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Hello everyone. Shannon Gus here, getting you ready for our week 10 recap of Survivor 46 with Ferris PERSON. Such a fun time with Ferris PERSON. I hope you guys enjoy that even a little bit. As much as I enjoyed doing it, always love talking to Ferris PERSON. But before we get there, I did miss a plug at the end of the show that I wanted to plug for a comedy show that is on for the Sydney side is, Sydney Comedy Festival this weekend.I'll be going to the show this weekend. And it's something called The Saboteur, which is like an improv show, but one person is the mafia, traitor, werewolf-style saboteur, like Kelly PERSON was once meant to be. And that's at the factory theater in Marrickville this coming weekend. So I thought I would plug that because it feels like a very good, you know, interest for our audience who love these games of strategy with some comedy as well.So you can find that at Sydneycomedyfest.com.com.com.com.com. You slash event slash the dash saboteur. So that's on May 9th, 11th, and 12th from this coming Thursday. Hope you guys are interested in that. Thank you so much again for listening to this. The draft check-in is out as well. And then we also have, I'll be with Kelly Wentworth on the Noodles this coming week.So a lot of Survivor content happening for US GPE Survivor. Hope you guys are enjoying. Enjoy this recap with Ferris PERSON. And I will see you now. Bye. Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor 46 for Survivor Global ORG. I'm your host,Shannon Gus PERSON, here to talk about an episode that I loved so much. Like truly I feel instantly iconic, a big move, implicit immunity sailing, which is rude considering our current guest, who is someone I'm so excited to be recapping Survivor WORK_OF_ART with. He is your reigning global survivor champion at this point,

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reigning Australian NORP Survivor champion. He is your reigning chiszy winner at this point. It's a great

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Ferris for self. Ferris, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me, Shannon PERSON.

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I'm so excited that I'm on this for this specific episode because I absolutely loved it. I'm all over it. I'm loving it. So, yeah, so excited to be talking to you about this.

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What part? Was it, was it someone getting voted out with an idol, which really, I think,

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makes you look even better the way that you and the world did your idol? Or was it 40 minutes of

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Applebee's, which is Australians NORP shouldn't really hit, but it was hitting for me.

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minutes of Applebee's, which is Australians NORP shouldn't really hit, but it was hitting for me.

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It was, it was Liz, Liz, Liz, Liz, Liz, like all about Liz, and I adored Liz, and I loved every moment of it, and he made me wish I was on Survivor 46 WORK_OF_ART just to experience that in person,

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because that was just gold. I loved every moment of it. I'm sure Liz didn't, but I did. Yeah. Jeff Probst PERSON once said

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that like some women's take, I'm really paraphrasing, but like take a long time to become iconic,

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but some are like iconic in the moment. This was that. Like as I was watching him like this

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blow up, it had everything you wanted. It was like based around two great characters in Liz PERSON and

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Q. It was the intensity of the season that he like wouldn't let her have this reward. It was so cute. It was the blowup,

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which was, like, historic. And then it was the fact that it was all over Appleby's ORG.

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Like, that's the comedic note that the could reac required. And, like,

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there were some people like, oh, there's 40-minute Appleby ORG commercial. I'm like,

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if you don't like that, I don't understand you. This is such for television.

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It should win an award. And I don't know if you know this Ferris PERSON,

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but I have a thing with the sponsors. I love all Survivor WORK_OF_ART sponsors. I used to actually have a segment on my Survivor South Africa podcast that I called the Biasstraf Variety Hour WORK_OF_ART because there

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were so many sponsors and they'd all tweet about the show. And this one sponsor, Biasdraff ORG, my favorite of the sponsors, no offense, Applebee ORG's, but they would like tweet really shady

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stuff about the contestants. Like, I don't know who they were like a stand, but worse. Like, they were shady. And we would talk about it every week on the podcast. So I loves the sponsors. So 40 minutes of Applebee's ORG, I couldn't ask more.

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That's like the best commercial ever for Applebee's ORG.

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Like, they're, honestly, their customers should have gone through the roof after that episode. Because I didn't even realize how much I wanted Applebee's ORG after watching that episode. And I don't even know what the hell Applebee ORG's was before watching that episode. Yeah. So yeah. I've never had Applebee's ORG, but I will say that in like, I was like rewatching the episode the next dayduring like dinner time for this podcast.

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And I did get a burger for dinner.

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And I don't think those two things unrelated.

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Like it made me just want burgers I'm like well I got a burger and it was great yeah every single brand should want every food brand should want to sponsor Survivor WORK_OF_ART it's such good advertising

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it's just really the bad you feel so like seamless as well and effortless like I

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love this hopefully I really Liz gets sponsored by Applebee's ORG. I really hope, like,

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we get something out of this for Liz PERSON. Yeah, I mean, I feel like Survivor WORK_OF_ART as a show should be sending this episode to every fast-hoo chain in America GPE. And obviously, like,

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Australian Survivor's done that so well with KFC.

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Like, I know every time the KFC...

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We get that.

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Yeah, you... Yeah, because who did you... You just had the car sponsor? Yeah, we had the car sponsor.

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We didn't have any KFC. I wanted KFC.

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But every time they do KFC, I don't know why KFCs ORG, did they not sponsor the season? No, no.

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We're not involved in the season before,

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which I was really upset about.

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That's upsetting and wrong from them because truly every time it happens, Peter's like, I need to get KFC. I know that is a big thing.

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So it works. I don't know. I want Applebee's ORG now.

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Yeah. So anyway, incredible episode. Ferris, last we spoke to you, you, we did the deep dive five hours and you had just one survivor. How's life? I saw you with JLP PERSON, hobnobbing with the

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glitterati and fancy cards.

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Yes, yes.

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It brought back a lot of trauma seeing his face again.

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Really?

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Yeah, it really did.

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Like hearing his voice and seeing his face, it's like, okay, this doesn't sit right with me.

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As much as I love JLP PERSON, I never want to hear his voice again.

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I never want to see him again.

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But yeah, I know, it is awful, but trust me, like it brings back a lot of a lot of trauma. But, um, it was awesome. I loved it. Um, it was such a good event. It was, uh, for, uh, the top gear launch. So I was like, I need to see JLP PERSON and have a bit of a convo with him. So we, we talk to a few things, Survivor WORK_OF_ART, um, and what's, what's next in the future so very very interesting and a good night love the night so it was awesome seeing jelp PERSON again yeah but just in general like

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you've been a winner now for i don't know how long since the end of the season it feels like it's been a year but what's it like what's the difference in going from being a not a survivor winner into being a survivor winner except the money oh yeah Oh yeah, except the money, exactly.

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Definitely got recognized a lot more than I ever would in my entire life.

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I thought people would have been like over it by now, but still I'll be walking in Western Sydney and like some random person would come up to me and just tell me how much they love the season, which is amazing. I love that.People aren't over it yet. So I love that the hype train is still happening. It's slowly, slowly slowing down. But it feels like after that roller coaster ride, I feel like I'm slowly getting my life back in order with my daily routine. So no, it feels good. It feels awesome.I love it.

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Well, we love that you are now

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play who can come to recap the show with us. But this is your first US Survivor ORG season.

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Yes, it is. It is. Yeah. And that's, it's so different. It's, it's really just such a different

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show at this point to a Australian Survivor WORK_OF_ART. What are your, like, big macro takes on New Era US

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compared to, like, your experience of the show? Um, okay. Um um okay um look the if we're talking about like right

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from the beginning of this season the three teams thing the three tribes sorry just i don't know

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that doesn't sit right with me only because like i don't think i would do very well with u.s survivor

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only because when you're in three tribes and

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there's less people, there's less chess pieces to move around.

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Like, it's either you're on the right side or the wrong side.

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Simple as that. If you're on the wrong side, then, yeah, good luck. So I don't like the fact that there are three tribes of six people. Maybe if they increase the amount of people in each tribe, that'd be a bit better. So there's a lot more gameplay to work around. But if you're just, if you're in an alliance or outside of an alliance,then you just pretty much have no hope unless you're just like this social master. So I don't know. I felt I felt like that it's a lot harder for players to really shine pre-merge with the whole three tribes. The advantages, honestly, I'm still trying to get my head around it. Me too. I really am. I literally Googled it last time. I'm like, what the hell is a beware advantage?

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What the hell is a shot? No, a shot in the dark. That's what he was. And honestly, I'm not going to lie. I'm still trying to have my head around. Okay. They didn't explain it. Okay, good. You're right. Because now there's like an assume no, they shot in the dark. So every one of them gets like a die. So they don't roll. But it's still a die. And then if they, we've seen like Mariah use it. So then instead of voting, she can use her shot in the dark. Okay. And then she doesn't get to vote.

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And then it's a one and six chance, even though she does not roll it again.

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But if he picks it, then he picks out a scroll, one of six scrolls.

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And if it's the one scroll is safe, then she's safe.

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So it's hit one time in the new era ever.

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Okay. All right. Wow. Holy crap. Yeah, no. I feel like there's just a lot of, yeah, advantages and different types of, you know,plays that really take a bit of power out of the player's hands on top of the fact that there are six people in the tribe. So I don't know. I feel like they just need to go back to the old setup. If they want to put advantages, that's fine as well. But like for a first time watcher like me, I was so confused for like the first five episodes of like what the hell is going on. But I'm slowly getting into it now. Love the cast. I actually, I actually really do like the cast of this season. I think that the women are absolutely amazing of this season. I think they are the ones dominating the season. I think the women are absolutely amazing of this season.I think they are the ones dominating the season, and I love that.

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But, yeah, I just feel like they, if comparing it to Australian Survivor WORK_OF_ART,

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they just need to have less advantages, more people, less teams.

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Yeah, I mean, it's very interesting to hear you come in on season 46

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because they do have

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all this assumed knowledge for all of these like little knickknacks at this point um that we've learned

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along the way but you're right that is pretty confusing and probably is a bit of a barrier for entry

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for new viewers which is something they should probably think about i mean we had the opposite of that

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on survivor uk bar season which was the first of the franchise assumed people knew nothing about survivor which was largely true because it hasn't been in the UK GPE. And we're like, this is what an idol is. So we probably are on either side of the spectrum there. But, yeah, that is really, really interesting. And it's interesting that you say as well, there's some difficulties in it for the player.

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Because I think a lot of it, you want a 47-day game. And there is a lot, like, it's day 13.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I mean, that's a big part of it. But as you say, like, in many ways it's more constricted. A player like you who thrives on options and, like, creative gameplay might be more restricted in ways that might be more difficult.

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Of course. Yeah, definitely. Like, I think the reason why I went as far as I did in this season was because, number one, it was so bloody fluid. And number two, you just needed options at all times. And the more options that you are limited to, the sort of less you get to shine. And the less we get to see players actually play. Like, I want to see people go from the bottom to the top every single episode.And it's sort of hard to see that when you're so constricted with numbers and teams and all of that. I just want to see players do their own thing and play. And if they're at the bottom, I want to see them go to the top. I want to see them manipulate. And it's so much harder with less people. That's my take.That's my biggest take on this season. They can have three tribes. They can have, on this season. They can have three tribes. They can have whatever advantages they want. They can have whatever days they want. I just want to see more players play with more players. If that makes sense. Yeah. And we talk about like

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social capital. This I feel like I've been coming back to it a lot this year, but like social capital being how you spend like strategic money, it just feels like it's like a cap market. Like there's not

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going to be as much money to make in this economy,

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in this new era economy.

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But the main reason I got you on this podcast was to bully you

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about what other US GPE seasons you should watch.

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I really want to be your US GPE guide.

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It's a very important role.

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And I don't want to miss that opportunity.

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I want to be like, there's a chart and I want to be

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the one to like to guide you through what you like you're like you're like so many people

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suggest so many different things. I've had you as villains get thrown at me. Don't do that. Oh really?

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No it's I mean it's the best season but it's a returning season DATE like you need to build your way up

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there's we'll start from we'll start from early on. We'll go back.

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I have a system.

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And this is my audition to be that person for you.

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And I really think if you consider me for that role, I won't that you don't.

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All right.

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You need to tell me a proper order to watch things in. I'm happy to skip certain seasons.

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But I want a proper order that's going to really build me up to an amazing season to watch. Yeah, I do have a color-coded chart. Of course you do.

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Of course you do.

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I think you've Google Shannon Gus chart, but I think that I have a...

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This isn't good podcasting.

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It's in a folder somewhere.

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I'm going to...

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Anyway, I'll send it to you after, but there's a color-coded chart. Okay, here it is. This is a video podcast. No one else can see it. But you after, but there's a color-coded chart. And, okay, here it is.

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This is a video podcast.

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No one else can see it. But as you can see, it's color-coded.

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So these are the green ones and you'll watch.

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Yeah.

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So we're going to.

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Yeah.

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We'll have a chat about that.

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Dedicate your life to this and to me as your like survivor sense.

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That's all I'm asking.

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I'm going to put you on a payroll.

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I need 100% of your time. I need full commitment. I believe you're going to say 100% of my money. I was like to put you on a payroll. I need 100% of your time.

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I need full commitment.

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I believe you're saying 100% of my money.

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I was like, wait, no, no.

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There will be a pretty steep price because I know that you can give it.

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Like, you just want $500,000. So I think that I should get some percentage of that.

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Of course. We'll definitely discuss that outside of the podcast.

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Yeah, no more social capital.

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I want actual capital. But anyway, let's discuss this because we're getting to the end game,

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about the final seven. I want to talk through this episode for everyone and also where they stand

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going into an end game situation. And I really want to start with, I want to start with Maria PERSON, because I really feel like this was her episode and I thought she was so fire. But I feel like it's been debated because especially in the culture of this season and often in any survivor probably, it's like you make the move and then you're the head of the snake and then your head's going to get chopped off.

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So I know there's been debate around the move being executed and a big threat like Tiffany PERSON being taken out with an idol in her pocket, which is baller, but also was it too early?

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Some people think she's getting snipe next. How do you kind of see the strategy of this move for Maria PERSON? I love Maria.

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I think Maria PERSON's incredible. I think she's playing a fantastic game, and I am all for all the moves that she has done, especially in this episode, honestly. I think she is taking advantage in the right way of Q PERSON and the threat of Q and the fact that everybody wants Q PERSON out and sort of putting him to the side for another tribal and taking advantage of taking someone out like TIF. I think it's an amazing move.I'm completely on board with Maria PERSON. And honestly, she's like my number one watching it the entire season I thought Maria PERSON she's not playing too late I don't think she's playing too loud either as loud as people might think she's doing all the work back at camp doing the whispers people's ears and not really being seen as someone that's completely the head of the snake, and I think that's the best position to be in.I think she's the whisperer, and I think she's getting the moves done, and I think she's making all the right moves so far. So I'm all for Maria PERSON. I love her.

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Yeah, there's so much of what she did in this episode. I mean, I completely agree, and I do think this was the right time for her. It comes with risk.

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As she's saying, it's a big move. She's aware of that. But I think it was a risk worth taking, which we can kind of talk through, like, the outs that she has and kind of why it was worth it.

