CoachLife ft. Diego Moyano

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Welcome to Season 13 of Podiazis podcast, a proud member of the Tennis Channel Podcast Network ORG. I'm your host Lisa Stone, and this week is the launch of a series of podcasts we're going to be doing as part of our new relationship with the Coach Life ORG coaching platform. And more about that as you hear the podcast and as you hear subsequent episodes. But before I get into this week's conversation with Coach Diego Moyano PERSON, which y'all are going to just be blown away. And I have to say I could have stayed on with him for five more hours and still not covered everything. So you are in for a real treat. But I want to justgive you a quick rundown on Coach Life ORG. It is a new online coaching platform that has video content from a variety of top coaches from junior coaches, developmental coaches, college coaches, professional coaches. There's nutrition information, there's fitness information, there's footwork information, there's the mental side of the game. It is an amazing new resource available to anyone and it is a subscription service, but the caveat is they are offering a very nice discount to the parenting ACEs community.So if you are interested in signing up with Coach Life ORG, there's a very nice discount to the parenting Aces community. So if you are interested in signing up with Coach Life, there's going to be a special link in the show notes. And I want you to be sure and check those out at Parenting Aces.com ORG so that you do get the discount. And there is a special discount code that you'll need to use for this episode. That code is Diego PERSON and that's capital D,I E, G, O, and then capital P, capital A for parenting ACEs. So the code again is Diego P-A. That is the discount code for this episode of Coach Life ORG. And I hope that you will go visit their website. It is CoachLife.com ORG. And you're just going to be when you see everything that they have and all the amazing coaches available to help you as you navigate through this journey. Now, back to this episode with Diego Moyano PERSON, many of you know that name because he was with USDA player development for 10 years and has worked with some of the top American NORP players in the game.He also played professionally himself. And he has just an amazing wealth of knowledge that he shares with us in this episode. He's currently working with top American player Francis PERSON Tiafo and doing some great work with Francis. And we get into a little bit the difference of coaching these players as juniors and then what it looks like once they turn pro and how he transitions and helps them transition to the pro tour. So on top of all that, we get into his relationship with USDA ORG, his work with USDA, what USDA ORG player development is all about, where junior competition fits into all of that. So like I said,just gobs of information. Y'all are going to love it. He is just an amazing, amazing coach. And I feel so honored to get to interview him and now to get to share that with all of you. so honored to get to interview him and now to get to share that with all of you. So,

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Diego PERSON, it's so great to meet you, so great to get you on the podcast. I am thrilled to get some time from you away from Francis Tiafo PERSON, who I know is your main charge these days. And congratulations on all the great work that you guys have been doing together. All right.

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Hi, Lisa PERSON. How are you? And thank you so much for having me and thank you for your work. It's a tough journey. I mean, we are navigating a tough moment right now because it's points. You know how the ADP works. I mean, you have 12 months to kind of defend all the points and we are having a tough moment and and like getting getting workI mean getting everything done and try to move moving you know and in terms of getting better not only not only defending points and not only the ranking but also getting better so it's a tough journey but

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it's fun is a lot of fun well you've got a great charge is full of personality, and I've seen him on the practice courts, and I know he loves to work hard and play hard at the same time, and that's got to be a blast for you.

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Yeah, yeah, totally. We have a really good relation. We work together before when he was 15 to 19. And now, okay, we'll join forces again and it's a lot of fun. Yeah.

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I love it. I love it. Well, let's jump right into a conversation about the junior tennis journey and the various pathways that are available to players who want to achieve a high level

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in the juniors, maybe go on to play in college, maybe even go on to play professionally. And I want to really touch on what the role of the coach is in those various pathways, as well as what the role of the parents is from your perspective as a coach, and then how you all work together to form a team to really help the player achieve their highest level.

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Oh, that's a great topic, and my answer is going to be kind of an extended answer, and kind of I have to touch a couple of things. One, I feel that it's important, the coaching role in terms of we assuming that the majority of your parents, they don't play tennis or if they play, they play just recreational tennis. That's the majority. And as a coach, we have to help the parents, the kids, everybody to navigate through their journey is not easy. So that's on the first place.So on the other side, we have to understand that the parents are going to be always part of the kids, like journey and part of the team. So there's no such a thing about that, okay, well, I coach the kid and the parents are outside. No, the parents are inside. The parents are very important journey. Are the support?Are the people that are going to take the kid to the tournaments? Are the people that they're going to support when the kid is losing? They kind of comfort the kid after the loss or like be happy for a kid when they're winning or, you know, understand. So the parent role is huge, it's very important. And as a coach, we have to understand because how many times we hear, oh, no, I have the pressure from my parents. So this is, this is where the coach jumping in as well.It's not only teaching forehand backhand, it's building character, is understanding and building that bridge between or have the kid understand that it's not such a pressure or try to help the parents how to navigate through the journey and sometimes not getting too excited when they're winning or losing, you know. So that's important. And then this journey, like you say, when everybody wants to be professional, everybodywants to be Novot Jochukovic or Carlos Algaras PERSON, but it's tough, it's a tough journey when we decided, when the kid deciding to go college and when, when, how we know if the kid is ready to turn pro. And is my, is my son, my daughter good enough? Should I invest on the other thing? What about school?I should, should my kids stay on a regular school, or should they drop and go to a kind of online school and having more training? Those are like all the questions that we have in all the time. So if you allow me, I'm going to go through a little bit like a general idea, general pathway. On the first place, I'm going to go through a little bit like a general idea, general pathway.On the first place, I'm in my philosophy. I don't really like when the kid in general drop school or they go too early on online school. I'm nothing that I don't like, but it's just, it's just a personal. Every kid is different, and as a main idea, I would like the kids to stay,one, number one, stay in a rural school as much as they can, if they have a good tennis situation, and they can train. Number two, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, until thirteenyears old, as many other sport as possible. I don't like the specialization. I don't like the kid is nine years old and he's just playing only ten and it's DATE working. So obviously, as many parents told me, yeah, my son, we tried to getting them on my daughter on different sports, but they come back to tennis. That's fine, that's fine, but try not to go into their early specialization, meaning they can play football, they can play lacrosse, they can play basketball, they can play soccer, I mean mean boys and girls as much as they can.Then as 13, it becomes a little bit more, just a little bit more specific if you want.

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There's a difference between boys and girls in terms of their maturity.

