Why NBA Players Can't Play in the NFL

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NBA versus NFL ORG.

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Could NBA players really just stroll right into the NFL ORG and get on the field?

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Trevor Lawrence PERSON versus the world,

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lots of questions about why Trevor Lawrence PERSON is maybe even overrated

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versus some other quarterbacks in the NFL ORG. And a whole lot more coming at you right now.

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So it's interesting because in my personal life, I pay zero attention to the NBA ORG. Pittsburgh GPE didn't have a team. You know, I kind of like Larry Bird and Magic ORG growing up. But, I mean, I didn't regularly even watch the NBA ORG. But since basically, I'd say the last 20 years or so. I mean, when I was a bachelor for a year living in Akron GPE, basically, I started paying attention to the playoffs.And I would say last week, I started watching the NBA ORG. And that's about when I start picking it up here. Is this about this time of year? So I watched two games last night. I watched, you know, games the night before. That's very rare for me. And immediately, I, of course, think about football, you know, like, I know so little, like, I know LeBron and the Greek NORP freak and those guys, but I always have to ask my buddies. I'm like, who's good on this team? And they'll be like, watch this Anthony Edwards guy. He's pretty good. I'm like, so I watch him and I'm like, I'll take him to camp.You know, he can come to La Trobe with me for the Steelers ORG. You know what I mean? Like, there's no doubt. Now, I'm sure the football mentality is you can't handle the rigors, the physicality, getting hit, 17 games, getting blasted. And that's the thing that's really hard to comment on. But if I take the easy route and say,how many NBA players would you invite to an NFL ORG training camp and make them projects? That number is pretty huge and they would get weeded out quick. I don't know if the NBA would take anybody from the NFL ORG and put them on the court,

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you know, even bring them to camp. There's a few things that are that are at work here. Yeah. With the initial statement. A, it's completely false, in my opinion, in either direction. I would say the number is probably, I would put the over under at 0.5 players that could from one sport play on the other sport and make a roster.

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Ooh, how might fight you on that?

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Yeah, it's 0.5. So 1 or 0 players. And the reason is because there's too much skill involved.

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Now, I'm thinking they only could play receiver and corner. First off. NBA ORG players? Yeah. No.

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Like, I don't want you anywhere near the ball.

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Well, see, I don't, I don't buy that either.

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I don't think they could do either one of those positions.

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I think it's tied end only.

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There's one position they can play in the NFL ORG's tight end.

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And they're not wanted anybody. If it was that

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easy, how come there's not more

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ex-NBA ORG players, basketball

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players that didn't cut it that are playing in the NFL ORG right now? Because there's always like that one guy. The 49ers ORG signed an undrafted for re-agent Mason Pline PERSON who played a year

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of football after he played some college basketball. And he was undrafted and he's he's not you know,

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he's not even an NBA ORG hopeful type of athlete. We go through, we just went through this process, Matt PERSON, of scrutinizing all of these draft picks. And one of the players, Keon Coleman PERSON,

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played college basketball, Michigan State ORG, right?

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So there's a chance that he could go, you know, sit on the end of a bench. Well, here's the other thing. So in the NFL ORG, can you hit?

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Can you be hit? Because it's a lot. You or I, Matt PERSON, could go be the 12th man on the NBA ORG roster because you don't get in the game. You hold a chair down.Yeah.

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So, but if you're on an NFL ORG roster and you have to play special teams. You have to cover points. You have to hit. And let's just break down what athletes there are in the NBA ORG because clearly they'reathletic. I mean, NFL ORG guys too are super athletic. There's 40-inch verticals all over the place in the NFL ORG, right? It's just they lack height.

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And, you know, skill, I'm sure there's some NFL ORG guys. There's NFL guys right now today playing basketball somewhere. Oh, yeah, yeah.

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How many, how many NBA players in the off season were like, hey, let's go play a pickup football game? They don't even play them flag.

