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Well, you might think there is nothing to do in Fresno, California. But Corey Erdman PERSON is not one of those people that believes there's nothing to do. Corey Yosemite Erdman PERSON is joining me here in person on the podcast. Corey will be on the mic on Saturday for the Jose Ramirez, Rance Bartholome, headline show live on DeZone ORG. Before then, though, he'll be puttering around Yosemite National Park FAC. Is that right, Corey PERSON?

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If I'm lucky, I'm definitely going to make it to Sierra National Forest LOC.

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Like, what do you mean there's nothing to do here in Fresno GPE?

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No, I'm just simply saying, no, the, I didn't say it.

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I said that the perception is you'd go to Fresdo ORG's nothing to do. You would disagree with that perception.

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I would strongly disagree with that.

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First of all, this is like the capital of American labor, as Jose Ramirez PERSON would tell you.

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Plus, there's just serenity and beauty and a target right across the street. There is a target across the street, which you have already frequented and now we're headed over there right after we're done recording.

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But we are here in Fresno, big fight, big event this weekend. A lot to get into, Corey PERSON, and I want to just touch on briefly at the top, the lawsuit that I just read today that was filed, I guess is a counter-complaint. One was filed by Derek James, you know, towards Errol Spence PERSON. I'm probably getting the language wrong, but countersuit him.

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It's an interesting read, to say the least. What it boils down to is Derek James believes that he is owed 10% of what Errol Spence made on the entirety of the Terrence Crawford PERSON fight. Believes he's owed everything that, every nickel that Errol Spence PERSON made in that fight, fight, believes he's owed everything that, every nickel that Errol Spence made in that fight, Derek James believes he's owed 10% of it. Aral Spence PERSON, as counter and said, no, no, no, you're owed what the contract says, which is$2.5 million, which is the minimum that a guy gets for this fight. So Derek James PERSON believes he's owed that. He also has discovered, it seems, that he has not been properly paid for the previous pay-per-views, has not gotten his piece of the upside of the fight against Danny Garcia PERSON, Mikey Garcia PERSON. There's a couple others there in that mix. Kind of an ugly ending between a long-time fighter and train. Remember, you know, Derek James had Errol PERSON from the very beginning.You know, he had him trained him leading up to the Olympics EVENT, coached him from his first pro fight up until now, and it seems now core we've reached the point of no return with these two.

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Yeah, it's a, it is a sad ending, and I don't like hearing these stories either, and I think that it's, there's a lot of kind of sadness, I think, in Errol Spence's PERSON life over the last little while.

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You know, obviously the loss to Crawford, and then everything previous to that, just seems like things are kind of spir, I think, in Errol Spence's PERSON life over the last little while. You know, obviously the loss to Crawford

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and then everything previous to that just seems like things are kind of spiraling a little bit. I hope that's not the case. This kind of speaks to another issue that I was thinking about on the way over, too, which kind of ties intoGarcia PERSON and Haney and some of the reporting of kind of the earnings of those fights. And it's... Don't believe much of that. No, of course. But I guess, like, this speaks to kind of the reporting of kind of the earnings of those fights. And it's... Don't believe much of that. No, of course. But I guess this speaks to kind of the finances in boxing these days, too,where no one really knows what anyone is getting paid. And perhaps Derek James PERSON felt that he was on the outside with regards to what his own fighter was getting paid. I mean, it's ultimately, I think the contract and what is on paper will obviously win out. That's how these lawsuits work.But the bad taste, you know.

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To be clear, they had nothing on paper between the two of the paper.

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Right. I haven't read the lawsuits. So I clear, I have no idea.

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They have an oral agreement. Right. That Derek James gets 10% of what you make.

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Yes, what you make. Right. Right. And the interpretation of what you make is wide open. Now, look, I'm of the belief that there's a middle ground here, right? Like, is Derek James entitled to $2.5 million of a $25 million purse?Probably not. That feels like an excessive amount. Is he owed more than the $350,000 that he was paid? Probably, you know, is he worth a million bucks to him? Yeah, the guy's been with him from the very beginning. Look, we see this a lot.I've had this conversation in the past with Freddie Roach PERSON, who's had conversations with Manny Pacquiao PERSON before his fights or before their fights where they discussed what he would make. It wouldn't be a traditional, you know, 10%. 10% is applicable, you know, when you're fighting off paper view. 10% is less applicable when situations like this, where the minimum is the minimum, but then

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who knows what the fight could be worth.

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If I recall, Freddie would just get like a flat fee, right?

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You're getting this amount. And I think Robert Garcia PERSON was doing something similar around that time, too. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the middle ground. And look, they're not going to meet it. This will wind up playing itself out in court.There's a whole bunch of text mess. I encourage people to find the lawsuit and read it. It's interesting read, to say the least, which certainly you finish reading it and you don't believe there's going to be a reconciliation between these two. I think they're pretty well done. So we'll talk more about that as it develops.But pretty clear, as Errol Spence PERSON comes back, he will have a new trainer in his corner for the first time in his pro career. All right. Let's look back a little bit on this past weekend. Devin Haney, Ryan Garcia PERSON. We've had some days now to digest the end results.Still an epic night, thrilling performance by Ryan Garcia PERSON. You were there sitting ringside. You called the undercard of that fight. Tell me what you were thinking as that fight developed.

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My mind has changed so much on, like, just over the last seven days or so. Because I, going into the fight, quite honestly, I was of the belief that, like, I was a little uncomfortable with the fight. And I know that's a little weird saying that as a guy that's calling fights for Desone and whatnot, but I was, I was uncomfortable seeing how Ryan PERSON was behaving and that he was allowed to participate. Like, it didn't leave me with a good feeling going into the fight.This is because of the mental health potential issues.

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Exactly.

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And obviously, I didn't know what was going on and still clearly don't know what was going on. After the fight, I was obviously as shocked as everyone that the result was what it was. But in the immediate aftermath, I still felt like the reaction was, oh, he won, so everything is okay. And I wasn't fully comfortable with that either.Like, I don't think that just because Ryan Garcia PERSON won, that that means that he's all right and that everything that we saw beforehand was necessarily, you know, a fake or an act. But then the other day, you know, I saw the podcast clip of Ryan PERSON saying, like, I perpetrated the whole thing. This was all an act. There's a video of me saying it was all an act. You know, in the moments right after the fight, Chris PERSON, when you were talking to him, hekind of let on like, oh, you know, I'm not actually crazy, but then he was still behaving the same way. You hadn't let the act go if it was an act. So I, like, either, you know, Ryan Garcia PERSON is likean Andy Kaufman PERSON level method actor, with a comfort level in kind of trafficking, endangering conspiracies, or there is actually something going on. You know, like I really still don't know what to think. But hell of a performance, though.But underneath all of that, I don't know that I have a fully formed opinion.

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No, I think there's definitely stuff going on.