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The boys, the ages for the boys are 14, 16, 18. And I'm going to explain a little bit why that age. With the girls, it's two to three years before that. So the girls are like 12. So 12 is the first, 14, 15, and then the age of 18, it becomes a little early 16 and a half. So with the boys, why 14, 16 a day?Normally the boys at 14, they decide at that age, they decide at that age, they decide which sport they like the most, what is the sport they're going to spend more time, more seriously. And then, but not, they don't know pro college, they don't understand that yet at 14. They like more one sport and they decide that they're going to do it more often and they're going to spend more time.At 16, the boys are already deciding kind of in which fashion they like to do that sport. Oh, I'm good enough. I think I would like to turn pro. I'm good enough. I think I can do like Division I college or Division II ORG or just I'm not I'm not I'm not really focused on which division I just want to go to the best college that I can and they

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have a specific like goal at that age 16 six DATE and they got you get to the 18

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years old which you decide that which pathway you can take. So it's a professional pathway, which is very unlikely. I mean, as a generation, 30% of that generation, three players out of 100, that's amazing, that's incredible. So we have this with the 97th and 98. So Taylor-Fridge Turn Pro, Tommy Paul Turn Pro PRODUCT, Riley Operica Turn Pro, Francis Tiafotone Pro PRODUCT.So before that, the other generation that we had that kind of number was Ryan Harrison PERSON. So the 92, basically.

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They didn't go to police.

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Ryan Harrison PERSON, then he schooled that a little bit, a little bit Jordan Cox PERSON and shat-off. So that's what I'm saying. It's a 3% or even less. With the girls, at 12 years old, we have kind of an idea.The girls are more material more serious that the boys at 12 years old they like to do things correctly and they like really focus more focus at the boys at that age at 14 we can have we we see how they start developing and by 16 that's why we see a lot of girls going into a pro tour earlier, like 16, 17, 18, because they developed earlier. And even before they need to, the age of going college,they already come pro because they're good enough or not. So the ages are like two to three years earlier than the boys. And then, well, we're going into the college pathway or professional pathway that 3% to 3% college pathway, which is a really, really important pathway here in the state. And, well, some others, they just take a kind of a recreational pathway as well. Right, right.

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I mean, there's so many choices, which makes it complicated. If you're a parent, even if you're like me, I grew up playing tennis. I grew up in a tennis family, but when it was time for my kid to make these different

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choices, things had changed so much. I really

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didn't know what to do and, you know, was seeking guidance. So I think, you know, having coaches

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that really understand these pathway options is so crucial and not just understand, but then take

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the time to actually sit down with the family and explain what these choices are.

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Totally. Totally. I totally agree. I think that's important because one of the things that as a parent, I mean, we face is how I know when and which pathway and when. how I know when and which pathway and when because I don't I don't want to be like sitting and like wasting time but at the same time I don't want I don't want to rush and I want my kids to be happy and and make the right choice and that that takes the time to kind of settle down talk to the parents all the time but there's no one talk. It's just navigate through the journey, which is every three months, four months. Something changed.The kid is changing, I mean, growing, injuries, everything. So then you go, oh, the kid that I was beating, now I'm losing and what happened before that kid it was like small and now it's six six tall QUANTITY so everything is changing and and you have to like help and trying to try to help them to make the right choices at the right time yeah for sure

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and you're obviously very passionate about this. You're working with a new organization called Coach Life ORG, where you're providing some videos and really trying to help players and the parents understand what it takes to kind of go through these pathways. Can you talk a little bit about why you decided to join Coach Life and what you're hoping to be able to accomplish with the work you're doing for that online subscription service?Yeah.

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So in the first place, I love to give back a little bit everything because at some point I was on that type. I was the 12, I was the 13, was the 13 14 years old kid that going through through this pathway I never so even if I was almost of 100 I never I never was a star so I went through myself through the whole pathway about about okay so now I'm I'm 14 15 what I do now I'm I'm I'm joining this so when when we 14, 15, what I do. Now I'm joining this.So when we talk about coach life, I love the idea of joining a kind of, I would say, a service where we can give back to the parents, the coaches, the recreational players. We kind of, the whole tennis community help to navigate on all these topics. So on the recreational players, we kind of, the whole tennis community helped to navigateon all these topics. So, and on the same platform, you have, well, you have me with all my videos and we're talking about different topics about, about this, where we just talk about the pathway, we're talking about the food world, we're talking about technique, we're talking about everything right there in one platform, but also you have nutritionists, you have a strength conditioning specialist, you have other coaches, developmental coaches, you have psychologists, sport, you know, like food work specialists. So you have everything in oneplatform which I feel that, I feel that it's very beneficial for parents and coaches to kind of go into one side. I mean, just you open one platform and you have everything that you need to navigate. And we launched also the technical kind of on the same platform. We're helping the players to go through technical. So there's a lot of things that is not just one tip because that also exists already. You know, like, if you think are giving you tips here.No, we begin into the topics. So that's what I like the most. And I really, like I was telling you before, working with top players is something that passionates me, but also the other part of the coaching that I love the most is the developmental side of coaching.And I think Coach Lively PERSON giving me that opportunity to kind of give back and be close to the kids, the young players, recreational players, and the parents to also help on that.

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I love that. And speaking of developmental, you worked with USDA for a decade, if I'm not mistaken, in player development. But before that, you grew up in Argentina GPE. You grew up being coached in Argentina GPE, and I'm really...

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I'm sorry, I can interrupt because something that not many people know about me is

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I'm from Argentina GPE. I grew up in Argentina until 14 years old.

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As 14, my parents got in backrooped in Argentina where we face a big economic crisis.

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And I have to, if I wanted to keep playing tennis,

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so I needed to leave Argentina GPE. That's what I did. I left Argentina GPE. And I went to France GPE. So I did all my player career from France GPE. I lived 16 years in France GPE. And so from 14 to France. So I did all my, my player career from France.I lived 16 years in France GPE. And so from 14 to almost 29, almost 30, I live in France GPE. And I made all my career from there. And then I went back to Argentina for a couple of years until I joined, I come to States, and I joined the USDA in 2009. Oh, well.

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Yeah, see, I did not know about the French NORP connection there. So thank you for that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that doesn't my, my, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

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No, I'm going to change my question because I was going to ask you the difference in your experience being coached in Argentina versus how you coach with American kids now in the States GPE. But I guess we have to throw the French NORP piece in there too.

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No, that's a great question. That's a great question because when they ask me, it's something that I mentioned in Coach Life ORG as well, and with my connection. So it's a great, great question or a great way to refresh the question. So as a coach, I have this mix about the Latin NORP, Spanish, Latin, like foodwork school, very, very, like, foodwork base work base and like really focus on the mobility and long points and how to move to every ball because you grew up on Clay Cour FAC, you need tofind the ball every single time. The French NORP school, which is very technical, so the French always their reputation, they were like super, super technical. They considered that every stroke has to be perfect to give you the best chance to succeed in the future. So you see on every sport in France GPE, they put so much time on that.

