BFB #483: Philip Rivers' Influence on the Denver Broncos Selecting Bo Nix

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You're listening to Broncos for breakfast with Nick Kendall and Scott Kennedy PERSON.

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Welcome in, welcome in.

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It is the first of May. It's Wednesday morning. Welcome in Broncos ORG country. There is Scott PERSON right now. So he didn't miss very much. I am Nick Kendall. And there is Scott Kennedy PERSON. Scott literally just starting had to pull up the quotes from the Adam Schepter podcast and put him on a Google Doc.They do a translate thing now from a podcast. So a little bit easier to pull the stuff. Although, of course, you can't pull as much as you'd like to give you the ellipsis at the end. So not as easy as you'd want. But how you doing? How did things wrap up there on the Falcons show? You're ready to talk some more Pacific Northwest LOC quarterbacks.

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Yeah, it was a lot of, as you said before, it seems like a strange year to finish off the Pact 12 when it had maybe its best year in like 25 years across the whole. And it wasn't just, you know, one team, but it was multiple teams, multiple quarterbacks, multiple players. But not USC ORG.

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Not USC ORG though. Really odd to see USC.

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Yeah, but they saw Caleb Williams. I mean, they're still in the news because they got the number

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one overall pick. Yeah. Man, what a, uh, really, what a, what a travesty to have that caliber of

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quarterback and put up what they had around him on the defense and the offensive line.

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But it's pretty rare. You talk about a quarterback from USC ORG and be like, yeah, they probably will have a better supporting cast in the NFL ORG comparatively. But we'll see. I think, I mean, not to get too immediately down the college football path here, Scott PERSON. But I'm on Lincoln Riley PERSON watch right now because if you can't recruit in the trenches,the way they're doing right now, I don't know if it's a California thing, although UCLA ORG doesn't seem to be having an issue there as much. But yeah, it's a, I don't know if it's going to work for Lincoln Riley at USC ORG if they're as bad up front along the lines of scrimmages they showed the last two seasons.

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Well, you start talking, you make me think Matthew Stafford, Detroit ORG lines, we said, oh, what a travesty to have a quarterback that good. You know, Archie Manning PERSON, let's go way back, the New Orleans Saints. You know, I talked about when Sean Payton PERSON was, was higher. Oh, you only won one Super Bowl with Drew Breeze. I'm like, all right, Archie Manning, you remember him pretty good, right? He had like a 300 winning percentage in New Orleans GPE. I mean, that's how bad New Orleans was before Sean Payton PERSON got there. What's interesting, though,is how people will start to turn and start to blame the quarterback over a certain amount of time. And Caleb Williams, oh, he's a bust. It's his fault. Matt Ryan, Choker PERSON. Let's not mention the fact that they haven't had a defense. Again, Matthew Stafford PERSON. Oh, he went to L.A. He's actually pretty good.Funny how those narratives start to change a little bit.

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Yeah, quarterback far and away the most important position in football,

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one of the most important in all is sports, Scott PERSON.

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But you still need the team around them at the end of the day to reach the mountain top. And reaching the mountain top is everybody coming in here. Let's say a load of folks. Don't see any super chats yet, so they don't love us, but they like us enough to come in and say hello.We got, of course, David Youngkin coming in, says morning, everyone.

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Good to see you, David PERSON.

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Michael came in with stars the icebreaker.

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Michael Ronquillo coming in and says, good morning. Nick and Scott, I'm Broncos for breakfast. Go Broncos. Good morning to you as well. And then Oblivion Empire following us over from the Falcons podcast. So he's just a fan of Nick PERSON is what it boils down to. And I came in so quick. I haven't changed my Albert Knoppers PERSON mailbox yet. So we'll do that here for everybody. He says, let's go. Have a great show, guys. Smash the like guys. Bron guys bronco up just be careful you can't say broncos NORP nation around here be real careful but it's funny

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someone's like well is it what is it like falcons NORP countries a falcon's nation i'm like i don't think anybody

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cares nobody knows it's just yeah rise up no they do care around uh broncos NORP country for sure um

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thank you so much oblivion and and Michael coming in with support.

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We got Todd in the house and morning, everybody.

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Good to see.

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We got Donald Willison coming in, said, good morning, everyone. So why has Bo PERSON become such a lightning round in a lot of conversations? I find it would be a nice change from the self-important flashy. Look at me types. It's because a lot of folks did not identify him as a quarterback worthy of the 12th overall pick. But, you know, that's going to play itself out, right? Scott PERSON, I mean, at this point,we, it's everybody kind of, you know, their opinions on it. But the opinion that, the opinion that mattered is the Broncos ORG Brass and the Sean Peyton, of course. And we're the only way to change that opinion is to have games played. And not just, you know, one or two, but probably 8, 10, 16, 20 before we can really solidify those takes. But it's one of those things. I mean, I'd said it 100 times during the blip that was the Drew Locke PERSON era.You know, we can debate until the cows come home, but the only way this is going to be solved as if time passes and we can look back with a retrospect, retrospective analysis, not to be too on the nose of my epidemiological background there. But time's going to show itself whether it was the right pick or not.

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Yeah, two points on this. Appreciate you coming in, Donald PERSON. If most of the people doing draft prognostications have Bonix in the 30s and you take him at 12, that's going to say it's an overdraft. Sean Payton is arrogant. There's no doubt aboutthat. I've told you all that before he was hired. I'll tell you that after he's hired. You know it too. This was called an arrogant pick by Todd McShay PERSON. I disagree with that a lot, actually,for several reasons. One, because it was an obvious pick. How could it be an arrogant pick if it's an obvious pick because you needed a quarterback so bad and Bo Nicks can play quarterback. He's a really good quarterback. It makes total sense. Would I have wanted him in a vacuum as high as 12 CARDINAL? No, we're not drafting in a vacuum. You're coming off of a really bad arrow. What would have been arrogant, Nick PERSON, was trading the freaking farm for a quarterback. That would have beenarrogant, thinking that I don't need Pat Sertan and two first round draft picks to win. All I need is a quarterback because I'm Sean Payton PERSON. That would have been arrogant. That would have been stupid. They didn't. They held it 12, kept their picks, got a quarterback of the future. Good job.

