2324: The Best Way to Come Off of a GLP-1, the Downside of Calculating Calorie Burn From Exercise, How to Stop Recurring Injuries & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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You just found the most downloaded fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump ORG. Right? Today's episode, we answered live callers questions. People called in. We got to help them out on air.But this was after the intro portion. Today was 61 minutes long. That's what we talk about current events. We talk about our lives, fitness studies, family life, and much more. You can check the show notes for timestamps if you want to skip around your favorite parts. Also, if you want to be on an episode like this one,email us at live at mindpumpmedia.com. This episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Legion ORG. Legion ORG makes some incredible supplements for muscle building to support fat loss. Today we talked about Lunar PRODUCT.This is a sleep supplement. Don't take this one lightly. It will put you to sleep. So we don't think you should use this every single night. But it does work very effectively. Go check them out.Go to buy legion.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code mind pump. Get yourself a discount or double rewards points. This episode is also brought to by Intera ORG. They make skincare products and hair loss products powered by the science of peptides. This stuff is legit.It works. It's advanced. There's nothing like it on the market. Go check them out. Go to interraskinkare.com ORG. That's E-N-T-E-R-A skincare.com forward slash M-P-M.Use the code M-P-M-P-M. Get 10% off your order. Also, this month's program sale, Maps Anywhere and Maps Hit ORG, both programs, 50% off. If you're interested, just go to Maps PRODUCT Fitnessproducts.comand then use the code April 50 for that discount. All right, here comes a show. When it comes to diet, especially when it comes to fat loss, try this instead. Don't take things away,is what everybody tells you to do. Cut things out of your diet. That's what everybody tells you to do. Cut things out of your diet. That's what everybody says. Try this. Add things to your diet. Now you're probably thinking that makes no sense. No, it makes a lot of sense. If you add the right things, there's downstream effects in terms of weight loss, in terms of improving your health. We're going to talk about that in a little bit in today's episode. But psychologically speaking, adding things does not feel the same. It doesn't feel restrictive. So let's talk a littlebit about how to add things to make you lose weight specifically. I wish that I had figured this out

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earlier in my career. It took me 10 years. Yeah. And even when I piece together, this was not something

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that I learned somewhere. Like I didn't go somewhere and take a cert or have a mentor who's like, this is the way to do this.

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Nobody, I just started to piece it together because after looking at all these diets, I found my clients like almost always were under consuming protein. And I knew how essential protein was to build muscle and to speeding up the metabolism. And I remember just deciding that, and this is again, after failing so many people who were trying to lose weight, like, you know what, I'm going to, this client, I'm going to, I'm going to focus on building muscles, since I know how important and valuable that is, instead of just this formula of how we're taught to just cut calories more, cut calories move more.

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And I remember flipping it on its head and having so much success and then starting to do that again and again.

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And then I started to notice these other things. Like I didn't notice like, I didn't understand the psychological part until after the effect.

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Like the original thing was.

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Then you went back and you're like, oh, this is what?

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I just saw it was deficient, right?

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Yeah.

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Like, oh, we got to get this in there.

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Yeah. I wish I could say it was, I was that brilliant that I knew all the like psychological benefits of it and all these other thing downstream positive things that would happen. But it wasn't that. It was literally like everybody doesn't get enough protein. I know how important that is Bill and Talism PERSON. Okay, forget dieting right now. I'm just going to tell this person, go get their protein. We're going to worry about their stuff later. And then it was all the other stuff that I started to realize. Like, oh, shit. When I just focus on that, like, it tends to kind of get rid of some of those other things that I don't even have to tell them not to do. They don't even realize it. So you start to see the psychological benefits. And then also you're now feeding their body with their needs. And so the workout started to get better. The results started coming on faster. They were getting stronger. It was like, it was

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crazy. But I mean, so I'm, I'm experienced this right now with Chad PERSON, you know, Chad. And he's like, hey, help me with my diet a little bit. So I said, all right, let's start with this. He's like, what do I cut out? Do I cut this out? Do I cut that out? I said, no, no, I don't want you cut anything out.I said, what's your target body weight? I want you to hit that in grams of protein from real food, not shakes, and eat it first. And he goes, what? He's like, so just hit the protein. So I explained a little bit to him, which I'll get into it here a second. But he's like, all right, I'll give it a shot.Of course, two days later, he sends me a text. He's like, bro, he goes, it's really hard.

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And he goes, when I do it, I don't really want to eat a lot of other things. I said, well, that's the point.

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Protein really produces satiety. Okay, this is, data backs us up 100%. If you eat a high protein diet, you are far less likely to eat too many calories. Then number two, when the diets are controlled, a diet that's high in protein versus a diet that's not high in protein, even the same caloric intake, they lose more body fat and build more muscle than the group that doesn't have as much protein.So it also works in that sense. But then psychologically, when someone tells you you can't do something, you know, that kind of triggers something in most people versus, especially we're trying to lose weight, right?

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Trying to lose weight. Like, I know I need to cut things out. I know I need to stop doing certain things. And then someone comes along and says, you know what, don't worry about that. In fact, I want you to eat more of this one thingand just do it first. Then don't worry about the rest. If you want to eat more, you can. It's like it feels freeing.

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It feels like I'm not restricted.

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Like you don't have to fight against it. Yeah. But the result is you end up eating less calories because protein is so satiety producing. And most people, if you try this, you try to hit your target body weight in grams of protein and you do it consistently and you do it from food and you really do it. 80 to 90% of people will come back and say, this is hard. I feel like I'm stuffing myself.

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I can't eat this much. It feels like it means too much. In reality, eating less calories. Well, just from another angle, and I know protein is definitely one that I'll focus on firstbecause of that simple fact alone too. And most people are deficient in that. And then it's very satiety-driven. Well, I had a client that we just, because there was zero emphasis on vegetables at all,it's like no vegetables in their diet. Like their fiber intake was like nil.

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Like it was like nothing in there, right? So it was like just focusing on, okay, I just want you to eat a cruciferous festival. Let's just focus on broccoli. Like that's it. And it's like, uh, had all this like sort of, I don't know. I could see if I could just eat like you know one

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bushel day or whatever and so they just slowly started doing that and just that's fine just

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consistently and then over time it became so you have to go through a little bit of that gastrointestinal

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distress because like you know it'll be a little bit of the gas and all that kind of stuff and like he was kind of like complaining about that but then in a very short amount of time started to crave it and they started to crave it. And they started to crave it. Just naturally started to bring more and introduce more into there, which substituted other, you know, processed food.He was eating before that.

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It was, it had its own effect, you know, beneficial effect by just adding that one thing in.

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That's normally number two for me.

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Fiber. Almost always. I go protein first because everybody's missing. And then two I would add like, and I would. I would start your fiber targets. Yep. And I go protein first because everybody's missing. And then two, I would add like, and I would.

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Your fiber targets.

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And I would even keep it simpler for them. Like I'm obviously, I know how much fiber is in the X amount of, you know, bowls of broccoli, whatever. I would just be like, hey, I want, you know, two bowls of your favorite green vegetable. And I give them like a like this, this, this, and this here's all your options, you know.

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And just all I want you to do is make sure you get that with your meals and you keep it in your protein target. It's like,

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and it's so wild how, because that is so difficult if they're just kind of focused on that, how everything else just kind of starts to fall into place. It's so trippy. And how many people too think that they eat a lot of protein and they don't realize it until they actually start

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tracking and going after it that they're under eating. No, no, no. By the way, the data shows when

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it comes to satiety, right, to crushing your appetite. It goes, protein first, fiber second, fat, third, carbohydrates, fourth. Fibers right up there. So that's why you found that. You bump your protein

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and fiber. You just end up wanting to eat less. And like what you said, you know, again, Chad PERSON sends me a picture of his breakfast.

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He goes, oh, this is good, right? It's enough protein. And I looked at it. And I'm like, bro,

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we're aiming for 200 grams of protein. That's 35 grams. You're already behind the eight ball.

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Unless you plan on eating five meals today. Yeah. You're going to have to make up for it.

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And he's like, oh, crap. And of course, you know, later, you know, text me back. He's like, bro, this is actually, like, I don't want to eat a lot now because I'm like, that's the point.

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Yeah. Versus trying to cut things out, which, you know, psychologically is different.

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And number two, you don't get the benefits in terms of the muscle sparing effects of protein. And we know this. We know that eating a high protein diet leads to more muscle. And that'll contribute to getting leaner as well and feeling better.

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And we can't discount or minimize the psychological part as if it's just, oh, one of the benefits.

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That's the most important. Exactly. It's like as I got more experience as a coach and trainer, the more I realize. In fact, I know on the podcast, just recently I said that it almost became so important that the X's and O's, all the other stuff was, I didn't have to worry about.

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All I had to do was worry about the psychological part and then I could figure everything else out.

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And so that this is a big part of that equation is getting them to do that. The psychological benefits of that is unbelievable and arguably the most important part. So it's the easiest thing to, I think, help 90% of the people get to their health.

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Now the key with this is because some people hear this and they go, oh, well, I'm going to add protein shakes to everything.

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Proteins don't, um, protein shakes don't produce the same satiety effects as eating whole natural foods.

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So whole natural foods, they're going to give you much more the satiety effects of the protein shakes. Protein shakes, they're already pre-degested. They don't, you don't have to chew them. You don't have to, you know, produce those same enzymes. They're typically,-degested. They don't, you don't have to chew them. You don't have to produce those same enzymes. They're typically, obviously, the process, they're hyper-palatable. Protein shakes are beneficial at the end of the day if you always consistently miss or you have a challenge.Or if you're trying to bulk, that's when it becomes much more valuable.

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But in terms of what we're saying, go whole natural food. So this is how I would, I would position it because what I found with that was more than half of the people really struggled to do it without. And so I would say, okay, we can use the protein shakes and we're getting it. But then I want the way you to think, a way to think about this is like this is just a step in the right direction or this is just a step to getting to your goal.And our first goal, before we get to your weight loss goal, before we get to all these other goals that we want to do, is to hit that protein in whole foods. So go ahead and use the shaker bars for now, just so you hit it, because I'd rather you hit it than not hit it, and just because I tell you, I'd rather get it from whole foods. But then don't even, when you score yourself in your head, like, hey, how was today's eating? That's just because

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you hit your protein take, it's not a perfect day still. It's not until we can get to this in whole food. So that way they have this this like, they know that it's

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okay, that it's a tool, that it's something we can use, but the ultimate goal is to be able to

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You're working towards that. Yeah, we're working towards that. The goal is to get to this place where you're, you're eating it all through Whole Foods. Totally. Speaking of Chad PERSON, by the way,

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so he's, you know, he's a pastor and I'm, he's like a Christian NORP, he's, I hired him as a Christian coach. And I've, it's had some really profound effects in a very short period of time on my life. Super, super profound. I'm not going to get into it, but like just pretty insane. And I was thinking a lot this morning,meditating, praying, whatever. And you popped it in my head at him. I was going to ask you a question because,

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uh, I thought about you and I know when you were a kid, uh, or in high school, I think it was. Yeah.

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At one point you almost, you wanted to pursue becoming a pastor at one point.

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So my family really wanted that.

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My parents, I wouldn't say that I ever did. I think that I've always been pulled into being closer to God or being interested in that and learning. into being closer to God or being interested in that and learning. And I have always had the personality of being social and comfortable and environment. So they're like, this is for you.

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Yes.

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So it was more like that. And actually, it would be interesting since you're meeting with Chad PERSON and talking to Chad PERSON. It'd be interesting to hear, I don't know what my parents ever communicated to him.

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Like maybe they told him like. Well, so here's my thought, because I'm thinking about this, and I know how you grew up. You had a really rough childhood. And for all intents and purposes,statistically speaking, you're completely an outlier for where you should be. If you, for anybody who listens to the show, sure. Like, you know,Adam, you know, 90% of the people or more who grew up like you did, would not end up where you're at. They would end up in a terrible place. And so I thought, I wonder how much, like, where do you think you would be if you didn't have, if that wasn't a part of your life at that?Because that's one thing that was a part of your life.

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Yeah, I would actually, do you think that that kept you?

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It was the most important thing.

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Okay.

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When I look back and I say, you know, because I went through a phase with my parents of having a lot of, and I've shared this before, right?

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I had a lot of animosity in my, like, teens and early 20s towards my parents, just about the, just how they raised us, the hypocrisy, the shit that we did, went through, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? But when I look back now as an older adult, one of the things that my mom did really well was from a very young age, we were. We were in church and we were learning and we were reading.

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You think that saved your, like, kept you. Sure, because you know, it's so funny. It's like,

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you know, because I mean, literally, bro, I mean, when I hear stories and you tell, and you tell it,

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nonchalot, you talk about like, it's no big deal. Holy shit, dude, a lot of people, I don't know very many people had it turned out okay.

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You know, I think that, and this is again why I feel so strongly about, you know, raising a kid now, why the, what Arthur Brooks said about church, what Jordan Peterson PERSON said, about church, how much that's kind of weighed on my heart now is because I think so much is happening subconsciously and you don't even realize as a child. You're just, just like you can get indoctrinated into bad things or pick up bad behaviors from parents. What I was was I had,

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I had leaders like Chad PERSON. I had leaders like the pastor and the youth leaders and stuff that were

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around me that were preaching. Even though I had this hypocrisy at home and all this turmoil and all this drama, I did have these safe places that I was on a weekly basis consistently in and hearing. And I think that messaging just sunk in.

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I think that messaging of what was the truth, what was right, what was good. So I think it laid a very good moral foundation. And as I got older, even though I kind of went away from like going to church or caring with those teachings, I think that foundation was built. And so that even when I was out on my own in the world and I was, I had. You still were tethered.

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There was still a lot.