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So I'm very technical as the French NORP school.

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And then on the state, in the states, I kind of the mentality about the aggression, the focus on the serve, the return, every shot count. You see the sport. I always kind of, it's not an analogy, but I try to explain the way that if you look at the Latin NORP sport outside tennis is the soccer everything is continued so it's all with footwork you play you're not you go in offense and defense everything in once and you keep going and you keep going when you come to state is you go to American NORP football, you go to baseball,is one shot, one pitch, one throw. Is that count? It's offense, one team is in offense, one team is in defense.

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And then you're, so it's very, like, very offensive. When you are on offense, it's very offensive. Every, every shot counts. So here, that's why the focus is on the serve. So in other

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countries you don't see that. In Europe right now the few years ago they dominate why they don't because they have this disability to play six months indoor because they winter and six months outdoor on clay court so they play a lot of clay court. What we're trying to establish when I was on the program at the USDA ORG a few years was we wanted to play and move a lot of tournaments, especially the younger, to the clay court, trying to replicate that.So when you talk about Tommy Paul PERSON winning the French Open against Taylor Fritz PERSON in the final, it was not just a coincidence, it was just not lucky. It was a work that we've been doing for years until to get to those results. So when you see players winning on Clay FAC,that was the idea behind on the development on the developmental side. So the clay help a lot. So that's kind of me as a coach. The aggression from the American school, the technical from the French NORP, and all the full work from the Latin Spanish NORP school.

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That's amazing that you have all of those things that you can pull from to help your players develop a well-rounded, effective game. And I'm assuming because of the Latin NORP influence that the fitness side is so crucial. Because movement on clay, I've only played on the clay a few times, but when I have, within five minutes, I'm gasping for air. I mean, the movement is incredibly challenging.

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Yeah, yeah, totally. So there's two things. One is the endurance. So I don't like, I don't like when my players, they get tired so so that's that's it's something that we've been talking with Jim courier back on the days is one of the thing that he was number one and when he talked with the kids he said look it's something that you can control you can control you can say look I need to better my endurance. So that's one. And I think that we can control. And the other thing is the food work. So it has to be, for me, it's crucial.It's a tennis is a movement sport. So you're moving all the time. You're not receiving. You're not hitting the ball twice on the same spot. So even a few inches QUANTITY, you have to move and find the ball every single time. So there's no reason why when you work and you do drills and you should be in movement every single time. So that's another crucial part.

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So that's why I'm putting so much emphasis on the movement, finding the ball.

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That is open the window for the eyes and mind because you're finding the ball. That is open the window for the eyes and mind

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because you're finding the ball.

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You need to recognize where the ball bounce, where you're going to meet the ball, how to cut the angle, understanding the core, understanding the angles, I mean, the different heights where to meet the ball every single time.And then from there, you need the technique. And the first shot, and that's the connection with the American school. The first shot, the servant return, is going to open the door to play a little bit like easier shot, because already the tennis is so difficult that if you can have a first shot already with advantage, you can be more likely in control of the points.

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Love that. Love that. I want to switch gears a little bit. And I mentioned that you're currently working with Francis Tiafo. You told us that you also worked with him as a teenager. And I'm just curious, how is your coaching relationship different now than when it was when he was 15, 16? What are some of the ways that you've had to kind of change? Or maybe you haven't had to, but if you have, how have you had to change, how have you had to change, how you communicate with him, the types of things that you're working with him on,and just the day-to-day training. Oh, that's a great question.

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So you know, I work like with Francis, I work together with ChagicC and when I was at the USDA ORG, so we kind of had him together. And I worked four years with him, four years I have with Taylor Freeds PERSON, eight years with Tommy Paul, seven years I have with Riley Opelka PERSON, five years with Dennis Kula PERSON. So why are I saying that?Because back on the day, I always say when you're a coach

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and you have a player like that is a young player,

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you almost manufacture that player.

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It's you, without overcoaching, which is one of them my main things as a philosophy,

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giving the kid the air to kind of try out and do their own thing. But you kind of manufacture that player. Now, that was Francis PERSON younger. You kind of help him, even if he has an unbelievable feeling for the game. And you're trying to, like, you more into the game and this ball goes there. Now, now when you take a man, you take a top 10 player already,you take somebody that is already good. I always say when the kids are kids, you go from 100% the coach and 0% the kid to 90, 10, 80, 20, and as they grow up and they get better, that goes the other way, 50, 50, 40, 60. And so right now with Francis, when we talk about tennis, it's not 80% the coach and 20%Francis PERSON as it was. Now it's almost the inverse. It's almost 80% the player and 20% the coach.

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This is something that when you work with the players, that something is very important to understand.

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One thing is the kid when they're like 11, 12, 17, 14,

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then 17, 18, and a kid, now I always say a kid,

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but a player that is a man already, 26 years old, already top 10, already been playing on the big stages. So now he knows probably more than any coach 26 years old, already top 10, already been playing on the big stages. So now he knows probably more than any coaching that he can coach. That means that it's not important. Like I always say, the coach's job is very important, but it's a 10%. The 90% is the player.We are very important, but it's the 10%. When they are young, it's very important that the coach has a bigger role and much more impact. Interesting. So now,

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as the coach, you're letting him kind of drive the bus a little bit more and tell you maybe, oh, I need, you you know I felt like my my my toss was off can we work on my serve you know to 100% 100% I just I just

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made I was working on a presentation a couple days ago and and that's one one thing is like you have two parallel lines as the code you have two two parallel lines one is the long-term developmental pathway. You have your developmental plan,

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you have the areas of focus that you're going to focus every three months, and the other

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parallel line is the weekly kind of progression. So when their kids, the focus is on the developmental

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line. You spend more time on the practices about the developmental. You always,

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you always working toward the future. And you listen a little bit about the kid telling you, oh, I don't feel the backhand because you know that every day there's something that is going to, when you work with somebody like Francis, the two parallel lines exist, but it's the other way around.

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So you listen to the daily kind of feeling or the weekly feeling about, I need to do this.

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I feel that I'm slow.

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I need to be more explosive or my backhand on the line is not working very well.

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Myself, I need to, you know, like, it's more about what is happening, and you're still working, you still put in some time on a long-term developmental pathway. But, you know, it's the most important when they draw is about more resultory and more like they know what they need in a short term because right now, when you have, for example,

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you finish, let's say,

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Australia Open and you know that in three weeks you're going to play a couple terms and four weeks from now you have in your Wales and Miami GPE, you don't have too much time about the long-term developmental so you like really focus and you listen to them and you really

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put the work on that. I love that. I want to again switch gears a little bit and go back to the junior development and talk a little bit about ratings, rankings, wins and losses and where those things fit into a long-term developmental plan.