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Yeah, I will say that there is a level of, you mentioned it, he is arrogant. There is an arrogance of I know best, I know better. My scheme is so good that I don't need XYZ to have a Hall of Fame quarterback. And I mean, Drew Breeze wasn't, X, Y, Z to have a Hall of Fame ORG quarterback. And, I mean, Drew Brees PERSON wasn't, you know, big by any means. He wasn't an incredible athlete. He didn't, I think there's a little bit of, what's it called,recency bias in terms of the arm talent conversation with Drew Brees PERSON, because he could spin it coming out of Purdue ORG. There's a reason that some people that I really respect compared Caleb Williams to Drew Breeze. And Drew Breeze had an arm. He did not at the end, kind of like Peyton PERSON didn't at the end.But those guys could push the ball.

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Scott clearly, Sean Payton did not want McCarthy or Pennix PERSON.

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Bonex PERSON was their guy? No, I'm not buying this. Just because unless you pass on a guy, you don't know. I don't care what they say.

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Watch what they do. Until you pass on a player and choose one over the other, the Indianapolis

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Colts clearly wanted Edger and James over Ricky Williams. Clearly. The Washington ORG commanders

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Oh, Michael Pennix and J.J. McCarthy were not available when the Broncos ORG picked. Now, does that make it clearly? No, it doesn't. I know what they've said after the fact. The same thing they all say after the fact. We got our guy. We love him.

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This is why.

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So no. Does that matter? No, it doesn't. Doesn't mean a hill of beans. All that matters now is what you make do with Bo Nix PERSON.

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Yeah, absolutely. I will say, Scott, there's a lot of evidence that would suggest that after the first three came off the board, Denver was on Knicks in comparison to the two listed there. We've seen videos and things put out there with the Falcons on eight and Broncos ORG aren't calling up. As soon as those top three are off the board, they're not trying to move up. We saw the Jets release video today with the 10th overall pick. You have the Raiders, I think the Rams, somebody else, Seahawks ORG maybe also trying to come up. And Denver ORG's not on the phone trying to move up.It's actually Minnesota with the Jets ORG. Atlanta, also trying to move up to 10. I think we didn't talk about that as much as I'd like to, Scott PERSON on the show. I think it was for a lot to. But that's a different conversation. Denver wasn't, as soon as those top three came off the board, they weren't trying to move up.And I said it on last night's show, given what the Vikings offered and was shot down for number three overall. I'm glad that Denver didn't move up for me because there's a level of just the risk associated with a 12th pick is still a premium.

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I didn't see what was reported that a premium. I didn't see what they what was reported they offered. You didn't see it.

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It was it was 11 for the for the Vikings ORG.

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1123 and it's 2025 probably. 2025 first. And a I think another day two pick for for three overall and I believe a fifth.

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So that is a. It's what we expected. That is what we fifth. So that is a huge.

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That is what we expected.

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That is what we expected.

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And we didn't expect the Broncos ORG to,

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the only way the Broncos were going to try and beat that was with 12,

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a 2025 and Pat Sartan. Yep.

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And that's too much. That's way, way, way too much for an unknown. Especially for a team that on paper, I mean, Vegas has them at five and a half wins. That 2025 first is something I do not want to give up. Now that you have your quarterback as well, we open up the board for my favorite spot. I cannot.I'm already looking forward to 2025 draft, the defensive line talent. On paper at this point, we'll see how it plays out, of course, but there are some first off the bus kind of defensive line guys in the next class that got me. Nick PERSON, I worked in the recruiting business slash,

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you know, NFL ORG draft business for a long time selling subscriptions. Yeah. What kind of psycho buys a

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subscription to find out about high school kids and recruiting?

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Well, it turns out there's a lot of them. And I said, we cater my business caters to the lunatic fringe of college football. And I can say that with a clear conscience because I am head lunatic. Yeah. The fact that you're already looking forward to 2025 cements that. You are nuts.That's okay.

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Yeah.

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That's why we're here. Lawrence PERSON, yo, yo, yo. Good to see you. And I want to Yeah. That's why we're here. Lawrence PERSON, yo, yo, yo, good to see you. And I want to talk about Michael Rankio as well. He says, Bo Nix PERSON is my quarterback. He's coming in with 5,000 stars.What does that mean?

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That means if he was over on YouTube ORG, it would have been hot pink.

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When we talk about colors like Troy coming in with that Broncos ORG orange, it would have been flashing hot pink. It flashes up here. Big boy stars for Michael Rankio and the Broncos for Breakfast ORG podcast. Thank you, my friend. Troy following up with that orange super chat on YouTube. He says, hey guys, seems like spending on undrafted free agents is a place having rich owners can make a small but maybe significant over timedifference. Also seems like Allen, Franklin Myers, Roach and Jones PERSON is an upgraded DL. Have a great show. I think that's where you've upgraded in the immediacy. You have improved the most in the offseason on the defensive line, which was where you needed to improve the most to get better from one year to the next.

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Yeah, I think that you can include Edge PERSON in that spot as well, adding Ellis PERSON to the room overall should raise the room's talent. You still, I don't think, have a, is there a single pro bowler in the lot, let alone all pro type? I think Alan PERSON maybe has that potential considering how young he is still,still kind of figuring out the four-eye, three-four defensive end stuff, where he came from Boston College, more seven technique, a little of figuring out the four-eye, three, four defensive end stuff, where he came from Boston College ORG, more seven technique, a little bit more seven-technique stuff with Arizona ORG as well beforehand. There's potential there.I will say that outside, you know, their first couple seasons in the league, John Franklin Myers and DJ Jones are coming off their worst seasons since the years that got them the big contracts and the start of their big contracts.So we're on watch there for decline. But yeah, it definitely should be a better room. And I'm still hoping for the Broncos to add another 320 plus pound nose tackle to the room. I saw that. Nate Ellis, the defensive tackle brother, was released 6-4-340 or something like that from the Eagles ORG as well. I mean, you got Blackson PERSON right now as your nose tackle body, so to speak.I think you have some reps there. We can have DJ Jones, but that's not where he's best, Scott PERSON, as that, you know, eating up double team guy. So maybe you can still have another defensive tackle. There's a lot, or nose tackle. There's a lot of conversation before day two that, uh, Denver ORG really would have been happy with sweat.He went fast. Um, so that didn't happen. But I do think there's a chance. You still might add another nose tackle there. The spot for me on the line, you have great depth at edge, but I don't see a number one at edge either.But hey, again, back to the 2025 draft. Uh, you, there's going to be a chance to get some Avenger PRODUCT types along the line of Denver's picking as high as Vegas ORG expects them to.