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I mean, at his post-Fice press conference, he said, I drank all week, I went out early in the week. You know, this was stuff he admitted to. He said he wasn't proud of it, but he said that was what it was. And if you are behaving that way prior to your fight, there's something going on there. There's something happening with Ryan Garcia PERSON.Neither one of us are doctors or not psychiatrists. We can't diagnose him. But the idea that this was all you know, Chadenfreude PERSON, that this was all just a setup that we were all supposed to believe this wasn't happening. I'm not entirely buying into that altogether. I want to though to dive into the Haney PERSON side of all this, because the longer I've thought about this, the more blame I place on the shoulders of Bill Haney PERSON.Look, Bill Haney was the 2003 Boxing Riders Manager of the year. Had a banner year as a manager. I don't think he managed his client well going into this fight. When Ryan Garciarolled in 3. whatever pounds overweight, an option for Bill Haney PERSON and for Devon was to cancel the fight.Or conceivably, shove an Arnold Barbosa PERSON into that made event, which is something that's been talked about over the last couple of months. Bill Haney PERSON didn't do that. There was probably an opening to attach a rehydration clause to the new contract that was made. Bill Haney PERSON, the Haney side, they didn't do that. I think that's a failure.Look, a lot of it's on the fighter. He's ultimately going to make the decision. Bill has often said, Devin PERSON is the boss. But the fighter's always going to want to fight, man. And a fighter that cuts down and weight like that, that went through hell to get to 140,he's not going to say, scrap the fight. He's going to, you know, there's almost a, when you're trying to cut that much weight, there's almost a manicness that takes hold of you because you're so depleted, you're so ready, you're so primed. Like the idea of canceling a fight, it doesn't even register with you at that time. But obviously, Devin was supremely confident during that fight week.That's where I think Bill Haney PERSON needed to be the manager, the trainer, and to some extent, the father. Bill Haney PERSON should have said, no fight. 3.2 pounds is a big number. People can dismiss that. It's not.I've heard, like, Robert Garcia, we're going to see it this week, and I was watching a YouTube clip of something he said. He's like, you're crazy if you think 3.2 pounds is not a massive amount of weight in a fight like that. Not attaching the rehydration clause was amiss. Like forcing Ryan PERSON to suffer. Like there was some leverage there that the Haney PERSON's had in that moment.Ryan Garcia PERSON wanted to get paid. Golden Boy ORG wanted to get paid. They didn't want to go through all this for nothing. Not attaching a rehydration clause, I thought was a mistake. I thought there was a level of arrogance on the hainy side that ultimately wound up cost them. Am I being unfair with that, do you think?

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It's hard to say because, like, you can see exactly why. They felt that way because we, five minutes ago, we were talking about wholeheartedly believing that Ryan Garcia PERSON was not okay, that they were going into the ring against a man who was actively drinking all the way up to the fight and was dealing, was in the throes of mania. Like, I can understand why they thought, don't worry about it.I don't care that he's missing Wade PERSON. We're going to go ahead with this fight. Obviously, there's pressure to go through with the fight, too. If you play the tape back and you knew everything that you know now, yeah, they could have said, no way, we're not going through with a fight. It's Barbosa PERSON stepping in.Haney gets the win, and then Garcia PERSON is painted as the unprofessional bad guy.

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You know, in the promotion, right? I've thought about that so many. Like, You know, in the promotion, right? I've thought about that so many, like, you know, rewind five days, six days, whatever it was to Friday afternoon. How different would the conversation be if Devin Haney PERSON had been like, you know what? You didn't make the weight.If you're not going to fight for a 140 pound title, I'm not fighting you. Like, you know, Ryan PERSON might have been finished. That might have been the end for him to, like, to not make a weight in a fight of this importance. You know, I get it. I just think that's where Bill Haney PERSON should have had a more level head. I don't expect Devin PERSON in that moment to have a level head.Look, I was messing with him all week long. I was asking him about the weights and look, if he blows the weight, what's going to happen? He said, you know what? Whatever. I'll take his money. Then I'm not going to knock him out. So clearly confidence in Devin Haney PERSON. In that moment, Bill Haney PERSON either needed to, he need to make a better decision or have some more experience,tell him. Like, hey, not a good idea here. Look, I know you think Ryan PERSON's crazy, but look, Ryan PERSON is still powerful. No matter what you thought of's crazy, but look, Ryan is still powerful. No matter what you thought of where he was at mentally, he's still a power puncher with one of the best left hooks we have in boxing today, maybe the best left hook in boxing. I just, again, you're right.Hindsight is 2020. It's easy to look back right now, but in that moment, the guy that's purported to be the best manager in boxing, at least he was last year, should have managed his client better.

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Do you think, and I'm going to volley this back at you, do you think an element of this is Bill and Team Haney PERSON not, like, wanting to be the anti-tank? Because there is that kind, especially over the last six months or so, they've really kind of taken aim at the Mayweather camp, at Giovante Davis PERSON. And do you think in the back of their mind they wanted to be the guys that said, I'm not going to force Garcia PERSON into anything. We're going to give him whatever he wants and we're still going to beat him. Do you think that they were motivated maybe by trying to prove a point in that way?In thinking they were going to go through the fight, they're going to get the win, and hey, we beat him in a way the tank didn't.

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Maybe. I just think that by Wednesday, when they got a good look at Ryan PERSON, and look, Ryan stood right next to me in the ring at Gleason's Gym, you knew in that moment. And we talked about it in that moment he wasn't going to make wet. He looked like a junior middleweighton Wednesday. Cut down to 143 and change. You knew, though, he was not going to make weight. I just think they believed wholeheartedly at that pointthat there was nothing Ryan Garcia PERSON could bring to the table that they couldn't deal with. I think they believed they'd beat him down. They'd make him quit.Look, and there was a time during that fight where I thought that might actually happen. I mean, the first round was the first round. Great moment for Ryan Garcia, but you get into the fifth, and all of a sudden, like, this looks just like Regis Prograde PRODUCT. Like, that's what I think I said on that on the air.Like, this looks like Devons walked him down, landed a big left hook in one of those rounds. So I can see that, you know, where they came up with that. But it was too, it was overconfidence. It was overconfidence of the point of arrogance, and it cost them in that fight.

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Yeah, and again, like, to what degree is it forgivable, though? Like, if all of us, if literally everyone was fooled by this, why do they not get the same? Like, I understand on the weight issue. I think that you probably should have been firmer on that weight issue, although, you know, $1.5 million, firmer on that weight issue, although, you know,$1.5 million, assuming that is true, is pretty tempting, you know, whatever.

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I would have said, you know what, like, but in that moment, Corey PERSON, like, you have so much leverage. Like, I would have said a million dollars a pound. Like, you want to fight $3 million. That's how much is going to cost. What's the danger?Like, look, and I'm not, I'm not a fighter. I didn't go through an entire training camp to train for this, for this big moment. But there's nothing that... Devin Haney PERSON would not have faced criticism if he backed out of that fight at that moment. 3.2 pounds is 3.2 pounds. I said this in the air.And people, I remember certain social media writers, certain writers that write for certain publications crapped on me on the air for saying that Ryan Garcia PERSON, him missing weight on Friday was disappointing, was unprofessional, but it had nothing to do with how he was going to fight on Saturday. In fact, Ryan Garcia PERSON was probably better offfor blowing through that weight as a fighter in the ring. You've got to know that. I just feel like you've got to know that if you're the trainer, the manager of the fighter. And again, look, it's easy for us sit here and do it on Thursday morning quarterback. But that's kind of where I'm at with the hainy side of all this, that they should have done more. Cancel, rehydration clause, ask for more money.I don't know what it would be, you know, but I think they should have done more.

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No, but you're right. I mean, because there's different ways, there's different types of missing weight. And I've been thinking about this too, because there's one, you know, there's one instance in which you miss weight and you really, like, you killed yourself trying to get down there and you miss weight. Obviously, that's going to have a deleterious effect on your performance in the ring.Then there's this way, which is just opting seemingly not to make Wade PERSON. Ryan Garcia PERSON clearly knew he wasn't going to make that weight. It was an option. And it brings to mind another discussion, too, because I haven't heard, because I think that we're really caught up, obviously, in how phenomenal that performance was by Garcia PERSON and how shocking it was.And I've been thinking about all the fighters throughout history that have genuinely tried to make weight and haven't made weight. And the pattern in the immediate aftermath is number one, you know, here come the out of shape and like fat jokes, generally about like 122 pound fighters with like 3% body fat and then they're unprofessional they don't respect the sport but here we have and I'm you know whether it's Ryan Garcia PERSON or whateverin the instance of someone whether it's Ryan PERSON or Floyd someone deliberately missing weight strategically I don't hear unprofessionalism really being tossed around all that much with it it's just like this genius tactic but on the flip side it's unprofessionalism. Like, if I had someone, like, put it in another realm,if I had someone that was, you know, racing to get to work and they were late and they showed up late for work, or if I had someone that called in and said, you know what, fuck it, I'm coming in an hour late, go ahead and take it out of my paycheck.I don't care. I'm going to come hour late. Go ahead and take it out of my paycheck. I don't care.