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All right. That's another great question. So until 12 years old, 12 and a half, for me, there's no, even if the ranking exists and it's good, the only help that you have there, even from 1314 is that they keep the Monday. If they win Monday, we're going to have a big smileand it's going to be easier to push, right? All right, let's work two hours side to side and he's going to do it with a smile or she's going to do it with a smile. If they lost first round, then we're going to have to like spend more time on talking and working and kind of trying to get them feel good and try to kind of convince them that everything is fine and same with the parents.You know, like if everything goes well, but at the same time, you don't want the kids to win too much. They always say when the parents, they look at me like, what are you talking about? Because when the kid is winning too much, is tough, is not as coachable as it can be.It makes sense. When the kid is winning too much, you go and say, well, we need to work on the forehand and say, coach, I just win. I just not meeting forehand. And say, well, but that forehand or that backhand,or we need to work on the service, I say, coach, I just kick it in and nobody, nobody, you know, I don't have a problem with the serve. As a coach, you're looking at seven years from now. I say, well, that serve has to be better because you're going to be, for example, I'm talking with the, I look at the parents and I say, well, you're going to be 6.3, 6.4, your service is going to be really important. And they look at me like how you know. Well, I have some experience or the foodwork. Well, you're probably going to be 511 or 6 feet. You're going to have to move a littlebit more. You're not going to, you know, like. And so that's important. The kid needs need to win but no winning too much um so that's

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that's the one at the 13 14 15 you you like building a little bit more the game the patterns and and

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so now it's important that that you go in a little bit more into match play and the patterns and understanding the core a little bit more, understanding the game a little bit more, 14, 15, 16, 17. And then, yes, it's true that 15, 16, 17, 18, the kids are more mature. They understand a little bit more the core of the game and they want to win more and then the pressure, but they already, at 16, 17, 18, they're already more mature to take the winning and losing and where they want to go with their game and how.So then it's fine. You help them to navigate through that. Okay.

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So that's a little bit roughly a little bit we do, a little bit, how I think about the ages of the game. So what I did not hear you say is that by age 15, they should have a UTR of this or be ranked here.

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I didn't hear you talk about that.

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No, because I'm not, I'm not a big believer of ranking.

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Everything, everything when on those ages, what the parents should know or everybody should know is that the kids, they change in every six months, they have, they go to a big change. So it doesn't really, it doesn't really matter at that, at that time. Again, it is important. Well, why is it a little bit important? Because, well, it's true that if you're going to play a national, for example, if you want to play Easter Bowl EVENT, or if you want to play Claycourt Nationals or Kalamazoo, well, you need to be, let's say, top 150 in the country.Okay, all right. So you know that with 150 in the country, you make those tournaments. So for that reason, some other tournaments that they, if you want to play, for example, if you're 16, 17, if you maybe, I don't know, 80 in the world I Jeff, you make the Grand Slam EVENT. You know, like those kind of things, yes, because there's a cutoff, there's a deadline,so you need to have certain ranking. Now, the kids, you have the leg bloomer, you have the early, you know, their early kids that they mature like immediately. And so there's so many variables that you're working through on those, those eight, nine, ten years, eleven years. You imagine the kid is sometimes I sit down with the parents and the kid is 10, 11 years old. I say, well, whatever you do, don't worry. He's not going to make up 100 until 21 at least.So you have 12 years. So you're going to stress that match for 12 years. Let me stress out. I'm the coach. Let me stress out about that journey. And then we go through that, you know, like.So no, until again, until 16, 17, I'm not really, that, that happened naturally.

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I'm not forcing.

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I wouldn't make, I wouldn't make changes on this, or the different decisions based on UTR, this and that, no, we have to chase points. I wouldn't. I mean, at the end of the day, you have to play better tennis. I'm focused on the level. I think the most important thing is always get to the level. When the kid is playing good tennis, is no, understand the core,understand their game, they're going to play better tennis, and that's what the focus should be. Yeah.

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So that's not really focused.

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And then, again, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, college, yes, you, yeah, the system is taking you through that journey about college.

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Yes, you're going to change a match, you're going to play a big, you're going to play number one, number three.

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But you're already old enough to take that. Right, right.

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And I mean, you are saying the same thing that I try to say, which is if you put the work

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in and focus every day on trying to get a little bit better, the rating and the ranking

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are going to take care of themselves, right?

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If you're working hard. Yeah.

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100%.

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I mean, that happens naturally. It's working hard, putting the mind there, and then let things happen. Let the things happen. Doesn't matter if you really want to be UTR 13 right now, if you're not ready, it's not going to happen. It's just, it's not going to happen. So now focus on what you can really, what really matter, which is 11 and what you can control.So you cannot control the outcome of the matches. You cannot. But you can control how you go over the matches, how much you learn about those losers or the winning, and then go back, talk to your coaches and put the work again, and keep getting better and keep getting better. That's the thing that you can

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control. So that's what is important for me, in my opinion. I love that. Question for you.

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What should the kind of equation be at different stages of junior development between private lessons, group drills, match play, and tournament play?

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And how do you figure out how to kind of work that equation?

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Great job. Great job, Lisa PERSON. I mean, that's an amazing question. No, I really really are because it's something that's talking with the parents. I think that all those are really important things. One is where that fits? The private lesson. The private lesson is the information.The information when they're young, the kid, they need that information. That means that they're going to process the information at the right time at the real time. You give the kid information, and I always tell the parents and even the kids, you explain, you say, don't expect to process the information right away. So you have the informationand we're going to repeat that over and over, but you can process at your own time. That's one. So it's important. Yes, it's very important. All the time, only private lesson, no. Because on other side, the kid they need to playon their own. They need to try those, how we process information. Yeah, by thinking, by watching different matches, by trying. You have to explore. You have to try what the coach told you to do and miss and mind. And you don't need your parents, you don't do and miss and you don't need your parents,you don't need your coach, you don't need your peers. You need the other kids to try and play and have fun. Right? So that's the other thing. So the group kind of lesson or the group playing and then you have the match play whichcan be the tournament. You have two ways to talk about the match play. One are the tournaments, and the other one is the in-house match play, which I like to

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divide it like that. The in-house, when I bring another kid, and they play them with my kids,

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and the coach are allowed to kind of jump in and stop a point. And sometimes we are a little bit annoying.

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Like I told the kids, oh, Coach you was annoying today.