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That's right. I was still tethered to him. Like it says, right, once a child of God, always a child of God. So I had that, I think, found it tethered to him. It's a good way to say it. And, you know, if, and what I got is I tell you what, what brought me back as I got older was just reflecting on my life and realizing that, how crazy is it? All the bad ups and downsthat we all have in life, I could literally connect them to going away from what I was taught. And all the things that unfolded the right way. And unfolded the right way doesn't always mean like I win or I get something, but that served my life for the better, being a better person and was when I make those right choices. Wow.

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So, and as I got older, I think that was the appreciation that I started to have for like,

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hey, you know what? Like, I know I give my mom and stuff a really hard time about everything that we went through, but she's definitely responsible for, you know, keeping me in front of that stuff and listening and hearing that stuff and digesting it because it was. It was, it's always been there. And so I think that as you get older and a little bit wiser and more experience,if, and you grew up and something like that, you tend to be, you can draw back. And I can, you know, every, when we, I'd hear things like, you know, and you hear this a lot. And I know you're definitely have to be experiencing this because of your journey right now. Like, we all have like great philosophers or people that we read or books that were impactful and stuff like that. And what's even wilder to me is that I can draw those

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all the way back to biblical stuff. So some of the greatest works and authors and things that we read today, you know, you're like, oh, man, that was a brilliant book or that was just a brilliant

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philosopher. And if you go back there, like, that lesson's there. Yeah.

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And so that was, that's been wild as I've gotten older and kind of went away from, you know, always reading my Bible WORK_OF_ART and going and reading other works as I started to make that connection of like, oh, this is, this guy is incredible or this author is awesome. But this same exact lesson I actually was given to me through this passage or like that. So that's been a trip.

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Yeah, really crazy, which brings us to another conversation because really this weekend, I've been diving deep into the whole GLP1 agonist kind of world. And mainly because, you know, we're seeing what's happening. We're seeing what's happening with mainstream.I'm looking at the data. And this weekend I went deep in the data. And we've never seen anything like this. Like there's never been a non-surgical medical intervention that's produced in terms of just weight loss results like this. Yeah.And I'm looking at this. And I'm really trying to reflect like, okay, when have we seen stuff like this before? What has happened as a result? Are there unintended consequences? Should we be cautious? My wife now, she tried out one of the GLP ones, didn't like it, made her feel nauseous type of deal.So she had some input. We were talking. And I was thinking really, really deeply about this. And I thought back to the other medical interventions or other medical interventions that changed like the course of culture. Okay.Because I think that JLP ones present, present this potential. They could literally, literally, from a weight loss perspective only. And we're going to get into this a little more. So don't just get excited here. But if you look at the trajectory of, you know, obesity, right? Just obesity.And you look at the impact that GOP ORG wins have in the data in terms of weight loss. This is the one thing that literally could reverse that trajectory. I've never seen anything like this in that sense, aside from doing it the right way, eating right, exercise, whatever, but we know how challenging that is for people. So I'm like, holy shit, this is going to impact us in such a massive way. And I look back and I thought, what other medical interventions have we created that have donethat? And I think of opiates, antibiotics. I think of, you know, birth control. And they did have some tremendous positives. Like, painkillers, like, didn't even come close to opiates until, and there's tremendous benefit.You get a lot of pain. Opiates are going to save you or help you. Antibiotics, obviously, you get an infection. Antibiotics saves your life. Birth control, obviously changed a lot of things. Did we overprescribe them?And are there, were there unintended consequences potential negatives? Well, yeah, opiates. We have an opiate addiction epidemic. Antibiotics. We're now in a situation where scientists are like, we're going to create bacteria that are so resistant antibiotics that they're going to, we're going to go back to, you know, medieval times with the plague. We've got to be very careful. And we just overprescribe the shed on for a while. So I'm looking at these and going, okay, we need to take a step back and be very careful.And one of the first places, and so why I'm saying this is I come in here and I'm like, I got to tell the guys we need to really be cautious. I didn't realize you guys already had a conversation about this, which is so cool. I'm so good.

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We're always aligned with that kind of stuff. But, you know, where my mind goes with this is the data shows weight loss, but it shows muscle loss because it's what happens when you just stop eating or eat less. That's just what happens. Your body tries to slow your metabolism down to meet the new caloric intake.

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And I thought, well, how many of these people on GOP-1s are going to try to eat more protein are going to go actually do real strength train to offset the negative? Probably not a lot. Probably not the negative. Probably not a lot. Probably not a lot. Probably not a lot. How many health issues are a result of obesityand how many health issues are a result of not enough muscle? The truth is we do have an obesity epidemic, but we also have a frailty epidemic.

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People are, strength, muscle mass, mobility has gone down for a long time.

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People are just not strong. This is causing problems as well. A sizable minority of people have heart disease and diabetes who are not overweight. They're just, they're just metabolically unhealthy. And so are we, are we really going to solve this problem? Or are we going to overprescribe?

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We're definitely not going to solve this problem.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I just, historically, we never solve any problem. We really don't. We find better answers, better solutions. We have lots of good ideas. We do save a lot of lives with Western medicine and things like that.

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But there seems to always be the abuse, the, you know, the overprescribes.

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There's going to be that. There's no doubt in my mind.

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We're just not using them right. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Well, that's, I mean, and we're going to be going to.

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One benefit I see is it'll reduce plane tickets. Yep. Shrink them back.

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I, you know, this is, this was really my motivation, right?

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Obviously, I mean, I hope, I mean, I know I got fat cheeks, but I didn't need to lose that much. I, you know, this is, this was really my motivation, right? Obviously, uh,

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I mean, I hope, I mean, I know I got fat cheeks, but I didn't need to lose that much. I didn't need to lose that much way,right? Like, that wasn't like, but I really, I was so, I was so,

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I was so,

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I was so intrigued by, by this. And I feel like, um, I mean, you've probably already done a deeper dive than I did,but I, I started to have so many people that was connected to me that were curious about this. And everywhere that I read, I felt like I could get something that made me feel really strongly about one side or the other. You know, you can find some stuff that will just scare the shit out of you and make you go like, this is going to be terrible.

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And then you can see the other side. It's like, oh, my God, it's the best thing that we've ever had, which, I mean, okay, I think that's, I think that's a sign. The biggest sign that I took away from that was it's not going anywhere. Not that it's the best thing ever or that it's the worst thing ever.

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It's not any good protocol adjacent to it.

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Yeah.

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That it's coming.

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And our job as, as, you know, what we do is like, okay, let's, it's not going anywhere.

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So let's see if we can help people do this the right way and steer people away who don't need to be using these.

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The biggest questions I'm getting are the comment, my DMs is nothing about this now.

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That's what all everybody's communicating with me and wanting to know about.

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The one that gets everybody, throws everybody a loop for is this, you know, me not caring about

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losing muscle or me not like really actively trying to like preserve it.

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And I, you know, I'm like the reason for that is I just, I really want to try and experience it like the average person.

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And I don't want to try to be a bodybuilder into this.

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Yeah, like who's, how many people do you know who have your ability to force feed themselves protein, who understand how strength, train properly and do it it consistently who are also going to take a GOP 1

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because they're obese. Because then I feel

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like my opinion is worthless.

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Right. You know, like it really is if I go

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Basically it's here's what Adam PERSON can do

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to the best of his ability. Yeah. So to me

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that to me I think where my

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opinion on this will carry some weight is if I just kind of let it take its course and train when I feel like I can and feel like it's something that I'm willing to go do. Like I'll tell you, the thing that's the most challenging right now and still is is, is working out. So there's this big like, and I know you'vetalked about this like, well, you know, it's going to be so important that people train and lift weights to mitigate the fat, I mean the muscle loss. but one of the hardest things to do when you're

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this low energy is to get motivated to lift weights and then even when you go lift go to lift weights you uh you can't I can't finish a full hour workout so I'm having to do these kind of micro type workouts reduce intensity reduce volume and so man I can't help but as I'm going through this going like dude the average person is the is not going to know how to do this.

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The average person is going to be like,

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okay, I'm here at the gym.

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I got to get that workout. Then they're going to probably push too hard, overtrain, make themselves throw a while. And they'll see the scale go down and be like, cool, this is working.

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I'll just keep doing this. Yeah. And so they're going to, so there's, and then I also know, too, I've been, I've been reading like there's a, there is a, there's hyper responders.There's non-responders. And then there's people that are responding great. And then there reading like there's a, there's a, there's hyper responders, there's non-responders, and then there's people that are responding great,

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and then there's people that are having adverse effects. So we've got a whole bunch of categories here. It's not like everybody takes it. It's all awesome. Not everybody takes it. It's all terrible.It's not everybody's getting up.

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It can be an addictive process of like, I'm shrinking. I'm shrinking. I get to the point now where I'm smaller, but my body fat percentage went up. And also, too, I'm more frail, you know, like maybe now, like my bones aren't as dense

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as they should be. Like, there's a lot of these issues. You're hitting some points there that are important. If you look at the data on osteopenia and osteoporosis over the last 30 years, it has gone up in all categories, not just old people, but people in their 40s and 50s. And these are obese people. So what you're going to do is you're going to just eat less. Is that really going to make you healthier?Yes, not the full picture. Maybe not. So we need to be so very careful. And then the pharma industry is like this, because here's what's going to happen, already what's happening. Farmer industry, it's a market. So they see where the money is going.And they're like, oh, shit, this makes people lose weight. So what's happening is you have, now R&D is getting dumped, just like I said, with opiates. Like the first opiate gets invented, and then you get this whole class of opiates or antibiotics or antidepressants. When they see money, you are going to see an incredible representation among the pharmaceuticalindustry with products, you know, peptides or even pharmaceuticals that act on these receptors because they've found now a hot button like this makes people lose weight.

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My prediction, okay, to your point right now, that what we're going to see is you know how loose, how, remember you guys remember the marijuana wave when, uh, when the doctors started coming out to prescribe you, you're, and like, you could like say, how, remember, you guys remember the marijuana wave when, uh, when the doctors started coming out to prescribe you, you're, and like, you could like say, anything, right? Oh, I have knee pain,

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you know, clock homo PRODUCT is a big one. I think, I think that the ability to get a, a doctor to prescribe

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you this is going to be anybody. I know right now, like anybody can go order it, but, but I'm saying

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from a prescription standpoint, so insurance will cover it. I think it's going to get insured,

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and I think it's going to be easy for doctors to prescribe it because of all the positive

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things that they're reading from it, and it's going to get, it's going to go crazy. And with that,

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you're going to see all the things that you're concerned about. We're going to see a lot,

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just like, just like something like, because this can be mainstream and there's no, you know,

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and everybody is going to take it and you're going to see it.

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And how many people have a healthy enough body image to lose weight,

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feel worse, and identify that, right?

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Here's what's going to happen to a lot of people.

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They're going to lose weight.

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They're going to ignore the fact that their hair's falling out.

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They feel like shit. They're tired. Can't work out. They're happy. I've seen this a billion times.

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Well, not a billion times. Obviously, so many times with clients that I worked with that I can't imagine the average person who doesn't have, because doctors have their strengths and weaknesses. And one of the weaknesses is doctors are not coaches.

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Your doctor sees you and then they don't see you anymore. And then you're on your own. Then you come back and you revisit and they say, okay, how are you? Oh, I lost 30 pounds. Great job. They're not with you every single day, monitoring, coaching, and saying,this is probably not a good thing.

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And the medical industry doesn't do a good job of saying no until she gets so out of hand. So like now you go get a prescription for an opiate and they're a little bit more careful or an antibiotic.

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Now they're like, wait a minute. Yeah, because of all the average. Exactly. Yeah, dude. Or stimulants like adorals. I mean, I predict you're right on that. I think that we're going to see that exactly like that,

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which is, I've said it always on the show. Like the pendulum swings so hard one way and then it kind of gets correct the other way. I'm so, so originally I said I'm going to go 12 weeks here. And I might go back on what I'm saying just because I'm getting so lean that it's like, well, is it really necessary for me to keep going all the way for 12 weeks? I mean, how hard is it for you to hit protein and calories if you really tried?

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If I really tried, right?

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Would it feel like forcing yourself?

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely. So, I mean, to me, that's almost inevitable if you're going to do this.

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Like what you're going, you're going to lose muscle.

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That's what I'm saying. You're not, you're not preserving muscle. Yeah. What previously overweight person is going to feel comfortable force feeding themselves? Right.

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Yeah. They're not going to. But here's where I'm heading with this, right? So now that I'm like going on week seven of being in this, I feel like I have a really good grasp of what the beginning looks like,

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what it feels like when your body kind of acclimates. What does it look like to try and work out?

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Like I have, now the thing I'm most curious about is coming off is what does it look like

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when I taper down the dosage or come off completely. And when I start to get those cravings or I start to desire food again.

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Right. And also because I've had this, this, I have maybe these new behaviors around food,

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did it, did it permanently positively affect some things? Like do I permanently, like I told you guys,

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one of the things that I was trying to work on was like, man, I have really trained myself to

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like eat these massive portion sizes.

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Will I, well, I, will I, well, I, even when the, the appetite comes back, will I be more disciplined about eating four tacos instead of 10 tacos?

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Will I just get a, you know, single burger when I have a burger? Will I just get regular meat instead of double, triple meat all the time? So I'm really curious to see those types of things. And then also, you know, because I've been so low energy with my workouts, do I get this surge of energy because I've refilled my body? And then my workouts are great and the intensity and volume starts to go up. And then any of those additional calories just goright back to building muscle. And so I've got this really lean base and I pack on muscle. Like, so I'm so curious like what's that going to look like. And again, I'm trying to do it without

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being super, you know. So here's a prediction for me because obviously if you're going to look like. And again, I'm trying to do it without being super, you know.