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Two points on this one real quick before I forget them. He asked about UFAs ORG. To me, UFAs ORG is more about scouting than it is your ownership having money to pay an extra $10,000 because that's really what it boils down to.

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These guys are all billionaires. Great point. So really it's more about what is your history, what is the opportunity,

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how good is my scouting department? If I'm an undrafted free agent, the Denver Broncos ORG call me and I look back and I say, okay, well, they had one last year who contributed. They had one year before that, it contributed. They had one year before that they contributed. I like that the Denver Broncos ORG are cover me. That to me is more about scouting. I also think I want to add to that,

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Scott PERSON, real quick. We're so good at interrupting each other. It's about the ability to recruit and the interpersonal relationships too, because it is recruiting at that point. Let's be real. And if you have a coach who hit it off with the player or if you have a relationship with that player's agent, sometimes they'll funnel them to that point. So yes, it's nice. You can throw a few extra dollars there.But as you mentioned, identifying the proper talent there in scouting, as well as being able to recruit these guys is, I think, bigger than that extra little bit of cash.

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And all of what I talked about, the identification and being able to show the path and the success, that's all recruiting. That's all part of recruiting is, why these guys, five stars, keep going to Alabama GPE, just to wait in line? Because they win national champions. You come to first round draft picks. You show a clear path for them.A little money.

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Alabama GPE wasn't the only one paying players, though.

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I know that.

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I know that.

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But, you know.

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And going back, the second point on this one was because

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Brandon PERSON came in with some stars that fell right into what you were talking about, about the defensive line in the

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edge room. He says, thank you for the stars. He says, good morning, guys. What do you think the pecking order

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will be at edge this year? I'll go first. I think you're, you're still talking Jonathan Cooper PERSON and

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Baron Browning PERSON. Who am I forgetting?

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I mean, you sign Franklin Myers PERSON, but is he an edge or is he more of an opposite Zach Allen PERSON type?

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He played a lot of seven technique for the Jets and then reduced inside to 4i3 CARDINAL technique.

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Yeah, yeah. So he's another DL, not he's, he's versatile and would love the fact that he's good against a run.

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But I think, oh, and then Ellis PERSON, I guess is who you're talking about.

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Does he come in? I don't think he comes in right away and takes a job from Cooper or Browning PERSON.

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I think that the real star of the room based on last seasons, again, Star PERSON is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. But Benito PERSON was probably your most valued piece. And you're going to try, I mean, he made a huge step from his rookie season to year two. Scott, in my opinion, year one. I mean, hardly saw the field, didn't really look like he knew what he was doing. And the discipline in the run defense was not great.And that's never going to be his game. But I think it's something that he can continue to improve on. And he's super twitched up explosive. His ability from A to B is the best in the Broncos ORG front, I think without question. So we're looking at that.I also think you mentioned Browning and Cooper, Scott PERSON. I would be pretty surprised.

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So let me predict.

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I don't think one of those guys is going to be here.

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I just don't.

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I mean, we've seen Denver ORG do this a few times. The room is really crowded now. They talked about Drew Sanders' PERSON role as well. I think you're going to end up trading one of Cooper or Browning PERSON. And then it's probably Benito on the other side with Ellis PERSON,a chance to emerge. You also have Sanders and In Coomuhm PERSON in that room as well. I just think it's a little crowded. And with how the contracts are set up with Cooper and Browning PERSON, set to be free agents next year, for sure you're not keeping both those guys.If you can get a, again, you flip a, let's say, Cooper and a seven for a 20-25 fifth. That's something I think, give the money off the books, reset the contract there, give yourself a chance, give Cooper a chance as well. I think that's something that's likely to happen.

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And you ask yourself,

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okay, what's the market for these guys?

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What's the market for Browning PERSON? And let's say, would they be good fits for an edge needy team? Well, just so happens. We know a really edge needy team. And would they, would Cooper and Browning be a fit on a team like the Atlanta Falcons ORG whoignored edge in the, in the draft? Maybe.

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Maybe. Braylon Trice. Yeah. Yeah. I'd give up a day three for Browning or Cooper. Sure.

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So they'll, they'll have a market. We weren't so sure on Malik Reed when he was going out. That was a no for the same question. And you spun him for a pick swap, I think. I think it was for a fifth. I think he did him plus the seventh for a fifth.

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It was it was a pick swap, though. It was a big swap. This one, I think you, you'd actually, I'd send you a day three straight up in this case.

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So Brandon PERSON, there's a lot of guys there, which means there's a lot of opportunity because I don't think anybody's entrenched.

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The only one that's safe is Ellis PERSON.

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Yeah.

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Because he's the rookie.

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Yep.

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So we will see what happens there.

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Again, it's a room full of, I think, good secondary options, but you don't have a

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true, you know, line him up. This guy is a problem. You have to account for him every snap.

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If he gets one-on-one and he's winning kind of guy. But that's, you know, teams outside of

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the quarterback position, that's the number one thing teams are looking for out there. Those true

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number one, if you leave him one-on-one, he's killing you type of pass rusher. Gary Palmer coming in, 499. Thank you so much,

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Gary PERSON, for the support. We appreciate you always coming in and leaving comments as well. We also got dope Keith Brugman coming in says we need to talk about last year's draft class. We need to see fit in production from MIMS,, and Moss, hopefully J.L. Skinner PERSON. Alex Forsyth has a chance to be a starter this season as well. We'll have a chance to talk about it, Keith PERSON.I think that's a little bit more once the dust settles. It's going to be a long off season, right, Keith PERSON? Once we get into, you know, June, July, it's happy May, everyone also. But we'll have a chance to look back into 2021, 2021, 2022, 2023 and start to have a little bit more solidified grades on a lot of these guys.I mean, even Scott, the 2023 class, it's too early to really judge them. You know, it's like you had your first test of the semester. You still have three more to go. You know where you sit with your grade, but it's far from a final grade, especially when you don't have premium selections. Yeah, the earlier returns weren't