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You know, like, or I explained to the people today. I'm going to stop the points. I'm going to stop the matches. And we're going to talk a little bit more. We're going to show in-house. So those are more important.Sometimes you're not saying too much. Sometimes you explain more things. And then you let them play the tournaments. And more likely if you can, you can film and then watch the matches. You know, like there's a process of not necessarily winning, but learning. And so those how much?I feel that when they're like, I would say, nine, ten, eleven years old DATE, 12 years old, I would say until 11, roughly three private lesson per week, I would say.

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That's a good number.

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Two to three, like no, I wouldn't say no more than that. That's enough. Then another too much play in house. And then the rest, group lesson. Could be group lesson or just playing with kids free

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play. When they play each other with the kids and they are there are long no parents and

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no coaches they can play or they say how much should they play? Well if they're along with the kids same age as much as they want. If they want to pay eight hours, eight hours. But there's a huge difference. If they are with coach, the lesson shouldn't be going more than an hour and a half. The kids, they don't have the focus.They don't have the strength to take the ball. They don't have the, you know, like, so if it's a group lesson, another, like, they can take maybe with another kid and the coach talking, they could take two hours, but no more.

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And then, and then until 13, 14, you're going to play around 40 matches per year and tournaments.

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Like, around there, if the kids won all the time, is asking the king.

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From 13, 14 to 16, 17, you're going to ramp up to around 60 matches.

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Because they're going to ramp up to around 60 matches because they're going to learn, they're going to have more, more idea about their game, their parents. And then from there, you're going to go into around between 60 and 80 matches per year.

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That's a little bit of the balance.

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So, sorry, I'm just to run. Can I have one second to put the light on? I mean, I see that.

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Yes.

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I'm going to pause it.

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I'm going to pause. Okay, now we can see you better. That's good. Perfect.

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Sorry, sorry.

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Yeah, no problem, no problem. So I would be remiss if I didn't talk about your time with USDA ORG player development. And I know our audience is very interested in the role of USDA ORG in junior tennis in this country and also the role of specifically player development at USDA in junior tennis in this country and how it's changed. You were there 10 years, if I'm not mistaken.

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And 10 years as their lead national coach.

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Yeah.

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And so can you tell us what was your job description?

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What did they tell you you were expected to accomplish in that role?

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So basically my role when I joined the UCA was developed top 20 players, the next generation of champions. That's the way and that's why I joined the UCA ORG. And now from here, I can talk. That was my role and we have a great team. And from there, I'm going to give you my opinion about this. It's just an opinion because obviously that's open to the publicand everybody can have different opinion. I was inside the player development, and I was outside before, and I'm outside now on the private sector. So the role of the UCA ORG, they have several roles. The number one is working with the private sector.It's not just USDA ORG developing just doing going into the developmental part of tennis and not without the private sector is together. So what happened isyou have an academy and you are a coach, you are a private coach. And obviously you have to live and you have to make money and you have to, you need, you need, I don't know, you are the whole day on court and working with different kids.And suddenly, you have the next one, the chosen one, right there in your academy. You don't have the time because you have to make money. And obviously, the parents cannot pay you that much. So now what happened there? It's either you waste that talent because you cannot take care of that talent or that talent is going to the USDA ORG player developmentand that you get that help and you start working with the player development. That's what we did a lot at the USDA ORG. We were working with parents, with coaches, and giving the kids opportunities. That's number one. So now it's not, it wasn't like USDA ORG or private sector is together.

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That was something that was important and giving them opportunities.

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Can I just ask for some clarification there?

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When you say giving them opportunities, that was coaching, that was taking them to tournaments. Was that funding as well? Everything, yes.

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So, because it's a very important topic to understand. Where the opportunities come? Because you say, somebody can say, yeah, but you bring it to Europe the top three. Where are the opportunities for the rest? No, that's the opportunity. You go in, so one of the other part of the USDA ORG. So the player development need to work with the 1% of the 1%.That's the player development need to work with a 1% of the 1%. That's the player development, right? So when you get to the center, the player development main center, you're working with the best kids in the country.

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And as we know, the United States GPE is one of the powerful countries in terms of tennis.

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So they're so big. one of the powerful countries in terms of tennis. So you, they're so big. So one, you need to detect the kids in early ages. Otherwise, the kids, they have so many sports that they go, they go, you lose a lot of talent. So now, number one of the USDA ORG, the talent ID. We went on that time, we went from almost known to 17 regional centers, and then we went to 21. Then we realized that 21, they were too much, and we come back to around 1718.So we cut the country, why we cut the country like that? Just to recognize as many young kids as we could. So no waste in any talent. So we went, we invite. So now where the opportunities come? If you look from outside, say, well, you give opportunities to the top five in the country. No.Camp level three, level two, level one. So you have, you recognize the best kids with the coaches in every region. Those kids, they have the opportunity to go through those camps. You go to level one camp, you get invited to a level two, you get invited to a level three, and then you get invited to the, the USA, right? It was in Boca Raton GPE when I was here for seven years and then we moved to Orlando GPE for another three yearsuntil I left the UCA ORG. But that's where the opportunity comes. So you have the coaches and the team helping every kid along the puzzle,talking with the parents, telling them founding, going with camps. So you become like a reference. The USDA ORG becomes a reference in terms of worldwide, in terms of the level that every kid needs to play.That's another big role that nobody talks.

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So when you're at the UCLA ORG, you have to not only bring in the kid outside the country

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and like to Europe LOC and competing against the best, but you already know which ones are, I mean, we competing against. So for example, I give you an example more specific. So I was, I was with Tommy Paul, with Randy Operica, with Francis Chaffo, we Taylor Freez ORG, right? So we knew, I knew that the reference was Svarev, Rubler PERSON, already those kids. So we were like having that, we were competing with them.So those kids, we needed to keep working because Svarev, it was already like sometimes ahead and Rubelev PERSON as well. And you have like kids like that. Same with the 92s and so you already as a ESA ORG you're like, because you are doing this, you are helping the coaches and the playersand the parents who understand what is

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the reference. It could

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be many times you have the number one in the United States but it wouldn't be number one in the world or it's not at the level of the number one in the United States, but it wouldn't be number one in the world or is not at the level of the best player in the world outside, you know, with the Europeans NORP. So that's kind of another role. The standards, put the standards high for the kids and the parents and the coaches to meetthose standards. I don't know it makes sense.

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No, it does. And you're also looking at how those reference kids, I mean, the kids are the reference point, right? You're looking at what they're doing on a day-to-day basis, how they're training, what their coaches are teaching them, which tournaments are they playing, how many days a week? How many hours?Where's the fitness? Where's the nutrition? Where's the mental side? All of that comes into it. 100%.

