2323: The Cardiovascular Benefits of Weightlifting, Tips for Losing Stubborn Body Fat, the Muscle Building Benefits of Lunges & More

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind Pump ORG. Mind Pump ORG with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews PERSON.

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You just found the most downloaded fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump ORG. Right? In today's episode, we answered listeners questions. But this was after the intro portion. That was 56 minutes long today.That's where we talk about current events, our lives, family stuff, studies. A lot of cool stuff. By the way, you can check the show notes for timestamps if you want to skip around your favorite parts. Also, if you want to ask us a questionthat we can pick from for episodes like this one, go to Mind Pump Media ORG. That's where you could do it. Also, this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Organify PRODUCT. They make organic supplements for health, wellness, and performance. Today, we talked abouttheir Shilajit PRODUCT gummies. They taste amazing, but Shilajit has some incredible proven benefits, like raising testosterone, improving cognitive performance, energy, vigor, helping with sleep. I'm not making this up. These are all backed by studies. Go check them out. Go to Organify.com. That's or G-A-N-I-F-I-I-com forward slash mind pump. Use the code mindpump, get 20% off. This episode is also brought to by Brain.fm. These are sounds that are engineered to induce different states of mind. This is real stuff. Get yourself a 30-day trial for free. So you can listen to music or sounds that will induce a state of focus or a state of mind. This is real stuff. Get yourself a 30-day trial for free. So you can listen to musicor sounds that will induce a state of focus or a state of meditation or sleep. It really works. Try it for free for 30 days. You'll see for yourself. Go to brain.fm. Forward slash Mind Pump. Also, this month's sale, maps anywhere and maps hit, both 50% off. If you're interested, go to Maps Fitnessproducts.com and then use the code April 50 for the discount. All right, here comes a show. They often say getting fit and healthy is a sacrifice.And that's true, but there's levels to this. Let's talk about this for a second. Sacrifice means you sacrifice the present you for the future you. So the present you wants to enjoy this tasty treat, but you sacrifice that enjoyment for the future you, who you want to be more healthy and happier.But the next level is even better. When you get to the next level, the sacrifice no longer exists because you're not sacrificing the present you for the future you when you actually enjoy what you're doing. In other words, not eating the tasty treator exercising is no longer a sacrifice because you enjoy it for the sake of doing it. In other words, both the present you and the future you benefit. That's the level you can reach when you do this the right way and you stay consistent. So look forward to that.At some point, no longer feels like a sacrifice. It's just something you enjoy doing. I like forward to that. At some point, no longer feels like a sacrifice. It's just something you enjoy doing. I like to paint that picture because I want people to know what is at the end of the tunnel. If they pursue this and they're consistent and they do this the right way. And it's a journey and you stumble and you'll go backwards. But if you do this long enough, you do this the right way, at some point you become those membersthat we would run into the gym

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who were 50s and 60s. We've been working out for 20, 30 years. And they just love doing it. It's not a sacrifice anymore to wake up early go to the gym to eat right. Well, the initial thought most people have.It's like, I'm missing out. Right. Like, I'm not. And you are at first. You are at first until you realize the true benefit. And then are at first. You are at first until you realize the true benefit.And then you lean into enjoying it, the process of it. That's definitely something that you have to put reps into in order to feel.

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Yes. Do you think that's considered or is the same as like just practicing delayed gratification, just in general?

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Yeah, I think that's a good question, Adam PERSON. I think that's true for anything that has long-term benefit, right?

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Right.

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I think you learn that practice, so you develop that as a skill. Because you'll find in populations of people that tend to be successful in other areas of life, that they tend to also find success in, like, successful entrepreneurs, for example, are more likely to exercise regularly than like the average person. And I have to believe that the skills that are requiredto be an entrepreneur.

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Yeah, or to succeed as an entrepreneur,

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they carry over, right? And we've talked about this, I don't know how many times where fitness,

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if you pursue it the right way, is like a vehicle for personal growth. It's like all these lessons you learn, they start to bleed over.

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Almost all avenues of success require that, right? Yep. I mean, it's going to require some level of sacrifice, dedication and delaying the fact that you're going to get the payout, right? But that's,I guess it's the back belt. Yeah,

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blah, blah, blah.

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Level is when you enjoy even going through the journey of that to get to that.

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Right. You think part of that is, too, is just because you've practiced this delayed gratification in so many avenues of your life that you understand that this is the formula. This is the formula that applies to so many things. Therefore, I can start to appreciate the hard work or the sacrifice because I know that it will result in this better

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version of myself, a better life, a healthier life, a more productive life, a better, like, all these things that will come with that. I really do think it is, it's the same thing. And I think it, because I think about this a lot with Max PERSON, right? Like, it's hard when he's that young. Like, I'm not having these deep philosophical conversations. And so how can I do little things that start to exercise that muscle? Yeah.To teach him, you know, the, the ability to like, oh, we do these things. And then we can do that to help him get comfortable with delayed gratification. And so, and I remember there was a, it was a study they did, right, on kids, like as far as one of the greatest predictors of kids being successful is their ability to.

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That one study.

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Yeah, the mushroom, or the mushroom, the marshmallow study. Yeah. And I've heard people try and pick that apart like any study you can do, right? But I do think there's some, whether it's 100% accurate or not,I do think there's tremendous value in that because I, again, I think it translates into fitness. I think it translates into entrepreneurship, even not even in entrepreneurship, even in, you know, climbing the corporate ladder. If that's the, the path you chose,you're going to have to put a lot of years of work and being in the middle and grinding and getting passed up.

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The person that enjoys the journey is going to go further than the person who's just looking

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at the goal or looking at what the future me wants. And I get that that's the beginning, right? The beginning you say, this is what I want. Okay, I got to sacrifice all these things that I enjoy now, whether it's, you know, being sedentary or eating foods that I'm just enjoying in the moment or maybe it's not working hard or studying hard or maybe it's not being present with your kidsbecause God, I'd really like to just disconnect and be on my phone or watch something or hang out my friends.

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But over time, I think if you do this long enough, you start to appreciate the process itself. And then what happens, it's beautiful because what happens is you're no longer sacrificing the present for the future. You are now giving, you're now gifting both the present and the future.

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And when you get to that place, you'll never stop. You don't want to stop. We start looking at other aspects like for growth. Yes. Right. And that's, I think that's the exciting part is when you, when you finally go through that whole process and that journey and then you're able to like and love the journey, you start looking at other things. Oh, my God. Well, I'm really deficient here. I could improve a lot here. And there's a lot of room for growth. And you get excited about venturing into that journey because you know the payout, what that's going to be. But really, it's about the work leading into that that's going to benefit you so much as a whole.

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I think a big, a big point is finding a way or learning how to reframe the inevitable setbacks and failures along the way of the journey.

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Totally.

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Because part of the reason why people have a hard time with the delayed gratification is

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because they have a plan and they start to execute that plan. And the inevitable happens, plateau, setback, injury, whatever it may be.

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A challenge happens. And because they're not seeing the return that they expected, they get discouraged and they quit versus looking at it as a time to reflect and go, okay, what am I doing wrong? What can I do better? Learning from that and looking that as an opportunity for growth and anticipating that this is going to be part of the journey.

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I think it's the reframing of that is so important. You said a key word there, inevitable. The expectations are wrong. If our expectations are that we will never stumble, you are going to be let down. 100%. Everybody, it's inevitable that you're going to stumble. Watch a little, watch a baby learn how to walk. Imagine if the baby after falling, it's like, I'm never trying that again. You're going to fall. You're going to fall as you learn how to walk. Imagine if the baby after falling, it's like, I'm never trying that again, you're going to fall. You're going to fall as you learn how to walk. Everybody does. This is just how it works.

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So when you're on this journey, you are going to run to mistakes. You're going to plateau. You're going to find periods of time where I don't want to do this. Or maybe you do stop. Or maybe you do, you know, give into the, you know, gratification that, you know give into the you know gratification that you know

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that hedonistic desire whatever and that's okay that's actually part of the that's part of what happened that doesn't mean you you you you look to it and say this is what's going to happen I'm going to do

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this it's like well I'm going to try not to yeah but inevitably it I will stumble everybody does

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let me get back up and let's keep moving. And that's just part of the formula.

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You know,

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it's fine. I had the thought about like a professional athlete. I've met some athletes before and I consider, I'm like, man, maybe we should bring them on the show, but I'm like, it's not going to be that great of a conversation because they haven't. Some athletes I've met, like, it just all comes naturally.

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Like, it's a very natural thing. Like, they're just skilled genetically. Like, it just. And they didn't face a lot of, like, it just all comes naturally. Like, it's a very natural thing. Like, they're just skilled genetically. Like, it just, and they didn't face a lot of, like, serious struggle along the way. So it's like, you know, for them to, to then articulate those pitfalls and it's a really, that's, you know, that's a big challenge for them to convey.

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Because it, you know, for me, me like coaching it was all those struggles it was

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all of the process and then how to overcome a lot of the challenges and the in the hurdles that I faced constantly and you know I don't know I think like in terms of what makes like a good coach especially it's like it always seems to be the athletes that struggle a bit more uh with you know these pitfalls and like trying to

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overcome these things. Yeah, I wish I had a, I wish I had a really, I never had a really good coach. Like, when I look back at all my coaches, that was one of the things that I've missed, like, out on is having like a really good coach could be life-changing.