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I'm going to come in. Which employee would you label as being trustworthy and professional? Not the latter. Right? Yeah.

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It's interesting the way, and I think it's just because it was so wacky and so fascinating that we don't feel like having that discussion. It's not fun. Yeah.I mean, to me, a lesson should have been learned from the Corales PERSON-Castio 2 fight. You know, Corrales Castillo PERSON won one of the greatest fights in recent boxing history. The rematch, Castillo blew weight by three and a half pounds.

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And the fourth round of that fight, he knocked Corales PERSON cold. Now, maybe he does that regardless, but maybe not having to shrink your way down to 1-35, deplete yourself, gave him a little bit more oomph when he got into the ring and able to land that type of shot.

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That's always going to be a great what-if when it comes this fight. Well, all that being said, this fight needs a rematch. I don't know how many times we have to say it. I don't know if we have to scream it from the heavens.The best fight for both these guys. In their next fight, maybe one fight in between, whatever, is going again. That's why I was disappointed to see Oscar Delahoya on Devin Haney's PERSON Instagram, I guess, saying that there was not going to be a rematch between Haney and Garcia PERSON.That doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, look, I don't know what the pay-per-view buys were for the first fight. I genuinely don't. But whatever they were,

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they're probably going to be three times bigger the second time around. Because, look, the fight was great in the ring. It was compelling. It was the buzz of social media. We talked about it for days afterwards. But that doesn't matter when it comes to pay-per-view. What matters what people think it's going to be. Right? And nobody believed going into that fight, it was going to be competitive. The odds went from 8 to 1, 9 to 1, 10 to 1 in favor of Devin Haney PERSON. When you see that, you're not inclined to press the buy button and spend 70, 75, 80 bucks, whatever it was for that fight.The rematch, massive number. I think the rematch could push a million pay-per-view buys. If promoted properly, if done in the right location, I think the rematch could do a million pay-per-view buys. I can't see a fight out there for either one of them that does that. I mean, Ryan PERSON's talking about junior middleweights now.He's talking about Sebastian Fondora PERSON.

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I know, I know.

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We're going to talk about Sebastian Fondora in a minute. But he's talking about Errol Spence because of the Derek James PERSON stuff. Look, he's going to move up to welterweight. We know that. What's kind of sexy in the Welterweight division? He's clearly not going to fight boot tennis.We saw the look on his father's face when Eddie Hearn PERSON brought that up, which I don't disagree with, by the way.

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I wouldn't want any part of that.

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Connor Ben PERSON kind of interested me a little bit, I guess. But Haney Garcia PERSON, too, is a huge event that both these guys should be instructing their teams to make sooner rather than later. This one was a huge. I agree. I think that the rematch is the fight to do. And who knows what Oscar PERSON is thinking. Maybe he's suggesting that there isn't going to be a rematch to try and get some kind of like negotiating leverage or something. Who knows? But I think that this is the fight to make. I think you run it right back. And even in this one, even with all of like the doubt about,you know, the seeming certainty that this wasn't going to be competitive, when you got there, when you were in the arena, it felt like a big fight.

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The energy in the arena felt different.

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Our live stream, like the undercard on YouTube, did 1.5 million views.

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You know, that's an astronomical number

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for an undercar, right?

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It's a lot of people that are curious

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about the fight on fight night.

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I was going to say a lot of Sergey Dervichenko PERSON fans.

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I would imagine so, right?

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A lot of Von Alexander PERSON fans. A lot of Vaughn'Lexam.

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St. Louis GPE showed up. The buzz was big, and I think a buzz... Even this time, right? So think about it the second time. And look, I love New York City GPE. I would like to see more fights in New York City GPE.This to me feels like a Vegas GPE fight. You do it again. You do it at Team Mobile, MGM Grand ORG, whatever. In Vegas, I think you sell out that building in a heartbeat. And it's a major event. Yeah.And look, it could have hit a different level in New York and the way that I know that it can. I didn't see any bootleg t-shirts being sold on the exterior.

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No merch. That's how you know it's like another level. Yeah. And look, to be can, I didn't see any bootleg t-shirts being sold on the exterior. No merch. That's how you know it's like another level. And look, to be honest, I think Ryan owes it to Devin PERSON. I do. Look, Devin PERSON is responsible for Devin. He agreed to take the fight.The money was transferred however much that was. So it's not cheating like I've seen some people suggest. Devin PERSON agreed to it. He got in the ring. What happened? But, you know, if you're Ryan Garcia PERSON, you know,you kind of did to Devin Haney what Tank Davis PERSON did to you. Like, you handicapped him a little bit, right? Devin struggled to get down to 140. You didn't. And you reap the benefits of it in the ring. I think to a degree, Corey, he owes Devin PERSON a rematch.

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Yeah, but, you know, in his new character as this, like, devious mastermind, does he care that he owes anyone to anything? I don't know. Probably not.

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But, you know, I also don't think there's a market for Sean O'Malley PERSON in, you know, a crossover type of fight.

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Yeah, probably not.

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Although, shout out to Sean O'Malley PERSON. I did go to his Cold Plunge place in Phoenix GPE. That's really good information that I'm sure there.

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Go check it out, the art of recovery. Everyone in Phoenix, Arizona GPE. But he goes up to Welterweight. There's not good information that I'm sure there you go. Go check it out. The art of recovery

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everyone in Phoenix, Arizona GPE. But he goes up to Welterweight. There's not a lot of big names there. Maybe Devin Hayne PERSON doesn't want an immediate rematch. There's the mandatory against Sandoor Martine PERSON out there, which is challenging in different ways,but not one that you can expect to take any kind of punishment in, so to speak. So maybe there's a fight for him in between, but by this time next year, we got to see the rematch. We've got to see it. That's too good a fight.And hell, if Devin wins, trilogy, bring it on. That's one of the things I love about these guys fighting at this point in their careers. 25 years old, the two of them. It sets up multiple fights down the ride. Too often we get Pachiel Mayworth at the very end, Spence Crawford PERSON at the very end. We got these guys just hitting their physical prime where you can easily see them having multiple fights, big fights that could define their careers. So I hope weget some of that. All right. So this week, I was in New York GPE for the announcement of the first Riyadh GPE season card in the U.S. Turkey Al-Asheek and the Saudi officials responsible for Riyadh season are moving the show into Southern California in Los Angeles, and they're leading off with a big fight in the junior middleweight division. Terence Crawford, number one pound for pound, will take on Israel Madrimov PERSON at the top of that card.Madderoff, of course, a 154 pound title hold. The rest of the card, Corey PERSON, is insane. You have got Virgil Ortiz going up against Tim Zhu PERSON. It's assuming that Ortiz gets through Thomas DeLorme this week. And Andy Ruiz, Jarrell Miller PERSON, that's a crossover heavyweight fight. Issa Cruz against Jose Valenzuela PERSON.That's a good fight at 140. Andy Cruz PERSON is on that card. David Morel PERSON is on that card. It's just fully loaded, top to bottom. And this is kind of continuation of what the Saudis are trying to do, not just put on an event with a big main event,but putting on events that have a whole bunch of fights on it that could be their own main event on some level.

