Can the Indiana Pacers crush the Milwaukee Bucks in Game 3? Keys to game, adjustments, Haliburton

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Game three tonight.

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What are the keys for the Pacers to get ahead in the series before Janus PERSON potentially returns? Maybe he plays, maybe not. Plus, the next adjustments for the Pacers ORG in the series, some stats that stand out so far. Adam Friedman and I will get to it all today on the Locked On Pacers ORG podcast.

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Happy Friday.

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Congrats, you're headed through the week, and welcome in to another edition of the Locked-on Pacers WORK_OF_ART podcast.

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Where are we, of course, talk about the Indiana Pacers ORG. As always, my name is Tony East

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I cover the team for Forbes and SI. And today, it's game day, game three Pacers bucks tonight.

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First, Pacers home playoff game since 2019 against the Boston Celtics. Gainbridge ORG should be

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rocking. 5.30 start time will be interesting. It's a gold out, and I'm really looking forward to all of it.

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And Adam Friedman PERSON, who was talking to me all the time, the last time the Pacers ORG were playing playoff games and home playoff games, joins me to talk about it all. We get into some other adjustments to look out for for the Pacers ORG, where they're at in the series, the importance of tonight's game, how certain guys are playing who can play better.Halliburton ORG and his need to get going, air quotes up there, because we don't really think so. And we have a lot to talk about even beyond all of that today. And we were recording during the NFL ORG drafts. You get some random draft reactions during this whole thing. It's a great episode. I hope you guys enjoy.Let's just get right to it. The last time we did an episode talking about a Pacer ORG's playoff when the title was Ola Depot's ORG Big Night Pacers win game six over the Cavs ORG. It's now six yearslater and they did it again. He used to talk with me every single day and right for Andy Cornrose. It's Adam Friedman PERSON. Adam, they did it. The Pacers ORG won a playoff game. It happened.

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I'm already greedy. I won. I won him in the series. I'm getting greedy really fast. Well, look, things look good for that, potentially with

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Janus Hurd. And now Chris Middleton PERSON. Chris Middleton, apparently questionable for the game, didn't do a lot of practice. Paces have to take advantage. If he cannot play it, we won't guess on injuries unless you would like to. What we will talk about is game three, which is tonight. Look, I talked about game one by myself and how important it is to be up in a series and the odds of a team winning a series when they win game one. I kind of feel similarly about game three when a series is one-to-one.Like, the farther along a series gets being ahead is just more valuable. Like the other team has to be the team adjusting. You get a lot of momentum. You can win at home. Again, Janus PERSON is still hurt. There's a big game, Adam PERSON.Do you agree?

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Well, yeah, but I mean, I've seen the Patriots win a lot of game three and still lose series. I can think back to a Heat series in 2013 when they lost in seven for winning game three against LeBron PERSON and home. I think I was at that game.

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You can think back to Cavs Pacers in 2018.

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The series we were just talking about. I couldn't remember exactly if they had one game three that time. So I think it's important because we don't know when Janus PERSON will come back. Right. So like every game, Janus PERSON isn't playing. You need to win essentially.And it does seem like the bucks are kind of at that stage of everyone on the roster super old that at least is important. And so, like, the more games you win and the more you make them kind of like, they're only going to have so many good games at that age, right? Like he kind of seen it from Dame PERSON, right? He's played like four good quarters. Happened that one half of it basically destroyed them.But like the more you can kind of just drag out an older team. And like, you know, it's easier for the time to win seven, for example, if they're playing a much older Bucks ORG team. So that's sort of the goal.

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Yeah, I agree. And I think that part of what will be key in every game as you see with this old bucks team and the pictures trying to run is keeping the first half, right? If dame can go for a billion points every first half, but the page is only down five or they're ahead or whatever, they'll have a good chance because he can't do it for two halves. We've seen that. And they made him work, right? He actually

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had to work for his 26 first half points, right? The many had, right? Like, he was taking, like, tough shots and making them because he's deem a little in the playoffs and he seems to just like, I don't know, he's an amazing playoff player from what, you know, history shows that. But yeah, he had to take like really tough threes, you know, runoff screens off one leg. So if he makes those shots, you kind of have to be like, okay, it's more like when he was just taking open 27 footers and nailing them. You're like, okay, well, maybe, maybe force him to like try for that shot.

