EP 2418: Heading to Kansas - The Playground of Toyota

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Start your engines! Hey above, gang, here we go, history in the making. Green, green, green.

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Kansas may be home for Toto, but for the last few years it's been Toyota ORG's playground. Will that continue this week? Hi, this is Brett McMillan PERSON. You're listening to the Riley Auto Parts Pett Reporters ORG. We've been this week, Jim Utter from motorsport.com ORG,

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and Louis Frank from Reuters ORG. It's the O'Reilly Auto Parts on the Performance Racing Network ORG, presented by O'Reilly Auto Parts pit reporters on the Performance Racing Network, presented by O'Reilly Auto Parts ORG, your professional parts people. Now, here's your host, Brett McMillan PERSON.

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And welcome to the show. Glad to have Jim and Lewis PERSON here. We will try to avoid any arrow blocking. Whatever the heck that is. It used to be called something, I don't know, it used to be called arrow push.

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Arrow push. And before that it was called blocking simply. So we'll talk about it later on. Denny Hamlin, now 54 career wins, Jim, ties Lee Petty PERSON. You know, it's just, it amazes me. Every time we talk about another one of these wins for Denny Hamlin PERSON and he keeps climbing up this all-time list, you go, I just go, I just don't feel like he, I know he's got a lot of wins, but that total justamazes me. Yeah, the total, to me, also the fact that like in doing some stories this week, the fact that he's had nearly 19 full-time seasons in the Cup series. I mean, God, that seems like a long time.

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And I knew him before he was in the Cup series, which makes it worse. You know, he's really had a remarkable, you know,

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a remarkably consistent and competitive career in the Cup series with just like that one glaring hole in his resume of not having a championship but he's like literally done everything else there is to do in the sport and i and i think that um you know the the championship he's as he pointed out in a story i did with him last year it's it's always the you know the kryptoniteite thing that people who hate him point to when they don't, when he does something.But to me, it's really irrelevant at this point because I think he's done so much else that it really doesn't matter anymore.

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I think there's the Jedi Mind Trick era back with Jimmy Johnson and Kevin Harvick PERSON.

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I think the championship kind of spooks him.

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I mean, you were at Phoenix GPE that time, and they were with the crew chief back then. I forget his name.

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Mike Ford PERSON? Yep. Yeah.

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I mean, you were in the press box. They said something. We got to Miami GPE to the final enemy. He was snake, but there is something. It's his great white whale. There you go, literary fans.

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Star Wars WORK_OF_ART and literary fans.

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All in one, Vell Swip PERSON, very good. Yeah, so, but yeah, I mean, as you say, he's won just about everything, and he's on a hot streak. So are we going to jinx him now for this year, or what? Probably.

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And the thing is, now he's embracing this role of being the villain. And a villain, what you need, what you need in a villain is a guy who doesn't, or a gal, who doesn't mind being the villain, who doesn't mind being booed. And he is that guy now. And, you know, he's saying now, I don't care if everyone win a championship. Go ahead, boo me. I don't care. And, you know, a week ago calls his shot, goes on his podcast and says, Jim PERSON, goes,oh, and I'm going to win the race at Dover this week. And then he goes and goes in Babe Ruth's PERSON it and does it. But I mean, you know,

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everybody's pointing to that, but him saying he's going to win at one of the next three tracks or all of the three tracks was not like unbelievable. Look at the way they've been running, you know. That would have been like if Jimmy Johnson, would you give him Jimmy Johnson credit for calling his shot if he said, I'm going to win a Dover FAC?

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I mean, it's not like that big of a stretch is what I'm saying. But I just think that, I mean, they have shown this season. They have led in literally every race this year. They have been competitive in every race this year. They have been at some point a contender to win in every race this year, even though his results are very haphazard because he's been caught up in incidents, involved in other people'saccidents, and all of his top fives, three, are wins. That's the only top fives he has. And he has

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like one other top ten. Everything else is like lower. But in this, the way the sport is now, that doesn't matter. And as long as he keeps winning on a semi-regular basis, it makes up in the points for whatever issues he has for not being, like, having a bunch of top tens. And honestly, the easiest way to the path of the championship is to win at opportune times, which Chris Gaphart made a big point of, you know, this week.It's not just winning now. It's winning in three months, and it's winning three months after that.

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And the thing is, I mean, and then you said it, we're in a position now. Let's win races. Let's get as many bonus points as possible. You know, get to the final four, and then we'll worry about what do we have to do to win at Phoenix, Lewis PERSON. Yep.

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I liked his quote, we either win or crash this year.

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And that was very apt.

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And if you look at the laps lead, he's only 35 laps behind Kyle Larson, but he's got two more wins.

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And guess what?

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Who's the most winning driver at Kansas in the last 10 races? I don't know.

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Does he, does he, does he, this is the guy who called his shot?

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Yeah.

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He's the most successful for wins at Kansas in the last 10 races.

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That's my point about earlier.