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very good. You got a pro bowl returner on MIMS ORG. Okay, that's nice. That's not really why you drafted him and gave up direct picks to move up to get him. That's just gravy. You know, 300 yards, what do you have, 377 yards QUANTITY in a touchdown. You want more than that. Riley Moss, you didn't get much out of. So the early returns have not been positive. But as Nick PERSON said, the story's not written. It's first chapter. Yeah. Long way to go there. I do want to say a lot of

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Jeremy says morning boys speaking of former quarterbacks like Rivers. I wonder if Peyton Manning or Drew Brees will be a resource for Bo PERSON to reach out to. Seems like those guys, I mean, their time is obviously still very valuable. But given their connection to Sean Payton slash the Broncos ORG, they might make themselves a little bit more available for somebody like Bo Nix PERSON. But really, it's going to be the relationship with Webb, Sean Payton PERSON, that are going to be the relationship with Webb, Sean Payton, that are going to be the big ones there, in my opinion.But those guys, I mean, an hour or once a month or, you know, sitting down going through some tape, maybe a throwing session or something. I wouldn't be shocked at all if at some point in June or July, we hear that Bo Nix spent, you know, two days at the Peyton Manning PERSON compound going over tape and doing some

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throwing stuff. That wouldn't shock me one bit. I don't know for sure. I think they already have a relationship. Didn't he do Manning PERSON camp? Most of these guys have done Manning camps through

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the years. Yeah. The only guy that like the big quarterback I can think of, I mean, let's be we always talk about the volatility of quarterback prospects and whatnot, but all, almost all these guys were super recruits as well. And most of those guys go to the Elite 11 EVENT or the manning camp or something. I think the only one that didn't was J.J. McCarthy PERSON. I think Peyton PERSON mentioned that as well.It might have been because of the broken hand that McCarthy PERSON had coming out or something with, you know, Harbaugh is kind of an odd duck. Maybe Harbaugh didn't let him out of something to go down there and do that. But we'll see what happens with the Chargers ORG, man. He's, you know what Harbour is going to bring. Harbaugh is going to bring. So we'll see what happens with the Chargers, man. He's, uh, you know what Harbor PERSON is going to bring. Harba PERSON is going to bring.So we got Miguel also coming in and says, good morning. Now that the draft mortgage is paid and the cap mortgage will be paid next year. I think Denver ORG's on a great position to build around next through the draft. Next to the draft is a great start. I mean, really, Denver doesn't have a lot of bonus capital in 2025. Um, so they have a chance chance to build through the draft,but trying to maximize Nix's rookie contract with where Denver ORG's at, I think it's going to be more so through free agency. Scott, you have almost nothing on the books in 2026, which means next year in free agency, you can pay guys that almost cost nothing against the cap

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and that have the bigger cap hits down the line. I'm with Miguel PERSON on this one and I'll tell you why. Okay. Because let's say, all right, what's your season prediction for the year? I think it's going to be pretty similar to about eight and nine that it was, but it was last year. I think seven to nine wins make sense to me for this team. So let's say you're right there and you're picking in the 12 range again. I can go get an exciting prospect at 12 if the draft is anything like it was last yearwithout having to worry about quarterback that I don't expect to really come in and contribute right away where I would be excited about Roma Dunezay coming in at 9. If I had Dallas Turner coming in, if I had Laotu Latu, if I had Brock Bowers PERSON coming in. So Miguel PERSON, correct me if I'm wrong and I don't think I am. I'm excited about the draft picks that I will have moving forward, knowing that my biggest need is filled, so to speak, going in. So I'm looking forward to the draft again because I can get an impact player.I can get an exciting prospect because I got my quarterback. Now, in two years, you might be back in the quarterback market. You don't know, but right now, yes, I got a high pick. I got money. I'm excited. First round pick, maybe then 20s, but I got a first round pick.

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I got my first round pick. Didn't have to give it up. Didn't mortgage the future. And I got,

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I got, I got, I got capital coming in for 2025.

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Again, I just think given where you're at, you don't have extra capital. Scott, like if you had multiple first round picks, then yeah, okay, you can really build around quickly through the draft. But that's one player who is a real still a draft prospect. They are volatile. And not a for sure thing with how much resources the Bronco is going to have in terms of the rich ownership, how they can structure contracts. And again, where you still have a big dead cap hit next year,the way you can set up contracts is like you can pay guys almost nothing their first season on a contract. So Denver ORG is going to be for sure big time players, I think, on the market next season. You're going to have more immediacy return building around the three year window.

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We have a reason to be excited about the draft too.

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Yes.

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Not just, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Free agency is a little bit more on the nose in terms of the benefit of building around Bo PERSON necks.

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It's not a competition.

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It is. It is, Scott PERSON. I'm right about both Nick PERSON.

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Quit trying to piss on one of them.

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Nope, I'm going to piss.

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Oh, actually, well, I don't want to do anything. I don't want to get the, no comment on that one.

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But, yeah, I mean, heck, you know, I'm excited for 2025 draft already because there's probably 10 defensive guys.

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I'm, like, rubbing my hands for.

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Yeah. The defensive front guys next season. A couple cornerbacks, Luther Burden out of a Missouri ORG wide receiver and some really good offensive tackles as well. So not going to have the wide receiver class next year that we had this season. Probably not the volume of offensive tackles.Definitely not the quarterbacks. I don't know if you saw Shudor Sanders putting his foot in his mouth yesterday on Twitter as well. Come on, my guy. What's going on? But Troy Boer PERSON never puts his clear in his mouth.

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Just take the high road, man.

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I just, yeah, not great.

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You didn't have to do that.

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Troy comes at this. The thing is when I used to talk to, and he's older, he's in college. When I used I just, yeah, not great. You didn't have to do that.

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Troy comes at this.

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When I used to talk to, and he's older, he's in college, when I used to talk to kids, people used to love those quotes when, oh, the negative quote, I picked this team, so I want to say something negative about them.

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I used to protect them. I'm not going to turn two million fans of whatever team against an 18-year-old kid because he put his foot in his mouth. Not going to do it. Yeah. Just for clicks or for whatever. I will just ignore that. Well, they've gotdirect access to the world now and I can't stop you from doing that anymore. Yeah.

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Yeah. That was a mistake and he'll learn.

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I hope so.

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I hope so too. Because he's a talented kid.

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Yeah, you don't need to, you don't need to, if someone else is, you know, talking poorly about the X, you, he was a great teammate.

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I wish him luck moving on.

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Take the high road, man.