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Okay, so I have heard a lot of chatter about, I've listened to a lot of podcasts, read some stuff, whatever, about the series so far. And I think one of the most interesting things I've heard about people talking about the Pacers winning game two and like what it means going forward is people keep saying, oh, the Pacers defended much better, much better in Game Two that didn't game one. And I get why that's being said. They gave up like the same number of points.They gave up more technically. It was 108 and then 109. I might have that backwards. About the same either way. What I think was different from the defense specifically is what they did after a stop. Like they were running and it led to offense. And so that is, and look, we've known this for forever and ever and ever. But that's when they've been at their freaking best all season is when pace is their priority and they can use their defense to get there. They can not take the ball out of the net as much. Like 108, yeah, it was 109 game one and 101 game two. If they give up109, that should be enough for them to win like almost all the time, given how good their offense is and can be. And so I, if they maintain the level of defense, we've seen the first two games, I'd feel pretty good about their chances in any game, including game three. Do you agree with that? Or do you think that I am too reactive to it,I think, are interesting and not correct takes from the first two games?

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To me, it seemed like it was about stopping momentum. So in the first game, the Bucks ORG just, they were in it for a quarter-ish, quarter and a half. And then at some point,the Bucks ORG just got really rolling and the momentum kind of got a hand. Every time in game two, the Bucks hit a big shot, the P Pacers ORG pushed the pace and got a bucket. It seemed like, I mean, maybe not every single time, but most of the time it felt like you could even hear it. Like the crowd would get really hyped on a big Dame three.And they would go right down and have an easy layup. And then it would kind of just like, and they did a great job of sort of like, sort of stemming these like kind of tides in the game. At one point, they were up 10. And then the game got tied up and they went back up eight right they just found a way to sort of not let the bucks

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just completely just get this at home momentum and that is mainly pace right every time the bucks made a big shot the ball was immediately down the other side of the court the bucks had to immediately get back on defense and you had the pace were taking easy you know shots inside two feet that were just like I mean they were basically layoff for siakamos the night yeah shots they like and that they're

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comfortable with, right? And, you know, the two biggest swings of the second half, late in the third, it got to one or middle of the third or whatever. And then they scored like three times in a row. I can't remember the exact first shot. I believe Miles Turner hit a three to get them out of that originally. And then the one I've already brought up a million times from the fourth quarter that was a big swing was the bucks get it to four. Jay Crowder misses a wide open three, Pacers ORG run and score. And then thenext possession, Ben Shepard turns into Dr. Jay for three seconds. And I've, I watched that layup again now from multiple angles. The bench reaction to that Ben Shepard PERSON layup is out freaking standing. Everyone is going crazy. Because where did that come from? People are recreating it. That was a nuts shot. So like their reactions to, or answers to Big Bucks ORG runs was really important.

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Like that's so demoralizing and over the course of the game. And most of that came like the Ben Shepard PERSON reverse was a hit ahead in transition and like that that got them out of a lot of stuff and it just wears the bucks down. They're too old tokeep up with that for a whole game. Their transition defense has sucked even dating back to that in season tournament loss they had to the Pacers ORG. So to me, yes, their defense is important. If they can continue at this level where they're, you know, holding the bucks to the numbers they have in the first two games, which are very similar, I think, again, I think they haveto feel good about their chances, not only because that's not that much to give up in the current NBA ORG, but because it lets them get in transition and always have an easy answer to even the best bucks runs.

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I kind of say bench everyone he runs across the floor. It looks so, like, effortless. Like, he moves so quickly and just moving across the floor. I don't know he's actually that good, but he, like, he moves with, like, this, like, just, like, momentum and flow that I was like,oh, that guy could be a, might be a good NBA ORG player. He just, like, knows how to move in the court and be in the right spots. It's kind of like, it's kind of like almost like awe-inspiring to watch. Some players, like Turner PERSON has never moved that like effortlessly. He kind of has a little hip in hisin his run, but like, Shepard PERSON just like flying around.

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I said this when Kael PERSON and I were doing are like assessment of the Pacers after 15 games. Like even, who knows how good Ben Shepard PERSON will be, but he just looked like he belongs, like right away. Right?

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And it just matters to me.