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He, you know, it's not, this stretch for him is really good, you know, not to mention that

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his 2311 team that he co-owns has been remarkably awesome at Kansas GPE. And I'm sure anything that they've

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picked up, he's picked up. So, I mean, it's like, you know, I would not be shocked to see him in

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Victory Lane again this weekend. He's on that kind of role. And one of the things that he has done

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this year, Lewis, is he's cleaned up his problems on Pitt Road FAC. He hasn't been, it used to be a

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weekly thing that he would get caught speeding on pit road.

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Absolutely. He's cleaned that up this year. Yes, absolutely. And, uh, well, you know, sometimes with age comes wisdom, you know, he's, he's figured.

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For most of us anyway.

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Oh, gee, thanks, Jim PERSON.

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I don't know why you automatically assume that was directed at you, Lewis PERSON.

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I've known you a year or two.

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You know, when I start an enterprise, Jim PERSON's going to be my PR man.

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I hear you.

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Absolutely.

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He could have been it.

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He could have met me.

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I don't know.

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But let's talk about now you've got Hamlin has three wins.

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Yep.

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And William Byron has three wins.

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And you would think, you know, a couple weeks ago we're talking about Byron

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looked like he was the odds on favorite to win the championship.

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You know, we're still, you know, we're not even at one third mark of the season yet.

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We're about to get there.

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But, you know, now all of a sudden it's like these two guys seem to be the ones.

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But they're having similar seasons, Jim PERSON, and that it's kind of like win or wreck.

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Yeah, but I think that goes back to, I don't think we, you know,

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I'm getting to the point where I'm not even really think that saying people are favorites to win the championship,

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at this part of the year, is even means anything, to be honest.

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Because what we've seen the last two

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years is that two people who weren't in those conversations went on to win the championship so

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maybe we are just we ought to not to be having this discussion because honestly it doesn't what the last two seasons have shown me in this system is that it's not about if you win, it's when you win. And Joey Lugano and Ryan Blaney the last two years won critical races in the playoffs, which is what made the difference for them. And to be honest, I don't think you can be a fair judge of what Denny Hamlin and the 11 team has until we get to the playoffs and they're able to produce the same magic that they've been producing lately. Right now, they're building a giganticplay a gigantic playoff margin for when they get to the playoffs. But the proof will still be in the pudding. It will still be what they do then, which determines whether or not

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the season is a championship worthy one. You know, when the point system came out up, yes, I'm an old traditionalist, Jim PERSON, but, you know, it rewarded consistency. But at the end of the day, you, again, you have to get through the rounds of the playoffs and everything boils down to Phoenix GPE. Doesn't matter, you know, you just have to win on opportune times and then wherever you finish at Phoenix GPE. It adds to drama, but, you know, it's not the old consistency game

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that it used to be. But you have to get to Phoenix GPE and what he's doing now is banking enough

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points to hopefully ensure that he can get there. Right.

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It worked for Martin Truex last year because he had a horrible playoff.

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As Chris Gabehart PERSON pointed out, though, it's still, winning is still the most important thing. Because he could bank up a bunch of playoff points and get to the championship four, but if you don't win or finish the highest in that race,all the playoff points don't really matter. And the one downside for Denny ORG is that he's not been very good at Phoenix GPE, really. And so it does, and the playoff points make no difference at

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Phoenix GPE. So you still have to be, he's still going to have to be, they're still going to have to perform at their best at Phoenix GPE, and he's going to have to perform better than he's ever has before. By the way, Kyle Larson PERSON and my printout cut off, but I believe he's the leader in stage wins. And so he's banking stage points.

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Yeah. Yeah, he's got, I think, seven stage wins this year. So, I mean, yeah, he's like third and overall points and seven stage wins to go with it. Where O'Reilly Pitt reported question this week is talking about the two guys with three wins each. Who do you think is going toend up with more wins this year? William Byron PERSON or Denny Hamlin? Last week, coming off that win at Talladega FAC, we ask you, which organization would you ratehigher right now? And we got 38% said you would rate 2311 FAC, the highest. 34% said track house, and 26% said they're just about equal. Looks like they're just about equal. So were those percentages.

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Exactly right. There we go. All right. When we come back, we're going to talk about the other guys that seem to be struggling just a little bit and how long it's going to take them to get on the winning track.

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Starts your engine!

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Reddick PERSON goes right to the bottom of the racetrack. Chastain PERSON tries to hold on on the outside.

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Truex on the inside, Byron PERSON in the middle. Chastain PERSON up high. Evelyn PERSON now, beginning to come to the front. He's got the edge now. He'll take the lead away. Brian Blaney PERSON sliding down into the grass.There was a lot of bumping and grinding. And Blaney PERSON noses into the infield retaining wall.

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Ross Chastain PERSON doing a great job. Truex PERSON right there, big in his mirror as they race down the backstretch here. Harrison Burton PERSON is spinning down the back straightaway. Everybody going to the top side. Here comes Kyle Larson PERSON. Larson dives to the bottom of the racetrack.He wants to lead off four.

