Fulfilling a dead man's wish… in a Volvo 940

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How would you feel if the family of the car that you just bought got back in touch and said, look, the previous owner was really in love with this car, so much so that in his will he's written that he wants to be taken to the crematorium in it.

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Oh my God.

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Right.

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So they want to borrow the car to pop him in.

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Okay. Feats down, drive him off to the crematorium. Right. What? So they want to borrow the car to pop him in. Okay.

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Feats down, drive him off to the crematorium.

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Right.

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Are you sure?

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No.

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Right.

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Now.

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So how do you feel about that?

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Now, genuinely, dear listener, so to break the illusion of production here, sometimes we have a pre-discussion before we hit the record button about what we're going to talk about, including some of the talking topics, and we reveal all. And then when we tell the stories, we pretend we're here. Sometimes we have a pre-discussion before we hit the record button about what we're going to talk about,

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including some of the talking topics,

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and we reveal all.

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And then when we tell the stories,

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we pretend we're hearing them for the first time.

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Genuinely, that is something I did not know.

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Hello, I'm John Mark Carr PERSON.

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And I'm Mars Lacey PERSON.

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And I'm Amy Haynes PERSON.

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And on this week's episode, Amy shocks us with an update on her Volvo and genuinely does shock us. Miles has ticked off his first press car for driven and it's a good one. Amy and I have been to the Goodwood members meeting doing some podcasting and photography. Miles has been sitting in traffic jams in India. I've been driving some massive trucks. Mars PRODUCT has done his CBT and is now a

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motorcyclist, and we have some spectacular stories about speed awareness courses. Welcome to the

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Driven Podcast. Enjoy. Hello.

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Hello and welcome to the latest driven podcast.

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I'm afraid, dear listener, this is one of those episodes where it is just the three hosts. And I know that that does divide the room, as divided by one of our kind reviewers, who's recently been very

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kind in giving us a five-star review, but did say, for the love of God, please stop the

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wittering drivel that is the host's only episodes, or keep them to just 20 minutes or so at most.

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So I don't know what your name is, but I'm afraid this is probably one you're going to want to

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skip. So, yeah, sorry about that. But what I will say whilst we start, because we're sort of halfway through our return season for the Driven Podcast ORG, is I would like to say a massive thank you to everyone, including the person that gave us that review, because they did give us five stars, and that was very kind. And they were very complimentary about one of the other episodes that we did.

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I wish it was the episode and not the guest.

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Johnny Smith PERSON. Oh, maybe it was the guest. Yeah, no, yeah, maybe it was. But no, a huge,

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huge, heartfelt, genuine thanks to everyone that's taken a moment to review the podcast so far. We do ask for it, and I know it sounds a bit crass when we ask for it at the end of each episode, but it genuinely does make a massive difference to us and what we do. The more people that leave nice reviews, the more the promotional algorithms will promote our podcast to other people like you. And the more people that listen to us means that we make more money through advertising revenue. The more money we make through advertising revenue means we can do more of the same and more. So a huge thank you to everyone that has given a review.And if you haven't done it yet, this is your prompt. Go and help us out. This is the only thing we ask. We don't charge for these. We don't do Patreon. We don't get you to subscribe every month. This is a completely free and I want to continue a completely free outlet for as long as

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possible. So yeah, if you are enjoying it, let us know with a nice review and share it with a friend.

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And you can say if it's drivel as well.

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You always.

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You can.

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No, you can.

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Constructively. It's still a review. It's still a review.

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If you could just say, your crap, five stars.

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Well, I think that's what this person's done, essentially. But then two or three episodes later, there's another one, five stars. Hooray, you're back. Missed you guys during your break. But loving the new format, it feels like the show has had a real glow-up. That's nice. And then, this reviewer goes on to say, I'm excited to hear them all, but the hosts episodes with John Miles and Amy PERSON chatting and laughing away are always my favourite, so keep up

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a good one. So, you know, we're on the fence, we've got a 50-50 device. Where do you sit

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in this, dear listener? Let us know.

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Maybe we should a poll on Instagram ORG. That's not a bad shout.

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Yeah, okay, we'll do that.

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But if it came back with saying they're really rubbish.

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Then we'll stop doing them.

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I quite enjoy them.

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From a self-indulgent point of view, they are quite nice because it is one of the few occasions we, the three of us, get to sit down and have a chat. And you, dear listener, are just along for the ride. You join in on this conversation. We can't hear you, but feel free to talk.Whatever you're saying, we're sure it's just marvellous. Yeah, right. What have been up? Well, we have a developing breaking news story, actually. Do we? Yes, yes, we do.

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How breaking. Before we came into the recording studio,

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in fact, this was yesterday in our little WhatsApp group, Amy PERSON said, remind me to tell you a story about the Volvo ORG.

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Yeah.

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So obviously in our first episode of this new season, Amy PERSON revealed dramatically that she has purchased a new car. The car is a Volvo ORG.

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What's the latest news, Amy, with the Volvo ORG? Okay.

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So I want to hear your thoughts on this and also listeners, I'd like to hear

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your thoughts as well. So this Volvo is a 1995 Volvo that Will and I bought from a 102 year old.

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Yes.

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Who stopped driving it when he was 99. Good grief. He drove for a very, very long time. I think he

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was a second owner. Like he've had it for a very, very long time. So technically, he can't play Cludo PRODUCT anymore either.

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He cannot play Cludeau. That's true, yeah. Or Lego PRODUCT. Or Lego.

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Really? I didn't know that.

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Anyway, and so this car was really manky when we got it and it had to have some lots of cleaning

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into it and get fixed and so on and so forth. But it was a very beloved car of this old man.

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We're still in touch with the family of the old man.

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We found the very sad news that the old man has since passed away.

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Oh.

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So he really can't play Clued PRODUCT out now.

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He really can't play Clued PRODUCT in there.

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Definitely not like that.

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However, his will got read out fairly recently.

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Oh, God. Oh, no.

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So initially we were like, when we got the phone call, I thought, oh, no.

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Did he want, does he want it back?

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Or did they want it back?

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That's immediately what I thought.

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And like, then we think, do we sell it back for the amount that we paid for it?

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Or plus the, like, how does that work?

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But no.

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Should we make some money here?

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That's not what, that's not what.

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But it was the first thing I thought, yeah. How do I? Get money out the dead. No. So that was not the thing. That was the problem. It thought, yeah. How do I? Get money out the dead. No. So that was not the thing. That was the problem.It's not saying this is a problem.

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How would you feel if the family of the car that you just bought got back in touch and said,

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look, the previous owner was really in love with this car, so much so that in his will he's written that he wants to be taken to the crematorium in it.

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Oh, my God.

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Right.

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So they want to borrow the car to pop him in.

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Okay.

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Seats down and drive him off to the crematorium.

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Right.

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Are you chair?

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No.

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Right.

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Now.

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So how do you feel about that?

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Now, genuinely, dear listener, so to break the illusion of production here,

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sometimes we have a pre-discussion before we hit the record button

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about what we're going to talk about,

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including some of the talking topics,

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and we reveal all, and then when we tell the stories, we pretend we're hearing them for the first time. Genuinely, that is something I did not know. I, right, oh, okay.

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You can see why I said, remind me to tell you about the Volvo ORG story.

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So, remind it, it's a V-9-40 PRODUCT.

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It's a wagon.

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9-20?

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9-20 wagon, big, big boxy wagon.

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If you fold the seats down, you could quite easily fit a...

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Full, human.

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Human.

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Will he be in a casket?

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Yes.

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God, I hope so.

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Right. So obviously, we've. God, I hope so.

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Right.

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So obviously we've said yes I had a respect to him and the family.

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Good.

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But when it comes back to us,

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I'm not going to look at it in quite the same light.

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Oh my God.

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Have you ever had a request like this before?

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No, of course not.

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No one has.

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This is bizarre.

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John's got some interesting stories.

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I thought he might have something along the lines. I just, this isn't

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normal. No, I know, right? Is it

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even legal? I don't think, I guess

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it's, yeah, I guess they. He's stories

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about, like, casket getting taken on, like,

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motorbike sidecars, and there's a whole thing.

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Somebody got strapped to the top of a D-type.

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It's a thing. I

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I mean, I guess

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it wouldn't really bother me.

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I know some people, like, some people are very funny about,

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oh, I'd never buy an ex-hurst,

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which other than it being quite an impractical car to actually have.

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It would be great van.

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The idea of it would be a great van,

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but the idea of me driving an ex-hurst,

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like if we're doing one of these banger rallies,

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it wouldn't faze me at all.

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Because to me, it's been used as a storage vehicle.

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It just happens that the thing that's been stored and transported

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has been a dead person.

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But that doesn't do anything.

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I don't know if it would bother me, but does it bother you?

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I don't think so.

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It's a great story to tell.

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As they said, who will be driving it?

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I'm guessing.

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So basically, it is Will PERSON's best,

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this is a long one,

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my husband William PERSON,

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his best mate's girlfriend's grandfather is the deceased.

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So it's going to be Will PERSON's best mate that's probably going to drive it.

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Right.

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So, yeah, we have that connection.