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Throwing or catching a football, period. How many times have they done that in their life? Athletic is heck, athletic is heck for sure. But you're just, so breaking it down. or catching a football, period. How many times have they done that in their life? Athletic is heck for sure. But you're just, so breaking it down by height, weight speed. Okay, you're six, seven, 185 pounds.Where does that prospect get drafted? He doesn't in the NFL ORG. He doesn't have a position. He doesn't have a position. He doesn't, he would, he would not get drafted. You're like, okay, gain for, like, how many years do we have, right? Like, let's take LeBron PERSON from high school. He never plays basketball.

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The rest of the time. I watched him in high school. It's why he brought him up.

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Like, we offered him a scholarship. Yeah. So, athletically, that's a future NFL tied end potentially. But he's still six, eight. He would be an oddly shaped NFL ORG player still, even though he's a freak of nature athlete. But you would have to train him from high school, teenage years through his early 20s to get him, you know, through college and into the NFL ORG to play tight end in the NFL. He's 39 currently. He's not making an NFL roster either, and he's LeBron James PERSON.So I wouldn't put him on the list. You know what I mean? Today, if we're talking about he's because the court is right now 30 guys. There's zero chance 30 guys are making an NFL ORG roster could play. They would get folded in half. They wouldn't make it through Chaining Camp ORG.They can't handle getting touched barely on a basketball court. You're going to run through a brick wall on an NFL ORG court. I think there's a huge limiting factor there for some of these guys. And I'm just trying to figure out like, you know, none of the seven footers are going to play. They're not going to, you know, they're not going to break 5-0 in the 40-yard dash. There's some athletic guys that can run a little bit. They might block a kick. I just saw a clip of C.J. Stroud and Michael Parsons PERSON in Japan

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with sumo wrestlers. Did you see that? I saw Parsons PERSON take it on a sumo.

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There's a better chance that you could pull a sumo wrestler out and play offensive line easier than you can find an NBA ORG player that could play any position other than

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tied in. I think you're right about that. And you said that better than I did. And a lot of it's just the skill. You're like, I don't care how. I was looking at it like, man, I turn the NBA ORG on this time of year every year and I'm like blown away by their athletic ability and the moldable clay and how well they change directions and how fluid they are, explosive and long. And maybe the conversation is kind of more the key on Coleman PERSON one of if you let all the candidates for both sides play football and basketball in college, where there's unlimited rosters, you know what I mean? Like there's more roster space. There's some developmental time.I think more hoopers would translate to football than more football players would translate to hoops. But they would need so much time. You know, like I referenced the LeBron PERSON stuff. So like I vividly remember watching LeBron PERSON's high school tape. And if you look at my timeline, Jeremy Fowler PERSON wrote an article about it, SportsIllustrated ORG wrote an article about it way back when I was quoted in it. And he just played because he was good. And he had a lot of buddies on Akron St. Vincent St. Mary's ORG team. And all he did was line up outside the numbers and run go routes and then throw the ball high and he'd go pluck it. You know, I mean, like, who's going to come?

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I saw the same clips.

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He wasn't even that good of her. Like, he was much better. It wasn't like, oh, this guy's an amazing same clips. He wasn't even that good. He was much better. It wasn't like, oh, this guy's an amazing football player. He was just big and athletic. Yeah, he threw the ball high and he got it. He was a much better basketball player.So, you know, because you're a great athlete doesn't mean you're a good football player. I don't even know if you went to practice, though, to be honest. I mean, like, they weren't getting LeBron PERSON hurt.