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Chris Buster has a spin off of turn four.

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Yeah, we've got a ton of cars that are in this one,

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and Larson is certainly one of those cars.

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Trouble coming out of turn four.

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Hamlin PERSON is sideways.

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The car spins down on the apron of the racetrack. Byron takes that brightly painted number 24 to the front. He gets a big shove from Daniel Sporan PERSON.

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And welcome back along with Lewis Frank from Reuters ORG. Jim Butter from Motorsport.com. Brett McMillan PERSON, glad to have you with us. This is getting to sound like a broken record, Lewis PERSON. But once again, Ford ORG comes away with a big zero. And this is, we're getting kind of deep in the season for Ford ORG to continue to have no wins in the win column at all.

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And this week, the top finishing in any series. Oh, wow. Any of the three national

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series. Yeah. And the top finishing four with Noah Gregson came in sixth this week. And then Ryan Blaney was seventh. And I mean, Blaney ran up front some at Dover FAC. But, you know, when it came to the last stage and he just, they're just not really, I mean, outside of Blaney and Atlanta, they really haven't run up front and threatened to win.

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Well, Lagano ORG's had a couple of polls and the problem they have is on the restarts.

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It's once they get going, they're okay, but the low end torque is a problem some of my friends have told me.

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So that's part of the problem. And, you know, you tend to have restarts determine the end of the race. So that's part of the problem. But the rest...

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So is that a problem your secret friends that have told you that comes from the new design of the car?

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No, it's a motor issue.

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Oh, it's a motor issue.

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Why would that suddenly be a problem this season?

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I don't know.

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That's all I know is that the low-end torque is...

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Well, you can't just bring half information. What is this?

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If you're going to bring secret information, bring all of it.

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That's all I know, Jim PERSON.

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Although, to be honest, if you knew the answer,

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you'd probably be telling somebody over there, right?

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Because they would have already fixed it.

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Well, let's see. Remember last year, the Ford ORG's are underpowered, so maybe they tried to get more power, but they missed it on the load.

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But by giving more power, it affected the low-end torque.

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I really don't know.

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I know they have a new car.

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But that doesn't explain why they haven't want a race in trucks or Exfinity ORG either.

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No, no, that is.

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Which is sort of unusual.

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I mean, there is a product of they have probably the biggest group of inexperienced drivers in top teams, in Cup anyway.

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They don't have many teams in Exfinity and Trucks ORG.

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So to say they haven't won is not that huge of deal.

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But I think the situation in Cup is,

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I think the one that part that stands out to me the most is that it's actually

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Stuart Haas PERSON that sometimes ends up having the most consistent runs when they're good,

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when they have the most inexperienced drivers, honestly.

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Penske seems, it's really strange to me that Ryan PERSON can run.

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He doesn't contend, he's like he's been in sort of contention,

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but he seems to be the most consistent performer out of Penske ORG,

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and it's just odd to me that one guy stands out far more than the others.

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I mean, I know Lewis pointed out that Joey's won polls and started up front, but if you can't do

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anything with it, what's the point, right?

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I mean, it makes you wonder if Ryan could do, although Ryan started second this past weekend,

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maybe that helped because he's typically not been the best qualifier.

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But it's just, they seem to be all over the mat, really.

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Yeah.

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Very inconsistent.

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And like you said, I don't know if a Ford driver has really want, I mean, other than Ryan PERSON.

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Michael McDowell PERSON.

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Michael McDowell's PERSON.

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Put a one Talladega FAC.

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Yeah. Yeah. And he, and he's done well in qualifying too. But they can't seem to replicate it in the race.

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Yeah, they have things go wrong during the race.

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Yeah, and so you can't really tell if they actually have the capability of running up front because something generally happens.

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Yeah.

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And to go back to McDowell, he seems to do the best on the super speedways and only four races on the super super speedways, right?

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But he's had speed other places.

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You know, but he's had like this season, he's actually qualified well and had speed at other tracks. But as Brett PERSON pointed out, sometimes something happens.

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Like they have a mechanical issue. He had a hub issue at Dover FAC and, you know, finished. Or gets caught up in an accident or something. Yeah, because he started eight. I mean, in matter of fact, front row may have the most speed among the fords.

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Right. That's what I mean, that's the thing. When in practice and qualifying, they have been like people that you have generally seen up there. And he and Todd Gillen have at times made it to the final 10.They just can't turn it into something on race day.

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He's 29th. McDowell's 29th and the points.

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So he's not closing. No.

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Although he might have closed the Talladega FAC if he steered a little less left.

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Or maybe made one less block. Yeah.

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Well, it was interesting to listen to him talk about that because, I mean, he basically feels like the position he's in now, he's going to need a win.

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Right.