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But, I mean, there's a lot of, like, the social work she was putting in that I just, like, want to pay some attention to.

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The way that she approached Liz PERSON, I loved.

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A lot of the wording, like, firstly, to be like, we still hate Q.

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Like, specific stuff around, like, Ben PERSON really hates Q. Apparently they have, like, a really bad relationship, Ben PERSON and Q. So you don't have to worry. Like, we're not, like, sneaking Q PERSON in, which is kind of a lie. Like, I think Maria is trying to, like, really cultivate something with Q PERSON, but still being, like, he's still on the outs.

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He's just a means to an end, which is actually really very much what Liz PERSON is in the situation. I felt kind of, like, putting her at ease in that way, essential. Ben, it's like, this is actually really very much what Liz PERSON is in this situation. I felt kind of like putting

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that, putting her at ease in that way, essential. Then it's like, this is our only chance.

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So makes it seem like, urgent, we got to do it. And then the best one, she's like, you're the keyholder.

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Even though Liz will later say, like, this is a move for Maria PERSON's resume, I think giving her that

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agency, I really loved. And also her approach with Q PERSON, the only person to come and talk

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to Q PERSON after to see him as an opportunity and not just a liability or something to just get rid of,

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I think was incredible. And then she like checks that he's okay. She's like, do you want to be

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alone or do you want to talk? Again, really great approach. And then even later, when she comes to him with the Tiffany move, we hear him say Tiffany first. If that's how it happened,

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she really leads him there. She doesn't give him too much information. She gives him quite a bit of power and agency. And like if you want to like take out Tiffany PERSON, there are options once he says

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her name. So I think she gives him that agency. And also just look how much it mattered to him as we

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see in the reward picks to have someone come to him and treat him like he was still worthwhile.

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And that, that's the social capital that we talk about.

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And you know what?

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And she's hearing both sides of it as well.

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So when she was on that reward, not only was he, you know, in, you know, in it with Q PERSON,

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she was also hearing the other side of the whole Kenzie Tiff wanting to get Q PERSON out.

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So her ear is to the ground. And she's, and I think, you know, what, communication matters in a game of Survivor WORK_OF_ART. And the way she's communicating is absolutely flawless. She's not making it seem like these are her moves. She's giving people their own, you know, say in what they want to do and wording it the right way. She's almost playing like a Kirby game in terms of giving people their own options andbeing quite subtle about it, but also being a very dominant player. The fact that she was the only

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one to check up on Q is like that's, that's the first thing you're doing in survival. If someone is on the outside and is clearly on the outside, you check up on them, You have a conversation with them because you never know when you might need them. And in that case, she needed Q PERSON to pretty much have control. Right now, the only person that Q is looking at as a possible ally is Maria PERSON, because she's the only one that went up to him and spoke to him. And we saw how much that meant to him by him inviting her tothe reward. So I think she's in such a great position at the moment, having Charlie PERSON as well on the side, you know, discussing it with Charlie PERSON, having almost like a right or die. And that

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exactly like you said, speaking to Lisa PERSON and giving her the option and making her seem like

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she's the keyholder. In other words, she's the one that's going to have this on her resume. And also her calm demeanour, she really knows how to communicate. And that is so huge in Survivor WORK_OF_ART. Like there is a very big difference in communication with, for example, Maria compared to, you know, Q or Venus PERSON. She really knows how to extinguish a fire, which is huge in Survivor WORK_OF_ART. And I just think, you know, she's, at the moment,she's in such a good position with the way she's playing.

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Yeah, communication is such an essential one. It's one of my favorite things to do in kind of, like, analyzing the game, because it can be really subtle, but as someone who works in communication, like, I just love to do it. it and we do it in both directions i know in your season there was a lot of

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here's how you don't communicate with like nathan and peter that was like i'll carry you and like

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where's the onus of the language he puts so much of the onus on the other person and it's so considered and it's not an accident and if it were an accident she'd be a great innate communicator but i think that she's very considered in the way that she's approaching people the fact that she takes the initiative to do that or even the fact that she's

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chosen to speak to lids might speak to part of that social connection anyway so you know as you said she has her ear on the ground she and charlie have been in on every plan we've seen that continues to be true it gives them options with which they make good decisions it's very very hard to criticize

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anything any decision really that they've made throughout, even with that immense amount of

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power. And I think for Maria as well, why this move is so essential. And one of the reasons I think the risk is worth taking is, does she have Q now? Because that is massive. He writes Yanu no more on the voting parchment. He doesn't have anyone else. He's super divided clearly from Liz, everyone else, Ben PERSON. But if she alone has him, that is crucial, or should I say Qshul PERSON, because I'm making every coupon now. He could be the number. Like if she can

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get through seven, if we can talk about Charlie, but with like Ben and Charlie and Q PERSON, and even get through to six with Q, that is such essential power to have basically an extra vote.

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So losing him here compared to using him to take out a threat would be very unfortunate for her because like she earned that. It's kind of how I felt about Kenzie last week who lost Hunter PERSON, who she'd picked up and used her social game.

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And now even we see at the beginning of the episode, she's like, well, now I don't know that we have the numbers because I've lost a really important number to me and I didn't like that for Kenzie PERSON. Whereas for Marie PERSON, I feel like she fights for the capital that she's accrued, or should I say, a cued, please stop me.

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I'm talking a different language, it's cue language and it's just coupons and

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it's just keep on different.

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But yeah, so she fights for that. I it's just coupons. I need to stop. But yeah, so she fights for that. I think that was great.

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And I'm so sorry. I love it. I'm loving these little coupons.

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I can't.

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That's so good.

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It's so good.

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But yeah, no, I'm fully on board with Maria PERSON.

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I'm obsessed with Maria PERSON and her gameplay.

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Look, I think the biggest thing is her subtlety. Her ability

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to make big

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moves while being subtle

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is such an important characteristic to have in the game of survival and not being loud in front of all these loud people. Keep in mind, like her number two, Charlie PERSON, isslowly starting to be seen as a challenge beast as well so she's hiding behind that as well um she's hiding behind you know venus being very outspoken compared to herself where she's not seen as someone that's outspoken or kensi who has also seen as someone that's very bubbly um that is look there's a difference between seen as a big social player and being a big social player. And I think Kenzie PERSON is seen as a big social player.I think Ben PERSON could also possibly be seen as a big social player. But there's a difference in terms of being seen as a big social player and actually playing a proper social game and i think that's what distinguishes maria compared to the rest of the tribe um there's cue PERSON which obviously isn't in the best position there's liz who just had a big blowout and is possibly rubbing some people the wrong way i genuinely think maria is in the best spot at the moment and could possibly still be in the best spot in the upcoming weeks.It is Ryan PERSON here and I have a question for you.

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Void. We're prohibited by law. See terms and conditions 18 plus. Yeah, is that how you look at next week?

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Because, again, like obviously people are talking about now she's made herself a target. Like it was clearly her move. People will talk about it. Someone like Liz PERSON could even lead some sort of charge against her. So that subtlety may kind of meet its end because this move has been very visible. Even last week, she was like, okay, well, Kenzie PERSON will get that credit. But then we'll be popping her head out. Now, she's one who's popped her head out.So do you think it's that subtlety that will protect her?

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Or how do you kind of see her navigating that possible threat i think it's about how she um manages uh post-tribles um that same night making dropping comments to liz making sure that she knows maybe that was her move or she was the key and it's because of her you know maybe tiff got out. To drop these subtle comments right after tribal, I think is super, super, super important. Going up to, you know, a couple of people having conversations as to why, you know, they helped in that situation. Like, I would have went straight to Liz PERSON and be like, look, we did this because of you. If itwasn't for you, we couldn't have got this time. I would have went straight to Q. It would have been like Q PERSON,

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who made the right choice working with us for getting tip out. You know, if it wasn't for you, we couldn't get this time. I would have reinforced the fact that this was all you and was nothing got to do with me.

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Remember the conversation we had on the beach? It was because of you. This happened. I would have definitely reinforced that. And if she does do that, maybe she can continue this subtlety that can work in her favor. Yeah, I mean, I think Q PERSON, that's her best

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chance of doing that. No, um, because I'm genuinely, I'm talking, I'm just talking to them coming.

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I'm talking the Q language. It's just, it's language, but spelt with a Q instead of all the A's for some reason.

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So, yeah, I mean, I think Q PERSON, like, I don't know how real he was being at tribal council.

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I thought he actually did, he blindsided Tiffany PERSON really well.

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Like, the facade was good, but he was saying, I need people to jump on my plan. That's not necessarily how he feels, but I definitely feel like he's the type of personality and the way she approached him where he could believe that the most. So I kind of feel like she really does have Q from a social standpoint. And then like Ben PERSON for me is the big one. Because if they have just slowed up a majority, if Ben is Seeger Strong and Charlie PERSON, especially as we've seen through the season, can retain Ben. Are they four of seven? Because then even in this like kind

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of not as much alliance game, they could have a four of seven? Because then even in this like kind of not as much alliance game, they could have a four of seven that can see them through that I think would be

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incredible. So, you know, I think her and Charlie PERSON doing it together for me compared to like Kenzie, I mean, it was her number one ally, completely different social standing. But even in terms of like just popping your head out as a concept, at least they're doing it together. She is hiding behind Charlie PERSON to a large degree. I do agree with that. I think that they protect each other in different ways.

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They're around later. Obviously, they have three rounds now till fire. Two of them to wear it.

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Q PERSON is kept in, hopefully as a number. And if not, if it looks like they're really, you know, on the bottom and someone like Ben PERSON has flipped, maybe Q PERSON, again, is like just, you know, just a red flag to a bull as a last resort kind of target is there as well.So I do think that they have important outs that did allow them to make a big move, get the

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resume point, improve their, I think, structural standing and keep Q PERSON around, which I just

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think was so important for her. So, you know, you wouldn't necessarily look at a big move this early in the new era, maybe. But I think that, you know, I often say early rather than late. And I think that there's probably some, you know, context around that as well for, you know, if you miss the opportunity, what does it look like?

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But for them, considering that Tiffany PERSON had an idol, you want to go a little early.

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Losing Q PERSON especially is so bad.

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Like, I see it. And it's a two-part move for me because it necessitates consolidating with Ben and Q PERSON later

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and, like, following it through to next week. But I think that it was worth it for me. And now they need to execute on, like, the next part of that, if that makes sense.

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Exactly right. Yeah. Now, I think I think the Tiff move was perfect timing uh definitely uh also you know with kensi PERSON also tossing up whether or not she wasn't to to gun for tiff i think it it would be the least backlash possible at that perfect time so i think getting tiff out at that time with your idol is just spot on.

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Yeah. And Tiffany PERSON said in ex-interviews she was coming for them. She was actually working.

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She said that actually Charlie had said to her that, oh, next time we can use the idol against Maria PERSON,

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which I assume was a ruse because I'm not even going to do it. I'm not. I know that it's got a you sound, but I'm not going to do it.

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But then the point where I was that annoying people, and I think that point was like way back

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there.

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No, but I feel like, so Charlie PERSON was a big part of this because apparently it feels like a lot of the blind side was on Charlie PERSON. Tiffany seemed to have a closer relationship by what she said with Charlie PERSON. He was talking to her about using the idol Maria PERSON next time, which again, sure it was a

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gambit because falsehood, because she, you know, she was going home.

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But she was coming for them.

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She even said she sees them as the biggest jury threats, which in itself is interesting. She said especially Charlie PERSON.

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So that shows maybe how they're being perceived from someone who is now on the jury. And yeah, she was coming for especially Maria PERSON. They've had this weird divide. Tiffany PERSON said her name way back when. That's what started all of the issues. Maria PERSON has been kind of looking at it in response since. So I think especially for Maria

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and for both of them, Tiffany PERSON, who was a power player with an idol with connections, was looking at them soon. And yeah, when you have an idol, I think it does push you to need to go possibly a little bit early, especially when there's so much to gain here. So I can't, I can't really complain about the timing, but I just need them to kind of follow it through into how they, you know, protect against

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that next week. Yeah, definitely, definitely. It makes you think how exactly, you know, the next few

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episodes is going to play it out? Like, there's so many different factors that could happen. Like, you know, is Kent PERSON's going to be really pissed off that, you know, maybe it wasn't her move

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or she wasn't really as involved or how is Q PERSON? Is Q and Kenzie going to, you know, is Kent going to be really pissed off that, you know, maybe he wasn't her move or she wasn't really as involved or how is Q? Is Q and Kenzie PERSON going to, you know, get back together? Is, you know, Charlie going to turn against Maria PERSON? Like, there's so many different possibilities.

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And I think, you know, some players are in better positions than others. I think, you know, for example, Venus PERSON, she isn't as big of a threat as she was, you know, a couple of episodes ago. So she's really playing low, which is possibly a great thing. You know, Ben PERSON as well isn't really being considered in a lot of the conversations in terms of, like, voting him out.So it's going to be really interesting to see how these next few episodes play out.

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Yeah, I thought it was kind of upsetting for Venus PERSON, a couple of things that she, I mean, she didn't get any confessions in this episode. Yeah.

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They didn't think that they wanted to use her as a swing vote, which speaks again, a big

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lack of social capital, which I think was correct, because I do think Venus PERSON is a more

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aggressive player than Liz PERSON, and I do think she would have more of a chance of blowing it up, which Liz will talk about, I think should have done and doesn't do. So I think Charlie PERSON specifically really picks the right target there. Also upsetting for Venus PERSON, there was a secret scene where she lights

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herself on fire and it didn't even make the edit. So that, yeah, she lit herself on fire,

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which Survivor WORK_OF_ART winners have done in the past, but...

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But what do you need to lit herself on fire? She was sleeping near the fire and seems to have like rolled into it and then she was on fire.

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Which is, it's sad in itself, but if you lie yourself on fire, I think you were like, this should be on television.

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Like I've burned to.

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I'd be so close.

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I'd be like, where the hell is my editor of the fire?

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What the hell?

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Oh my God.

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That's awesome.

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Also very tragic at the same time.

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He's okay.

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She burnt Mariah's jacket.

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If anyone wants to watch that secret scene on CBS ORG YouTube with a VPN, that's how I watch it.

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But Charlie, I want to talk about Charlie, because we talk about how he did choose Liz PERSON as a swing, which worked.

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You know, they could have gone in 4-4 like you guys did every week.

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You with your plurality, even splits every week.

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No, but I like getting a fifth.

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I like having a majority and not having a go to a possible stalemate.

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Call me old fashion.

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And he chooses Liz PERSON.

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I think that's quite crucial.

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He protects for the second week in a row with the immunity win,

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where the target's going to come second.

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So he's been, where do you see Charlie PERSON in this?

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I think Charlie PERSON is in a really good position as well. Socially, I think he's in a good position. The only problem is people are going to start seeing him as a physical threat. Whenever you see anyone win two immunity challenges in a row,

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immediately all eyes are on you and honestly less on Q.