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You think LeBron could be an NFL ORG tied end if that's the path he chose and took, right? But again, the skill problem, how long does it take? And I think that's a big part of it. One thing is there's a 53-man rosters in the NFL ORG. So there's more opportunities. You know, there's only 12-man rosters.If there's 53-man NBA ORG rosters, well, it'd be a heck of a lot easier for any of these great athletes to go play on a basketball team, right? So if you're just talking about the number of total players, whatever that number is in the NFL ORG is, you know, four times bigger than it is in the NBA ORG. So if you opened up the same amount of numbers, would more NFL ORG athletes be able to play that number?You know, could a, you know, and so now you're talking about a D1 style athlete, and we have seen that already, right, as far as NFL ORG athletes playing college football. Some of them currently have played college football, I mean, that they're in the NFL ORG.

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There's guys that could probably shoot the lights out.

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There's not tall enough, right? There's not the right body type to play in the NBA ORG, which is a big part of all of this in scouting. And we go, you know, we go crazy with scouting and like knock guys for, for whatever, you know, think of whatever tall, skinny, wide receiver, right? And he gets knocked because of his body type is not an asset necessarily.

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And these guys are, you know, even more weird, weirdly shaped compared to what we are looking for NFL ORG players. I would put it a different way. There's a much better chance that you could put a starting five NFL players that are a much better basketball team than you could put a starting 11 offense or defensive NBA ORG players that are a football team. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's no centers.

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There's no guards. Would be worse, right?

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They wouldn't block a soul. Right.

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Like, maybe there's an edge rusher in the group.

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Like, I keep looking length and like somebody that's float off the ball.

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Yeah. Who can, and here's my biggest, I think the biggest one for me is the, the perfect example of it. So who would you, so what kind of football, what kind of NBA ORG player would make a good football player? A guy who's maybe not, you know,height isn't his biggest strength, um, but he's a tough guy. He's strong. He's got some girth to him, some physical.Right. So you think, oh, Dremont Green PERSON. Perfect example.

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Like a Barclay PERSON maybe, but I mean,

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right,

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right, exactly. But we have tape of Dremon Green at the Michigan State ORG when he's in college trying to play football tied in at the Michigan State ORG Spring game.

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And he was awful. It is awful. It is awfully ugly. And he's like the perfect example of what you'd think, okay, this is what would make maybe a good football player and it was bad.

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We should have been playing on the D line instead, but it just didn't look right. You know, so it just doesn't immediately translate just because you're a good athlete or whatever. Physicality's different.You know,

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you don't just run down the field untouched and just to get to jump up and catch a ball in the end zone. Right. I think you nailed it. What the strength would be for most of these guys immediately. You would need years and you would need to hold skills.There's not enough skills to be at that level for the transition from one sport to the other. So that's why I think the number is 0.5.

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I would love, love, love the mold and eager, tough NBA ORG athlete into a football player, but it wouldn't happen quick. And I'm sure when this got thrown out on social media, a lot of football players probably responded like, dude, you should have seen me hoop in high school. You know, I was Indiana

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player of the year or Michigan player of the year.

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Yeah. And you still have no chance.

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I mean, you're still so far from being an NBA player, you know what I mean? It's funny is the responses. I would think that too. The responses aren't that. The responses are the opposite. Come on out and we will fold you in half is kind of the response.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We're hearing from the NFL ORG guy. They're right. And we can play in the NFL or in the NBA ORG. They're saying, no, no dice.

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Last example I have.

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Being a tall, fast, tall athletic person. And speed is a big thing. Like, you guys are athletic, but how many, how many NBA players are running 4-4 or better?

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Even though they're super athletic can, you know, smooth.

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Flat-out speed isn't as much of an attribute.

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Right.

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And it's all kind of too tall.

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So that's the whole,

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tall the positions except for tied in.

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No one's strong enough.