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And have, here's a question on a more technical basis.

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Have the rear damper's been fixed yet?

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Because of the ice.

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Gosh.

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There's going to be nothing left

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on time we get there.

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They have, but there's still not great.

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Oh, my God.

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So I have said that if we can,

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and I don't know if again this is disrespectful,

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but I would like a photograph.

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Of what?

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Just, you know, to show its great extensive use.

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If we would ever sell it on again.

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Anyway, I would never use that to sell a car.

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You know, I'm sure we have all done this.

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If we've sold a car or a van or something,

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and sometimes you get a question like,

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oh, I know this might sound really funny,

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but we have to do like an IKEA ORG run.

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Do you think I can fit a flat-pack wardrobe in the back or something like that?

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And you could actually genuinely reply,

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well, you can fit a coffin.

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I know that for sure. But can you? Is somebody measured? Have you done a... No, but it's... From the length of the Volvo

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is longer than the defender with a towbar.

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And so I've slept in the defender.

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Okay, so it will fit.

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I imagine the Volvo ORG before... Do I go and try it? Try it out first?

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I think you should. I think on the it out first? I think you should.

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I think on the grounds of research, I think you should lie vertically in the back of your Volvo ORG.

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Yes.

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I don't know how much space there is between, I don't know how tall it was.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, that's the thing. Depends.

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I'm going to imagine he's not north of six foot.

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No, I wouldn't have thought so.

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And the other question is, is it a posh casket?

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Because if it's just a cardboard box, you know what I mean?

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You can just fire it in no problem.

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Yeah, what you don't want to have to do is tie the boot lid down with a bit of string.

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You know, you see people coming up from the garden centre.

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I totally forgot. The boot doesn't shut properly.

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Oh, my God.

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But we just rely on the fact that the boot lid is so heavy, it just stays shut.

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Or it just flaps around.

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Because it's really heavy.

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It doesn't flap around. But if you can imagine, and I suppose the Volvo ORG doesn't quite have, oh, no, maybe if you're going uphill at a bit of speed.

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Oh, no, no, I don't even want to picture this.

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This can't, that can't happen. Well, just ratchet strap the coffin now.

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Oh, that will look nice. Just, just ratchet strap.

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Just a minute, lads.

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That ain't going nowhere.

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Off you go.

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On the back.

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Off you pops.

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Oh my God.

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Well, I did not think that that was going to be our opening story.

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I'm sorry if you have to cut out of this.

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No, I'm sure it's fine.

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I'm quite happy to leave it in.

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As I say, I just...

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Could you say, would it not, You know, it would be a lot easier

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if you, you know, you cremned in first,

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then you could just fit the vase. That's true. Some could just sit in the passenger seat with them pop-in-law.

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Yeah. Even you could do that. Yeah.

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But, no, I think it's the getting to the crematorium

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was in his will. Bloody out.

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Well, you can't deny that.

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I bet that didn't throw up... I bet that didn't come up on a... What's it checked, did it? HPI. HPI check? No. Maybe what, deny that. I bet that didn't throw up, I bet that didn't come up on a what's it check, did it? HPI. HPI check.

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Maybe they should do that.

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Outstanding finance and really strange will requests.

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Yeah.

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Yes. Yeah.

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Well, if you, dear listener, have any experience in transporting the deceased,

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the recently deceased in the back of your vehicle. Podcast at Driven.com ORG.

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I love how we took that really seriously as well.

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That is, I just can't believe it.

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There we are.

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So I'll let you know that, I have no idea when the funeral is,

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but I imagine it's fairly soon.

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Well, I hope it's fairly soon.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Otherwise they're going to have to pay for a cleaning bill as well.

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We did have this.

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We had the phone call.

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Well, we'll have the phone call, I think, yeah, end of last week. of last week and so yeah it must be soon I don't know when though yeah I'm

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drastically trying to work out how I can fit this into a title of this podcast episode

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without it sounding a bit crass um more on that later the result of which you can now see

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because I've clearly thought of it but um at this point in time, at 14 minutes past two on a Thursday, I have no idea.

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Well, the thing is now, you kind of ruin this episode now, because every story after that

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is going to be wrong.

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Nothing else is worth discussing.

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They might as well just stop recording else.

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Yeah, yeah.

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However, I will start with our usual typical question, and that is, what have we turned

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up to the office today in?

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Can I fit a dead body in the church i've just

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got to pop to commentary for a quick podcast yeah don't worry about it it's on the way

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miles just to spice things up and change things of uh you give us a new variety from every other

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episode what have you turned up in today?

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Yeah, I mean, just for a change, you've turned up in my three series.

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All right, that's good. Anyway.

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Amy Haynes PERSON, you've turned up in something.

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Yes, I've borrowed a mini-countryman, a new one, a very new one.

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New-new.

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New-new.

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Very new.

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So it's all the very high-tech one.

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I don't know if it's got a different name.

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I've not actually looked.

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So they do.

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I went on the launch.

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It's the three trim levels

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That makes sense

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I think yours is a C

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And that's kind of like

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The comfort every day

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It's very comfortable

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One point five

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Leaser ORG engine I think

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I've not been given any spec sheet

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Oh I thought it was delivered

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No no that one's it

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Oibrid

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And then the John Keeper Works

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is the kind of sporty top trim one

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Very stiff Very. Very stiff.

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Very stiff.

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Very stiff.

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We just went to go and look at it.

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I just stood next to it and it happens to be parked next to an A class Mercedes ORG.

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A class or B class one of those things.

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And it makes it look tiny.

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Yeah, it's a big car.

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It's like a vein.

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It's very, very large.

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Very comfortable.

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A little bit too techy for me. Not the fact that I'm not technical,

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because I'm fairly technical, but it's like, there's a couple of things that I would get frustrated, I think.

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But I like lots of the styling. From a photography point of view, really like it.

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It's very cool inside. But like one thing I mentioned to you guys outside, the indicators, when you're indicating, you haven't got a thing in front of you on the heads up display, or any form of dash directly in front of you to show which you know to make sure that I am indicating so you have

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to look to your left on the big screen to you left has got a little head up display thing hasn't it

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but the indicators aren't there no the only thing that's on there is your speed and if you change a

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song I've noticed it comes up from there so that's it very important information the two things yeah

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I mean the speed bit I get but yes I definitely want to see that in my direct eye line

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when I've skipped to the next share track.

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Yeah, no, I could do just sing a little tiny,

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bling, bling, bling, bling, when I'm indicating.

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Yeah.

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But that's it.

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I've only driven it about 30 miles, though, so I've not had enough to play with yet.

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The only car in the world to have a round OLED screen.

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Really?

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Fun fact.

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Yeah. Apparently nobody else has done it. So it's the first one ever. Well, I suppose your technical. in the world to have a round OLED screen. Really? Fun fact for you? Apparently nobody else has done it. So it's the first one ever.

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Well, I suppose you're technically, if you're thinking about a circle versus a, for example, rectangle,

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you're missing a lot of space on the corners that you could be utilising.

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Yeah.

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And all the apps are very square.

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So like I put Apple ORG CarPlay on.

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And it's a square in the circle.

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Yeah.

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So I can understand.

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But at the same time, I really like

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that it's a nod to the original mini PRODUCT of the

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centre dial. We do like that.

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I do like that. So not mad about that. As in like, I'm not actually disappointed. I like that. I have to say.

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It's crossed my mind

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recently. I've been thinking about

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like a cheapish car

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that would be good fun.

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Oh, yeah. And I keep looking at the supercharged mini PRODUCT-Cupress. Yes. I keep looking at those thinking,

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when they came out, I thought they were great. They are. I mean, there's still a lot of them on the road,

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which to me kind of indicates that they're probably quite good. Yeah. I've driven a range of minis.

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I've worked with many for years And everything I've driven of theirs I've really really liked Even when I first got to live My very first countryman And I was like absolutely not going to be interested in this

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Admittedly it was a John Cooper Works

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And then I got in it, loved it Within a week I was like yes, like this a lot

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So the only one I wasn't sure about was the electric But that was just because the electric hassle Yeah

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But no, 10 out 10 Would recommend There we are Strong, thinking about it John Marka hassle. Yeah. But no, 10 out 10 would recommend. There we are.

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Strong.

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Thinking about it.

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John Marker PERSON.

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Yes, John Marker PERSON. Yeah, sorry, Miles PERSON. No, no, no, no.

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This is what we do. It's okay. There's plenty of me to go around, guys.

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Don't need to fight. I turned up in a B.YD. Seal 3.8S. Good grief. And what does BYD ORG stand for? It's not build your Dreams. I said it was

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build your dreams, didn't I? And I got that completely wrong. No, you said it was something like

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Beyond Your Dreams. Beyond your dreams. Build Your Dreams PRODUCT is the kind of modern namesake

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that has been awarded to BYD ORG, but it never stood for that. No. It's actually a breakdown of

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the word B.RD, which is a Chinese NORP word for the car manufacturer.

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And they just decided, well, BRD in English LANGUAGE is a bit of a B, a bit of a Y, a bit of a D.

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So they've gone with that.