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Like it's so easy to assume someone like Q PERSON is just going to be a challenge beast because of obviously how he looks. But, you know, once people start to realize, okay, these challenges are going to be less about how amazingly physical you are and just how strong-minded you are at the end of the day. And people are going to start seeing charlie as a threat in challenges so i think charlie really needs to um try and focus more on his social game andminimizing his threat i think that's his only issue at the moment trying to minimize his threat as a physical threat um but i think he's in a good position. I think he's a very strategic player, which is great. But yeah, I think his only issue is the whole physical side of things. People are going to start seeing him as a physical threat, and that is he needs to figure out a way to sort of minimize that and get people distracted onto other things that aren't physical. So focus more on, you know, possibly, you know,Ken's social game. He needs to pretty much deflect and distract people that he, him being a physical threat is the least of people's worries, which is going to be hard. So he really needs to, there's a lot of threat management he needs to work on.

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Yeah. So you see him as like properly a shield for Maria PERSON, even with her making this move, like he would still be that main target of the pair.

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I really do. I really do. When you're, I feel like when you're on the island and the second you see someone start to win a few challenges, you seriously start to consider them at the threat over, you know,maybe a strategic threat. Because, for example, if they're going to, if they're looking at Maria and Charlie PERSON, for example, the first pick for me would always be Charlie PERSON because he's going to keep winning immunities. Whereas in Maria PERSON, I'll be like, oh, no, she's not going to win next immunity. So we'll just vote her out next time. But Charlie, we've got no idea how many times he's going to keep winning immunities. Whereas in Maria PERSON, I'll be like, oh, no, she's not going to win next immunity. So we'll just vote her out next time. But Charlie PERSON, we've got no idea how many times he's going to win.So whenever he doesn't win, we need to strike as soon as possible. So that's why I see maybe the physical threats as the first pick compared to a strategic threat or a social threat. So that's why I think maybe Maria PERSON is hiding behind Charlie and Charlie PERSON will be more of a shield in the short term.

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Yeah, Maria PERSON won at the split tribal over the whole group. Yeah, and she won that reward as well. But we even see like with Q PERSON, I know that, you know, it fed into what they wanted to do anyway, but they were like, oh, he's won one reward. That's even more of a reason to get rid of him.And it's hard for Charlie PERSON because he couldn't afford to lose those challenges because even if he was like, okay, let the target drop out and then I can go next. That means he'd have to win. Like they were second. So he really had to protect those immunities and now he has put himself out in front. But I do think for Charlie, Ben PERSON is so essential. And Ben PERSON, he's a benchel. Now I'm just, I can't, my brain is broken. But he's like, I love that you're humoring me as if this is good. It's not.

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I love me. I love my hands.

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It's bad. But Ben PERSON to me is actually the key to everything. And if Charlie can retain Ben again, they're that four of seven. And I think that's it. Let's have an alliance on Survivor WORK_OF_ART.

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Let's not target our friends, but our number one.

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And I do think Ben PERSON is key to that. I mean, and I think Ben actually should flip on them, but for Maria and Charlie PERSON, if they have Q and Ben PERSON, they're good to go.

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And then for them, perfect world, dream scenario, this is it. I don't know if they can do it. But if you can take Alkenzi at 7, maintain that majority through, get to a point where now they're at 6th, they have the agency to maybe turn on each other, have the agency to maybe turn on someone like Ben PERSON, who might be more of a threat than like a Venus, a Liz or a Q, and take it down the two of them, or just keep it rolling,take out, you know, like a Liz PERSON and turn on each other later, go to the end together. It puts them in such a power position because Kenzie has that connection to Ben PERSON, which is why this is hard,

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but also essential. She is, you know,

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a social threat. I think she's more of a jury threat than the others. I would be taking Alkenzy if I can. If they couldn't, if they can't take Alkenzy, because Ben PERSON won't do it, I think you appeal to Ben, take out someone like a Liz PERSON, which isn't, you know, I think as big a win, but just maintaining that majority for them, I think is really, really key. I just don't think Ben should do that. But if they can really rely on like Ben's loyalty, especially Charlie PERSON, like retaining Ben as he's had that relationship with Ben that we've seen all season, that to me is like the game

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for Charlie Maria. So I think next week is really, really important because are they going to

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win out against someone like Kenzie? Are they going to have to make like a half move that still maintains their power on someone like Liz or does Kenzie PERSON win out? And that could be, I think, the difference between who wins the game between those kind of

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two power factions. I think if Kenzie PERSON makes it any further, she is going to be a huge, huge threat for, like, as a jury threat especially. I think, yeah, everyone loves Kenzie PERSON. And if she doesn't get out in the next in the next episode or two then i think she's got a very clear path to to the end um she's a very and like peopleunderestimate how much likeability is is like how important it is in the game which is why like for example when we see liz liz's PERSON little scene, like that's such a hard thing to do. So if you end up, you know, going off your chops like that, it's going to be so easy for people to just start throwing your name out. So to have the ability for everyone to just like you or at least not have any hate or animosity towards you is a big thing as well. So I think if Kenzie does make it through in the next episode or two, she also has a very, very clear path to the end. So she's a massive threat.

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But yeah, I think it all does depends on Ben PERSON's loyalty.

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And I think Ben PERSON, yeah.

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And I think Ben PERSON is a loyal player.

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I think he does seem like someone that would be wood compared to the rest.

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So I don't know. I'm just going to have to see.

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Yeah, but loyal to who? Because he has had that really important connection with Kenzie PERSON when he had the panic attack and we've seen their social game. He chooses Figer PERSON here. He obviously doesn't inform Kenzie PERSON of the plan, but he really seemed to like want to get the idol out.He probably could make himself feel a little better about the fact that Kenzie PERSON had just suggested it last time. So I don't know if he was fully not choosing Kenzie PERSON, but it was definitely a win for Siga PERSON to push the threat of that idol and to have him be with them and to kind of, you know, enact this move.

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So I don't necessarily know which way he will go. I think he should be turning next week.

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Like I think this is so important because he,

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where Ben PERSON kind of stands or where I see him stand from a jury perspective is I don't think he beats Kenzie or Charlie and Maria PERSON.

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And Tiffany also saw Charlie Maria PERSON, like out in front,

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Charlie maybe first from a jury perspective. Okay, so then you need them gone before fire. Because know at Final Four EVENT like they're auto making fire right? Like that's a part of the new era.

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So yeah, and that's hard to control.

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So that's the three he needs out and I don't think he can let Maria and Charlie get to a six with Q.

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So Maria or Charlie PERSON need to go next for him.

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So he needs to come back, make Kenzie PERSON feel better. She doesn't have a lot of options. She's really relying on him. And lead a coup against Charlie or Maria PERSON, I think.

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And then take out the other one and then

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take out Kenzie PERSON.

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And then this is all quite delicate. And it relies on

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people not winning immunity who have all technically

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want immunities in the past in Charlie PERSON, Maria and Kenzie. So it is quite delicate, but I think he has power to do it next week and I think he needs to start doing it. I wouldn't have blown the plan up here. And we'll talk about other people who maybe should have blown it up because everyone obviously had power to do that. But I think going with it here is okay and blowing it up would have been a lot. But it's okay because he has been the agency to be truly likewhat should be a swing vote in seven next week. And he should have the connection with Kenzie and the power to take out these big threats in the other Seegers ORG. And I think that he should do it. So I'm higher on his move this week if he follows through with then turning on it next week because I think that that's, again, kind of, kind of dice, he kind of delicate in terms of the numbers

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and you really need to like take the shot every single time until four for him to win. But he, I think, also would be in a position where that would make sense. We often do see the big threats all start to fall one by one by one at the stage of the game.

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So I think he can do it. I think he needs to know that he should do it. I hope he knows that. And then I think he needs to start it now. But, yeah, getting through this now, getting out Tiffany, who he also needed to get out before the final four, I think works. And then you move forward with a four that you can work with through the game and the take out.

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So let me ask you this. Who do you think is Ben PERSON's best option to take out next?

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I think Charlie PERSON, if he can, as you said, from a physical standpoint.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, wow.

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Okay.

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Or Maria PERSON because then it breaks up Maria and Q.

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Yeah.

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Either way, honestly, they're both so threatening that like it would be a big win.

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Either way.

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Yeah, definitely.

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But no one else can go home for him.

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Like, it has to be one of those two.

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Yeah, definitely.

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100%. I think for him, it, it has to be one of those two. Yeah, definitely. 100%.

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I think for him, it'll be better to possibly take out Maria PERSON. And again, because he, okay, so he needs to understand what sort of player he is compared to, for example, Charlie and Maria PERSON.

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Who he's most similar to.

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If he's more similar to Maria PERSON, he needs to take out Maria. If he's more similar to Maria, he needs to take out Maria. If he's more similar to Charlie PERSON, he needs to take out Charlie PERSON. The only reason why is because he can take their place. So if he takes out Maria PERSON, because he's just as socialand he's just as subtle and he can do that and he can replace Maria PERSON's whispers that Maria PERSON's currently dominating in, he needs to take out Maria PERSON. If he's just as the same place, if he could be just as physical as Charlie PERSON, and he can takehis place in terms of winning immunities, he needs to take out Charlie PERSON. So I think he comes down to who he's more similar to and who he can actually replace in the game. That's what it comes down to from May I least.

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Yeah, I think that as we talk about it, I actually think Maria PERSON would be a good option because

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of the Q connection, because I do think that it's more like a social thing for him and also because he is closer to Charlie PERSON. I mean, we had that secret scene a couple of weeks ago where he and Maria had like a pretty bad interaction and Charlie PERSON came and, you know, comforted him and we've seen that music connection from the beginning. So Charlie PERSON would be very upset. I think if he was blindsided, Maria was taken out. But it still might give Ben PERSON some other option. Even if he wants Charlie PERSON gone next, you know, in case Charlie wins immunity,like better to have the closer connection in the game. So, you know, and then you just have to cover physically. So the Charlie is now not the challenge Bisa PERSON wins every immunity, which I think I'd probably rely on a little more. So I actually do think for him, as much as I'm saying, Maria PERSON made such a good move.

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And, you know, she's going to, like, hopefully get through it. I do think it behooves a majority of people next week to take out Maria PERSON specifically for a bunch of different reasons.

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But it's about how well is she playing to know that, to protect that, to use Q.

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And for Charlie especially to use Ben PERSON so that they make, someone like Ben makes move out of his best interest to stay with them when I don't think that he should.

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So how optimal will people be?

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Because often in Survivor WORK_OF_ART, they are not. It's going to come down to that.

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It also comes down to how well can bend deflate a situation if he does choose, you know, Charlie or Maria PERSON. Like that, again, plays a huge part in Survivor WORK_OF_ART. If he's going to make a big move like that, he has to be prepared to be able to explain himself, to be able to manage his threat levels, to be able to make sure not to piss anyone off that could be his ticket to the end. So yeah, it comes down to so many differentfactors, which is why I love this game so much. Yeah, a couple of things I want to talk about.

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So in terms of blowing up the game, let's talk about this for Liz PERSON, because a couple of things have been shared around, and I want your take on two kind of plans that I've seen. I know Rob PERSON was talking about this, I think, on the podcast, I saw OMA tweet, the first one being, should Liz PERSON, who's been given the key,she's supposedly the key holder, should she stand up after the votes were red and be like, not red, sorry, that would be stupid. Tiffany PERSON would be walking out the door. A little bit earlier, Liz PERSON. After the votes are cast, and it's time to play your idol,should she stand up and say, Tiffany PERSON, play the idol. She flushes the idol, Q PERSON goes out of the game, she gets this big move on her resume, and it's all her and it's not Maria PERSON's move. What do you think of that as a concept?

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I think it's good on paper, but I think...

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It's fun. It's so fun.

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It's amazing. I love to say it's like that. But I think she needs to lay a bit lower. I really do. After everything that has happened, if she does that, everyone is going to be like, okay,Liz PERSON is officially the most explosive player and the most destructive player. And who knows what's going to happen next? If we do want to work with Liz PERSON and it's going to cut all ties to all potential allies for Liz. So I don't think that it would have been a great move in the moment.

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But I think for after in terms of gaining trust, gaining allies, I don't think it's the best move. No. I don't think, I don't think it's the best move. No. I don't think she

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shouldn't have done that. I think for me, the big sticking point on that is that I think,

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even with a move like that, Liz PERSON is still, she said this. Like, she's running up here on the way that she's perceived. Like, as we saw, like, someone like Raymond, he made that one big move and he got ownership over it. But it was like one big move and he was still fighting the perception that I think might have made a final tribal council difficult in some iterations for him regardless. So you can't just make the one move

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and have it necessarily change your whole perception. I mean, we have seen winners. Like Marianne made a great move, but I think was building kind of on a perception and got herself through

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to a favorable final travel counsel where like Mike didn't do as well. And then she, you know,

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really pulled it out as well so

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it's how you kind of build on something for me it's not just like doing one thing um and so it would

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but it would it would put her out there it might isolate her and definitely might make that that road to

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the end harder but i still think she wants to sit next to cue and venus at the end to me that's the

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three that all three of them should be looking at um in you know giving any of them the best

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chance of winning Q PERSON, Liz and Venus PERSON. So I think that voting out someone like Q PERSON, even with a big move like this,

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could be a game losing move for Liz PERSON, because I don't know that there are two other people she can beat in a final three. Can she beat Ben PERSON?

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Maybe with the big move,

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maybe you're relying on that?

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Can she beat Kenzie who so liked or Charlie and Maria PERSON? Like, I don't think so. And I actually think this makes last week where she was attempting to vote a queue look even worse in retrospect. Like you actually really need that guy and you can't just be emotionally against him. Like that's one of, you have to be able to beat two people at the final tribal council at every time and she at any time. And she seems very aware of the perception of her that that's difficult.That's why she made the Tevin PERSON move so that she could start getting credit and have people want to vote for it at the end. She seems to know that she's running uphill with that. So I wouldn't take out Q PERSON, especially because then you're taking out as well,

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someone who could be like a shield, a target, an instigator. You've like, you've kept all three

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of the seekers together who are really powerful. And you've kept Tiffany and Kenzie PERSON together.

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She doesn't even know Kenzie was turning on Tiffany PERSON. You've empowered a bunch of groups and

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taken out someone who is like

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possibly a goat for you, hopefully, best case scenario.

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And also like a shield and an instigator.

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That feels like a loss for me. Yeah, 100%. Couldn't agree more. I think, yeah, when it comes to Q PERSON, Q, Q has a very hard path, I think, going down. I really do. I think Q probably maybe has one of the hardest parts out of all of them.But I think, yeah, no, if she got Q out, that's just one less person to hide behind. And in a game that's gone so far at that point, you just can't have something like that. So, yeah, no, I think she made the right decision. Or I think she made the right decision voting for voting the way she did. I don't know that this was a decision.

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Like, is she thinking of these moves, especially in her like hunger adult state?

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I don't know. But I do think had she thought of, if she's going through all these permutations, like, good on her.

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If she's just not thinking it through that I'm, you know, less eye on because I feel like you want to be able to think about what you're doing and how you're not splitting the majority on their terms if there's a better option. And I do think there was a better option. And Nick I, I Danza PERSON tweeted this and I love it. And I think it's a game winning move. I don't, I don't think that Liz PERSON needs to be, needs to kind of hide in the shadows. I feel like her issue was that she doesn't have respect. So you do want to get respect, but in a way that makes sense.