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He doesn't think where he's at now, he's going to be able to point his way into the playoffs. And so it was, he was going for a win. And he felt like he needed to block Kislowski PERSON if he was going to be able to get that win. Because if he didn't make that second move, that Kislowski PERSON is going to blow past him and win the race.

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I mean, I understand that.

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I mean, I don't blame him either.

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The thing of it is, is like, you don't, I mean, Brad PERSON was not, he wasn't clear. So did his spotter just not tell him? Because it, okay, so you're going to make the, you're just going to try it anyway? Yeah.

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I mean, whether, I mean, I just don't know if, it could have been just a split second decision.

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Oh, I'm going to do it again. But I mean, in that situation, I don't know how multiple blocks has ever been successful for anybody, right? I mean. Yeah, and that definitely was not an arrow block. No.

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That was a full-body block.

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Funny how those things happen.

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Well, this is not a week where you'd look at it to say that they got a great shot at Kansas because the last time a Ford won to Kansas, it was Joey Legano back in the second race of 2020.

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And before that, the COVID era.

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Yeah, before that you go to Kislauski in 2019.

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Oh, it's been a Toyota ORG track recently.

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It's been a Toyota ORG track. And particularly a 2311 FAC track. Yeah, well, we're going to talk about that a little bit later on. Let's talk about that arrow blocking thing. It seems to be the big topic this week that a lot of the drivers are talking about. Is it really a new thing or is it just a new name for an old thing?We'll talk about that when we come back.

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And welcome back. Jim Utter PERSON from motorsport.com. Now arrow blocking Lewis Frank and Roller PERSON. I'm moving over, Lou PERSON.

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I'm going to put my foot on the throttle.

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I would force block.

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Force block.

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You know, this is, all of a sudden, this has become this huge thing this week.

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It's like, to me, it's like arrow push.

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They've taken away the side drafts.

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So now they're arrow blocking, which is just blocking.

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Jim PERSON, this is a big deal about nothing.

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This has happened for years and years in this sport.

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Of course it is.

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It's just a new name.

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What it is is the reason that someone comes up for why they didn't win.

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You come up with new words, new phrases, new things, but what it boils down to is it's the reason the person didn't win.

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Was Denny Hamlin PERSON talking about arrow blocking?

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No. Why? Because he won.

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Who else was talking about arrow blocking? The people

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that were trying to beat Denny Hamlin PERSON. It would just be, it's just, it's the same thing on super speedways

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about blocking or the bottom line is there's no rule against blocking in NASCAR ORG. If you can't get around the person that's, that's, and they're trying to prevent you from doing so. To me, that's sort of the object of racing. And whether you call it arrow blocking, moving around the track, trying different lines, it's all the same and it's all an excuse for why you didn't win.

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I can't top gym.

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So let me go off on a tangent.

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How about more horsepower?

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Yon. Oh, my God. Too expensive. Too expensive. No, here's the thing. How about more horsepower? Yon.

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Oh, my God.

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Too expensive.

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No, here's the thing.

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I'm glad you brought this up because I've continued to have this argument with people. Yeah. Everybody says more horsepower. Yeah. Wouldn't we just have the same issues but going faster? Everybody gets the same horsepower if you add horsepower.Yeah.

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What's the difference? Some people know how to use the throttle better than others.

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So in other words, you're saying, let me, let me reward some special drivers and penalize some others?

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You can't have a totally even playing field.

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It's not.

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Or else they would go across the, they'd go across the strike and flag 41.

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I mean, there, there has to be some difference.

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What people want is, and I don't blame them, for instance, people want what they're good at.

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Right.

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Right?

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There are some people who are better at manipulating and driving and racing when they are on and off the throttle more,

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okay, which requires more horsepower. But the fact, but the, but the, it's a false premise to say

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adding horsepower fixes everybody's problem. It doesn't. It gives some people a tool to separate

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themselves from others. Not everybody, right?

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Yes.

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So adding horsepower is not a fix for everybody.

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It's a fix for some people. I just think we would still have the same arrow. Like Brett said, we've been talking about Arrow PRODUCT long before there was a next-gen car.

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That I agree. You know, Brett, Jim PERSON and I have these debates in person, too, but we, I don't get paid for this.

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At least that. Today you're getting paid. Yeah. But the thing is, you know, Kyle Larson PERSON makes the comment

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Lewis PERSON. He goes, that with this whole blocking thing. Yep. Well, we need to take the cameras, because they do have cameras in the car that basically looks out the back into the car.

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He says, get the cameras out of the car so you can't block by watching the camera out in the car. What's the difference between the camera looking out the back of the car in a rearview mirror that we all have in our own cars? Don't you? People get on the highway and cut you off?

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Or how about this? You still got a spotter? Yeah.

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What's he going to shut up?

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I mean, he's still going to tell you people's coming. I think somebody actually said that after the race at Dover FAC.

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I wasn't there, but somebody pointed out, we still got spotters.

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I mean, I don't, you know, again, I think it's throwing out, trying to throw out easy, quick fix solutions to problems that, number one, may not be problems per se. And number two, don't necessarily need a answer.