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And then it was a, they called it, there's a special name for it. They call it a retro tag or something where they basically take the acronym and say, oh, well, let's make it stand for something English LANGUAGE. And there's somebody in a marketing department somewhere went, build your dreams. That's not terrible, is it? And then they went with that.But it turns out it is, and they don't use it anymore.

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Okay.

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So it's just B.D.

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So it's just BYD. B.D. Okay.

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B.D. Seal, it is a electric car. It is impeccably fast. It is surprisingly good handling. But beyond that, it is just another EV. And it's quite difficult for me to get excited about it individually as one. The big competitor is the Tesla Model 3 PRODUCT, which is about the same sort of size, although this B.YD PRODUCT is slightly more expensive.

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And I'd say some of the interior trim fit and finish is better than the Tesla ORG. So I can see why they are, or certainly

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they certainly were towards the end of last year. They were outselling Tesla ORG as a brand.

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And I can kind of understand why. So yeah. But there's big things to come from this brand.

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They've got apparently in the next 12 months or so eight cars launching. Good Christ.

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So really? Eight. That's a lot. Yeah. That's more than Taylor Swift now on months.

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Exactly. And ex-boyfriends. And ex-boyfriends. Yeah. So a lot. That's more than Taylor Swift PERSON now on ones. Exactly.

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And ex-boyfriends.

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And ex-boyfriends.

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So, yeah, it's an interesting thing.

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I mean, we might be using it tomorrow.

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You and I, Amy PERSON, to go record the podcast.

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I didn't realize it's electric.

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Not that I'm at all.

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Yeah, no, full EV.

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Full easy.

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So what is the Rangers PRODUCT?

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We have got to go quite far.

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It's, in this one, it's 323 miles, best case scenario.

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If you get the, so this is the all-wheel drive sporty one.

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If you get the less sporty one, rear-wheel drive only, it's slightly better range, but not that much better. It's 354 miles. And likewise, with the pricing, so this one is £48,000. If you get the slightly better range one, it's only 46. So you're like, well, you're not really gaining that much in terms of mileage.So you might as well just spend the extra money, you get the fast one. But yeah, I'd be genuinely intrigued to see what you think of it. Okay. It's an interesting thing. Interesting thing. Anyway, moving on.

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There have been lots of press cars recently.

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We'll go through the list of other press cars and exciting cars we've been driving individually later,

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but we should probably start with the news that Miles Lacey over here has ticked off his first press car for driven. We spoke about it, I think, in our very last episode of the Driven Chat ORG podcast, the old format, and you said, oh, I really hope I book in a Audi RS6 PRODUCT. And you've been driving a Audi RS6.

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Isn't it great when the system works?

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Yeah, I know. It was amazing. It's more specifically the performance, AudiR6 PRODUCT, Avant

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Performance. Yeah. It's a rocket ship, isn't it?

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Yeah. Fast car. I didn't actually go for a drive with it. No, you didn't. It was one of those things. We had it for a week and it was like, oh yeah, that's all the time

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in the world. It never is, is it? No. Yeah, Audi ORG dropped it off and it immediately looked,

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the guy that dropped it off described it as battleship grey. Yes, it's Nardo PRODUCT grey.

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It's the colour. But it looks, it's got that presence of a battleship that's ready to go and, you know, do war.

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It's a very impressive thing.

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I had it for a week. I did about 900 miles in it, something like that, 8,900 miles. Hence the fuel bill.

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Yes. How much did you spend on fuel?

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A lot.

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About, oh, that was about 300. It was about 300. Was it really?

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No, it was 270. 270. it really? No, it's been 270, 270.

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of money.

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But one of those cars, I'd really wanted to drive for quite some time.

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Not because it's not new or anything like that, it's been around a while.

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The performance is what's taken over the current outgoing car, so the performance is a standard car now.

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So it's got all the tech on it, all the toys.

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And it's just a very, very complete, awesome bit of kit.

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It's just a lot of money.

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Yeah, so I have actually forgotten how much it is.

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Has it a yes?

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In my head, I want it to be like £100,000,

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which for an estate car seems like an awful lot of money,

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but then actually in real time it's not,

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because that's basically a five series now, as we discussed with Dan Prosser in next week's episode um go on hundred and so this one

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admittedly had a few toys on it this one was 140,000 pounds and and nine thousand of those

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pounds was on the carbon ceramic brakes.

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9,000 pounds.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And the rest of it was just because it's expensive.

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How do you find the carbon stront brakes?

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I actually brought this up because they're amazing.

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It's a big heavy car and needs big brakes, so they're great.

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However, the one thing I did find is if you're driving on a wet road and you don't touch the brakes for a while, when you do touch the brakes, there's no

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friction whatsoever. So it feels like you're just pressing really, really hard into the bulkhead

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and the car doesn't slow down. Really? Do you have to do a dab on off, back on again? Yeah.

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And I found that a bit disconcerting at times. As ex-Bentley Vehicle Dynamics Engineer ORG,

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yes. Would you say for somebody wanting to buy a performance car,

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because I genuinely don't know the answer to this,

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and I often talk about this in the pub,

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carbon ceramic brakes seems to be a big aftermarket option,

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as you say, £9,000 option now on the RS6 PRODUCT.

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If you were buying it with your money,

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if you had that money in the bank to go and buy yourself a new RS6

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and you weren't doing a tractor every weekend,

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would you bother putting carbon ceramics on your roadcar? Nope. Right.

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I have to go miles on this. Yeah.

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Because we borrowed a Bentley Continental GTS PRODUCT recently.

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Also had the carbon ceramic brakes,

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and that's why I was asking,

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because when you're driving it nicely,

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then you think, yep, these are great.

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When you're going through traffic and kind of like stop-start, it's a bit... They're squealy as well? No, they weren't squealy at like stop, start, it's a bit.

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They're squealy as well?

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No, they weren't squealy at all, actually.

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They were just a bit jerky. A bit on or off.

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Yeah, very on or off.

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And so, like, I was taking a lot of pictures, so Will PERSON was driving a lot. And the amount of times I got not flung forwards into the dash, but I was like, oh, I see.

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Oh, I see.

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Hell, man, are you okay?

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And he said, is these breaks? Drivel a car before me. Yeah.

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So, yeah, but no, that no that was like like I think they're awesome when you're as you said when you're driving but I probably wouldn't have them as a

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daily and again I don't know that if that argument even stands of if you drive them on a if you drive the car on a track regularly because you're still going to go through pads and the pads are really expensive so if you're going to use a car like thaton the track what most people tend to do is actually bin them, if you were going to use a car like that on the track, what most people tend to do is actually bin them off anyway and just put a really good set of steals on.

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Well, that's it. I'm sure I remember our good friend, our good friend, Al Clark PERSON, in his GT3, he's got 911 GT3 PRODUCT, 996, which I think came with ceramics. And then he decided at the point of doing a big service, he didn't want to pay I'm sure thebill I'm sure from memory it was something like 14 grand for a set of carbon ceramic discs

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so obviously he's just like well I'm not going to do that I'm going to put steels on but yeah I just that's the reason I ask because I loads of people go crazy about oh I've got carbon ceramics on my

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car and I never really work out what the best it is because if you can get get them hot, they crack. Eventually, you're going to have to replace them.

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They're going to be the price of a small hatchback when you do need to replace them. What's the point?

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I just think it's a thing to talk about, isn't it? As good as they are. But yeah, I personally wouldn't

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go for them, I don't feel like the car. Is it weight? Is that what it is? Yeah. So you do, there's a, there's, in the boring world of chassis dynamics, there's less unsprung mass. Yes. All that kind of stuff. So per wheel, it doesn't weigh as much. But again, are you going to notice that as a normal driver on the road?Probably not. The list goes on. But, yeah, obviously go to the website or watch the YouTube channel for the full review, but I was very, very, very impressed by the car in many ways. Good. Yes, do that.We have Miles PERSON' debut on the YouTube channel. Go and have a look at the engineer's analysis of the RS6 PRODUCT. And a, if not there already, very soon will be a written article as well. With some beautiful photos from our Henry PRODUCT. Yeah. He's good, in he. He's all right. photos from our Henry PRODUCT. He's good in he.

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He's all right. He's all right.

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He's a lot cheaper than Amy PERSON over there. If you're listening, Henry PRODUCT, you're plenty expensive. Yeah.

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Please don't put your rates up.

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Now, last week's episode was the Goodwood Members Meeting ORG and sounds of Goodwood Members Meeting. You would have heard if you listened, dear listener, the voices of myself and Amy Haynes PERSON. Amy PERSON admittedly only for the very opening and the very closing of the episode because you were flat out busy doing what you were there to do.

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Take photos for Goodwood ORG. We closed off our episode by complaining, basically like two old people.

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We're complaining about how our backs ate, legs ate, how sore our feet were. I did pick up on that. Because we, I think, well, a lot of

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people don't understand. If you are a consumer, I guess if you go to events like Goodwood ORG, any motorsport event, especially if it's a weekend event, you're there for two or three days, you will appreciate that there is quite a lot of time on your feet, walking around, often in not the most comfortable shoes. And, yeah, we bore the brunt of that. How quickly or have your feet recover yet from the experience?