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You don't just turn on people to turn on them. This season feels like it's not understanding that. You want to turn where it makes sense. And Nick PERSON tweeted this.

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Could you have turned it around on Maria PERSON? This is how it would work and this is what it would do. You go to Tiffany and Kenzie PERSON, you're like, this is what's happening. Play the idol and the three of us are going to win on what would be then like a 3-1 vote. Leave Venus PERSON out of it because you don't need her. And that seems to be the M.O of the season sometimes.

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And then what you've done is you've isolated Charlie PERSON, you've isolated Q.

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You've kept the chaos and division of Q. So now things are chaotic. You still have big threats in front of you, Charlie, Tiffany PERSON and Kendi PERSON, and it's very much your move. Like, you're not empowering big whole groups together.

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Siga have been cracked. I love that. Again, she doesn't know that there's been this division

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in Tiffany and Kennedy ORG. So you are empowering that group. But in cracking the SIGAs and also just how fun it is and then owning it, but still having some runway. Like, I think this is a game-winning move possibly. Yeah, it really, really is. I think that's the Like, I think this is a game-winning move possibly.

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Yeah, it really, really is. I think that's the perfect move. I think that's a perfect move because he does break them up, like you said. I think it builds a lot more trust with, you know, Tiffany and Kenti PERSON as well.

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I actually do that because, look, at the end of the day, she needs, she's not,

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I think she's been seen as such a

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reckless player that she really needs to start gaining a lot more trust than what she currently has um so

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i think that move would have been chef's kiss and that would have really raised her up in the ranks but at the same time not being seen as much of the threat, you know, the current players. It depends how she would have communicated that. It's as simple as that. If she would have went to Kenzie and Tiff and Q PERSON, for example, and said, okay, here where the votes are going,I really went to work with you guys moving forward. I think we could be a strong four. X, Y, said if she worded her the proper way as well, I think it could have been seen as, you know, not as big of a move in front of everybody else and she still could have hit in the shadows.It all comes down to communication at the end of the day. You can make a big move, a lot of the smallest move, and I think she could have done that, and I reckon that would have been such a good play.

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But, yeah, it's always the worst.

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I think I would rely on just the three because she

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doesn't actually need a majority it does mean you're coming back with a minority into seven but

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you've also just kept in so much chaos like i don't think that the other four are against you because

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the other four are like charlie ben without any connection to q with maria gone

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q and venus like i feel like you can kind of rely on that being just like an absolute cluster

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that you can move forward with it and just have at that point other threats be really,

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really vulnerable.

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But if she wanted to consolidate, I'd probably go to like a Venus PERSON.

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The issue was going to like these chaotic players, as we saw with them coming to Liz PERSON,

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like always has the risk of them blowing it up.

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So you kind of want to keep it tight.

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But yeah, the fact that she could have done this

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and then she didn't, like I think they obviously chose the right target who wasn't gonna think to do that or who's not the type of player to do that, but she really could have and she could have done it in a, it would just would have been a really good time as well.Like that would have been truly one of the better moves

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I've ever seen. It would have been perfect timing.

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Yeah.

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Oh, damn it.

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So always the what ifs?

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What if? What if? What if? Yeah. Oh, damn it. So we's the what ifs. What if, what if Cody and Ferris made it to final two?

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What if?

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We'll never.

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And this is a really fun part of podcasting as well.

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Because I feel like this, like the Maria PERSON's move was so great in and of itself.

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But then you look at like the numbers Maria PERSON has to use me. Like, what if they turn it back on them? Like this was a big thing. Like Jesse's Cody move. It's like, then what if they do the blind side on the blind side on the blind side?

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And that does take, to be fair, us all having eaten the burgers that the show influenced us to get.

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And having, I would say sleep, but my cat has been keeping me up a lot.

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But then, you know, you think it through.

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But for Liz PERSON, she did not have necessarily the resources to be able to think it through.

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Because let's get to the drama of the episode.

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Because you did not take her to Applebee's ORG um what are your thoughts on this because this has been a

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highly debated topic it's kind of like there's been topics of like accessibility

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Liz PERSON playing how much should she be kind of like taken care of by the show how much is this on

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cue was she being entitled give me the take on Applebee's ORG gate I guess is the name of the drama.

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Yeah, this was really interesting for me to watch because if I didn't go on Survivor WORK_OF_ART, I would have probably laughed my head off watching this scene and being like, this is incredible.

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But you still did a little bit.

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Yeah, I did. I did. If I was there, I could just imagine to zoom in on my

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reaction when she goes up. I can imagine too. Yeah. Um, honestly watching it, I really,

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really felt for her. I really did. Like, I felt so bad for her and I was almost like,

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I don't know, I was almost looking down on Q PERSON in a way, being like, just take, just take her.

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Just take the.

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It felt like, and he, he took Tiff and Kenzie PERSON.

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It's like Tiff PERSON.

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He took Tiff PERSON after what happened.

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Like, we've all seen what happens when you try to take your enemies to lunch and try to, like,

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resolve things, especially like when when when that blow up happened that

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tribal it was just like come on like number one if you take liz she will be forever grateful number

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one easily number two just like just take the bloody girl just take her like

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eaten like i think it would have given him a lot more power in the game,

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especially in a time where he needed numbers. I think if you took Liz PERSON, she would have done anything he would have said. So, yeah, no, I think I kind of disagree with his choice because we've all seen what happens when, you know, you take your enemies. Most of the times it doesn't work. Sometimes he does, but most of the time, I feel like it really doesn't.And I think Liz PERSON's reaction was completely justified. I felt for her.

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Really?

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Yeah, I do, honestly, because I wanted to do the exact same thing when I wanted to do the exact same thing at the option.

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People asked.

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Yeah.

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I would definitely do the exact same thing.

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But you didn't.

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I wanted to do it.

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Yeah, it was really, really hard.

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But look, it's emotional.

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And I think a lot of people realize it is such a hard game,

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especially when you're starving like that.

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And you can't even have coconuts. Like, what is she actually eating? Nothing.

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I understand that.

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She had the sandwiches at the split tribal FAC, which was, I'm trying to work out how many days ago there was. That was, what, three actually eating? Nothing. Can I understand that? She had the sandwiches at the split tribal,

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which was, I'm trying to work out how many days ago there was. That was, what, three episodes ago? Like, I'm not meaning to be dismissive, but it probably was like four-ish days ago, four or five days.

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Okay, so she legitimately hasn't eaten anything in four days. Is that, like, am I understanding that correctly?

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Seems as such, because they haven't had rice. They didn't step out for the rice. She did.

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Q PERSON did, actually, ironically. And so it seems like they're probably out of rice and i mean i can look up

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what day that was but yeah but i can't think of anything she would have eaten since that day

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like ask yourself like if you haven't eaten a meal in a couple of hours we're already hungry so

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i think like look she she could have, just tried to ease back on it.

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But, like, I think everyone watching her, like, on the tribe, there would have been like, okay, like, we get it.

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The poor girl hasn't eaten a couple of days. If you want to scream for the next 30 seconds, by all means it's justified. I get it, whatever. So maybe she shouldn't have went as hard as she did on cue. But I think her emotions are justified. I really, really felt for her watching what she got also giggled here and there, but all in all.And also Venus PERSON stepping back from about too long.

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That was incredible.

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I loved that so much.

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And the immediate mood change of, okay, sorry, back to your usual program of like,

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oh, that was just amazing. So, yeah, I felt for her it really, I could definitely relate to something

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like that, obviously not to her level of not eating for that long. But I think, you know, the game's emotional. You haven't had food in, what, four days. You're tired. Yeah, like,

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you also have like an emotional connection to Applebee's ORG, I guess.

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So, yeah, I think it's justified.

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I think people need to go be easier on that.

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Well, okay, so the soda vote where she ate the sandwiches was day 14.

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This is day 18. I mean, I feel like the emotional connection to Applebee ORG, that's not anything. Listen to the sentence. Yeah, yeah, sure. No, like, that's not anything. Listen to the sentence. Promotional connection.

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Yeah, yeah, sure.

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No, like, that's not, I, I, this is my take, and I do, I think I disagree on large parts because I feel like I, I think that she can be, I think she's entitled to be upset. That's a hard situation. And I do think that the game should be operating with more accessibility in this way. Like, they allow people to have, you know, kind of basic medication. There was some reward she couldn't eat, like the fish reward because of her allergies.

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That to me is crazy. Like, she and her tribe have won this reward. You will always accommodate her surely in a reward. I think that goes without saying. And I honestly think this might be a little bit, like, survivors gone so soft. I think they could accommodate her at camp with like a small amount of something

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she could eat that's like commensurate with the coconuts.

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Like I think that that's pretty minor accessibility with someone who has like medical food intolerances. I say this as someone who was married to someone with pretty large food intolerances. One of the major reasons he won't go on Survivor WORK_OF_ART, the other one being that I'm like, you can't go and survive and then I can't cover it. That's so on fair.

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So I do think that she can be upset. I just, I think that she shouldn't, it was unfair to put it on Q. So much was put on Q. Her not being in the split foot was put on Q.

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Yeah. Still don't understand why. I feel like maybe that was just, they thought she was too close to Hunter PERSON.

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I don't think that's a cute thing. I think that the, the, how much she was putting on Q PERSON to me was a little entitled. I don't think that he owes cute thing. I think that how much she was putting on Q to me was a little entitled.

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I don't think that he owes her anything.

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She had just voted for him the only person who actually thought he was going home.

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Everyone else was in the split vote.

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The, or Hunter PERSON, but Hunter's gone. And as he said, like Maria PERSON came to him. She didn't even come after. It's like, I'm so sorry. You know, and that would have been a good social play, as we've said for Maria PERSON. And even if she had, he does know anyone anything in this game. It is

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his game. Like it's going to happen coming up that none of them step up for ICE except Kenzie PERSON.

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None of them stepped out for Rice ORG a couple of episodes ago for their game. They want to play

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and win immunity for their game. This is Q PERSON's game. Who he takes on reward can be very, very important. You know, game winning alliances have been formed at, especially overnight rewards. We've spoken about that with like the SPAR reward, how important it can be to have that time away, especially when time is so precious in a shorter game. I think that it's Q PERSON's prerogative to choose who he wants.

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And yeah. Do you think, do you think that him choosing Tiff over Liz PERSON was a better move for his game done?

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I do.

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And I look, Q PERSON, there was not a lot of social headway to be made for Q.

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You know, like he's well in debt socially, as we've spoken about.

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But for a couple of reasons, firstly, I do think it looks kind of bad.

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And there's a secret scene before the challenge where Liz PERSON is like begging people.

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It seems like almost everyone else, maybe not Tiffany PERSON, but I don't know, almost everyone else would have given Liz PERSON the reward. So it might look bad socially, but I also feel like the queuedrop in the ocean at the moment. Secondly, I think trying to make up with Tiffany and Kenzie PERSON could be useful. And Tiffany PERSON even said in her ex-interview, they probably weren't going to work together again. It was too far gone from that.But he did apologize. They did have a really good conversation. And they did make headway. That could be a jury vote one day. I think there was more to gain there. I think Tiffany and Kenzie PERSON are,even though Tiffany PERSON's about to go, but due to the threat level, I think they're more powerful players. Liz PERSON doesn't have a lot to bring other than her own vote. Can be important, as Maria PERSON like scoops up Q, but I really feel like she's not bringing a lot.We see this on awards all the time. I'm reminded of like season 42. It's like, I'm going to take all the people that haven't eaten. Not you, Romeo PERSON. Like people just care less about the people that bring less capital and bring less power. He, I think, made pretty good choices for thebad position he was in. We saw Mark PERSON do something similar, using food and opportunity and time to try and, you know, broker something. And I think taking Maria PERSON was essential. Like, the only other thing that I would have done if I was hit is possibly take like the three Seagas PERSON. But I think that's less dynamic and very transparent. And you're kind of putting all your eggs in that basket. I thought that, you know, he brings Maria PERSON. He rewards that relationship in that way.She's powerful. Doesn't necessarily need someone like Charlie once he already has Maria PERSON, who's like in that pair. And then tries to make up with Yanu. I thought it was fine from a relationship standpoint. From a structural standpoint, it kind of sucked that the plan was then like, Yanu and Siga are going to go against these two kind of minor players and Liz and Venus PERSON,which they're not going to do. The fact that they weren't going to do that was what caused the whole divide to begin with. People didn't want to just waste the vote on someone like Venus PERSON. So that structurally didn't work for me. But from a relationship standpoint, in a bad situation, I think it was fine. And I think that he's like entitled to use the reward that he won, that he earned,

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to make some strategic headway and make his own decisions at that point. Definitely. I just think, look, I'm not, I don't think it was a bad decision. I just think that if he swapped out TIF for Liz, maybe all he needs is to just get in with Kenzie to be able to get in with Tiff PERSON. Like, I don't know.

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Yeah, but it's so personally divided. It's not like, oh, Marie and Charlie PERSON, you'll kind of do the same thing. Like, they're so individually broken that he kind of, like, he kind of, he really owed them both an apology, which he delivered in the form of Applebee's ORG. Yeah.

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Yeah. I don't know. That's a good campaign for Applebee's ORG. Say you're form of Applebee's. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

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That's a good campaign for Applebee's ORG. Say you're sorry with Applebee's ORG. Like that, you know.

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Look at us, we're still promoting Applebee's to this day.

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And we've never, neither one of us have ever eaten it, right?

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We've never, so.

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No, no, no.

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What is it? Is it just like burgers, but it looks like a restaurant that's not like fast food? Like, I don't know.

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You know what I find about America GPE is they have much more general food eateries. Like the cheesecake factory, like the menu of the cheesecake factory, I was like, oh, this has everything.

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I feel like we in Australia GPE are more specific to cuisine.

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Like I want to go have Japanese NORP food.

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I want to go, well, not like, yeah, you know, I don't think they have that apple food. I'm going to go to a Mexican NORP restaurant. I think they have everything.

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And so it's just like general, like kind of fast-ish food. Maybe not fast, but like medium. Middle of the road. Yeah.

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We're getting distracted by having been now.

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As the show did, the 40 minutes, which I love.

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But yeah, because I don't know if you saw.

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Yeah, so on Q.

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Yeah, right?

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Oh, there you go.

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See, I've in've accepted and infected you.

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It took me even a second because Q is the word there.

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And I was like, yeah, right on.

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Love it.

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Obsessed with it.

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Did you see in the ex-interviews that, the exit into cues that,

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so, because they asked, they were like,

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they were like, did, this is making Ferris PERSON laugh is the only goal

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even when he shouldn't be laughing.

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It's not good.

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Don't encourage me.

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So, yeah, so they asked, they're like, oh, did you guys want to give up your reward to Liz PERSON?

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And then Tiffany was like, no, um, Kenzie and Maria PERSON tried to.

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And Q PERSON said no, which is so funny.

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Like, how does that left out of the edit?