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So here's a prediction for me because obviously if you're going to go on these, I think you should qualify. I think this should be a last resort type of deal. I've tried this before. I have a lot of weight to lose. And I'm going to work with a coach who's going to help me with strength training and I'm going to hit these protein targets. That's what I think should happen. But what I think's probably going to happen with the pharma industry is you're going to see this start to really spread broad prescriptions

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across the board. And then they're going to, the pharma industry is going to come up with,

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this is what they always do, drugs to offset muscle loss. So what you're going to see is an increase in the production of SARMs, maybe testosterone, maybe growth hormone, more drugs to offset the negatives of this drug. Now, why am I saying this? This is what they do. This is historically what they do. Take this antidepressant.Oh, you get this problem. We made a drug to fix that problem.

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Oh, you take this. So it's going to end up being a slew of. I think it's important. The audience knows this too. I said it, but I think they need a really. So part of why I think I've had such positive results, aside fromsome of the side, side effects of being, from an aesthetic point is because I'm on growth hormone and

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testosterone. And you're also, so I've just, you were a pro bodybuilding. Yeah, so I had a lot of muscle

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already. I'm taking things that are muscle preserving. And so I am just leaning out. And I'm still

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maintaining. Now, I've lost, I know I've lost muscle, but I am just leaning out. And I'm still maintaining. Now, I know I've lost muscle, but I am still. But you would have lost way more.

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Yeah, but I look fit.

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Like, I mean, if I took my shirt off, I look like so. Even though I'm hardly working out, I still look like someone who's working out because I've chiseled down.

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And if I wasn't taking that, it'd be really interesting to see what would be happening to my, because I've actually really plateaued. I dropped 20 pounds and I've been stuck there. Like it's your metabolism adjusted.

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Yes.

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I'm like I'm literally and I'm not eating anymore. I'm not eating any less. If anything, I'm probably eating a little tiny bit more because I feel like as I've gone through this and I didn't, by the way, I didn't go up in the dose like they want.

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Right. I mean, I was going to say, isn't that like the protocol then would they just like up your dose to keep you through?

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Exactly. And I get why they do that because I can feel the body adapting to the dosage. And remember how I told you like day six, I start to actually have a little bit of like an appetite. It's a, I kind of feel it a little bit on day five now.

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So a little bit sooner, like it crushes the appetite on the first three to four days. Well, even up to the fifth day until recently, I sort of noticed that, which has actually been positive for me because it's like, oh, at least I'm getting now two days out of the week now. I feel like I'm eating a decent amount of calories, right, where I'm probably hitting my protein intake.And those are also the days. It's easier for me to get a good workout in. And so that's kind of really working to my favorite. That's why I'm, so one of the things my critiques from my perspective is, uh, the over prescribing dosages, you know, and, and there's a lot of doctors that are playing with this. I was just, I just sent a clip to you to a podcast interview of a doctor that'sprescribing this. And I talked to another doctor who's going lower. Yeah, they're going lower than what they're recommending. They're just going much lower, microdosing or keeping the patients at a lower. And I do think that like that experience that Jessica PERSON had, I felt that way too. Like the fact that she compared it to first trimester of pregnancy, when Katrina PERSON would describe to me how she feels about food and how she,that's how I felt. It's like this kind of borderline nauseous a little bit. And just food just isn't. That's kind of how I felt. It took about a week for that to kind of get better but it's it's still not great like food is just I'm not I for seven weeks nowI have not had a meal and Katrina PERSON this talks about this is really funny because she thinks how much she loves to watch the way I eat because she says that like I just look like I'm just having the time of my life like she says when you, especially when you eat things like ice creams of that, she's like, I'll just watch you. And you don't even know I'm watching you because you're just like,

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the faces that you make when you eat.

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I'm totally oblivious. She's probably turned on. But she's like, I didn't realize that I haven't seen that. You know, she hasn't seen that for like seven weeks.Like you just don't even look like. So that's another thing like, you know, food is, and we've said this before GLP-1s, food, entire cultures have been created like, you know, food, and we've said this before GLP-1s, food, entire cultures have been created or, you know, built around different foods. Like if I say Italian NORP food, you think of, you know what that looks like, right?I say French food, Chinese NORP food, like you know what that is. Celebrations, you know, morning, connecting meetings, typically done around food. This has been done for all of recorded human history. Part of that is the pleasure that we get from food and connecting with people. If you take that away, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is, but it's got to have some other unintended consequences.

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You separate pleasure from food.

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I actually think,

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I actually think Sal PERSON, though, as much as I don't like that going through that process,

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I think for a lot of people, that's actually a better thing. I think a lot of people have become addicted to that and have abused that.

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And so I think, so I think kind of like, part of that, I think kind of cutting that off has made you right. And even myself,I realize like, oh, wow, boy, how much of my eating behaviors are this driven on this hedonistic,

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oh, I want it to taste. You see the company's praying off that.

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Yes. And engineering things to really pull you in a different direction because of that fact that it's like it is a enjoyable, pleasurable experience. You know, to step away from that for a bit, I think it's beneficial, but also to, you know, you don't want to completely remove that. That's how I feel. I feel like, obviously, if it comes back, if it was eliminated don't want to completely remove that. That's how I feel. I feel like obviously if it comes back, right, if it was eliminated me forever,that would really suck into your point like that. I mean,

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like imagine right now if the whole world were hyper responders and they were all in GLP ones, let's just say the modern world, right? So now nobody really enjoys eating food that much, not that big of a deal. Think about cultures around foodand markets around food and connecting with food. Now think, you know, two, three generations down. Does that mean we start moving more towards processed food? Because now we don't care as much.

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Like here's my meal cube that's got the calories. Here's my, like in those fake sci-fi movies where they're like, nobody eats food. They just take a pill.

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Dehydrated, yeah, pill.

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Isn't it going to look like that?

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Where all of a sudden food means.

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So here's the devil's advocate with that, right?

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I don't know. Or like, you know, just going back and forth with you, not of a sudden food means... So here's the devil's advocate with that, right? I don't know.

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Or like, you know, just going back and forth with you, not necessarily that I disagree. No, it's good discussion.

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Is that I almost feel like it's leveling the playing field against the people, the scientists that are making it super hypercova. I bet you the way I... And I want to make it clear, too. Like, food isn't terrible. Like, I mean, and what did I do yesterday?I took my mother, my mother-in-law and my wife and my son to one of my favorite places to go eat. And it was incredible. And I had very much so that it was, but it wasn't just about the food.

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It was actually more about having great conversation and enjoying the view and my son and my mom. Like, I mean, I don't think it's taking from that at all. In fact, what it actually has done is that the food is less important. It's part of the process of community and sharing and doing so like that. But I don't, I'm not like in my plate like this. I'm just like in.

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Well, so here's another thing too, because I don't know, right? I'm just thinking like I'm trying to really expand my head and I'm just throwing things out there. Here's another one. We've seen the data on gastric bypass, which is a medical, this is throwing things out there. Here's another one. We've seen the data on gastric bypass, which is a medical, this is a surgical medical intervention. It's very effective for weight loss. A high percentage of people, by the way, they have to go through a crazy screening process for one, and this is one of the reasons why. People get gastric bypass. They have a spike inabuse of other substances or other behaviors because they're searching for, is it going to cause that? Could it potentially? I know that there's some like, there's some casual, maybe not data, but, but, you know, kind of murmurings about, you know, it reduces hedonistic drive generally, but we don't know. The verdict's not out yet on that. So what if it cuts that out, you get all these people eating less and they turn to other ways.

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So that, from my experience, right? Again, I'm only telling from what I've experienced. It's the opposite of that.

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Okay.

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So that, which is also what I think is interesting because I thought that might happen, right? Because I'm not getting any pleasure here.

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Do I need to seek other places? If anything, it's across the board. If anything, it's just you don't have that crazy hedonistic drive for things. And I don't feel like I'm missing out. I only feel like I'm missing out because I know what it's like to eat crushed 10 tacos

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because I'm starving for dinner and Katrina PERSON finally made it.

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And I'm like, but when I really think about those behaviors, it's like I shovel the first four in my face. I'm not enjoying each bite.

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I'm not like being patiently eating.

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I was so hungry because I didn't eat in so long.

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Have you noticed any changes in your,

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in any other high highs that you would get from other things?

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Or like, is it everything down?

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No, no. Okay. In fact, the conversation I had last night with Katrina PERSON was, I literally just said,man, if I could, if I were to draw up what my life looked like and I got older in retirement, I said the last four days together was the most amazing four days.

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So I'm having moments like that where I just like, man, we did this with family. And then we were with my family, then your family. Then we did this with the car show and then you and I got to have a night alone.And then we had it like, and so I'm very, everything else is incredible. Like there's a lot of positive stuff. The biggest negatives to me, and again,how much of that is because I've all, I love the hard workouts and lots of, like my workouts look really different. They look like not a guy who's trying to be super strong.

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Like a guy who's just kind of trying to maintain his muscle mass.

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Like you're doing because you have to. Yeah. Like get a couple pull-ups in. You know what I'm saying? I'm not getting a pump. I'm not like into the workout into the workout it's like hey I need to touch some weights this week or I know for sure I'm going to lose some muscle and so I do the bare minimum that I need to dojust to do that and it's I'm not getting into my workout so my workout relationship is radically changed on and I really have to pay attention to how i feel and i'm feeling oh also i know today isn't a a element commercial or element tea but that has become mandatory i'm so low on calorie i one of the things i your sodium's low too i noticed that if i miss that that actually has one of the

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most dramatic effects on my energy filling yeah and so i have been that's so I have been able. That's like when you fast. Same thing.

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I know.

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And I know, I know better. Like, I know that. And so I started taking it right away. But I've had days where I've been inconsistent and I've been able to connect the dots of like, oh shit.

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Yeah, because carbs are down, water's out of your body.

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Yeah.

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And even more dramatic because the only foods.

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I'm eating mostly really healthy foods.

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So it's really tough to hit that sodium intake. Speaking of partners, every once in a while we work with a partner who has a product that's so, that's so effective that you have to tell your family or friends, like, this is going to knock you out or whatever.So Lunar PRODUCT is the product I talk about.

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Oh, bro. I love. That is an occasional product for us because it's so effective. It's pretty powerful.

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Yeah, you take the four tablets that recommends, you're going to sleep, dude. Yeah. You're out. Yeah. You are going nine night. All he needs two.Yeah. Are you going down to two? Yeah, I went down to two. That's Jessica PERSON, too. Yeah. She uses two.That way I'm not like as great, because you can be groggy a bit in the morning if you go too much.

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You know, it's funny too about it. And you pointed this out. I did not think about this at all. I would at all that I think about this. He, you know, Mike made it chewable tablets. And I remember when we first saw it, I'm like,

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stupid. Just make it pills. Who cared about you? And you made a point. I thought it was brilliant. You don't want to drink water an hour before bed because then you got to wake up and pee.

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Chewable tablets requires no water. I didn't even think of that. That's why. I didn't even think of that. That's why it's become, I've never been really consistent. The only other one I would use is our, our Ned ORG droppers back when we're doing that, because it doesn't require water either. But I've never been really consistent with any supplement aids because of the fluids. Because it's already a struggle with me to not drink that much water.So having to take a pill and wash it down, you have to drink a decent amount of water. I can't just like throw four pills in my mouth and just a little sip. I got to like drink so it feels like it goes all the way

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down. So I just, it makes me pee more. So having the chewable tablets, man, I use it last night. I use

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that. That's become a very consistent product that I wouldn't say very consistent where I'm every

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night. But it's my go-to. If I know, like, I'm going to have a hard time sleeping or we've been going all day or I need to get to sleep, that's been my little hack of using the night for sure.

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Dude, I got to tell you guys, my one and a half-year-old, right, my little daughter, you know, I'm very involved with my little kids and comparison to how I was with my older ones when they were little. I just worked too much. I just wasn't around. So I'm very involved.And I always wanted that, you know, I don't know, in my head, I always wanted like daddy's little girl. I always want a little girl, my little daughter to be stuck to dad or whatever. It's working. It's happening. It's happening. I was playing with her this weekend. And she's just holding my face and she's kissing me and she's playing with my ears. And I'm sending videos to Jessica PERSON. And Jessica's like, she doesn't do that with me. I'm like,

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what? Really? Hell yeah. She's just working, dude. So Jessica's still number one. So she's still, you know, loves mom more.

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But I think on my edge route soon. So we'll see what happened. I want to be, yeah, I want to be the.

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I mean, it's very possible. I think that it's like with Max PERSON, you know, there's certain things obviously

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goes to his mom. But she would probably tell you this. She would probably say like like, I have this impact on him where she just, this happened to us the other day where we, what do we, oh, we had a dinner on, what was that Tuesday last week or Wednesday last week. So we had a dinner, we worked late, and then we had something else that we work late. And Katrina PERSON's pieced it together. And I've been so consistent with getting home early and spending, you know, four hour plus blocks with my son and being a part of the whole bed process that he's been trained, that that's like daddy time with me. And he, and so when I travel, I'm gone, she goes, his, his behavior changes.He's not, he's like, and she's like, I know that the third morning, like, if you do that to him, if he, like one day, not a big deal. If you do it two days in a row to him, especially, it's actually almost worse when I'm there. If I'm home and he doesn't get it because I'm just working or busy, if I'm traveling, she can, she can disconnect him and it just be, and then he's excited to see me to get back. But otherwise, she goes, I know that morning getting up for school is going to be a challenge because he's just a crab. He starts to be a crab when he

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doesn't get that. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. And she's like, now how does that make you feel? It's like, there's mixed feelings, right? Parties like, oh, my kid.And the other party was like,

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I mean, probably like her because she's like, you know, it makes her life difficult. She goes, but I love it. She goes, I know that he's so attached to you and you guys have built such a bond that that's how I, she goes, that's how I snap out of it is.And she goes, like you where this is the same thing. Like, if I'm mentally prepped for you're going to be a pain in the ass, I can handle your attitude, right? She's like, I can handle. She's like, when I know we're going somewhere where you're not going to like it, you're not going to be happy.And I prep you.