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And here is the role, the important role of the UCA ORG. Because somebody can come to me and say, yeah, but the private sector can do it as well. Totally. I totally agree. But how many academies they have that ability to have. Yeah, but the private sector can do it as well. Totally. I totally agree. But how many academies they have that ability to have every... If you have three kids, have a coach for every kid, you know?I mean, it could be a boy, a girl, and the nutritionist, and the strength conditioning, and everything found them. Like, the parents, they don't have to pay that much. If you find that in a private sector, you're going to have to pay it. If you don't have the money, then you don't. That kid is, that talent is going to be lost.

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The UTA ORG, if you have a big talent, you have the ability to work through together

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to have that talent to grow on that. So those things are really important because if you don't have that ability with the player development, so here there's two things. When we're talking about the USDA ORG, we're talking about different departments. The USDA ORG has different departments. So right now we're talking about the player development.This is for me, in my opinion, is working with the 1% of the 1%. The top elite, the best player. And you're going into, so the USDA ORG, my job, and we can dig into that, I was having opportunities for everybody, but I was building different filters until we get the best of the best and those those players for everybody everybody had the

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opportunity but well tennis is not for everybody because otherwise not

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not everybody can be Roger Federer or Raffan Adal or Carlos Agrax PERSON there's

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one Roger Federer one Raffan Adal PERSON and so on this is how Tennis works at the high

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level so you need to help everybody to have the opportunities because you don't know who is going to be there. So everybody has the opportunity at the bottom. So you need to build a big or a large like group. But then building filters where only the best of the best get there and have the chance to compete against the best, the best in the world. That's how it is.

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So let me back up. Can I back up one second?

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So you mentioned the camps and that there are the three different levels of camps.

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So that entry level camp had the widest filter.

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And you would take as many kids as you could into that level, see how they performed, and then the ones that rose to the top at that level would get invited to the next level and so on.

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So everything happened before that. Okay. So everything happened contacting. So I mentioned about carrying the country in 21 regions or

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since 17 depending it was it was tough to get the number to cover the whole country

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but until we get around 17 was the right number right so then you contact with

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17 every every federation of every region start contacting with the coaches,

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start contacting the regional coaches. So we have in every region a lot of regional coaches who were in the tournaments in every region. So now we contact in and there was a pathway of we have coaches for the 12 years old, the 10 years old DATE. So at the USA ORG, at the player development, at the main center, those coaches, they were in charge of contacting those coaches, the regional coaches, to ask them which kids using, they need to be invited at the first, the entry level camp. So then those regional coaches plus one or two of the USA coaches, the national coaches, they were there for the camps.

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When we see those, then the second group,

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the second level of camps, they were more decided about the regional coaches and the USDA ORG coach already knowing the kids, but invited to the second level. And the same process happened with that level to the next level. So you already having the region those three levels. Then after that, they're only the best, they were invited to the USDA ORG. For example, I can give you a story,very, very, like really funny story. I had my 16 players invited to a, I was doing a playoff and two months of training at the USA ORG. And I had Tommy Paul PERSON,so I have that generation, right? Stefan Kozlov PERSON, I have Francis Piafo PERSON, Michael Moore PERSON, so I have a lot of invited, and I have Francis Piafou, Michael Moore, so I have a lot of inviteand I have my 16 place. So I'm at the moment so I'm talking with you know, I'm finishing, organizing that, andthe number 16 just just I received a letter and receive an email that couldn't come. He had some things to do with at the school, so he couldn't come. So I have only 15.At that time, Kenkinier PERSON came to me, and I was sitting in the office and comes to, you know, I have a kid that is 13, it's pretty good kid. I saw the mom is a former top 10. The dad is another former tennis player. It's pretty good. I think he's so the name is a former top 10 the dad is another former tennis player it's pretty good I think he's so the name isTaylor Freitz okay so I said great so that's that will be great so right right there I based on all the information that I hadI write an email and invite Taylor Freaks to that to the scamp and well you know the story.

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I don't need to tell the story after that.

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So that's kind of how the connection about how it's working or was working.

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So that was the role about the USDA ORG.

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And I think that's the role of the playing in the development. Now, community tennis is a different role, which is important role, which is growing the tennis. That's a differentrole. My job, that's one thing. It wasn't at the USA ORG player development,

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which is what was working with the top players. Well, and let's understand that community tennis, that umbrella, is where junior competition falls under. Junior competition isn't under the player development umbrella.

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It is under the community tennis umbrella. At that time, we have junior competition and pro tennis kind of on there at that time we had those the department working together with us with the player development but now it's it's

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under community tennis right oh I lost you Diego PERSON oh I lost you hang on I'm going to pause the room. So we had a little technical glitch there for a second, but Diego PERSON is back. And Diego, we were talking about the difference between USDA ORG player development and USDA community tennis, which the junior competition kind of structure falls under, correct?

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Well, at the time that I was at the USDA ORG, the player development, we were working very closely with the junior competition and with the pro, the pro tournaments. So kind of helping those departments to kind of be like interacting together with the player development because not only at some point we have some sort of interaction. Even if even if the junior competition is abroad, I mean like like a wider, with a wider base, we have things to say with the top level competition.But again, right, is, I feel, I feel that right now, junior competition falls into, right now is a little bit like things change. But I kind of, again, this is an opinion. falls into, right now it's a little bit like things change. But I kind of, again, this is an opinion. And on that opinion, I feel that it has to be, the player in the minimum has a big role on American NORP tennis. We can, people we can talk and or the people can figure out the best way to allocate their resources or how.But I feel that has the big role on helping the community, the top players, the parents, the private sector working together, helping about a calendar with the junior competition with the top level of junior competition trying to navigate again with the campsand the local local like regional tournaments as well important so creating that filterthose parameters putting the standards where it should be so all those things not replacing the private sector, but for sure,without the plan of development, it's going to be way tougher for the private sector and parents to navigate through that journey of, like, creating the next wave ofAmerican NORP players.

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Well, it's interesting because Coach Jose Higaris PERSON, who is no longer with USDA ORG, but who worked in player development for many years, recently sent out an open letter, and I've read it and you've read it, and lots of people have commented on it.But one of the things that he said in that letter that I thought was so interesting was that we have to understand the filter down effect that having top level American NORP players at the professional level. And when I say top level, I mean people that are in the top 10, right, that are maybe winning slams that are winning Masters 1000 EVENT and, you know, these high level events, that there's a trickle down effect of that into grassroots tennis and driving interest in our sport so that we do get that next generation of player interested in learning how to play the gameand interested in competing and interested in achieving high levels in the sport.