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So real quick,

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just off a personal example,

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when I was the recruiting assistant of Pitt ORG, Dorel Revis and Terrell Pryor PERSON were phenomenal football recruits, of course, and they were also clearly the best basketball player in the city, if not the state. And I watched a ton of their basketball tape, you know, because, you know, we were trying to get both when we ended up with Revis PERSON. And they were unbelievable. They were better than everybody in the court times a thousand. And I think they got like Mac PERSON offers. You know what I mean? Like,

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you know what I mean? They're not telling us. They're not the right. And Threll Pryor PERSON was a football

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recruit. He was a five star and Revis is a four star. You know what I mean? And it's,

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it's first of all, NBA players and NBA fans are absolutely insane, Matt PERSON. They are bonkers. As crazy as NFL fans can be, the conversations, the NBA ORG circles, the NBA players, and they're weird, man. They're out there. And so I'm sure they all fully believe they can do whatever they want in the world, right?

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But, man, the, they're freaks of nature. Um, I stood next to Steph Curry PERSON.

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And I'm six four. He's my height. And he's like, that's, he's like a little baby man on the, on the court, right?

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He's small. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's like max height for any position other than tied in that any of these guys can play.

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And he's athletic, but he's not running four, four.

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Right.

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I mean, he couldn't be an option quarterback or, I mean,

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there's too much skill to throw in the ball or, you know.

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Yeah. I was thinking receiver, but yeah, right, right, right. So anyway, it's a silly argument, and the answer is much lower than anybody thinks.

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I have played a fair amount of pickup hoops with former NFL ORG players. And I mean, this is in a back gym, you know, and they were unbelievably good, even though they had no hoop background. Like, I was the second tallest guy on the brown staff, so I got to guard Ben Coats PERSON, our tight end coat. And that wasn't the slightest bit competitive. Right, yeah. But this is apples to oranges. I mean, he gave 30% effort and got every rebound. You know what I mean?

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Next, we got a lot of questions about Trevor Lawrence PERSON in the mailbag for some reason. And when do teams realize that they drafted a bust next? This episode of Peacock Williamson is brought to you by Fandwell America's number one sports book. It's winner take all time in the NBA and the NHL ORG, and Fanduil ORG's giving you a shot to bring home a big win of your own. Right now, new customers get $150 in bonus bets with any winning $5 bet.That's $150 to bet on spreads, money lines, player props, and more. So visit Fanduel.com ORG slash locked on, make every playoff shot count. And, of course, you can still bet on NFL ORG football futures. Who's going to win the next Super Bowl EVENT, offensive, defensive,rookies of the year and a whole lot more. Visit fanduel.com slash locked on. Fan duel America's number one sportsbook. The fans out there, Matt PERSON, speaking of crazy NFL ORG fans, everyone gets really insecure in the off season.They're like, why does, why isn't our guy better than the other team's guy, you know, and so we're getting a lot of that right now. And I'm seeing a lot of it with the 49ers ORG and Brock Purdy doing lockdown 49ers. We got a lot of questions about Trevor Lawrence PERSON, though. And everyone wants to point at their own quarterback and say, well, why does everyone love Trevor Lawrence PERSON when our guy's just as good?And it started with Gardner Minshue PERSON. And this one from B. Wigs 92 ORG, he threw up some stats here. And he said, is Trevor Lawrence PERSON good? This comp between Minshu and Lawrence PERSON is interesting. Gardner Minshu is throwing more touchdown passes and less interceptions than Trevor Lawrence during their NFL careers, 59 touchdowns to 58 touchdowns favoring Gardner Minshuand 24 interceptions to 39 interceptions favoring Garden Minshu versus Trevor Lawrence PERSON. I think it's an awful comparison.