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Yeah, it is raising the bar for everyone else because almost all of those fights that you just mentioned in a normal world could headline a broadcast on DeZone, on ESPN ORG, almost anywhere else. Like basically with the exception of Andy Cruz, Antonio Moran PERSON, you could place any of those fights in a main event somewhere, and it would feel acceptable. And so I'm wondering kind of like what this, more so than I'm wondering kind of like what is the end game of,you know, Saudi involvement in American NORP cards, is like what will this do for the industry at large? Does this, again, raise the bar? Does this make other promoters try and match like that level of talent on a card? Or is it just assumed that this is at a price point that most people can't or don't want to match and you just can't do that? That that's,that's kind of where you go to bring your fighters to get the big payday, but otherwise it's business as usual. I'm curious about what standard this sets

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for the sport. Yeah, I think it's a positive that these fights are taking place in the U.S. These types of cards are in the U.S. because as great as the Day of Reckoning EVENT was and the Fury Nganu show was and the Joshua Nganu PERSON show was because of their location and because of the time zones like the audience wasn't big it wasn't and it was never going to be big because it's really difficult to get a U.S. GPE audience to tune in to a fight at

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five o'clock in the afternoon and the live audience has a very different vibe that just doesn't resonate with the North American viewer quite the same way. Exactly.

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Like this fight in L.A., you're going to have Crawford PERSON fans there, but you're going to have

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Esau Cruz PERSON fans there.

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We saw how many fans he drew to Vegas GPE for his last fight. You're going to have Andy Ruiz, Dorel Miller PERSON type fans there. You're going to have a lot of fans of different types that are going to probably sell out that stadium, August in L.A. LA that's pretty nice night to go out and watch boxing so I think that's that's the the development of all this that I think is the most positive is that we're having these fights in the US GPE these mega cards aretaking place on US GPE soil where you know they have a chance to have a greater level of exposure and and look I love the Crawford Madrimov fight like Madrimov probably was on U.S. GPE soil where, you know, they have a chance to have a greater level of exposure. And look, I love the Crawford-Madrimov PERSON fight. Like, Madrimov probably was not on the top of Crawford's list six months ago. When he was calling out Canelo, when he was looking at Tim Zhu PERSON, and then maybe he was going to fight Sebastian Fondora PERSON, all those things fell by the wayside.So now he gets Madrimov PERSON, who is really freaking good, like really good. Decorated amateur just had a one-sided destruction in his last fight against Magamette Kirbinoff PERSON to win his world title. You know, Crawford's first fight at 154, this won't be easy, Corey PERSON.

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No, it's not a cakewalk, and if it is, it speaks to how great we think Terrence Crawford PERSON is. You know, he's a special operator, and if he can dominate Madramov PERSON, even though Madramov may not be a big name to a lot of people, it may not resonate with the casual audience if he goes in there and destroys Madrimov PERSON. It will mean something to the hardcore fans as well. And it's And listen, it's a fascinating entry point to a new division for him. And it also gives Crawford PERSON the opportunity really to have this kind of like mega show, you know, a stadium show where he's the headliner, which is something that he hasn't,he hasn't yet had the opportunity to do. But as the top pound for pound fighter in the sport, arguably, is, if boxing were a meritocracy, that's what you deserve, right? And so in comes this entity that makes it so. And in that regard, that's obviously a positive,

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right? Yeah, I think Madrimov is a good opponent, right? Like, he's well-trained, he's part of that Antonio Diaz, Joel Diaz PERSON camp. I favorite Crawford PERSON going into the fight, but when I think of the toughest tests of Crawford's career, it's probably going to be right up there.

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It's probably right up there. Madderoff is 29 years old. He is a career-long junior middleweight. There are not the questions around him that there were Errol Spence PERSON, for example, in his last fight, or guys like Julius Andongo at 140 and some of the other guys that Jeff Horn, like they were not, he wasn't limited in that way.He's a really, really talented fighter, strong fighter, heavy-handed. It's going to be a great fight headlining that card. The fight, though, I'm kind of sneaky, most excited about, though, is this Ortiz Zoo fight.

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Like, this is, like, we say this a lot, it's kind of a cliche, but rockem sock and robot. That's kind of what I feel like that fight is going to devolve to. Tim Zhu, we know, you know, top-level guy at 154, probably would have won that fight against Sebastian Mendoor if his head doesn't explode in the end of the second round. And for Ortiz, it's a big jump for him going into a fight like this. Look, he's going to have his second fight at 154 on Saturday night.I don't think it's a stretch to say that he's probably going to do well against Thomas Delorme. But Thomas DeLorme, his best days came at like 140, and then he fought at 147. Like, Virgil Ortiz is going to go into that fight against Tim Zhu PERSON, having never fought a legit 154. And that's a reason to be concerned, because Tim Zoo having never fought a legit 154. And that's a reason to be concerned,because Tim Zoo was not just a legit 154, but you were making a list the top guys of that division. Before that Fendora PERSON fight, he was probably at or near the top.

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Yeah, there were people arguing that was number one, you know? And if not for that head clash, maybe people would still be saying that right now.

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I think they would. He was landed some shots.

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Yeah, of course. You and I talked about it on the podcast here that going into that fight, I assumed that he was going to knock out Fondora PERSON, and my mind really wasn't changed until that blood really started gushing. It definitely changed the dynamic of this weekend's fight for Ortiz, not just because the stakes are different,but because there is something dangling there that Ortiz needs to get to, it means he needs to get out of this fight quickly and utterly unscathed.

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And so if there were...

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Blast him out of their as fast as possible.

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Because there may have been the idea

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if this other fight weren't on the schedule,

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Virgil Ortiz fought like half around in like three years.

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Maybe you mess around, you know, he's fighting a guy that used to be a sparring partner, you know, they know one another, maybe you get some rounds in and whatnot. I don't think that's the case at all anymore. I think that Virgil is out for destruction against Delorme PERSON, because he has to. It's necessity at this point. But I love this fight between Ortiz and Zoo PERSON.Not just because, just stylistically, it's a good fight, but because of how it was made, too, just a respectful call-out from Ortiz, basically Spider-Man meaming, seeing a guy that behaves in fights like him and saying, I want to fight that guy because I see a little bit of myself and him and it's going to be a wicked fight. That's awesome. I wish that would happen more often. And, you know, kudos to Virgil Ortiz PERSON for understanding where he's at in his career,understanding that he has some time to make up, and making those moves to make up for that time.

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And this is another fight that I don't think happens without Turkey Alashik PERSON, Saudi Arabia's involvement because, look, Tim Zhu is not a PBC ORG fighter, but he's fought a lot of PBC ORG cards over the last couple of years. Virgil Ortiz, obviously, Golden Boy ORG, aligned with the zone. It was crazy, Corey, being at that press conference in New York GPE,seeing all the people that are often, that are rarely in the same room, in the same room.

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Like, I'm like saying hello to Louis de Cubas while passing Eddie Hearn PERSON. Sean Gibbons is there and Keith Conley PERSON's walking alongside him.

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Like promoters, managers, fighters that rarely, if ever, find themselves on the same cards are now mixed together and for the right fights in a big event.

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Riyadh season is like the capybara of boxing.

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Everyone just sort of gathers around. Gathers around and brings up together and puts on good fights.

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But I think that Ortizufe PERSON is going to steal the show. I think that is going to be a war on August 3rd. I'm looking forward to it.

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I have to say this, though, about this card. And again, I love the card. The sanctioning bodies have glommed their way on to this card, and they have glombed their way on to a lot of things over the last couple of days and weeks. So the Crawford Madrimov PERSON fight is for the WBA title Madrimov owns. Perfectly fine. Mademov PERSON has the belt.He's the real champion. Crawford PERSON's going to fight for it. Now the WBO ORG has attached the interim belt to that fight. I mean, Sebastian Fondora's PERSON like nose is still crooked. Like, can we give the guy a minute to heal before we hand out an interim title in his weight class?That was insane. The Zhu Ortiz fight is going to be for the WBA ORG interim title. Love Virgil, not fought a 154 yet.