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Sometimes the best thing you can do is have no response and that kind of thing.

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You don't have, you didn't have to say anything.

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Troy Boer PERSON coming in says,

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speaking of relationships,

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I read that John Franklin Myers agent respected George Payton PERSON,

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so called him first when given permission to seek a trade.

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Yeah, Denver ORG obviously had a need for the position,

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the ability to bring him in. And I didn't hear about him calling first, but it makes sense. George Patent PERSON's a somebody has a lot of relationships in the league. He's been in the league for a while, well-respected individual as well. So that's great.John Franklin Myers PERSON should be a great addition to the defensive front. Again, I don't think he's going to be a transcendent talent, but you're going from Jonathan Harris to John Franklin Myers PERSON. That's a big step up on paper, Scott PERSON.

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Yeah, it's a free agent signing almost. You know, we call it a trade. It's like he didn't even give up anything for it. And you got him. That was a great deal. That was.It really was a great deal. Talk about fitting a need and not having to give up anything other than money for it. When you had money, that was a great signing. And again, the relationships on this one, it makes a big deal. And having the relationships within the league help, you know, it opens up options. You know, can I deal with this team? Can I deal with that team? You know, I don't think I can move down because I've beenaccused of tampering. It's, it's, the relationships, they're big. You don't want to be overly friendly, but you want to be able to work together as well. Jonathan Fallick PERSON coming in with a yellow super chat. Love it. Thank you, sir. He says, I dig more into Knicks ORG.I'm getting excited. He diagnoses info quickly and is surprisingly mobile. There's no surprise about it. When he was having trouble throwing the ball under Mike Bobo PERSON. He basically became an option quarterback. He is a good athlete, no doubt about it. You mentioned the possible trade from 12 to 20.It doesn't matter now, but curious what that would have been. Yeah, I think the trade was off the board when Atlanta took Pennix PERSON. Just gone. Now, we can't move. Let's hope that nobody jumps us to take the sixth quarterback.

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Yeah, what I heard was that it was a trade with the Eagles ORG. So it had been 12 to 22. And it was a pretty good deal as far as the capital back. But as you mentioned, I think Albert Rear put it out there that as soon as Pennix PERSON went off the board, Denver was like, well, Knicks ORG is our guy. We don't want to risk it.And I respect them for that process and sticking with their evaluation. If you identify as a quarterback as your head coach's guy, you probably shouldn't pussyfoot around by any means there. So, you know, I do respect that. And we'll see if the, I think the process is fine. We'll see how the evaluation plays out over time.As far as the surprisingly mobile, Scott PERSON, he's also the type of mobile that I like at quarterback to. You have Jayden Daniels PERSON, who's mobile as well, but he's rail thin. And a lot of times that athleticism doesn't lend itself to the passing game. It's more hit that backdrop. It's not there. I'm getting north and south, which to me is not as translatable.I also with how he kind of runs, he doesn't really protect himself. There's some cartoon hits out there from Jaden Daniels PERSON, which is just like, my God, dude, what are you doing? Bonix PERSON is sturdy. He's strong. It's not like he's, you know, Cam Newton, Anthony Richardson PERSON type of athlete's size power.But, you know, he's a good level. They're still all the same, sturdy build. And I'm really excited to see what the Broncos ORG can do. I think you're going to have a step back this season probably in terms of the red zone passing efficiency. And it's not because Bonix PERSON can't be good there.I mean, the best thing he did at the Senior Bowl this season, Scott PERSON, was that, I think it was day two red zone drills where he went like seven for seven or seven for eight or something, really good there. But the ability for Sean Payton PERSON to use some of the quarterback power stuff that he really like to use with Taysom Hill in that Bow Nix PERSON package. And that's, where is that really valuable? Third and short, goal to go situations where you are forcing, it's really a compact area. It's power football at the end.

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They have 400 rushes for

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1,600 yards and 38 touchdowns yeah he's you can run they're it's it's it's only so we won't get

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into that he's a good athlete and he's been a good athlete for a long time but my again my point is

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that he's a good athlete without it being a a fearful uh type of athlete.

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For me,

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the smaller, frail guys who play athletic and don't protect themselves, is that going to translate to the NFL ORG? Nix PERSON is sturdy,thick, built load of the ground, definitely a weight room guy, big hands. That's the type of athlete I'm looking for.And I would it be great if he was a little bit faster, a little bit more twitched up like Anthony Richardson PERSON kind of player? Yeah, of course. But then he would have gone higher, right? It's a different conversation there. But he's definitely athletes, when you make the scouting positives and negatives,strong athlete is one of the positive that's going to be on there without a doubt. The one and only Biggie Bronco PERSON. Biggie, it's been a second, man. Hope you're doing well. Biggie PERSON. It says if Bo Nix was in next year's draft class, he'd be the number one quarterback off the board.Maybe. I mean, you never know what another year would be like. J.J. McCarthy PERSON, if we said the same thing about McCarthy being younger, Nicks would be 25 at that point. He's still already the third oldest quarterback ever drafted. But I guess it's possible.Next year's draft class right now looks poor. I would say that Carson Beck PERSON, I think, is a really good quarterback prospect and a little bit more prototype Jared Gough PERSON-esque. That's not typically my type, but he can spin it. So I think it'd be a conversation with Knicks and Beck PERSON as profiles.But yeah, it's certainly possible. 2025 looks a little bit lesser. And I think that 2025 being lesser also has something to do with 2026 being a club. That we're really projecting there, Scott PERSON. But there's some big time recruits in that class.

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Biggie Bronco PERSON, if you believe this to be true, it doesn't really have anything to do with Bo Nix because it has to do with what you think of the 2025 class. Because Bo Nix PERSON as a prospect is as high as he's ever going to get. When you come out of the last couple of seasons when you're 24 years old, and you've had the season that he has, what, like 40,I'm going to say 45 touchdowns, three interceptions, he cannot do any more. He cannot have a better season. Oh, we want to see this. What could you possibly want to see from Bo Nix in another year in college where he would be up his stock? He can't do it.He's as high as a prospect that he was ever going to be. And if he was a junior, I would have told him to come out. Dude, come out. This is as good as it gets. So with his age, with his production, if you believe that he would have been the number one overall, that says more about the 2025 class than does about Bownix ORG.Bonix PERSON has maxed out his stock of where he was, just based on the tools, based on the production, based on the age. This was as high as the stock was ever going to be. That's not a negative. It's just the way it is. What else does he have to prove? It's one it is. What else does he have to prove?It's one of those. What else does he have to prove in college that would have improved his stock? Nothing.