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Very thick stats was my only take on this one, but there's other questions about Trevor Lawrence too. Quite a few. I mean, is he better than Baker Mayfield PERSON? And I think it's a pivotal time in Lawrence PERSON's legacy. You know, the first year you could wash away of awful coaching, awful situation,no one would have succeeded. Now it's kind of put up or shut up time if you're going to be a true superstar. Like, I think he's over the hump of he's a franchise quarterback all day long. I'm still a huge believer. If we were, for example, if the NFL ORG created a new expansion team, the California Peacocks, and I had a top 10 pick, I wouldn't hesitate to draft Lawrence PERSON. And I urge everyone to actually listen to it yesterday now that I'm thinking about it. The athletic does this every year where they have two quarterback experts on. It used to beNate PERSON Tice. This year, Nate didn't join them. And they have a quarterback draft. You know, Mahomes went first. Allen went second. Lawrence went like seventh, you know, from people I really trust that are quarterback experts. And I didn't bat an eye. You know, like I thought, I'm cool with that. I'm still on board. Maybe it is a little bit of leap of faith. Maybe he's been a little bit disappointing. But like he went ahead of Caleb Williams, you know, like the California Peacocks. Would you rather have Williams or Lawrence PERSON?

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I mean, I think that would be pretty close. I think that's a close one. Yeah. And maybe knowing what Trevor Lawrence is, you'd think, okay, there's a certain amount of potential that Caleb Williams is better than that. And it's worth betting on because the downside is maybe you don't think there's a big enough downside that he's going to be a lot worse than Trevor Lawrence PERSON.

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I could buy it.

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I don't know that I would necessarily take Caleb Williams over Trevor Lawrence PERSON. I would probably take Trevor Lawrence PERSON knowing that he's already good. And I think there's a lot more there. And that's the thing. He's not done yet. He went to a really bad situation to start his rookie year.So, you know, I don't know how many, you know, do we hold Peyton Manning's rookie year against him when he threw more

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interceptions by a lot, you know? And so it's just, you got to watch and play. And there's not many stats that, you know,

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and, you know, Gardner Minch, you throw in a three-yard pass on third and seven and completes it. But guess what? You're still punting. You know what I mean?

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So it's like, what are we really doing here? Just watch the games, watch the players. And it's not a knock on the other guy. It's not a knock on Baker Mayfield PERSON. It's not a knock. You know, there's the Herbert Tua PERSON thing that, that we get a lot of questions about as well. It's not a knock on Tua to say thatI've taken Herbert PERSON easily, right? And in a lot of these conversations, yeah, I'm just, I'm taking Trevor Lawrence PERSON. And, you know, you can take your guy if you want. But it's, it's not a knock on your guy to say another guy. You prefer him. And, you know, find, you can find a stat that's going to say anything you want eventually. Yeah.

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And one thing I talk about a lot with quarterbacks is there's no stat for the Matthew Stafford attempts this pass, but Baker Mayfield PERSON doesn't. Or Derek Carr PERSON turns down a lot of throws, you know, and boosts this completion percentage by dumping it to Camaro, where Stafford PERSON would have driven the ball, maybe throw an interception,but drive the ball in a tight window, you know, the passes you don't attempt, there's no stats for. And the serious coaches, play callers, big time, big time tape watchers, will tell you limitations limitations is the word.You know, like, hey, Baker Mayfield PERSON's fine. Even Kirk Cousins PERSON is fine, but they have limitations. And the defensive coordinator knows it and the play caller knows it. And it's hard to work around the quarterback's limitations. And I don't think Lawrence PERSON has, you know, hardly any or any limitations. We've got more in the hopper.

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We took up a lot of time with the NBA NFL ORG conversation, which is a fun one, so that's okay. But I want to get to is Chris Ballard PERSON overrated? And when do teams know that their draft pick is a bust next? This episode of Peacock and Williamson is brought to you by Monopoly Go PRODUCT.We've all been there either as a player or a fan. It's halftime, scoreboard not looking good. You're feeling low, not sure. You or your team can pull out a win. That's when you dig deep.You lift up your head. And you say to yourself, it's time to get back in the game. Pull off some bank heists and take as much of my friend's money as I possibly can. That's right. The smash hit mobile game Monopoly Go PRODUCT lets you compete with your friends and get the mostriches and the biggest empire. You can work with your friends. You lets you compete with your friends and get the most riches and the biggest empire. You can work with your friends. You can also work against your friends and heist their money. And you can win with your buddies. You can charge them rent on the iconic Monopoly PRODUCT properties. And so play it however you want and climb those leaderboards.So get back out there. Put your game face on. Download Monopoly Go PRODUCT, now free on the app store or Google Play. When do teams know they drafted a bust, Matt PERSON? How early is it? And I think it's probably different for everybody. I know covering the 49ers that A.J. Jenkins PERSON, who was a first round pick late in the 2013 draft, like couldn't even run a route in his first training camp,was like falling on the ground. Some of the reports about it was just instantly he's like, well, he's not playing and they traded him before his second season even started. For another guy who was a bus, John Baldwin,first round receiver from the Kansas City Chief ORG.

