Episode 216 - The Strangers

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Hi, I'm John Paul Vasquez PERSON. Hi, I'm Travis Hunter PERSON.

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This week, we're recording live from a secluded house discussing the 2008 home invasion horror film, The Strangers WORK_OF_ART. This film was written and directed by Brian Bertino PERSON.In his directorial debut, Bertino PERSON utilizes an innate fear that almost everyone possesses. With the realistic scenario, authentic performances, and those striking masks, this film took the horror world by storm. The Strangers WORK_OF_ART is an iconic entry into the home invasion subgenre, spawning its own franchiseand cult status as a modern horror classic. This film was requested to us by Friends of the Show, Kristen Lofton, Megan M., David Seale, Scott Troutman-Wise, Danny Torrance 237, Amy Goodman, Skank Sinatra, and Beth Bauer PERSON. We want to thank them all for their support as well as this suggestion. So what did you guys think of the strangers the first time you saw it?

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So I remember watching this movie for the very first time, baby. You showed me

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this movie. I can't remember. I know it's been some time. Like it's been a long time that we

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watched it. And for me, the movie isn't bad. I do remember being like, okay, you know, I get it.

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There's just some things that were kind of like funny to me. I kind of stood out and I was just like, huh, watching it for the show, I was able to tell now what those things were and why the movie didn't work as good for me. I will say, and I'll say this, because I know we do talk about nostalgia a lot, I have zero nostalgia for this movie.

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Like, he's like none. But I did, I do like the stuff that they do have here. Now, it did make me think of another movie that came out in O2 called Panic Room WORK_OF_ART. Okay. Which, um, I remember liking that a little better. Um, but this is kind of a, I guess, different same scenario.I don't know. Um, it's still a room, people outside trying to get in. Um, I mean, same shit. It's still a room, people outside trying to get in. Same thing.

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It's the purge, too. Oh, yeah, the purge.

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But yeah, I do like a lot of what's going on in the movie. I just feel like there's a lot of, there's a trope that goes on a little too long in this movie for me, and it made me want to kind of slam my head against the wall, but I was like, alright, you know.

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Let's see where this is going.

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I remember the first time I watched this.

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I feel like I'm 99% sure that we saw it in the theater together.

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We did.

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Because there was a story attached to it that is very, very funny. I'm sure you will tell very short.

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But I loved this the first time I saw it. And in fact, I think I saw it more than once in the theater.

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Okay. It was a very interesting experience. It felt like very well-paced that it just kind of goes through and you experience the horrors of this one terrible night. Right, right. And I think for me, home invasion horror works for me because of what it does,it takes this place where you are supposed to feel your safest.

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And it makes you terrified there. It's the same with, I guess, like a nightmare on Elm Street where you're like, you should be able to sleep.

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This is not fair.

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No.

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Well, the nightmare on Elm Street kind of ended a little different than this movie did.

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Well, that's true. Yeah.

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Yeah. I actually thoroughly enjoyed The Nightmare and Elm Street WORK_OF_ART on a rewatch. Yeah. Oh, wow.

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I, look, I enjoy this film, and I do have that nostalgia for it.

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Yeah.

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But I think that there is such a hit or miss situation with the scares in this film.

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Yeah.

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Where some of them are so perfectly crafted, they are just expertly tense and suspenseful. Okay. Yeah. And then other scares only makes sense if we're in a different subgenre. Mm-hmm.Because you're like, people don't move like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. It's not possible to do this. I was going to wait to call on it.

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No, we'll talk about it.

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But it got, and I will say, you know, you can say the same thing.

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And there's a lot of homages that I appreciate.

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Yeah.

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A lot of classic horror films that are referenced slyly and not too heavy-handedly.

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Heavy-handedly?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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But I forgive it in a lot of those horror films

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because there is a feeling,

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not of a lack of realism.

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Right.

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But when Michael Myers PERSON moves a certain way,

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you're like, he's Michael Myers PERSON.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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But I feel like Michael,

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something like that, like Halloween,

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we get what we're getting there.

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Yes.

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And we understand that.

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This is, I guess it's like it's saying it's an everyday situation.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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That's the thing and that's where I have that disconnect. Right. Because this is supposed to be like the horrors of reality. Right.

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Yeah. This can happen to anyone is basically the whole mantra of the movie.

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Yeah. Which makes it scary. Yeah. Which, and I will say because as I'm watching it, I was coming up with like a twist ending rewrite.

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I was too.

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I'm sure it's the same.

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It probably is. Because it feels that way.

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Yes. And there's so many moments that feel like it's setting that up.

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Yeah. And then you're watching it and you're like, oh yeah, that doesn't happen at all. Yeah. But to be honest, I feel like that is a strike against it for me is its narrative. Yeah. And I feel like adding some of those things that I thought we were leading towards could help it.Yeah. But then it also hurts the randomness of it. Yeah.

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Okay.

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And so I know we'll talk about it later. But I did just want to make mention of the fact that I, I guess I have a fan fiction of this. Waiting.

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But no, I love the performances in this film, especially Liv Tyler PERSON.

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Oh, yeah.

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The music is fantastic, and we'll talk about it a little bit later. Because the way that it's used, it almost feels as if there's no music at all sometimes.

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Yeah. It's very, very expertly done. I love the cinematography and the camera work. I love those masks. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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A lot. And I feel like it is so clear why this film is iconic and why so many people love it so much. Mm-hmm. And then it's also clear why a lot of people just do not like it at all.

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Yeah. So it's a mixed bag, but I do have fun with it. No, for sure.

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Yeah.

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My first experience with the film was at the movies with UT ORG as well.

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And I'll just get the story out of the way.

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I can't remember if we've told this on Talk Morning before because I have two stories about this movie

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scaring the hell out of me way after the fact. But we had got home and my one of our parents was setting the alarm because it was late,

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you know, obviously we were getting home from the movies or whatever. This scared the shit out of me. And the whole point as to why this is happening really got in and disturbed me. And I feel like not to go off on a tangent, but if I really loved this, I still have love for it and I still like it.But I think that if I had just let the strangers exist in my memory and not revisit it, I'd be like that movie is fucking amazing.

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Because that's how I felt about it.

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But anyway, we get home. They're setting the alarm. And I tell T PERSON, I go, you know, I know we set alarms to keep people out. But what if they're already in? Because I'm an asshole. And Tee PERSON was like,

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like Tee PERSON was fucking pissed at me. Well, you're trying to scare. I was trying to scare him. You know, I will say little brothers get a really bad rap. Big sisters. It's our duty. I'm trying

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to prepare you for the real world. Um, anyway, so he's, you. So, he's our duty. I'm trying to prepare you for the real world.

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I'm preparing you for the real world.

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Anyway, so he got all mad at me and I was like,

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but like making him scared made me a little less scared.

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So whatever.

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Oh, that's great.

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It made me feel better about myself.

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So everybody goes to bed and I get up in the middle of the night to get water or

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something from the kitchen and I see myself, I see I get up in the middle of the night to get water or something from the kitchen.

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And I see myself, I see my own reflection in the like like the sliding glass patio doors and almost fucking pissed my shit.

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It scared the hell out of me.

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Meanwhile, I'm like, me, me, me, me, me.

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He's sleeping peacefully.

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Yeah. So it did backfire on me. he's sleeping peacefully. Now I'm up all night.

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So it did backfire on me.

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But no, I really loved this.

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The seeming randomness of it all really disturbed me, really scared me.

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There is an instance that, and I know I'm almost positive.

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I've told this story on talk mortim, but we'll get to it when it happens that I was like,

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never in life are you going to catch me slipping like that?

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Right.

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And I thought that I was able to apply it to my real life and I overreacted.

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Admittedly, but it, seeing it when I did, seeing it in the theater, seeing it at the age I did,

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because we were still teenagers, it really fucking scared me.

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And I was really shocked to learn that this was his directorial debut.

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I will say there are the way that certain moments play out.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You feel his adeptness at crafting suspense.

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Yeah.

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I mean, in some moments are really successful.

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Yeah.

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It was interesting to me too because I didn't realize until I was kind of digging in and

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researching for this that he also wrote and directed the dark in the wicked.

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Yeah, which really shocked me.

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Maybe whenever it came out, I think we watched it on Shutter.

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Yeah.

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Scared the hell out of me in a way that a film really hasn't in a long time.

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Yeah, I was going to say, I think it gave all of us the Willys PERSON.

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Yeah. It was pretty, pretty creepy. Yeah., I was going to say, I think it gave all of us the willies. Yeah.

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It was pretty, pretty creepy.

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Yeah.

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But it was during that time, I remember, like, none of it. I remember, like, two things from it, and that's it.

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There's two things you can't forget.

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Yeah.

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But I did want to talk a little bit about how the film came to be and how Bertino PERSON ended up directing it.

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I did get some really interesting information from an LA Times article, but Bertino PERSON said that

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he had been working as a gaffer on commercials and low budget films just trying to get enough

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hours to get into the electricians union.

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Oh, wow.

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I thought that was really interesting.

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So, like, film and stuff was not his goal at the time.

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Yeah.

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What does the giraffe have to do with electricity?

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They love it.

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They love it.

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But he had written this script at the time it was called The Faces WORK_OF_ART.

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And he submitted it to the Nickel Fellowship, which awards the winner with $30,000 to put toward making that script into a film.

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Damn.

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That's pretty cool.

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Very cool. So he made it to the film. Damn, that's pretty cool. Very cool. So he made it to the quarter finals, but didn't win. But the script caught so much attention that he ended up getting a meeting with Vertigo Entertainment ORG,who had just done the grudge.

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Okay.

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So the meeting, they weren't like, give it to us or anything, but the meeting had emboldened him to literally quit his job and start pursuing trying to make something work with the faces, aka the strangers.Okay.

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And it said within days he was able to sell the script to Universal ORG.

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Good Lord.

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Which it's like, okay.

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Yeah.

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Save some for the rest of us.

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But I mean, it's a great story.

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There is something very interesting about the script that I'll talk about a little bit later with the production designer.

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But apparently it is very, very detailed and very well written.

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It was also, and we just talked about this on Mars LOC attacks, but it was a lot darker.

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Okay.

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There was a different ending.

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It feels like, I mean, the story is the same, but a lot of the tone and stuff changed.

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So I would be interested to get my hands on that and see what it was like before.

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Well, part of me is like darker than this ending, how?

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We'll talk.

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I know what it was.

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They even filmed it.

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Really?

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And then test audiences were like, we don't like this.

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So they went and changed it.

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Test audiences are mortal enemy. We'll talk about it and we'll see what we like and what we don't like this. So they went and changed it. Test audiences. Yeah. Our mortal enemy.

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We'll talk about it and we'll see what we like and what we don't like.

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But sold it to Universal and Mark Romanoick PERSON was attached to direct.

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He wrote and directed one hour photo.

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Oh, nice.

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But again, according to this LA Times ORG article, because other sources was like, oh, it just

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didn't work out.

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Like he dropped out, whatever.

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This article was like, he refused to make this film for less than $40 million because he wanted to build an entire neighborhood on a sound stage that he could control and not have to rely on CGI for like breath, like cold breath.

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That is too much, I would say.

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Yeah, just a little bit, you know?

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40 million?

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Just for some authentic breath?

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Yeah.

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I guess like, no, I want to make it cold in here.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I thought it was interesting that he wanted an entire neighborhood built on a sound

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stage, but that specific reason being cited was very odd to me. And I guess it was odd to Universal ORG too, because they were like, absolutely not. So he was no longer attached to the project. At this point, it's been like two years since Bertino sold it to Universal ORG. Again, with no

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intention of directing it. But Universal ends up kicking it to Rogue Pictures ORG and they offered it to

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Bertino if he could do it for $9 million. He said yes.

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Okay.

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And this is what we got.

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Well, for me, I feel like such a big part of it and some of it is sold quite well. Some of it you're like, I don't know about all this. Yeah.The isolation. Yeah.

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So to build a whole neighborhood,

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it's like you don't need to even do that.

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No.

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So I'm a little just like.