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He's done.

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He's done it all in the college game.

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And what else does he have to prove?

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Well, it sounds like he really proved himself to the Broncos and Philip Rivers PERSON,

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Scott PERSON, over the, over the draft process. On the Adam Schaefter podcast that was released yesterday, he went into the conversation about the Broncos process with Bo Nix and how he went, worked with Philip Rivers PERSON. So it says on this, give me a second here, Scott PERSON. I got a few bits of read.Broncos, Bo worked with the Broncos, of course, and Sean Peyton PERSON, after the throw day, Sean Payton PERSON turned to the rest of his group to the rest of his travel party and said, did you all see what we saw? And they were like, yeah. And from that moment on, the Broncos were determined to go and pick Bo Nix PERSON. Now, Sean Peyton PERSON was calling around in the interim.And one of the people he called in advance was Philip Rivers PERSON. Obviously, everybody knows Philip Rivers PERSON, love him, hate him. I respect him. He's who was working with Drake May and Bow Nix down in Alabama GPE. And Philip Rivers PERSON was impressed by Drake May, but Philip Rivers was really impressed with Bow Nix PERSON.He's like, Sean PERSON, this guy can spin it. And Sean PERSON, this guy's bigger than I thought. And Sean PERSON, this guy's a better quarterback than I thought. So I think Sean Payton and the rest of the Broncos ORG were thinking, wait, wait, wait, Philip Rivers is working with this guy down here in Alabama GPE. And he sees what we see, which led him to go into the tape and break down all the throws even more.And by the time the draft, Sean Payton PERSON, Sean Payton felt the same, or Adam Schaeffer there, Sean Payton PERSON felt the same about Bo Nix that he did about Patrick Mahomes in the 2017 NFL ORG draft. Now, that doesn't mean Bo Nix is going to be Patrick Mahomes PERSON. Let's not get carried away. But he loved Mahomes in 2017 when the Saints were 11th and the Cheaps ORG leapfrogged him.Now in the draft, Sean Payton loved Bo Knicks like that, sat there at 12, was able to wait and get him. And now we'll see if Bonix can have the kind of career Sean Payton PERSON believes he can. Again, the work was done. The talent is there. He had the incredible private workout experience and the calls with Philip Rivers PERSON, all the research. And they felt like he was a good quarterback as any quarterback in this class. And that's going to be one of the fun storylines to watch here, the Denver Broncos and Bo Nix PERSON going forward. All right.

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I'm going to take the negative side of this, just based on some history because I've now heard this twice.

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Okay. I've heard this twice. The thought process is we talked about this on Monday was does there seem to be a disconnect in quarterback scouting

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when you've got 12 go in the top, you've got six go in the top 12, and then another one not going for another 150 picks? Is there really that big of a difference between these guys? Now, we hear Sean Payton PERSON didn't want to have the same mistake happen when they missed out on Patrick Mahomes PERSON. Make sure you get the guy.You know who else was in the room with Sean Peyton and New Orleans Saints when they missed out on Patrick Mahomes PERSON? Atlanta Falcons General Manager Terry Fontno PERSON was in the room when that mistake was made. And that has also been brought up as a justification for taking Michael Pennix at number eight overall. Seems to be some overcorrection, possibly.Only time will tell. We will find out, oh, no, I missed out on this. I better not miss out again. Time will tell. We'll find out.Yeah.

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Only time we'll tell.

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It's amazing how much Patrick Mahomes

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has influenced this draft.

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I mean, the NFL ORG as a whole, right? From scheme to the type of quarterbacks to the type of

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offenses, he is unfortunately right now looking like the NFL is a Michael Jordan PERSON era right now. But we'll see. Obviously things can change, especially when Andy Reid retires. But, yeah, no, Rivers worked with Nix PERSON, and he was blown away by Nix in the end. Now, that being said, the Broncos, it was revealed that, you know, we liked him like we like Patrick Mahomes PERSON. But Nix was apparently the third quarterback on Peyton PERSON's board. So what does that say about the other two guys they evaluated that they didn't get? But in the end, again, I come back to it. I'm not working with all the puzzle pieces.I don't get the private workouts. I can only evaluate the tape there at Oregon ORG with the age and the tangible traits. Those to me looked like a solid starting quarterback option. James Palmer did an interview. He called around the league. People were comparing him to Derek Carr style of quarterback. People were comparing him to Andy Dalton PERSON. People were comparing him to potentially Dak Prescott. Day two grades in the end, but that doesn't mean he's not. In hindsight, those would all be first round pick Scott PERSON. Maybe not Andy Dalton. The other ones would be. So, I thought Andy Dalton went at the back end of the first.

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Maybe I miss that one. Do you go top of the second? He was like pick 34 or something. It was the draft.

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He was at the senior bowl, I think the Cam Newton year. I just remember that.

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Yes. Yes. I think it was it was the Andrew Luck year. I just remember being there and I was asked about the quarterbacks that were there. I said, they're in the quarterback here that's

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going to make me forget that Andrew Luck isn't. That was a quote I remember saying back at the time. At least that's how I remember it. It was a 2011 draft. I think

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he went pick 34. And it was the year the Bengals, they took A.J. Brown in the first and then

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turned around in the second and took Andy Dalton PERSON and rode that. What did I say? You said A.J.

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Brown. Two great receivers, but A.J. Green. Those all remember because Julio Jones and AJ Green PERSON,

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we'd been following them since they were.

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Those two had been coming up and been comparisons

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since they were sophomores in high school.

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That was a fun time.

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And that class, that wide receiver class was pretty magical.

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Going over to the defensive side of the ball,

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Troy comes in with the Super.

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He says, how do you think the suddenly young and crowded

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defensive back room shakes out? I, we are on Riley Moss PERSON, roll watch, in my opinion,

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right now for what the defensive backfield looks like. Last season, he obviously was really good

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when he had a chance in special teams as a gunner. Now you're not traded up in the third round for a

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gunner, but at least he was making an impact on the field. And he had a chance in special teams as a gunner. Now you're not traded up in the third round for a gunner, but at least he was making an impact on the field.