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That's the funniest thing.

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I would pay money, like, release the Q PERSON cut.

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I want to see...

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I need 24-7 footage of Q.

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If you're going to leave something like that out of the edit,

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then I don't trust you, editers. I want to see everything. What else have you left on the cutting room floor?

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You're making me obsessed with Q now.

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I love Q. It's so funny. I don with Q now. I love Q. I don't do wrong. I love Q. We love Q. Yeah, so look, if, like, this blob seemed to happen after he'd not only not chosen her for the reward,but then also deny two people trying to give up their reward for her. Which is so intense and so brutal. It speaks so much to who Q PERSON is as a character and the way that that has, like, really directed the culture of the season that I'm really enjoying it. It's so brutal. It speaks so much to who Q is as a character and the way that that has like really directed the culture of the season that I'm really enjoying it. It's so funny. It's so mean. But I also kind of feel like it's his right. Because I've looked back at examples before

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of people who have like given up their reward and I could only find examples where like they're split into teams of five or whatever and the teams like you've won it. You've earned it and you can

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give it up like in 29 that happened all the time.

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In like Sarah did it and winners at war for Nick PERSON. But I kind of feel like, you know, again, choosing who you want to go on reward with. He's won that opportunity. He's won that time. It should be his choice.I think, like, and the thing is, would most people step in to do something that harsh? They would not. But he was not most people. And I do think if he's willing to, you know, really like push that from a social perspective that people may judge, if he's willing to do that, I do think it's his right of who goes on

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his reward that he's earned. So I'm defending it. Yeah, no, no, I think anything that you do in the

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game is your right because it's your game and it's how you want to play. And that's completely

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fair enough. It's just a matter of, could he have taken more advantage of the fact that Liz

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was hungry and and you know yeah it's just from a game yeah being indebted to him um could

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would she have been she hates that guy like would that have brought her back because the way

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she was asking everyone for it i do feel like i do really think she felt a little entitled to it.

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And I don't know if she would have been grateful as much as she would have been like, yes, this is just what should have happened.

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Yeah, that's, I think, again, if he, maybe if he brought her on and did she, did she actively.

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Oh, yeah, she did.

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She mentioned that in front of everyone that is. She had this emotional connection with like.

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Yeah, oh, she went on. Yeah. she talked about the applebee's connection i would have taken her like if

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she really didn't like you i would have taken her number one i would be like okay tell me about this emotional connection with your daughter about applebees for the next half an hour yeah that sounds insane

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let's talk about it yeah yeah let's talk about this and i would have connected with her on that level

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and overturned this whole, this life for Q. I reckon he could have been done in a very, very specific way, the right person communicating that. But, yeah, no, I don't look, I'm not holding anything against Q PERSON at his right. He tried to mend a broken relationship. It didn't really work, yeah.And also, you never leave people back at the reward and just walk off. Like, you just don't do that.

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I don't know why. I wonder if that was a confessional. Possibly, yeah, that's also true as well.

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Because that would be the only excuse.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It reminded me a lot about Alex taking Kirby, Rihanna PERSON.

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Yeah.

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And was it Caroline PERSON to the reward?

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He gave me those.

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Yeah, definitely.

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But yeah, it brought back those sort of memories of like, okay, yeah, this isn't happening.

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Sorry.

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Thanks for the lunch, though.

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But, yeah, he's right.

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It is.

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It's his right to make even bad decisions, but I don't think it was that bad.

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But I do think I feel bad for Liz. I said before the season, I was like, this is going to be really tough for her.

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Like, not eating. I hear it's difficult.

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You know what exactly is she's allergic to? Because it seems like she's allergic to a lot of things.

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A lot of fruit. Peter PERSON, he can't eat coconut. Peter has like a sorbitol thing.

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Let me just give my husband's whole medical records.

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That's appropriate to do on this podcast.

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But the fruit, she might be, she might be salt bottle.

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And then she, I think she can eat burgers.

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So from a gluten perspective, she might be okay.

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Did you know?

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Actually, they said to her that she needed gluten-free sandwiches.

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So gluten might be an issue, actually.

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I only just figured out that these players don't get rice. Yeah.

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I was so confused in the, I think in episode nine, when he was talking about the whole

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stepping out for rice.

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And I'm like, don't they already have rice?

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And I literally just discovered that, no, they don't get rice.

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Yeah. Like, holy crap, this is, okay, this is hard. I get it now.

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I get why, well, I say it could be hard.

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So, yeah, I feel for this even more because of that.

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Even I forget that they don't have rice. In my mind, it's like they have rice and they run out and that's why they do the rice negotiation because that's what used to happen where, like, Angelina PERSON negotiated for rice because, and they'd happen like in 29 as well, where they were like, we don't have enough. Or was that for something else?Machete that they lost? Anyway, there's been negotiations for things they've had and either lost or run out of. So in my mind, that's why it's happening. But yeah, the lack of rice, I have, my brother and I were laughing about this last night because we've often said, like, the starvation culture that they've done in the new era to make the 26 days, it's like it's harder, it's fine, it's still reallydifficult. We've always said, like, that doesn't translate to the point where, again, I'm like, oh, I don't even know if they do or don't have rice. Like, it's not something that is front of mind for me. But then it really translated in this episode when Liz had one of the most iconic women the whole

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time because she blew up because she couldn't eat. So it kind of felt like when the shot in the dark hit for the first time,

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you're like, ah, has shot in the dark been worth it this whole time for this one moment?

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Has starvation culture been worth it this whole time for Liz PERSON to just completely erupt?

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Maybe. Like, it's the best, it's the best argument that they could possibly have to this being

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like a twist that is entertaining because it's the first time that it's really been entertaining, I think. I would have like, honestly, when I watch scenes like this and like a twist that is entertaining because it's the first time that it's really been entertaining, I think.

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I would have like, honestly, when I watch scenes like this and like, for example, scenes of like Banu PERSON begging, like it makes me just wish that I was on this season just to experience that.

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Like if I got like a touch of Kelly PERSON's, you know, birthday ritual for her son with the flowers. Imagine seeing Banu PERSON begging all this completely losing her shit. I would, oh my God, I'd give anything to be a part

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of that. I would have loved that. Yeah, people have been asking Kelly versus Barnau season,

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right? Like, that's the... Kelly PERSON versus...

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or Kelly and Barnao on Amazing Race WORK_OF_ART.

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Kelly and Barna playing every season of every global survivor and whoever wins first, wins that

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challenge.

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We'll be here for 100 years. It'd be great.

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That would be incredible.

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I would love to see something like that.

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I'd love to meet Barno PERSON. I'm obsessed with Barna PERSON, by the way. I don't know if I made that clear, but I'm absolutely obsessed with him. And I'm so upset,

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I didn't get to see more of it. Yeah, I also really loved Bono PERSON. This has been a fun cast. And we lost, we lost a good one this week. I was a big Tiffany PERSON fan. I feel like she was endlessly

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entertaining. And we, and it's such a good week DATE to have you on because implicit immunity was such a big

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part of our discussions last week with Hunter PERSON.

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I felt like he should have wielded it more.

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He didn't threaten anyone with his idol.

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Tiffany, I was concerned because I'm like, look, she used implicit immunity perfectly last week where it pushed everyone off voting for her.

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But I was like, but she didn't do it intentionally. She didn't think she was pushing votes away. She didn't even know that she was in trouble.

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I was concerned about a misread because she wasn't threatening it.

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Had she been threatening it with that intentionality, she could have wielded it the same way this week where she says,

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you know, oh, well, I didn't play it last time.

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But this time, really, I'm really just trying to, you know, get the heat off me.

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I'm not quite sure, but has anyone seen her idol?

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Kenzie PERSON probably has.

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Yeah, I think Kenzie PERSON was a big part of her actually finding. I think Kenzie PERSON came up when she was finding it.

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Okay, interesting.

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Yeah, no, I think it's so hard to have that sort of implicit immunity,

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and it's such a risk to take.

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And I completely understand why she sort of didn't play it as well,

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because it's so tempting.

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But yeah, she's not unfortunate that she, like, this is the season of voting people out with idols in their pockets.

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How many, how many people has this been so far three? Three.

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The first three draftics in the RHAP draft, Hunter, Tiffany and then Gem PERSON all went out with an idol in their pocket.

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Every idol, there's been four idols found this season, Randon left with one,

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and the other three were all voted out in pockets the season.

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That's very, very much the vibe at the moment. Holy crap, that's insane. Yeah, I love Tiffany PERSON. I love watching Tiffany PERSON. I think she could have made it quite five. She sort of did use her social capital a bit more, but, you know, she was such anentertaining player to watch. I love to, I love watching every moment of her. So I was quite, you know, taken back when she got sort of blindsided with Myel PRODUCT in her pocket. Very unfortunate for it.

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I would be burning. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, as someone who wielded implicit immunity, I think pretty actively through so much of your season, what did you think about the way that she went home with it here? Because like Venus PERSON says it word. This is what Venus PERSON says word for word at the beginning of this episode. She says about Hunter PERSON. He overplayed his hand and thought,I can save this for next time because everyone hates Q. And then that literally happens to Tiffany PERSON, 55 minutes later TIME.

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So it was so painful because in tribal council, everyone's like, but tonight's different.

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It's different tonight. And then like narrator, it was not different. So how did you kind of look at how she let that happen? Do you think that she knew that the idol was, we could make her a target? Like how much you put on her here for not playing it or for not at least wielding it a little bit more? Because they, I mean, she doesn't know this, but they couldn't split.If she does the same thing again, then they have to again bet on the fact, is she going to play it? And if she does, I guess only Q PERSON leaves. So maybe they're still willing to take the risk.

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But if she takes matters into her own hands, it becomes very risky if they feel like she's really going to use it tonight.

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Yeah, I don't blame her for not playing it because, look, it is tempting.

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Once you get away with threatening an idol and it working once, you kind of becomes addictive. Like, you kind of just want to keep trying your luck with how well you can get away with it. And I think at the end of the day, it comes down to how you wield it and how she wielded it. I think it worked so well with me because I had such a jokingly personality where I wasn'tlike serious a lot of the times and that sort of suited my game in terms of whether or not I have an idol whereas in TIF I'm not sure how she's seen by the tribe. So it all comes down to how you're seen by the tribe and what sort of character you are. If you're a serious player, it's probably a lot harder to sort of wield implicit immunity. If you're seen as someone that, you know, has their moments of playing it up here and there, of like, questioning people, of joking around, then you're that type of character that can wield like an immunity idolfor something that long. So I think it comes down to the type of person and character and player you are. So I don't blame her for not playing it because he worked once. So she's like, you know what, let me try again. But I think if I was in her position and I was her type of player and her type of character, I reckon I would have been like, okay, it worked once.I'm not going to try my luck again. I'm going to play it the second time. And we'll just see if I can find another idol. I think it comes down to the character of the person and how they're perceived by the rest of the tribe. And you need to be very, very socially aware and self-aware of what type of person and player you are to be able to have this sort of implicit immunity. And that's a huge factor in holding an idol and sort of bluffing idols.So, yeah, that's my take on the whole thing.

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Yeah, I mean, Eden had a good point last week about how if someone is telling you not to play your idol, you probably play it. Like, why would that person want you to have an idol? And I think Charlie PERSON seems to have done some good work here of like, oh, don't play it because next week we're going to play it. Like, oh, there's actual utility to me for me to get you to hold this,

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but actually I'm just leaving you open, which is possibly something that she could have clocked,

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especially given that Q has been very much the smoke screen for a couple of tribal councils

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and it was continuously pointed out and good on all the blindsiders for selling that as well as they did as easy as sell

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as it might have been i mean tiffany was the one fighting with q last week as somewhat of a smoke screen

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as genuine as it might have been and then it was done against her this week so i think i think we see

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because you're someone who played an idol that you didn't technically need but i was high

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on that move because i felt like there was enough for you to doubt that it's scary enough and so like

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even you know if you don't like don't necessarily need it but are cautious around genuine fear

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it's like with you at the time it was riana PERSON had lied to you it was like you should be reading fear into

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that that's scary um so even like we see with Hunter last week, I mean, they really, really roasted Hunter

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coming back from Tribal Council. They're like, what happened? What did he really have it? How did

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he not play it? And it was good to get some clarification on the fact that they like fully were

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piling onto Liz PERSON's part of the split and that knowing that she was going for Q. And I think it shows

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for someone like Hunter PERSON who was really like relying on like small numbers. Like he had the fear, again,

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that you had, even if it wasn't going to, you know, have you going home. But he read into fears

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of like, oh, there's going to be a split. I'm one of those targets. But I can kind of like pinpoint

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these numbers. And then the fact that he was communicating through Charlie to Liz PERSON about voting

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for Q. So the fact that he didn't think that split could be blown out to use some of those other Q numbers is, you know, probably a mistake on his part.

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But I think it shows how it's really hard to trust and read specific numbers.

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You know, we talked about like a three, three split of the six last week.

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You know, that would have not worked due to the parlor.

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In fact, it would have like said it would have given them the opportunity to send Q home with with Liz and Hunter PERSON's vote.

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So they had to blow it out it makes a lot of sense like the split worked really well on what they were trying to do so i think it's you know in just reading the fear like you did it caused you to technically waste an idle but it was a correct reading of fear so i don't think necessarily it's always on like the results it has to be on the read

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and hopefully that read was not had here or last week even on trying to like pinpoint

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when it should be on more base concerns.

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I think it's like obviously read is the majority part of playing the right eye, the article correctly. But also cross-checking conversations, have more conversations, not just with your alliances, like have with your alliances. Like, have conversations with everyone. And if you suck at reading people, that doesn't necessarily mean you're never going to play an idol correctly.You can catch someone out in a lie if you have enough conversations. If you see enough conversations happening and cross-checking what they spoke about with what the other person spoke about. Like, have these conversations. If you are paranoid, if you are scared, if you are curious about playing out an idol or not, and if you suck at reading people, have enough conversations for you to have all the information you need to play an idol.Now, I'm not saying if you have enough conversations all the time, then you will always play it correctly, but at least have that in your belt to be able to have enough ammo to decide whether or not to play an idol. And I think, I think that's what Tiffany PERSON did like. She didn't have enough conversations with all of the people and cross-checking conversations for her to be able to assist her in playing the idol correctly. So, but again, I can't, I can't blame her.

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Like, it worked once. i blame her a little bit i don't know

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it's so i'm telling you shannon it's such an addictive thing to get away with if you get

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play perfectly everyone do exactly like off the walls it every time yeah but yeah no um yeah

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i don't know like i i completely get it i get it like for her, she would have been like, oh, you work this time.

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Let's try again. Let's try it again. So you kind of put some on us on her, but I completely understand why she wanted to try it again. So. Yeah.

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I think that this, I think actually my co-podcaster next week, Kelly Wentworth, I think she was one that did this in Edge of Extinction WORK_OF_ART. Well, she kept not playing the idol, but I was criticizing it. Like, sometimes, like, I think she was, she was blindsided, but she wasn't the target. So she didn't

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play the idol, but I wasn't like, oh, you read that correctly. I was like, you got really lucky.