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I don't know. And again, I'm reading all of these sources that are just like, oh, it didn't work out. Like, we see that

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all the time. Oh, this person almost did it. This person was almost in it. This one... Like, we see that all the time, so I didn't even think twice about it. And then I'm reading this article and they're like, he wanted no less than 40 minutes. I was like, what?They're just spilling.

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I can.

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And is that really child's breath at the end of the thing?

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Or is that CGI or do we got to? Do you remember any breath at all in this?

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I'm just saying like, is that really what we're worried about?

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I don't think any of the characters breathe in this film.

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Now before we terrorize this film,

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we would like to show a warning for spoilers.

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Pod Morton ORG is a very in-depth podcast

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and in thoroughly discussing horror films,

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we have no choice but to spoil a thing or two. If you don't wish to be spoiled, please go watch the film, then come back and enjoy the show. If you've already seen the film or don't care about spoilers,then let's open the door. The film begins with orange text on a black screen, narrated by a deep voice. What you are about to see is inspired by true events. According to the FBI, there are an estimated 1.4 million violent crimes in America each year. On the night of February 11, 2005, Kristen McKay and James Hoyt PERSON left a friend's wedding reception and returned to the Hoyt family's summer home.The brutal events that took place there are still not entirely known. So, revisiting this now,

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very Texas GPE chainsaw in more ways than one.

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In fact, I was trying to dig

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and find out who did the narration and I could not find it. I think if it were John Laricott or something crazy like that, somebody would have spilled that by now,

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but I didn't realize how much

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and I know a lot of films are like, this is based on a true story, whatever. The way it's done, I feel like it has to be intentionally.

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Oh, yeah. I feel like for done, I feel like it has to be intentionally. Oh, yeah. I feel like for me, I don't know why I forgot about this element completely. I did too. I for some reason kind of just

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thought it started where it begins. I didn't realize that there was this whole like kind of true

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crime element. Yeah. Yeah. Attached to it. Well, it, you know, lends itself to maybe he lives next door to you.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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But again, just like with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre EVENT, it's not true.

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Bertino PERSON said that he lived in a secluded house when he was young.

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And when his parents weren't home one time, somebody knocked on the front door.

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His sister answered it.

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They said, is someone here a name of somebody who didn't live there?

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Oh, I thought it was going to.

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Yeah, no.

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His sister said no, and they left.

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So come to find out, they were knocking on doors in this secluded neighborhood and breaking in and robbing

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the houses where nobody answered. Oh, okay. And so it, you know, obviously was pretty fucking

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scary because I think he said his little sister should not have been answering the door anyway.

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But the fact that she did, you know, whatever. But that's very scary and something that we kind of see reflected in the film a little bit later.

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And I mean, I understand older siblings putting their younger siblings in peril.

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I don't know anything about that. But that obviously inspired him as well as reading Helter Skelter and the Manson PERSON murders as a whole. And that is something that I read that it was, it leaned a little more Manson PERSON-y than what this film ended up as.

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Okay. I feel that very much with a lot of the methodology and writing.

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That, that, yeah, that stuck out to me as well. But he said when he was trying to write something, he was like, well, what scares me? And he thought of his girlfriend waking up, waking him up in the middle of the night and being like, I think I hear somebody in the living room.And he was like, what if I get up and I go to the living room and there is somebody in the living room.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, you kind of mesh all these things together and that's what this is. It's not any one true story.

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But we get snippets of passing down residential streets facing picturesque and oblivious houses.

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The sun begins to go down as we leave the residential neighborhood and travel down a sparsely populated country road. By the time the sun is down, we are slowly entering another neighborhood shrouded by trees. This is something that I did not remember because it feels like we're leaving the suburban area and going into the secluded area as it's becoming night.

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And it's something that I just, I don't know.

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I think that we talked about it on identity when the beginning's happening and you're just like, check the fuck out.

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Because honestly, you wonder the point of view you're in.

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Yeah.

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Exactly. Yeah. So watching it now, having seen the film, I don't even fucking know how many times, it's like, oh, we're going, we're leaving to go do something.

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But the screen goes black and an accredited 911 operator asks the caller what their emergency is. On the other end, a young boy, Jordan, whose voice is provided by Jordan Orr PERSON, breathes heavily as he tries to enunciate that there are people here. The operator tries to get him to calm down and asks where he is. What's his address? We see Mormon Boy 1, played by Alex Fisher, and Mormon Boy 2, played by Peter Clayton Luce PERSON, standing at the end of a driveway with their bikes. We pan across and see them through a shattered windshield. The broken point of impact takes the shape of a jagged heart. As we look at the boys through this heart, Jordan PERSON admits that he doesn't know where he is.When asked if he needs help, he insists that he does. She asks his name and he tells her, Jordan PERSON. He sobs asking for help. The operator asks if he knows what street he's on, but he balls that he doesn't know where they are, which he did already say.

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Mormon boy one and two slowly make their way over to the open door,

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as the operator asks who he's with. Jordan PERSON admits that they went into the house and they found people. A record's been silently on a record player, and a ring box is discarded on the floor among a confetti of rose petals. The operator asks who they found and Jordan PERSON shouts that there's blood on the walls and begs for her to help them. We see blood splattered on the walls as well as a knife covered in blood lying on the floor amongst the petals.Our view lingers on a shotgun on the kitchen counter as the operator tries to get him to calm down. But Jordan PERSON yells that there's blood everywhere. It cuts to black and we get the title in simple orange text against a black background, The Strangers WORK_OF_ART. So I will say I do enjoy films that

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begin like this where we see the aftermath first.

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It's like that backwards episode of Seinfeld

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that we all loved and grew up with.

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But I like seeing certain elements. Right. See the shotgun, the ring box, the knife, all these items. And then we kind of are like, okay, well, how are these going to be?Right, right.

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How do they end up here? Yeah.

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Kind of like you're probably wondering how I got it yeah and there's a record yeah I right now I'm

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I'm this is fine I'm like okay cool let's see what's going on I was yelling at the children to get

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out of the house because you don't know if there's anybody in there that please I understand

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you're curious and you want to help, but please call from outside.

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But no, yeah, right now I was like, this is great.

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One thing that is interesting to me, again, is just this idea of seclusion being sometimes in this film.

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That, yeah.

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That's a, that's a ding for me.

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That's a problem.

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Because, I mean, even finding what is going on here, that would insist upon the idea that it's not as secluded as...

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Yeah, because why are these boys out here?

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Yeah. You know?

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But suddenly, we're in a car at night. James Hoyt, played by Scott Speedman PERSON, clutches the steering wheel in his hand, his eyes downcast. Next to him, Kristen McKay, played by Liv Tyler PERSON, looks up at the traffic light through the windshield. Her face is streaked with tears.They're both dressed nicely. James in a black suit and Kristen PERSON in a pale purple dress. The stoplight in front of them bathes them both in an eerie red glow, making the Strangers 2008, technicallya Gialo ORG film. You're

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breaking my heart.

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This is getting old.

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It's a stoplight.

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So traffic is a

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Jiala ORG film?

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Until it turns green.

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Around

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them, the dark street is deserted

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and they wait at the light despite no other cars being on the road.

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Their glow goes from red to green as the light changes, and James drives them further down the empty road.

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As they continue further, they pass trees in a lake before finally turning in to a secluded neighborhood.

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James parks in front of a house and gets out, slamming the door behind him and causing Kristen PERSON to jump. He goes to the mailbox and takes out a stack of mail. His actions full of frustration as Kristen PERSON stays in the car and lights a cigarette, tears still sliding down

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her face. So they're not having a good time. I would say no. Yeah. And that's an, I'm not going to

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lie, another issue I have with this.

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I know we were talking off mic earlier.

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And again, watching this as a teenager and we'll get to the reasoning behind, like the tension

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in a moment.

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But I'm like, oh, dude, that sucks.

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You know what I mean?

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But watching it now, I'm like.

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There's more to it. Yeah. No, yeah.

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What?

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I will say it does set up an interesting dynamic from the start that there is this tension between them. Yeah. And you're like, oh, you know, whatever comes next, they're going to have to find a way to move past this for now or whatever.

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Yeah. So it's interesting, but I agree that there are some parts. There's some issues. I did want to talk a moment about their casting.

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It was funny to me because Liv Tyler, I believe, was the first one to sign on.

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She hadn't acted since she had had her son.

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And she was flying.

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I think she said from Japan GPE to New York or New York to Japan, something like that.

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But it was a long flight and she had like four scripts to read that people had sent in her. And she saw the strangers and thought that it was going to be

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a comedy. And so she's reading it and obviously it's not a comedy, but she fell in love with it.

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She thought that it was really interesting. She thought that it would push her out of her comfort

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zone because she's never really done anything like this before.

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And she even said that she was surprised at the strength that she found within herself to do this.

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Because some of the shit that they had that, we'll talk about it.

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But she, they went through a lot physically.

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Really?

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Yeah. But obviously she said yes and she signed on. I thought it was interesting that Tandy Newton and Charlize Theron were both interested in the role. But I think he said his first person in mind was Liv Tyler PERSON. And she said

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yes. But Scott Speedman was interested in auditioning because he heard that Live Tyler WORK_OF_ART was involved.

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And he said that if they got her, then it's going to be something good. Yeah. Well, I loved her in that thing you do.

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Yeah.

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It's unrelated, but I have to mention it.

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Yeah, and I loved her in Lord of the Rings WORK_OF_ART.

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Yeah.

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That's right, probably the more well-known.

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And I remember Scott Speedman PERSON from the underworld movies?

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Yeah, that's right.

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His name is funny.

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Is that all? I don't know if somebody named Scott Spathby PERSON, but is going to be listening and

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they're going to be like, damn it. It sounds like the superhero's alter ego. I'm pretty sure

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that's the name of the Flash. Scott Speedman? PERSON Sure. It is now. Yeah. It's canon.

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But the front door to a house opens,

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interrupting the pitch blackness inside.

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James steps inside after having unlocked the door,

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leaving Kristen PERSON on the porch to continue smoking her cigarette.

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He heads inside,

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not bothering to turn on any of the lights,

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and once she's left alone,

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Kristen PERSON puts the cigarette out and follows him in,

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closing the door behind her.

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Why?

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I don't know.

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I feel like that's the first thing you do.

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Yeah.

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In a dark secluded house at night.

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Yeah.

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Well, dad or eat dinner.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But he's mad.

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Yeah.

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So he wants to be in the dark.

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Yeah.

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Get the fuck over.

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Over again.

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What if?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah, we're going to talk a minute.

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But in the darkness, we hear a needle scratch, and when we come back up,

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lamps are lit in low lighting as Ariel Ramirez by Richard Buckner PERSON plays softly from the record player.

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Kristen looks around to see rose petals lining the couch, two champagne glasses set up next to a

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chilling bottle on the table with candles and more rose petals. Speaking for the first time since

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we've seen them, Kristen asks when he did all this. James is standing in the kitchen across the room.

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He tells her that he did it today with Mike

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while she was with the girls.

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He thought she would like it.

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He lowers his head.

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I think,

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I would hope,

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again,

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you're putting a record on,

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I feel like by the time you're here

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is just going to be hitting the dead wax. And it's just,

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how long ago did you do this? It's not going to be your song anymore.

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I just want to comment that we have, and it's not us. It's these movies. There are trends of just these like shitty men.

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And I never thought, I never looked at this film in the context of this guy kind of fucking sucks.

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But this guy kind of fucking sucks, right?

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Yeah, he's not great.

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There's, and especially a lot of choices that are made post.

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Disbelieve.

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Yeah. And the little fucking bitchy attitude right now once we find out. And I will say, again, I understand that he said. Yeah. No, yeah. I understand that he's sad yeah yeah no yeah I get it of course I do but I feel

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like he is kind of sad for the wrong reasons yeah it's let's let's get there let's get there all right

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in the bedroom Kristen PERSON's eye follows a trail of rose petals leading to the bed on the nightstand

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there's a cluster of candles just

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waiting to be lit. James appears in the doorway of the adjoining bathroom and tells her that she can have

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this room and he'll get set up somewhere else. Kristen PERSON doesn't respond, but instead takes a few

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steps closer, where she can see the bathtub whose bottom is decorated with rose petals. James admits

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that he didn't know if the roses were supposed to go in the tub before you run

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the water or after.