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Yeah, and I prep you. One, you're 10 times better when I prep you. Two, I'm mentally ready for your little comments and your little shit. You're like, your son is exactly the same way. So it's like, if I'm mentally prepped that, okay, tomorrow morning, my son's going to be. Yeah, she's like, then I'm fine and I actually can see the positive side.

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I love that you guys are bonded like that so much. So we have, I mean, our whole house is a bit of a disaster zone. It's like just chaos. But it was worth it because like these kids came over and like, I you guys about the sort of neighborhood kid group that it's like Everett's like good friends with.

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But they just decided upon themselves to just start digging a hole like out of nowhere.

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Like it just dig holes.

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That's so fun.

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I know, right?

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I forgot all about that. What is that?

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Why do I?

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Because what's down there.

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I have no idea. You don't know what's going to be. I don't even remember why we did it either. I just remember we would do it. Think about him now as adult man. If we had the energy.Yeah. Imagine if we want to, I'd be kind of like interesting.

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Dude, they always find something.

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Like there was like weird bugs, you know, that they found that were like crawling out and like,

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you know, and then the dogs went over there looking and the cats and like, you know, the whole crew of everybody like surrounding this, just hole you know, and they're getting mud everywhere, dude. Did they make it real deep? Or how far did they go? It's deep, dude.They kept going, like, Ever got in there and he's just like, you know, digging away. And I was like, this is all great, but this is going to have to be filled back in. He knows that. And he was, like, almost crying.

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He's like, dad, we worked so hard on this.

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Why would you do this? What are you going to do it with the hole? I can't. Like, like, dad, we worked so hard on this. Why would you do this? What are you going to do with the whole? I can't. Like next weekend, like, and I'm unfortunately going to be gone. But like my other friend was going to use my house to have a party for his like two-year-old. And I'm like, I can't have a hole this big.

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All these little two-year-olds run around my property. This is like a hazard.

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You know, he's just like, well, can I at least, you know?

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He's like trying to make like, can I make a pond out of it or something?

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Like put like a tarp on there. And it's like, what are we doing here? You know, but I love it. It's like he's just experimenting and I got an idea for you.

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Yeah. Have him bury something really cool in there. And then he'll want to cover it. He'll be like, we'll check it out. You know, like 10 years. It's not bad.

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Yeah, those kids do that. You guys do one of those time capsules.

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Do a time capsule with them. Actually, that would be a fun project with him. Okay.

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Do a time capsule.

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Yeah, that would actually be really cool. Do like a little time capsule. You know, we did.

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Just treasure later on in life.

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Yes, dude. And then you can go dig it up 10 years later and it's so fun.

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Actually, bro, that would be hell fun.

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You should do like a, have him, like, write a letter to himself. Maybe you write a letter to him. Get like a picture that's current and whatever and like maybe a thing, you know? And then you like do a time capsule. But we didn't do a time capsule. We were just,we just went my grandparents back yard.

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And we just dug up a bunch of he man. We put him in hell of deep. And then as adults were like, I wonder if we go back there. This is the most valuable thing he had. Oh my God.It's still here. Finally a cool baseball card. That's all pretty, you know what I'm saying? They can end up being worth a bunch of money later on.

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You know, I just baseball cards are in my head.

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So I got to tell you guys this story.

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So I know I've brought it up on the show or I've definitely have at least told you guys

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that I have like one of my best friend, my best friend like that would go way all the

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young childhood, right?

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He's grown ass man and he's hardcore into like collecting basketball, baseball cards, right?

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It's like just so crazy to me too.

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Like, and it's not like he has a ton of disposable income either. And yet he's the guy who like goes down to Target or Walmart on the Tuesdays. When they get the shipment, you know, gets there right away.

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They open buys all the boxes that they have of cards and goes home and opens them all up and stuff like that.

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And just he's, and he's been doing this.

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Where do people have the time to do this? Bro, I know. That too. Right. And he's good. Two kids.Busy. Works like crazy. It's his thing, dude.

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It's a hobby, right?

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He is super, super busy. He's busier than I am by far. And yet he still finds time to do something. And he's always trying to get me on too. Like, bro, you got to go do this. You got to go.

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And I'm like, bro, I don't have the time to add another hobby like this like especially that hobby of all the

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things so anyways it's always been like this thing that i give him shit about because he's he's really

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ramped it up the last two years he calls me yesterday motherfucker pulled a card that's worth like

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$20,000 for real yes he has a he has a card that is he gonna now is to sell it? Is he going to make the money?

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Yeah. So he's going to sell it. So he just had it. So you get these cards that and you'll see they're graded. And you get them graded by either PSA or Beckett ORG.

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Right. And basically if you have a card that's already a card that you think is going to be worth money, you ship it into one of these companies. And they professionally grade it, you know, bolt it in, seal it, and that card is sealed with a...

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Like mint condition.

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Yes, with a score.

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And then there's a basic score,

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which is like PSA 10 or Beckett's 10.

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And then they send you like an email,

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certified email that comes with it

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that is also like a breakdown of every aspect. Color, centering, corners, and then that's all scored. And so if you have a rare card where there's only say like a thousand total of them, and then it scores like a 10 center, 10 condition, something like that, that's a card that could end up being.And so he got a Wimby PERSON, which is the kid who's going to get a rookie of the year this year, who is the guy I told you it's 7, 7, 6 and can dribble the black guys,

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I was telling you guys the other day right so he's gonna get

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rookie the year for sure he might even get defensive player of the year so that's crazy both of those and he looks like he's gonna be like one of the craziest players we've ever seen and he got a like one off card dude he already got a rare card as was and then it got scored a 10 out of 10 on everything now will he

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find a buyer do you you think? Yeah.

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I mean, that same card that got a 9.5 rating just sold for $10,000.

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So somebody bought it.

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So someone's going to buy this.

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Oh, yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And he hasn't spent nearly.

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Yeah, that's a crazy thing to buy at that height, right?

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Your thought is that it's going to be worth more later.

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So he goes, he told me, he says, hey, man, he goes, I know I need to sell this.

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I have to sell this.

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He goes, but I love to keep it in the family. You should, you should buy it. I'm like, fuck, no.

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I said, I love you to death, bro.

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But here's a problem.

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Yeah, I'll give you a $1,000. Well, here's what I told him.

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I said, you know, I would buy, 100% would buy a $10,000, Kobe Bryant PERSON, Shaquille O'Neill, Michael Jordan PERSON card. Because they're already done with their career and they're already valued that.That card will only know.

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This kid can go out. Yeah,

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this kid breaks his leg next year. Totally. And that $20,000 card is worth nothing. I mean, if he doesn't, if he doesn't,so his part of why

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it's projected so high right now is they're projecting his career. Speaking of which, speaking of which, are O.J. Simpson's PERSON cards

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were they worth more after everything that happened with this, with this trial?

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I assume.

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Or did they go down on value?

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I bet it went up.

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I bet you too.

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I bet you don't know that.

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I bet you when O.J. Simpson PERSON would be weird

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if it affected the value of his,

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like, trading cards.

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I think you probably would go up

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because of all the controversy and all that crazy.

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I would think so too.

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Right? But I don't know. That's actually a really maybe maybe.

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Did he just pass away? Google Doug PERSON could find out. Yeah, he just passed away. He just died from cancer. Uh-huh.

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Wow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, look that up, Doug PERSON. That's a really interesting question.

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If it, if it, if it's a, if O.J. Simpson PERSON trading card or rookie card.

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Value up. Value up or down after murder.

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Or alleged murder. Yeah, yeah. Remember. At this point, we could say, murder.

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Remember, if the glove doesn't fit, guys. Yeah. It's like, come on.

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There's no leads.

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Yeah, that's actually, I don't know.

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That's a really good call.

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Normally when...

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Normally when shit happens. Well, and even just when someone passes,

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when someone passes and they've been retired or when they retire, that's why, too, I told my buddy, I was like, you have to sell this car. By the way, you guys ever watch? I know this is not cool to say, but you ever watched old film of OJ Simpson PERSON when he played? That guy was insane.

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Oh, he was really talented.

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Yeah. He was insane. One of the best. Yeah.

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What are you finding there, Doug PERSON?

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Well, I am seeing that after his death, the value's gone up.

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Also, yeah.

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So then it most likely did, because if it went up even more after he died, it was probably

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up after, even after all that, all that.

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That's a, that's a.

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I mean, two ways you can make a lot of money, right?

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Is either you're notorious for something terrible or something good?

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You know, I'm going to steal this moment of being on sports talk

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because we rarely get this to give you something, Justin PERSON.

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On Peacock ORG, which is a streaming service, I don't know if you have it or not.

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It, there was a documentary.

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There was a documentary.

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Do you know who owns Peacock? NBC. Comcast ORG. Oh, okay. It, uh, there was a documentary. There was a documentary.

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Do you know who owns Peacock ORG?

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NBC ORG.

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Comcast ORG.

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Okay.

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So Comcast ORG bought it.

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Well, it's also, yeah, I believe they own NBC ORG also.

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Okay, okay.

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Comcast ORG, that was there when the whole streaming war and they were losing like crazy. That was their counter.

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And so they've actually, they got some, remember they got some of the football games this year?

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So they're, you know, finding a way. It'd be interesting to see what happened with the company, like how much they took a dive. like crazy that was their counter. And so they've actually, remember they got some of the football games this year?

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So they're, you know, finding a way.

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It'd be interesting to see what happened with the company,

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like how much they took a dive and then if they're rebounding.

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Anyways.

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Yeah.

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Rambling, sorry. 2020, this documentary was released. I just watched it last night. It was so good. It was Joe Montana's PERSON. Oh, Montana PERSON.

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So, and it's on.

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There's somebody.

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There's one athlete.

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The story, his whole story is like, you know, he was an only child. His parents were like, and they grew up Silicon Valley LOC. So it's a really, really good...

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I heard he's a really big entrepreneur.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, he's done... And they, man, you know, they're not a lot of kids. I know Doug PERSON is rare like this, too. Like, you know, if you grew up way back in the day, that actually have footage. Like, they had a lot of footage. There's a lot of footage of him, like up way back in the day, uh, that actually have footage. Like, they had a lot of footage.There's a lot of footage of him like when he was a baby,

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when he was a young kid. So I, I, not a lot of people that are that age have a lot of good actual like video, uh, of them.So the documentary has a ton of like, old, like his dad and him in the yard, like throwing the football at a tire that's going back and forth.

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Oh, that's like a kid. That's so nostalgic.

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Oh, it's so cool. And to see that from somebody like that and to see the kind of, and you get to actually see the kind of back and forth. That's like a kid. That's so nostalgic for me. Oh, that's so cool. And to see that from somebody like that and to see the kind of, and you get to actually see the relationship that he has with them. So it was sweet.

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Yeah, it's worth watching. That's awesome. All right. One more thing. I'll say to take a left here, but I ran out of the interra hair.

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Is it where you're looking silver? Listen, no, me, I don't know.

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Am I looking more silver? You do look more silver. So I ran out and used it for a while. And, you know, you ever, you're looking silver? Listen, no. I don't know. Am I looking more silver?

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You do look more silver?

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So I ran out and used it for a while and you know, you ever, you know, there's some

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products you use it.

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And then at first you're like, I noticed something. Then you use it for a while.

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And like, is it doing anything? Stopped using it for a while and my hair started falling out. Oh, wow.

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Yeah. And I got my hands on some more thankfully and started using it again.

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So you got to keep, yeah, you got to keep using it. But it works. It definitely works. I feel like that almost with all those products like that.

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Like, there's skincare one too. If like when you use it within two days, you notice a big difference. Do you think stop using it and you notice?

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Do you think there's a negative thing like or is that more of a like so because I felt this way to using products like this where I would use it and then I was like, is it working? And then I'd not use it.

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And then all of a sudden I'd see like thinning really about it. And I'd be like, oh, shit. Like, is this the normal trajectory?

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That's stopping it. So that's what I was wondering.

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I'm like, do is, is your, your opinion on this that you were actually like really on this route of losing, losing, and then by taking it, it's like stalled it.

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And then that picks it back up.

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Or did the product have some sort of a negative effect that, okay, so you think that's.

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Yeah, because peptides, the peptides that they use are drivers, so the skin peptides, for example, are drivers of skin regeneration, blood flow, you know, boosting certain nutrients at copper, like in the scalp, for example, which is, you know, good for hair loss. So it's basically kind of, it's stopping or slowing down what could potentially happen, kind of turbocharging everything. And you go off of it, you go back to where you were before.

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Yeah.

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You know, their skin product has the GHK in it.

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I know.

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Yeah. Katrina PERSON, like, that's become like.

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Is it the copper?

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Yes. Yeah. That's become a go-to, like, like, face cream for her. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah. Oh, Jessica PERSON's selling it to all her friends.

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Yeah.

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I mean, literally, it's not cheap either.

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No, it's not. No, but it's effective. It's effective of shit. Oh,listen, you notice it by day two. So she's having her friends, her friends will come over and she'll be like, put this on right now.

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Just let me put it on again. Then we'll call back like, okay, you know, I need to use this. Yeah.Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, like, uh, on the show, like how we, you know, propose to her wife,

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whatever and like, you know, funny stories with that. And, uh, it's been a while. I don't know if you guys have seen anybody like in a long time kind of do that where all of a sudden it's this sort of big display and like, I've seen it at a ball game.

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I've seen it at different places. This one sort of takes the cake for me. I hadn't, it took me by surprise. Over the weekend, I was at this like kind of expo. And on stage, they actually had like a little bodybuilding show there. And so this guy was up there and, you know, jacked guy.He was in his old, you know, skimpy black th, uh, black, um, bikini. Fong.

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Yeah. It wasn't even like a regular. It was a thong. Yeah, it was a thong. It wasn't even like,

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Hold on second. There's something you're skimming over here. What expo were you at?

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I'm going to ask you. I was like, this is the new thing. Like dudes are, are cheeking out, you know, on stage.

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Not really. Instead of like, um, I don't think so. Yeah, it shouldn't be a thong. But it, I mean, they do have a...