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You're on the wrong side of the vote and you weren't the target. And then eventually she goes home with the idol. So I, like, it's a, that's why it's about the read for me.

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How much is it about, like, the result that you get versus what you're intentionally trying to do. And with the implicit immunity last week, I was like, I's why it's about the read for me. How much is it about like the result that you get versus what you're intentionally trying to do? And with the implicit immunity last week, I was like, I would give her three chizzy points if I felt like she was doing this on purpose. But because she wasn't, I gave her one chizzy point because I thought that it was enacted really, really well.

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But she was not doing it as attached to what it should have been, which is like, oh,

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I'm going to be a target because of my idol. So I'm going to push that out and then I'm not going to play it. Like, got you guys. And then she can continue that onto this week to either do it again or at this point, play it. But there is a complacency that you're talking about around. You even see us, oh, now you're in the final six.That's what Kenzie PERSON says. Like, ooh, keeping it now. I'm like, just stretching it one more. That's what Hunter PERSON was trying to do as well. And I can see how that's so tempting.

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But it gets people so often. So I just wish, like, the read, like, if she knew last

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week that her name had been out there, then this week doesn't go the way. And then she plays the idol. But that was such a big thing to miss last week. Once those conversations were already happening, she was so outside of the conversation that it was, you know, prime time to blindside for her. So that was bigness last week.

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There's also that there's a huge psychology behind it.

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So for example, if you, if you're thinking of not playing your idol

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and you can get away with it and you're in top six, for example,

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you're saying to yourself, okay, if I can bluff it, just this one tribal council and I play it in the top five, that's a ticket to the top four.

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So that's also something that you are constantly. Yeah, the last round.

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When I was in the game and I made it through an extra tribal council, I'm like, oh, okay,

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I still have an eye on my pocket and I'm making it through another tribal council after that.

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So that is constantly playing in your mind as well. So again, that's why I don't try to blame her as much as you do, Shannon PERSON. You're very harsh from her.

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I'm very mean.

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I'm a mean person. I love it. I love it. I love it.

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I mean, look, it was painful to lose her. I just think, yeah, that's a mistake.

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She doesn't know that Kenzie PERSON was coming for her last, but you know, there's scary, big misses.

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But you know what?

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And this is the thing that she, I thought at the time and she said in her ex-interviews

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that Maria talking to Q PERSON so openly in front of everyone. Maria PERSON's down at the beach with Q, Maria, she's probably, and she said she's probably just like hyping him up. Like, be a little concerned about that.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Or even at least plant seeds. Who cares? Even if you're not as concerned, plant seeds in other people's minds, get targets off your back, do whatever you can. Whenever you see a conversation that's happening that you don't think should happen, start speaking to other people and make sure they all realize the same thing. Let them freaking be more cautious. But there's so many reasons to it. And the fact that they are almost defending it speaks so much to Maria PERSON's game and her social game and her subtlety. Like the fact that they weren't cautious of it or they didn't think maybe something's going on.

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Again, it speaks to how well Maria PERSON is playing this game in terms of like her social style,

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which again, obviously, her praise is over and over again because I'm obsessed with Maria PERSON. Yeah.

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They underestimated her.

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Yes. Yeah.

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Let's talk about Kenzie PERSON, if we can, because I feel like this was, this was interesting.

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Like, I did not like her turning on Tiffany PERSON, but then reneging on it, I feel like was somehow

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worse. Yes.

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And I think she was blindsided here, which is a little crazy to me because Maria PERSON went

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to her multiple times, even saying we should bring in Q. Like she gave her the plan and Kenzie PERSON was like, no. And I guess really thought it wasn't going to happen. And yeah, to turn on your number one, we can talk, you know, through kind of, we can say it again, like the meta around number ones and she, you know, vocalizes that a little bit more

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even in this episode. But yeah, where do you think she kind of, we can say it again, like the meta around number ones, and she, you know, vocalises that a little bit more, even in this episode.

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But, yeah, where do you think she kind of stands now? And the way she's played the last couple of episodes, like, you know, trying to take the shot, pulling you back, and then, like, really pulling back to not doing it at all. Yeah.

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Look, I love Kenzie PERSON. I thought she was in a great position, probably up until this week. I think she might be in a very, very sticky situation at the moment. She lost her number one, even though she wanted to turn on her number one, but now she's completely stuck and maybe Q is probably her best chance in terms of building a proper solid alliance.Yeah, no, I think Kenzie might be in trouble in the next one or two episodes DATE. Just like I said, I think if she can get through the next two episodes, then she's got a really good path to the end. But I think she would be one of the bigger targets. And people are starting to be aware of it. And she's also on the outside. You've got Maria, Charlie, and Ben, all as a three.And who does that leave? That leaves Venus, Kenzie PERSON.

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Liz, Kenzie PERSON, and Q.

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And Liz PERSON doesn't really want to work with Q. Where does Venus PERSON sit in this sense? And where does Kenzie PERSON sit in this sense? Like, they could be swing votes in somehow some way, but I don't think they have enough social capital to have a proper vote line. So I think Kenzie PERSON really needs to up her game in terms of her social work, which she's amazing at,and I think she can do it. It's just a matter of how she's going to do it. I don't know what her path is. I think Q is probably her best shot, but even then, like, who's going to come with you on Q? Who's going to join your alliance? Venus PERSON? No?

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Like, it's going to be hard.

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Her best shot is probably working with Maria, Ben PERSON and Charlie

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if they do stay together in the next episode.

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So even then, that's not a guarantee. So it's going to be a hard one for KENZRIF in the next two episodes.

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Yeah, losing Hunt PERSON, I think, was bad. Now she's lost Tiffany PERSON. She's relying to me solely on Ben PERSON. We've seen that connection, and that's a credit to her social game,

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that she's, you know, built that connection with Ben PERSON.

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And now it's about pulling Ben PERSON over to take a shot at the seekers for me. That's her pathway. And then having threats, you know, in the two seekers, and then you're down to five and then maintaining it with Ben PERSON. You know, you also have Q, hopefully as an out at some point. Maybe Ben PERSON could be painted as something of a threat that or like winning one immunity towards the end game. There's space there to get through to a final four. That's a winning path for me. I still think that she has the

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edit. I think she's in a bad spot though. I do think she should be their target. I think, yeah, so much is on that one Ben connection. And this was so interesting with Tiffany PERSON, it's like,

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had she known about it, had she had a sense due to the fact that they kept telling her, now that you've brought it up, we do think we should try and get rid of Tiffany PERSON. Based on that, you know, little clue. Yeah. Yeah, I was kind of wondering, like, should she have told Tiffany PERSON, like, I've been hearing your name from me. Let's told Tiffany PERSON, like, I've been hearing your name from me. Leave that part out.

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I've been hearing your name.

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Maybe we're cautious with the idol, but she can't do that. Like, worst case scenario for her is Tiffany PERSON stays because of the idol on a failed coup,

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or Q, that, that, because now there's so much information out there. Like, if she stays and Kenzie PERSON has either blown it up and they know about it or even if they don't know about it, at the point where that's all been blown up,

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now when she said, she said he, whatever,

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with three people who were like, you know, Kenzie PERSON was coming for you. Like at the point where Tiffany PERSON's been the target,

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now is on the back foot, played her idol, and the Seegas PERSON are in a little bit of hot water, they could easily blow up what's happened with Kenzie PERSON. She put herself in such a precarious spot. There's so much information out there about what she was trying to do that she then doesn't go with.And I feel like some of that was strategic around like, oh, you know, maybe she doesn't want to do without Hunter PERSON, but then again, losing Hunter was so bad, maybe doesn't want to do it with Q PERSON, but then so painful that Hunter went over Q last time for her, and I said that at the time. But I also feel like so much of it was emotional. It's like, I'm not really feeling it anymore. Like, Q PERSON doesn't deserve to be here. It's such, it's like an affront to the jury to keep him

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around or somebody wants to be here. Like, you're not going to wear that in front of the jury

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individually. Like, she just did not want him there. It was emotional. And it put her, I think, in a really precarious spot where that information is out there. Like, at the point where she's put forward the big move of Tiffany PERSON, which again, I didn't agree with, but at the point that it's been done, like, you best commit. And if Tiffany's not playing her idol tonight, you actually can do it. So she had to, she had to commit. Now she's been left out. And at least Tiffany PERSON's gone to tie up some of those loose ends but like losing yournumber one ally and it being some benefit to you and you're left out of the vote because that's how many loose ends you have like doesn't speak to the you know point that her game is at in the highest

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of favors right now if she if she does end up getting closer with ben which in turn brings charlie and maria and they all stick. I think that's a really good position.

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That's not great though. Do you want to be with Charlie and Maria PERSON? Like then I feel like she's at the bottom of that and they're bigger jericho.

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Yeah, I know. But then what other alliance is she bringing together?

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Her and Ben need to pick up game players like Venus and Liz PERSON, who just said, saw Maria PERSON make this move and say Maria's just made the move.

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But to me, those are all different type of players.

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Oh, very disparate. It's hard. Yeah.

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Like, I think that is a much harder move to sort of pull off than to just get in with Ben, Charlie PERSON, and Maria for, you know, a tribal or two and then use whoever's left to turn on.

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Not a lot left. Not a lot left. Not a lot left. I don't think you have the time. At the point, you could try to take out Q because that at least depowers Maria PERSON. If you're leaving Q, Maria and Charlie in the game to six,like she's been blocked out of anything, any agency. And even so, like, they're just the big physical threats, the big jury threats. We're getting pretty close to the end. Not a lot of rounds. You'd need to get rid of them at six and five TIME. At that point, it would be, you know, you'd have to take the straight shots,can't allow like the last person to win an immunity and they get to four, have the chance to make fire, which I kind of feel like Maria and Charlie would both be good at. I think like next week's essential to take out, if not Q, which is like a half fine move, then definitely, like, definitely

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Charlie and Maria PERSON. And that's why I credit Charlie and Maria PERSON with the position they put themselves in because they should be targets and there should be numbers against them. But those numbers are so disconnected that while it makes sense on the chessboard,

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it might be really, really difficult to put into practice. And that is a credit to the position

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they put themselves in. Exactly. I reckon those, I reckon, yeah, Ben, Charlie and Maria PERSON are

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probably in the best position. And I think you're right. I think that's that's Kenzie PERSON's best shot. To get in with Ben and to take out Charlie and Maria PERSON, it's just a matter of how deep is she with Ben PERSON compared to...

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High goals. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Compared to Seeger and Ben PERSON, you mean? Exactly.

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Yeah.

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That's the toggle.

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Yeah, that's, I think that's that's yeah probably her best shot yeah so

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i mean i wanted to get your thought on the meta of got to take out my number one she says it this time taking out your number one that's a big resume point in your incredibly fluid season that was like the one kind of sacred thing we talked about this with eden last week where you might have not voted together but there was something sacred around like you, you didn't vote out, Eileen PERSON. You know, the middle-aged mafia didn't vote out each other. Like, people voted differently, but they didn't come for their number one. So how do you kind of see the matter of this, you know, it's such a big part

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of the season? Um, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about taking, I don't know how I feel about taking out of your number one. I really don't. Again, I think it's all about timing. It's all about timing. I think it's okay for the right time. And I just don't think that would have been the right time in Kenzie's eyes to want to take out Tiffany PERSON.I reckon that was slightly too early. I think it's a great option for Charlie to take out Maria PERSON at a certain point. And again, it all comes down to timing. I think it's okay. I think it's great. I think it's a big move so long as you have the right time to take out your number one.

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Because they're your number one.

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They're the ones that are going to help you get through to you know to a certain extent you just need to be able to perfectly

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time it that's the only thing and even if they're worth taking out like if you can beat them obviously not taking them out they're your number one but again that comes down to are they going to turn on you that comes down to loyalty as well how lowly you think they are to turn on you? That comes down to loyalty as well. How loyal do you think they are to you? So there's so many factors involved in it. Personally, it all comes down to who your number one is. For example, with Ray PERSON, I would have never, ever, ever, ever, ever consider taking Ray out.

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And Ray PERSON never considered taking me out.

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It comes down to the person that you're dealing with and the relationships that you've made. I don't think any one of, I think any one of these people can turn on each other. And I think any one of these people will turn on their number ones. So I don't think anyone is 100% loyal in this, in this class of what we've got left. So I reckon strike first before they strike you. It just has to be the right timing.That's all.

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Well, you wouldn't have taken out Ray PERSON, but you would have beaten him at the end. So that's a good move. He wasn't going to take out you, but he would they strike you. It just has to be the right timing. That's all. Well, you wouldn't have taken out Ray, but you would have beaten him at the end, so that's a good move. He wasn't going to take out you, but he would have lost you, so it's a bad move. So I do think, like, you know, Kenzie PERSON can look at that with Tiffany because Tiffany PERSON is a big jury threat.Although I do think, you know, Kenzie PERSON would have our own stuff to speak to. But I do think that you don't want us to next to Tiffany if you don't have to. But I think you'd rather take that risk to do it later. Because, like, you think people would have been talking about...

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I think Tiffany, I would put my money on Tiffany, but I don't think she's like 100% has it.

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I would have gone in betting on Tiffany PERSON. She has the idol. At that point, she hasn't gone home with it in her pocket.

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So that's like, I think she's maybe a bit of like, she seems like the alpha personality.

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So I think that she could maybe get credited a bit more there. But I I think that she could maybe get credited a bit more there. But I do think that Kenzie PERSON has some great relationships that could have been worse for her.

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Yeah, definitely a lot more likable in that sense. But yeah, you're right. In terms of moves,

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who knows? Like that, that to me is probably a 50-50. I think I'd be leaning more towards

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Kenzie PERSON, but it all depends on what would have happened to the end, I guess. Yeah, but because it's so close, I would wait. You know, that's why

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it was like, okay, worst-case scenario, we end up there together. Because Tiffany PERSON wasn't coming

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to Kenzie PERSON. She felt comfortable sitting at the end for Kenzie. That's what she said in exit.

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So worst-comes-to-wurst, we sit there and I plead my case. This is what Tika PERSON did.

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And they just saw that. That's why it's kind of strange for me is because how is the meta kind

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of created where you have to take out your number one, even with, again, concepts that make sense about differentiating your game, but how is it, it's a resume move to take out your number one? How is it, it has to be done now. This isn't like a pressing problem to manage at a point. It's like, I got to do the thing. And that's been the biggest thing for Kenzie PERSON. It's been a big thing we've talked about for like Liz PERSON. Um, you know, it's been hugely the culture of this even. There have been in the new era, some of the best moves made of the new era, which weretaking out your number one. Marianne does it to Omer PERSON, she wins the game. Sorry for the spoiler. Jesse does it to Cody and he, I still back that move, like gets himself through to fire in a way that he would have won at the end. And he just needs to win, you know, the challenge or fire at that point and pull it out,which he doesn't do. But those moves and make sense. They don't see the D did not take out her number one and it went really well for her.

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They did just see Tika PERSON.