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They have finally, but only to the point now I've just been able to wear the same shoes that I wore over that weekend.

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Oh, no.

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But like my feet were throbbing.

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Actually throbbing. You know when you wake up and you can still feel your feet throbbing?

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It was like that for at least three days. So yeah, more like 17 miles and did a 27 hour shift

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over the two days basically. And you don't really sleep very well. So you've got like 12 hours

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sleep for the whole weekend. So I was tired. It's a long old day. It's a long old weekend,

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isn't it? But we survived. Yes. But it's awesome because the racing is completely different to what

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you will have seen over the last few years.

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Apart from the members meetings, only been going for the last eight years.

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So really, really cool event to go to.

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Really quite empty, but in a good way, not like where is everybody empty, but like I can actually watch some racing empty.

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Yes.

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Wicked cars every year and good mix.

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Good cars, good sounds, good people, yes.

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So thank you for everyone that's taking the moment to leave nice comments and send nice messages about last week's episode.

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Because, yeah, those ones are a schlep.

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They really are.

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But we know people like them.

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So that's why we do them.

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Cool.

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Can you just for a moment try and explain how good the Canam ORG cars were?

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Oh, yeah.

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Because they, even on the podcast, they came across extremely loud.

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So with a quick, sorry, quick question.

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So one of my things I had to photograph Four Goodwood because I was For Goodwood was the Canam Cars PRODUCT. And I realised I knew nothing about Canam Cars ORG. So I spoke to my lovely husband and he was under the impression and I want to know if this is true and I don't know if there's any more information you can give me. That Canam Cars ORG are basically racing without rules. They just had to have two seats.

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I think, yeah, pretty much. There were very few guidelines to it. It was very, very rock and roll of the era.

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Yeah, the Canadian NORP-American championship of let's put the best drivers in the world

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because James Hunt PERSON had a drive.

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There were like big F-1 PRODUCT drivers, and the cars were utterly bizarre.

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And even just walking around the paddock, there were cars with like double wheel front axles, tiny, tiny little eight-inch tires on these things, racing against other cars that had like bigger tires,

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and some were V8 flat plane crank, and some had trumpet. You see the Lotus ORG, I know that was a bit more of a prop, wasn't it from Lotus? But Lotus ORG had that gorgeous one with, it looked like a work of art with the induction trumpets coming out on the top of it. Just amazing.But yes, I think that's pretty much right. And I'm sure there will be people shouting at their speakers and headphones right now go, oh, actually there's more to it than that.

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But it drew, as you say, it drew some impressive drivers and some engineers that we now know to be extremely

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famous and very well established. Adrian Nui cut his teeth on Canham ORG cars way back when.

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He would go out to America to do those regularly. I know this because I've just finished reading Adrian Nui's PERSON book.

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Is it what's called? How to Build a Car? How to Go to a Race Car. It's quite an in-depth read,

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but it's definitely shone a bit of light on him.

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Do you need to be like engineering-minded to appreciate it, or do you think a Luddite NORP like me might get it?

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Yeah, no, you would.

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You would.

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There's parts of it where it does get a bit nerdy.

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Okay. Which I guess you'd need to have, because most people buying it, perhaps buying it because of you.

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But yeah, back to the Canem PRODUCT stuff.

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Yeah, it was actually, they were quite advanced for the time.

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They had like active aero and all sorts of stuff.

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Yes.

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But they look just like massive engines with some bodywork on top.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There was one.

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I don't know which model it was, but there was a...

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I'm sure you saw it black.

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And there was no seat.

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There was no seat in it of any description.

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And I thought, well, maybe the seat gets fitted later,

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but it just turns out there was no seat.

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And the driver, it basically just sits on top of where a seat would probably be?

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Yes, and was it like it looked as if his legs would be touching the very, very front note?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that and I thought, I would not want to go into a wall with that. No, God, no, no, yeah.

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But, yeah, very loud.

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I was terrified, as you probably heard in the podcast, that the sound of them was going to destroy either the microphone I was using or my podcast recording device, because it was so loud. I had earplugs on and noise-canceling headphones, and I'm trying to monitor the audio through my headphones with ear defenders on.

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And even then, I'm still feeling like I'm probably still damaging my ears somehow.

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We were told in the morning that when we were photographing it,

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earplugs were not a request, but you had to wear them

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because they were that loud.

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So, yeah, but they made for great photographs

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because loads of people were plugging their ears.

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But you could tell who was deaf in the crowd because they just...

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Just smiling. Just smiling, take the tape photos in the ipring.

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I'm sure they used to be louder.

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Honestly, it's all old people.

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Protect your ears, people.

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It's important.

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It is important.

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So yes, Goodwood ORG.

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Very good.

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And the photos are, can we see them?

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Where can people go?

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If they want to look at your amazing photos.

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I've just started trickling them on to Instagram ORG. I don't usually bum bar on Instagram ORG too much. But yeah, I've put a couple of posts on there.

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There's some nice ones there.

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It's of the Cannam PRODUCT, I've called it Cannam Cockpix

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because it's just, I literally shove my arm up in the air

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and just photographed down into the,

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because you can see every one of the drivers and all these different liveries look really cool. So. Yeah, some of the sponsors were brilliant.

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Just, yeah, really, really cool to see that. And these cars, I said this in last week's episode as well, but these cars are staying here in the UK

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Oh yeah.

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Up until the Goodwood Festival of Speed

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where they'll all be going up the hill. That's epic. So they've come over here for the Goodwood Revival EVENT, sorry, the Goodwood Members Meeting, and they'll be staying for the Festival of Speed EVENT, and only then will they go back to the Americas LOC?Can you imagine the sound of those things starting up?

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It's going to be amazing. Yeah, if you're heading to the Festival of Speed EVENT, just make sure you work through the programme to see,

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just get anywhere near either the start or halfway up the hill to hear them ripping past,

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because it's going to be incredible. And take some earplugs for goodness sake.

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Question for you, both.

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Yes. Members meeting. Yes. Was there a pick of car that stood out to you? One car? One single car.

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And I know there was plenty.

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I'm going to have to look around the paddocks in my own brain.

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Because normally you come away and go, oh yeah, that's the one.

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I don't know if there was one in particular for me.

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There were a few really cool stories that I spoke to Olly Webb PERSON, and he was driving a Mustang in the Ken Miles Cup PRODUCT.

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But something like eight, nine weeks ago was a little old lady's daily driver in California that had been converted.

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So there are loads of like really cool cars like that. I don't really think there was anything that I took away from the weekend going, I'm so glad I saw that.

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I don't know if you had anything.

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No, I suppose I'm so glad I saw the Can I'm Supposed of Set PRODUCT,

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just because I've never seen them before.

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And that was quite cool.

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But, I mean, in terms of, again, I go on what my person preferences and visuals.

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So the very, very, very last race at the Sunday night was,

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I can't remember what it's called, but itice. All your, was the Gordon Spice?

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Yeah, the owners drive.

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With the Caprize, the UFO jeans, five suit.

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No, D-Type, C-ty.

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Yes, that was the one before.

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I can't think what it's called, but yes.

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I can't remember.

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Yeah, that was one of my favourite, just because it was.

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You do like a jack, don't you?

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Yeah, I do like a Jack PRODUCT, yeah.

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So, just personal interest.

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So that was really cool.

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And also there's like a pastel yellow D- that I'd never seen before, short nice D.

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Yeah, cool.

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But I like some of the shots from that.

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Very good.

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Very good. I have a small anecdote. Oh. Olly Webb, you just mentioned, of the Mustang PRODUCT. Yes. I'd just got back from...No, I was just about to leave for India GPE. Ah, that was my next point, yes.

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It's going to open us up for the next conversation.

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Indeed.

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And I got a call from Mr. Olly Webb PERSON.

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And it was like, you know the, you know, like you said before, when you're at a Metallica ORG concert and someone goes, what's his name? James Hetfield. Yeah. He's broken his finger.

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Does anyone know here?

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Does anyone not to play the guitar? Literally. And you're like, that's me.

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I got a call and he said,

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can you get yourself to Brand's Hatch in like less than an hour and a half? Because that very Mustang PRODUCT needs to be shaken down and I need to get on a plane.

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And I was like,

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like already keys in the ignition.

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Like, got to go? Couldn't get there in time. No. Couldn't get there in time. Say someone else, pipped me to the post.Oh, I know.

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Was it like a race? Did you have to go from Milton Keyes FAC and then you got the call saying somebody's already here?

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It was, yeah. It was literally, it needed to be shaken down. I don't know what the circumstances were, but it would have involved me turning up and driving a glorious Mustang around Brand ORG's hatch. But it didn't happen.

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So, Olly PERSON, if you're listening, I'm ready for the next one.

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Yeah.

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Just make sure it happens at Silverstone ORG next time.

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Just a little bit more head time.

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Yeah.

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That'd be good.

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So you were saying about, yeah, India GPE.

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So, yeah, the point I've listed this out as a schedule in our notes,

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because Amy and I, whilst we were destroying our feet and lower backs around Goodwood ORG,

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Miles was sitting in traffic jams in India GPE. I got a call, what was it, a week or so before? I can't join you around Goodwood, Miles was sitting in traffic jams in India.