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Or they'll pull it up to show their glutes.

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Yeah, you might seem to do that.

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They turn around the back and they'll, like,

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slides the size.

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You can see the striation in their...

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Kyle PERSON, you can back me up.

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You were there.

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It was thong.

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What kind of expo was?

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Is it a fitness?

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It was like, yes, fitness,

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but it's mainly like more like sports.

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Oh, okay.

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So we were kind of like doing a little bit investigation and see if it was...

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Because it was local. It was like in San Clara GPE. Not a lot of places to hide the ring bit of investigation and see if it was, because it was local.

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It was like in San Claire GPE.

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Not a lot of places to hide the ring though.

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That's what I was wondering.

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First of all, where do he get it?

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I'm like, and then, well, he just sort of has the mic and he brings like his fiance up, you know, his little girlfriend up on the stage and then and then drops down kind of does the thing.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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And for everybody and everybody's just like, you know, like,

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congratulations. You know, it's like a big moment and like, you know,

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you want, but I'm like, really? Like here? Like, you're not wearing anything.

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And I've been to a lot of shows and I've never seen anybody do that. That'd be a weird time.

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You've got to be really confident. She's going to say yes. Yeah. Exactly. You're all thonged out

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and you're like, you'll put yourself out there. If you're, if you're the guy that that, like, what's your, because, okay, at least this is how I thought about my proposal.

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I thought about what would my wife love? Like, what would my, what would like, so like what the way I did it was not how I would like to do or what I would do.

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It was just like she's such a family oriented person. Yeah.

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That, you know, and on Thanksgiving is when we get everybody together

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from all over.

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And so I knew that getting down on a knee in front of her family would be very meaningful.

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Not what I wanted to do.

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That's how I thought. So what is he thinking that?

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Exactly.

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Exactly my thought process.

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I was like, did you think of this all, like on your own?

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Did you think about what she wanted?

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You ever hear the story of the, there was a woman, there was a man who was

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going to propose to his girlfriend and he came home early from work to surprise her

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and had her whole family in their apartment waiting.

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Yeah.

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And she came home with one of her coworkers.

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Oh.

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Whoa.

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My God.

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So they were hiding. She comes around.

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Shut up. That's not real.

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I think it's, I don't know, maybe it's a, it's a other legend.

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She was working on a project dealer. No, no. She came around. He was hiding. They were real. I think it's, I don't know, maybe it's a... That can't be real. We're working on a project dealer. No, no. She came around. He was hiding. They were all hiding. And then they started making out and they turned a light on.Stupid.

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Hey, listen.

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I don't know if it's an urban legend, but I heard about something like that.

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That can't be true.

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That sounds like old school.

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Didn't that happen? Yeah.

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I feel like that's like a movie. I think you like talking about some movie. That's, I think it isn't a movie actually. That sounds crazy.

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Did you imagine? Oh, the heart of the tiny. I mean the tiny of the chances of that. I have seen videos though where people are on the altar. I have seen videos on it on YouTube where they're on the altar and then the husband pulls and they're doing their their, what is it called? When they're vows.

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Their vows. And the guy brings up and I saw one with a girl do this too, where they bring up the vows, but instead they read text messages that they printed from the other person.

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And you can see that the bride was like, uh, uh, uh, and it was with one of the groomsmen, I think.

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Like to say, I'm not getting married.

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Yeah, like I caught you cheating. Yeah, and he just starts reading text messages. Shut up. Yes. Oh my gosh.

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Yeah, there's videos like that you can find.

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There's more than one where they get confronted on the altar.

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I wouldn't do that.

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I feel like some of those are like,

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what's the majority of those do you think that are staged?

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I know.

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Because I just don't trust.

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Like,

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who's really going to go through all of that to display that?

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I saw Mark Bells PERSON shared a post. He's so funny. It's how I default to that now. I almost.

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I know because there's so much.

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I like there was this guy.

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Because you're going to get so many views.

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There was this guy that was doing,

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he did a video on his thing.

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And I know this is Mark PERSON's been posting some of this all the time just to get controversy and people talk about it. And it was like, you know, like music was playing. The truck's going.He's running. He's doing cartwheels and throwing the trash in there. And it's like, everyone's like, oh, it's so cool to love, you know, love whatever you do work and they're talking about all the positive stuff. And it's like, everyone's like, oh, it's so cool to love, you know, love whatever you do, work.And they're talking about all the positive stuff. And I'm like, those trash bags were all perfectly wrapped, were all stacked.

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I'm like, that doesn't ever have it. You know, you guys were going to your house and look at all the trash cans.

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Like, they're not ever like perfectly stacked or the bags are all wrapped. I'm like, that was so staged for a video. Dude, anytime I do a parkour video, like, I'm, like, already, like, you know, going through. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. I'm, like, staging it out because there's no way.I'm just going to randomly just jump off something.

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And it's so hard to get excited. That's how I felt it's so hard to get excited about it, like, a cool video now because I'm like, that everybody is chasing going viral so much that it's like, it's all fake, dude.

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They practice all this stuff a thousand times before they even post it out there. And, I mean, think about how many times stuff has happened in your life that was crazy and you didn't have a camera recording you.

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Every time.

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That's every time.

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I've never had like,

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oh yeah,

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dude,

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I got it.

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Yeah,

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yeah. Yeah, I take a lot of pride in the fact that I think my life outside of Instagram is way better than my life in Instagram ORG,

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which is the opposite.

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I think of a lot of people today.

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I think a lot of people hype up everything that is anything cool in their life on

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Instagram ORG.

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And then inside, they're like depressed and sad and not really doing shit. Yeah, no, it is unfortunate. That's terrible. All right. So the shout out should be, I think, that we continue to talk about our live event. We're getting all kinds of messages.People are excited.

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Let's go to Vegas GPE. We haven't done a live event in years since right before COVID. So we're going to be in Vegas GPE, what is it, June 15th. And we're going to meet fans and have a great time. And you can go to Mind Pump Live.com, ORG sign up,come meet us, hang out. It's going to be a good time.

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It's at the Bellagio ORG. And Doug PERSON, we're staying there, right? Yes. Yeah. So we'll be staying there too. So it's a, I think the VIP are sold out already. So I think the VIP is, yeah.

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Last I saw there was one ticket left and that was like two days ago. So I don't know if there's any of those left. General admission, though, there still is. We also set up to where we have a bartender. So it'll be, we'll have some, so 21 and over, right? So you need to be 21 to be in there to be drinking and hanging out with all of us.But to be in Vegas GPE and do this, I'm super fun.

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Hi, how are you all doing? Thank you for having me. You got it. How can we help you?

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So my question today for you guys is to see if we could talk about how to approach diet and exercise as I come off of the GLPB1 agonist.

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Specifically, I've been using terseptite and I've reached a weight that I'm happy with.

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And so I'm tapering off.

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I've just begun that process of tapering off of the peptide. And so I'm hoping for some guidance on how to approach my diet and nutrition going forward. I'll just summarize a little bit of the backstory that was in my email. I was introduced to lifting about 11 years ago through CrossFit classes. I was 40 at the time. I've been relatively consistent. I miss here and there because of family scheduling or injuries or whatnot. But overall, for a decade, I've been prettyconsistent. I really enjoy lifting of all kinds. I like traditional. I like Olympic EVENT lifting. I did a strong man competition, and that was a real kick in the pants, too. Like many people, I've lost weight through diet and exercise. Then I regain the weight.Then I'd lose some more weight. Then I would regain the weight. And that was the driving factor for why I chose to start the terseptitide, which I used for the last eight months. So I have good nutrition. I eat clean.I know how to track my food. I worked with a nutrition coach for a while, so I felt like I did all the things and I did all the foundation work, I guess you would say. But I don't want to take transepatite forever. I think that I can get off of it if I have the right plan going forward. I love this question.

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I love this question. I love this question.

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Rachel PERSON, do you know that I'm going through this right now?

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Yes.

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I've heard a couple of episodes where you've mentioned it.

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Yeah, so I'm on week four right now. I'm blown away by what I see. And I don't, I'm not sure. I think I've communicated this on the podcast that my intent is to go through this like a client versus being a trainer. So I'm really kind of just letting it take its course and, you know, when I'm hungry,make good balanced choices.

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I'm not really actually overly tracking and being afraid that I'm under, I already know I'm under consuming protein. And I've already been thinking about what is it going to be like when I get off and how am I going to reintroduce. So I think the guys and I will be able to give you some pretty good advice right now.

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I think I'm going to be able to give you really good advice over the next two to three months.

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So make sure you're listening and staying tuned. A couple questions, really curious because you're so much further ahead than I am. Tell me a little bit about how it felt for you. Did you have a lot of success? Did you go? Did you drop down in body fat percentage significantly?What did you notice? Like, what are maybe some of your fears of coming off of it? Like, tell me a little bit more.

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So at my heaviest, I was 240. I'm 510. At my heaviest, I was 240. I was creeping up around 2.30 when I started the trezepatide. I had lost some of the weight, and then I started tricepetide. So, yes, the weight came off.I'm at 184 now.

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Wow.

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So I've lost a significant amount of weight. For me, it came off a little bit slower than, you know, the health providers. I went through a clinic and the health providers would meet with me and stuff. And they, you know, would say, well, the terseptit, people are losing three or four pounds a week. And that was never the case for me.I lost a couple pounds a week generally. But my body fat percentage came down from, it was 28 when I started, and now it's like 21 to 22. And that's, I don't have access to the decks and scans and things like that. So those are, those are trends that I follow on my little at home impedance scale.

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So the number might not be perfectly accurate, but the trend was consistent.

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That's okay. That's was consistent. That's okay.

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That's good info.

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That's really good. I carry a lot of muscle. So that was part of, I guess, of my comfort level with deciding to try the terseptopat is that I felt like I was, I was always very muscular and I was very strong, but I just couldn't shed the fat. And so, um, definitely I've lost muscle. Like, I just chose going into it that that's going to be something I have to accept.Um, but I tried to minimize that, obviously, you know, I tried to keep lifting and, um, taking creatine and, you know, I can't hit my protein targets.

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Like, yeah, I know that we should.

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And I, yeah, I heard you say that.

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Yeah, it's like impossible. It feels impossible just because you're not hungry.

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I think supplementing with protein is probably essential while you're on.

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Now that I'm hearing more people's experiences. Oh, yeah. It's so hard to hit. I would even go one step further. I actually was thinking about this this morning. And it's ironic because we've shit on the supplement for so long.If there was ever a time, I would consider taking BCAAs.

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It's because there's times where I don't even want to take a shake.

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Even taking a light shake is like just doesn't sound on it.

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Yeah.

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So to have, you know, even that in there to mitigate that a little bit. So Rachel PERSON, I'm trying to do a little math here just to see what the lean body mass loss was during that period. So you said almost 230, is 228 more accurate? Or can you give me an accurate number? Would you say when you started?

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Um, no. Okay.

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So we'll go off of 230.

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Yeah. Okay. We'll go off of 230. Yeah.

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Okay, we'll go off 230 and you said about 28% body fat, which leaves you with 165 pounds of lean body mass. And now you're 185 at 21%. Is that correct?

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Okay. Yes.

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And that leaves you with 146 pounds of lean body mass.

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So about 20 pounds of lean body mass loss based off of this,

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give or take, right, because you're using electronic impedance. Now, during that period,

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and I'm asking this because it's going to help me give you advice moving forward, like how we're going to, and how we're going to move forward without rebounding, which is the fear. The fear is, you know, you go off this peptide and old, you know, old patterns start to, you know, reemerge. During that period of time, were you, you were lifting still? So you said you were still training, correct? Yes.

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Okay.

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But way less.

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Okay, way less.

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Okay, so tell me about that. What were you doing before and then what were you doing during? And why did you lift less? Was it the energy? Was your energy different?

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Well, so prior to starting it, I just attended cross-fit classes.

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I had done the Strongman stuff a few months previous with another friend of mine, a trainer outside of the CrossFit ORG group I go to.

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But I wasn't doing that when I started the Treseppatite PRODUCT. I just was going to CrossFit ORG. Okay.

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And it very early on became apparent that that intensity was not going to work.

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Okay. So it was an appropriate scale back then. Yeah.

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So I scaled back the intensity basically. That was smart.

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And the actual weights too.

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Like I don't go into to the gym and say, oh, I'm going to PR today or I'm going to, I'm going to lift, you know, the heaviest weight during this workout.

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I just, I can't keep up.

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I don't want to do that.

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I don't want to feel like I'm going to barf at the end.

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Now, during the period when you're on, because it was an eight month period.

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So while you were on the trezepotide, did you have any, I guess, discovery into why it was so challenging before with food? Were there any issues tied to overeating for you that you were able to identify now that the urge to overeat was taken away from the treaspetite? Like, was there any processes or behavior, were you know, kind of self-reflection during that period? Or was it just, I'm just eating less? So I,

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I, I feel like I went into it, I feel like I went into it with my eyes wide open. I did as much research as I could do, which,as you know, there's not a whole ton of stuff out there

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because it's so new for the public.

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So I would suspect that I was over training and under eating. I didn't start listening to y'all's podcast until I was already in this process. But definitely, you know, I probably was eating. A big day for me was 1,500 calories. And I would gain weight. And I was going to CrossFit, you know, four days a week.So going into this process, I intentionally scaled that back. Obviously, the calories went down because I can't eat that much. But I definitely became more aware of what foods I was eating and what foods made me feel a certain way.

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So I don't, I didn't really have an overeating problem.

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I think that, I mean, I would make poor alcohol choices on the weekends and I definitely like my ice cream at night, that kind of stuff.

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So that all went away. And I'm hoping that habits, so that those habits don't come back. at night, that kind of stuff. So that all went away.

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And I'm hoping that habits,

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so that those habits don't come back.

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Yeah, that's great.

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Okay, so that's interesting. So the tersepotite effect, your alcohol consumption as well?