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This was an alliance that were all each other's probably most threatening final travel

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council competitors, but they maintain control the whole time by staying very, very loyal.

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And they thought, okay, I'm going to, you know, have something to speak to at the end and take the shot. It doesn't obviously work for Carolyn PERSON. She doesn't, but like it works so well for Jam Jam PERSON. So I guess it does speak to how much you think you can win in that pair

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and how much you're going to put on your final tribal council performance and your relationship with the jury.

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But like Marianne and Jessie did it at six. Like her talking about it at nine is so early.

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Yeah. Let alone the fact that this culture has been created even earlier in the game. I think it's so much about timing. It's so much about where you sit.

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And I don't, I don't agree with just, you know, take out your number one to do it. I don't agree with it being like something to tick off the checklist.

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I think it makes sense in the moment you do it.

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But often a lot later, or you leave yourself quite vulnerable and definitely within the context of what makes sense.

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Is it seen as a big resume move to take out your number one for not the sole purpose of not being able to beat them? Like, for example, if, okay, I understand of taking out your number one if you can't beat them at the end. I can see that as a resume move. But is it seen as a general resume moveof taking out your number ones? Like is that seen as like a big resume move?

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I mean, it's...

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I think so...

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Yeah, because ownership has been such a big part of the season. So it's something you can own because that's your number one. So...

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But I think also just like pure ownership

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also feels less... I don't know, less important.

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Like this all feels like you do it to do it, you know, like you take out, you know, that's what you do. Take out, you know, and you can own it. Who has a resume move? It's all a little shallow thing. Maybe it's seen as a, as a resume move because you can sort of set feelings aside from the actual game and you're able to sort of focus more on the game rather than emotions. But other than that,I don't know. I don't think it's a, it's a massive thing unless they're actually a threat. Yeah, no, I'm not sure about that.

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Sometimes you're so unemotional that it becomes emotional. It's like, I'm just that strategic. I don't even care about my number one. It's like, but yet, but you're pushing yourself to make this like big thing to show you're so unemotional that it becomes emotional. It's like, I'm just that strategic. I don't even care about my number one. It's like, but you're pushing yourself to make this like big thing to show you're not emotional. And that almost seems illogical in and of itself.

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Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

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I didn't back it last week, but I back at less this week. I think Kenzie PERSON's in a tough spot.

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But as we talk about, I've got so much to talk to you about Ferris PERSON. I love where the seasons out right now. There's so much complexity, which is awesome. As we talk about turning on your number one, I just want to touch on again,

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Charlie and Maria PERSON, where they sit, when and if they should turn on each other, who we think would

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win that war, who we think wins at the end between them? This duo is fascinating to me because

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they haven't turned on each other, which is, again, as we've said, unique. So how do you kind

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of see when should they turn on each other or should they turn on each other? How do you see that? I think Maria should turn on Charlie PERSON.

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I think she should turn on him. I don't think she should be sitting next to him at the end. I don't know. To me, that to him at the end. I don't know. To me, that's too risky. There's no need. I reckon she can, I reckon Maria PERSON,I reckon Charlie is probably one of the only ones that might give Maria run for her money at the moment in terms of winning. Do you see anyone else beating Maria PERSON?

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Not the way Tiffany painted it. She painted them two out in front and then Charlie PERSON the most. So she's a juror. I'm taking her word for it. It's how I see it, but it's sometimes harder to read it,

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you know, on the screen. That is how I see it. You said at four, there's a fire challenge.

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Yeah. So at four they, it's weird. It's awful. awful so at four they like someone wins the chatlet immunity challenge takes one person through and the other two make fire and the winner of auto fire gets through and then it's a like final three not a final two tribal council well it's a final three okay wow

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so final five CARDINAL is a last round of voting and there's no pure round of voting without idols or anything

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like that because it's just five where you can play your idol into that final four.

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Yeah, I think Maria should take out Charlie at five.

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At five?

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Yeah.

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Leaving it a little late. But I think I agree with you. I think. Yeah.

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What's left? There's what? Are we at seven now? We're at seven.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay. Yeah. No, Okay. Yeah. No, I think five. I think five is a good spot.

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It's interesting because if it's six, then someone should maybe do it next week. Like, if you should do it at six. That's what I'm saying.

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Yeah, like there's not much left. So.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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No, I reckon just like last minute for me. Yeah.

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I know this was a big thing with taking out like Viola was like,

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they should do it next or we should do it now.

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So if it's at six, and next week actually becomes interesting for them. But I think I leave it later. I think even like a five, as you say, because of the kind of Tika PERSON thing where it's like, okay, worst comes or worse,this fails and then I do sit at the end with them. And I still have something to give. Like I still hopefully have a shot. And I think I'd rather do that than leave myself so vulnerable to people who, like if they take each other out next, maybe even at six,then they become such like a singular threat for me that it would just make so much sense for everyone else to just gang up on them. And I think that they leave themselves very vulnerable where they're still be out about arguing the other person to final tribal council. They both have something to speak to. I mean, Charlie PERSON, young strategic guy against the mom, I've seen that film before.

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It looks pretty good for Charlie PERSON. And then Maria PERSON can talk about this move. She seems to have a really great social game. They've both won immunity. So they both have something to speak to. I'd rather just rely on my game at that point than go too early and leave myself that open.

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So I think, yeah, I think later for me

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than early. I do think they should take each other out if they can, but not soon. Not immediately.

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Yeah, I think the only person that might give Maria one for money at the end would be Charlie PERSON.

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And yeah, it needs to be done just last minute. Yeah. If they do turn on each other,

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do you have a sense of who you feel like would win that from a like relationship standpoint, I mean, they've obviously both won immunity, so they might be a little bit protected there. Maria's had Q PERSON if she can maintain that.

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I think Maria, yeah, because she goes to Liz PERSON.

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So I want, like, Charlie's one who says go to Liz PERSON, but she's one who does it. Does she have that connection more? Yeah.

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I think, again, I think Maria PERSON is that type of player that doesn't need to put much effort

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into connections to be able to get what she wants with the way she communicates with people and the way she is as a person and a character compared to Charlie PERSON. Like, for example, how you are perceived is so bloody important in the game. And again, not to keep going back to Australian Survivor WORK_OF_ART, but I was seen as one of the most untrustworthy people. For God knows

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what reason. How you are perceived is so important. And Kirby has been as like this completely

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trustworthy, amazing person because she could draw people in with how she is. And I think that's quite similar to what's happening with Maria PERSON at the moment. Maria PERSON doesn't need to do much in terms of connections. But just how she is perceived, I think is more than enough. And I think Maria wins that battle against Charlie PERSON. Interesting.

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Well, then, yeah, she should wait a little bit and then probably do it because even like at a point. But again, it's all about timing.

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So interesting to see where that will go. Just the last question before we get to the chizzy because i again have so much to ask you

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we spoke a little bit about venus not a big episode for venus but i know you've been such a huge man

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give us your your venus take i love venus i think venus is number one incredible tv i think TV, I think Venus PERSON is one of the only ones that actually do want to make moves. I know we're

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slowly starting to see moves happening, but I think, yeah, she's one of the only ones that

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was bawlsily enough from the beginning to want to make moves and want to make things happen

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and just sick of seeing people just sit around and do nothing. So I'm a huge Venus PERSON fan. I love the

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representation. I just think Venus PERSON needs to tone it down slightly in terms of her relationships. I think she should really just lay low. And I think she has been doing that lately. But I would say two or three episodes ago DATE, it was like she was digging herself for grave. She doesn't need to be, she's really, really outspoken, which again, I love watching, but I don't think is good for a game. If you don't have anything good to say,or like, if you don't have anything to say that could be perceived in a positive light, do not say it. It's as simple as that. So I think she's doing a lot better than what she was a couple of episodes ago in terms of her threat and in terms of pissing people off. And I don't think she's doing a lot to piss people off. I just think people are just pissed off with her.Just the same thing, how people just didn't trust me. But I think she's doing a better job at it now laying a bit low. She needs to, again, bring that Venus out of her that she had a couple of episodes ago in terms of making moves. But the problem with Venus PERSON is it's either she wants to make big moves, but also is very loud about it, or she's just quiet and we don't hear anything about Venus PERSON.It's one or the other. We need to see her make moves, but we also need her to sort of turn it down a bit and be a bit more subtle than what she usually is. If she does that, I reckon she could do really well. And I think she can turn it up very, very quickly in a very short amount of time.And a lot of people might say, oh, it's too late to make a move. I think it might be too late for some people, not for Venus PERSON. I reckon she can turn it up in the next episode or two. It's just a matter of how she handles it socially.

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But yeah, I'm huge on Venus PERSON.

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I want to see more of Venus PERSON, and I hope she does make it to the end. Next to Maria PERSON. I want to see Maria, Venus, and a Kenzie final three.

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That would be awesome. I love that. Yeah, well, she did bring up, say, and she's like, we could really make a move here, but, like, everyone hates Q PERSON so much. Like, as you Yeah, well, she did bring up saying, she's like, we could really make a move here, but like everyone hates Q PERSON so much. Like, as you said, like, she's always willing to make the move. And they still didn't go to her, which is so rude because she wants to make moves, but probably because Venus PERSON would be thinking like that how to I turn it?And Liz PERSON didn't. We think she should have. So that, you know, that kind of like aggressive gameplay makes her, I think, a little bit chaotic for the other players, especially with no trust. But I hope that she and Q and Liz PERSON know they have to sit next to each other. Those three need each other so badly and yet have been coming for each other in different ways.

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Like Q coming to Venus PERSON even still, I mean, look, he has to do what he can to try and maintain relationships. But like, he really needs Venus PERSON. And Liz, those were the two people he technically targeted at this reward.

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Again, I think it's fine for him to rely on the relationships he needs because he's lucky to even still be in the game.

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But the best case scenario for everyone,

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and like Liz voting against Q PERSON, Q has been targeting in that way. I mean, I say that, like, I don't think he needs to take Liz

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because I don't think, to be fair, Liz PERSON wants to work with him.

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I don't. But if she could, that's, like, to me, the biggest reason that you take Liz on Rawl PERSON because she's more husband you need to work with.

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She and Venus PERSON, and it's so socially separate and it's divorced from any reality, but

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like, they're not going to do it, but they should all do it. Like, that's the biggest, you know, and they're all just, I think, like, fighting for their lives and, like, hating each other as well. But, like, those three really need to know. At a point where you're, like, taking out big threats, if someone like Maria PERSON or Charlie goes next week, start looking. And then Ben, Kenzie, all of them, go to the final three together. That's what really need to know. At a point where you're like taking out big threats, if someone like Maria or Charlie goes next week,start looking and then Ben, Kenzie PERSON, all of them, go to the final three together. That's what you need to do.

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So they could start working on that. That would be great. It makes me wonder how obvious the whole Charlie Ben Maria Alliance is. Because if it is obvious, then that's the obvious play. That's the obvious move for Liz, Venus, and Q to get together and Kenzie PERSON on either side.But I'm just, it makes me wonder how obvious that is.

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Because a lot of the times we might think it's super, super obvious.

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But on camp, who knows, Venus probably thinks she's Maria's number one for all either. Or she's whoever's number one. Like, it really does make me wonder how obvious it is because if it is very obvious in camp then that's the obvious move for liz cue PERSON and venus to all be aware okay although we might not like each other we need each other um so that sort of tells me maybe it's not as obvious as we think it is that this strong alliance is happening so

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maybe it's not the transparency though. Maybe it's that it just like what we're talking about just doesn't exist. Like that emotionality of they're not going to work together. You know, it's not like Liz and Venus PERSON are the ones who come to queue after the tribal council or vice versa. But he's like, okay, enough of this. We need this.Like we need each other. Maria PERSON is the ones who do it.

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That's the person he needs to rely on to even get through this vote.

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And it works for him. But had he continued with his kind of structural once and he's never going to get anything he like maybe specifically once because he has

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no power, but like he, you know, he's throwing out, he's taking the people on the ward and then

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throwing out Venus and Liz PERSON again to survive through this because it's socially available to him,

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but it cuts down his chances at the end because they're so important to each other,

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and it's just not there.

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So maybe it's not about what they can't see. Maybe it's about just what they don't have the capacity to do. That's what makes Survivor WORK_OF_ART so interesting. It's like, you three, you're the only three that can have a chance against each other. You three go together.

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And most of the time that doesn't happen because they're human beings who, like, you know,

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Liz just screamed at you for like five, four minutes TIME. So it's not there. Yeah, this season, I realize realize is a very emotional gameplay season. Like, obviously, I'm not comparing it to any other U.S. GPE season because I haven't seen it. But like, just from an outsider perspective and me playing one of the most least emotional seasons where everyone was just working with everyone.

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And they would come back together so well.

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Yeah, it makes no sense. Where this season is just like, okay, I just working with everyone. And you would come back together so well. Yeah, it makes no sense.

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Where this season is just like, okay, I just don't like you and I'm not working with you.

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I'm done.

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Regardless if it suits my game or not.

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I don't like, yeah, it just feels like a very, very emotional system, which I love watching, by the way. I think it's fun to watch. But yeah, very interesting.

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Yeah, it's hard because the three of them have no power, which is what makes them like good kind of ghosts to sit next to each other. But because they have no power, they have

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to appeal to the power players, thus emboldening the power players who will make it further and

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then beat them in the end. So the best case scenario would be to kind of have it on the back burner, hope the power players take each other out, which is what's happening, be like, oh, now we're in some sort of control and then push it through to a final three and like and have the awareness that that's your best bet but it is very tricky at this time to be like the three of us that's the way when like just to get through you have to appeal to like for cue this episode you have to like have some sort of stake in someone who has a lot more control than someone like venus does

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so tough tough spot.

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Great game, complex game Survivor WORK_OF_ART. Isn't the best.

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Love that. I don't know what happens next time.

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I'm excited to see it. Well, let's get to the Chizzy PRODUCT. And then I have the QMio PERSON that I want to show, but we'll set that up.

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Take it away.

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I'm excited.

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It's been played on a podcast already this week, but I still think there's space for it.

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But Chizzy first, take it away Jacob's Saga Weinstein and MC Color PRODUCT.

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One, two, three. One, one, one, three, one, one, three, one, two, three. It's getting, it's getting, it's getting kind of cheesy. Three, two, one.

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Fun fact for everyone, I actually met Jacob Saga Weinstein PERSON in L.A. And I was like, hey, it's Jacob Saga Weinstein and M.C. Color PRODUCT. Like, I couldn't do one name without the other. He said MC Color PRODUCT, that was like a mix. Like, that's not, he wasn't there. Um, or she, MC Color PRODUCT could be a woman. Never really thought about it that way. And that's probably on me. But Ferris, do you want to go first with your chiscy points or

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should I go first? Uh, you can go first. All right. I'm giving, I think it's been pretty clear through this week. I thought it was quite

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simple. Three to Maria PERSON, it's been said. It's her move. She executed it. The communication style, I think it was best for her. Specifically, with the war that's been had with kind of Tiffany PERSON, they've been saying each other's name. It gets done and she wins that battle in decisive fashion. Two points to Charlie as well, protected the immunity, pushes the swing choice of Liz PERSON, which was the right choice. He also, like, they're very much in lockstep strategically. Like, they're separated for a night and even come back and are very much on the same pagearound still going for Tiffany PERSON. And I think it seemed to be really key in the blind side of Tiffany PERSON and her not playing the idol and what she was kind of trying to cook up with him for the future. And I'll give one point to Ben PERSON as well, who I feel like, you know, he's part of it with Seeger PERSON. He's really essential next week. He's got some room to move. So yeah, I think it makessense for him now, hoping that he builds on it to turn next week. And then I think that that structure, again, delicate, but makes sense for him. So, I mean, those were three of the five in the vote and the other two in the vote did have one of the biggest blowups in Survivor WORK_OF_ART history. So it was hard for me to give them points. So those were my two-fee points. Ferris PERSON, who are you going with?