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Especially coming from a guy who really didn't have a great father figure. It is much too.

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Oftentimes that's what happens. I had, I had maybe two, like really, really good coaches.

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Yeah, because I mean, it had been so not. You had, you had good leaders, good managers. Moving up in like the fitness space or whatever.

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Oh, yeah. I'm talking about young years, right?

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When I'm playing sports, I'm playing sports, my teenage years and stuff like that. By the time I get in my 20s, I met other good men that were leaders. That mentor to you.

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More so that were my peers, but also like leadership though, right? Like I respected that were successful, knowledgeable, that shared. And I got a lot from that. But I mean like even going through as like a kid, because there was, I was like the kid, Justin PERSON's describing where I wasn't the gifted athlete. Like I love sports.But it was a, it was work. It was a grind. Like I was a kid who had to get up early in the morning to do extra things.

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Right. To be able to keep up. Yeah, to keep up with people and practicing in the house. You know what's funny? I bet you right now. I already know the answer to this.Do you think that was a gift?

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100%.

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Yeah.

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So this is my point is I wish that I had a good coach or father figure that was teaching me

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how to lean even more into that.

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Like I did it just at a sheer wanting to fit in and be good.

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You know what I'm saying?

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That was the driver. Yeah. But I wish I had like a father like one of you, right? That was like telling me like what I was going through and going, hey, listen, son, this is going to be something that this is going to be your superpower. Because in life, this is like this is what's going to say that kid who's a gifted athletethat you're frustrated.

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You can't. You can't catch. You're going to destroy him in life because this is like, this is what's going to say. Like that kid who's a gifted athlete that you're frustrated. You can't. You can't catch.

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You're going to destroy him in life because he's not built. He's not learning how to build what you're learning to build right now. And I can't. And like, I think if the right person, like a dad or like a coach or a good role model for me that was saying that, ooh, I probably would have leaned even harder into that.

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Now, later, to your point, you know, and reflecting, I look back and I'm like, oh, that

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was actually a blessing that I struggled and wasn't talented and had all these like hardships. Like I totally, that's why when people ask me about the childhood stuff that I'm like, oh, man, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want it any other way.

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It's as bad or whatever it was. Isn't that interesting? You could take, what a great lesson, right? You can take, this is a spiritual lesson. You can take a situation that most people may classify as good or bad, objectively, like winning the lottery.Most people might say, oh, that's a good thing, right? Or, you know, struggling with a chronic illness as a kid, right? Most people would say, that's a bad thing. But both of those could be used for good or bad, right? Most people would say, that's a bad thing. But both of those could be used for good or bad, right? Winning the lottery depends on how you use it and how it works within you. It could be a terrible thing. There's lots of stories of how that broke up families and caused

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divorces and caused a lot of heartache. And then when I mentioned about chronic illness or challenges,

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there are lots of stories where the person used it took this challenge and used it for good. So it's, life is very interesting and very complicated.

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I think it becomes a superpower when you have the ability in those moments when faced with that adversity, heartache or frustration or struggle, the person who knows how to get to that place of reframing and looking at it differently faster, like that's such a skill.

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Such a skill. And if you can develop that, like what that's going to do in life for you is so... That's why one of my favorite Chinese NORP proverbs

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is that the one about the guy with the sun that falls off the horse.

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Yeah, doesn't go to the draft.

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Yeah, he's like, I don't know if it's good about it. Yeah, yeah. You know, maybe. Maybe. You know what's like, I don't know if it's good about it. Yeah, yeah. You know, maybe. Maybe.

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You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like such a, it's such a great example of like, you know, how life ends up panning out for you is that minute. But if you have the, and the other thing, too, it's so important is like, whether you think you will or you won't, you're probably right. So if you had this attitude of like, I'm never going to get anywhere in life becausethis happened to me. I'm never going to because of this disadvantage or, oh, you know, I'm not privileged. This person, like, if you, yeah, you're right. If you have that attitude that you're going to fail, I hate that's like you're going to, it's going to come true.

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That's what makes it makes me so upset about the, the, the whole privilege conversation, it makes me upset because there's a whole, I mean, we can make an unlimited. It's not that it's not true.

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It's unhealthy.

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It's a terrible way to look at it. It actually terrible. And it could be true.

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You could create a different outcome. It could not be true. There's an unlimited amount of potential privileges or disadvantages. And then where does mindset play a role, right? Like, you know, you could say, you know, I grew up in this situation that was so tough. Oh, that's a, that's a disadvantage. And it's like, no, no,no, that actually propelled me to become this person later on. Well, does that mean that was a privilege? Or did you turn it into a public? Like, what is that? Listen, what is mindset playing

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a lot? Trying to make a list. Doug PERSON might have grew up in a more privileged life than me,

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but there's a kid who grew up in a less privileged life than me,

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and there's a kid.

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And there's an example of somebody who was less privileged

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that outperformed the other person. Like, there's always that example. So why would I ever want to teach that message to a kid? Because then they start to confirm that belief of like, oh, they're all privileged and lucky. And I'm not, well, okay, son,there's someone else who's even less privileged than you. Yeah. And someone even less privileged than that. And like, oh, they're all privileged and lucky. And I'm not, well, okay, son, there's someone else who's even less privileged than you.

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Yeah.

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And someone even less privileged than that. And there's also a story of someone in that position that overcame all that and became something great.

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So why would you even put that in your head that that matters? It doesn't matter.

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In fact, if I could teach you to reframe that, you know what's going to be an advantage to you because you're going to have, because you're less privilege privilege you're going to have to build different skill sets and traits and characteristics about you that is going to propel you in life and it's going to serve you more later and that's how I've learned to look at it is that man I'm so lucky that I went through that because it trained me when other kids were not worrying about what's going on with their parents because their parents had a

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great relationship and they had all the things they want.

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I was having to think about those things as a 11, 12, 13 year old. Therefore, it trained that muscle when I got into real life.

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And you could have, you could have used it in a way that was terrible. Right.

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It could have become a statistic.

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You know, with that.

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I wish we could just bring, you know, somebody in from medieval times and be like, can you describe your everyday life?

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And then try and like throw the privilege card.

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For me, it was, for me it was easy because I was so close.

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I was not far removed from like, uh, my dad is an immigrant, very poor.

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His dad was, I mean, when I say poor, we think poor here.

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Like I'm talking about like grandfather didn't have clothes. Yeah, they all live, whoa, how many people lived in one house? Well, I mean, literally I say poor, we think poor here. Like, I'm talking about like grandfather didn't have clothes.

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Yeah, they all live.

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Whoa.

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How many people lived in one house? Well, I mean, literally, literally my grandfather didn't have clothes or food sometimes. Okay. My dad, you know, he slept in a bed with his siblings until he moved out when he was 19. And they would sleep. One person would sleep head to foot this way.The other person would sleep this way. And they'd put two twin beds together. My grandmother put a big sheet over it so they could all squeeze together. You know, when he was a kid, he would wear, she would get him shoes that were too big. And eventually he would outgrow him. And then she'd cut the top, the tip off, and they'd become like sandals.Like this is how.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, this is how we grew up, you know. And so I was so, it was so close to me. And I would see these pictures and hear these stories. It was really easy for me to be like, oh, okay. Like, yeah, I can see now, you know, you know, what's going. And I also see my dad show up and my mom, you know, I see them show up every day and,you know, work and be happy and, you know, not, not complain and this is what this is

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why I think we're all so passionate about training and exercise and like fitness, right, is because it's one of the most

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amazing vehicles to train that in anybody. Regardless of your background, you can train that mindset. You can sharpen it. You embracing the journey of weightlifting completely, like every bit of it, all the inevitable struggles and with that. It's one of the best. I'll tell you right now, I know you guys

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will agree with me, the one thing that someone could say to me, which I would guarantee, I would know they were

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going to fail in the gym, I would know. If they came to me and they said, I have terrible genetics, my body won't respond.

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This is not going to work for me. Yes, it won't. It absolutely won't. I don't care what their genetics are. I don't care what their situation is when someone came to me and blamed it all on these circumstances they had no control over because you would get that sometimes and I would try and change them out ofthat but if the person stayed there then there was nothing I could do that's why I love that quote

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whether you think you will or you won't you're probably right yeah I'm saying if you come in with

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this attitude that I have terrible genetics I can't see results I won't do this it's like yeah

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you're right and I'm not just because I'm a trainer it doesn't have as a magic like you can't come

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in here like you have to learn to change that, reframe that, have a different mindset.

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They already drew up their destiny.

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There it is.

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Yeah.

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That's the objective.

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Speaking of which, I got to read to you guys.

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Did you guys see that post in our forum of, it was one of our forum members talking about

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clients and stuff like that.