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And he had a limited amount of reps as a defensive back,

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working back from a hernia. But when he did have reps, they were a box-esque dimebacker role. We saw a lot of that the last six weeks of the season, relatively. I mean, how often are you actually in six defensive back looks,dimebacker stuff? But that to me says that it's not just boundary cornerback stuff we're talking about here. We're also talking about potentially safety as well. The only two spots on, three spots on the defensive backfield. I feel good about the rules are, of course, Sartan, boundary cornerback, McMillan slot, and Joan PERSON safety. I think your boundary cornerback spot opposite, Certan PERSON is up for grabs. Probably Levi Wallace PERSON, but we'll see.And I believe the safety spot opposite Jones PERSON is up for grabs. I know you brought back PJ Locke PERSON. You have Caden Stearns PERSON here as well. If you can, he's the Greg Dulcich PERSON of that class. But the, I think there's a chance that it's a Locke versus Moss PERSON battle at safety, as well as a Moss versus Mathis versus Wallace PERSON battleat the other boundary cornerback spot. But they liked Moss PERSON enough to move up for him.

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Can you do that? Or do you have to kind of decide going in? Can you cross train the guys enough where you get an honest competition to say, okay, you're going to get a shot here, but if it doesn't work out, we're going to put you here.Do you really need to go into the camp knowing you're competing for one of the two spots?

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I think with considering what teams are asking of defensive backs now with the off zone coverage, the two deep safety stuff, you do need to be cross-trained to an extent unless you are a super niche kind of player. But I think Mathis and Moss PERSON, Moss PERSON's skill sets lend themselves to potentially finding a role at safety, nickel, or boundary with the tackling questions. I do think they can kind of like how a tackle,offensive tackle can fail outside to end the guard. I think you could have Moss slash Mathis PERSON fail on boundary their way closer to the line of scrimmage with the physicality.

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Into nickel into safety.

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Yep. Exactly. So again, some of the Moss PERSON stuff was people I've spoken with have said there's a chance that it's don't just write in PJ Locke PERSON as a for sure starting safety because there's a really good chance we have a Moss PERSON versus lock battle at safety.

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And I feel like the only two that are locked in, no pun intended, is, uh, is McMillan PERSON. He's got a spot. He's earned a role and, and then Jones PERSON. Jones PERSON. You paid him.

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Yeah.

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I mean Jones, and those three.

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Those, those three.

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And then the other two spots are open, cornerback two and, uh, and safety two.

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Yep. And Troy brings up, uh, J.L. Skinner PERSON. I don't think Skinner has the athleticism or range to be a six-round pick as well. I don't see the ability to be a true safety in the NFL ORG. But again, Moss last year played a dime back role. That's something that if Skinner PERSON can take over, given his frame length,and be that six defensive back, you know, that in the box safety type for those kind of roles, that's a fine return on investment, especially the special team stuff for a six-rounder. But that's, I don't think Skinner PERSON, I don't think Skinner PERSON ends up the safety.Now, granted, they didn't subject him to practice squad or anything last season. So we'll see what happens here. I guess you do have to toss out his name, but he feels further down the pecking order than those other guys.

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He feels odd man out if everybody stays healthy, but they won't. So, you know, does he end up being a practice squad guy and then watch Caden Stearns PERSON? Caden Stearns PERSON is kind of the wild card here. You can't necessarily count on him,but he's there. So if he plays his best, then he's got a role. And Moss PERSON, if, then he's, he's got a role. And Moss PERSON, if he plays his best, he's got a role. The ceilings on those guys are higher than someone like J.L. Skinner PERSON.

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Yeah, and I think Mathis struggled last season staying in phase. He was picked on a bit, but still a good athlete and played cover four at Pitt ORG. And a lot of times that cover four stuff, they do treat it more like a safety. I think he can trigger downhill physically tackling-wise as well. So we will see. There's going to be a battle there.I mean, set it on the shows many times. I don't think that the reason the Broncos ORG are poor this season is because of the offensive infrastructure. Now, it'd be great if we had a little bit more star power at the skill positions on offense. You know, difference makers out there, especially with a quarterback like Bo Nix PERSON, who can identify things pre-snap and be a Rajan Rondo type rather than an Alan Iverson type.It'd be nice to have a difference maker on the boundary, which I don't think we have. But Denver's, if Denver has a poor season this year, it's probably because the defensive talent is just not, you don't have difference makers up front and you have too many questions. But there's a lot of, a lot of battles to be had. Scott PERSON, how does the edge room shake out?What linebacker to opposite singleton, safety to cornerback to a lot of spots that are going to be worth monitoring OTAs in camp.

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Yeah, it's funny. You mentioned it's like, okay, the defensive talent isn't there, and we just raved about the upgrades on the defensive line. That's how poor it was last year. It's like not only were you outmanned, the guys that you were counting on didn't play all that well,except for Zach Allen PERSON. DJ Jones regressed, okay? DJ Jones should be better this year. He should. You're better across the defensive line. If depending on how much better you get,the defense can actually improve significantly over, especially statistically over the course of 17 games where it was pretty rough. And I will say,

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I mean, we'll have a chance to get into the offseason as well. But last season's defensive output was very much predicated. The turnaround was very much predicated on something that is not very likely to be replicated in terms of the rate of turnovers and the rate of fumbles, Scott PERSON. The falling on fumbles is pretty noisy and not repeatable year to year.And I think if you remove the turnovers, which is a big part of football, but they're volatile year to year. Denver still was pretty emphatically a bottom five defense. I think they were bottom 10 needing if you remove the first five weeks of the season. Right.

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So the bar has been set low.

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You can improve and it still needs investment over the course of the next two seasons, obviously. Yep.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So, Scott, any final thoughts on, I really enjoyed Schefter PERSON's podcast here, revealing the Broncos ORG process. I will say that, you know, hearing Philip Rivers talk about him and how the Broncos ORG went through it all makes me excited again. Because the Broncos and Sean Payton PERSON had conviction about the pick and they went out there. I don't feel like they settled. Now, we're going to find out in hindsight of the evaluation was correct, but they got a guy that they loved. And that should make Broncos ORG countries feel excited about it.I know they talk about me being a math person. I want to see the work in terms of they mentioned the analytics. What does that actually look like? Like, what were your filters? I would be, I need to find somebody in that analytics department, uh, with my connections and talk to them, uh, just to get what the actual math was on that. Uh, but again, they did the work. They've, Rivers loved him. Sean Peyton PERSON loved him. Uh, revelation, uh, revelation, uh, there to hear from Philip. Yeah. Revelation to hear from Philip Rivers PERSON loving, uh,

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him as well. Um, my final thought on that is I that is I'm jaded enough that I don't care what they say after the draft.