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He's got like the speed of an NBA ORG player. Like, he doesn't, like, it's not too fast for him. I think part of it with the Pacers ORG, right, is they use their offense to play the defense, right? If you, they basically, if the Bucks want to play a game to 1.35, their Pacers ORG are all for that. They're like, let's go.And like at some point, right, Brooke Lopez PERSON isn't going to make, you know, what did he start making his first five threes and like that. Like, he's not going to do that forever, especially on the road as we go into Indiana GPE,right? I mean, like, at some point he's not going to hit five, 25 footers. Like,you just got to like, the odds will come back. The Pacer shot so bad from three in that first game was part of also the reason they struggled, right? They just couldn't get that shot, but they figured out in the second game that, like,there was a lot of easy three-foot shots there. They just sort of push the ball into the center and drew guys out. And then they also got a lot of good, like, in-momentum threes, right? As they sort of opened things up all of a sudden, they have, they use their offense to play defense because they're not really guys who are going to stop anyone, but they can, they can make the game so fast-paced the other team kind of like has taking bad shotsbecause they're trying just to match.

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And a key part of that was turnovers. They had 12 in game one. They had five in game two. The Bucks went from actually lowered theirs from 10 to 7, but seven extra chances is a ton, right? Like that mattered a lot. And they didn't even hit the offensive glasses hard in game two.The Bucks ORG did change that a little bit. And that was part of their transition struggles ironically. But I think that more chances was good too. More chances to get in rhythm. Bucks ORG have to play more defense. Bucks are tired. So I think that that formula is what they'll need. If Yannis is still out, he's doubtful for game three. I'm operating under the assumption for this series that doubtful will mean out for him. As soon as he's upgraded a question

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blog, I go, okay, this is probably it. I assume we're out through the weekend, but we'll see.

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I mean, that's...

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I am guessing.

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Like, McDermott PERSON had a calf strain.

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I don't know how similar the severities are, but McDermott's during the regular season kept him out for like 22 days, right? Janus's three weeks would be next Tuesday for basically when game five is. But he could heal faster. At first, I would say, if, like, this Bucks team probably isn't going to win the east i mean they aren't being boston but then again boston rather than i mean so the east might be white open for all you know like like if

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if we did this podcast on wednesday before he made what like 43s you're just like what's

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for 43 insane like like what is the point right i would say what is the point of rushing yon PERSON is back

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if you're just kind of you probably aren't going to win the East LOC.

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Like this,

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like this Bucks ORG team is, needs another year, right? They just docks a midseason coach. They probably have some roster tweaks they can make. Clearly, like Dame PERSON is a playoff player,so he seemed like he's the right player to have for Yonis PERSON, in the playoffs. That's kind of your goal. But now, I don't know, maybe the East is more wide open or maybe I'm overreacting to one,to one crazy Miami Heat shooting night. Yeah,

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I mean, I think I almost tweeted.

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Everybody talked forever, including a lot of Pacers fans about avoiding the Celtic NORP side of the bracket. I wanted to tweet every the game building. Like, ooh, good thing the Pacers ORG avoided the heat side of the bracket. Well, you better call it.

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I mean, I think it would matter.

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I mean, the heat went into New York last year and smoked in five games.

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Holy cow.

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The heaters, scary.

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Yeah, I mean, I think cow. The heaters, yeah, I mean, I think the thing with the series, too, is the bucks are a much older team and these quicker turnaround, right,play Friday and Sunday. Like, the Pacers ORG, like, they're super young. I mean,they're just a super young team. I mean, their oldest players are, what, Yakum is 30, at least the main,Stockum's 30, Turner is 28 now. And then I guess McConnell PERSON's probably their oldest player.

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McConnell is 32.

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But he's playing faster this year than he ever has.

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Yeah.

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And those are the three. But otherwise, they're playing a bunch of guys who are like 25 or younger and who want to run. Like they just want to run and be out there. And that's what the pages will do. I mean, that's sort of,that was the recipe of the first 30 games when they were looking like one of the better teams in the NBA ORG was just run, run, and even as Halliburton ORG sort of struggles, he at least creates, I think you told me this one time of like, maybe doesn run. And even as Halliburton ORG sort of struggles, he at least creates, I think you told me this one time of like, maybe it doesn't matter he put around Halliburton ORG and just he creates good shots for everyone. And he still, even though he's not quite, you know, looking like theplayer he was the first 30 games, he's still doing that great job of not turning over the ball and making the right pass almost every time.

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Yeah, I mean, maybe it's not quite everyone. Like you need some level of spacing around him, but I mean, every player who's come to the Pacer ORG since they got him better.

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I mean, I don't know.

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Aaron Neesmith, I'm not sure before the year.

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I've been like, this guy is going to be like one of them, you know,

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one of the best scores.

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And all of a sudden he's out there doing that. I mean, Seacum PERSON, yeah, he's, you know, always been a really good player. And he's been really, you know, he's got a ton of playoff experience too. So he's not afraid, you know, like give me the ball and all score in the big moment. So, but he even, you know, he's got a ton of playoff experience too. So he's not afraid, you know, it's like, give me the ball and I'll score in the big moment. So, but he even, you know, is going up a level because he's surrounded by a guy who justgets him in the right spot every time.