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To me, the whole thing, Lewis PERSON, is when they talk about the arrow blocking thing, especially battling for the lead, what it is, is it's code for clean air is still king.

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Always has been. Always has been. You want to get away from traffic. That's why you see the wrecks at the end of the race. When everybody's bunched up, You want to get away from traffic. That's why you see the wrecks at the end of the race. When everybody's bunched up, you want to be as close to the front as possible.And when everybody's going slow, that's when you're going to make your passes. You know, you see more passes on restarts and you see more crashes on restart. Yep. Jim PERSON is a great debater. I got to give him that.

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Never made any money off of it, though.

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But I think that's the thing. I think Jim PERSON, you hit it on the head.

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Denny Hamble PERSON's not complained about guys arrow blocking.

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We've seen it on super speedways. We've seen it all the time. And it's, it is. It's supposed to be hard to pass a guy. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. It's like they're using

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every advantage that they have to try not to get passed. That Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. It's like they're using every advantage that

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they have to try not to get past. That's, to me, that's the object of being out front. There's a

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difference, though, between that and say like a lap down car who's in the way and already laps down

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and should get out of the way. I mean, to me, that's, you know, we, we see both taking place navigating lap traffic.

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And, but a guy who's out front who is trying, running all over the track or running close to someone in order to prevent from being passed, you know, I don't see anything wrong with that. And everybody was like, you know, it's so hard. The whole premise of it's so hard to pass, I don't know where it says in racing that you're supposed to be able to. Generally it does if you're, you are, you would think you could if you're the faster car.And that's where I think people come up with the horsepower thing and an arrow where they think that someone is actually faster, but they can't physically get around the car ahead of them. Maybe there is something to that in terms of horsepower and navigating your way around the track. But to me, it's just people with a different set of rules, some have been able to master them with the next gen car,and some have not been able to replicate what they used to do in the old car.

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Lewis PERSON, how is arrow blocking any different from maybe the leader? As a guy maybe tries to go inside of him, a leader trying to pinch the guy down to cut him off that way, or maybe if the guy tries to go outside and try to ride him up the track a little bit. Those are all tools in your toolbox.

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Absolutely. And if you go back in the day, Dahl Earnhardt PERSON would rattle the cage of someone who got in his way. He was faster. And again, physics, physics.

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It doesn't change.

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And this was before aerodynamics

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quite as important as it is today.

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And so nobody says to Jim PERSON's point, the leader has to, oh, I have to give up my position because the guy thinks he's faster behind me. So go back to the DeLer-Learnhardt days. As long as you hit flat on, you know, not on a quarter, the rear corner panel, push him out of the way then if he's blocking.

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You heard it. Lewis PERSON said, get out the way.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's the thing. Kyle Larson PERSON, I mean, people were going,

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you know, Kyle should have done to him like Hamlin did to Kyle at Pocono last year. Well, I was standing there watching it. Kyle PERSON never got to his bumper. That whole time at Dover FAC. He was never able to get to Denny ORG's bumper. He got maybe within a half a car length, but he never got to his bumper. Yeah, you can Dover, he was never able to get to Denny ORG's bumper. He got maybe withina half a car link, but he never got to his bumper. Yeah, you can't do the bump and run if you can't

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touch. Exactly. Right. Yeah, exactly. So that's the way it goes. I guess he didn't even get

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close enough to arrow block or arrow push. Can you arrow push from behind? I don't know. I don't

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know. There's the bubble. Is he a bubble of air work that way? Well, that's for 2025.

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We'll be.

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We'll see.

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All right.

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When we come back, a little controversy.

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Okay, it was more than a little controversy.

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A lot of controversy out of the IndyCar series.

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Some big cheating going on.

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We'll talk about that if we come back.

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Yeah, six weeks later that the push to pass button in the Penske cars at Tampa at St. Pete GPE,

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yeah, at St. Pete FAC were supposed to be disabled on restarts, but wasn't.

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And the win was taken away from Joseph Newgarden PERSON.

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And this is pretty significant. I mean, he won the race, but he was pushing the push to pass button, giving these cars more power when they weren't supposed to have it, Lewis PERSON. And this is, this went pretty deep. You know, when you're talking about Penske ORG, who owns the series. And, I mean, the highest profile guy in the series along with chip ganassi and hit three cars disqualified from the the race at st pete FAC includingthe winner uh this went pretty deep into the into they claim it was something that was in the car

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that they forgot to take out yeah this was and the only three cars were the Penske ORG cars. So like I was saying earlier off the air, there's not, you're concerned about coincidences, is really coincidence. Some of the other team owners were not happy with Roger PERSON, more than not happy. I'm looking at Jim PERSON now. They should be.

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What did they say happen?

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Okay, so here's how it works.