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I got a call, what was it, a week or so before,

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I can't join you at Goodwood sadly because I'm going to India GPE.

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Yeah, so I obviously traditionally would have joined you

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to co-host at the members' meeting.

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But I got the call to go to Mumbai GPE.

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I've always wanted to go to Mumbai GPE.

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How was it?

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It was bizarre.

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Okay.

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Have you been to India GPE before?

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I've been to India GPE before.

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I've been to Bangalore GPE.

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And I've also been to Bangalore GPE.

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I've also been to Sri Lanka, but that was for a holiday.

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But Mumbai GPE.

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So we flew into Mumbai GPE and we latterly found out that none of the shoot was in Mumbai whatsoever.

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We had to get in a car and drive four and a half hours to Puna GPE.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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I don't know where that is.

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Puna GPE is sort of that way.

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Whilst is pointing to his right.

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Yes.

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Left, left.

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People that can't see what we're doing.

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It's that way.

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I suppose it would have to be left, otherwise you're in the sea.

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Indeed, yeah.

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So there's a long enough drive,

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but we had a driver called Ankit PERSON. And he, can I just say,

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if he came over to here to race in the British Touring Car Championship EVENT, he would win. Brilliant. He would win 100% because they're just fearless,absolutely fearless. I mean, bear in mind it's one of the most overpopulated countries globally.

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I think the most populated, yeah.

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There's just people and things and stuff happening all the time everywhere.

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And that includes on the road. So you could have a seven, which they often are, a seven lane wide motorway, each side. Seven lanes. Right.

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With road markings that mean absolutely nothing to know one.

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Because basically if there's a gap, people go for it.

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And all you hear constantly is horns because that is the law to put, basically press your horn to say, I'm here, don't crash into me.

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Yes, it means everything.

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It means I want to come past. I'm not coming past. I'm beside you. I'm behind you. I'm in front of you. I am here. Yeah. Yeah. And basically that means if you've pressed your horn, you can do whatever you want to the point where we were on the equivalent of we were going,we'd finish the shoot at this point. We were going back to Mumbai GPE. And we're on what would be the equivalent of our main motorway in the UK, which is the M1 FAC. And our driver took the wrong turning, went off the slip road too soon. And he went, hmm, a bit of a long way around to loop round. I'll just do a U-turn on the motorway. Oh, of course.Yeah.

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So then I've got a video of it. Maybe I could post it on our social.

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They're driving against the traffic. And there's four of us in a Suzuki ORG, like, you know, SUV type thing going,

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oh my God.

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But that was nothing because later down the line, the same bit of road, there was a whole family on a motorbike at night with no lights on coming the wrong way up the motorway.

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I mean, it's no wonder that so many people, you know, snuff it there because there's just no rules.

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Yeah, it is mad. Also, like, whatever vehicle is bigger, usually it has right of way. So if there's like a lorry deciding to overtake another lorry, even if it's on your side of the road, it's like, you have to move out of the way because they're bigger.

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100%.

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You will get crashed into.

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Honestly, I mean... It's not for beginners, is it? It's not...

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If you can drive there, you could literally drive anywhere.

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Yeah.

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But the reason for being there, I can't say exactly why, but we were there doing a car commercial for a new car. And it involved us driving three cars in very close proximity through the city, basically flat out, driving through, like like drift up not drifting

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but like handbrake turning round corners and all three cars really really close to each other and

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whenever it comes out it'll be brilliant but it was manic i've seen some some sneaky peaks

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i've seen what the cars are and it is it is quite yeah i think you might be surprised dear listener to discover what cars they are but they are yeah the footage I've seen so far looks quite good. But you did tell me before we started recording that you had a guy who was from the brand, who was quite sensitive about, didn't really care about the fact that the cars are doing J turns and handbrake turns and sliding aroundabouts.

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But what was it, he was a stippler for? So, yeah, so bearing in mind we were doing some, you know, crazy stuff in the cars, as you said, John PERSON. What they were very, very keen on was making sure that whichever way you were turning, you had the

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correct indicator on. Because that makes it all okay.

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Oh. I do like these. There are always these kind of weird little rules, because I get it with

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the photography side as well,

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and you would make sure that certain things are either on

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or, you know, if there's a driver sat in the car.

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Even if the car is off, they've got to have their seatbelt on, things like that.

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All that stuff.

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Yeah, it's...

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So, a thoroughly enjoyable experience, but carnage,

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because you cannot relax just from the minute you're there,

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everything is just on edge.

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I mean, it's great when you're a passenger

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because you just,

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I just have my nose against the window

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looking out of the world.

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You know,

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when you're driving past,

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oh look,

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there's a fire in the road.

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Oh, look, something that's been knocked off

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motorbike, it's just getting dragged out the road.

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That was like a 200 metre stretch of road from like Chennai GPE when I went there.

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Seriously.

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Yeah, it's mad and I love it.

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Just from a looking through a window, I'm like, this is great. But yeah, a bit scary. I wouldn't want to, would not want to drive there myself.

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So if you're looking, if, you know, what it did do, however, is when I, you know, when I start racing again in a month or so time, I reckon I'm pretty brushed up now.

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Well, I remember having the same thought.

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I spent a bit of time in Saudi a few years ago. I remember having the same thought of if I was preparing for a race season,

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I think I'd want to come out and just spend two or three weeks just driving around.

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Because once you've got into that mentality, because the thing is, in a strange way, it sounds chaotic. I think if 99% of Brits NORP or any westernized country in the world went as a driver to India to drive around or Saudi Arabia GPE, they would immediately go, my God, I hate this, get me away from here, I can't drive here. But once you embrace it as a driver to India to drive around or Saudi Arabia GPE. They would immediately go, my God, I hate this. Get me away from here.I can't drive here. But once you embrace it as a driver, which I did in Saudi NORP, and you start flying to roundabouts at 80, 90 miles an hour, knowing that nobody else wants to crash into me, so they're going to get out of the way,

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you then get home to England GPE and you drive and you go,

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oh, this is rubbish. I have to drive at 30. I have to

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give way to people already here. Yeah, it does make the UK really boring. It doesn't work when one or the other isn't on the same page. But if everyone's on the same page of maniac, it's brilliant.

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Talking about speed, something you've not written on the list. I don't know if you want to talk about in this podcast.

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Oh, gosh. Yeah, we asked lots of people about their speed awareness stories. We did. It's not on the list of things.

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You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.

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You're absolutely right.

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I believe we've had some purlers.

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We have got some belters.

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And yes, we are going to read those out.

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In fact, not just now, but after the break, which we're going to cut to now.

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And then when we come back, we've got a few more talking topics.

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And yes, we are going to work through some of these incredible and some of them are just amazing speed awareness course stories if you don't know what we're talking about i'll

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explain more in a little bit but before we go to our advert break i would like to give a lovely shout out to our sponsor for this first season who we haven't really given enough credit to but it's

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And my God, I'm looking at their website right now, and they have got some incredible cars.

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I'm just going to read out this list to you both.

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A 2020 Ferrari SF90 Stradale PRODUCT.

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That's a scary car.

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That's a scary, brilliant car.

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A 2015 Ferrari 458 Spider PRODUCT in white.

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Oh, white.

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Very nice. A 2018 Aston Martin Vanquish S Ultimate Edition PRODUCT. Very nice. A 2015, this is headline stuff, this one, 2015 Porsche 918 Spider PRODUCT.

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No, they haven't. Number 736. You're joking? Yeah. He's excited about that one.

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For sale. Would you like to hazard a guess on the price? Oh, I want to say it's above a million?

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Oh, it is above a million and it's price on application, but I have a feeling it's considerably

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more than it. It's a million and a house, I think.

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Okay. It's probably the best way to describe it. Another Aston Martin ORG vanquish, a Bentley, Moulzan GPE, EWB. Best car. That is a fantastic car.

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A 992-911 GT3 touring Sunderwunch PRODUCT edition. What on earth's a Sunderwunch PRODUCT?

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I've never heard Sunderwunch PRODUCT.

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Sunderwunch PRODUCT.

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I might have got the pronunciation slightly wrong, but it basically means wish list.

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Ah, I like that.

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So you go and you say to Porsche ORG, a bit like Ferrari ORG have tailor-made.

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You go to your Porsche ORG dealer,

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and if you spent lots of money buying lots of Porsches in the past, they go, oh, you do actually qualify to spend a little bit more money,

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Mr Lacey. Would you like to have some things? So it's got very unusual. It's a one-of-one

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spec. It is glorious. Definitely worth going and having a look. Then we have a Mercedes-Benz

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C-63 S-A-M-G Cabriolet, Brabass 600 PRODUCT. That sounds a bit naughty.

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A 718 boxter. It's probably the most run-of-the-mill car on the website. Yeah, still very nice. And round it off, currently available a 2020 Lamborghini Euras PRODUCT.

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And John PERSON, if I was interested in any of these cars

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that you've just described, how might I find out more about them? Well, simply go to forza cleante.com, Miles PERSON, or scroll down to our bio box below, and you'll see a link through to their website right there.