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Three players in the NBA this season pass the ball more than 61 times per game. It was Yokic Sabonis and Halberton who are all over 70. Like they were over 10 passes per game thrown over the fourth guy. And potential assists per game, Halliburton was second at 17.8, and assist points created per game,he was first, and I don't need to keep going through this.

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If only Halberton was 6 foot 11, man, we would have to be like.

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Yolkich PERSON is also very high in a lot of these lists.

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Well, Yolkich PERSON got the passing of a point card at the shooting of,

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you know, I don't know, not quite like the best shooters, but really hell of a shooting and sort of has like the center skills at the same time.

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And that's like, he's an impossible player to beat, I think.

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And he plays well in the playoffs.

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Well, I think it's two things. Game one, it seemed like there were a couple times that his teammates could have passed in the ball for open three instead of them taking open threes.

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McConnell had one egregious one where he got the ball.

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And Halburn PERSON's wide open.

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And obviously, T.J. McConnell PERSON, the not great point shooter should not be shooting that ball. So that would be nice. If you could get some of those shots, right? Like, I don't know if he needs to be taking on his own because clearly he's struggling, whether it's an injury or whatever's going on. He's struggling to actually, like, kind of create his own on the time.But like, if he's standing open for a three, he's a very good three-point shooter, passing the ball. He's a better between and some. And at the same time, like, he has got to be less, you know, when he has an open three, just take it. Like, he was a little bit hesitant in the game one. He was better in game two, where he took a couple of shots. He just got the open bucket and took it. And the thing about the playoffs is, like, it's different than the regular season and that, like, you can't always go

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for the most efficient shot possible. If you're the best player on your team, take the shot that you think you can make, right? You can take what was normally be a low percentage long two, if you just may get a good rate, right? Siakum has hit so many, you know, free throw line two-pointers this first two games, but he's made a ton of them. So who cares if he was shooting, you know, what he was shooting on them? And Halliburons has been a really high percentage two points here.He's got to take tough shots at times. He hasn't had to yet. I think the game is close in the fourth quarter. That could change. I mean, Seacom ORG seemed like he wants the ball when it matters most. Maybe just give it to him and kind of clear it out.But he's going to have to take it if it comes down to it some top. He's going to be willing to take the less efficient play because he's just the better player to be able to make it at a high enough rate to win a game.

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Yeah, so I agree about a late game situation. It doesn't matter to me yet. Like I know that sounds stupid to say, but similar to what I just said about the regular season. He's second in the league and passes thrown per game of the playoffs. He's at 71.5. Yolkich is at 80.Every nugget's possession is like, yeah, just get it to that guy. Potential assists per game. So what he's doing with those passes, Yokic has 14 potential assists per game, right? That's a lot. Tyrese Halberton's at 20 and a half, 20 and a half.

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Yolich has like 35 points a game, right? Or what's the other? Yeah, a ton. I mean, he doesn't have

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some assist because he's just scoring because he just scores. Right. And he takes, he takes shots

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that he makes it a really high rate. That is three more than the second highest guy, which is LeBron PERSON. I say that to say, I was talking, I think I mentioned this on the show,

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but I was talking to someone else who covers a team about this. Like, what would the reaction have been to Halberton in game one? I'll make sure I have up his game one specifically, but I believe his potential assistant that game was 20. And he finished with eight, right? And a lot of those were like Miles missed in the lane. Jalen Smith PERSON missed in the lane a few times. They went 11 deep, the bench didn't perform.If he had nine points on seven shots and had like 13 or 14 assists, no one is talking about his shots at the game. Everyone's saying, oh, very clearly, the Bucks ORG were trying to get him to pass, and he did, and other guys finished plays.What really happened that game, among many things, to be clear, is they were trying to prevent him from shooting and he got the ball out and then it didn't lead to anything. Like, no one actually scored from those passes.

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Yeah, well, that's what I mean.

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By some point, you've got to just take tough shots. If you're the best player on your team, at some point, you're going to look around and be like, oh, we're down 10. This game's getting out of hand, I have to shoot the ball.

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Like, because your other guys aren't stepping up. And that's what the best players are supposed to do. It was's getting on the hand. I have to shoot the ball. Like, because your guys aren't stepping up.

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And that's what the best players are supposed to do.