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Like, what is that all about? Like the WBA ORG jumping in to try to collect a sanctioning fee on that fight. Nothing to do with that card, but I also noticed that the WBC ORG has sanctioned Adrian Broner Blair Cobbs for the WBC ORG's People's Championship. Whatever the fuck that is.

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The WBA, on that same card, sanctioned Michael Hunter Cassius Cheney PERSON for its interim heavyweight title. Meanwhile, on May 18th, the undisputed championship is going to be resolved in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia GPE. Let me just throw another one out there because I've got a whole list of things right here. So I can't handle. I was just like, it's all coming all in once. And this I found out in New York last week.David Morel, Canello's mandatory for like three years, right? He had that goal of the regular championship for a number of years now. He moves up to 175. And in that moment, the WBA decides to make Edgar Berlanga, Canello PERSON's mandatory, calls him the mandatory. What happened when Dave Morel PERSON was the, the quote-unquote, mandatory,

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the next-in-line for whatever that? What are we doing? What these, like, I, I enjoy everything

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that the Saudis are doing to put these kind of cards on. I would love it if they do a card that has no sanctioned belts on the line. Have the Ring Magazine Championship EVENT on the line wherever it's applicable. Everything else, screw it. Do not let them involve themselves. All they are doing is taking money out of people's pockets for titles that for the most part are not real.Like these are not real belts, interim belts. Just stop doing it. Stop, stop taking, stop allowing these guys to infiltrate the sport because they are dragging it down, Corey PERSON.

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Yeah, but they remain, these titles remain tempting

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to promoters and to entities

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that are putting on events because they still, they still mean something to someone. And particularly, I think, for the casual fan, it doesn't know any better.

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How do you have an interim title on the line on the same? And the WBC did this a few weeks ago. The interim WBA 154 pound title is on the line on the same card. Like, moments before, the main belt is being fought for.

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The interim belt will be handed out. Just someone was willing to pay the sanctioning feed.

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And, you know, some of these don't surprise me. Like, the interim WBA heavyweight title has basically belonged to Don King for like 15 years. Like a lot of WBA weirdness runs right through Don King PERSON. So that doesn't shock me at all. But they're being like the people's champion belt.

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I mean, obviously that's just, that's just for Adrian Broner PERSON of all people?

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Is he the people's champion?

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The funny thing is I kind of sneaky like that fight.

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That's a fun fight, fun buildup as well. Yeah, a lot of trash talk, like two guys that are fringy kind of contenders.

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The winner will probably get himself into a decent fight. I actually don't mind the Hunter Cassachianney PERSON fight either. I actually like Cassachianney PERSON for a long time. He was with main events. Had at least one setback, and Hunter PERSON's been,the only loss on Michael Hunter's PERSON career is to Ousick PERSON, right? Yeah.

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I mean, he deserves, like, big fights. It's just stop attaching dumb titles to this. Yeah.

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Yeah, but, yeah, exactly. But, I mean, it'll, again, it'll be a fun build-up with Broner and Cobbs PERSON. It won't be as fun as if we had about billions on YouTube ORG, but the consolation prize is that we get Adrian Broner PERSON on inside Camp Cunningham on YouTube ORG.

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That's the new reality series. You've got to watch that. If His Excellency PERSON is listening to the podcast, let's start cleaning up the sport by getting the sanctioning bodies out. They are just parasites onthis sport. I cannot handle the things that they're doing. All right. Last thing, the big fight we have this week at the main event, Jose Ramirez, against Rances Bartholome PERSON. Ramirez, of course, a former unified champion at 140. Bartholome had a belt at 130.Bartholome PERSON, on paper, it looks like a bit of a mismatch. But Bartholome PERSON, look, you look at the box track, the Gary Antoine Russell PERSON fight ended by knockout, but he watched the fight back, and he was tough on Russell PERSON for a while. And a lot of people thought that knockout was questionable,say the least, that the stoppage was premature. But in his next fight, you know, he might have gotten a gift decision against Omar Juarez PERSON. So you don't really know what you're going to get with Bartholome PERSON, but how do you see kind of this fight shaking out?

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Yeah, it's interesting. I think that there's a version of Jose Ramirez PERSON, the one that we saw against Maurice Hooker PERSON, that I think could really do a number on the present-day version of Rances Bartholome PERSON, if that one shows up. But then there's a more recentversion of Jose Ramirez PERSON that, you know, hasn't been quite as intense, hasn't been quite as dogged in his pressure in the ring. And reading between the lines, Robert Garcia PERSON said that with a new contract, he used the word, he's re-energized, which, you know, maybe I'm reading into this too much, but kind of is confirming some of the suspicions I think a lot of observers have had about Ramirez PERSON over the last couple of fights. Not that he wasn't motivated, but just didn't seem to have the same moxie in the ring that we sawout of Unified Champion Jose Ramirez PERSON. So we'll see if a more intense version of Jose Ramirez PERSON shows up in this fight. Historically, Rantus Bartholome PERSON, he can just make fights weird and tricky sometimes. And if there's a Jose Ramirez in the ring on Saturday night that is applying pressure at like 65 and 70% speed, Rantus Barthelamy PERSON knows how to make that a like hideous 7-5 type fight with some wacky scorecards. We're going to sell it, Corey PERSON.We're going to sell it.

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That's what he's done throughout his career. Like there's a way that that happens. Hideous 75.

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It's like there's a way that that happens. There's also a version of this fight that could be an absolute banger.

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And that's the one that I'm hoping for.

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Bartholomey's got a history of some tactics, too, that I've seen over the years.

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Swinging his head around a little bit. It's got a low blow. That Mendez PERSON fight ended with a couple of punches after the bell.

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He's had like five wins, too. At least five wins that a lot of people thought could have or should have gone the other way. Like, he is a historically fortunate fighter. That doesn't mean that he could have won all those fights. I'm saying that, like, he's got the benefit of the doubt each and every time.

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Is there, you know, Ramirez PERSON is the house fighter here.

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We're in Fresno because Amir is going to sell out, Save Mart Center ORG, does a big crowd.

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I think there's a lot of pressure on Ramirez PERSON to get some of that mojo back, to get his swagger back.

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Because, you know, look, the facts are the facts.

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He's had multiple opportunities to fight for a world title over the last few years and not taking them.

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Now, his reasons are his reasons, and some of them are good.

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You know, did not take the fight against Jose Zepeda PERSON because

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he was getting married. I can understand that. You know, your personal life, you know, it comes first.

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But then there was the whole deal with Regis Progravee PERSON. We passed on that fight because he wasn't

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going to get his minimum with top rank. And then the bigger deal was the more recent one where,

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you know, according to top rank, they offered him $2 million to fight Teufima Lopez. They offered him $750,000 in a comeback fight. He would have also had to sign an extension as part of that, but that's a lot of money to fight for a world title, you know, and that's a winnable fight theoretically for Jose Ramirez PERSON. So I think that the pressure might be the wrong word, but like there are questions now about Jose Ramirez PERSON. And what does he want? Like, Jose is currently the number four contender in the WBOfor the belt owned by Teofimo PERSON. So theoretically, he's trying to work his way up the rankings for the fight that he passed on this past year. So, I mean, I think that there's a lot of pressure on Jose PERSON to not just win this fight convincingly, but then get back in the ring three months or later and start to get some momentum back.

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Yeah, I think that there's maybe the feeling among some, like, you know, Ramirez PERSON is almost like, this sounds too extreme, but it's almost like he's kind of like the previous generation of the contenders at one four. Like there's, there are new guys that have surpassed him.

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And I think that he's- He's only 31, too. He's only 31. And with a performance, an exciting performance and a convincing one on Saturday, I think he can erase those doubts. And I think that he places himself firmly back in that conversation. And then we see how he navigates that now that he's on this side of the street, on DeZona FAC with a new promoter.But, you know, ultimately, you know, I don't know Jose Ramirez PERSON all that well. We're going to have a chance to sit down with him, you know, tomorrow. But also, like, he's always been a guy, obviously, with, you know, more worldly aspirations. And it does make sense when you see, when you put Jose Ramirez PERSON in that framework, where, you know, like, there are fights that he's just going to pass up because there are other things that he cares about in this world, too. And for other fighters, they wouldn't have turned those down. Jose Ramirez, like, he has other things going on, too, you know? So, like. But how is that applicable to this? I mean... Just that, like...