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This young lady, Iman PERSON is her name, did this post and and posted some pictures and we'll share them on the YouTube channel. But here's what she wrote. It's pretty amazing. She says, your macro setup and which maps program you follow doesn't matter. But then she goes on. Okay, that's an exaggeration.They do, but not nearly as much as you think. Posting this because I learned this lesson the hard way over these past years and I'm hoping this helps someone on their journey. I see so many people in this forum freak out about their body fat percentage and the nuances of the diet and it pains me because I was once there. For years, I struggled with terrible gut health issues, bloating, skin problems and digestion, you name it. It made no sense to me. I got great sleep. My macros are perfectly dialed. I followed math programs. Why didn't my body respond? Because I was obsessedwith my physical health and neglected so much else. I prioritized getting to bed over time, spending extra time with loved ones. I prioritized workouts and perfect meals over planning trips or partaking in social events. I was obsessed with my gut health. I spent thousands of dollars on supplements, tests, and protocols. I felt like I was battling against my body. All to come to find out that my fixation of my body was making it less healthy.And then she posts pictures of herself over a six-month period. The first picture, 147 pounds, is her obsessed. The second picture, six months later, she's six pounds leaner and looks significantly better because she took her obsession off of everything and kind of did it in a more healthy way, obviously through our advice.

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Pretty cool, right? That's really cool. Really, really cool. It also highlights, I'm great. I'm glad you're sharing this. We probably should do a better job of sharing more of what goes on in the forum withstuff like this because we got asked,

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when we were,

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excuse me, when we were in Florida GPE, we got asked by trainers, like, how do you guys build the business and not use before and after pictures? Oh, yeah. Because that's like, that's like the tried formula for doing that.And like everybody's been taught to do that from a marketing perspective. Why it does work to sell

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shit. And it does. And it's, and the reason why is because we've always said that that's, it's counter to the message that we've tried to be presenting for, you know, eight, eight, nine years now, which is this getting away from this body obsession and focusing on exactly what this journey. But yet I love and, and then we, and this is what we told them is like we encourage them, you know, get a, get a forum, get a group together and allow them to organically share that.

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Instead of us taking a picture of her using just the before or after and saying she followed a maps program and did this diet and look what we did for her in six months. It's like allow these people to learn from the message that we're sharing with all of them and this community and then allow them to organically talk about their journeys through this process. I said, I just think that's a far better approach. If you, if you truly believe in the same mission that we believe in, we're trying to shift the industry

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in a way that is healthier and better for everybody. Not just body obsessed and aesthetic obsessed

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and cosmetic obsessed. And part of that means we might have to sack back to our so great full circle,

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right, delayed gratification, right? Instead of the instant gratification of revenue and money and sales because we could use

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and leverage those things to sell more stuff.

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Because we have before and afters.

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We have thousands of before.

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And people have looked, you know, dramatically different in these great like transformations.

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But like we're just interested in that journey, that process that the way that they're

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able to mentally, you know, show up like consistently.

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And the most important part of that entire before and after is the message that she writes.

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Yep.

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Right. It's not the picture of what she did in six months. It's the man, this because that, that's life changing. Yep. Losing five to seven pounds up or down or a little bit more abs or a little more buff. Like that's not life changing.

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What's life changing is making that connection and understand. And then being the whoa I look better yeah because I'm oh that happened yeah yeah

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that's amazing yeah I love that I love that too you know I think I Katrina PERSON asked me a question

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Sal I was going to ask you today we're talking and she asked me this thing about leadership

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she's like you know you and sell talk a lot about all the staffs um that you had and all the trainers and stuff and salespeople that you developed and things like

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that. And she goes, I don't think I've ever really heard you like tell a lot of those stories.

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And she's like, can you think of or tell me like a proud moment as a leader in those stories?

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I was like, oh, that was a really interesting question. And of course, I could think of something. But it made me think like, oh, that's, I'll ask Sal PERSON, like what he, what he recalls or thinks of or what comes to mind when you think about all the teams and people that you, that worked underneath you. And when you think of yourself and your development and where you're at in your career and your life, like, what do you reflect back on and go like, oh, I was really proud of that, that I was able to do that or we did

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that or whatever. Yeah, I got to think about that. That's interesting because you told me earlier that you might ask me this. And I had to think about this for a second. And you know, it's interesting about that question, Adam PERSON, is this now as an older cell, you know, older person I can kind of reflect. I never, it was never a desire of mine to be the boss or to be a manager. So it wasn't like I never sought it out.It happened. And then when I was there, I remember feeling, I remember the first club I ran. So that's this the memory that pops up. The first club I ran was club 529,24 Fitness and Salinas ORG. This was like one of the clubs that was like, they'll put you in there either to fire you afterwards or let's see if you could turn this club around type of deal.

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And the reason why they sent me there, understandably, was I was a kid. I was only, I think I was 19 years old when they gave me this club.

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And I remember I walked in there and had this tremendous sense of like, uh, responsibility and purpose. Like I remember feeling like so like, okay, I want to really do a good job with these, these people in this club. I want to do a good job. And I remember my first all staff mate. Looking back, you know, I was a good job. You know, I was a good job. You know, I was a good job. You know, really do a good job with these these people in this club I want to do

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a good job and I remember my first all staff mate looking back you know I was a kid and looking back

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it makes me chuckles like who did I think I was as a as this kid but I remember my very first all staff meeting I called everybody in the back and I stood up on a desk I really got up and I gave this like this meeting I didn't have any notes or anything and I remember feeling very inspired and motivated and I gave this like this meeting. I didn't have any notes or anything. And I remember feeling very inspired and motivated. And I remember getting the whole staff kind of behind me. And that first team that I worked with was, was exceptional. It was a small club.It was one of the smaller clubs in the company. But I remember we did a lot of great things out of there. And there were some pretty interesting, some really good performances. And then the second thing I remember was our good, our late friend, Larry Evans PERSON, a good friend of ours. He had come to me to get an interview because he went to another club. Here's the irony of this, by the way. Larry, he is easily one of the best salespeople in theentire fitness industry of the world, period, in the story. Anybody who knows him will tell you, the guy was, he was like the Michael Jordan PERSON of sales, just so gifted and talented that if you taught him the skills, it was like, you're watching like a virtuoso, right? You know that you worked with him.

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Yeah, I mean, he was referred to as the Michael Jordan PERSON of sales and fitness.

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Like he just had, he was amazing to watch. Yeah. And so I remember when I hired him, you know,

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in walks in this, you know, this young dude and he's wearing basketball shorts and basketball jersey. And he actually got turned down for an interview at Capitol McKee ORG because of his appearance. He walked in, kind of relaxed, you know, Larry PERSON's attitude, whatever. And he came in and, you know, I saw something in him. And when he came in, I kind of shook his hand and I saw something in him and I liked it.

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And I said, hey, come back tomorrow. But I want you to dress like you're actually serious about this interview. So I want to see what he would do. And he did. He came back and he was dressed more professionally.And we had a, you know, a great interview. And the proud moment was that I saw through the cover of the book.

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Yeah. And I ended up hiring what ended up being one of the best, you know, performers ever that anybody's ever seen. So those are the two things that kind of pop into my head. How about,

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how about you? What are yours? You know, there was a, when she said it, it was a really neat exercise

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for me because it's not

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something that somebody had asked or I thought about, uh, really in a long, a long time.

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And of course, I can think of like, these, uh, you know, emotional peaks where like,

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we broke a record or taking over a club and turning it around and so with that. But it was interesting that the one that felt the heaviest on me that I was like, oh, man, I remember that feeling. And that felt even better than those, you know, record moments and things with that. But it was interesting that the one that felt the heaviest on me that I was like, oh, man, I remember that feeling. And that felt even better than those, you know, record moments and things like that.

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Because those, I can think of those and those felt like a real high for the day or like that

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and then gone. Like that. But the one that like had the most like. You still get a feelings.

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Yeah, that evoked the most emotion was this, this silly moment that I remember going up to Mountain View GPE for a meeting. At that time, we had eight, eight other fitness managers that were a part of our district. Right. So I'm going up, we're meeting with our DM. And we're sitting there. And the reason why I think, too, this was kind of a big moment for me was that it was the time of my career where I was starting to get pretty discouraged that I wasn't getting promoted faster.I wasn't moving up the company. And I'm having this self-reflection moment of like, you know, is it me? Like I'm the common honor. I'm not moving up. Is it what is it? Is my attitude?Was I blackballed for earlier stuff? And I'm like struggling with all that. And really questioning my own self-worth probably. And I remember sitting in this meeting and there's eight other fitness manager. And here's this, the district manager who's leading it. And six of the eight managers were my people.

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Oh, that you hired that you, that I hired, that I trained and, and promoted.

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And it was like this feeling of like, oh, man, like I don't need like a title or this confirmation from somebody else that I'm a good leader. I'm good at what I did because right in front of me, I'm looking at, you know, almost the entire district.

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You know what's so big about that is that anybody who runs a team knows this? You gave away six of your top players to go compete against you. Exactly.

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In your district. And only people that know that really understand like the like the like what are you thinking, right?

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What it takes. Yeah. Because a lot of. And but funny you say that because one of the things that that's what frustrated me about my boss at that time is he kept me in that position because of how valuable I was instead of. I'm glad he did that. Because now you're here.

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Yeah.