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Oh, like, I think you made it very obvious as well. I really do want to do a different route, but it's, I'm trying to justify it.

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I'm trying to justify. I'm giving three to Maria a thousand percent. I think Maria PERSON so far is playing impeccably. I think she's in a great spot with her alliance. I think she's well respected and people do listen to Maria PERSON. There's something about Maria PERSON that people love and listen to.So three to Maria PERSON.

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I have to give two to Charlie PERSON as well. I think Charlie PERSON is in a really, really good spot. He's, you know,

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one, the last two immunities. So that's amazing to be in. He's in a very, very good alliance.

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It's just a matter of where he moves from here. One, I kind of want to go a different route, but I'm trying to justify it and I'll try my best. Okay.

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I want to give one to Venus PERSON.

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Okay.

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I thought you would based on Twitter ORG.

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No, no, no, I want to give one to Venus PERSON because I think she's doing better than what she, what she was before. Like a couple of episodes ago, everybody was talking about Venus PERSON and wanting to get Venus out. We need to give her some sort of credit in sort of managing that threat, whether or not it was her intention or not. And also sort of not being on the right side of the vote. But as well as, again, the fact that she's got her name out of it and the whole spotlight is now on Q or possibly Liz PERSON.And it was on TIF before. The fact that she got out of that is huge for me, and I think that deserves at least one point. Yeah, I was actually thinking,

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like, there's not as much heat on Venus PERSON right now because Q PERSON just took it all.

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Surely she's done something, right, to be able to do that,

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whether or not he was her intention or not as a different story,

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but hey, she's in a better position than she was, you know, a couple weeks ago.

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I also just realized I said there's not as much heat on Venus PERSON. She literally did light herself on fire.

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So there was, there was heat, but a different kind of heat.

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I'll ask her about that.

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The physical kind.

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You have to, I'm going to find the secret scene for you non-geoblock because it's,

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it was just funny because like everyone's asleep and she's just on fire.

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No one really woke up.

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That might speak to some social. Like, where are you seeing these secret scenes? Where are you seeing these secret scenes? It was just funny because like everyone's asleep and she's just on fire. No one really woke up. That might speak to some social. Where are you seeing these secret scenes?

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Where are you seeing these secret scenes?

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So there's usually one. It used to be two, but it's been one lately on the CBS ORG YouTube page, which you need a VPN for. And then Dalton Ross puts out one every week. There's actually been some really important ones this season. Like often it's like them reading Tremail WORK_OF_ART, like something not as important.

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Especially with 90 minutes, we do get a lot of the content. But like the most important, like Venus lighting herself on fire seemed relevant. This week there was also Liz PERSON begging for

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the reward before they even went to the challenge. And everyone was like, oh, this is yours, Liz PERSON,

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which would have been funny. They actually had time for it. And then they've had in the past,

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they had this like kind of fight between Maria PERSON and Ben, which was really interesting. I feel like that's been Maria's biggest misstep on the show. And then they've had in the past, like, they had this, like, kind of fight between Maria PERSON and Ben, which was really interesting. I feel like that's been Maria's biggest misstep on the show, and it wasn't even on the show. She kind of came at Ben PERSON really hard, and he seemed really

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vulnerable. And it was actually a really great Ben PERSON scene. And then there was, like, a big Venus

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heaven thing, which has been referenced in so many ex-interviews where they, like, had a discussion

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and try to clear the air, but it went really poorly.

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So those have been like a big one.

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Do we see Venus PERSON being lit on fire? Or do we see her talking about it?

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No, we see her on fire. We see her jacket on fire and then like her jumper is burnt.

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And then she's like, in-professional like I was on fire.

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I'll find it for you.

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Please do.

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That sounds so stylistic as well and so cruel of me saying I need to see this.

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She survived.

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Yeah, she's alive.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, I don't know that she's fine.

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Kind of feels like she's been going through it.

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But she's not, she's fine, physically.

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She's a strong woman.

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Yeah.

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So, okay, this was played on the draft check-in.

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If you didn't watch it, the draft check-in. If you didn't watch it,

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the draft check-in. You should, because it was fun. But I think I'm still going to play the QMio PERSON here.

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By the way, so what happened was Matt Benjamin, great listener of the podcast. After last week,

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where I begged for a Q-Meo, he bought me the QMio PERSON, which was not my intention, but I'm glad

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that it happened. Um, Q PERSONMio was taken off. Q was using it. I'm like, you haven't, you know,

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like trademark, but also it's fine.

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And Matt PERSON got a lot of context in. So let's play this from Q because it's just that good.

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And if you've heard it multiple times on social media and the draft,

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you're lucky and you're welcome because I watch it like 10 times and I laugh every single time.

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So let's play.

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Let's go.

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Okay.

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Hey, Shannon PERSON, what's up?

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I hear that you have a birthday that just passed. So this is,

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of course, is a late birthday gift, sort of to your picking of me on your team, right? You didn't pick me first round. You pick me whenever after the first round. That sucks. But I just want to come on and say happy birthday to you, or should I say happy late birthday to you because you drafted me late. So there's only right that I come on here late and wish you happy birthday. I would sing to you.I really would. But it's no longer your birthday. So guess what? I'm not going to sing to you. I'm just going to tell you, happy late birthday, late drafter. That's you, Shannon PERSON. But I need not going to sing to you. I'm just going to tell you. Happy Lake birthday, Lake drafter. That's you, Shannon.But, oh.

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I need a soundboard to clip just like, just put, just put, I said this on the drop. My birthday was in February. I don't know. I don't know. Like you see, which is great. It's closer to the next birthday to get another Qio PRODUCT, which is all I won in the world.I drafted Q in the third round of the draft. I did draft him, though. I'm not getting a lot of credit for the fact that I drafted. He's the only player that I have left in my team.

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Anyway, let's get us. But that's just the context currently of what, anyway, we'll keep going.

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Also, also, there's no thing about being delusional. And you put the little Q, Q, Q in the middle of it.

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Decusional, yeah.

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You better believe in me, Shannon PERSON. Did you believe in Surrey cue in the middle of it. The Cusional, yeah. You better believe in me, Shannon. Did you believe in Ceree PERSON, your favorite player of all time? Because if you didn't, why did you draft her? And why is she your favorite player of all time? You have to start believing in the people that you pick.

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I don't, okay, this is the point where I've lost completely the thread of the two month, two and a half month late, birthday QMio PERSON from Q. And anyway, I was still with it, but I don't know what's going on with Surrey ORG. She is my favorite survivor player. I don't know why she's part of this. I don't know why she's been involved.She's not on the season. I've never drafted her. I've never done a draft of a season she's been in. Now I'm losing the thread, but I'm excited. So let's, let's keep going.

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Don't get nervous. Get excited. You're down to the last one on your team. Rally behind me and let's get this thing done. Or else you're going to have to cancel your birthday next year.

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And it'll be a big mistake to deny me entry to that party because you don't choose me first.

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Okay, so now, now I'm having a birthday party for my canceled birthday and I'm denying Q entry,

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which I never do.

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I doubt he'd be coming to Australia for, and at my 30 second birthday, I probably won't have a party. It's always during Australian Survivor WORK_OF_ART. My birthday passes, like, it's so, because I'm so busy. So I probably will, I pretty much do cancel my birthday most years because of

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Australia GPE. So he actually is right about that. But seriously, happy birthday to you. I hope you're having a great time. Your friend Matt PERSON got you a cameo. Thanks, Matt. And I made sure that I pour

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my heart into each and every cameo. But you took my heart when you drafted me.

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Not first.

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So please never do that again.

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Okay?

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Can we agree on that? Yeah.

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Happy birthday.

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Enjoy your time.

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Love you.

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Peace. Love you too, Q.

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Like I,

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what do you think?

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I love that.

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That's incredible.

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I, this isn't video recorded.

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It isn't, is it? No. Oh, my God. My facial expressions to all of that. That's incredible. I, this isn't video recorded. It isn't, is, is, is, is, oh my God.

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My facial expressions to all of that.

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That's, I love that. I love how petty he was in that video. That's incredible.

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I don't want to buy Q.

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I want to QM.

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Yes, and he's using QMio PERSON.

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He's not really loving decusional, which is my favorite word that I've come up with.

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And also, I do believe in Q. Like, I fully am so, so much that he's using QMio PERSON. He's not really loving decusional, which is my favorite word that I've come up with.

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And also, I do believe in Q. Like, I fully am so, so much that he's going to win. Now, like, I was, because I got that, like, the day before the episode, I was like, I'm going to be pretty pissed off if he leaves this week now.

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Because he really put me up. It would be really quite a blind side of me to do that. And then get voted out. I have, obviously, Mother's Day coming up. I have my, my dad's birthday coming up. I have my, my dad's birthday

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coming up. Should I get them a cue, meo? They're not watching the season currently, but I kind of

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feel like it'll speak for itself. I reckon if you do get him a QMeo PRODUCT, your parents or your mom or

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your dad, I reckon they'll start watching the season because of Q PERSON because that's incredible.

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They'll be very confused. I love. Yeah, they really.

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Just you're screaming at them.

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Yeah.

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Why is he screaming at me?

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I'm like, but I don't even know.

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They probably would prefer a cameo from you, Ferris PERSON, in that they, as we've spoken,

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they love you.

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And they watched your season.

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So, yeah.

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Well, that was, thank you, Matt PERSON.

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Thank you, Q.

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I'm glad we've been played on two podcasts this week

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because it's been worth it.

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And like, like, the funny thing is like this episode, obviously secretly an Applebee's ORG commercial. All my content, secret QMeo PRODUCT commercials.

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Yeah, yeah. That's the product placement.

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Thank you. So, Ferris PERSON, this has been so fun. I've loved getting to chat to you about everything.

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We spoke for two hours about one episode of survive.

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But that's, it's good.

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There's so much more.

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It's an exciting time in the season because it's like end game and it's a great episode. This was a great episode to speak to you with.

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So good. Number one, I wish we had a cue counter for the amount of times you made a cue joke.

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I think we would do that now.

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Probably like 12 or something like that. Don't do it.

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Next time we'll have one.

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But thanks so much for having me.

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This was so much fun.

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We could like, I could honestly speak to you all day, which is like ridiculous.

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We did.

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We did one.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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We did.

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This was awesome.

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And I'm so glad I got to speak on this specific episode. So I really, really hope the next few episodes are crap because I'll be jealous if I'm not on the next podcast, and it's a great episode. But thank you so much for having me. I love this. Yeah.

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Honestly, if it's better than this in the season is really as on fire as Venus PERSON was, because this was a great episode and the whole merch has been so fun. Like, the season has turned it around, but there are still other great, because i was feeling bad for you because obviously it was your first season i was like

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this is not good but now you're seeing some good u.s survivor GPE which is great there's other great

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seasons i will be your guide you will pay me money and then and then i'm going to make make you one

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and then we'll do survivors south africa we're going to do the whole i'm excited about yes

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please send me that that that little

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chart that color coded chart and I'll start watching immediately I'm gonna I'm gonna we'll

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talk offline but I'm excited to I'm excited that I seem to have gotten the role of yes

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your survival you're high I'll pay you in like a cameo for your parents or something

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we'll work something else That actually would be amazing.

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I don't have a gift for them currently.

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And I should pay you for your, for your cameos.

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This is me just wanting free stuff.

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I got that cameo.

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So someone buy me a Ferris PERSON cameo for my parents.

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No, no, don't.

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When I ask for things, I don't actually want to please I'm sending me.

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I do want it, but don't.

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I needed to ask

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you yeah just very very quickly did you end up getting your rebel kill match no because george PERSON is still

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in America GPE since the last time that we spoke but you need to get your chizzy mug I'm going to do it I'm

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going to say yes please yeah I'd love one that'd be amazing but every time the season ends the Chizzy Winner PERSON doesn't get their mug because I forget to do it.

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And also, I'm like, the season's done.

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And I'm like, weeks later, I'll be like, oh my God, the mug.

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Ferris PERSON, where can people find you?

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Your cameos, everything that you're doing.

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I mean, Mother's Day is coming up.

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And Ferris PERSON, actually, are there any moms that don't love Ferris?

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Like, you're a very, like, the mom demographic love you.

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It's a very good Mother's Day gift.

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It's so, it is so, like, not weird, but surprising.

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It's literally my whole fan base.

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It's all moms.

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Anyone that ever comes up to me in person is, is like a mom.

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It's always a mom.

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I don't know what it is, but I think I've won the hearts of all mothers around

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Australia GPE and the world.

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And I love that.

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So you can definitely find me on Cameo on Instagram ORG.

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All my links are there.

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Ferris PERSON Pesal 95 on Instagram and you'll be able to have access to my cameo, my Twitter, my Twitter,

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whatever it is.

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I'm always posting and I'm very active on Twitter ORG and very vocal on Twitter at the moment

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of watching Survivor U.S.

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So yeah, that's where you can find me mainly on my Instagram. Ferris Persal 95 PRODUCT. Well, everyone do that. Mother's Day coming up, perfect time. Product placement for Ferris PERSON for the cameos.

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Lo enough. All the moms out there.

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Amazing.

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Genuinely, a really good gift idea. For me, the draft checking, as I've mentioned, that is out. So that was really fun where we looked back on our picks. And No-Doles this week with Kelly Wentworth, because Rob will be in Chicago, and I'll be live after the episode with her talking about the next episode, which is hopefully half as good as the season has been so far in the last few weeks,because it's been great. Follow me at Shannon Gate, subscribe to the International Fiverr at Hapups ORG feed, which that actually won't be on that feed because Rob PERSON has a podcast, but maybe she should be on that feed. Anyway, for, not for this conversation. That's one with the team.But thank you all so much, Ferris PERSON. Thank you again. I have loved chatting US GPE vibe with you.

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Or as always, thank you so much. And I've always loved speaking to you about it. Hopefully we can do this again soon. Thank you so much, Shannon PERSON.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm very lucky. The drafters were very Chappelle, Puyah PERSON, all very, very jealous that I got to talk to you about this episode. So I was

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like, take that. That's the first win I've gotten against them ever. Love that. But thank you so much for having me, Shadden PERSON. Love this. Thank you for coming on.

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Thank you to our listeners. Thank you to the team behind the scenes. And I life. Million of lifetime.

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