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Still fighting. He is still fighting, but that, like, maybe he's not... Fighting isn't 100% of his world, is what I'm saying.

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And so, you know, if there is a little bit of apathy with taking fights sometimes, like, maybe he just... Yeah, he's focused on other things. I don't know. I haven't had a chance to talk to him until tomorrow. Maybe I'll get some of those answers.I get it.

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If you're going to fight, though, fight. If you're going to get back in the ring, look, maybe a year from now, we're both going to sit here and be like, wow, he made the right move.

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He made $4 million to fight Tafemo PERSON or fight whoever. Maybe he fights Ryan Garcia PERSON in his next fight. I mean, I'm sure that's what a lot of guys at Golden Boy ORG are wondering right now. Are they going to be in the next in line to fight Ryan PERSON? But right now, like, in terms of the 140-pound division, the likeliest next fight for Jose Ramirez is probably like Arnold Barbosa PERSON. Like, they're both signed with Golden Boy, Barbosa, number one with the WBO. Ramirez PERSON, as I said,

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number four, I don't really, I don't quite get the thinking. I don't quite get the path forward here. Because, yeah, look, a bad loss to Teofima PERSON would be a pretty big setback. But if you have a comeback fight for $750,000, like, I don't know. I don't know. But to me, I'll have to, again, I'll have to ask them the same questions on Friday.

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Exactly, yeah, I'm very curious.

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Figure all that out as well.

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All right, Corey will be on the mic Saturday, live on DeZone ORG.

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Ramirez Bartholomey PERSON, Ortiz against Delorme PERSON. We also have a good women's title fight. Marlonis against Gabriel Elaniz PERSON, the rematch of a fight from last year. Check it out.Saturday night, live on DeZone ORG. Corey PERSON, always appreciate it, man.

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Anytime. And I promised, even if it's a dreadful 75 fight, I'll try and make it exciting, okay? Sergio PERSON will too.

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And when we come back, my conversation with Robert Garcia PERSON.

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You know, buddy. Do you have to do that with everyone you meet? Some people try to act like they, you know what I mean. Yeah. But I mean, like John Sina PERSON got it. You know, when John Sina PERSON came back to wrestling, he had a bald spot and now he doesn't.You think he should be required in all interviews to say, look, by the way, I covered up my bald spot? Yeah, I guess it's weird.

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Garcia is here, who I think on Saturday's card is training 37 of the fighters on this card. Robert PERSON, is that about right?

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You know what? We have three guys that I'm training, but we also have, I think, the first fight, Figo PERSON, who comes from Dallas with Virgil PERSON, so I'm also going to help him out. We're going to be busy, but you know what? A few years back, we had a top right had a card at the stop-up where Nornito Dornier PERSON was a coming eventand Brandon Rios, Fadal, Verado PERSON on that card. There was nine fights total and eight fights were my fights. So we had the whole hundred card. We had Neno PERSON and a bunch of guys on that card. So, yeah, that was part of the busiest I've ever been.

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Is it a good thing to have that many guys? Or we should prefer to have one guy and just focus on him?

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At this magnitude of the fight where Jose Ramirez and Virgil PERSON both big names, big stars,

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they need to have their own cards. This was a great opportunity for Virgil PERSON to come back right after his one-round knockout in January. If we didn't do this, he probably wouldn't

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fight until August 30 if, you know, that offer, you know, was already there. So this was perfect for Virgil PERSON to come back, especially after just getting less than a round.

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We'll get a few rounds here. And that'll, you know, give him a little more. I need to be active. So that's why we decided to put him on this card. Rick Marigan was able to pull it up with Golden Boy ORG. And that's the reason we're here.You know, then Oscar Drarte PERSON calls me, I want to come join your team. I said, you know what? We're going to need him for sparring. And he's also going to help us with Giovanni Santillian PERSON and a bunch of guys that we have. So it turned up perfect.

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And all three in the interview. So it's going to be the last three fights, all me. So, you know, I'm already preparing everything, the timing. I'm going to wrap the hands and everything. So, you know, just it's going to be part of the job,

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part of the work. It's got to change a lot of T-shirts during the course of that night,

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different T-shirts every single fight. I want to ask you about your three guys at the top of the bill, but the boxing world still kind of buzzing over the Ryan Garcia-devin-Haney PERSON fight. As we're Monday morning quarterbacking it, we're looking back and wondering, should Devin Haney fight. As we're Monday morning quarterbacking it, we're looking back and wondering, should Devin Haney PERSON have done anything different at the way in? Should he have walked away from the fight?Should he have hit Ryan Garcia PERSON with a rehydration limit? It's easy to sit here and do it now. But if you were in Devin PERSON's corner for that fight and Ryan misses weight by 3.2 pounds, what would your recommendation have been? I would have at least put up a rehydration clause because, see, the magnitude of the fight,you know, to say I'm not fighting, which he had all the right to do it. Even myself as a trainer, the fighter already went through training camp. He already went through two, three months of hard work. It's hard to say we're walking away because it's just a big fight, big payday, everything's already done, the promotion. So the undercard's already there. So it's hard to say, no, I'm not going to fight. So at least the rehydration class where, you know, you can't, the day of the fight or as you walk into the arena, you can weigh more than X amount of pounds.I think that's what they should have done. But I think, you know, I think just like the whole boxing world, they were so confident, so sure the fight was going to be turned out easy that they didn't care. You know, I go back and I compare it to Lomachenko PERSON versus Salido. I think, I know, personally, I know Lomachenko PERSON, and I know how sure they were of that win and climas, no problem. That's going to be an easy fight, easy win, and look at the results. I think this, the same thing happened with the Hainis PERSON. I think it's a learning experience for them.They should have done something about it. Like I said, it's hard to say I'm going to cancel the fight because the fight's already there. It's already a big event. It would have been really bad. They had all the right to do it, but it would have been really bad. So at least the rehydration class. How big a difference

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do you think the weight made on fight night? Big difference. You know, I know a lot of people

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are already saying, well, Ryan was heavier the day of the fight. I mean, Haney was heavier the day of the fight, but that doesn't, you know, I'm a trainer. I'm a former fighter. I know how hard it is to cut weight, and especially the last two or three pounds are the hardest.Every fighter goes through how to make that cut weight, and Haney did that, and Ryan PERSON didn't. So there is a big difference.

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Does it, you know, if they meet on a level playing field, do you think it's a different outcome?

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I think it's a fight that Havon Haney PERSON could win. We could get the same results because of

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Ryan's speed and power, and if Haney PERSON doesn't do any changes, if he doesn't prepare for that,

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because it seemed like they just didn't have a game plan. Like he just got hit by those left folks over and over. I really don't know what went wrong. But if he makes those corrections, I think for him, you know, I know they've done so great. They've done it their way.Him and his dad always done it their way, and they've been so successful and got away with it for so many years and so many fights that they're comfortable doing that, and they could continue to that. But I think it's maybe time for them to add something or somebody to their camp where they're going to bring something new, something different. I would recommend that.Maybe join a team, a camp where they're going to get, they're not the main guys, where they're not the stars where nobody's there because of them, where they're there because the gym is full of great work, great sparring. That's probably what I would recommend. You know, that obviously is none of my business, but that's what I would recommend. But I think there could be a really, in a rematch,

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the resource could be different. And ironically, that's exactly what happened with Oscar Duarte PERSON, who lost to Ryan Garcia back in December, decides he needs another voice and comes to you. What was your reaction when you got the phone call from Duarte PERSON's team about training him?