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Drastically, yes.

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Interesting. It's so wild.

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That's interesting.

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So, okay, so, all right,

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so now I have some more information. I think I know what direction.

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So because of the lean body mass loss and because of the potential for just general appetite now to go up. Okay. But now that you're off the GLP 1, appetite might go up. I would treat this like a reverse, like I would do a reverse diet. I would do traditional strength training two or three days a week, full body.

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MAPS andabolic PRODUCT. Yeah, MAPS andabolic would be a great program. I would,

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I would hit my protein targets. So aim for grams of protein,

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you know, one gram per pound of target body weight, whatever that is for you. So if you like where you're at, then try and stay within the 160, 185 grams and be very consistent.If you need to supplement, do so, but try and get it from whole natural foods. And then focus on getting stronger in the gym. And what we should see is a metabolism boost with some lean body mass gain and some additional fat loss from the metabolism boosting. Now, if we don't structure it that way, what may happen, and I don't know because I don'thave a ton of experience with people coming off GLP1s, what may happen is the old pattern start to reemerge when you take this this intervention away so i think if we structure it in the way that i'm saying and stay try to stay away aware of what's going on but what we may get is this nice lean body mass build metabolism boost and a nice fat loss muscle gain kind of transfer if you don't structure it um i'd be afraid that the oldpatterns may reemerge. Now, what's interesting is my conversations with like Dr. Seeds PERSON, who's one of the lead researchers in this field, says that it tends to rewire the brain. So it's not as simple as behaviors just coming back. I am skeptical with that because I know how behaviors, I think, aren't just rooted in brain structure. I think it's more complex than that. So I don't know.I don't have a ton of experience, but if I were you, I would structure it in this way. And then the one thing that I would stay very strict on would be the alcohol. Because that right there has no benefit.There's no benefit to that.

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Chlorically, you know, metabolically, it's just pure, you know, whatever.

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Sleep, all kinds of stuff.

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I think the answer is actually is relatively easy.

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Adhering to it is what I don't know yet personally how hard that's going to be.

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So what's going to happen when you get out, the appetite's going to come back. And as long as you resist the desire to go to the ice cream and alcohol and just make sure you make a healthy choice, I think we're going to see nothing but benefits. I think following a program like Maps and a Balk ORG, so having a nice program shift into something that's ideal for where you're at, you allowing yourself to eat more food,but just making sure you're going after the protein first and making good choices is going to be all the difference.

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Yeah.

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Because then it's going to prioritize those additional calories to building muscle.

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And you're going to be very happy with, to Salas PERSON point, it should actually build the metabolism. And we might even lean out as you gain calories.

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Yeah, your body weight might actually stay right around where it's at, but you actually

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find yourself getting leaner as you build more muscle and the metabolism starts to burn more body fat. And that's what a really good

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reverse diet would do for someone like you in your situation. And then what you should see is really good strength gains in the gym where you're seeing your major lifts really going up and you

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start to feel, you know, really good. So, but I would definitely do it structured and I would pay attention to what's going on and not allow

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yourself to, if it is indeed rewiring patterns in the brain, then you could always create those patterns back up. So stay as consistent as possible.

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And if I was you, I'd be like, like for sure, no alcohol.

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Like, I'm going to stay away from that. And the reason why I'm saying that is the terseptide took it away, which means that there's the impulsive part of the brain that was reaching for the alcohol was the part that's affected. Whereas other people who don't necessarily have an impulsive, from my experience with people, the very limited amount of people I've talked to, they're like, yeah, it doesn't really affect my alcohol intake. It's the people that I've talkedto who have some issues with alcohol where they kind of drink a little too much or whatever or use it to in ways that maybe aren't as great that find the benefit from using the gLP ones. So I would avoid that completely so that you don't move back in that direction. Right. Right.

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I would love to actually, uh, I love follow up. Yeah, I want, I want follow up with you because this is something that I'm super,

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we're all super curious about as I'm going through it and more and more people are

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handling it.

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I just had a, we had a big talk with a bunch of trainers and one of the things that we are trying to communicate to them is like, do not fall in the trap of feeling like you need to take a camp of your super

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anti-these or you think they're the best thing ever. I said, you're going to have to learn to work with these with clients and understand the value. And it's a tool and some people can hurt them. And some people can be extremely valuable to them. And so I would love to hear you, you know, circle back with us as you come off this. In fact, Rachel PERSON, are you in our private forum or no? I am, yes.

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Okay.

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Oh, yeah, follow up. Would you share with us? Yeah, I can.

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Yeah.

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Please. And I just started on like the third week of phase one.

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Oh, wonderful.

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Beautiful, beautiful.

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Now, please keep us updated.

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When you come off to tersepotide, is it a scale back process or is it cold turkey?

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How do they process that?

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The nurse practitioner that I'm working with right now, like I said earlier, I think they don't really know either, right? But they gave me the option. And she said that, you know, the other clients they worked with did better when they scaled back, that she's had clients that tried to just cold turkey it. And then they put weight back on and we're coming back within a couple of months wanting to restart. So it makes sense in my mind to kind of taper off of it.

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I think that may.

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So I'll tell you my strategy, even though I'm not here yet,

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what I, what I think I'm going to do is I think I'm going to tailor off where I'm like once every other week and then half the dose and kind of go like that. And then I actually told the guys, I think I'm going to keep a bottle or two of this always in my house. And when I know I'm going somewhere where I'm going to have a lot of temptation tobinge or grab things that are not ideal, I think I might use it. I was like,

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if I was going on a vacation for a week to Vegas GPE or going somewhere where there's

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going to be alcohol and food and I'm just not going to be a place of a lot of healthy choices,

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I think I might actually insert it, utilize it as a tool for that one week and then be off of it right after that again just to help.

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Yeah. You know, so that's kind of what I'm thinking I'm going to do.

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Yeah.

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So, but yeah, let's do this together instead of, because it is so new for all of us.

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I'd love to hear your journey. And as you give us feedback, you know, hopefully we can be there to support you going through it. Great.

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Yeah, I'm excited to build some of the muscle back. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you, Rachel PERSON. We'll see you going through it. Great. Yeah, I'm excited to build some of the muscle back. Awesome. Awesome.

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Thank you, Rachel PERSON. We'll see you in the forum.

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All right. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

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The most interesting part of all that was the

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she didn't want the alcohol. Bro, it's a trip. Yeah. That's how I feel

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about ice cream. Ice cream is my thing. It's like whatever comforts you.

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Like, you know, it's one of those things.

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It's a coping thing, right?

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It's affecting the, it seems like the hedonistic reward system.

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Whatever you reach for, that's like kind of an impulse.

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Yeah.

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So it's very interesting.

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But like anything, if you don't work with it and develop those better behaviors along with it,

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then it's going to be this,

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like,

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thing that I need all the time.

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You know what's so weird,

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though,

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Sal PERSON,

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like,

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and I know alcohol and ice cream are different,

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but in the, to your hedonistic point, is there, like, I want to believe that I had, I was using it like a coping thing,but I just love the fucking taste of ice cream.

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And it's just so enjoyable that once I get going,

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it triggers that, like, I could just keep eating this because it's so cream. And it's just so enjoyable that once I get going, it triggers that like, I could just keep eating this because it's so good.

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And there's not like, you know, I've

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journal, tried to figure, dive in. Is there something I'm trying to know? Well, it doesn't have to

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necessarily be that. It's basically what it is, because it could be that,

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but it's not in your case, but it's definitely

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that the, you, people

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develop a, a hedonistic relationship with something. Right.

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To where they can't seem to put the, the brakes on it.

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Or they go above and beyond.

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Or it's what I think, what I think, what I think.

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That's what it seems like, well, I've attached it to certain things.

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Remember I told you, there's like a formula.

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Yeah. I have figured out like, and it's actually having a great workout, having a good day, having

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great sex with my wife. And I'm like, ice cream is the fucking topper. And so that has like been like, and I love it. I enjoy it. It's an all, it's an all positive thing in my head. I think I go, well, I've worked out. So I've, I can, I can handle the extra calories. I had a great day. Wife and I just made great love. I'm going to enjoy a nice dessert afterwards. But what's wild is it's just not there. Yeah, because you don't

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have a desire for it afterwards.

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Here's a deal like, you know, most people enjoy ice cream, right? Most people can find some enjoyment from alcohol. Most people can enjoy some enjoyment from using other substances. But for some people, the GLP1s seem to take some of those things away. And I think it's people who have developed some kind of a relationship with those, those either products or activities where the hedonism of it is,

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is, like, Dopamine serotonin sort of spikes, you know, like, you know, like,

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you're just trying to think, here's like, good question for, for, for like,

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caffeine, like intake for me.

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Here's, here's, here, well, that hasn't stopped.

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So that hasn't stopped.

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That hasn't stopped or slowed down for me.

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What has tripped me out, alcohol, because I have a different relationship with alcohol.

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I don't really care for alcohol that much, but I enjoyed occasionally, socially. We went to that event. I had some drinks there. What keeps me from not doing the alcohol again is that it fills me up. And then I get like no food. And then I feel the effects of no food.No food and just alcohol makes everybody feel awful. So I could have, like I had, I think, two or three drinks that one day. But that was all my calories. And so then all of a sudden I'm like, ugh. I'm like, but alcohol for you is different, right?

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It's the ice cream.

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Yeah, I don't have, I don't like, my point was that it's interesting even how, uh, I can enjoy that.

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But I, I don't even have this.

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I really don't want to do it.

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I told you guys, I know a guy who's using it for sex addiction. So.

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Has he seen positive?

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And everybody enjoys sex.

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But some people develop a relationship with it or the, you start to move.

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It's an obsession. Yeah. Yeah. So weird. This is very, very strange and interesting. And I, I can't wait to get more information from people who come off of them and what the pitfalls are going to be like.Because there's going to be. It's very interesting. Yeah. Because there's got to be challenges.

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Never like, like, oh, the best thing we can do is to continue to educate and inform the audience as we'll go through

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these type of stories and so this will be interesting our next caller is steve from north carolina

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hey steve how we help me hey guys how are you all good what's going on good see you too

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not a lot hey i want to first thank you all for creating the program you did.

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I've been using it for about two months with Map Starter PRODUCT.

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I'm 57 years old and I've been lifting most of my life,

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just kind of programs I've thrown together.

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But I was looking for something that would help me kind of get into lifting systematically.

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It would help me have a program where I wouldn't get bored where it be a repetitive weekend, week out, twice a week type of workout.

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And this map starter really helped me help me out with that.

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So I appreciate it.

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I'm looking to do a build a lifetime of fitness and enough for a reason just so I can be around longer and have a more full life.

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And I think y'all said it best a couple of weeks ago, maybe a week ago.

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It's about freedom, the freedom to do things.

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Yep.

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So the question I have for y'all, it's actually two questions, and I appreciate you

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taking both of them, is the first is I use My Fitness Pout of Track PRODUCT calories.

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When I do that, it gives you an option, and one of the options is to add back your calories

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burn through exercise.

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So I'm starting with 2250 calories, and I've broken it down like y'all recommend. But my goal weight's 220, so 220 grams of protein, 190 grams of carb, which is less than the 200 and the fat just fills in from there at 77 grams. And should I be adding back the exercise calories, so the 500 calories or so I burn every day for exercise, should I be adding that back into my base calories?

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No, no. And the reason why I say no is just because there's such a large variance in that. And adding that variable, they're already like an estimation, right?

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And trying to estimate a weight training workout, a hike for two hours, a swim for a half hour. It just broadens how far more off you can be.

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And so the margin for error just explodes. Thank you. That's a better way I say.

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So my thing with my clients was, I just want us to track so we know. Now, you and I know consistently what our workouts look like and what we're really looking for is trends in the right direction, up or down and weight, maintaining weight, strength going up like that. But you can really start to skew it by trying to guesstimate or allowing the thing, the app to guesstimate how many calories your, your workout burn. And so I don't, I recommend to just put the nutrients in and get the macros. So we have an idea. And then you and I would go like, okay, based off of what I've been seeing, when I eatthis many calories, my workouts are relatively the same and activities relatively the same. I like to track steps too, because I think steps give you an idea of if it's a regular week. Like, obviously, if you and I average 5,000 steps a week, and then all of a sudden you have this crazy week where you're traveling and you're walking all over, you know, say Japan or somewhere and you take 15,000.Now, that would obviously make a difference in your calorie burn. But if we're relatively the same stepwise, eating wise, that should be enough for us. And you do the same kind of workouts to get a pretty good guesstimation

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if we're moving the right direction. So that would be my advice to that one. In other words, Steve PERSON, just listen, watch what happens to your body and adjust your calories from there. Don't, don't, don't base it off the estimation. So is 2250 the right amount for me?

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I don't know. You got to follow it for a while and see how you feel. What's your goal? Is your

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goal weight loss, weight gain, performance improvements?

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Cut weight loss.

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Okay.

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I mean, I'm already getting stronger. I can feel it. I mean, after two months of this, after two months of stronger, I'm already feeling a lot stronger.

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Oh, that's a good sign. Yeah, I would watch the scale and performance, your performance in the gym. If the scale's moving down at a nice, slow, even pace, then you're probably at the right calories and your performance is doing good. You're probably at the right calorie. At the beginning,

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Steve PERSON, I always tell my clients, we are better off seeing the scale stay the same and getting stronger than we are seeing a really fast dropping weight. A really fast dropping weight means you're

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cutting too many. Yeah. And so, yeah, if you're kind of, you know, stay in the same way or slowly

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dropping and you're actually feeling good in the gym, and that's a good sign that you're in that goldilocks zone of you're probably building a little bit of muscle. You're probably burning a little bit of body fat. And then it's just the mental discipline of kind of staying there for a while and then not really adjusting until you absolutely need to.

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Right. And one other question, please, beginner question, I guess.