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They're like, plus a president of the same thing. Yeah. And neither guy did anything for his second team either. So I think one of the answers is day one immediately you might find that out.

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I think so. I'm really worried.

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Really worried. Or like the position coach goes to the coordinator or the head coach and be like, I don't know if I can work with this guy. You know, like I just met him. Nice to have you here. Yes, I see that he's fast or strong or whatever and what you just scouts saw on him,but he has no clue what he's doing and he doesn't seem very capable of learning or interested. I will say, again, this is different. I mean, it's kind of like our basketball conversation, but we used to give out 25 scholarships a year. That was the max when I was at Pitt ORG. And 25, more or less, you know,would show up at camp the first day and you'd be like, I don't think three of them have a shot. You know what I mean? Like he got fat or he doesn't, you know, he's not adjusting to being away from home from Miami to Pittsburgh GPE or Houston to Pittsburgh or he's just getting run over by seniors and not even the slightest bit competitive. Like every year, you kind of hold tight. Like, I mean, the recruiting world, it was like the area scouts, you know, basically at different areas were, would fight for their dude, okay, and eventually convinced the head coach, we're going to give them a scholarship.But they're not out of the woods until after that kid isn't here for a week or so. You know what I mean? Like you're still keeping up with them as the area scout, you know, and how you doing?Are you in shape? You know, it's going to be a big adjustment. Because if he gets there and he looks terrible, people aren't going to vowed for you anymore. Like,I'm not taking the kid from Jersey GPE. Your area, you don't handle it well or whatever. So at that level, I think it was very obvious. I'm sure the NFL ORG's not as obvious. It's, I think it's easier or it's harder to be a

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complete bust at some positions where you can filter guys in, rotate them in and out, multiple players play. They might not be the guy you hoped they were going to be, but they can at least get on the field and play a certain role or be a backup. But like the position is like quarterback, it's like you just may never be able to play, never get on the field.

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And you might hope that by year two, okay, let's see. He's just not going to get there mentally or he just doesn't see the field well or he can't hit the broad side of a barn. And, you know, and that's it. And you move on.

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And so I think it's harder to stamp the position as a bust with quarterbacks. But man, it can take a little while. But man, I think it probably happens. I think most teams have a really good idea after the rookie season and maybe after rookie training

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camp. Yeah. I mean, a week of being with them time and time again, maybe even rookie minicamp, definitely into training camp when they're really hitting. I think you have some serious concerns. And then you'll see teams quickly into training camp. We'll go get that veteran linebacker for League Minim to a one-year deal because Johnny in the fifth round is long way away and may never get there. I was going to say something smart.I forget what the heck it was. Oh, well. Oh, you mentioned positions. I think that's really important, too. Like, we know Xavier Worthy PERSON can at least come out there and run go routes. You know, I'm sure Chop Robinson can at least on third and eight, you know, speed rush.You know what I mean? But, like, I answered this 8,000 times last year because it Broder Jones a good five, six games before he became the starter. I'm like a lineman can't just

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be situational. You know what I mean? Like I can't just come out there and do one thing well. I mean,

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Lyman can't have holes. Why don't they do that? Why don't you sub in a third down tackle?