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And be me and let me be a peer of his. And I knew better than that. I knew better than never to be a leader like that. And as soon as

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I had, I mean, that was part of Justin PERSON moving on. I remember when, I mean, Justin was my top guy,

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right hand man for many years. I took him from the Hillsdale Club ORG, took him over with me to the San Trees Club, crush that club, crush that club. And I was always cheerleading for him that he's the next guy in line. We'd constantly be telling my boss, like, he's the next guy, he's the next guy, he deserves his opportunity. And, you know, I remember him getting overlooked. And then I remember, like, the last time that he got overlooked. And it was, and it was, I mean, I felt disrespected.So I know he probably felt disrespected that, like, the people that got the position above him, like, he was just, he was far better than I knew he was far better, more experienced, more, more educated.

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I wonder if any of those guys that got promoted ahead of you have the top fitness podcast? No.

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No. Justin PERSON definitely, Justin made out in this story.

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Yeah. For sure. But I remember then having this one. I went all Achilles PERSON, dude.

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You know, you know, the movie Troy WORK_OF_ART. Yeah. I'm just good, dude. My own thing. Well, that, and that was such a, you know, that was such a hard conversation for me to have, you know, the movie Troy. Yeah. Like, I'm just good, dude. My own thing.

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Well, that was such a-

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know your name.

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That was such a hard conversation

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for me to have.

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You know, talk about one of the hardest moments for me, too, is that not only does my guy not get, you knew he was, you saw him leave and you were probably like,

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well, I remember encouraging him

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saying that, and talking about that, like, go, tell my top guy.

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You could have selfishly sold him on sticking around.

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Of course.

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Yeah, or dangled the care

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to those things, but I remember going like, hey, dude, I mean, I get it. You go build your own thing. I think you'll be fine. You'll do great and stuff like that. And so not only do I not get him promoted in the club,but then I also lose him as all that revenue and business out of, out of my club. And so, yeah, that was a tough moment to see him go and do that. But of course, I mean, this is, it all played out the way it was supposed to. And, you know, like, who got the last laugh now? Yeah, exactly.

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But we were just talking about turning bad things into good things. Like, I could have, I mean, someone might have been like, I'm done.

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I quit this. I'm never doing this again or whatever. I'm out of this industry. Instead, you left, built your own business, which was hard.

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Well, it was me. Yeah, no, yeah. It's, it's, that's it. You know, how do we reframe us? How do we focus on the next move? Like, how do we, how do we take this and run and do something even better and greater?That's just the always how it is. And again, like, this sort of mindset happens along the journey for people in different ways.

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And for me, it was a lot of sports and, you know, driving through that, like, complicated training process of, like, really trying to figure out what works, what doesn't work and, like, what I have to do in

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order to get myself and elevate myself and all these different avenues that I was pursuing. And it really is, it's, man, it's, it was frustrating as hell, but you learn so much. And then, you know, being in a situation like that, it's like, oh, all right. Yeah, I'll just figure it out. You know, it's interesting about

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this conversation. Because some people will say, well, that's so insensitive. Some people are just suffering or they're struggling and it's they can't do it or whatever. There's a way to communicate this with integrity and authenticity. And then there's a way to communicate this to be an asshole. Like, you can be an asshole and be like, well, that's because you're not working hard enough. Get off your ass. You're lazy.You piece of crap, whatever.

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And you hear that on the internet all time. Disparaging people's hardships.

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No, no, no, no, no. The truth is, yeah, it's fucking hard, man. Yeah, dude, I see that this sucks. There's only one way out of this, uh, in the right way, at least. The one way out of it is like, you keep going. The other way is not out.You'll get deeper in what you're feeling. And, but I know how bad this is. I can see that this sucks. That's like, you keep going. The other way is not out. You'll get deeper in what you're feeling. But I know how bad this is. I sucks. I can see that this sucks. That's the right way to communicate. You get all these like, you know, it's funny too.

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You know, these masculine, you know, like pro, like alpha, whatever communicators on Instagram ORG or social media.

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And they're doing it the wrong way, man. You're a pussy. You're a weak. You're get up. Go off your ass. Yeah, that's insensitive because, uh, you, the person's getting crushed. They're hearing you and be like, either either they're like, you're like, you're weak, you're get up, good off your eyes. Yeah, that's insensitive because the person's getting crushed,they're hearing you and be like, either they're like, you don't understand me, you don't get me, or you piss them off. Maybe you get the kid to stand up on his own and figure it out, but I argue that that argument,the kid would have done it anyway, whether you argued to it with him or not, or told him that or not.

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Yeah, yeah. You know, so anyway, I got to tell you guys about what my, my three-year-old told my wife

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the other day, which is hilarious.

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So, um, Jessica PERSON bought these little figurines that, like, depict like a family.

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It's like mom, dad, grandma, baby, sister, brother, or whatever. And so she's been, you know, playing with the kids with them. And it's interesting to see, I know you've seen this with Max PERSON, where they play pretend and they make little voices and they talk. And it's really cool to just kind of stay back and kind of watch and see what they say.

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Like what are they saying?

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Like what do they think the dad says? What do they think the mom says or whatever? So he's playing,

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he's talking to the dad and he's like, you know, what fun do you do with the family or whatever? And he goes, oh, it's, you know, the family, it's really fun.They cook dinner a lot and stuff, but sometimes mama burns the steak. That's what they remember.

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She's like, all right.

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I guess it's so interesting when they focus on.

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It's so crazy.

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They're like the one thing that they picked up on of all the stuff.

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When my oldest, my oldest is 18. But when he was little, I remember we asked him like, what does what does Papa do? And I remember this was like a little point of reflection to me. He's like, Papa works. That's it. And I'm like, oh, man.I guess it works. And then you ask him, what does mama do? And he goes, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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And then there's another point of reflection, you know.

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These kids are great, dude.

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That's so good.

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I bet you there's got to be like a cool, like fun.

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I know.

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There used to be a show, right?

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The kids say the darndest things.

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You ever seen that?

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It was a Cosby PERSON.

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Oh, fuck. It was a Cosby PERSON. I guess you can't. For me. That was a Cosby PERSON show, but it was good. I think they actually still.It was a good show. They might have still continued it with somebody else. But someone else. I think they, I think they might have. But I know it was his. I think they actually still a good show. They might have still continued it with somebody else.

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But someone else. I think they might have, but I know it was his thing for the longest. Dude, I got to, I got to, well, I know you guys know the answerthis. What's the one, here's a trivia question. I'm sure you know the answer to. What's the one supplement or partner productthat we work with that consistently runs out fast? It's always gone.

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I go to reach in the bag right now, gone.

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Oh, the gummies.

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The shillegis. Gone. Of all the products that we work with, the organify shillagie is gone. I know when we have it, we're going to run out.

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I think I don't know where they're at right now. I don't know if you've looked on their website or not, but I know that's, it's even sold out on their level a lot.

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It's, well, I think they crushed it because they taste good. I think that's, that's a big part. Let's be honest. The other part is,

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I don't know you guys are reading. Are you guys reading what people are saying? Has there been a big

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buzz, like in other, in terms of like the biohackers and everybody else like really highlighting

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the benefits of she called it. Called it. Yeah, because I mean, I I mean, I feel like there's a public awareness about it, which.

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I knew it because I, when they, when they came out with it, I said on the podcast, I'm so excited.

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There's lots of studies behind this.

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So Organify PRODUCT, big player promoting it.

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We started talking about it. And it wasn't long before people started putting advertising money behind. So it, I mean, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a compound that has lots of studies that actually show that it has benefit.

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Is there any, is there any negative to taking a lot of these supplements in gummy form versus pill form? Well, the only negative would be that there's a little bit of calories in a gummy. Well, aside from that. That's it. Because it's like, what, three or five?

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That's nothing. No, there's no other negative. So like, as far as digestion, absorption. Oh, fine. Because I've always wondered. I've always wondered. I always felt like, what, three or five? That's nothing. No, there's no other negative. So, like, as far as digestion, absorption.

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Oh, fine.

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Because I've always wondered. I've always wondered. I always felt like, you know, you take like a multi-itam that's a gummy or chewy. It's like, this can't. And then you take like a normal bone of it tastes terrible. It makes your stomach upset.It's like, this must be working more because I have diarrhea. Yeah. No, the challenge is when you put two, the challenges on the nutrient. Some nutrients just taste terrible. Yeah.

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So how do we put, you know, how would we put 50 vitamins and minerals in a gummy and make it? They typically don't. There's four. Because it tastes so bad.

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Yeah, because some of them just taste. That makes, because I tell you what, I know you tease me that, but I'm terrible at like all, I mean, Dr. Cabral PERSON's protocol for me and all these, whenever someone gives me like a stack of things I have to take every single day,

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multiple times a day.

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And I mean, I have a, I struggle really with like being consistent with it.

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You need a supplement bag, bro. Well, part of it is this, the, the gummy thing. If I had all of them in like gummies, I swear to God, I would, it's so easy.

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Yeah, we get a bag of gummies here always, and I know I take two of them and throw them my house. They taste good going down. It's like, I know there's, I don't need water to wash it down. It's not, I mean, I don't know. If I could, if I could, I would make every supplement that I need to take all in gummy form.I would, like a big ass kid, dude.

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And I don't care what you say. I bet you, I bet you if they haven't done it yet, and if someone actually did a study on this, that the adherence to gummies versus pills, I bet you gummies, you're right. Crush would crush. You know what happens? As far as compliance.

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No, you don't need to stay. You can already look at the market. So you know how this started, right? It started with kids supplements. Flintstone. Well, Flintstones PRODUCT were the chewables,

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but then they started making gumm. It's what I'm saying.