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All right. So helpful.

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Thanks, Forza Clienti ORG. You guys are great. Back in a sec. Send money. Yeah, get that invoice off. Send it off.

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Send it now. Important. Flagging. The Driven podcast. Important. Flagging. A Driven podcast.

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And we're back in the room. We didn't leave the room.

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But we still here.

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Right. I drove a collection of vehicles recently that I've never driven before. Can we have a guess? Yes, you can.

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I was there, I think.

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No, you're not. No, not that collection of vehicles.

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Oh.

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I've driven two varieties of vehicle that I've ever before. The first one, however, I mean, it is on your list of schedule, but for the art of not giving it away to our dear listener.

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So, yeah, you, John PERSON, sent a video to our little WhatsApp group.

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Yes, yes.

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That video is not going anywhere.

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It's a very funny video, that video is not going anywhere.

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It's a very funny video, but it's also a very confusing video.

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Because I, I don't think we, I don't know about you, Mars PRODUCT,

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I had no idea that John PERSON was going to be driving any of these collection of vehicles.

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And it was just a surprise.

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I didn't expect, of all the vehicles that John PERSON might be found in,

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they were not the vehicles I would have expected from John PERSON.

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You mean you wouldn't have expected me to drive a bin, lorry?

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Well, that's, I think, the bit that caught us off guard.

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Because suddenly we were thrust into the view of you driving a bin lorry with someone who would never seem before.

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And then you're looking a bit surprised because it looked like you'd run over someone.

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Yes, yes.

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This video will be available for you to see in the very near future,

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if not already, dear listener, but certainly in the next week or so from published date.

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Yes, I got invited by the lovely folks at Mercedes-Benz ORG trucks to head over to Milbrook GPE and have a go in some trucks.

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I'm actually quite jealous. Why do you invite us along?

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Well, you were invited along. Was it? Yeah, and then you decided to go on some anniversary holiday instead.

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Honestly. Yeah. And then you decided to go on some anniversary holiday instead. Honestly.

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But, yes. So I don't have an HGV license. I'd never driven anything remotely as big as that. So it was a completely new learning curve for me. But also, here's the important bit. The day that I was invited to and the trucks that I was driving were all 100% electric.So EV trucks. Were they?

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Yep. Didn't look like it, did they?

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No.

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No.

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So, yeah, all three of those trucks, so I drove, and forgive me, Jamie, from Mercedes-Benz ORG trucks,

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because I've already forgotten the actual terminology for them. But a bin lorry, effectively. So the easiest way for me to describe them, if I reel off the model names, you're all going to go, oh, I don't know what that means. But imagine a bin lorry, but without the bin on the back.

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Right. So it's just the kind of... Just a lorry. It's the big, the large, low-down seating position, huge windscreen. You all know what a bin lorry looks like. It was one of those, but without the big bin mechanism on the back. So one of those. The next one, think of John Lewis Furniture Delivery Truck ORG. So fixed axle, big box on the back. This is... This is...I'm sorry, John PERSON, but this is where you're revealing the class that you grow up in, all right?

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We have never had John Lewis PERSON come to that. Delivery truck.

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Keep going.

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All right.

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Be an M for delivery.

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And then the third, which was the one that I was really excited, but also the most nervous about, was a full articulated tractor trailer with 18 tons of concrete slabs in the back to give it some weight in order to allow me to experience what it would be like to drive a truck of that weight.

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Wow.

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Yes, I now look at trucks and truck drivers and the general art of driving a big vehicle very differently. Positively?

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Yeah, very positively. I'm in awe for these people.

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I think everyone perhaps has a understanding or an expectation of what driving a lorry might be like. And then the reality of that is actually a lot more difficult, a lot more complicated, a lot more dangerous. So much to think about in terms of braking distances, the size of you on the road, you're positioning,the way that you enter a corner, how that affects the trailer you're pulling at the back.

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It's the first time in a very, very, very long time

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that I've got into any type of vehicle, and I've consciously had to continuously think, what am I doing now, what am I doing now, now what do I do, where do I put my foot to find the brake, Where do I hold the steering wheel position? Whereas, you know, we're all quite lucky the three of us. We get into lots of different cars or onto motorcycles or, yeah, that sort of thing. And we'll just kind of go, okay, you figure it out within 10, 15 minutes. In a lorry or atruck, it's a completely different thing. And you just had to go going forwards. You didn't

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try and do any backwards moving. Oh, no, I did the whole lot. Oh, did you? Millbrook Proving Ground FAC.

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So I did the high speed bowl.

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I did the Alpine handling course that isn't called the Alpine handling course anymore.

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And some just general road network bits because I wasn't allowed on the main road out of Milbrook GPE because I don't have a license. So I had, yeah, escorted drives in these trucks. It's all on camera. We've filmed loads of it. We're working on the edit right now. Yeah. It's all on camera. We've filmed loads of it. We're working on the edit right now. Yeah. It's quite the thing. Has it enticed you to go and get your HGV license?

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Not particularly because I don't think I'd enjoy pursuing that particular job as a career.

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Not as a career, just for the interest.

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But yeah, I guess in a way it has. I'm very, very, very grateful to have done it. I'm very glad I've done it.

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And yes, I guess perhaps to tick it off the list, if somebody said, oh, you know, come and do that, we'll sort that, then I probably would. But whether or not I'd be worthy of it,

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because I probably wouldn't put it into any use of practice. What would you say was the single most eye-opening element of it?

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That was going to be my next question, too.

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It would be, yeah, starting stopping distances. I've always had the kind of knowledge

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and expectation that stopping a, especially a big articulated lorry full of stuff in the back is going

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to take a long time. But I think until you are physically pushing that brake pedal and realizing,

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okay, we've got, so here's an analogy that you'll either get instantly or not. Have you ever played

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handbrake bingo?

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No.

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When you're usually in an old car and if you're like with some mates in the car and you're pulling up to a set of traffic lights,

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I don't recommend you do this, folks, but I'm sure where I want to start.

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And you do three or four clicks on the handbrake to bring you to a stop on the line.

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Right.

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Okay. So you're like, oh, give it four clicks. I'm doing 23 miles an hour. Give it four clicks and hopefully that will get me to stop to the line without having to then slam your foot on the brakes. I don't, again, I don't recommend this because your brake lights aren't on.

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But it's something I've done in car parks with friends for years.

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You click and come to a stop. Break pedals in a lorry is a bit like handbrake bingo where you put your foot on. And you just hope that that's enough to get it to a stop because of course you can slam even further on but then you're risking locking up the rear wheels and stuff but then here's the other thing i had it easy because they're EVs and it's a two gear automatic transmission olden days 26 gears plus with a clattery massive 12 litre diesel chugging away underneath you so you can't hear anything you've got to focus onclutch control as well as trailers, as well as cyclists, as well as visibility, as well as everything else. It is mind-bending. I feel like every single car driver in the world needs to go and spend a day driving lorriesto fully appreciate how difficult it is. That's really interesting.

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Yeah, because the one thing that really annoys me is when you see people like overtaking lorry at a roundabout or just before a roundabout then be like I'm going to break into it and then poor lorry is like, oh no.

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Oh, George's been sane.

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There's a very, there's a notorious roundabout very close to where we live, where lorries have to swing out to the left to go to the right around the roundabout.

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And I saw an idiotic comment recently on our local Facebook forum group where somebody said, it's so lovely that the lorries up that roundabout. And I saw an idiotic comment recently on our local Facebook forum group

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where somebody said,

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it's so lovely that the lorries up that roundabout pull over to the left to let the faster cars go by. And you're there going, no. No, you moron. That's exactly the opposite of what they're doing. They're doing that so they can get around.But yeah, and it just shows that so many people have no concept of how big, how heavy, how difficult, how much concentration is required to drive these vehicles. And yeah, it was really eye-opening. So there is going to be a video online, as I say, on our YouTube channel. There is also going to be a supporting written article because I worked through with Jamie PERSON.I worked through a list of tell me five things that you wish car drivers knew about driving a truck. And we worked through that in the video and that will turn into the article as well. So, yeah, have a look out for that. It is quite special. And if either of you get the chance to drive a big truck, do it. Trucker.I'd give it a go.

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I'd actually love to, yeah.

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Have you got your trailer licence, Marks PERSON?

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No.

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Don't need it anymore.

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Of course you don't.

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No, I spent how much of six hundred,000, I get my trailer licence. And now, if I just waited a couple of years, then I would have got it for free. I do recommend, because I occasionally tow things. I didn't do my trailer licence, but I think anyone that's thinking about doing it,you can still go and do courses for a day or so

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where they give you some ins and outs, and it is an art. It's not something to just have a go at, especially if you're pulling something heavy. Does that count if you go to another country?

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As in like the issue, I've told this story before on the podcast, but when I got pulled over by the police in Germany GPE for not having a trader license, even though I technically would now have one, I have gone.

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But, you know, in the UK GPE, if you then drive to another country, I guess it depends on that country's law.

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Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

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Not something I would have even considered, really.

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Check before you travel, folks.

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Consumer advice.