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I mean, 100%. The way that I see a little bit, I always say when I joined the USDA ORG, my obsession was building a, I was calling building a leather. You have, you need in my opinion, the, that letter was broken in American NORP tennis. So you have some players already, like, about to retire, like Andy Roddy, James Blake PERSON, and that generation. I mean, long time.And when I'm talking about generation, I'm talking about four, five, six, eight players, not just one that is so generation. But then you need to have the juniors already. When that generation is on top, for example, right now, when this generation is already on top,you need to have the 20 years old kid going into transition already beating the top guys. And then you need already to have 17, 18 kids, American NORP boys and girls winning grand slams. And then from there, you need the 15, 17, 18 kids, American boys and girls winning grand slams. And then from there, you need the 16, 15, 17 years old kid already a generation competing against the European and the South American and the Asian NORP kids already on topand taking them to those next level and next tournament. And then from there, you need the 13,14 going to Le Petitises in France GPE, competing against the top guys. And then you have the 11, 12 years old DATE against giving them opportunities. And not only that, not only bringing to the tournament, but also competing against the top-level kids here.

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So back on the days,

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when Ryan Opelka, Tommy Paul PERSON, Francis Tiapho PERSON, all those kids, they were 13-14, Zverte PERSON was coming to the Cern and practicing with them and Rublev PERSON and those kids. So we knew, and they were competing each other,and Hong PERSON was coming here, and Chong PERSON was coming here from the Korean the Korean NORP kids. So we have that synergy of having that. So it's not what you see on the top is help tremendously to build that leather. But again, that is very important if you have the talent idea as well.Because if you're not recognizing and you're not helping the kids that are 8, 9, 10, 11 years old, again, the letter is broken. That pathway is broken. So you need that. You need the 17.That always always say it's very important. The people, they just look at one part and the part normally is what they are on. No, you have the top players, which is very enjoyable you have the U.S. Open EVENT and it's fun. But that's the moment to work on the talent ID, recognizing the 8 and 9 and 10 years old DATE that are the best in the country. And that's the moment to work closely with the junior tennis and the and the pro tour to help to navigate and having more tournaments.For example, we've been having tournaments, pro tour. That was a huge moment. January, February, we had the kids after Orange Bowl EVENT staying at the company with me and training and having coaches coming in with the players and saying with me is December, November, December, January, February to go through and we had all

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tournaments around 20 miles futures, 10, 10 and 15,000 around the center. So that was helping

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tremendously. I was driving everybody to the tournaments and back,

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the coaches that were coming, the parties they were here, and everybody was a big synergy. So four months of training on clay.

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So again, when you see Tommy Paul, Taylor Freitz PERSON, Riley Opelka winning Wimbledon EVENT, the other guys winning French Open EVENT, Francis Tiafo, Michael Moore PERSON. It wasn't just lack. I mean, it was a work behindthat was like day by day from the private sector, from the ESA ORG, from the parents, from the whole community to build up that.

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Without the development,

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you put everything, this whole pressure on the private sector. And that is very, when I say private sector, I'm not only talking about just one academy or two academies. The private center are the parents that they have to work the whole day to get the money to pay the coaches, the coaches to leave the academy to go to a tournament and take the kid. You know, the whole thing is very tough.You leave that part, like just to that. That's what I think. And I'm not here, not only in States GPE. In France GPE, same thing. And so in France GPE was always, I grew up, like I said, I grew up in France. So my vision was France GPE, obviously, smaller country.So France is like way smaller than the United States GPE, so it's way easier. But again, they have everything cutting in pieces and they have regional center everywhere. So nobody could escape from kind of that detection. And so when you go to the story of at that moment when I was living there, it was Sebastian Rochand, Arnold, Clement, Shihimon, Songha, Mofis PERSON. It wasn't, again, it wasn't lucky.It just wasn't work before. But that work, it takes 10 to 15 years to be built. So it's so easy to go down to the trash, and it's so difficult to rebuild that pathway for everybody. That is, then again, it is perfect. No, it's very tough to say, like talking about something that is perfect, but definitelyit's around there. And then you can put some more here, some more there, relocate the resources a little bit different way. But that's what that's what I did where I, that's my opinion.

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And the money has to be allocated toward that. And right now, USDA ORG has made some pretty massive budget cuts. And so I think that was the impetus behind Jose PERSON's letter and, you know, hoping that the budget gets allocated in a manner that will help grow American NORP tennis as opposed to cutting off that ladder, you know, where you need that connection.

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Correct. It is always very dynamic. Sometimes, like you say, it has to be relocated different ways and can be dynamic. Definitely the cat itself. I mean, Jose PERSON is my mentor and it was my boss. He was the director of coaching.So it can be relocated. We can, yes, we can have this session about, and you can have an idea and I could have a different idea, but, but on the same kind of, on the same model where you can relocate the money depending because it's very dynamic. Sometimes you're going to need more money on the, on the talent ID. And sometimes you're going to need more money when imagine imagine on this process thatI'm talking about 10 years we we've been through the 17 sessions 21 sessions 17 sessions 17

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sessions so like like sorry reasons and and that that's we needed the money for that but then

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but then when you start having 16, 17, 18 years old,

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Riley Opel, Tomi, Paul, Taylor, Fritz, Francis Tiapu, Michael Moore PERSON.

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So now you need, and then, so I'm talking about the voice, but I can talk, I can talk about Madison Key, Lauren Davis, Sloane Stevens PERSON. So, Christina McKay PERSON, I can go on the girl side. So when you have that group and the other group, so, you know, McKay, I can't go on the, on the girl side. So when you have that group and the other group, so now the money, it has to be kind of maybe relocated to thatbecause those kids, they're going to compete against the best kid

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of the other countries.

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So now you need the coaches. And sometimes it's going to be many times hours with them, but for example, with Taylor Fritz PERSON, his dad was with him and the mom was there,

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and with Riley St.thian PERSON, sometimes the private coaches,

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they were helping us to take the kids to different tournament. So it was a kind of altogether working toward that, that objective of building the next wave of big American NORP players so I feel that that's the key. The key is notcutting off. It's just relocated the best way possible understanding that it's very dynamic and for example sometimes other parties we needed more tournamentsso at some point we relocate that into the tournaments.

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They proceed with because we understood that Europeans, for example, what happened with Italy GPE?

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So you can ask me what happened with Italy GPE?

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Why Italy GPE has, it's just lucky.

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They're booming. Well, what they did is they relocated money into tournaments. So now the whole year, you can play literally almost every week of the year. You can play Challenger and Future in Italy GPE.

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So now that helped to grow the academies.