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Gummy vitamins for kids. And then what they saw was that were parents were buying the kids gummy vitamins and using them. And they were like, we're getting more parents using this than our tablets. So that's the, that was the beginning of these companies.

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At my house, my airborne, my vitamin C, my elderberry, my, what else do I have? I mean, I have all the gummy forms of it.

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That's why I'm going to ask you like, am I, am I losing out on anything?

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Like my behavior.

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By doing that. And it gets, if it's the same thing, it's just easy for me to do. The only thing I wouldn't do in gummy form would be like a probiotic because you'd want to protect the bacteria on its way to the colon.

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It needs a little bit of time release. Yeah, like something along those. It's not really time release, but it's different science.

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Did now, Doug PERSON, maybe you know if you're looking at the, typically does gummy form cost more because it's a gummy form? Probably.

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Yeah, that's probably the knock. I would imagine, right? Because you could get, whatever. I would pay the extra. You could get the black tarry shula G and just throw a capsule on it versus having to pay the R&D to make it tasty.

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Yeah. And in a in a gummy.

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So that's probably because I was, I also saw our good friend Jordan Sait PERSON, did a, I've been meaning to watch it because I want to hear what he said about, you know, creatine gummies. And it was like, you know, poo pooing on it. And I'm assuming it's because it's because you can get creatine monohydrate super cheap and powerful. He knows this as well as we do because I bet if I had him in here he would agree. Traitors understand this. At the end of the daywhich one is going to get, what is going to encourage the behavior

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more? Yeah. Okay, so

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what's getting encouraged the behavior more? That's what I worry. That's what I care about. I don't care about which one is better on paper. Which

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one's my client going to do? Adherence.

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Yes. And 100% you're right. A gummy is far more likely to have the average person, unless you're a pill fanatic like me. Yeah. If you're not, then who can, then I would never say that.

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Like if you're like, oh, I have no problem taking these 12 pills every day or this powdered thing and mixing it up. And then, okay. But I know me. Yeah. And that is a hassle. And I've done all the pill stack things and try to like, on Sunday, set it all out. Only Doug PERSON is know me. Yeah. And that is a hassle. And I've done all the pill stack things and tried to like,on Sunday, set it all out.

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Only Doug PERSON is like me. Doug PERSON and I will do this. We'll take it all organized. We'll take all our pills. Are you good like him? Yeah.

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Oh, you are.

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So every Sunday, I have a morning packet and an evening packet that I put together in the bags for the whole week. For the whole week. I tried that. Yeah. I did.I bought supplement. It's supplement prepping, bro.

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So you have meal prepping? Yeah. I know. I tried to do it. And it got me through a couple. Like when we did Cabral PERSON and I had that protocol, that was how I did it. I was like, there's so many of these things I got to take. I've got to like plan this out or I'm going to fail. And I think I got to like three weeks of being pretty consistent with it. And then I just fell off.

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Or you take it to like ninja level like me where I don't even put them in packets because I like to adjust them on the fly.

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You carry the whole. On the fly.

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Carry the whole pharmacy.

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This guys got to go.

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Now you either call it full pharmacy.

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Chopping it up. I just get carpal tunnel from opening

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an enclosure of these bottles.

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It's either ninja level or it's dysfunction.

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That's one of those two things.

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I don't know.

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Hey, you know, you were talking about comments

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on the YouTube you I was actually on there last night and going through all these comments.

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Actually, what prompted it was we had this meeting with J.T. and Sage PERSON, and they were talking about,

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man, it's so crazy.

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Your guys' comments that people are like, they don't just like say little, like one thing they

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write these like incredible, you know, stories.

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Yeah, they're just, he's like the, it's, I've never seen anything like it.

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He's like, I've never seen a YouTube channel with that much positive.

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It is unique.

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It's just for YouTube ORG.

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Find me.

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Find me, I've never seen one.

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Show me a channel.

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That's like, yeah. Actually, real quick, I'm going to take a just a little left connected and we'll go back to what you're saying, but I don't want to forget, you want, if you ever want to read the best comments you've ever read in your entire life on YouTube, okay, they're like, get moved. Watch a, a, like, a worship music or like Christian NORP music video and then read the comments.No, no, no. It's crazy. Really?

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It's crazy. It's like I just had cancer and I got survived or I lost my husband.

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And this song's, oh my God, bro.

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I was going through the comments on some of this music. And every comment was like somebody sharing a personal story.

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That was profound. That was profound, bro.

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I had to pause so many times.

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I was sharing them with my wife.

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I'm like, because YouTube ORG comments are literally, like you said, typically, you don't want to go through the comments. Which is, like you said, ours are pretty damn good.

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So I, and this is a shout out to Darren PERSON because, you know, it's been almost, I want to say

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it's been almost a year since we officially hired him. And it's been continually to reformulating and improving and like the newsletter.

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And this was the first time I, and on one video, I think I've seen three different comments about, uh, how much they love the newsletter. Oh, yeah. And so if you're not subscribed to the,

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it's mind pumpmedia.com forward slash ORG newsletter. Yeah, free. It's free. It's totally different form of media from us. Yeah, totally different. Oh, yeah. And so if you're not subscribed to the... It's mindpumpmedia.com forward slash newsletter. Yeah, free. It's free. It's totally different form of media from us.

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Yeah, totally different. And Darren PERSON, for a little bit of background, those that might and I've heard

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me told a story before, I, we got connected 10 years ago when I first started on Instagram ORG,

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and he had a fitness background, and he's a writer. He's an author, and he's brilliant. And he would write these, like, very sarcastic, like, take.

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He's super witty.

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Yes, very sarcastic, tongue-and-cheek type of, like, post about, like, the fitness. And it just, they were so good. I mean, and some of them would, like, jab and hit home, like, some of my stuff or my and I'm like, oh, this is really good. And I started calling him and became friends.

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And I told him years ago, this was like eight years ago that I said, man, one day,

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I want to do something with you. And I said, the business that we're building, I hope that we can. And I thought back then we were going to write some book together that was funny and fitness related with that. But we hired him to actually write our newsletter. And so if you haven't read it, it's, it's really entertaining.And then there's recipe in there. And there's like news, what's going on. And so it's a, it's a really cool newsletter. And again, it's, it's, we're continuing to evolve it, improve it and add value to it.

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And so that's the goal is totally different media too. It's not like, like the podcast or it's like a different form of mind put media.

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Yes.

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Yeah. I really, the goal is to really grow it into. My goal was to create a, you know, hustle, morning brew type of version of a newsletter that is fitness related and that people love to read every day. And we're, and obviously I have to first prove the model that people are willing to read it,

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you know, every the week.

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Speaking of comments, by the way, did you see the comments under the, when we interviewed the Brain FM ORG, the Brain. FM ORG CEO?

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Oh, no. Comments underneath? No, I didn't actually even look at that episode.

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People are like blown away by Brain FM ORG.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, they're like, oh my God, I just tried. First time triers. Yeah. Because you get the 30 day trial, right?

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So, which I think, of course,

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give them a 30 day trial so they can see.

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And people underneath are like, this is a trip. I put it on five minutes later. I felt like I was so focused or this put me right to sleep. And I'm reading all the comments. I'm like, oh, this is really cool.

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It's so funny. And all the negative ones, it's just people that were like, oh, they just refuse to try it. And it's like, well, you can't really have an opinion. You know, like, I get it.

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It sounds crazy. And it sounds like. It'll blow your mind. Try it out.

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But if you don't give it a shot, then like, you can't really articulate.

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Well, you guys remember when we all first did it.

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I mean, we all had our own little... I was hell skeptical. Dude, it's pretty powerful.

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And I had never, uh, I'd never done any of that. Like, because either, it was there calm and some other brands that are out there

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that have like all these like kind of white noise type of like, you know, apps or whatever.

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And I'm like, I've never been, you know, whatever.

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I've never really been in any of that stuff. And I remember getting introduced to that and try it for the first time. And being like still skeptical.

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Yeah, I had to use it a whole bunch of times.

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Yeah, I had to use it a bunch of times before I was like, no, it's not because of that, is it?

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And then, uh, yeah, five for five. I think it's that. And it's like, and it's one of the, the, long before they were an actual paid sponsor of ours. It's, we all adopted it and have consistently used it now for, I don't know, when was it? Was it very beginning, right?

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First year or two when we were doing the podcast, we got introduced to them.

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And I've never not used that thing. We use it like crazy.

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It's interesting.

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Like this kind of goes along with this, but like, so we didn't have like white noise growing up, you know? Like it wasn't even a thing, like just to sleep.

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Just put it on one of the, you put it on one of the channels that didn't work on the TV. That would be white noise.

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It's like your neighbor's screaming and dogs barking, whatever. Like it fucks up your whole night, you know. Uh, so I just, my hack was to put in ear plugs. And then that, that became like my sleep, like essential. Like I had to do that just because like I was in was in dorms and like, it's to the point where I can't go back.Like I have to like have earplugs. It's just like sort of one of those things that's part of the ritual. And I thought the same with my kids. I'm like, oh, no, they're going to be like, I have to have white noise because we started them with the white noise. And then, you know, eventually brain of femme and things like that.But it's actually my oldest, he's not, he's now sleeping without, you know, eventually the brain of femme and things like that. But it's actually my oldest, he's not, he's now sleeping without, you know, anything.