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The way that I've been doing this is I'll start out with the priming, and I'll take the

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priming, and I'll do go through each of the three, and then I'll go back through each of

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the three. And that's the same thing with the exercises. So if I'm doing like the front loaded squats, I'll go do one of those, then the bent over row, then the Arnold PERSON pressed and the lunge, and I'll go back and start over and do those.

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Is that the correct order or should I do, should I do two too? Yeah, you do the sets of each exercise each. So front squats, you would do two sets or three sets of that first. Then you move to the next exercise.

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There's a reason for that, too.

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It's not like a circuit. There's a reason for. Oh, yeah, I know you all have a reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah.. There's a reason for that too. It's not like a circuit. There's a reason for-

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's definitely a reason for that.

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I mean, you want, when we're, specifically when we're strength training to build muscle, you staying with that exercise gives the body the C&S an ability to really adapt to the movement and get the biggest bang for your buck of the movement. If you go from one exercise to the next,what happens is now the body's like, oh, trying to figure out this exercise before you're reaping the max benefits. You're also better at teaching that movement. Yeah, and you go from one exercise to the next, what happens is now the body's like, oh, trying to figure out this exercise before you're reaping the max benefits.

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You're also, you're just better at teaching that movement.

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Yeah, and you also tend to fatigue stabilizer muscles or muscles you'll want for compound lifts, you know, like if I'm doing a barbell row and then I just did curls, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to make my ability to do the, the barbell row. I'm going to reduce my ability to do it effectively because I fatigue my biceps, which isn't necessarily, actually, for most people, not a good idea.So do the sets of each exercise and then move in the next one. Great.

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Thank you all so much again. I really appreciate it. For my next, for my next, I've already picked up Map Prime and Maps Anabolic. Perfect.

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Yeah. The direction I was heading next. Oh,

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parabolic's perfect follow up.

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Are you,

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uh, Steve PERSON, are you in our forum? I am not.

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I'm going to have Doug PERSON put you on our forum so we can keep an eye on you and you can have more questions like this as you go through the process. Just hit us up in there. Thanks.

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I really appreciate it, guys. Thank you all.

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You got it, Steve PERSON.

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All right,

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man.

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You all have a good one.

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You too.

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Good job.

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That's, that's cool. So he's, he'd worked out before for a while and they went to Map Starter PRODUCT.

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And that just go, and he's getting great results. And that just goes to show like, map starter is not just for complete beginners.

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It's for people who've never really followed a well-programmed workout to get your body moving the right way. Because now from starting goes to Maps out of Ball PRODUCT. Always about the right dose.

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That's right. And that's the thing is we can just in our own mind create this idea that we need to go so intense.

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And this is what I used to do. And, you know, whatever's appropriate for you right now is the best recipe.

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I mean, I love hearing.

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You can tell that he's listening to a lot of episodes.

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Yeah, you know, nodding his head before I can finish the advice and something like, yeah, yeah, no, I know.

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I know.

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I know you can say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, as far as, you know, trying to replace calories with activity, your body adapts to exercise and learns how to burn less calories while doing that exercise, number one. And you've said it best, Adam PERSON, the margin for error at figuring out your caloric intake, you just took that margin and just blew it way the heck up.

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Yeah.

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Because now you're trying to calculate how many calories you burn, which nobody, there's no really accurate way to figure it out. Oh, yeah. It's already, that's a difficult thing to already kind of estimate it. It's funny because these apps, they keep getting more sophisticated and can attach to different other tools and like,

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you know, because it's a competitive market and, you know, they can say they do all these things. But the truth is the most valuable thing these things do is just a place that finds the food

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and estimates the calories for you. Like that right there is just all you need from it. And then having a tool that track the kind of your steps. So you have an idea of what a normal day or week of movement looks like. Those are the two big rocks when it comes to kind of figuring out where's my metabolism and where

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do I need to go from there. Our next caller is Morgan from Minnesota GPE. Hi, Morgan PERSON. How can we help you?

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Hello, all right, guys.

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We're good, good. Good, good. Are you?

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Good, good.

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So I had sent in a question in the beginning and I kind of wanted to rephrase it a little bit if that's okay.

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Yeah, you can ask whatever you want.

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So my beginning question was how strongly do genetics play a role in our physiques? But I kind of wanted to rephrase it into like, how do you know you're at like a healthy body type, you know, like not talking just body fat percentage, but just overall you're healthy in general. Ooh, good question.

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Very good question. Well, that's going to go back to your relationship with exercise and nutrition and your body.

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So, yeah, are you eating in a way that feels nourishing or does it feel stressful and controlled? Do you exercise in a way to where you care for yourself and you're going in and you're accurate with that or does it feel like you're forcing something to happen or running from something

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or punishing yourself? And then how is the rest of your life? Because exercise and diet are two

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factors, but then there's relationships with people, relationships with the world, you know,

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that kind of stuff, spiritual practice. So it's a very simple yet very complex question that you're asking. Now truth, truth be told, I have met very, very few people who are just great and all of that.

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It's a journey and it waxes and wanes and we're human and this is a

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challenge for everybody, especially fitness professionals.

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Well, and the range, you know, not to completely tie the body fat percentage, but using that as kind of somewhat of a metric to measure, are we healthy or not?Like, it's so wide.

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Like, you could be a, you could be a female and be as low as, you know, 13 to 15% and

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as high as, you know, 28, 29% and be considered healthy in that range.

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Yeah.

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That's a huge range and will look very different on your body.

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You know, I'm saying?

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Your body will look very different.

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And so. Where you're carrying it, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So a lot of that has to do with, you know, how you're performing, your energy, how it's affecting all the other aspects of your life. Like, you know, if you're training and dieting and you're at a body fat percentage, who

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cares what in that number is, but you feel, like, for example, right now, I feel some of the healthiest I've ever been my life. By no means am I even closer to the most jacked I've ever been. Like, I've looked to the other, somebody else would laugh at that, go like, yeah, right now, I feel some of the healthiest I've ever been my life. By no means am I even closer to the most jacked I've ever been. Like I've looked to the other. Somebody else would laugh at that go like, yeah, right. I've seen you look like this on state.But it's like I wasn't my healthiest there. I looked to other people like the most jacked and healthy. But no, no, no, no. I have a way better balance in relationship with exercise food and family and mobility and all this other stuff. And so, yeah, there's a lot that goes into that.

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I think, yeah, you got a factor in mood. You got to factor in, like, other factors with skin hair, like the way your, your attitude, like your drive, like so many other things, too, that you can kind of put in there. It's not physically based as far as, like, your metrics. So, again, this is is this is something too. I think a lot of times when we meet somebody in person,we can tell whether or not, you know, how healthy they are based off of like their interactions with other people and, you know,

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how they look in their eyes and, and, you know, things like that that aren't really as obvious to most people. Morgan PERSON, how long have you been exercising for consistently?

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Consistently like six years.

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So I, yeah, I love the fact of like before my trip for Mexico GPE, I got super lean, loved it.

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And now I guess I'm just at a place where I'm like kind of what's the point? I'm just kind of like, because I'm not, there's no goal really. It's just kind of like we're just going to the gym to go to the gym. And that's kind of what I love to do.

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But that's that's a great, that's a great place to be.

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Don't fall.

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So there's nothing wrong with goals. There's nothing wrong with trying to hit goals. But that should not be ultimately. And you're young. So as you continue doing this, you'll, you'll start to figure this out. But if you fall in love with always having to have a goal, then you'll find yourself inthis place where you're like, well, I enjoy doing it, but I don't have a goal, so I feel kind of lost.

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The, the, you know, I heard, I heard somebody say this last, a couple weeks ago. I thought this was brilliant. You know, exercising, trying to eat, right? It's a sacrifice. You're sacrificing your presence, your present enjoyment for the future self, right? So right now I'm doing these hard things to benefit the future me.But the ultimate place to be is when the present and the future come together. So now I'm doing this for its enjoyment. So I'm exercising because I truly enjoy it and it's joyful for me. I eat healthy because I feel joy while I care for myself. And then of course that benefits me now, but it also benefits me in the future. And then here's a little tip where you know if you're healthier or not when you're consistent. The most extreme versions of yourself, the strongest,the fastest, the leanest, typically is not the healthiest. So for people who are really consistent with their fitness, this is now fitness fanatics, the most, the most, the strongest, the most, the most, the fastest, the leanest, typically is not the healthiest. So for people who are really consistent with their fitness, this is now fitness fanatics, the most jacked version of yourself, the most whatever impressive looking on social media, probably wasn't the healthiest because it probably was the least balanced.Right, exactly.

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I think that's kind of where I'm struggling with the extremes of, now I'm just kind of in the media in there.

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Yeah, you know, it's almost like being in a relationship, you know, sometimes people only feel happy when they're in tons of drama, right? When they're with somebody and they're like, oh, things are kind of good and peaceful. I'm bored. I feel like we need you to be fighting or, yeah.

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So that's similar with exercise. Like if you find, and you want to revisit that, you want to visit that, yeah. So that's, that's similar with exercise. Like if you find, and you want to revisit that, you want to visit that, right? So it's like,

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okay, if I'm not extreme and it feels boring, why does this feel boring? Let me think about that for a second. Maybe work on this relationship I have with exercise. I do have a tip to get to

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that place that Sal PERSON's talking about where the future you and the present you kind of get aligned and you're enjoying the process. One of the things that's always helped me through that and the present you kind of get aligned and you're enjoying the process. One of the things that's always helped me through that, and it's also kind of in line with you talking about how when you have a goal, you tend to be, okay,I've got this goal to be in Vegas GPE or where I'm going. And so I'm focused on these things is to do workouts that are unique and different to you. Like learning a new, like I love to take somebody who trains a traditional way all the time and then switching them to one of our programs that is so different. And so then you get kind of like into the like, oh, learning a new movement that's benefiting you. It's making you stronger indifferent ways that you weren't. It's working muscles that you haven't really attached. You get to watch yourself go from really weak the first time you do it to getting stronger kind of week over week. That's a very enjoy. It's a really fun. It's like learning a new skill. You know, so I don't know what your current,I see you work out six days a week. Have you ran any of our maps programs yet? No,

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I am not sure about anabolic or kind of power lift. I think power lift would be cool to see the growth, but also is anabolic more like six days a week kind of?

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No, no.

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No, it's three days a week.

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No, but power lift is great if you were a really aesthetic focus before because it just places it straight, you know.

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Completely different shit. Yeah, just on strength. I'm going to push you there. Anytime one of our female clients is even considering power lift, I love to push them in that direction. I think there's so much value. Oh, yeah, you should do power lift. You look, yeah, is even considering power lift. I love to push them in that direction. I think there's so much value. Oh, yeah, you should do power lift.Yeah, yeah, do power lift.

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Is it six days or five days?

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Five, I think. Five.

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Okay.

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And the key to power lift is it's going to be interesting as you go through this process is there's going to be workouts where you feel like you can add more weight to the bar or do more. Follow it the way it's laid out. Trust the process.

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Yeah, it's all based off percentages. The programming is really great.

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Yes. It is designed. When you, at the end of that program, you're going to be stronger than you've ever been. Where people mess it up is in the middle of it. They're like, oh, I could do more. So they think they should do more.And that does not benefit their end results. Follow it the way it's laid out. Trust the process and enjoy it. Sounds good.

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Do I keep steps kind of the same? Yeah. I don't do cardio now, so.

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Oh, yeah, you're doing it. You're doing great. Yeah, yeah. Keep everything else the same.

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Follow the way the program's laid out. I mean, we just saw a picture of you. You look like you're in a very healthy, balanced place nutritionally. I mean, I'd even keep, listen to your body. What you might notice is you might, your appetite might kick up a little bit.

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I want to increase calories.

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Yeah. And if it does, listen to it, feed it, make good choices, you know, lead with protein first like we always talk about. And I think you're going to do great.

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I was listening to the recent podcast. I think I forgot who's on the new Chfizepotide PRODUCT or.

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That's me. That's me.

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Yeah. Yes. Yes. And you're like not eating to stuff yourself anymore. Yeah. Yeah. The

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verdict is not out on who and how I would recommend this to a lot of people. It's pretty wild what I'm noticing as far as what I can

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tell you for sure, I'm losing muscle too. So it's not like, yeah, for somebody who wants to have muscle and Adam PERSON would not be somebody

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that we would recommend take it.

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Yeah.

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No, I don't want to do it.

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I just, I'm curious if you think like stuffing your face because my calories are really low.

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I can't eat like I eat like 2,000 to 2200.

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Yeah.

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But I just like you can't eat more throughout the day.

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And I don't feel like it's healthy.

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I think you're, I think you're fine.

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We just saw a picture of you.

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I see your, your, your, your five,

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10.

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You look fit and healthy.

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Yeah, you look fit and healthy. You look really at a really good place.

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And you're not doing cardio.

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You're just strength training.

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I think you're in a great place.

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Especially if you feel satisfied. You don't feel like you're stuffing. You don't feel like you're starving.

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You're in a nice,

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you're just providing you new stimulus with this new program.

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Yeah. Yeah. If your, if your sleep is good, you're,. You're in a nice balance. You're just providing you new stimulus with this new program. Yeah.

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You'll have a lot of.

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If your sleep is good, if you have a good, a healthy menstrual cycle, if you feel energized throughout the day, focused, you don't have brain fog. Like, you're fine.

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You're good. Cool.

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Awesome.

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Doug PERSON will send over a power lift and stay in touch with us. Let us know how the process goes. Yeah. Sounds good. I will. Thanks, guys. Let us know how the process goes. Yeah. Sounds good. I will.

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Thanks, guys. You got it.

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Thanks, Morgan PERSON. Great. Great question.

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Yeah. Great question and a great place.

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She looks. Good headspace. Yeah. Yeah.

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We tend to over question everybody, right? Am I going in the right direction?

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What's going on? And do I need to do this, that, the other. And that over questioning tends to happen when things are going well.