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And Kristen PERSON says softly that she doesn't know either.

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I don't know why this moment was kind of funny to me because it's like trying to make small talk.

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You know, I don't know either.

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Can we please be normal for like five minutes?

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Again, it's so dramatic.

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James's chuckle has no humor in it, and when he looks at her, he quickly has to look away.

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There's another bottle of champagne chilling in the bathroom, and he picks it up on his way out.

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Kristen PERSON steps out of his way as he moves past her, but he comes back.

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He gently helps her unzip the back of her dress and unclasp her necklace before placing it in her hand

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and leaving the room.

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As Kristen PERSON sits on the rim of the tub

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and tries to run herself a bath

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but finds the water to be murky,

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James sits in the living room

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and makes a call to the aforementioned Mike.

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Now I don't know if murky's the word for it. It looked red or it looked dirty. Like rusty. Right, right. It looked funny. It was just for a second. But when you turn it on the water, I was like, what the fuck is that? Uh, foreshadowing.

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Yeah.

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The evening. It's a hitting, right? Yeah. Well, and then it's fine. So I was like, maybe it's just

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like an old house. Like, I don't know. I thought it was weird too because it, it, we literally see it,

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but it's not a thing. Butames PERSON says on the phone that he knows

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mike is drunk and he might even be asleep but he needs him to come and pick him up in the morning when he

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wakes up things didn't work out the way he thought they would at all he apologizes saying that

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he knows it's a bitch to come all the way out here but the whole situation. He hangs up the phone and can't help but shake his head.

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In the tub, Kristen PERSON sits in the now clean water sadly and quietly. She rests her head on her knees as rose petals bob in the water around her and more candles line the edge of the tub.

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I feel like the phone call being made within earshot of her wasn't very cool. Yeah.

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I am just, okay, maybe this is like my experience with just like shitty people, but the whole like, you can have this room all sleep in here.

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Like it all feels very manipulative and like performative almost.

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Things didn't work out the way I thought they would at all.

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He's like yelling at the bathroom door.

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It's like, yeah.

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He moves the phone from his ear.

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Mike, Mike, can you hear me?

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Dude, go outside and have his phone call.

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Yeah.

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You're totally right, dude.

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Because that, the, I'll set up somewhere else bugged me, but you're totally right.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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In a flashback, her current quiet reflectiveness is in stark contrast to her giggling and

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sipping champagne at the wedding earlier that night. She turns away from the people she's sitting with at the table and sees James walking toward her, his hands buried deep in his pockets. She smiles at the side of him, and when he sits down, she continues laughing with the other guests at the table, and although James smiles, he looks nervous. He cradles her face in his hand and asks her softly to come outside with him.

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I have always thought that this scene played out strangely to me. I don't know if it's to show that James is only paying attention to her and the fact that she is there, but hearing no discussions from the table

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and her just bursting with laughter,

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at a table she could possibly be sitting at alone.

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Yeah.

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Has always been very weird to me.

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Okay.

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Thank you for saying that because I thought too while watching it.

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I was like, are we supposed to be? It's his point of view that nothing else like you said is going on,

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but he's focused on her. But he is acting very nervous. He does look a little awe for like something's wrong on her. But he is acting very nervous. He does look a little awe for like something's wrong.

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Yeah. But that is you saying that that is very weird to not have any back and forth, no other people giggling, nobody even like inaudible tones or something. Some wedding noises.

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Anything.

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Wedding noises.

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I just shrug. I don't know. Yeah, anything. Yeah. But to have nothing and to have her reacting so bigly

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yeah yeah no I can see that for sure and I think that watching her interact with other people would give us more of a feel for who she is yeah

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because we only really learn

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about Kristen in her reaction to her events or her reaction to James's fucking his he fit but he carries her out into the night in his arms and she laments her reaction to her events or a reaction to James' fucking hissy fit. Yeah.But he carries her out into the night in his arms, and she laments that she just wanted to dance with him, but he tells her that they're dancing right now. She playfully calls him a jerk, and he reciprocates, calling her the same before they kiss. There is a deleted scene that I found online, where he's like taking a shot at the barto kind of get the courage up to go over to her at the table

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and when he asked her to come outside she's like dance with me and he's like no not tonight just come outside or whatever and so it's her being like I just wanted to dance

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like calls back to that but because we don't see that at all

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he's like come outside and they're outside and she's like I just wanted to

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yeah it looks like he picks her up and carries her from the table.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's interesting. James sets her down outside of their car. She tells him it's freezing and wants to get in,but he asks her to wait a second. He just wants to tell her something. Looking up at him, she asks, what do you want to tell me? James looks down at the ring box in his hand. Kristen PERSON follows his gaze, but when she looks back up at him, her eyes are wide andshocked. James tells her softly that he remembers the first time he ever saw her. As a car pulls out of the parking spot behind her, Kristen PERSON lowers her head and everything

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goes in slow motion. I just want to say, unless the first time you saw her was meeting in the parking lot of this convention center, this is not the venue. No. Yeah. I have, I have two, I mean,

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we can piece together that she said no.

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Yeah. I have two really big issues with the proposal, period.

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One of them, don't fucking do this at somebody else's wedding.

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That's crazy.

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Do not.

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Do not. That's my note is, oh, you told him no, and maybe this was a bad time to do this.

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A very bad time to do this.

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Well, love is in the air.

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No, no, no, no. I just finished season nine of Vanderpump Rules WORK_OF_ART, and it was, bad time to do this. A very bad time to do this. Well, love is in the air. No, no, no, no, no.

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I just finished season nine of Vanderpump WORK_OF_ART rules and it was, it's very topical.

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Let people have their own moment.

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Don't.

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Yeah.

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Don't do that.

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And if you're thinking about doing it, don't do it.

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No.

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Secondly, we learn in a moment that the issue is she's just not ready for marriage.

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Yeah. In my humble opinion, and who the

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fuck am I? I'm just a person sitting in front of a microphone. The fact that your partner wants to marry

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you should not be the surprise of the proposal. When the proposal's happening, sure. Where it's happening. Sure. The fact that we are on a path to marriage to getting married where I'm at this point where this is the future that I want with you. Or the fact that I'm not interested in marriage and I don't plan on getting married anytime soon.

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Those should be things that you know about your partner before you accost her in the parking lot of a wedding and then throw a fucking fit afterwards.

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Yeah, because that is something that I didn't think about either and your sister brought it up.

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We had talked about it a little bit the other day. And you, I feel like you would at least have brought it up in a discussion at one point or another. Hey, how do you feel about, you've been together for some amount of time with your partner. How do you feel about marriage?

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How do you feel about us making it official? Or even if not, oh, as long as we're together, that's what matters to you. Bet, then okay, I get it. But it never being brought up and then it being this big of a reaction from him and her and the way it plays out. It's just like, when did you guys start dating?That as well.

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I would love to know that.

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The fact that this is not something she wants in her immediate future should be something that you know about her.

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Yeah. And also, again, the answer was not never.

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That.

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And so for the reaction to be, I love you, but I'm not ready for that right now or yet,

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that does not equal, well, I'll sleep on the couch.

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The reaction is so severe.

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And I'll be honest, if I'm like, I'm not ready right now and this is how you react.

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Maybe we should fucking break it up.

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I don't like what I'm seeing right now at all. The couch is calling your name. Yeah.

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But now, Kristen PERSON still sits in the tub as an animal cries out loudly outside. James takes a gallon of Bluebell ORG out of the freezer and plops it down on the table. I was like, Hey, Blue Bell PRODUCT!

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Dude, so of course not a sponsor, but I was very happy to see.

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Yes.

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I will say, from seeing it as a teenager, I thought from that this film is set in Texas GPE. I did too.

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I didn't realize Bluebell ORG, and I know I think Bertino's from Texas GPE, I think.

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Oh, really? Okay.

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If I'm not mistaken. But I did not realize that Bluebell ORG and I looked it up on their website. It's available in 23 states if I am not mistaken.

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I feel like we're being cheated on. I feel like we're being cheated on. I feel like we're being cheated on too. And the fact that Waterburger's not only in Texas GPE anymore, too, kind of hurts.

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That stings a little bit.

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And I will say anyone who knows, knows that that is homemade vanilla.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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A thousand percent.

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But James sits down in front of it before reaching into his pocket, pulling out the ring box

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and slamming it down on the tabletop.

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In the bathroom, having finished her bath, Kristen PERSON pulls her dress back on and struggles to zip it up by herself.

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James takes a spoon and starts to eat that delicious homemade.

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Again, not a sponsor, buddy.

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We're open to it, Bluebell ORG. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But he eats it right out of the container.

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Didn't we just try to attract Ben and Jerry's like a couple weeks ago?

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They haven't got back to us. No, they haven't. They're both really good. So now we're Bluebell ORG.

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We're focused on Bluebell ORG.

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Kristen steps into the hallway and when she sees James sitting at the table, she joins him in the chair beside him.

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After a moment of heavy silence,

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she tells him that everything he did was beautiful and it was nice of him. James gives another

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humorless chuckle before handing the ring box over to her. When she looks confused, he tells her

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that he can't keep it or take it back. He pleads with her to take it before opening the bottle of

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champagne from the table.

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The cork pops loudly, startling Kristen, and James drinks straight out of the bottle.

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Once he's done, Kristen takes a drink herself. So drinking champagne, that is two terrible experiences tonight.

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I hate champagne.

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It's just the side.

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Just a thing about me.

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I just feel like, again, you are taking this way too hard in the wrong way. Right.

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She loves you. Yeah, that's my thing. You're, I understand your feelings are hurt, but like you said a minute ago, T, she didn't say,I don't want to be with you because you're proposing to me.

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Hear her out.

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Let's figure out, is it yet? Is it at all? Is it something you do want to do in the future out. Let's figure out, is it yet? Is it at all? Is it something you do want to do in the future? You don't ever, or you might or whatever. You know, talk.You don't have to go to this extreme.

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Not at all.

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Over this. No.

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She's like, I do want to get married, but you proposed at somebody else's wedding.

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Yeah. Why not wait till this? In a parking lot, it's not like,

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exhausted and roadkill out here. And I'm wedding. Yeah. Why not wait till this? And a parking lot, it smelled like, exhausted and roadkill out here.

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And I'm freezing.

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Yeah.

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I told you.

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And he didn't dance with me.

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I get the need for like,

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you feel it and it's like,

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let's just do it now.

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Why not wait to this place?

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You set this up.

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Everything is nice.

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Everything is romantic.

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Do it here. Yeah. Totally agree. Noticing her up. Everything is nice. Everything is romantic. Do it here.

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Yeah.

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Totally agree.

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Noticing her dress, James tells her that her clothes are in the bedroom if she wants them, but she says that she wants to wear the dress. She only gets to wear it tonight and it makes her feel pretty. James tells her that she is pretty and Kristen PERSON looks at him sadly. She tells him that she's sorry this wasn't the way he thought it would beand he asks what they're supposed to do now. Her eyes filling with tears, she admits that she doesn't know. She's just not ready yet. James nods and says okaybut as Kristen PERSON starts to cry James gets up from the table. Again.

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Dude, she again she is handling this with such sweetness. Yes. Such kindness. why James gets up from the table. Again, dude.

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She, again, she is handling this with such sweetness. Yes. Such kindness and grace.

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Even telling him all of this that you did, it's beautiful.

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Yeah.

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It's amazing.

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You put a lot of work into it.

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I'm sorry that it didn't work out the way that you wanted to.

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Yeah.

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I just don't understand.

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And then she starts crying and he's like, I can't be here for this.

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That's unbelievable. She was there for you and all of your feelings.

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Yeah. When you're slamming the mailbox and fucking,

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yeah.

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Got fucking bills.