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Push to pass gives you 50 or 60 more horsepower, 200 seconds in 20-second burst so you could take less. The rule is you cannot use push-to-pass on the first lap of the restart. And I didn't poll every driver in the paddock, that's garage in NASCAR ORG, that a lot of the drivers push the pass anyway. However, there's supposed to be a button when you push the pass and it's not working. A light goes on and says, uh-uh, inoperable. But on the Penskecars, it worked. And Joseph pushed and Scott McLaughlin pushed. Will Power PERSON knew that he wasn't allowed to do it, use it, and he didn't. And the question is, if you want to get a little more inside baseball, they had disabled it. The next race after St. Petersburg was thermal, which was a non-points race. And they had tested the hybrid engine,and they said they had just left it on. Now, that really is the crux. So they left it on. Now, did IndyCar leave it on? Did Penske change the software, Team Penske ORG? I don't have the answer, but I'll let Jim PERSON come up. Well, I don't have the answer, but I'll let Jim come. Well, I don't have the

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answer to that either. But you have an opinion. It's Peski PERSON's cars. Who else would turn him on and off?

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Okay, it's the series and yes, he owns the series. But does, does the CEO of a multi-billion

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dollar public corporation who has a lot of things going on,

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including racing in NASCAR, including racing in the World Championship EVENT. Roger PERSON has always said racing is a very small part of my business. And he's a very detailed man. This guy goes for detail. So did he know? He does go for detail?

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Very detailed man? He's been known to go for detail. Okay. So you're saying, but not this detail. I don't know. I'm just saying the bigger problem here is that this, to me, exposed a problem that existed when Roger bought the series that was sort of glossed over, in my opinion, by everyone because it was Roger Penske that was buying the series. It wasn't glossed over.

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Yes, it was glossed over because nobody seriously talked about it or brought up the problem

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of what would happen if a Penske ORG team was caught cheating, regardless of whatever it was.

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And the idea was, is that Roger PERSON said that he was not part of the competition,

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would not be a part of competition decisions at Team Penske ORG. But the bigger issue is,

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if someone owns a series that has a rulebook, what does it say when your own teams can't or refuse to follow it?

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when your own teams can't or refuse to follow it. What hope does that give everyone else who participates that the series is being run fairly? I'm not saying it wasn't, but you certainly know you've said it many times, perception becomes reality. Yep.All right? So whether there's no way that this wasn't intentional. I'll give you that. Okay. So whether there's no way that this wasn't intentional. I'll give you that. Okay.

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So regardless of whether Roger Penske PERSON participates in competition decisions,

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my thing is, is what is the bigger issue here of if the guys' teams who owns the series cheat, why shouldn't everyone else?

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I don't know why everyone else should cheat, but, and I disagree with you. I remember back in 2019, there were people who said, well, what if he's buying the series, is it going to be fair? Maybe not the level you want to say, but I remember people brought it up.

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Oh, okay, and what happened about that? Nothing. Nothing. Okay. And now here we are, what year was that?

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2019. So here we are five years later. And you have a ridiculously blatant cheating scandal.

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And everybody seems shocked. I just don't understand why. My question is, how does it take them six weeks to discover

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this when IndyCar ORG can, I mean, they track how much time you've used. I do not know much about

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IndyCar, all right? And Lewis PERSON can attest to that. But I do know this. I do know that push to pass

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is real-time data. Yep. Yeah.

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Because I've seen it on the broadcasts, which brings in another issue.

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Why didn't television know that the three Penske ORG cars were pushing to pass at the time it happened?

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I can't.

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It's a, as you pointed out, it's a device whose amount is controlled and is measured to the point where it's used up.

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Correct.

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So if someone was using it on the restarts in the first race of the season, why didn't all the people who get the data of push to pass see it at the time?

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Above my pay grade. I don't know.

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But a question to me has not been satisfactorily answered either by IndyCar ORG or even mentioned by the television partner.

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Yeah. No, it's a fair point.

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So, Lewis, how does Indy FACCar bounce back from this? I mean, obviously, you're coming up to the biggest month of the year for Indy car.

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Well, we don't push to pass at Indy FAC.

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That's right.

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There's no push.

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Yes, there is.

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But the thing is, yeah, the series has a lot to do to regain the confidence of the other team owners.

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It's such a technical issue, though. I mean, you say cheating everybody understands, but it's a a technical issue, though. I mean, you say cheating everybody understands, but it's a very technical issue. It's hard for me to explain. I was a lawyer, not an engineer. But Jim PERSON states a right.I mean, there is the data, and they have to be more scrupulous about monitoring it, and why TV didn't say anything. I have no idea. I don't know the answer. I mean, I just writethe stories about the stuff. I don't know, Jim PERSON. I'm going to be, I don't know.

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Lewis PERSON asked questions.

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Did you, do you think it tainted the series, Brett PERSON?

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I think it gives it a black eye.

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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. When you got three, three primary cars, I mean, that would be like, you know, say the Hendrick ORG stable all of a sudden, all three, you know, four Hendrick cars get nailed for the same thing.

