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yeah, I'd argue you're almost forced to in Hasse ORG's position, by the way. The rules are, a question

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now from Chris Frankovitz, who says, do we really need three compounds of tyres? Would it be

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silly to have a single tire type for the teams to use throughout the race weekend, hybrid type that is almost a mix of all three current compounds? Maybe this would help solve the issues with cars driving dangerously slow to conserve tire life in collie, for example. Yeah, I think it depends how you did it. If you tried to do the whole season on all the different tracks with one compound of tyres,I think it would be impossible to produce one that would work, and they have five compounds available of dry compounds in order to cover that spread of characteristics. And I think the temperature issue would be there, whatever the tire, because you want to get the best possible grip out of the tyre. So I think if anything, yeah, reducing the number, I don't think helps. And they'll have three different compounds on a race weekend to try and create strategic variety as well. But yeah, the biggest thing that would be good to do would beto make the tyres less temperature sensitive, which they've battled to do for years and have made some progress in, but still there's so much performance in that tyre prep. No matter what the tyre is, even if you try to stick them on a big set of tyresyou buy from your local QuickFit ORG or something, there'd still be something you can do that would maximise the performance. So, yeah, I think having multiple tyre compounds available is worth doing. I don't really see the gain from going to one, though it would be interesting. Maybe you could have a single speck of tyre that's super high duration.That could be good for sustainability, that kind of thing. Could be interesting, maybe worth considering. But, yeah, not one compound of anything like the current tyre. If I was going to change one tyre rule, it would be mandated, doing but yeah not one compound of anything like the current side.

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I would, if I was going to change one tire rule it would be mandating the use of all the compounds in a race.That would be my tyre change in F1 ORG. I think we see the closer cars get in terms of performance and withdifferent strengths and weaknesses you see different competitive pictures don't you see different competitive pictures, don't you, on different compounds during a Grand Prix EVENT? And to me, it's just, to me it's such a shame that we're in the lap of the gods in terms ofstrategic variance there, when often, especially with the way that F1 ORG is now, teams will just try and do the lowest, the smallest number of pit stops that they can, which generally will mean that you either do a soft and a medium stint or a soft and a hard stint, or you go the opposite way if you're in the middle of the pack out of position and want to offset. And I just think that sucks. I think with all of the different things that there are in F1 ORG at the moment, I don't see whyit's any more artificial or problematic or whatever for there not to be, because then what you do is you don't mandate a number of pit stops, but you mandate a minimum number of pit stops because you will have to do two stops to use all of the free compounds that are available on a given weekend. It would mean more pit stops and strategic variants. It would mean more unknowns for the teams because there isn't going to be that opportunitythrough the weekend to get a grip on all three compounds and know exactly what you're working with. And I just think it would be more interesting. And I'm sure there would be some unintended consequences, maybe some that are really obvious that I'm not thinking of. But that would be my tire change because I'd just be really interested to see how it works.

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Yeah, there's an argument for it that you have advanced well there. I'm a bit dubious about that because I think it would just box everyone in into just having the same. I think it would just make pretty much everything a two-stopper, so you wouldn't ever get the offset between two and one-stop and that kind of thing, but you don't get a huge amount of offsets anyway. I think the main thing is not expecting tyres to solve all of the racing variable problems. Scott, the next question for you from Dave Smith PERSON, who says, pre-Miammy, there were reportsthat Michael Andretti was planning to meet with FOM in Miami GPE to discuss their entry. Do you have any info as to whether this meeting happened and what may have come out of it? Also, do you think the recent US Congress ORG intervention will have any impact on the possibility of an Andretti entry in 2026 or later?