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This is the shittiest day of my life. It is, but again, too, and I understand her, but at the same time same time you're not she is being very patient yeah you're not you're also not being very reassuring no just by saying i'm not ready yet i mean i feel

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still be like look fool we are together yeah i'm not going anywhere i love you i'm here with you

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stop being a bitch yeah come on dude you know because'm here with you. Stop being a bitch. Yeah. Come on, dude. You know.

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Because he is. Yeah.

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You're freaking out. I was like, you didn't even put the ice cream back away. It's going to melt.

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Yeah. You open that champagne, then left it there after a sip. He's singing. He's singing two bottles of shipping.

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Yeah. That was me.

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Kristen grabs his hand and pleads with him to talk to her, but James pulls away.

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He tells her quietly that this is embarrassing before going over to the record player and starting

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at my window, sad and lonely by Billy Bragg and Wilco ORG.

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It's too much.

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It's too much.

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Kristen PERSON comes up behind him and rests her head on his shoulder.

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They both close their eyes and stay that way for a minute before Kristen PERSON turns him around and pulls him into a hug.

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The hug turns amorous as they squeeze and caress each other and James whispers into her ear that she's his girl. Before long, he's picking her up and putting her onto the counter. He slides off her underwear and she begins to unfasten his belt as they kiss, but they're both startled out of the moment by a jarring knock at the door. James is confused by the intrusion, guessing that it must be four in the morning. And when the couple look over to consult the clock on the wall, he's proven right.

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I did laugh a little bit because he's like, what is it like, four in the morning? And the clock's like, um, it's 405. Yeah.

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It is 405.

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Good guess.

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Get it right.

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Yeah.

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Before we get into this knock at the door.

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Yes.

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This was a notorious moment for the three of us because we laughed so hard.

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On IMDB ORG, they have a parents guide for if you're trying to watch shit with your kids or whatever,

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the drugs, the violence, the sex and nudity, whatever.

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Under sex and nudity is some of the funniest, on a lot of movies,

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some of the funniest things that people have, that they report.

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I think we talked on one of the

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Halloween movies they were like a lot of breast not one penis

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what is this I wanted

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to share the thing that made us laugh so hard from the strangers a man rubs a woman's thigh he puts his hand up her dress he removes her panties. In parentheses,we see her bare thigh. And the man unfastens his belt. He then proceeds to, in quotes, put it in. Put it in.

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You hear a moan.

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And then they are interrupted by a knock at the door. I don't know what this person

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was watching. No.

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Only about like 70% of that is true.

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I watched this 10 times.

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That did not happen.

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I know I said I wrote a fan fiction.

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Proceeds to put it in.

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That's the funniest shit I've ever read in my life.

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That's so, so funny.

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It is not, if you're, it's not that bad.

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No.

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But the knocking continues on the big wooden door of the house until James cracks it open.

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As Kristen looks from behind him, James opens the door wider.

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Hidden in the shadows is what appears to be a blonde woman standing on the porch. She greets him with a calm, hi. And James tells her hello as Kristen comes closer. James tries to flick on the porch

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light, but it doesn't work. The woman on the porch asks quietly, is Tamara here? James tells her that

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she's got the wrong house. Her face still obscured by shadow, she asks if he's sure.

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He tells her yes and that he's sorry.

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The woman peers behind him at Kristen PERSON in the house beyond before finally accepting his answer.

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She strides away telling them, I'll see you later. Come on.

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Don't like that.

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No.

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Don't like that. Yeah. Don't like that.

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Yeah.

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Don't like it so much, in fact, that I definitely wouldn't choose to stay here alone.

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Oh, yeah.

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Of course not.

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Or leave someone here alone.

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Mm-hmm.

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Unless there were some other ideas afoot.

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You know?

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Like a fan fiction that we'll talk about it.

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I will say, I'm pretty sure when they pull up to the house, I feel like I remember seeing the porch light was on.

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Yes. Yes. Yeah. And so this to me and what he discovers. Yeah. That's intent. That is a plan.

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Right. And again, why aren't we talking about that? Yes. But I think, of course, this is one of the more iconic moments from this film.

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The line is Tamara PERSON home.

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Very crucial. Yeah. Very crucial.

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Yeah. Very memorable. I feel like, and maybe

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it's just a pet peeve of mine, but I hate when like a telemarketer calls and they ask her someone that isn't there and they're like, are you sure? I'm like, I'm not hiding Tamara PERSON.

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Tamara PERSON does not live here.

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She's in the back.

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You know, let me go. All right. Okay. You got me. You asked if I was sure.

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So I guess I said Tamara PERSON, there's a visitor for you.

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But I did want to talk about the music in this film very quickly.

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The music was composed by Tom and Andy, who you both might recall from the Mothman PERSON prophecy.

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Yes.

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I was like, I know I know that name.

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And once you know that, you feel that.

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Okay.

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Because a lot of their music is really atmospheric.

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So much so that the first time I watched this movie for us to cover it on the show,

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I remarked that I didn't remember any music at all. Mm-hmm. But then on a rewatch, you feel how much it is a part of the atmosphere.

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Yeah.

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The way that they use it in the sound design and it punctuates everything almost like a soundscape.

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Right.

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Yeah, that's true.

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It's just so interesting how they do it.

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Yeah.

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But I read this interview with Tom Haidu in The Natural Aristocrat WORK_OF_ART and he had said that their

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intention was to play with perspective in an

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interesting way and to kind of experiment with ambiance and silence and I think that that is something

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that we recognize and we hear it and that's probably why it blends in so well right but one of

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the things that they did that was very interesting to me is they played with like soft, loud dynamics. Okay. And so they would have a microphone set up in a room and someone would play a guitar or a cello

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very loudly, but the microphone is capturing it from very far away.

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Or they would have a microphone set up right next to an instrument and someone would play

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something very softly.

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And so...

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That's interesting.

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Yeah. And through this, you kind of feel a bit of eerieness

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because a loud thing from far away sounds different than, you know, just the way that they play with it. Well, and it really like plays with the fact that there are sounds later that we don't know where they're coming from.

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Yeah. And, you know, it adds to the uneasiness.

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And they said they were attempting a less is more dynamic,

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which as well fits into what we were saying about everything just kind of blending together.

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Yeah. Where sound effects and music feel like they're all part of the same thing. Yeah. And it's just, I appreciated it a lot on a rewatch. Yeah.But as soon as the visitors out of sight, Kristen PERSON comments that the interaction was weird. James says it's easy to get lost out here and wonders if he should go after her. But Kristen PERSON tells him that she seemed fine and she would have said if she wasn't.I'd be like, are you fucking kidding me?

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I don't know. He's like,

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do you think she's single or?

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Would she marry me? Would she say yes?

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If I asked her to marry me? Yeah, I couldn't see her face, dude. If I asked her to marry me at a wedding. In a parking lot, do you think she'd marry me? Would she say yes if I asked her to marry me? If I didn't see her face, dude.

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If I asked her to marry me at a wedding.

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In a parking lot, do you think she'd marry me?

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Her and Tamara PERSON broken up, did she?

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Right, give me that ring back.

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But James reaches up to the bulb on the porch and twists it.

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Once it's screwed back in properly, the porch is lit up.

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It would appear that someone had loosened it, and when we get a shot of them from the outside, once it's screwed back in properly, the porch is lit up.

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It would appear that someone had loosened it and when we get a shot of them from the outside of the house,

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there are two that are on now.

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So that's not an accident.

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This, man, why are you waiting right now to do that?

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Yeah.

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I can't see my guest.

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I need to know who's there.

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Oh, excuse me real quick.

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Let me turn on the... Who unscrewed this light bulb? Why are you waiting now to do that? He's like, huh.

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Yeah. Oh, that worked the whole time.

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I know she's okay.

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It's like, what the fuck?

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So this is the moment that I was like, never, never, never.

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We were playing seven days to die. It was me

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and T PERSON and our parents. I was

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here with the kids. John Paul

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was at work and somebody knocked on the door. It's nighttime. And so I'm like, oh, hold on, you know, whatever. I have my headphones on because we were playing, we were all playing online. So I take themoff. I go and I look out the people and there's nobody there. But it's getting dark. So I take them off. I go and I look out the people and there's nobody there. But it's getting dark. So I switch on the porch light and it doesn't turn on.

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And so I'm like, huh, that's odd.

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That's really strange. So I get back on the game and it happens again. And so I'm telling them on the game. I was like somebody knocked on the door and then there was nobody there. So I get up again. I'm like scared at this point and I go on the door and then there was nobody there. So I get up again. I'm like scared at this pointand I go and I look and again there's nobody there. I look in a park in the parking lot out the window and I see a random man walking around and so I'm like absolutely fucking not.

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So and I had said I'll be right back like there's somebody at the door and I put the headphones down and then I'm in my own hell because this is the second time that there's nobody there.I called John Paul and I was like there was two knocks at the door and I tried to turn the porch light on and it won't turn on and I saw a random man. He's like, it's okay, it's okay, just don't open the door or whatever. So finally it happens again and I look out the people and it's our neighbor who comes by very randomly. He's an older man.He's always like, oh, I picked up two of these at the store.

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Here's one or whatever. So I opened the door and he's like I kept knocking but you I didn't know if you were home I was like you scared me so bad he was trying to give us brownies yeah I was like you scared me so bad and then I'm standing there talking to him and then my dad walks up and then John Paul PERSON walks up and I was like it was so embarrassing I was like it's fine it was just him and they're like are you up and then John Paul walks up. And I was like, it was so embarrassing.

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I was like, it's fine.

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It was just him.

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And they're like, are you sure?

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And then who's he?

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And then he was like, oh, well, I'm sorry.

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I didn't mean to scare you, you know.

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And I was like, it's okay.

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But I was like, I'm going to be fine because both of them were like. And then I thought about it. And I was like, I never got back on the game.

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I was like, there's somebody at the door and then I just fucking disappeared.

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So I could see why my dad showed up.

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And then I wasn't expecting you to come. But yeah, it was in the light had just burned out.

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Nobody had, nobody had, nobody had loosened it.

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So, but yeah, it was, it was the first thing I thought of was the fucking strangers.

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And they loosen the thing so that they're shrouded in darkness on the porch.

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It's like, no, you're never going to catch me fucking slipping like that. I'm not opening the fucking door. Yeah. And I think the thing so that they're shrouded in darkness on the porch. It's like, no, you're never going to catch me fucking slipping like that.

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I'm not opening the fucking door.

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Yeah.

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And I think the thing with the light bulb, again, why isn't he communicating this with Kristen PERSON?

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Yeah.

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It's not even that he's not communicating it.

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It's looking at him.

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It doesn't even look like he thinks this is strange or sinister at all.

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He's just like, huh.

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Okay, well, what about the living room light? Turn that on then. Yeah.

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Something you're right there.

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Get some kind of light on.

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Or, I mean, after that, and that was a weird interaction.

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Yeah, it was.

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I mean, like, hey, honey, let's lock all the doors. Yes. I know I'm still sleeping on the couch or whatever. Well, I'm by the front door.

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Yeah.

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I'll keep you safe. I keep people safe.

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That's marriage material. That's people safe. That's marriage material.

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That's marriage material. I've ever seen it.

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But James and Kristen disappear into the house and we paned down the street to the nearby woods. The house is silent, but for the hissing sound of the record spinning on the player. James sits on the couch,but Kristen PERSON sits across the room at the kitchen table. The mood has been broken, and they've both sunken back into the awkwardness of their situation. Kristen breaks the silence when she sees the empty cigarette pack on the table next to her. She mutters that she's out, and James immediately volunteers to go and get her more. Kristen protests, explaining that she didn't mean for him to go do that, and he doesn't have to. She says that she'll just go to sleep because she's tired anyway, but James tells her that she didn't mean for him to go do that and he doesn't have to. She says that she'll just go to sleep because she's tired anyway.But James tells her that she won't. And when Kristen PERSON can't argue with this, she concedes that she can try.

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He's like, Kristen PERSON, you are addicted to nicotine.

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You're not sleeping tonight.

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There is no way.

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I know you.

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What are you doing, dude?

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After what just happened?