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Now, to me, it is a little disingenuous for team owners to complain if they are a team owner who's been caught violating some other rule.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Don't, don't be going to run in and say, I can't believe that these people did something

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when you yourself have violated some rule.

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I think to me, the bigger thing is, you know, is like, aren't, shouldn't, maybe they should be held at a higher standard because the owner owns the their owner owns the series or what's the point of the rule book if the owner series teams doesn't even follow it these are issues indy car faces they as they go into the big of their

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biggest race and i don't um you know and i don't know i don't know if it resonates with fans but

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the whole thing about changing the winner six weeks after, that can't be good, in my opinion. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I did like his tweet, though. Or excuse me, X, whatever we call it.

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Yeah, but he didn't, he didn't, oh, that was Denny ORG. Would you even want the trophies next week's later?

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Trophies a trophy.

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Someone throw confetti in his house.

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I asked him about it.

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What the check?

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The check might be more important.

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The check would be more important.

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All right.

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Lewis, Frankfurt, Reuters, Brett McMillan PERSON. Glad to have you with us. Before we talk about Cannes EVENT.

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We now return to the NASCAR ORG.

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Welcome back.

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Sorry for the interrupt.

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Pardon the interruption.

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We will not be pushing to pass in this segment.

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Before we talked to out of Kansas GPE,

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I wanted to talk about a couple of the guys.

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We mentioned Noah Gregson PERSON already,

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and he's had a couple really good runs lately.

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But this Carson Quaple PERSON,

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this kid had a heck of a run at Dover FAC, and darn near pulled a win out. And when he was leading him late in that race, he was driving like a veteran.

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You know, it was impressive to watch. I wasn't there in person. I was watching on television this weekend. And the thing I most remember about that race is, although it was big for Ryan Truex PERSON to win and kind of shocking that he were to win the same race one year later.And I'm still not sure how it happened. But the thing that most come away from that race was that ridiculously three-wide pass for the lead by Carson before the second overtime that got him the lead, which unfortunately, you know, he lost. But that man, that was, I mean, he stayed up, first of all,he stayed up front all day, which is impressive to do at Dover for anyone, let alone a guy who's making his second series start. And then to have the confidence to make that kind of move at Dover FAC, which is, I would say, generally frowned upon, or not something you see very often. I just thought the whole thing was impressive and even hit it's like he the only thing he could have done better was actually win but I think he still did really

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I think he still came away as the winner in a way because he really impressed a lot of people

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yeah he did I didn't see the race but boo I was I was at this other controversy but he heard it was good yeah I just remember Talladega FAC when't see the race, but... Boo. I was at this other controversy.

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But he heard it was good. Yeah.

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Now, I just remember Talladega when I see the seven and the double-sevents. If it happened in Las Vegas, what would have been the odds of three sevens in the wall? I don't know.

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Yeah. Okay. I've stopped the conversation. But I will see someone to look up to. Yes.

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There you go. Six foot four? Yeah, no, he was.

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Six?

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No, very, very impressive.

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And then the kid, I mean, obviously,

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Junior PERSON's got him in his stable and we'll be hanging on to the kid.

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Yeah. He's got a couple. I mean, you know, he's been good at picking out some people that are coming up young kids.

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Yep, absolutely. All right. We've got Kansas this week. We've talked about a little bit before. This has been Toyota ORG's playground. I mean, Toyota has four straight wins here.Three of them by 2311, by three different drivers, by the way. And Denny Hamlin has another one. So that's three of the last four races. Kurt Bush, Bubba Wallace, Denny Hamlin, Tyler Reddick PERSON. Any reason to believe, Lewis, that it's not going to be Toyota ORG again this time?

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I looked up the last 10 races, and all I got to say is, you know, and Denny's won three going back, not too much further in that. And as Jim PERSON said, he's on a roll now. So I don't see much change. Yeah, obviously Kansas is a lot different than Dover FAC, but Dover FAC has been a playground for these guys.So I don't.

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I can't see. I mean, it's hard to fathom Toyota ORG not being in the mix. Out of the two cars that brought significantly new bodies this season, I think it's fair to say Toyota ORG's gotten shown them, they've gotten more out of theirs than Ford ORG to begin with. And then you go back to the most recent resultswhere they've just been really, really good at Kansas and particularly 20. I don't know what the secret for 2311 FAC is and why Kansas GPE of all places. You know what I mean?

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It's not, not, it's a 1.5 mile track similar to many of the others, but it's,

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maybe it's a little bit more racy and that, that helps.

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But I mean, it's, I mean, I just, if I don't see Tyler Ruddick and Bubba Wallace PERSON in the mix from day, from, you know, hour one there, I'd be shocked.

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And, and probably, you know, the Joe Gibbs PERSON guys, too. Yeah.

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I mean, maybe one of them was carrying ruby red slippers or something around. Yeah.

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Okay. I mean, it would be a bigger story if we go there and they all aren't good.