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You could, right? He's a past protected specialist, right?

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Yeah. Here you're fooling. You can still run the ball once, you know?

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It's first down, roll five guards out there. And then on the third and you bring guys that are better pass blockers that aren't people moves. How come no teams tried that?

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I have actually, that's a long conversation. But why does every offensive lineman have to play every snap? You know what I mean? Like, is it a tough guy thing? You know, like, once in a while you can pull a guard out for a series or he's got a bad shoulder or, you know,I think it's a tough guy thing.

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It might be. Coach wants to know why does Chris Ballard PERSON get so much love? What has he ever done? What kind of franchise players has he drafted? This is a huge year. We talked about Trevor Lawrence PERSON.So you'd hear for Chris Ballard PERSON. If his quarterback, he drafted last year in the first round hits, there's a lot of talent

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on that team, then get ready to get more Chris Ballard PERSON love.

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But if not, he might refresh his, refreshing up his resume. I think one of the big things with Chris Ballard PERSON, he just presents himself well when you hear him talk. He convinces you of what he's talking about. He was, you know, a highly regarded assistant GM or whatever his role previously was and he was just well thought of around the league and league circles. And so I think that reputation has helped him. So people speak highly of him and he seems to run a smart organization and smart draft room. but in the end, it's a results business.And look, a crazy amount of athletes. Everyone kind of knows what his MO is. You're going to have high, relative athletic scores with his drafts. But at some point, you've got to start winning a whole bunch of games. And I think it's going to all revolve around his, again, high athletic score quarterback.

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I don't know that he's overrated, and I haven't heard a ton of people singing his praises that he's one of the best GMs we've ever seen or anything of that light. But I do think there's a couple things that are noteworthy, and you hit him pretty hard, is if Richardson's great, he's going to be great. If Richardson stinks, he's going to be fired. I mean, obviously that's, you're tied to him.You're married to the quarterback now. When you take one that high, that's the case. I do think that organization is reluctant to spend on the open market. So we have to judge him just through drafts as opposed to drafts and free agency compared to some other teams. And his owner is maybe admittedly, but obviously a little off his rocker, you know, and so was his dad.So every organization is different and every GM's challenges are different, but that's the cards he was dealt, was he has to deal with that owner and not spend a lot in free agency. I also think another trend, as you mentioned, is, you know, all length and RAS and athletes, and that means they need to be developed. And that's not an out for him. But then when you take all these raw athletes and give them to a coaching staff, now you kind of deflect some blame and be like,well, I drafted good athletes. They just never developed them. And developing players is much harder now on the CBA than it was 10, 20 years ago. And then my last trend with him, though, is a lot of day two picks. Like, there's a lot of second rounders on that roster, you know, but there's not a lot of studs, you know?

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Last one here from Josh PERSON. And obviously, it's a new era of football when it comes to running backs versus what, you know, you and I grew up with. The question from Josh PERSON is, how many every down workhorse running backs are even left, less than five? I think it is less than five, actually, because I've been thinking about this.

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And I think some guys have, you know, like aged out or dropped off the list because you had Derek Henry PERSON,

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who by the way, he was still the number two rusher last year.

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But now he's on a new team. Will he still be that workhorse guy? Is his time now over? Has he dropped off the list? You have players like Nick Chubb PERSON who got injured. Is that the factor that's going to knock him off the list?Is he now going to be just a bigger chunk of a committee running back going forward rather than a true workhorse running back? Chris McCaffrey PERSON led the league in touches and yards, and he's clearly won right now. He's turning 28. That's where the precipitous drop starts to happen,and we're getting fewer and fewer new ones to replace the old ones in the NFL ORG. And even Bejohn Robinson was a committee guy as a rookie. Will that change with a new regime in Atlanta? So I'm going to nitpick the question a little bit because every down running back and workhorse running back are two different categories to me. Like McCaffrey's in every down running back, Brise Hall, Bejohn Robinson, Kamara PERSON a coupleyears ago, where I think workhorse running backs are Henry Chubb PERSON. I'm not even saying he's great, but Najee Harris is think workhorse running backs are Henry Chubb PERSON. I'm not even saying he's great, but Noggy Harris PERSON is a workhorse running back. You know what I mean? He's not that that's the beauty of them. Gus Edwards PERSON is a workhorse running back.Like the things they have going for him is you can beat the crap out of these guys. You know what I mean?