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Oh, good. And I was like, oh, good. I was a little bit worried, but also because, you know, you don't want to be dependent on anything.

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Yeah.

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Have you ever had this happen? Because, you know, what happens us? We do the same thing with the kids, with the younger ones, is the power would go out. Yes.

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And then the fucking, the noise machine or whatever would turn off.

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And it's like, oh, great.

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Yeah, we had that.

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Yeah.

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Now we're screwed. Although now we got a white noise machine that power goes out. It works still because you recharge it or whatever. But I was worried about that. So he just outgrew it. He outgrew it.Okay.

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Yeah.

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So that was positive, you know.

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I use it intermittently, right?

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So it's not an every single night thing for me.

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It's like I, when I know I'm like, when I go to hotel rooms, if I if I know that like it's going to be a hard night to fall asleep and stuff like that. It's an amazing tool for that. Yeah. And that's how I'm speaking to sleep, man. So we finally got a good couple nights of sleep. And then last night. So Jessica PERSON started finally getting back to the groove of exercise. So kids were terrible sleep. So she had no energy. Then she got sick.

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Then things kind of started moving the right direction.

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So she's like,

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okay,

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I'm going to start working again. And, you know, Jessica PERSON's, she just, her body responds. Like, she's got bodybuilder genetics,right? So she did a couple worksouts. And then she was feeling like hyped. And we had a pull-up bar in the house. And she went up to it and just busted out some pull-ups because she was feeling good or whatever.But she has, I'm pretty sure I know what it is. But in the past, if she's kind of been a little reckless with certain movements, later that day or the next day, she'll get this like radiating pain down her shoulder, in her arm, in her neck. It can sometimes come up to her face.So last night, it's what happened. So she was in bed and just, it must have been hurting her for a while.

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And so she woke me up and she's like, my neck is hurting so bad or whatever. Because I can do some traction sometimes to take the pain away. And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because there's a difference between, and this is good to communicate. There's a difference between nerve pain and muscle pain.

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And thankfully, I understand this difference having trained people for so long and actually

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having trained a couple doctors that were pain specialists who explained this to me.

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And I've identified that what's happening with her and she has a slight herniated disc in her neck is probably what happens is she impinges the nerve a little bit. And then she gets this nerve pain that kind of radiate. And that's what nerve pain feels like. It's more of this radiating pain that goes up and down.

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And then it moves.

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Yeah. Yes. Down the kinetic chain. And it and it could feel hot yeah it could feel tingly or it could just be this this

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constant pain and it could start to grow yeah and I've identified this with her so what I do with her is

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I get her you know she she lays a particular way I'll push on the muscles that are affected because they

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tend to tense up when this happens that's what pain does right pain makes you tighten up so I'll work on the muscles that are affected because they tend to tense up when this happens. That's what pain does, right? Pain makes you tighten up. So I'll work on the muscles and then I put my hands

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under her head if she's laying her back and I do some light traction while she tries to drive her

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shoulders down because my theory is that we're creating space for that nerve, not in pain. And then, of course, that took care of it. But it made me think like, I should probably communicate this because how many people don't know the difference? Muscle pain, nerve pain.

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Oh, you know. I've been going through the same process and you even help me a little bit with, yeah,

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that traction to give me some relief there. And it's like, sometimes it starts as almost a stabbing kind of really intensive pain. And you're like, you know, and I know it's like, at first I'm thinking muscular because of what I've trained or, you know, positions I've held throughout the day and it's like, I'm just stiff and it's probably restrictive and I go through this mobility. And then you realize I'm like, this isn't really solving much. And to thenthen kind of take it the next level. So yeah, you bring that relief from a potential impingement or something in that regard to then be able to do mobility on top of that and help to kind of reset and get your posture.

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I was just going to say more importantly, what are the clear flags of what if someone describes this, this and this?

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Oh, it tends to be radiating, throbbing, or heat or tingly. And then if you, if you, if it's nerve,

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if it's nerve and you do the right position so like

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Justin PERSON you know he he had this pain in his upper mid back and then it turned into his shoulder and

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down his arm it was after the podcast he was talking about it and then I saw him out there and he was doing like mobility and I'm like bro that's I think that's nerve pain so I did this like kind of traction position with him on the bench and I hear how I how I knew was right afterwards you felt better.

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Yeah. Right afterwards. Oh, okay. I feel so I feel better. Yeah, yeah.

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With this.

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And if you have like an over trained, uh, tight muscles with that, you're not going

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to get instant.

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You might get some, uh, a little bit of a little bit of relief from it, but you're

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going to get instant like no. And it's not going to feel like this radiating pain that starts to go like sciatica pain

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is a very classic type of nerve pain where it hurts in your glue and then it goes all the way down your leg.

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And you're like, why the hell is my whole leg hurt?

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You know, what's going on here?

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I was really blessed. I'm thinking about it working, you know, in my studio. I had some exceptional pain specialists that I trained. And, man, I tell you, I feel almost guilty taking their money to train them because I would ask them all these questions about pain.And I would learn all these different things that I could apply to my clients made me really valuable as a personal trainer. Oh, yeah.

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So anyway, also,

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excited about Bellagio ORG. I keep thinking about this. We're going to be in Vegas GPE, Bellagio ORG, live event. It's a different environment. We've never done anythingin an environment like that.

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I'm excited. This is going to be great. I'm excited. It's at 1 p. We've never done anything in an environment like that. I'm excited. This is going to be great. I'm excited. It's at 1 p.m. Right? Yes.Okay, good. So people are coming in after. Yeah.

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I'm glad it's.

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Well, we're going to be there too. Good weather around that time. And the pool scene is what I'm looking forward to. So I like, you're going to do like a pool party? Fuck yeah.

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No, you're not.

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A pool party?

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Well, I mean, like, I'm not going to formally like throw a party, but I'm like that I will absolutely be at the pool.

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Have you ever been? So I've been, I've only been a couple pool parties. Can you finally wear those speedos with Ben Greenfields PERSON?

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I got to find those.

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Oh, yeah.

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He bought, oh, my God.

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It was the funniest thing ever that never happened.

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I know.

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I know.

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I've been to, I've only been to a few, I don't know, maybe two or three pool parties, like a Vegas GPE style.

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And only one of them I didn't have a, like a, what is it called where you rent a cabana.

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Cabana.

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Never would I go to a pool party without a cabana.

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Yeah, yeah.

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What a nightmare mess. You're just packed with everybody in the pool. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, that's like the young, young kid thing.

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Yeah. You do that when you're 20 and that type of a deal would deal otherwise it's like that's when you don't mind you're like this you know you're dancing the whole time what am i doing you're shoulder shoulder oh you're having a good time yeah i'm having a good time yeah it's really so much fun yeah

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in a soup of bodily fluids who's gonna make the next run you know yeah i mean i love all that

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stuff so but i mean i just like also if if I'm going to drink, I prefer in the daytime.

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You know, it's hot out there, being around that pool scene.

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There's always a music, DJ playing and stuff like that.

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So those are all good vibes.

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So 100% will be in the daytime there.

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But our event is not a pool party.

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No, it's not a pool party.

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It's indoors, everybody.

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But we will have a bartender, though.

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I think that's on the list.

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Did we do that? Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure we have a bartender for the, for the event, which will be cool. So you'll be able to, I think we did that. I think we did that at Ohio GPE. We've done that other events.

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Yeah, yeah, we did that Ohio GPE where you could like, I think that's cool.

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Like, while we're talking, you can get drinks and stuff like that. And so, no, I'm excited. It's been a long time so we've done this. I think Vegas GPE, too, of all the places we've done, it's such a great place to meet. Because if you got to get on a plane, you've got to fly somewhere.At least there's a lot of stuff. Just to hang out with us. Are you going to gamble? Most likely. Yeah. See, I don't like gambling,but I like watching you gamble. I did it once.

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I did it one time.

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Go.

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No, that's a good time.

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I don't like gambling. I hate it.

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I hate it. I lose 20 bucks. I'm like, ah, I could have bought a sandwich.

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But I, but I, one time we were, I don't remember, I don't remember when we were, it was my birthday. Yeah,yeah.

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And you were doing craps.

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Yeah. And I don't know how complicated it was. And I was just sitting there like, oh, this is kind of cool. Yeah. I appreciate the math in it and stuff like that.

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Yeah, I had no idea.

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Yeah. I had no idea. It's been a long time, actually, very long time.

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But I will never do it. I will never do it. I will never do it. Especially because when you're the one rolling the dice, get everybody watching you, you know, I, uh, what if I missed the table?

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I mean, it's so, uh, you know, for all the losses or whatever, it's so worth that time.

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If anyone who's played craps, like, I wonder if you're going to have less of a, uh, um,

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hedonistic appreciation because of my tresepotide. I mean, that would be funny. Wouldn't that be weird?

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If you did it once, I mean, I've already kind of worked on that one, right? That'spetite. I mean, that would be funny. Wouldn't that be weird? If you did it once, I'm like, man.

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I mean, I've already kind of worked on that one, right?