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Yeah. And I'm sorry, but we see something in a second that is absolute bullshit because I, what are you doing, dude? After what just happened?

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Yeah. And I'm sorry, but we see something in a second that is absolute bullshit because she is not out of cigarettes. Oh,

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yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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No,

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I didn't even think about that either.

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There's another really,

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really funny inconsistency coming up

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that made me not that loud.

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Yeah.

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James reasons that he wants to drive around anyway

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and offers to light her a fire before he goes.

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Kristen PERSON comes over as he prepares the fireplace

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and he tells her that while she was in the bath,

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he was thinking about it and he wants her to take the car back tomorrow.

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When she's confused, he elaborates that he just doesn't think a road trip is a good idea right now.

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He says that he called Mike and he'll be there to pick him up in the morning.

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It, I will say, it is astounding how he just did not at all plan for anything

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but yes, yes.

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Absolutely.

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But an enthusiastic.

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Like for a road trip to be planned after.

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No, but you can still, again,

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you can still do that.

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You guys are still together.

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Yes.

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His ego is wounded and he can't get past it.

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I get it.

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It's really annoying.

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I get it.

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But come on, dude, again, we're here.

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If not, then let's take this time to reflect and let's talk about it or let's figure out whatever.

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You're just not ready.

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Let's just go have fun. Yeah. Let's just go have fun.

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Yeah.

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Let's just go have some fucking fun then. Instead, you're going to drive around brooding like the Batman.

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Yes. Yeah. Really? Speedman.

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Yeah.

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Brooding like the flash.

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It just annoys me because it's like you made this decision that you guys are going to get

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married clearly without any conversation or without consulting her. You've made the decision that Mike is going to go pick you up in the morning.

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You've made the decision that we're not going on this road trip. You made the decision that

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she's taking the car back by herself. That's probably why she doesn't want to fucking marry.

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Yeah. There's no, there's no communication here. There's no nothing. And it, it, narratively,

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Kristen PERSON at times does feel like a bit of a footnote.

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And that is one thing that I never really noticed

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and I don't really like.

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But she's very passive. Yeah.

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And in these moments, it's like, I just don't like James.

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I just don't like him.

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All Kristen PERSON can do, though, is not her head and look down.

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After a moment, she asks if he's sure that that's what he wants. He tells her yes. And once the fire is lit, he tells her abruptly that he'll be back. He offers that they can talk more when he gets back. But if she doesn't want to, they don't have to. Kristen PERSON nods at this.And James asks if she'll be okay. And she assures him that she will before thanking him for lighting the fire.

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But see, and even that, like, after the scene ended, I was like, dude, you, before you guys were interrupted by Sam PERSON and you slipped it in or whatever. You guys made up. Even if you got interrupted, that's a big makeup. Honestly.

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You guys are getting intimate. You're whatever. You made up in some form. You guys are okay. And this should whatever. You made up in some form. You guys are okay. And this should bond you as well, this odd experience.

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Yeah.

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Of what just happened.

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And I didn't even think of that.

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But then he shuts the door and he's like, so you fucking hate me still?

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Yeah.

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You both. It's like, what? You were just about to sleep with each other on the counter.

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Yes.

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And then this weird thing happened. We're here together.

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Yeah. What the fuck? He literally said in her ear, you're my girl.

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Yes.

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And now he's like, it's no time for a fucking road trip.

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Gotham ORG needs me.

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He's saying, what?

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But James quickly tells her that she's welcome and leaves.

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Once outside, he chugs more of the champagne bottle before tossing it out into the lawn while Kristen PERSON stares reflectively at the fireplace.

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James gets behind the wheel.

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Yes.

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And drives away.

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Yeah.

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He's just adding up the charges for me.

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Now alone in the house, Kristen PERSON starts another record.

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Sprout in the bean by Joanna Newsom PERSON begins as she pulls her hair back and plucks up the ring box from

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the kitchen table.

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Kristen PERSON slides the ring onto her finger and looks at it for a moment.

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But when she tries to pull it off, she finds it to be stuck.

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He put glue in it. It's like, I knew you tried it on.

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It's one of those machine gun gallery rings.

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Oh, God.

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Jesus Christ PERSON. Don't go there. Not that,alley rings. Oh, God. Jesus Christ.

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Don't go there.

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Not that, not that.

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No, not that though.

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She gives up and leaves it on her finger before wandering the house.

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She plays a few notes on the piano before sitting tearfully on the couch.

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She gets up and gets a beer from the kitchen and continues to look around.

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On a doorframe, the heights for James

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and his brother Stephen are captured in Penn as the years past the family by. Kristen PERSON is holding

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her beer and looking longingly at this when there is another knock at the door. As Sprouten PERSON the

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bean continues eerily from the record, Kristen PERSON sets her bottle down and looks fearfully at the door.

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As she slowly walks toward it, there is another loud knock. Kristen PERSON approaches the door. Kristen sets her bottle down and looks fearfully at the door. As she slowly walks

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toward it, there is another loud knock. Kristen PERSON approaches the door just as the knocks begin

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again, but she doesn't answer it. She asks, hello? I feel like at the time this film came out,

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I remember reading somewhere that a lot of the scares they didn't know were coming. Yeah.

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Because her neck tenses in such a real way that you cannot imitate. Yeah. Here and even as the film goes on, they said they had crew members running around and banging on random walls and doors and windows.

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So, like, you know the scene that you're filming, but she had no idea when the sounds were coming,

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where they were coming from, how loud they were going to be. And you see it here that you're filming but she had no idea when the sounds were coming where they were coming from how loud they were going to be

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and you see it here you're right

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it is very very authentic

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from the other side of the door and the same calm and flat voice the woman asks is Tamara PERSON home Kristen PERSON reminds her that she already came by here and when the woman asks if she's sure, Kristen PERSON doesn't answer.But when she hears the departing footsteps, she turns the deadbolt into place. Why are we just now doing that? Yeah.

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Great question. I pause the movie for a second. You mean to tell me the whole time that door's been unlocked. Apparently. I was mad.

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I'm sorry. You're like, can I see your hands please? Because they're like made of bricks or something.

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Or we've got a problem that needs attention. Is that why you're here? You need help. Yeah, no shit.

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Because you don't need to be coming to my house at 4-0, maybe 4-10 now.

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Yeah, probably 4-10.

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In the morning and knocking like that.

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And there's nothing ever said about that.

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Like in a real-life situation, if somebody's knocking on your door at 4-10 in the

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morning like that, you would wrench the door open and be like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Do you know what time it is?

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The clock says it's 4-10.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I didn't think The clock says it's 4.10. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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You know what?

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I didn't think about it.

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They are chilling like it's the afternoon.

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Yeah.

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Or like they just had dinner and then it's like, dude.

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It is.

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It's four in the fucking morning.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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That's it.

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I'm godly.

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Visibly spooked.

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She heads back into the house,

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rattled at the sound of the wind chimes outside being disturbed.

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Kristen PERSON goes to the sliding glass doors looking over the backyard.

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She peeks through the curtain to see a light flickering outside the barn.

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The jingling of the wind chimes continue, but when she closes the curtains, they stop.

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That was something that I noticed this time that I did like.

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It was the wind chimes. Yeah. The fire crackles loudly and when Kristen PERSON looks back toward the living room, she sees smoke billowing in through the fireplace. She reaches over the fire to open the flu, but the damage has been done and the smoke alarm begins to screech.

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It's like James did that on purpose.

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Thanks, James. Smoke her ass out did that on purpose. Thanks, James.

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Smoke her ass out.

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It's like, Jesus, James.

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You wanted to smoke, right?

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You needed to smoke, right?

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It's like, oh my God.

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Kristen PERSON climbs up on a chair,

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but still has to jump to shut the smoke alarm off.

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As the alarm falls to the ground,

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there's another loud knock at the door. Kristen PERSON freezes and stares at the door, her face

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frozen in fear. These knocks, and again, it kind of lends to what we were talking about a little bit in the intro of certain moments fitting a little better in other subgenres. Yeah. These knocks are

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inhuman. Yes. And there are moments where I'm like, are we telling a supernatural story?

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Yes.

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The answer is no.

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And I don't think that we should be telling a supernatural story because that takes away

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from what makes this film scary.

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But there are moments where it's like, are you sure though?

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Yeah.

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And even that, I think too, saying into that, because at this time, you've come enough to where I'm going to have, that fire poker is going to be in my hand.

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I mean, you know what I mean?

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Enough weird stuff has happened.

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The fireplace was just fine.

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Now this.

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Then the knocking.

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Now here it is again.

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Why still have you not armed yourself?

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Yeah.

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You're by yourself.

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This dude took off. Yeah. At 4.12 in the morning.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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According to clock. You're by yourself. This dude took all. Yeah. At 4.12 in the morning. Yeah. According to the clock.

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Kristen doesn't answer the singular abrupt knocks.

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Instead, she rushes to her bag and pulls out her phone.

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But when she finds it dead, she takes out her charger and crawls over to the outlet next to

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the fireplace.

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When she gets her phone plugged in and is trying to power it up, the knocking starts again.

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Leaving her phone to charge, Kristen PERSON goes into the bedroom instead to use the landline.

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She calls James as she peeks out the window, and she asks where he is. She tells him that that girl came back and she keeps knocking on the door. Her view from the window doesn't reveal anything to her besides a road lit with street lamps and littered with trees. She asserts that she heard her voice and that she didn't open the door. So I'm like, is James like, are you sure it was her?

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I'm like, why is she saying I heard her voice?

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Yeah.

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Because she sounds like, come on.

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And I'm sorry, again, this feeds into an idea that I'm sure that we all had.

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Yeah.

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His absence is very convenient.

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Yeah.

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And it never occurred to me any other time watching it, but watching it now, I'm like,

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if I would have seen this for the first time right now, this is, I'd be like, oh, clearly, it's blank.

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Yes.

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She glances out into the hall and we get a lingering view of the smoke alarm on the floor as she tells James that her phone battery was dead and she's charging it.

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She changes out of her dress into a black tank top, a flannel shirt and jeans asking James to just come back home. She says that she's fine, but she still asks him to hurry. I'm not fine. No.

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Where the fuck are you? Why are you gone for what is the clock saying? I believe it's 4.15.

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Like, come on.

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And he's just like casting himself in a sad music video.

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You know he is.

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Fake plastic trees, I think.

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Yeah.

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As she buttons her flannel shirt and heads into the kitchen,

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she asks how far away he is.

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When her nervous hands find her last cigarette, supposedly apparently,

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perched on a small dish,

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she picks it up, asking James to just stay on the phone with her. But as soon as she asks this, the call is disconnected. She abandons the phone on the table and lights her cigarette, pacing the kitchen and dining area.As she does, in the hallway behind her, someone steps out of the darkness. And what is arguably the most iconic shot of the film? Man in Mask, played by Kip Weeks PERSON, stands in plain view behind Kristen PERSON. He wears an ill-fitted brown suit and has a dingy maskpulled over his face. Holes cut out for his eyes and a crude upturned line painted on to symbolize a sick smile. Kristen PERSON is completely oblivious as she heads into the kitchen and gets a glass of water from the tap. As she drinks, the man in the mask stands in the doorway, swaying subtly on his feet as he watches her. Kristen PERSON finally turns around to lean her back against the sink as she drinks, but when we see the doorway again, there is no trace of him. I just want to talk about that shot,

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the iconic one of him kind of stepping into the frame. There is something about these wide shots in this film where you start to investigate everything.

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Yeah.

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And you fear that something may be lurking or you just feel very uneasy and uncertain. Right. The cinematographer was a guy called Peter Sova and he has credits going back to the 1970s.

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Oh, wow.

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I think he shot Donnie Brasco PERSON as well. Damn. But just the use of the camera in this film, I really appreciate it a lot. The way that we get these insert shots of different items, the way that it's so wide and we feel like anything can happen. This shot in particular is just one of the best shots in the film period.

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Yes. Because there is no sting.

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There is no anything.

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It's just a matter of you seeing this happen,

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her not seeing this happen.

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Yeah.