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So for answering the question, he put it, they have to be both because he says how many every down workhorse running backs are left. So you have to be not only a workhorse, but an

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every down back, which makes it a smaller number by a lot. Yeah. I mean, I think that's like McCaffrey, Breece Hall, Bejohn, like they're going to be the top three that go in every

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fantasy draft, you know, I mean, the guys that are on the field for all situations and a high,

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high percentage of snaps. Sequelquin Barclay PERSON. Yeah.

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There.

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Ecuador was just a year or so ago.

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You know what I mean?

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There's guys like that.

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Yeah.

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Camara PERSON not long ago, you know.

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Henry PERSON's close.

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I mean, he's just not going to be out there on third and eight.

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Yeah.

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He never has been.

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Yeah. So he's probably not really that guy, even though workhorse and he gets most of a huge chunk of the, of the snaps. Travis Atean PERSON gets a lot of snaps, thousand yard back for the Jacksonville ORG.

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I mean,

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there's a,

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true, it's less than five, though. If you true, workhorse every downbacks, it's less than five.I mean, like is Romandre Stevenson PERSON one? I mean, if Naji Harris, I mean, you only have to be great. I mean, if you're getting 80% of your touches in the backfield, I think you qualify.

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Can you be for a short time or are you currently and projected to be is kind of a little bit different?

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Because Jane Connor PERSON can carry the ball

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200 times and be on the field on third down.

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I think he counts. Yeah.

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So I think it's a big number,

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but that's not ideal. Yeah.

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That number's going to change this year

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because they just drafted a second round running back, right? The car doesn't. But the 22 version of Connor or nausee PERSON or, you know, guys that are... I mean, they're going to get hurt. Everybody gets hurt.But when they're right, they're demanding 75% of the snaps or touches from their position. I think that counts. Yeah.

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But it's a tough life.

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And projecting 2024, who of those...

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Because the guys that may have done it in the past Connor Henry PERSON might not do it anymore Right

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No I think it's always a dwindling number

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I mean because there'll be somebody that emerges

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And we don't think you know What's his face? Brooks from Texas GPE might get If he's healthy might get a ton of them for Carolina

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Or you know what I mean? Jacobs PERSON and yeah Josh Jacobs is a great or, you know what I mean, Jacobs and.

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Yeah, Josh Jacobs PERSON was a great one. He counts.

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Yeah. I mean, he'll, he carried the ball 233 times last year. We had 805 yards. He's a 3.5 yards per carry, you know, he's like, I don't think you necessarily want, even the guys who can do it to do it is kind of the point. 100%.100%. Yeah. And do you think Christian McCaffrey is going to play another 20 games this year and lead the league and touches? It's like how long, how many times can you do that in a row?Exactly.

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I mean, that's almost two different conversations. But when everybody's healthy, if you're massively demanding the touches and snaps, I think there's maybe 15 of them. And that doesn't mean they're great players.

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We're going a little too long today. So we've got to get out here. Appreciate all the questions, try to get as many as possible. Matt PERSON and I get a little long wind. Sometimes it's hard to hit too many questions.But keep those questions coming for next week's mailbag at BD Peacock, at Williamson, NFL ORG. Drop a question in the YouTube ORG comments. Make sure you subscribed up there. And everywhere you get your podcast, Matt and I, back tomorrow. Right here, Peacock and Williamson PERSON.Hey, Prime members.

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