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So now the academies are all over Italy GPE. So you have academics in Italy GPE, academies in Spain, academies. So now the academies are all over Italy. So you have academies in Italy, academies in Spain, academies in Switzerland GPE, academies everywhere there with former players, likeworking on the academies and helping there. So you have an incredible amount of coaches with a great level because they're playing tournament there. So everything helps. So it's lucky. No so it's lucky no it's

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not it's just a word that are behind now those tournaments can be maybe uh like continuously growing like

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no maybe in few years they're going to need to relocate that money into the talent idea and keep you know like that's where it's, and we go in country by country, successful countries and successful generations, and you will see that, that situation over and over. Same with Australia GPE, and I said, you can't, and we talk about different, again, not the same, but around there, because it's very dynamic.

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So, I mean, the bottom line is the money has to be available. How it's allocated is fluid based on how many players you have coming up, what the tournament landscape looks like in your country, what the coaching landscape looks like in your country, but the pool of money has to be there. And then the professionals, which was you when you were at USDA ORG,it's Jose PERSON, it's the other national coaches, get together and understand that, oh, we need to shift some of the funding over here to the tournaments, or no, we need to shift some of the funding over here to the tournaments or no we need to shift some of the funding over here to travel for these players or whatever it is but that that pool of money still has to be in existence to keep funneling through the pipeline and producing top players

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100%. That's my opinion. 100%. The money has to be there

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with really clear rules or guidelines

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to have everybody that opportunity.

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But again,

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what the discussion could be is how we relocate that money, what is the best way, and understanding also that is dynamic.

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Three years from now, that money shouldn't go that way.

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You should, like you said, you discover very well, depending the coaching situation, the tournament situation, the key to the Wabo ORG, the tournament, the talent ID, whatever it requires for the country at that moment.

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But that's what the discussion and the whole community,

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which is important, when you build the trust of that, the whole community is integrated on those discussions. But it shouldn't be a hard of funding in any way because you're losing the ability. It takes so long to build that letter. I'm calling that letter of 10,the 12, the 14, the 16, that letter. And it's so easy to destroy that when you destroy, it takes another 10 to 15 years to rebuild that. And again, I'm talking with the boys, but I'm talking with the girls as well. So when I joined the USDA ORG, I went on the, I was a lead national coach with the, with the men's and the,men's and women.

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The, why I took the side of the men's tennis is because the woman's side, it was already

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that later that I'm talking, it was like already built. That pathway, it was like 12, it was Amanda Nimi Sova, Sonia Ken and the woman's eye, it was already that later that I'm talking, it was like already built. That pathway, it was like 12, it was Amanda Nimisova, Sonia Kenan, they were like 13, 14 already playing well, but you had Madison Keys and you have Christina McKeel PERSON and you have the 92s and you have the 94s. And so everybody, you saw that behind Serena Williams and veins, they were all coming. That was the question of, okay, when.But everything is about to happen. On the men's side, it was, I talked, we started this conversation with, it was my obsession because I started, okay, the college, the college tennis, same thing. When you have, when you have, for example, when I joined it, my first, the other day, we were talking with Stevie Johnson and we're like, same thing. When you have, for example, when I joined it, my first, the other day, we were talking with Stevie Johnson PERSON and we're like, same thing. Get together all the college players. So we had a camp in Boca Raton. We have Ryan Williams, Tennis, Sandring, Bradley Clan ORG, Stevie Johnson. Steve Johnson was like, throwing up on my core on the first, coming back from California. It was like 100 degrees in June. And Johnson was like, throwing up on my core on the first,coming back from California, it was like 100 degrees in June, and he was like, so they were like, like when he retired, he said, well, from that day to this dayand now retiring, it was a long journey and we started like laughing about that. But again, it was like so many great players that they made top 100,top 50, whatever, that is same thing. You put in the junior, you put in the college players, the college players. Same thing. When they leave that great journey, and it's super important going through the three years,four years of college, college tennis, they have a blast. They improving so much. And then what happened when they need to go to who is going to help them yeah the private sector can help somehow the college they're going to try to help them they have a base but what is the money to go with the coaching to travel

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because the college coach cannot travel obviously so who are taking them to go to a tournament

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and navigate through the challenge and the futures and so on so on for 18 months? Normally it takes for a good, for NCAA ORG player, champion for NCAA ORG champion or finally is a good college player to make a top 100.It takes around 18 months in average, let's say.

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Who is going to help them to navigate those 18 months about when you start,

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like, putting all the costs together, it makes, I don't know, around $200,000, $250,000 per year per player. So who is going to help them? Right.

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So that's when you start, like, putting every pieces together of the talent ID,

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who is going to help the parents, they 12, they 14, the 16, they junior, their college. When you start putting together, you understand that you need the money. You need money. And that's where the federation, for a country like this, a powerful country with, I mean, super big.That's where you need the federation. If it's more, we can talk. It's easier to kind of get together. Here, you need to get together somebody from Seattle, somebody from California, somebody from Alabama, somebody from New York GPE, and get together as much as you can. How do that?You're going to find the finance to say, hey, you need to go to Florida GPE. You need to go to L.A. every month, twice a month. That's where this. But again, understanding that you work with the 1% of the 1%. So that's the role of the player in management.Yeah.

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Thank you for that. I really appreciate you digging into that. We've got to wind this up as much as I hate to. I'm enjoying speaking with you so much. But before we wind up, I want to just give you an opportunity to tell our audience how they can find you. I know you've got a new website.So do you want to share that with us?

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So again, all those topics, we going to have it, I mean, through coach life,

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that's what you're going to find not only me talking, but a lot of topics like this one,

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and you're going to reach me. You can reach me obviously in person, but I think that platform is going to help tremendously the parents and the kids and the recreational players and navigate through this beautiful journey. So that's huge. It's going to be like lunch like at the end of this month or around the weekend of April 21st DATE.

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So hopefully,

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hopefully that inspired a lot of kids and help parents and coaches to navigate.

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Love it.

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And we'll have all those links in the show notes on Parenting Aces.com ORG. So make sure to check that out. I'm going to make it super easy for you to find Diego PERSON and the other coaches on Coach Life and to get in touch with him. Diego PERSON, it has been an absolute pleasure. I have enjoyed this so, so much.Thank you. And I hope we'll get a chance to do this again. Thank you.

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Thank you so much, Lisa PERSON. I'm so sorry for all the technical issues. I'm not, I'm not like technologically. I'm not the best. But thank you so much. I really love talking about tennisand help everybody as much as I can. So thank you so much for having me.

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Thank you. And to my audience, thank you so much for tuning in. We will catch you next time on Parenting Aces ORG. I'm Lisa Stone PERSON, and you've been listening to the Parenting Aces ORG podcast. For tennis parents,via tennis parent. If you like what you heard, please subscribe to us and write a review on iTunes. For more information on navigating the junior and college tennis journey, please visit us online at Parenting Aces.com ORG. Thanks for tuning in and sharing us with your tennis community.