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And you realizing what the fuck is going on.

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That would have ruined it.

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Any kind of musical sting.

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And Kip Weeks had said that he and Liv Tyler PERSON were nervous about it because they

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were like, how can she not see him out of the corner of her eye?

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But when they showed it,

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he said that got the biggest reaction of anything in the whole film,

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understandably.

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So I did want to see what else Kip Weeks PERSON was in,

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and I found that he did a Glory Road in 06,

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totally baked in 07. All right. Yes, it's a stoner film. But he also did a movie with Mark Wahlberg, Spencer's Confessional on Netflix ORG.

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What? Yeah, I was like, what is this?

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Yeah. Knew that you would have to talk about that one.

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Oh, yeah. Naturally.

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Something else I'm realizing about when I had mentioned earlier, these classic homages. Yeah. The stepping into the frame silently with nobody noticing you and wearing a white mask,it's more Halloween.

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Absolutely. And there is a head tilt later on

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that I'm like, that is, it has to be a nod. It has to be an homage.

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Yeah.

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I did want to talk about Kip Weeks PERSON as well because I watched an interview with him on the like Scream Factory ORG special feature Blu-ray thing. And he said that he, he did audition for this. There is somebody who didn't.And we'll talk about that later. It's a very interesting story. But he got the character breakdown before he ever got a script. And so they were just basically like, this is the character that you're playing. And for the

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audition, they said that he had to sing a folk song. Really? Yeah. So he Googled it and found a song called

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Down by the Dead Man WORK_OF_ART. And he remembered that when he was a kid, he used to be able to play the spoons. So he said he went into the audition and he sang Down by the Dead Man WORK_OF_ART and played the spoons for them.

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And so his manager called him was like, look, you they loved you um you're gonna start filming in florence and so he's

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like florence so he and his wife are looking up all these you know Italian NORP architecture

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all these Italian NORP museums that they want to go to restaurants that they want to eat at and then

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the next day his manager was like, it's Florence, South Carolina GPE.

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I.

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Like Paris, Texas GPE.

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Yeah.

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And so he was like, so that was a little disappointing. But he said that he knew he had to find a way to make an impact without you being able to see his full face.

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And without you being able to hear his voice because he does not speak. Yeah.

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He said that he had taken his child. I think he said that they were like four at the time to the zoo and they went to see the guerrillas. And he's watching, he's watching their eyes and their expressions and the way that they can communicate their feelings without saying anything.And he was like, that's it. The man in the mask is the gorilla behind the feelings without saying anything. And he was like, that's it.

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The man in the mask is the gorilla behind the plexiglass. Wow. Okay.

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So he said it is slow, simple movements that that's the key to his performance and that he, that was his inspiration for the character. And it is interesting because we haven't met them all yet, but there are three of them. And they together came up with a backstory for their characters. And they each have their own motivation for who they think the person that they're playingis. And we'll talk about that later on. But the work that went into this, when you don't see their

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faces, it's very, it's really cool. Yeah. I think the introduction of these strangers. Yeah, yeah. Is probably my favorite thing about the film. Yeah.

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How they look, how they act, and how they move. Yeah.

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And it is borrowing a lot, but it's borrowing in a way that you, it's a hat tip.

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Right, right. But from deeper in the house, a door closes. Panic distorts Kristen PERSON's face, but she keeps her voice calm when she calls out hopefully for James. But listening to her instinct,she rummages through a drawer and pulls out a knife. She goes to the table and snatches up the phone, trying it again to no avail. We move shakily toward the hallway with her. But as the tension mounts, it's broken by a loud knockat the front door. That's something else I noticed too. Every shot has movement.

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Like a person,

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like we're watching this through ourselves and not through like a stationary camera.

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Yeah, I didn't notice that until your sister brought that up to me this morning when we were preparing to record. And we were watching it again. And I was like, it does. The whole time it is, it's never just steady.

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Well, there are some moments that do, you don't realize it, they feel handheld. Yeah.

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Where even they're just sitting at the table and it's kind of like bobbing a little. Yeah. And you're like, huh, that is true.

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It's one of those where you, when you notice it, you can't really unsee it.

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And it's the whole film.

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But in her fear, Kristen PERSON grabs a hold of the back of the chair she climbed on to stop the smoke alarm from going off.

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But when she looks down on it, her face goes slack with horror. The detector that had fallen to the floor and stayed on the floor is now neatly placed in the seat of the chair. She covers her mouth, but doesn't even have time to react when a loud scraping noise is heard just beyond the front door. Kristen PERSON hurries over to her phone, which she had left plugged into the outlet by the fireplace, but she finds her phone charger cut and broken. She slinks down to the floor, panting and whispering that this isn't happening.She rocks and breathes deeply, repeating it to herself as the doorknob rattles. Loud clanging comes from outside the windows, and Kristen PERSON rises shakily to her feet. The scraping sound starts again, but this time it's coming from beyond the sliding glass door. Kristen PERSON approaches it slowly, using the blade of the knife to pull the curtains open, but jerking her hand back when the scraping gets louder and then stops. She grabs onto the curtain and rips it aside, revealing the man in the mask on the other side of the door.The two stare at each other as Kristen PERSON lets loose a horrified scream, and the man in the mask places his hand menacingly against the door. The two stare at each other as Kristen lets loose a horrified scream and the man in the mask places his hand menacingly against the glass. So her screams are great. She had said that she was worried about being able to because again this is not a genre that she had really done before, but Bertino PERSON had told her not to practice and ruin the authenticity. I guess because Kristen would not just be screaming every day.It should be something that is startled out of you.

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So he told her not to practice it,

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and the first time she did it on set, everyone was surprised. And it said that she had screamed so much and been so rough on her throat that she

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developed tonsillitis. Oh, no. Yeah. I am not surprised. Yeah. I mean, and like the physical

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toll that it took, and we'll talk about her feet a little bit later, but he, Bertino PERSON had her and Scott Speedman PERSON running laps around the set before the scene started so that they would be out of breath and tired and a little bit sweaty when it started

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because she was like,

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because we can't just start it at that intensity

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of not being able to breathe and whatever.

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But on one of the featureettes,

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you see her running back and forth and getting ready for him to call action so that they would already be, I mean, just beaten down.

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If I'm not mistaken, I think I read in the production notes that it was shot mostly chronologically. Yeah.

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So that, I mean, helps to.

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Yeah, get you back to that level.

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So not quite, Ramey PERSON, but, you know, not quite.

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It's like running line up, God. I did not sign up for this. No, what are you know, not quite. It's like running laps, God.

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I did not sign up for this.

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No, what are you the gym coach from Elm Street FAC, too?

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But Kip Weeks PERSON had said as well that the moment that she sees him on the other side of the glass is when the entire film changes.

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And I think that's true because things have been scary and you did see this girl come up and the girl did come back and you talked to her through the door.

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But you've not seen anything horrifying until this moment.

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Yeah.

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And I mean that is, yeah, because it kind of feels more like a mystery.

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Yeah.

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Now it's like, oh, so this is what we're doing.

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Yeah.

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Well, and it's like, you know, moving, fucking with her phone and the smoke alarm and stuff.

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It's like we both know that something is happening,

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but now it's like, oh no, I'm making myself visible to you.

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Like, we're ramping it up.

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Yeah.

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Kristen PERSON backs away, bumping into the record player

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and causing a snippet of my first lover by Jillian Welch

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to skip and loop over and over.

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Kristen PERSON stares at the door as it opens in slow motion.

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She moves over to it slowly, hunched over with the knife out in front of her. But when she reaches the crack in the door, doll face, played by Gemma Ward PERSON, thrusts her face towards her. Her mask is that of a doll's face, thin arched brows, huge black eyes, bright pink blush and a smiling mouth with pouty black lips.

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Her blonde hair gives her away as the woman who was asking for Tamara PERSON earlier.

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I feel like this reveal is so expertly done.

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Yeah.

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I love, firstly, the skipping record is terrifying.

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Yeah.

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It's so scary.

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Just have in the background. But you have that accompanied by the pounding record is terrifying. Yeah. It's so scary. Just have in the background.

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But to have that accompanied by the pounding on the door and this slow motion shot of that door opening.

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Just that one insert shot sells everything.

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Yeah.

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And I literally, I remember the first time we saw this and this moment happened and I'm sitting in the theater.

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I'm like 16, 17 years old.

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I'm like, guys, I don't know if I can handle this.

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I don't know if I can do this.

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So Gemma Ward PERSON, I, you know, looked in all of them. Let's see. And her, I was, it was interesting

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because you look them up and then, you know, some people do come from different jobs or other places

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of the industry. And Gemma looks like she had started modeling in O2. She's from Australia GPE. She was the youngest model to be on the cover of Vogue ORG.

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Oh, wow.

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She was found at 15.

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And at a TV show, it's a search for a supermodel in Australia GPE.

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She was in the crowd, in the audience.

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Wow.

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They had to search

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Yeah

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Yeah

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Anna Wintour

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had selected her to be featured

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in the It Girl WORK_OF_ART of the supermodel world

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I guess it's a thing they do

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That's like if this is what you do You've made it And modeling I'm not very familiar with modeling Myself I'm not a male modelBut Surprisingly Yeah well But that is really cool Because she does a really good job I'm not very familiar with modeling myself. I'm not a male model. Surprisingly.

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Yeah, well.

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But that is really cool because she does a really good job in taking this role and being scary. Yeah.

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You know what I mean? I read both her and another character we're going to introduce later say that it was very freeing to not have to worry about the faces they were making.

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Okay.

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And I feel like that has to be especially true for somebody whose appearance is kind of their career or, you know, however you want to phrase it.

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It's interesting that we don't see her face in this at all.

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I would think, honestly, being a model is kind of the perfect background to have for this role.

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Yeah.

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Because so much of it is a matter of a pose or having this feeling perceived from the posture of your body.

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Yeah.

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And being able to convey so much.

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Yeah.

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That's very, very true.

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Yeah.

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But Kristen PERSON just slams the door and sinks down to the ground

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with her back against it.

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She holds onto the knob as the shock hits her,

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but she quickly locks the dead bolt again

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and runs further into the house.

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Outside the door, glass shatters,

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and the door shakes in its frame

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from the banging as the doorknob rattles.

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The song continues to loop as Kristen PERSON runs into the bedroom. She tries to hide under the bed, but she quickly finds that she can't fit. She hears glass breaking from the living room and screams at the assailants in vain to go away. But she's startled when the banging starts behind her on the window over the bed. Not wanting to give away her location, she pulls the lit lamp down from the nightstand, and in her panic, she's unable to switch it off, and when she bangs it against thefloor, we hear the crunching of glass. The light goes off, but Kristen PERSON suppresses a pained sob. The looping continues as Kristen PERSON stares in horror at the door. She crawls towards it for a tense moment, holding the knife out in front of her. But when the record scratches and the repetitive snippet of song abruptly halts, she freezes.She pants as footsteps make their way down the hall toward her. But when the person reaches the doorway, it's James. Look. It's a little suspicious.

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That's exactly right.

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It is.

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And it's only feeding into our fan fiction.

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I just feel like there's no way that he arrived on this scene without seeing any of this happening.

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Thank you.

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Yeah. That's my same note. You can't tell me this man got here and didn't see anything they did outside. Yeah. They broke the window. They were pounding on shit.They were, even if they were just smashing a brick or anything against the door, there's going to be marks. Yeah. Or if the fucking lights off again, why is this light off again outside?

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Anything. Yeah. is Jimmy PERSON. He crosses the room over to her, asking what's wrong, but she begs and whispers for him to be quiet because someone is out there. Really, you've seen two someone's out there.

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Yeah.

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James doesn't know what she's talking about, but he's concerned when he pulls the knife from her hand and finds it bloody from her encounter with the lamp. He asks about it, but Kristen PERSON just jumps up and closes and locks the bedroom door.She slides a chair in front of it, but James pulls her away, trying to quell her panic. He sits down on the bed with her and she explains that she saw a man at the back door wearing a mask.James is like, like a ski mask?

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That pissed me on. Doesn't matter?