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Yes. That would be the bigger. That would be the shock. Well, I mean, you go back, you know, we talk about four in a row, five of six because Kyle Bush won the sixth most recent race there.

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When he was still at Gibbs ORG. The other guy in the mix is Kyle Arson. So, I mean, and he's been the one battling. Kyle Arson, who raced Denny Hamlin for the win last weekend.

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It's like the whole thing could happen all over again.

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Yeah.

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Well, and he's been the guy battling some of these these Toyotas PRODUCT for these wins in the last

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couple of years. And now he's led the most laps. He's been the most consistent because he's looked at the points. Again, as I said, are stage points, stage wins. So it's probablyyou know, at the moment, you know, it's based on, I see, Larson against the Toyotas PRODUCT.

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I will say, though, that Kansas GPE presents an opportunity for something unexpected in the sense that there seems to be typically a lot of mayhem. The restarts there are just crazy. And there's always, as Lewis PERSON pointed out earlier, on restarts, there's always the potential for something big to happen, whether it be a wreck or being able to pass or something. And I think it's been, I would say, one of the more racier tracks that we've had since the introduction of the next gen car.

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Yeah, we've seen guys be able to make up some ground late in the race, you know, charge back from some, you know, and give guys a threat late in the race. I mean, it's, yeah, I think Vegas GPE have been doing the same thing.

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Yeah. I mean, I, um, to me, the intermediate tracks have been really good, but Kansas GPE in particular has put on some of the best racing. Isn't it ironic years ago?

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We, well, everybody hated intermediate tracks.

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I know.

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We've come full circle.

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Yes.

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Well, you, you've said that to me time after time that people,

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either they complain there's too many yellows, too many greens. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, that's the thing about when you get older, you find out, it's just the same stuff over and over

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again. It just goes in a cycle. Yeah, absolutely. Now intermediate... Too many cautions, not enough cautions.

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Now intermediate tax...

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Hate debris. Now we look for debris.

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It was too cold and over on Saturday.

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It was too hot on Sunday.

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We want the tires to give up.

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We don't want the tires to give up.

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Full circle.

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Everything comes back.

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I guess that's why the important thing is,

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somebody told me to save everything you do.

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Right?

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Because eventually you're going to use it again.

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Exactly. Just like style.

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Lewis is admiring the world's largest rubber duck from Dover last week.

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60 feet tall.

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It's quack up. We don't know that he ever got attacked by Miles of Monster.

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I hear it's quack up to be very, very, thrilling.

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There you go.

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You can keep trying.

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We'll just take that joke and go down with it. All right. All right. I'm not for white flag laps. First up for Reuters, it's Lewis, Frank PERSON. All right. But I'm bummed. I'm not for a white flag lapse. First up for Reuters, it's Lewis, Frank PERSON.

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All right.

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Cameras, rearview cameras,

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aero drag. The car is more defensive than offensive now. What? Yeah. I mean, I just don't get it. But drivers,you know, they get paid to complain to as well as get paid to win. There you go.

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All right. Next up from motorsport.com, it's Jim Hunter.

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I'm not really sure what to say to that. To me, like, I just think that this season has been like one week after one week of people trying to come up with some new issue that are controversy when there really isn't any. And I was just like, can we not just focus on the product, which is the race? I mean, to be honest, it probably wasn't the best over race. But I thought the one-on-one battle that became Kyle Larson versus Denny Hamlin PERSON at the end, to me, was an exhibition of some of what these, the best of what these guys do. And I hate that it basically gets sort of minimized into some sort of issue that isn't really an issue at all.It's just how you race right now. And I'm sure if we all look back every era of racing, there's been a different way that people raced. And this is the way we race now. And I thought we saw a clinic of two of the best at it. And I think we might see an exact repeat this weekend at Kansas GPE.

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Good chance of that. Well, from our blinking you may have missed it department, a little note that popped out of the NFL draft that could end up affecting NASCAR ORG. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in an interview that his dream is to move to an 18-game regular season and have a Super Bowl on President's Day weekend. Problem is, another Super Bowl EVENT has been occupied in that space. NASCAR's version, the Daytona 500 EVENT.If you don't believe that the NFL of sports 800-pound gorilla, just watch what happens if they do move to that date. As appealing as the Daytona 500 Super Bowl EVENT double-header would be, instead of watching six and a half hours of Super Bowl EVENT pregame, it's not going to happen. So what would happen?Well, I figure one of two things. Either we pushed the start of the NASCAR ORG season back one week and have it the Sunday after the Super Bowl EVENT just like it is now. Or you could slide the Daytona 500 into the NFL's off week before the Super Bowl and get a jump start to the year. And if you do that, you might buy yourself room for a week off later in the season. Talk about a win-win for everybody.Lewis, Jim PERSON, thanks a lot for being with us. I appreciate it. We'll talk to you next week on the O'Reilly Auto Parts Pit Reporters. The O'Reilly Auto Parts Pit Reporters on the Performance Racing Network ORG was presented by

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