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I'm not aware of a meeting happening in Miami, but I believe that the two parties convened in advance of Miami in the weeks before in London. So I think my Andretti PERSON finally got the meeting that they were invited to and allegedly missed because the invite went into their spam folder. I don't think anything's changed though and I don't think the Congress ORG thing will change anything. F1's position seems to still be rock solid in terms of refusing to have, they don't want an 11th entry and they don't think that Andretti PERSON meets the required threshold to change their mind. I say rock solid in terms of that is F1 ORG's position. It seems to be a movable at the moment,not rock solid in terms of believing all of their arguments because I think some of them are weak and some of them have also been disproven. Such as, for example, Andretti's not aiming for 2025, so the argument about not being convinced that a teamcan build one car for 25 and then a brand new one straightway for 26 and not understanding the scope of the challenge blah blah blah that that that clearly doesn't apply um i think the main thing is that it's the gambit is 2028 um the the congress stuff might um i guess there's a well there's a non-zero chance that it either forces f1 PRODUCT's hand or it just helps nudge things alonginto going completely legal rather than just being a, like, it's dramatic and it's an escalation, but it doesn't hold any kind of enforcement value in terms of what F1 ORG could or couldn't be made to do. But if Congress sort of helps spark some legal action, or that's where Andretti PERSON ends up, then obviously that would be more specific. The bigger thing, as I say, is the 28 Gambit PRODUCT.F1 has effectively indicated that it would accept Andretti as a General Motors ORG works team in 28 when the GM ORG engine is supposedly going to be built. So will Andretti call F1's bluff, drop the 26 plan, and then just commit to trying to end for 28? Or will we find out that F1 ORG's actually just using that as a way to kick it down the road? And we'll just find another reason to say no.

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Yeah, surely it's heading that way with the timeframe, because to get a 26 entry together now, it's just going to be increasingly difficult. Obviously, Andretti PERSON's already scaling up and is recruiting. And they certainly, I think, show no sign of backing down. They will surely just keep going at this for as long as it takes, at least in terms of, until it gets a firm no on 28. I think they will continue for that. But Scott PERSON, I think I'm right in sayingthere's no process open for 28, is that correct? So they'd need to, the FAA ORG would need to reopen, basically, a process, which could mean for all the rejected teams also then get another chance maybe to go for it. Yeah, I would assume so because the original

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expressions of interest, which was the FIA ORG's formal process for evaluating a new team, I think specify 25, 26 and 27. So unless, I think, you'd be on very shaky ground, I think, legally, or you'd be taking a bit of a risk for the FIA ORG to turn around and go. As we've accepted this team by rights, we think that this logic also applies to 2028, so we therefore would consent to it,and we would give it approval for 28, if that is what the commercial rights holder wants. I think you could do that, but you would then have to reconsider your high-techss, road ins, all the others for 28 as well, because the goalposts have moved. And it's possible that something in the high tech application gets stronger with an extra two years lead time and stuff like that. So it's doable, but I just think you'd be open tochallenge from elsewhere if you change that situation like that. And to be fair to Andretti, I mean, if they have this general motor spacking for 28,

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if that's kind of followed through and they're scaling up, I mean, they're just making a fairly overwhelming case to get in for 28. It's one thing to sort of promise what you're going to do. But if you have a whole facility and a design team and key recruitment and a works engine deal, you know, it was tough enough, I think, for F1 to reject it for 26. But I imagine the backlash would be, you know, monumental if that was the case in 28,if all those elements are in place by, say, 25, 26.

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And the final question is from Stephen from Melbourne, who says, do you think the issue with drivers choosing to break the rules and accept time penalties could be reduced if the time penalty was applied to the team? Therefore, both drivers. It would make F1 ORG more of a team sport, create more accountability for all breaking, and create more drama. Well, I'll have the first crack at this. My first thought is it would create a suitably ludicrous situation if two teammates are fighting for the title in the final one.

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And one's one driving. If you're the one who's ahead, you could just think, I'm just going to be a maniac and rack up endless penalties.

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So my teammate can't possibly beat me.

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And I think for just everyday circumstance, I can see the argument because you're cutting out the ability to help the other car by also hurting the other car.

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But it would create absurd situations whereby, I don't know, Max Verstapp and Winter Grand Prix by four and a half seconds, but because Sergio Perez gets a five-second penalty for something, he loses it, which will just look, I think, just look really stupid. But I do think it's an important thing to tackle,and I think there's better ways to do it to make it impossible to gain those advantages in the same way. Well, thanks very much for those questions, and thanks to Scott and Josh PERSON for your insight. Head to the race.com. Don't forget the hyphen loads to read there. Plenty of coverage of the Amelia Romagna Grand Prix at Imola or San Marino Grand Prix EVENT,as I like to call it. Also have a look at YouTube ORG, loads of videos on there and our other podcasts, including the RaceF on Tech Show with the legendary Gary Anderson and bring back the tens. Well, I'm literally going to head off to the airport now to head to Imola. So stay with us for everything you need to know from the world of Formula One PRODUCT.