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Doesn't matter.

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It doesn't matter at all.

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But Kristen PERSON's like, I don't know. A fucking mask. She breaks down and sobs and James finally stands and picks up the knife from the floor. Kristen PERSON sobs and confesses that she's just so scared.But when James pulls the chair from the door and readies himself to open it, she pleads with him to stop. And a low voice as calm as he can muster, James assures her that he's right here and it's okay.He opens the door and steps out into the hallway to find. Absolutely nothing. He tells her that there's no one there and asks her to come over to him. He starts to walk down the hall and after a moment, Kristen PERSON comes out of the doorway of the bedroom. She follows James as he checks a spare bedroom and even slides the curtain to the side

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in the bathroom. I didn't like the way he looked at her after he did the shower

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curtain. No, I don't like any of this because she said there's someone outside. Yeah.

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So even if you check every inch of this house and there's

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no one here that doesn't discredit what I just

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fucking said, there's someone out there in a mask. Yeah. Are you sure you're not just tired?

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Are you on your period? That's why you said no, right? He's right there. He's even worse than we thought.

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He's right there for me. Well, I was waiting and I was like, he's going to say that there's nobody in the house or there's not whatever.

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And then he did and I was like, there it is.

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I was like, come on, dude, you're just falling in line with what?

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Yeah.

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The trope.

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Yeah.

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They go into the kitchen and in a close shot of the fire still burning in the fireplace.

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We see that Kristen PERSON's phone is among the flames.

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I think we'd be able to smell that.

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Yeah. Of course. Just thinking out loud. Justin PERSON's phone is among the flames. I think we'd be able to smell that.

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Yeah, no.

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I just, just thinking out loud.

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It's burning plastic?

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That's a no key.

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It's fine.

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It's totally fine.

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Once they reach the garage,

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James is sure that the house is clear, but Kristen PERSON doesn't look so convinced

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and climbs up to look out of the high window.

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She stares in a stunned silence, and when James asks what it is, she says, she's watching us.

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James climbs up to look with her and he finally sees her.

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Doll face stands in the middle of the grass outside the window.

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Behind her is the still and deserted road and her lone figure is illuminated by the street lights.

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This reminded me a lot of Michael Myers PERSON through the classroom window.

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For sure.

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I like it a lot.

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Kristen says that she's watching them, and James admits that she looks like a ghost.

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He asks if she wants him to go talk to her, but Kristen PERSON maintains that they don't want to talk. James reasons that they must want something. People don't just stand there staring like that. They want something. He looks back at dollface and mutters, shit. He tells Kristen PERSON that he left his phone in the car and he's going to go out and get it.Kristen whispers that he can't go out there and James is like, why?

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Oh my God. There's nobody out there.

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I was pulling my fucking hair out. This dude,

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I don't, clearly all three of us feel the same. But I think that's again what hurt it for me was just that. He continues to be this naive or this whatever.

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I don't know. It's just, it's very weird. I think that's part of me being like he can't be this. this naive or this whatever. I don't know. It's just, it's very weird. I think that's part of me being like he can't be this ignorant.

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Yeah.

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And this blind to what's right in front of him unless he wants to be.

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Yeah. Unless he's pretending to be. Exactly. Because there's no way a person would normally act like this.

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No. Right? No. Yes, right. But Kristen reminds him that one of them came inside and took her phone. James tries to object to this and tell Kristen PERSON that no one came in here, but they both look back at the window to find that doll face is gone.

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And again, him saying she looks like a ghost.

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Yes.

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Starting to, I mean, they're leading down several paths.

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Yeah. Never having seen a horror film before, James steps outside. Kristen watches him from the doorway, but James stops in his tracks when he sees that the windshield of his car has been smashed.

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Can we talk about how they ruined his car and we heard none of it?

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None of it. No shit. Nothing.

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Jerry Dandridge PERSON out here.

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Nothing happens.

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Like, yeah.

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Even he made noise.

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Yeah, he was supernatural.

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He jingles his keys between his fingers,

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his other hand still gripping onto the knife.

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He turns when he hears rustling in the trees behind him,

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but continues toward his car, his shoes crunching on broken glass. Upon closer inspection, every window in the car has been busted out. James leans into it and finds that the wires inside have been cut and the huge hole in the windshield is in the shape of a jagged heart. Inside, Kristen PERSON has closed the door and chews on her thumb nervously. James gets into the car and slowly backs up a little bit. As he leans down toward the floor and rifles through the glass and discarded empty packs ofcigarettes, someone creeps up behind him. We see their hand hovering over the back of his neck before giving him an impish poke. With a musical sting and a gasp from James, he turns around in the seat, brandishing the knife, but there is no one there.

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This is where you lose me.

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Yeah, I didn't like this either because it feels supernatural.

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It does. And there's no way that anyone can do that and get away that quickly.

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Yeah, no. And Kristen PERSON's watching from the door.

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Yeah.

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She wasn't like, James, look out!

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She's trying to touch your neck.

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Maybe she was turned around.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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She was distracted too.

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He hops out of the car and the street is seemingly deserted. But when he closes the door and looks out onto the road, doll face stands there. He asks what she wants, but when she doesn't respond and looks out onto the road, dollface PERSON stands there. He asks what she wants, but when she doesn't respond and stares back at him, he tells her to get the fuck out of here. There is rustling in the trees and someone literally runs by. But James is distracted when Kristen PERSON calls his name from the porch.He tells her to go back inside, but she asks what's happening. There are more strange banging and faint screeching sounds. And when James tells her again to go back inside, she listens and closes the door behind her. You got a bus.

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Yeah.

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So let's cut off our communication.

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Yeah.

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Let's separate ourselves.

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Lock the door while you're at it so that if I need help, I can't get in there.

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And if you need help, I can't get in there. Right. What? It makes perfect sense. James turns back to the street and finds dollface PERSON gone now. He starts to walk down the road.The knife still clutched in his hand. But he stops when he hears the snapping of twigs and the faint whirring of power tools. He continues to pace around, looking in every direction, but finding nothing. He makes his way back up to the porch and stands with his back to the door, taking one last look. When he opens the door, Kristen PERSON reaches out for him with the musical sting and scares the shit out of him. She apologizesizes explaining that she was waiting for him. He immediately tells her to get her things together and put her shoes on.He asked if she was able to find her phone, but she reminds him again that they took her phone. He tells her that he put it in her bag and he starts to look through it himself, but she tells him that she even had it plugged into the wall. They took it. It's like when your kid can't find something.

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It's like, dude, I took it out.

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I had it. I know it was in the bag.

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James stops searching, but admits that he doesn't understand because they searched the entire

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house and there was no one there.

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The two sit at the table and James inspects the mess she made of her hand as she winces. He takes off his tie and wraps it around the deep, bleeding cut mess she made of her hand as she wintzes. He takes off his tie and wraps it around the deep bleeding cut in the middle of her hand. He tells her that he doesn't understand how the entire time they've been here, he hasn't heard one dog bark or one car drive by. He says that it's just us and them. That sounds supernatural to me. Yeah. And I just want to say, I understand the tensions are high and things are moving very fast.

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But you are in a home. And maybe we should clean that cut before you wrap your dirty tie around this open wound.

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No, let's add an infection to the list.

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Because you literally don't have to do that.

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Yeah.

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You're in a house.

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You're not in some cabin you found.

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Fresh tears coming to do that. Yeah. You're in a house. Yeah. You're not in some cabin you found. Fresh tears coming to her eyes.

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Kristen PERSON asks why they're doing this.

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But James tells her not to think about that right now because it doesn't matter.

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What?

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Sounds like something that someone would say.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Kind of sounds like a guy who got told no and doesn't want you to think about what's

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happening around.

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He's a little bitter about it, maybe.

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He cradles her face and she seems to calm down a little,

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but then he says that they won't need a reason

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if they come through that door. Oh, cool. Thanks, James. James gets up and starts to walk further into the house, but he freezes. A silver flip phone rests on the counter.It's battery removed. He picks it up in shock. And when Kristen PERSON asks what it is, he tells her that it's his phone and they need to get out of here. I mean like, oh, now we believe that they're fucking

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phones. Okay, cool. We cut to the couple making a B-line for the car. James is somehow wearing his tie again,

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which made me laugh out loud because he just tied it

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around her hand. I did not

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notice this at all. Your sister showed me

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this morning and I was like, that's fucking.

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I laughed out loud. That's funny.

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Does it regenerate like Homer PERSON's beard?

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He went back to the closet. He's like, I can't go out.

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We're going out. It's an outfit.

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They can't see me like, the man in the mask

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has a suit. Yeah.

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But Kristen PERSON is still barefoot.

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And that really bothered me.

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Bertino had talked about seeing Liv Tyler's PERSON bruised and like hurt feet in real life, not as the character.

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He said that it made him feel guilty and made him wish that he had wrote in the script Kristen PERSON puts on shoes.

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But he didn't.

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But you are making the film.

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You are, yeah.

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And at any time.

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Damn, dude.

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But they said, I read a thing that said

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that she had gotten so, like, bruised and cut up

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that they, as the film goes on,

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we're putting makeup over that and putting on their own wounds because hers looked too bad.

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Yeah. Like they've worked their asses off on this. So that's a little more Ramey PERSON than...

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A little more.

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He's like, take your shoes off.

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Go run those laps.

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It's like, what?

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That's a little more Tarantino PERSON.

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That part of it.

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I'll give you that.

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They get inside the car and James slowly backs the car out.

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But just as they settle onto the street from the driveway,

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a big truck with blazing headlights rounds the corner.

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It's just now occurring to me.

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What wires were cut if they're still able to be moving the car?

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The windshield.

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I don't know anything about car.

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Or the radio or the AC. That's true. You can't be hot. We can't listen into music cars. Or the radio or the AC.

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That's true.

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You can't be hot.

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We can't listen to any music,

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but we can get out of here.

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No, if we're in the South LOC, just tell me.

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I'm not leaving without the A.C.

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In tact.

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Kristen PERSON asks who it is,

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and James answers that he doesn't know.

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But the truck stops right behind them.

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The brightness from the headlights

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filling the back window of their car,

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but suddenly the lights turn off.

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The person behind the wheel is shrouded in darkness, but when she leans forward into the glow of the street lights, we see Pinup Girl, played by Laura Margolis PERSON. With thin arched brows, long eyelashes, pink, eye shadow, and blush, a bright red lip and slick black hair, pin-up girls mask peers at them from behind the windshield.

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I really want to talk about their masks just for a second. I wanted to wait until everyone was introduced.

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Yeah.

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I read in the production notes that Bertino PERSON was hoping to accomplish this feeling of obviously originality with the masks, but also something that could be procured quite easily by anyone. Right.

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Okay.

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And so I feel like he did it perfectly because especially the man in the mask is just a bag.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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His is the scariest. Yeah. These other masks, though, they're made out of vacuum form plastic. And so they were made for the production and they were designed painstakingly. They went through several iterations before they settled on these. Okay.And I feel like it does strike that balance so perfectly because this does seem almost like a Halloween mask.

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Yeah, it does. You can just find in a store, but it's also so iconic and original in its own way that you can see how this took off and became such a striking image and honestly a perfect Halloween costume. Yeah.I will say one thing that they did discuss is how it creeped out all the actors on set because it's like Scott Speedman PERSON had said it's like a shark's

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eyes looking at these masks. You can't read any emotion from them. You can't read anything. It's just a plain face. And I can imagine how that would be quite frightening. Yeah.

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They said themselves, the actors behind the masks, that there's almost a power to it.

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And you feed off the energy that you inspire with the mask from the other actors.

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Right.

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And it kind of inspires your performance and gives you a different way to move in a scene, so to say.

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Yeah.

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I will say for me personally, I feel like dollface and the man in the mask get a lot of...

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Flowers?

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Flowers. Yes.

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I feel like PINUP is kind of the Michelle PERSON of the group okay okay I don't think that's fair yeah because I think that she's fantastic

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yeah yeah I agree I thought it was interesting too I watched an interview with Laura Margolis

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who had said that she showed up to film a week after the four of them were already doing this.