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That's why, I mean, I actually haven't, people are asking me, too, if I've been sports betting right now. And I haven't, I haven't, I haven't laid eating beds. I mean, it's a, I don't know, it's an important exercise that I try and do with myself, with things that are like hedonistic that I know are not healthy or not good behaviors for

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me. It's like, I always want to be able to prove that to myself. That's not that I love it I can admit that I love it I enjoy it's a good time but I can also walk away from it and not do it for extended period of time like so I haven't sports bedded in a long time I don't play craps in a really long time but I still love I still love both you know and I will absolutely enjoy and that was something that might make me all of us together having a good time you want me to do it I I'm like, okay. Yeah, then I'll

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have fun. Because if you get around a table and

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one person gets hot in an hour, it's just a fun environment to be. I was

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there with you. I saw a little bit of.

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I'm the worst gambler because I'll take 50 bucks. If I lose it, I'm done. As soon as I'm ahead, I'm done. I'm like, oh, I made 20 bucks. I'm done. Stop playing. You purely look at like an investment.

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I made my, I made my return. I'm out of here. I'm out. I'm out. I'm not playing anymore. I was like, why did you keep playing? Because I'm done. Stop playing. You purely look at like an investment. I made double my return. I'm out of here.

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I'm out. I'm not playing anymore. I was like,

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what did you keep playing? Because I made money. Why would I keep playing?

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I used to get so angry, like, and would find the dealer that would keep beating me. And it was like, no, I'm going to get this guy.

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Competitive. Yeah, I'm competitive. And that did not work. They love you. They love a guy like that. I stopped doing that. Trust me. Anger betting. I'm sure that's a bad strategy for that stuff.

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I'm excited. So I look forward to seeing everybody. It is live. I just sent over a message. It's mindpulive.com where you sign up. Yeah.

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First question is from Connor CGS PERSON. Is just weightlifting three times a week good enough for overall health and longevity? Also, does just weightlifting affect your cardiovascular health in any way? Absolutely.

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I mean, first off, any-

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It's more than that.

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Any form of exercise then appropriately will improve your longevity and your health.

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Okay, so that's true for all forms.

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But resistance training is quite unique in its adaptations, and how those adaptations are beneficial for the struggles of modern life,

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right? So strength training uniquely speeds up the metabolism or has a tendency to do so.

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So that gives you a buffer against just the access to food that we have in modern societies. It encourages muscle building far more than other forms of exercise. I think that's quite obvious. And that is protective against being sedentary, which modern life is extremely sedentary. Even if you work out every day for an hour,the odds are that most of the day, the rest of the day is quite sedentary. So it's very protective against that. Muscle is also naturally insulin sensitive. So if you want to improve insulin sensitivity, which is very important for things like brain health,you know, preventing yourself from getting things like diabetes. Like it's a very uniquely positioned form of exercise for longevity when you place it in the context of modern life. And three days a week of strength training is plenty for most people, for all those things.Two days a week, in fact, is plenty for most people for all of those things. Now, as far as cardiovascular health is concerned, yeah. I mean, one easy way to raise your V-O-2 max is to build muscle. Now, the challenge is that we look at the extreme forms of performance of different forms of exercise, and we look at them as examples. So people tend to look at bodybuilders,but it's extreme performance is always counter longevity. I don't care what you do. I don't care if it's endurance. I don't care if it's strength or whatever. When you get to those extreme levels, you start to trade longevity for performance. But for when it's done in an appropriate way, you're not pushing yourself to be a 250 pound shredded bodybuilder or whatever. It's incredible. And the studies show heart health benefits.

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They show visceral body fat benefits. They show, you know, reduced mortality, significant reduced mortality. In fact, some studies suggest that strength training actually be a superior form of exercise for cardiovascular health. There's confusion around endurance

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in cardiovascular health. So if you're looking for like running endurance, you'll get more of that running than you will strength training. But in terms of health and longevity,

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strength training is it.

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Especially if you follow the way we've laid out, especially the first three core programs, mass

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anabolic maps performance and maps aesthetic. Each one of those has a phase three or phase four in performance that is got supersets, shorter rest periods, and in each one like levels that up. So you get a little bit of that and maps anabolic even with just some of the supersets. And then performance really starts to ramp that up. And then aesthetic has got a lot of superset and volume that can be very taxing and beneficial from a cardiovascular with it by shortening rest periods up and increasing reps you that heart will get pumping and that's all cardiovascular is strengthening the heartlike training the heart right and doing by doing that weights, you get a lot of those benefits. And to Sal PERSON's point, your heart's beating, it's pounding.

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Yeah. You know, it's, you're getting cardiovascular benefit. And you can even, yeah, specifically focus on that with weight training and with a protocol that's a little more endurance focused. And so it's like, you know, you could extend those reps to 20 reps. And man, is that an experience on its own? I guess the differentiating factor is like, you know, if I'm specifically trying to increase my endurance of running, right? And this is where

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it's like, yes, we're going to, we're going to move you over into figuring out like a running schedule where we can build that skill specifically, but then complement it with weight training.

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Next question is from Polly ProperPol PERSON. Where do you classify lunges? They aren't in the Big Five, but I'd love some insight into the value of them and their variations.

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One of the most valuable exercises you do are split stance squats. Lunges are split stance squats and when I say that now everybody's like oh it's it's it's part of the big five a lunge is extremely valuable uh both in the stabilization stabilization of the back leg and the the pushing off with the front leg it's one of i would put it in one of the top 10 exercises uh you could do uh overall for your body so where would we put them?I mean, it's up there with some of the best exercise. Top 10, you know, somewhere up there. In fact, some coaches, athletic coaches, would place them above squats. Yep. For athletic performance because they're more closely related to running.

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Well, I think there's like an easier way to, I think, look at this. But I guess it does take a little bit more understanding of, you know, exercises is we talk about the big five. Within the big five are lots of variations of those big fives. And so any of the variations of those big fives are incredible and would be considered up there in top exercises.

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So you have like barbell squat, you have front squat, you have overhead squat, you have split stand squat, which would be a lunge, right? Those are all within there.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So that, so it would categorize as as one, it would fall in the category of one of the top five, even though it's not considered the top five exercises as how valuable it is. And I, you know, I guess, again, following our programs, if you've followed the traditional maps, and a ball, maps performance, maps aesthetic,we intermittently introduce all those.

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Lundges are pretty stable on most of our programs.

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They are pretty stable. And the thing is to, they all have different, I guess, enhanced values. If I was to say for, like a backloaded squad, it's the loading factors. It's the fact that I can really, you know, load the bar and I can I can be concentrated on the factthat I'm, you know, challenging my entire body that way. Whereas with lunges, I'm a little bit more focused on stability, control, and also building up strength around having that split stance, which you're going to find in most scenarios, just in life in general, also sports. Like, you're going to be in a split stance position. How can I generate force in that split stance position?It's, that's very valuable. And that's why you do see some coaches like prioritized lunges or split squats even more because, uh, to be able to generate force in that and have strength in that position, uh, is massively beneficial. Yeah, you'll see like when I'm, um, when I'm like in growth mode, build mode, get strong mode, uh, bilateral squats is like the foundational movement when talking about these two, right? When I'm in, get strong mode, bilateral squats is like the foundational movement when talking aboutthese two, right? When I'm in mobility, stability type of mindset, I love lunges because I love to do like a walking lunge, really stretch the stride out, really drive the knee over the toe, even have a little bit of a balance in between the steps. So I have a little bit of instability there. So when I'm like focused on stability, mobility and things like that, I'm going to make like there's going to be lunges for sure in the routine. And then when I'm trying to really build a lot of strength and load and build and pack onmuscle, and when I say that, it doesn't mean one of those, doesn't do that for the other. It's just that that's the mindset, right? When the mindset is like build, grow, heavy bulk, I'm like, I'm bilateral heavy barbell back squatting for sure, and that's the staple. And but when I'm like focused on my mobilityand range of motion and stability, like lunges becomes way more of a priority because I don't care

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that I just went through a phase of loading the barbell super heavy. Now this phase I'm going to go through really stretching out the strides and the lunge and stability and things like that. And so that's kind of how I determine how much of the lunge or squat is being focused on in my

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routine. Next question is from Marina lifts ORG. Why is the body so stubborn to respond to a calorie deficit after a long reverse diet?

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It depends what I'm talking to. And Doug PERSON, I want you to pull this person up because I want to look at them before I answer this question because there's a couple, there'll be a couple reasons for this. One, if we're dealing with someone who is, you know, gain and lost weight many times, and they've lost a lot of weight, you know, there's a theory that the body kind of remembers where they're at. And so it could be more resistant to getting rid of stored energy because of the stress that it's been through in the past, through this process.And so it can take a little longer. The other type of person is somebody who when they, yeah, what this is this is the person. So scroll down, Doug PERSON. More. Okay. So the other person is they get stubborn once you get down to a certain body fat percentage because you're lean. Yeah. And once you get lean and for women, there's a range here, same like there is for men. But once you get to a certain body fat percentage, your body starts to resist it because you're already lean. Especially as a woman. Especially as a woman. A female body is far more sensitive to gettingtoo lean than the male body. Male body is sensitive to a two. Don't don't get me wrong. But the female body always has fertility in mind and always has, you know, we may need to bear, you know, we need to carry a child and we need to be healthy enough to do so. Not having enough body fat. That's like a bad position to be in if you're pregnant and you don't get enough food or something happens. So, and that's this person here. I can

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see this right now. I can also tell by her, her body type too. So I have a client friend of mine that

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I'm always helping. I mean, she's fit and lean. Oh, she's incredibly lean. She has abs. She has incredible shoulders, arms, legs. I mean, she's built. Like, she's got a great physique. Um, but I can tell by her body type, she's, she's built very similar to my ex and the client that I was referring to where they pack on muscle good. It's really hard for them to get super shredded and lean. And that's just, it's your body type. Your body type can build. That's your advantage. Your advantage is you've got a great,great genetics for building muscle. Your body doesn't want to be this tiny, petite little lean, skinny person. Yeah. Once you get down to like 18, 17% body fat starts to fight.