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You know what? The first thing that came to my mind was his style. I've done it before. I did it with Maidana PERSON. I've done it, you know, where fighters are already coming for alpha loss, coming to me to see if I could give them a new, just a new life. And that's why I took the challenge. I also, right away, 140, 135, 135 right away I took advantage of how much sparring I'm going to get in my gym. You know, Raymond Murataya PERSON also needs work when he fights you know, you know, you know Jose PERSON obviously you know there's just so much work we could get in my gym with with, uh, with, with Duarte PERSON. So I knew I was going to fail. I knew I was going to bebusy with Jose and Virgil, but I knew he was going to fail i knew i was going to be busy with osse PERSON and virgil but i knew he was going to be in the mix with the sparring with everything around around them too so they were all three were pretty much training around the same time uh virgil would be sparring in one ring and then once virgil's down we go to the next room with ozay and duarte same thing because you know it was pretty much they they kind of got the same spine partners throughoutcamp.

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What do you think you can add to Duarte PERSON, who was really successful leading up to that Garcia fight and then, you know, get stopped. Had his moments in that fight, but what have you been trying to add to his game? You know what?

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I can't, I don't want to change his style because that'd be a big mistake for me. I just didn't want him to let go of his hands a little more combinations.

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His shoulders are too tight. And I think in this fight, you guys will see him putting combinations together where he doesn't have to throw every punch hard. Even though he's so strong that every punch is hard, but he doesn't have to try to do it. He's going to do combinations, three, four, five punch combinationsto a point where breaking them down little by little and not one punch at a time.

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That's what he looks for.

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He knows he hits hard and he loves to throw that hard punch, but especially against somebody like Jojo who's very fast, pretty slick,

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could be a good counterpuncher. We have to throw combinations and not one punch at a time. Is there, I mean, you and I talked about this briefly before, but against Ryan, one thing that was kind of exposed was he kind of has to see the target before he throws punches. So why Ryan PERSON kept moving a lot in that fight. Is that kind of what you're talking about, just let your hands go? Don't worry about being fully positioned before you throw these punches.

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Exactly. You know, when a fighter hits hard and throws one punch at a time, he's going for just that one punch to land at a certain place. I'm, you know, we're trying to throw three, four punch combinations. It doesn't matter where they land.

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I tell them if they land in the elbows, in the hand,

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and the ribs, wherever, it's going to hurt.

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In the ears, and, you know, wherever, wherever they're in the head, wherever those punches land, they're going to hurt. the ears and you know wherever wherever they'll end the head wherever those punches land they're going to hurt it they're that kind of power so you're going to throw three four five punch combinations not aiming at a certain spot you know I even told them I don't want you to aim straight at the head aim at the shoulders and you know they'll land and you know wherever they're going to be they're going to be solid punches.

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So the co-main event of this show Saturday is Virgil Ortiz PERSON. You're back with Virgil PERSON. You trained him all the way up until his win over Agus Cabalaskis PERSON, and he decided to go in a different direction after that. Were you disappointed that he did that, you know, because there was a lot of success, undefeated record, all knockouts?How did you feel when he decided to leave?

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You know what? It's part of boxing. It's happened before. It happens. He's not, you know, it's not the first time that it happened in my gym. It happened early in his criminal when he was with Joe Diaz PERSON and came to me.You know, Jose Ramirez was with Freddie Roach PERSON and came to me. So, you know, it's not like it's the first time that happens to me. When a fighter leaves, I've had fighters come from other trainers too. You know, what I like to do and Joel Diaz PERSON, we always talk about it with him and Mani Robles, us three Southern California LOC trainers, you know, we have a good communication where something like that happens, a fighter goes to them or vice versa. We talk to each other.We're going to continue doing this. We're going to need each other for a reason or another, sparring or whatever it is. That's what we have to maintain that relationship, and we keep it like that. I was, you know, it didn't hurt because Virgil PERSON is a, from, you know, before he got sick, everything looked like he's a future superstar.

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You know, it did hurt a little, but it's part of the sport. It's just, there's no surprise to that. I was okay with him. We still kept a good relationship, you know, even though they were training with Manoroulos PERSON, you know, we were always in communication. I flew to Dallas when I learned about him being sick and what happened to him before, you know, his last fight.

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I flew to Dallas myself just to go visit him, spend time with him and the dad. You know, we drove around, went to his house. You know, I just wonder to see how he was doing health-wise. He told me a lot of things about that he never thought he would have to do. Went back to school, started getting college classes because he thought his career could be over.

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So, you know, just a lot of things that went through his life and also us, you know, not having him around.

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You know, it did hurt a little. But it's, like I said, I wasn't mad about it because it's part of the sport. It happens with other fighters. It's happened before. You know, it's not the first or last time that we're going to see something like that.

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Do you think he has a handle on these health issues because it was the rabdomioysis first, then, you know, collapsing before the Stanyonis PERSON fight, which he says has nothing to do with the rabdo, but it's still one health issue after another over the last few years that have slowed his career down. Do you feel like he has, you guys have a handle on all these

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issues? You know what? We, we know, see, because I fight also. So I think that's what,

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that's the difference in, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and And everybody in camp that I also fought. I was a professional fighter. I've been through that.

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I've been through cutting weight and getting up and waking up, you know, a few seconds later because it's just the way it happens.

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When you're dehydrating and you're not drinking water, boxers go through that a lot.

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You know, it happens to them.

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So I've been through it. I think that's what's been helping a lot that i know when the fighter maybe you know we're thinking of one day doing 10 rounds and i don't see the what i want to see and we cut it at six and and that helps you know if it's run run a little bit less today because tomorrow you're going to spread a bit harder i think all that is something that's really helping him with his career.I know he's a hardworking kid.

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He trains so hard, you know, in the gym to a point where, yeah, you know, today you don't have to do that much.

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And he, you know, this last couple of fights that we've been doing together since he came back,

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and he's, you know, he's been listening.

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Charles Trembly PERSON is also a great person in camp because he's actually a doctor and he knows everything that goes on. We communicated with Victor Conte PERSON. We sent him blood work and he made a lot of changes.

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When he got Virgil's blood work, when he first came back to camp with me, Victor Conte PERSON told us, good thing you guys did that, you know, send me his bed work, or else he wouldn't have made it through camp. You know, so there's a lot of things.

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This is before the Lawson PERSON fight, the, or this one. No, this is before his last fight, he came with me. Yeah. Game was. This is your first fight back with him. First up back, yeah.So we, we, we, uh, so Victor Conte started communicating with Charles PERSON to where, you know,

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he, he sent us over a few things, oxygen tanks and stuff like that.

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So we start doing every day.

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So all that, we added all that.

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And we haven't seen any, you know, he's been doing, you know, he was under, under 156 today.

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Obviously, 154 is where we want him to get a title fight.

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And both, both times right before he steps into the scale when he's already you know already

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on weight I ask him how do you feel do you think two more pounds is something that you could do for

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the future and and clearly tells me no problem I'll do him he's walking around obviously he's not

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you know he's thirsty and killed himself to make weight, but he's talking. He's, you know,

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so I see that two pounds he could do. Plus, I ask him. I ask him, and he says, no problem. I'll do two more pounds. So I think 154 will be good. So you're preparing for this fight against Thomas

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Delormay, but it is revealed this week that assuming this fight goes well, it is Virgil Ortiz PERSON, Tim Zhu on August 3rd as part of a huge card out in Los Angeles. When the Saudis, they move fast. So you probably don't get the information. Once you get the information, you've got to make a decision on it. When this was first presented to you as Virgil PERSON's next fight, were you for it?Were you a little bit uncertain about it?