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After the recruiting class, after the draft, I really don't care.

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They all say the same things. Their process was great. We got the guy we wanted. So I don't care. I want to see the field now. I want to see Bo Nicks week one. I want to see the field now. I want to see Bo Nix week one.I want to see him in the preseason. I want to see him in the preseason take some snaps. I don't want to see, okay, well, he's going to be our number one guy. We're not going to play him. No, I want to see him get some reps.I want to see it. The rubber hits a robe. I don't care about what they have to say about the process and how they went about getting every single guy that they wanted with every single pick. I don't care. That's not the Denver Broncos ORG. That's across the board. Nobody ever missed on draft day. Nobody ever misses on recruiting day.Yep. Now we need time. Now we need, now we need a place, now we need to get to football.

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Yep. And we do need to wrap it up here. But I'm with you, Scott PERSON, on that. It is cool to hear about the process.

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And again, if you brought in Sean Payton PERSON, you don't really have a chance or not.

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You cannot, you know, bring him in and give him the keys and then not give him the power to go get his quarterback. But these two are going to be entwined and it's going to be a legacy defining pick for Sean Payton PERSON. We can, I think the internal, what we're hearing, the internal process was fine if you evaluated him that way. What we will find out, though, is if the evaluation was good or not. Process can be good, but the evaluation can be bad. So we'll find out.

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And as you mentioned, again, none of what they have to say matters. So, you know, so that's fair, Scott PERSON, but hearing the details is fun. I just have a different definition of fun. I don't care about what any coach at any time has to say about who they pick because they're all going to rave. It's all the same thing. I don't care. Now I want to watch

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football. Yep. And I want to see some, I want to see them throw the ball. I want to see them play. I want to see them play. I want to see them play. I want to see results.

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Yeah. What's the phrase. Don't tell me about the labor pain. Just show me the baby.

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I don't care. Yeah. Yep. Without a doubt. And final point here, Scott PERSON, that I'm just so with you on. And I'm not calling out anybody specifically, but be weary of those who drastically change their perspective as soon as a player is wearing your team's colors.

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You should do the work and the analysis and be, you know, I've written many scientific papers out there.

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It's got to help and write many scientific papers, read 1,000 times more.

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And you always talk about the process and the strengths and weaknesses in your study analysis. We can say that as well from where we're at right here. But as soon as, you know, player X, here's the analysis before. And then they're drafted. Oh, actually, I was way too hard on all these things. He's actually, instead of a day two grade to me, he should have gone first overall.That's one where it's like, I don't really trust your process or your bias. I'd be weary of those type of folks. Again, some of it is the cope, um, without a doubt. But again, I've not been anybody specifically is doing that, but I really do appreciate you saying, I don't really care what they're saying now. We did the work beforehand. We're standing by that work.

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We'll see how it plays out once we gather new data and film to analyze. We'll regrade how we thought of guys based on hindsight, but I will tell you, I missed. Okay, do I think Bo Nix was a little bit too high at 12? Yeah, I do. In three years, we'll see if that was right or wrong. I'm not going to change how I thought based on where he was picked.So, yes, I agree with you. And again, the justification of just be honest.

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Be intellectually honest, be honest. Be accountable. That's it. Not afraid to say we're wrong.

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Be honest. It's dishonest to regrade to change history. It's dishonest yep it is so uh we got michael PERSON coming in closing us

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out here saying great show today nick and car oh well thank you for that one must have been from last night there um we did have a great show on building the broncos NORP but now we got a great show on broncos for breakfast with nick and scott so appreciate you michael PERSON coming in here uh closing us out that's going to have to do it for us. We got things to do, babies to take care of, work to do. Probably I'm going to go right up this Philip Rivers stuff at some point today.And again, just kind of fun. If you have a chance to listen to Schefter PERSON's podcast, he dropped some interesting tidbits and information about the Broncos process stuff and that revelation again about what Rivers PERSON had to say about it as well. So we'll be fun to go back and listen to that. Thanks everybody for coming in today. Make sure you're following Scott PERSON and I on Twitter.Scott is at Scout Kennedy ORG. I'm at Nick Kendall ORG, MHH. Also follow us, of course, at Mile High Huddle ORG. If you haven't done so yet, our Facebook ORG pages are Facebook.com forward slash Mile High Huddle and Facebook.com forward slash mile high huddle and Facebook.com forward slash mile high huddle pod. After the fact, I mean, people who listen later, I'm aboutto go on parental leave here, Scott PERSON, so I'm going to be listening to a lot of podcasts as well, baby screaming or walking the baby and the dog or whatever. But if you listen after the fact or your podcast person at all, find us onSpotify, find us on Apple ORG, and please leave us a five-star rating and a review. If you believe we've earned it, of course. And as the ticker says here underneath, please subscribe to Mile High Huddle over on YouTube ORG, like our show, and share on social media platforms.Wanted to give a shout out to all the super chats that came in today supporting us, Michael Ronquio, Oblivion Empire ORG, Lauren Cervera, Troy Boer PERSON a few times, Brandon Williams, Gary Palmer, Keith Brugman, Miguel San da Steven PERSON, Jonathan Falk PERSON, the one and only big E, good to see you, big E.Appreciate everybody coming in and all of you as well, who did not do a super chat, but dropped the thumbs up on the way and the way out and contributed to the channel. We appreciate you guys. Scott PERSON, final thoughts.

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I like this comment outside the echo chambers. I like truth. It might not be truth, but it will be honesty because we're trying to predict the future. We don't know the truth, but we'll be honest. That's the key here.It's the difference between I tell it like it is versus I call it like I see it. I call like I see it. I might not tell it like it is. Yep call it like I see it. I call it like I see it. I might not tell it like it is. Yep.

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Yep. The difference between prospective and retrospective, Scott PERSON, right? So again, putting it on my scientist hat there. But appreciate everyone. Y'all have a great rest of your day. We will see you again Monday morning.Happy May. Choose kindness and compassion. Go Broncos ORG.

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