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Yeah. Which is lean, by the way. That's really lean. That's really lean. Most women would be like,wow.

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Yeah.

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It's just, it's just going to fight you. I mean, it's so hard to, um, especially as an older, wiser trainers today,to help clients like this when you know like what's best for them, right? And then, but you hear them out on what they want, right? And this is the struggle I have with this client that I'm kind of like referring to is like, you know, this girl's just like, she's jacked.She's strong as shit. She looks amazing. But she's like, I want to be, you know, bikini stage shredded, you know? And I'm like, why? Why? You're so strong.You're so fit. You look so great. And yet you want to just keep pushing that to push it. And then I understand the competitive side of when I do that. So there's the part of me that's like kind of helping her go that direction. But meanwhile, always kind of reaffirming like you look great.You're unbelievably healthy right now. And what you're wanting to do is you're wanting to push beyond healthy for this, for this look for whatever reason, whether it's to get on stage or.

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I've worked with guys like the two where they're like, oh, man, what is it? Like every time I get down to 10% or 9% body fat, it's like my body's so stubborn. I'm like, what, you're lean, bro. Like once you get down to a certain body fat percentage, your body starts to fight it. And that number is different from person to person.There's a range. But, you know, once you get down to a certain body fat percentage, your body will start to resist it. And you can push past it. And now you're going past healthyand now you're starting to move into a territory where you start to have the kind of these unintended consequences or these side effects. So that's what's happening with this person that asks this question. Your body's resisting because you're down to a good body fat percentage and maybe you shouldn't push past it.

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Next question is from Lift to Live. What direction or challenges is mind pump going or facing as a company?

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Nothing is more challenging than Sal PERSON. I knew it. I was waiting for this.

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I did that on purpose.

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I know that.

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This is clear in the air.

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You know, I don't know.

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This is, we're all at a really interesting point.

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And I think in our lives and in the business.

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In fact, we recently have this exercise that we're all doing as homework that we haven't

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come together and done, which is in five years, what's your dream, dream situation, everything

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financially, time spent on work, time spent with family, like, you know, what the company,

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what it looks like, the size of it, the businesses you're running.

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And so we've all actually tasked ourselves to do this exercise. So it's an interesting one to think about on the direction. I mean, one thing's for sure. We'd love to do the podcast. We'd love to create content and help coaches and trainers. I don't know if we'll ever stop doing that.I think we're all very motivated to continue to reach more. Like we're always trying to reach more coaches and trainers. I don't know if we'll ever stop doing that. I think we're all very motivated to continue to reach more. Like we're always trying to reach more coaches and trainers. We're trying to align with companies like the NASMs and 24 hour fitnesses and stuff like that to try and influence even more of the trainer market. I think that's probably something that we probably would all agree on is a big, you know, looking forward, like that's different than what we've already kind of been doing a lot is getting really more into helping coaches and trainers. And that was the purpose of launching the trainer

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coaching program. By the way, we have a live, free live training that's up right now for them.

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Yes. Yes. What's the link to that, Do you have that? It got sent over from Steve PERSON.

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Mind Pump ORG. Oh, for the, yes. The free training that we did. Yeah. Yes, it's, oh, the free one is mind pump trainer course.com. Yeah, so it's a free training for trainers. Now, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, the responsibility

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that I think we all feel towards our audience is, is massive. But when you take that audience and then you

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carve out the subset of the audience that's trainers, the responsibility is, I mean, it's exponentially bigger because we were trainers.

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We were trainers. We identify with the challenges and struggles that coaches and trainers go through.

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We know what the passion feels like. We still have it. And then we know the just the,

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the incredible feeling of accomplishment and how rewarding it is

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to really transform somebody's life in a positive way through health and fitness so the

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responsibility that we all feel on our shoulders when we talk to trainers and coaches is like

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it's it's it's crushing it's like we want to do such a good job and we really want to help

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these people do a good job and really it's like, I mean, if you make the trainers in the world better or you help direct them in a direction that helps them become more effective, like you have shifted the industry.

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You have really helped people. I think that's our focus because we want to equip good personal trainers and coaches out there to relay a lot of what we talk about on the podcast and to, you know, have those really individualized, personalized touches with, with real life people. And I think, I feel like, you know, going to these live events and we were able to see that a little bit, you know, temporarily and kind of see the impact, like some things we talk about and what people get from it.But in terms of, like, us as a business, I think that that's a big new area for growth. We're still looking for areas of growth. I just don't think that we're cool with it. You know, we're here and we've arrived and end of story, you know, and I just don't feel like any one of us has that as our

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formula. You know what I love about this conversation? This is behind the scenes, right? We'll have conversations about the business and always revenue profits. It's always a part of the conversation if you're a business, right? That's what keeps things going. But it always, it starts there and then it always turns into purpose.Like, oh, this will make money or this will make more money or which decision do we make? Sometimes the decisions are really hard to make. Like, do we accept this revenue here, which is guaranteed, which is a big number? Or do we take a chance over here where there's nothing guaranteed and we're going to start from scratch and it's a big risk? But, oh, man, like the purpose behind them, the meaningfeels different. And so I love this. I love that we tend to always, we always have responsibility.

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We always have these discussions.

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We always end up going with the one that feels right.

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We don't go with the option that makes more money always. It's always the one that feels right. And that's always worked out better.

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Yeah, I think the other variable that we have that's unique's always worked out better yeah i think there the other variable that we have that's unique uh to like just i think currently where everybody's at in their life is also the the the balancing act of that with your your home personal goals too right so it's like it's like

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you have obvious the obvious business stuff like you're alluding to which is you know revenue purpose the why behind the business and then you also alluding to, which is, you know, revenue, purpose, the why behind the business. And then you also have the understanding that all of that takes time, effort, money, responsibility. And it comes with that as challenge, stress, hurdles, setbacks, possible loss. And then balancing that with like, you know, fatherhood, being a husband, being around family, your home life. And so, and we're all at a place, I think, in our life where, you know, that it's, we won't sacrifice that. And so, you know, strategically staying aligned with our why and our purpose and doing what we love while simultaneously not sacrificing the thing that we know is far more important to all of us.

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Because we have, even though to Justin PERSON's point that we're not type of people to be like, oh, we've arrived, we're good. From a financial standpoint, everyone did. Everyone's in a place. Most everybody was in a pretty good place before, mind pump. But everybody is okay now as far as their family is going to be okay forever and everything like that. And we did a good job early on of setting the business up that way.And so then you question your, we also have to add in that equation, you know, what does, what takes from this in order to do that? And so it, you know, it's a fun challenge. It's a fun challenge and a fun thing to question and try and solve. It's a constant discussion.

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Yeah.

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I think that it's a good one. Yeah, it's good to have these discussions because, you know, you want to be driven. You want to have purpose and you want to find the opportunities, you know, throughout this whole journey.

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And so that's, I mean, I'm always just kind of looking for that. Like I don't want to get complacent and feel like, you know, throughout this whole journey. And so that's, I mean, I'm always just kind of looking for that. Like I don't want to get complacent and feel like, you know, especially to like having the platform we have and being able to reach people in a way. It's, it's, to me, I see a lot of opportunity with, you know, the preventative side of just not just fitness, but health in general, right? And so seeing how things are moving

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a little bit more in that direction is kind of exciting. Last night we had a dinner with other founders and one of the things that came up and I don't even know if this is true, but I speculated that we have reached a point where and one of the advantages of getting to where the business is at currently is having three other badass founders and leaders together in one thing, right? So that was a huge advantage for us to be able to have other great entrepreneurs like that we could divide and conquer and scale all these things all at once. But there is this feeling of we're close to being maxed out as individuals.And if we're going to take this thing to a whole other level or add another complexity to it, a layer of complexity, needing not just employees or other people that work for us, but finding other potential leaders who actually can create, can troubleshoot, can overcome that have the same desires align with ours if we're, if we're going to do that. And so that's a bit of a challenge we're facing right now.

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And then the other challenge, Doug PERSON still hasn't gotten his diamond shoes. He's always wanted.

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We'll get you those diamond shoes, Doug PERSON.

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Okay, Sal PERSON, your little diamond shoes. So you can run around.

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It teaches you about peptides, the most popular ones, how they work, who they're for, who they're not for, their names and all that stuff. It's pretty cool stuff. Again, it's Mind Pumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. Justin PERSON is at Mind Pump, Justin. I'm at Mind Pump Media and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam. Thank you it's mind pump free.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump, Justin. I'm at Mind Pump ORG Media and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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