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How did you feel? We were always for it. As soon as we heard about it, you know, it's funny because when I got to the gym in the morning, they had already called Virgo, you know, obviously Rick PERSON and, yeah, but, you know, so I already knew about it the night before because I know a lot of people in boxing, too, and right away they're calling me. They can't keep a secret in boxing.

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Exactly. Calling from New York, hey, Robert PERSON, this was going on, so and so, and whatever, whatever, whatever. I'm like, holy cow, you know so and so, and whatever, whatever, whatever. I'm like, holy cow, you know, that's, you know. But for me, when I came to the gym and I already brought up to the dad and he's like, I wasn't supposed to show you, but you already knew, you know, we say, look, let's just get through this fight first. We'll do it, but just like, right now let Rick PERSON do his job.You know, Rick PERSON is going to do his job. Let's focus on Dolorme PERSON because we still have to fight. We can't skip this fight and say we're going straight into that one because I think we needed this fight to get his rhythm back, get a few more rounds in a fight, and then we'll prepare for the August 2 against August fighting against Tim Sue PERSON.But yeah, right away we were all the whole gym, everybody in the gym, we were up for the fight, but we just knew we first had to get rid of, you know, take this fight out of the way first. Tim Zhu PERSON is a full-fledged junior middleweight. Arguably was the top guy before that loss to Sebastian Vador PERSON, which we all know was caused more by the cut in the head than anything else.Virgil PERSON going into that fight will probably only have, well, I'll have two fights against guys that are kind of blown up welterweights, whether it was Frederick Lawson and now Thomas DeLorme PERSON. Does that concern you at all, you know, facing someone that is a true 154 in the big fight coming up?

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It doesn't concern me at all because I know how big and strong Virgil PERSON is. I think, you know I've I've told I've told the dad and Rick and everybody else that I know Virgil could dominate at 160. If we couldn't make 154 you know like I told you earlier that this last couple of fights by the time before he steps on the scale I ask him how how do you feel you know I know right now is a moment to ask him because he's has two more pounds to get to 50 to 54 and he's both

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times he told me I could do it so so I feel comfortable by that but if there was a little bit doubt I know even at 160 he could dominate you could name the 60 pounders and and I know he could beat them so I have no problem at 154. I know Tim Sue PERSON is a great fighter, great warrior, but it's just going to be a full action fight, man.

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I think there's going to be one of those fights that steals the show.

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You know, it's hard to say that because you also have Pitbull versus Rayo PERSON that's also going to be full of action.

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But that fight right there, Virgil versus Tim Sue PERSON is an unbelievable fight.

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And that's what Virgil PERSON wants, too.

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You know, Virgil PERSON knows that he's had, you know, his career's been on hold for those personal sickness that he's had and personal issues.

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He wants to be there. He wants those fights. I think those fights are going to make them better.

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Those fights are going to bring the best out of him. I have no doubt that he, that he dominates that fight, and he could hurt Tim Sue PERSON and even stop him. I really believe that.

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Wow. Last thing I want to ask you about is the top of the card, Jose Ramirez PERSON. You've trained him for a long time. And one of the questions I have coming into this fight is kind of where his head's at, because he's had a lot of time off, sporadic activity since the Josh Taylor PERSON fight. Look, there are reasons why he turned down some of these fights, but the facts are he didn't fight Zapata for a title at the time. He didn't fight Progrey, and he didn't fight Teifima Lopez PERSON. Obviously, money, he money got married there obviously circumstances come into play with all that but as he begins kind of this new chapter of his career do you seethe same fire that he had early in his career when he was becoming unified champion he's fighting for the undisputed championship against josh taylor do you see that same guy i think now that he's with

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that he signed with golden boy he's signed with Golden Boy ORG, and it's something new to him and something new, like a new chapter in his career,

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he is. This camp was great. His body, you've seen the wind, he looks fresh, he looks healthy, he looks good. Yesterday, last night, Jose PERSON is a very responsible person.

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He always tells me, I'm I'm very responsible you don't have to worry about my weight I was there with him I wanted to be with him when he cuts with all he did was 30 minutes in the bike broke a good

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sweat and he was already on weight and and and and the they moved the fight to 42 not because we asked for it it was it was it was actually we i seen the messages that were sent to to golden world promotions ORG where you know if it's not a title fight you know coming from

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from the other promoter from uh tgb if it's not a if it's not a title fight do you guys want to move it to

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one forty two and so then i said well if they're asking for why not it doesn't hurt too if

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both fighters want to come in and 142 it is not a world fight, so I don't have to kill my fighter to get to 40.

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Jose would have done 140 with no problem.

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Instead of doing half an hour, he would have done 45 to 2 hours in the bike, and he was sweating so much that he would have made 140, no problem.

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But if there was no need to, why force him? So I was there just to see. And he had no problem. After he finished his half an hour workout, we go to his backyard. He turns on his pool, the waterfalls, the lights, just chilling there, talking to everybody around him. He's happy.

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Before he wouldn't do that, you know, he would do it on his own. He didn't want nobody around him. This time, he's happy. I think his new promotion, you know, he was with Top Rank for 12 years.

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Top Rank, honestly, been one of the best promoters in the world for 60 plus years. But in this case, with Jose PERSON, I think he needed something new.

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Top Rank ORG just got to a point where it was the same thing for so long that he needed a change.

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And Oscar PERSON, he said, Oscar's energy. Oscar, since the beginning of the year, the first thing we hear is, I want to do things different in boxing. I want to invite all the promoters to let's work together. Let's, and they've been doing it. They've been doing it. Oscar PERSON's been pushing for it,

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and he's been getting fights from different promoters to fight to fight in his cards, or they go to, or Oscar PERSONs fighters go to their cards. They've been doing what Oscar's been asking for. So that's something that's motivating, that's pushing Jose PERSON, now that he's part of Golden Boy ORG, to be one of his biggest stars.

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At some point, Ryan Garcia is going to be looking for another fight, end of the year, something like that. If Golden Boy says catch-weight fight, Jose Ramirez against Ryan Garcia, 145, how do you think a fight like that plays out?

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I would love that fight. You know what? I think Ryan PERSON is a great fight, especially after his last performance, man, he became a superstar. Nobody even mentions him not making weight. Nobody mentions him, you know, nothing. It's just that he's a superstar.

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So it would be a huge fight for Jose PERSON. That would be the fight that Jose, you know, him being, him becoming a unified champion, his win against hooker was huge.

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Then he fights for the end of spirit tower FAC and he lost.

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That was a big, you know, it hurt him bad because Jose PERSON doesn't like to lose and he's a winner all the time. So a fight against Ryan PERSON would be the biggest thing for him he would he would train like never before especially at a catch weight of 45 44 45 it would be good because if you see he should he should be in waltrow or maybe two years ago he's a 10 511 he's a big

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kid he's a big kid but he's so disciplined and so dedicated and and and has has that that hunger to become champion again that he still wants to compete at 140 but he could easily fight at 47 if he wanted to he could compete against any

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of the 47 pounders so a fight with Ryan at 45 I would love it I would love it I think I think Jose has a style to frustrate Ryan PERSON obviously Ryan has that has that sharp, fast, powerful left hook. But, you know, I don't think I'll be, I don't think I'm, I'll be like Haney PERSON. I'll have a plan.

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Got to keep that right hand up at all times.

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I'll have a plan.

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I'll do things that I would love Haney PERSON to do.

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Well, Robert, I know you're going to be busy tomorrow, man.

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Thanks for stopping by. Thank you for having me.

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That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Corey Erdman and Robert Garcia PERSON for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast

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on Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcast. And I'll see you next week.

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What's up, y'all?

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Janice Torres PERSON here.

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And I'm Austin Hankwitz PERSON.

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We're the hosts of Mind the Business ORG,

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small business success stories, a podcast presented by IHeartRadios ORG, Ruby Studios, and Inuit QuickBooks ORG. Join us as we speak with small business owners about the tools they use to turn their ideas into success.

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