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Yeah. You know what I mean? Especially because, yeah, you might be unfamiliar with how, you know, why, you know, you feel that way.

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I feel good, but why?

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You're doing good.

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Our next caller is Kyle from Oregon GPE.

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Hi, Kyle PERSON.

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How can we help you? Hi.

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It's so nice to meet you guys. I've been sipping on chamomile tea trying to calm down.

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Awesome. Okay. So I have actually been a listener for like six years. So this is really crazy.

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That's awesome. I'm really excited. Thank you. Yeah. So I have my question here. I just added some context to it and a little bit of an update and some background.

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So I will just go ahead and read it.

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Both my chiropractor and physical therapist have told me I might be obsessed with achieving symmetry, both visually and in movement. I respect both of them and they've helped me so much, but I'd like to tell them what you guys think about it. In the last couple years, I've been in and out of Cairo GPE and PT care as a result of random injuries. It seemed when I was about done with the care for one injury, another injury would pop up. And it's been really frustrating to always be fixing something.I think the reason why both of them might think that I'm hyper-focused on this is I would just report back each week, you know, how the injury is doing and how the exercises helped. But also it would like reveal other areas of weakness or maybe I gained new connection to the muscles, just not even working on the area, not even in the area that I was working on. So, but in addition to that, I would also talk to them about how my right elbow doesn't straighten. My upper right leg seems to be turned in, making my jeans bit weird on that side. And I've also shared something that has like haunted me for years.A long time ago, my mother-in-law had said she could tell who I was from across a football field because of the way I was walking. And so I just kind of thought, oh gosh, I must have a really weird gait. So both my Cairo GPE and physical therapist probably felt like they were spinning their wheels with me, and so did I. In the last two years,I've ran anabolic twice, and I've ran symmetry three times. All the time in between there, I would be just working on rehabbing whatever injury had come up. Most recently, though, I finished a full round of symmetry and decided I would give performance to try. And so far, it's been really helping with some issues in my SI joint on my right side, my right glutes and my right foot and ankle. And I think the rotational work has really unlocked some muscles that were sleeping.I still have some pain, but it's getting so much better. And specifically, I can still feel a difference on how my right foot is hitting the floor while, you know, walking, standing, and lifting. So I've had imbalance on my right side for years. Now I'm realizing this. I never knew any of this until I started listening to you guys. So what I wanted to know, is it a good plan to incorporate symmetry between each new program?

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Yes. So, for example,

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after performance, should I do symmetry? Again, and then eventually what I would like to do is get to where I can add some weight to the bar. And like I had bought power. Is it power? What is it called? Power lift? Yeah, power lift a long time ago. And I would like to be able to do something like that because I'd like to bench 135, squat 185. Those are both things. I don't think I quite got to 135 in high school, but I was close to it. And if I have those numbers completely wrong, I still feel like this is attainable.

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But I don't feel

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comfortable increasing my weight a lot until I can get these imbalances solved. And sometimes I feel like I'm trying to solve something that's not solvable. And just working on strength is really important to me because I want to get away from chasing aesthetics. And until 2020, I have been doing that since I was 15. And I just want to be a good example to people in my life who are still stuck in that mindset. And I'm hoping you can help.

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Thank you. All right. So I need more information from your, in regards to chiropractor and PT. What is their advice after they tell you you're obsessed or over obsessed with achieving symmetrical balance? What do they tell you to do after that?

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I don't, I don't recall anything specific. Like they were saying it more like in a tongue and cheek, you know, like, are you too obsessed about this? So they didn't really offer like a solution to it. I mean, I will say like, I will walk around the house doing stuff and I'm like, how is my right foot feeling right?Do I need to stop and do some ankle stuff right?

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I love that. That's like a trainer mine right.

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It is, but that's not necessarily a good thing. So one of the characteristics of anxiety or, you know, just is that that ruminating self-awareness, the constant thought of myself and what's happening?

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How do I feel? And what's going on? And so if that's happening to you throughout the day, then this is becoming more of a stress than a benefit. Okay. So the reason why I asked you what their advice was is because that would have given me more information, help me help direct where I would want to go with you. If you have repeated injuries, typically, and I know you're following our programming, but typically what thatmeans is you're either over-training, both so what we probably what we may want to do is scale back on the intensity focus a little bit on giving your body more rest and recovery because repeated injuries can definitely come from imbalances they could definitely come from you know one side moving differently in the other side but also, it comes from you're just doing too much.

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You might be doing too much if you're repeated. Because you've ran our program so many times. I think you're running them right. I don't watch you doing the workout, so maybe doing the exercises wrong. But because you've been working out for so long, listening to the podcast, you're working with a PT.They know movement. Chiropractors sometimes no movement really well. You're probably doing too much. You're probably either going too hard or applying yourself too much.

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What are these injuries?

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Like what do they consist of? Oh, yeah.

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Well, the first one I hear Adam PERSON talk about every once in a while. It wasn't a bag of dog food that I had lifted, but it was a bag that I had gotten out of the back of my car. And I just had twisted it around. And actually it was my left shoulder that I heard there. So the back of my car and I just had twisted around and her actually was my left shoulder that I heard there. So that was my first round. Then it was, I sprained my wristgolfing and which I didn't know I could have such an injury doing such a calm sport. And then the other

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one was I tore my hamstring, um, uh, playing beach volleyball on vacation.

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Like, it wasn't even competitive stuff.

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Like, it was just for fun.

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Do you ever take time off?

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Are you, like, super consistent for years with your workouts?

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I would love to say that I am super consistent all the time.

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This, in the past, like, three months is probably the most consistent that I've been in a couple years.

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So I think, well, one thing that I'm doing a little differently this time around that I did during Cemetery EVENT is I really tracked my protein and just my calories, just making sure that I'm eating

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enough, getting enough protein.

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And I did notice that I got quite a bit more strength gain in during symmetry. I think at one point I was frustrated that it was not, I felt like it wasn't getting any results from symmetry, but I don't think I was dialed in on protein at that time or maybe even calories.

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I mean, so, Sal PERSON, you're kind of alluding to potential like over-training, over-usage stuff like that.

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I think it's more you're starting to finally kind of dialed all in.

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We're just getting there right now.

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Like the idea of you going between symmetry and performance, I love that.

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And I think you're already seeing the benefits of three months of consistency of like following that plan. The fact that you're going after.

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And also to address the obsession with, you know, using your right hand. Like if it's, if it's not causing stress, I like that. If it's, if you're, if it's causing stress and it's like a negative thing where you let go, oh my God, and you, and you're hard on yourself, that's not a good thing.A healthy thing to self point. But man, I mean, I just flew in a plane. When I'm sitting in a plane, I recognize that I'm sashes on. Then all of a sudden you'll see me sit up and retract my shoulders. If I walk up a step certain way, I notice if I'm always putting my weight and pressure on my, like, that's just my trainer brain.I'm not stressing about it. I'm like aware of it. And so I try and counter it. So how you feel about that, I think is most important. If it's causing stress, not healthy to sell.

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Yeah, because we did. To that point, too, I do think you diving into performance and going in these multi-planner type movements where you're getting more familiar in end range positions in rotational situations, like from what you described, like some of these are probably abrupt, you know, explosive type movements. Your body's just reacting, maybe even overreacting because we're not training that. It's notshowing up in what you're doing in the gym. So to lean further into that, I think would be massively beneficial, especially the mobility days.

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Yeah, just a little discernment too. It's like if you've ever caught yourself talking to somebody and then thinking about how you're coming across while you're talking to that person,

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that would be too much self-awareness. Right? So that's what I'm talking about. Like, if you find yourself, like, oh, my, you know, thinking about yourself a lot while you're moving and walking and wearing clothes and you mentioned how your dreams felt and, like, ruminating a little bit, then yeah, there might be a little too much self-awareness,which will actually impede on progress because, like, try walking and thinking about walking while you're walking. You're going to walk weird.

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Like, that's just what happens. It's supposed to be a natural movement. Like right now, like think about blinking or breathing. All of a sudden, you're breathing manually and it's very awkward. So that's where it could become a little bit like, uh-oh, I might be a little obsessive. Now, the reason why I ask you about your consistency is because there's two, with the repeated injuries,what I've seen with people is either A, they overdo it too consistently, too long, they never take time off, or they stop and start, and when they start, they go real hard, they go too hard all at once. How is, are you, do you think you're overlying intensity?

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Do you think you're working out appropriately? Like, how do you feel post-workout? Are you really sore? Do you feel like you beat yourself up? How's your sleep?

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Because this will tell me a little bit more. I do try to, I try to stay pretty aware of that just because I've been listening to you guys for so long. I feel like I'm pretty energized after my workouts.

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Now I'm kind of like tracking my sleep. Like how is my sleep affected? I did phase two yesterday. I started phase two of

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performance yesterday. And that actually was a lot for me. And I saw that I didn't, I don't know if this is normal, but I didn't get as much deep sleep last night, for example. And so I just think

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maybe I need to bring the intensity down a little bit. Yes, definitely. Yeah. And sometimes,

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though, when I'm doing the mobility work on the in-between days, those are actually pretty taxing. They're way more taxing than I thought they would be. And so I actually wasn't sure. Am I supposed to do all of the things listed or just take a few of the exercise

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in those mobility session?

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You could take just a few.

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Especially if you feel it's very tax.

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Definitely listen to your body.

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I would cut the volume of performance down by a third.

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So take all the sets, cut them down by a third.

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If you still notice a negative effect on your...

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Because sleep will be the first thing to tell you.

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I'm glad you're tracking it.

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It'll be the first thing to tell you if you did too much.

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And if you see a reduction in deep sleep, that is for sure a red flag. I went a little too hard. So cut everything down by a third. And then if that doesn't do it, cut the intensity also way down.

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And that should do it. Yeah. And this also highlights the unfamiliarity with a lot of these like

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movements in your joint expression. Like so take your time with that. But I would almost run it again,

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you know, because this is such a novel stimulus for you,

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and this shouldn't be that taxing for you, the mobility stuff. It's just that your body is going to like misuse its energy because it's unfamiliar with that process. So to kind of like repeat it and

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get better at it and more efficient with it, you're going to notice a massive benefit.

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And the way I would gauge if I'm on the right

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track or not is not night by night sleep. I would look at my sleep for a week, right? So, like, Sal PERSON just gave you a recommendation to take one third out. So basically you take one set of every exercise out. Now, don't look at just tomorrow's night's sleep because it stays workout. Look at what your

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total average for the week of like sleep score was. And did that move it in the right direction?

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If it moved in the right direction, If it moved in the right direction,

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you probably moved in the right direction of intensity, right? Same thing goes with the mobility thing.

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Change one or two variables. Give yourself a week or two of consistency, then score yourself off of what you see the average is.

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And then let that be more of a guideline. Because there's so many variables that can also affect sleep. I wouldn't want you to do the right thing on intensity, but then you also, you know, something else happens, stressful happen.

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And then that's really what mess up to sleep or you watch TV in bed late. So give yourself a good solid week or two of manipulating one of these variables and then score it based off of that. You referred back to high school. Were you an athlete in high school? What's your background?

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No, I was not all. I'm like a farm girl.

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I had horses. I just had to carry like heavy water buckets. And I was like, I thought back.

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I was like, I could not believe I could do that when I was in high school. Like we were my gym partner,

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you know, or my weights partner. We were like the strong girls in the class. I met a few four. And so now I'm just like after that, then the whole, you know, it was the 90s.

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So then it was aerobics and step aerobics.

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So then I just went down that. And that's all I did until like 2019, really.

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So until I started listening to you guys. Yeah. So I feel like I could get back there. I hope.

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But I also wrote horses and everything is just always in front of me. I've never done anything rotational. Yeah. And so it just felt like performance might be the best, the best option. It is.

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It is. I love. Yeah. Performance. I think you're on the right track with that goal. I think it's really just

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trying to figure out maybe the intensity and what you're applying and the balance there.

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I think those are a great option for you.

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But string of injuries, one after another, when you're finding one injury, another injury,

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and they don't seem to be connected, hamstring, wrist, and whatever, typically means,

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typically means undersleeping, overtraining, under-eating, or all three combined.

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It typically means that, not always, but typically.

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Yeah.

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I'm really dialed it.

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I think, like, the protein thing has really helped.

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Yep.

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Good.

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So, I mean, one major thing, but.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, I can't wait to see how everything works out for you.

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Yeah, we will see how it goes.

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Awesome.

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Stay in touch.

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Let us know, Kyle PERSON.

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Please.

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All right.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Bye.

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I dig the, uh, the decor vibe. Oh, yeah much. Thank you. Okay. Bye. I dig the decor vibe.

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Oh, yeah.

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Total Adam PERSON thing to say.

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I was going to tell her.

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I was like, well, we were talking about it.

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Who decorated your house?

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What if it was one of those backs?

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You know, those Zoom PRODUCT screens?

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Oh, yeah.

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Not real. Yeah, you know, the, the, usually, and this is just for trainers listening, if you, if you have a client, and the client says, these three people that I know that I work with who are professionals, experts, all say the same thing.

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Usually there's some commonality area.

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That's why I ask like, what else are they saying?

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And she doesn't remember.

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But I wonder if the chiropractor and PT, you're telling her, you're probably overtrained. Yeah, they might be telling her.

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Yeah, that's why I asked that because if it's both people, then there may be some truth there as to what's going on.

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I also think we're still early on in like her really kind of figuring this all out.

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Like I think she's starting to piece things together. Like she started to do performance. It's like, oh, wow, I really noticed this rotation. And two of those injuries are rotational things. The wrist and shoulder issue are both.

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She lacked that rotation of strength and stability.

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Yeah. And the hamstring could also have been tied to that also with just hip stability and strength

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and just did something explosive.

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So her just doing some symmetry and performance consistently, you know, I bet she runs that back to back a couple times should see a dramatic improvement in that. And then also taking your advice of potentially scaling back the intensity on it.

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