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So yes, keep on the website for that and the YouTube channel, Mercedes-Benz ORG trucks. Thank you again, Jamie, and the team at Mercedes-Benz ORG. It was eye-opening. Very, very, very cool. But hey, I'm not the only person in this room that's recently had a go at driving something new for the first time. These segways are just so slick.

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Is that we planned them?

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This week.

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Miles Lacey PERSON. Yes. Miles PERSON, Miles, Miles, Miles. You are now a proud member of the motorcycle group club thing.

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Welcome. Yeah.

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I am. I was the only member of the team that didn't know anything about riding motorcycles, certainly didn't have a licence, and I'd never even sat on one before.

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Did you not?

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That's mad.

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Yeah, that's mad. I imagine you talked to it like a duck to water. In my head.

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Well, you can't see that deal at he's nodding.

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He's like, yeah, basically, yeah.

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No, no, no, I was looking at a wheelie.

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I was all the fuss about.

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I was looking across to John PERSON, sort of, for his opinion,

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because you watched the whole thing happen. I did, I did. Yeah, you did. You kind of nodded, but almost as if, like, you needed the reassurance from John PERSON that you did take to it like a doctor water.

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So to paint the picture, we'd spoken about this a while ago because actually the catalyst was you had done last year the gentleman's ride, was it?

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Yeah, DGR, which I'm doing again this year. Remind me, I need to write that down. I need some sponsorship.

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And we went, oh, that would be a good idea if I could come and do that as well.

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Because I'd come across a motorcycle brand in the UK called Mutt ORG motorcycles,

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and they make these fantastic cafe racer-style motorbikes.

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1-2-5s PRODUCT.

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But they're all 1-2-5s or 250s PRODUCT.

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So the theory being you can have a really nice looking cool bike,

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but you can still have an L-Place, basically.

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Which is worth pointing out that is a relatively new thing,

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because I only did my CBT eight, nine years ago.

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And if I wanted anything

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remotely cool, like motorcycles, it was something built in a very bizarre shed in some corner of China GPE that I probably wouldn't have trusted very much. For sure. But then. Now, these bikes are brand new. They're assembled. They're kind of put together a little bit in Singapore GPE, I think, and then they're assembled here, finished here in England GPE. And they look fantastic.

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They look brilliant.

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Yeah, really, really cool looking things.

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So we got in touch to them and said,

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Mars PRODUCT is, you know, utterly useless and never done any flights before.

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How about you get him to do a CBT on one of your bikes? And that's exactly what we did.

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So we went along, we went to their HQ in South Birmingham GPE,

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and did the CBT from start to finish on a mutt.

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How did you find it?

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Because I remember doing the first car part bit where you literally, like, I've never sat on a

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motorbike and going like forwards and then stopping, still being quite scary. So how did you find it? I mean, because it was the first time even ever using like the clutch on a motorbike, first time ever changing gear. I didn't even know how you changed gear on a motorbike before.

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All I did, literally, this is the, God's honest truth.

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The only prep that I did was my friend,

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I went and sat on his bike in the garage the night before,

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and he went, this is how you go up and down gears, this is how you do the clutch, says he turned it on and off. That was it.

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Yeah.

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So everything was legitimately me doing it for the first time.

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And John PERSON will attest to this, I was so stiff

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and wooden. Yeah, you were. My arms were like locked out in front of me and my shoulders up.

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And at the end of the day, I was like, my shoulders up a bit. And it was because I was so nervous.

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But I got off the bike saying to you, this is the first time in probably 15 years when I first

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learned to drive a car that I felt like this was a totally, totally new skill.

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Yes. But you did very well. Because I first learned to drive a car that I felt like this was a totally, totally new skill. Yes. But you did very well because I think back to my CBT PRODUCT and I have fairly vivid memories of it.

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I was so nervous. And I remember things like the big ones for me were turning the road, which is essentially a big U-turn that you have to demonstrate you can do whilst looking over your shoulder without putting your feet down, crucially without dropping the bike, because you're doing it very slowly,

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which as an experienced rider now, you do without even thinking about it. But when it's brand new

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to you, you've got this massive heavy thing beneath your legs, you're trying to balance clutch control,

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you're trying to manage the rear brake with your right foot. And it's, yeah, so many things to

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think about, which again, a bit like me driving those lorries, you've never even allowed,

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that department of your brain doesn't exist yet. It's going, what's this?

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I love that you say that you don't even think about it. I absolutely still paddle around to do

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any form of you turn. Oh, I definitely put my foot down. Yeah, yeah. I'm not that slick.

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No, I'm absolutely not that slick either. So, yeah, if you're listening to this and you're all sort of

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paddler, then join our club. Yeah, yeah, it's okay. But no, you were great, and we have to say,

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and we did say this in the video,

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we said this a couple of times in the video,

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the guys that did the course,

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so Jake PERSON, who was your instructor, and I'm led to believe, looking at the feedback and comments that we've had on the video, both on our Instagram feed and on our YouTube feed,there are quite a few people that have done the course at Mutt with that particular team of instructors, so I think are subbed in by Mutt ORG motorcycles. The feedback is unanimously brilliant. Yeah. And I have to say team of instructors, so I think a subbed in by Mutt ORG motorcycles, the feedback is unanimously brilliant.

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And I have to say, and I choose my words carefully because I know that, yes, no secret, we were sponsored that day,

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but they've not paid us to say anything. We've not, there's been no financial incentive other than, just come along, we'll cover the cost for your day. The instructors were so, so good. And even me as a rider that's been riding around, wobbling around for nine years or so,I was listening to stuff going, I've never thought of that.

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That's a really good idea. That's a really good point. They were just spectacular. Jake PERSON, especially, I don't know if you're listening to this, Jake PERSON, if you found us, you were absolutely superb.And I did say that to him at the end of day. And I know it's a bit embarrassing and a bit awkward, you know, getting feedback like that. I always struggle when people say nice things. But I did say that to him at the end of the day. And I know it's a bit embarrassing and a bit awkward, you know, getting feedback like that. I always struggle when people say nice things. But, yeah, I felt compelled to say it because I've never seen such brilliant tuition on an event like that.

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It was. It was fantastic. And even, you know, I said to you at the start, oh, yeah, I am a bit nervous actually. And I, you know, any car, anything before wheels, just doesn't bother me anymore. I'll just get in and go.But I was genuinely nervous about this. And by the time we got to the halfway through the day, where it was the point to actually go out on the road ride, I said to you, I actually feel like confident enough.

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Like I'm in control enough now to go and do this, whereas at two hours before, I would have been like, no way.

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But yeah, and to your point about the trucks, I came away from that, I think, being a much more considered and aware driver on the road, certainly for motorbikes now, because you really do realize how vulnerable you are on a motorbike.

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And like Jake said, until you're alongside the wheel of a, alongside an 18 wheeler or something like that, you don't realise how big things are

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until you are quite significant thing on the road,

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i.e. being on a motorbike.

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I remember being on the back of a bike for the first time and being suddenly very aware of my kneecaps and like tarmac.

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Like that was one of those.

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I just looked down and thought, ooh, this is nothing from me between me and the road. And yeah, it is quite a scary thing when you first get on the bike or on a bike.

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Yeah, it is. It is absolutely. Yeah. absolutely yeah and as i say i just all credit to mutt for putting that together because it was absolutely fantastic but yeah you you got your certificate

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well done you're now on your way to being a motorcycle rider now we flirted the the the dGR the

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distinguished gentleman's ride i completely forgot to add this to my list of notes but once once again, I am riding with Team Triumph this year for the Distinguished

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Gentleman's Ride.

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I've been kindly given a Scramble XE PRODUCT. Nice. 1,200. Quite excited by that. Although I am also quite nervous that I'm going to want to buy one afterwards because I look at them all the time.They think, God, that's a cool looking bike. And yeah, a bit like the quandary I've had with the Ducati ORG Desert X since I drove that, I've gone... You do talk about it quite a lot. That Desert X, Ducati ORG really did... Yeah, that spoke to me.

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When is the distinguished gentleman's ride?

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It's the 19th of May. So not very long from now. And if you're feeling especially generous, then you will be able to donate to the cause. It's full charity donation. I'll put a link in the bio below to take you through to my donations page. And if you want to just throw a couple of quid at it, it all goes to a really, really, really fantastic cause. And in fact, I wrote an article on our website. I'll link to that as well below about the DGR and what it's all about and why it's so important. But a headlinestatistic that I remember somebody telling me last year, which I just cannot get out of my head, is that somebody takes their own life once every 60 seconds, which could be effectively

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prevented by just talking more, communicating issues, communicating unhappinesses.

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And that statistic really, really sticks with me because if we can just fund these organisations and there's a lot of the funding that DGR EVENT raises will go towards mental health charities, enabling people to have these sort of conversations. And if it can change one family's outcome where somebody's not lost and somebody's life is preserved, it just makes a massive, massive difference. So if you don't know anything about the DGR EVENT, the Distinguished Gentleman's Ride, I urge you now to scroll down and have a look in the bio. There's a bigarticle from me to tell you all about it. And then another link to my charity donation thing. Even if you don't give it to me and give it to somebody else, I don't care. Just throw some money at this charity. It's incredible. If you're doing the DGR in London, drop me a message on Instagram ORG. I will ride with you because that's where I've decided to do it in my hometown. I love it very much. So yeah, if you are a fellow London rider on the DGR, please let me know and we can ride together and do some cool stuff.Well, I guess it's about time that we address the talking topic that we've been building up to, which is the call to action that we gave in the very first episode of this new season, where I spoke about the fact that I'd been an absolute lunatic and driven at 81 miles an hour and 17.