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Oh, wow.

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So I wonder if that kind of adds to her feeling like,

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I was reading, I think, in the production notes where one of the producers was like,

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she's the meekest one. And I don't read it that way.

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And they don't interpret her.

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The people behind the masks don't interpret pinup girl that way either.

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Laura Margolis and I believe Kip Weeks PERSON as well both called her the brains and the brawn

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behind the three of them. Because if you think about she's the one physically doing shit.

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Yeah.

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What I feel the vibe that I get is I get like Man of the Mask and Pinup Girl PERSON are married. Dollface is the daughter. That's how I see them.

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John Paul PERSON said something interesting as well.

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Yeah, to me, I took it as he was their father.

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But I think that's part of what makes it so scary is it could be either of those. It could be neither of those.

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Like we have no fucking idea. But the way that she got this part, I thought was really interesting. She had talked about in that interview, knowing the casting director for this film,

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they were casting for the role of James in L.A., but Liv Tyler was in New York GPE.

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And so the casting director called her to come and do the chemistry reads with them, kind of like as a favor. So she went and she was reading Live Tyler's parts in the auditions and was like, this script is really cool. She ended up reading itbut she was like there obviously is not a part for me in it. So she just thought it was a cool thing that she read. So then the casting director called her and was like, do you want to do Pinup Girl PERSON? And she was like, hell yeah. And so

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I thought that was a really interesting way for kind of she was like, hell yeah. Yeah. And so I thought that was,

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I thought that was a really interesting way for kind of the pieces to fall into place.

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Yeah. Because she does a really great job. And she talked about physically,

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she's the smallest out of the three of them. And so she thought it was really important to kind of channel and anger for this character. And she does do shit physically like we see right now with the truck that the other two

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are not doing.

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No.

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And then something else that happens later on, she kind of is like, oh, no, we're not going to be doing this.

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Yeah.

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But I just, I thought that was really interesting, the depth that's put into these, the three of them.

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What is meek about that destruction? Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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And real quick, Laura Margolis PERSON, a couple of things that she has been in.

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She did Dirty, sexy money from 07 to 09.

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Oh. She also did the ballot of Danko Jones in 2012. And she did Masters of Horror in 06.

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Oh. Yeah. I thought that was pretty interesting. I was like, that's cool. Yeah. Some of those were pretty good? Oh. Really? Yeah. I thought that was pretty interesting. I was like, that's cool.

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Yeah.

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Some of those were pretty good, I'd say.

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Yeah.

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But James is immediately like, get out of the car.

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But they turn back around and Kristen PERSON gasps in horror. Through the hole in the windshield, man in the mask looms. James is dumbstruck. And before he can do anything, Pinn PERSON up revs the engine of her truck and slams into the back of the car.James opens his door and climbs out, telling Kristen PERSON to do the same, as Pinup Girl backs the truck up to ram the car again. I watched on a featurette that there were stunt people in the carand behind the wheel.

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Laura Margolis talked about two instances where a stunt performer played pinup girl.

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And she was like, you could tell she wanted to do it herself, but they wouldn't let her.

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But the stunt coordinator, Cal Johnson, talked about they brought the truck back and they rammed it at 15 miles per hour.

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Then they brought it back again and rammed it at 25.

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And the stunt performers are in, they're in the driver's seat and the passenger seat.

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And then they backed up one more time and did it again at about 20 miles per hour because

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they said the car was already fucked up.

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But they wanted another shot of them rocking inside of the car.

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And in that little featurette,

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the stunt performers get out and they're thanking them. And the woman that was, I guess, sitting in for Liv Tyler PERSON was like, this better not end up on the cutting room floor. And it didn't.

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Good. The two

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sprint back into the house. James checks the back door and finds it open. He slides it shut and locks it. Kristen PERSON implores that they need a gun, but James is searching the shelves of a bookshelf. She asks if his dad has one,and he snaps at her angrily that he's looking. He says that there used to be one here when he was a kid, but his dad would always hide it. Pinup girl honks the horn outside, but James reaches to the top of the shelf and finds the unassembled gun. He gets the pieces together and tells Kristen PERSON that they should go to the bedroom.When they step into the bedroom, though, the curtains on the window above the bed are pulled open and written over and over again, maybe in blood, is the repeated word, hello. On the inside.

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On the inside.

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Which is troubling.

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I am I wrong, but whenever everything happened with the car, would you have ran back inside?

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I would not have stopped when she pulled up behind me.

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That's, yeah. And John Poll PERSON had said earlier, just run the dude over. Because he's standing in front of the car. It's like, I'm sorry, a car, car beats, paper beats rock.

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That bag, I'm mowing his ass over.

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No.

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He's like, well, we can't go forward.

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Why?

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Yeah, why not?

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Dude, not only that.

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If you're out here in the open, there's probably a chance.

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Once you go around the backyard, you can get out the other side of the house.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. True.

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No, the whole thing was foolish.

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And it feels like, there are these moments

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where it's like, oh, we can do this.

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No, run back into the house. Oh, we can do this. No, run back into the house. It almost feels like, I don't want to say pointless because there are good moments of tension, but after a certain point, it's just like, just let him stay in the fucking house.

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Well, why are we doing this?

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Regroup, regroup. Yeah.

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Why are we doing this?

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James checks that the bathroom is empty, but Kristen PERSON stays behind,

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staring at the words and disbelief.

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Suddenly, the strangers outside start to throw mud at the glass, splattering it with loud bangs.

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That's a little juvenile.

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I say mud because I'm assuming it's mud.

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I hope.

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Oh.

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Oh.

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Kristen and James rushed to the closet.

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There is a deleted scene with the two of them hiding in that bathroom,

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and I don't know if it would have gone here,

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but I don't know when it would make sense for it to go.

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Maybe that's why it was deleted because she is wearing the flannel.

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She's not in the dress.

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But she's talking about, I guess, them not getting engaged.

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And she remembers her father calling her to let her know that her mom had passed away.

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And she left

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to take the call in the bedroom

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and James came in and consoled her

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but she was

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questioning why she didn't think

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to call him

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to console her

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to want him in that moment.

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Okay.

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That she was glad when he came but why didn't she think or want to call him?

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And so it's this moment of them kind of reflecting on their relationship. And I don't, I think it's just to add a little more depth of who they are in their relationship.

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And like her saying that she loves him, but maybe she hasn't fully, you know, I, I don't know.

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But I'm like, this wouldn't be the moment to do that.

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I don't know when would be the moment.

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Maybe before all of this started would be a really good moment to add more character to them and speak more to their relationship. Okay. Well, because, yeah, I mean, the timing, they, everything that just happened outside, they're slinging out of the thing and you go to the bathroom and she's like, you know, I was thinking a little bit earlier. Yeah. It's so no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, she's like, you know, I was thinking a little bit earlier. Yeah.

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It's so no. Yeah. Well, I feel like that could have been

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a conversation to have at the table. Yeah.

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There you go.

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Before they started to put it in or whatever.

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But I would like more of who they were

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before this moment because when we meet,

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she's crying and he's fucking pissed off.

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Yeah.

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I would like to know them more as a couple,

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to know more about either or both of them individually.

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It was just a weird scene to have in that moment of them hiding.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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But they rush into the closet and James immediately starts to look through shoe boxes. And when Kristen PERSON finds out he's looking for bullets, she snaps into action and starts searching. But James finds what he's looking for, a pink shoebox filled with shotgun shells. The two sink to the floor,and James struggles to put the shotgun together. He admits to her that he doesn't know how to use it. He doesn't even know if he can load it. Her brow knitted together in confusion. Kristen PERSON reminds him that he used to go hunting with his dad, but Jamesconfesses that he never did. It was just something he said. Dude,

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what the fuck?

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Are you serious? I, at least he's being honest now.

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No, I, I guess.

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Well, the chips are dead.

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We need this gun.

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Do you know how to think of it?

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Did you ever go hunting with your father, actually?

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For me, with the fan fiction that's being written,

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I feel like this would be an excellent moment of foreshadowing to say,

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maybe you're not who you claim.

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Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. Because what, I feel like it's probably something that came up in conversation. He was like, oh, yeah, like, totally. And then he's like, this is never going to come back in my family.

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We're never going to have strangers descending upon our home.

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But, I mean, did you just not go or did you not pay attention?

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Yeah.

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What do you mean?

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He was like, no, I never did.

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It's just something I said?

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Yeah.

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He does manage to put the gun together and stands with a handful of shells.

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Kristen PERSON stuffs more into the pocket of a suit and they head back towards the front door.

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He tells Kristen PERSON that when he opens the door, he wants her to run.

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But with these words barely out of his mouth, someone outside uses an axe to start breaking through the door.

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Another reference, I would say.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Take a shot.

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Yeah.

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Kristen screams at the top of her lungs and James rushes over to her.

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When he tells her to block the door,

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she stops screaming and the two work together to wheel the piano over.

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But the assailant continues to swing the axe,

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knocking into the top of the piano.

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Kristen PERSON drops to the ground and loads the shotgun

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as James throws chairs at the hole in the door.

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She hands the gun over to him,

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and just as the man in the mask appears

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in the huge hole he's made in the door, James fires. Everything goes quiet, and when the dust settles, no one is standing in the hole in the door.

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Supernatural feeling? Yeah.

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Again, did he really just too fast?

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Yeah, no shit. A shotgun blast. It's a bossburg. I don't know how fast you get orders to that.

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I did want to talk about this house and the production design.

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I read in the production notes and I saw a little feature at on the Blu-ray,

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but they were talking about, firstly, these exteriors of the home are real on location. Oh.

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Okay. And it was all part of location scouting, and they found the perfect specifications for what they needed. They only made a few modifications to the actual home,which was obviously the door. They created several of them because you've, I mean. Yeah. And the sliding glass door was not

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a part of the actual house. They had to put that in. Okay. But the interiors, the production designer is a guy called John Kreshmer. He did 81 episodes of Homeland WORK_OF_ART. But he was also in the art department on the Crow,

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the Exorcist 3. Oh. Okay. And the remake of the blob. Oh, right.

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Very nice.

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But he was talking about the detail in the script.

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Yeah. Because from the script, he was able to construct a floor plan to make all of these scares accurate in the places that Bertino PERSON described. Yeah.

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The interesting thing about it is he took his floor plan to a meeting with Bertino and it almost identically matched the floor plan that Bertino drew years before.

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Wow.

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He must have really explained it or like that's really cool.

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But he had said that since the lion's share of it takes place in one location, they had to

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finalize the design and the construction of everything before shooting began.

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Yeah.

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And so they got everything in order.

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I believe they said that it took two weeks to design, two weeks to draw the blueprints, and four weeks to build.

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Wow.

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And so they built these interiors on a warehouse set in South Carolina GPE. Okay. Since they were filming there.

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In Florence GPE. Right.

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Yeah. But he conferred with Bertino and Peter Sova PERSON, the cinematographer, the entire time, because you're having to get these scares in order for the camera to be able to move through it to make sure that it's to Bertino PERSON's specifications. Yeah.They actually worked on the storyboards together. Okay. To make sure that everything flowed and worked properly. But the set decorator was a person called Missy Barant and she captured a 1970s aesthetic based on Bertino PERSON's specifications.

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Yeah. Because you feel that this is the tone they're trying to capture. Yeah. And it fits so well. That's another thing that I was

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so confused by is to say, you know, in the John Laracette PERSON thing at the beginning that's not John Larichette in 2005 or whatever. Yeah. We could

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lose the cell phone bit completely and just have this set in the 70s. You really could actually. I was in the 70s. You really could, actually.

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I was thinking the 70s kind of dressing because this is the family home.

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You know?

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That too. But yeah, you really could. That's weird.

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Oh, but then you got to kill the boys calling 911 PRODUCT, like all of it.

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Well, but they can call. All right.

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I mean, they could use the house phone or whatever.

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Find one, run to a neighbor's house.

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Fair enough, fair enough.

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Which is about 15 miles away.

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Apparently, because, again, all the screaming and shotgun blasts and nothing.