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What an absolute lunatic. Imagine confessing such a thing on a podcast. And I invited some stories from our dear listeners to see if anyone had experienced a speed awareness course and the people and novelties that come with it.

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And we did get some messages. Turns out it's a hot topic. It is a bit of a hot topic. Now, you both very kindly shared the call to action as well on your Instagram feeds. Would one of you like to go first? I've got a few stories.I've got one that I definitely want to end with

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because it is just spectacular.

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But yeah, if you guys have got anything that... Shall I start with a short one?

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Please. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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Are we giving people's real names?

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Probably not.

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Okay. Probably not.

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For fear of incriminating them even further.

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Yes. Okay, here we go. fear of incriminating them even further. Yes.

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Okay, here we go.

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Back in 2012, I was gifted my first UK GPE speeding fine. Uh-huh.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I took the speed awareness course. During the course, when they asked my name in occupation, and I said, insert name here, and the occupation was racing driver.

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Oh, no, never do that, surely.

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And they all left. I left the speed awareness course in my Perjot 106 PRODUCT at full chat, as I was late picking up my friend. Leaving the speed awareness course, I got clocked at 82 in a 70 zone. When I was questioned by the officer as to my awareness of my speed, I said, yes, officer, I believe the course is improperly named.I was very aware of my speed. It was just faster than your prescribed suggestions. Now, I feel like this person is just asking for trouble.

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Have I met this person? No, but it's the kind of person you'd expect to have.

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He's an Aussie NORP.

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Okay, no, it's an Aussie NORP.

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I didn't get an offer for another speed awareness course. Funny that. And the officer didn't find it offer for another speed of awareness course. Funny that. And the officer didn't find it funny and left me with a fine and three points on my licence.

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What a plonker.

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What a plonker. That's very funny.

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I mean, I had a comment, this is just a little comment, not even a story, but our good friend, that I will say, Matt Walton PERSON,

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who was racing racing at goodwood

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last weekend he did say um that he just argued with his teacher about stopping distances for about 10

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minutes i can imagine i can imagine that's why i said it because i can imagine him doing that but um i can

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read my my one little story um so this is from a good friend uh who's i who is a motorcycle journalist

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and has been for many years.

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Very good.

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So he said, I did one about seven years ago.

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I got court speeding on a bike.

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I was the only person there who rode a bike and it turns out that one of the blokes who did the course also rode a bike. Once he knew that I did, he became my best friend. During the break, he came up to me and started talking about advanced riding and how it would make me better, faster, safer rider. He picked up a copy of a well-known motorcycle newspaper they had on the sideand said, I'd have to do one if I wanted to be like this guy. I declined to tell him that I was the bike journal, and the person he was pointing at in the photo was me.

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Amazing.

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I wish he had pointed that out, actually.

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That would have been real...

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But no, again, I like the idea.

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That's something you take home, smug. I know.

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You sleep well on that.

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The people that need to know, no. Those that don't need to know, don't need to know. That is glorious.

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Yeah. You know what I will say? His name is Jordan PERSON. Jordan Gibbons PERSON is a great journalist. And now I think works in Norton ORG, or at least the last time I spoke to me, worked for Norton ORG.Yeah.

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Tand Bloke ORG. So I got a lot of messages. We got a lot through to the driven Instagram account, lots of really short ones. Amazingly, loads of people that have taken great pleasure, including one from Rich PERSON here that says there was a lawyer doing the course who specialised in traffic law. And oh, the irony.

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And there was another one from Matt who says, I did one in circa 2008, which had a very sheepish police officer also on the course.

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No.

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You just wouldn't admit it, would you?

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You would not sit there and go, oh, yeah, I'm actually a police officer.

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I'm a racing driver and police officer.

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Two things you don't say.

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There's another one here.

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Now, I feel like either I've invented this memory, or this is a legitimate thing, but Chris

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has commented and said, someone who attended his speed awareness course filmed themselves on the way to and from the course

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driving at 140 plus miles an hour in an Audi RS 6 PRODUCT.

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What? Now, I don't know if I've just invented this memory, but I feel like I remember hearing about this on the news. You know, I think I do too. And I think it was the fact that he was going back home from a speed of awareness course that made it so ridiculous. He was caught

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doing 100, or wasn't caught, but it uploaded the footage of him doing it. And then probably got it, prosecuted. Yeah, he did. Yeah. And then working out that, oh, he's actually done that on his way home from a course, which is spectacular. Another one, Neville PERSON has said, well, a fight broke out at mine and the police were called. What?

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But I say how does that happen?

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I can understand how that would happen because you do sit there in a classroom and go, who are these morons?

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And that could very easily escalate.

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Oh, yes, I enjoyed this one.

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This one's from Fraser ORG. I had a woman blame her speeding on a driver tailgating her. When the instructor asked how she would deal with that in the future, she said, well, my dad always taught me that if someone does that to you, then you should keep accelerating and then dab your foot on the brake, to which the driving instructor advised that that was break checking and is probably about as being stupid as tailgating someone.

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Oh my God. These people drive with us.

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And someone's teaching their daughter to do that.

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Yeah, yeah. That's not good. The big prize, the grand prize for the greatest story on speed

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awareness courses has to go to Carl PERSON. Hello, Carl. Carl is an avid listener of our podcast and very much

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enjoying the new podcast, but I won't grace us with compliments. I'll just cut straight to the chase.

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I have a speed awareness story for you. I was recently on my third in 18 years

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and was similarly astounded by the lack of understanding

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of cruise and speed limited control.

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That was my complaint really on episode one.

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The story comes from my first course in 2012

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which was held at Warwick Racecourse FAC.

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Now Warwick Racecourse FAC, for anyone that doesn't understand,

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is a horse racing facility where horses race.

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A lady arrived for the course and was confused about

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how we were going to drive fast on the grass when a couple of us investigated further. The woman genuinely believed that a speed awareness course was essentially advanced driver training so that we would all know how to handle our cars at speed.

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That's great.

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What a donut.

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Good for her.

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That is a donut.

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I mean, I don't think I had any more stories anywhere near as good as that.

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But somebody did say they were driving well over the limit to get to their course in time because they said anyone late would get points.

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I didn't know why you'd say that.

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But, yeah.

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Well, you could argue. Just leave earlier.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you could do that.

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One bloke said, my mate overtook the instructor on the way to his course. She noticed.

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I like putting it into the carpont and going, oh, you know.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Super.

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Well, if you happen to have a better story, then do feel free to send them in. We'll see if we can re-address this at a later time.

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What I will say, though, is that we're drawing to the end of this episode, but we're also pretty much halfway through this first season, at which point we will then have a little bit of a break once again, and then we'll come back with some more episodes, probably summertime. So, yeah, a massive thank you to everyone that has joined us so far for this first few episodes and for this episode. As I said, at the very beginning, if you are feeling especially generous and you want to just give us a little pat on the back, you can do so simply by leaving us a lovely review. Wherever you're listening to this, if you're on Apple ORG podcast, a great reviewin Apple Podcast does great things for us. If you're on Spotify, you can do a little five-star rating and all platforms, I think, have some way of inflating our ego slightly. So please do that. Otherwise, all that leaves me to say is, don't forget, you can check out everything that we do, including our written articles, the videos that we produce, the photographs that we take, and the entire back catalogue of podcast episodes from this season and our old format, the Driven Chat ORG podcast. You can see all of it at our website and the website is driven.Dot site. It's so easy to remember. It is. What is your website? It's driven. Dot site. Couldn't be more simple. It couldn't be more simple. If you would like to contact us about anything, you can slip into our DMs or send us an email. And the email address is podcast at driven.com.We'll have a good story.

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We do.

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We do.

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We do. We do. Yeah.

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We do love it.

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We do you. Yeah. Send us, impress us with your writing skills, dear listener. For now, I will say a massive thank you to you two in the room, Amy Haynes, Miles Lacey PERSON. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Pleasure as always. Cheers, John Walker. For being Lacey PERSON. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Pleasure as all.

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Cheers, John Walker PERSON. For being so brilliant. Thank you, dear listener, for listening. Thank you for the music.

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That's where my brain went too.

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Yeah, Abba.

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Painful. Yep, that's all for now. Thank you very much. And goodbye.

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Bye. Bye.

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The Driven podcast is a Paramex Digital production produced and hosted by me, John Markar PERSON. It is co-hosted by Amy Haynes, Mars Lacey PERSON and the occasional special guest. Audio production and title music is by Tom Kent. To find out more about Driven and the Driven podcast, please visit Driven.com ORG. Find us on social media by the same name at Driven.com ORG. And contact the show via email.Podcast at Driven.com ORG.