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It was his first playoff game. I'm not sure he, maybe he's kind of understood. Maybe someone kind of yelled him about that after the game and kind of told him, here's what you should be doing.

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So right now I think it's fine what he's doing.

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But I think like you're saying, you know, there will be a point where he needs to be taking those shots against better teams or even just to keep whoever is on him or whatever two guys are on him. Right. A lot of times is Patrick Beverly, but Malik Beasley PERSON comes over, the big guy comes up, whatever. There's two guys on him just to make, if they don't ever think he's going to shoot, like they can be ready to recover a lot easier.They don't have to, the way they shift their way or what they're prepared for matters in a different way. So just like 12 to 15 shots. If he keeps being defended this way, I expect the bucks to adjust because they just got smoked and they have to find a better wayto slow see how come down.

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But if it continues similarly,

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I think he's like 10 is close to what is required. They scored a bunch of points. His passing has been really sharp and everyone else is open. They just,I mean, they, they, they have three, four, threes in game one that didn't hit,even hit the rim, like clearly a mental.

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Or eight of 38, right, from three in the first game.

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Eight for 38,

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yeah,

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horrible.

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So it's a law of average.

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Eventually they got back in game two

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to something that seemed more normal.

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Yeah.

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But what is the buck's adjustment? Like to stop Siakam PERSON, I mean, they were sort of playing Lopez PERSON on him, and they brought in Malik Beasley PERSON a little bit, and they were kind of just throwing guys. Like, don't they don't really have the defender, right?The adjustment is Janus PERSON, I guess, would be the guy you maybe throw him if you could, right? But, like, I just don't know what, like, you put Pat Bev PERSON on him. That doesn't make any sense. I mean, that the, I just don't know if the Bucks ORG have the players to actually adjust Seacum PERSON, and maybe just exploit it the rest of the series.

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It's really interesting because, to me, well, like, they can't totally go to this. But so if it's, if it's Lopez on Seacum and Portis on Turner PERSON, let's say they switch that to normal, like normal matchups.

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Then Miles Turner PERSON is just going to set a bunch of screens, right?

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Because Brooke Lopez PERSON is slow, right?

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So I'm not saying it'll be like Turner PERSON's going to dominate like Seacom has, but that's still going to get you good shots because Turner's versatile

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in those situations. Well, and as I think what's been in your office in this playoff, Turner PERSON looks like, I mean, he, you can feel the playoff experience under him. Like this is the

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first time. I mean, we, I feel like in his early career, he was known for making some

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not great decisions in big moments, but you can feel it now this playoff series. He's he's, he's confident about shooting his three. He's not hesitating feel it now this playoff series. He's confident about shooting his three. He's not hesitating. He's taking it every time. He seems to be the right spots in defense. You can kind of just feel that he's like,oh, this is the guy who's been on the Pacers for now almost a decade, has played an decent amount of playoff games now, right?

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Between the Paul George era and the Victoriba PERSON era and this.

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And you can just kind of feel it that he kind of has,

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he's not going to shy up when the moment gets kind of bigger, I guess.

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But you never know.

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Last time turners in the playoffs, he shifted to his natural position of center right before the series because Sabonis PERSON got hurt. And he was great.

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He was good again.

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Like, Bam PERSON was better so people don't remember it.

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But Turner PERSON was good against the heat in the ball. Yeah, I think he still got a little exposed by Butler PERSON, like on some matchups. But Butler was also just like the best player in the playoffs that year outside of him.

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Yeah, he was 16, 11, and 4 on 5743 from the...

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No, I mean, I just think Jimmy, I remember Butler just dominated that series and dominated the playoffs for the better part of, you know, until they ran to LeBron PERSON, essentially.

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And again, BAM was better. So, like, you'll know and I'll ever remember what Turner PERSON did. But the playoffs before that, when it was him and Sabonis and no depot against the Celtics ORG, he was not good, right? But he looks much better now. He's a much more mature player. So if they flip that in the post, then maybe he'll just look really good.But a lot of what keeps happening, too, is because of the way that Halberds ORG get and defended, his guards end up on Siakum PERSON. They're like, great, post up, easy basket. Like, he can just drill it from 10 beating in. So I don't know what they can do to easily adjust to Seacom ORG that doesn't leave some obvious leak somewhere else.

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I mean, I guess I didn't think far enough out to think like, I guess they'll just try that because it's a percentage wise, I'm sure Turner PERSON's are worse. You'd rather have Turner to it.

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Yeah, but then if Turner scores 35 on you, which he could do.

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I mean, he's done a couple times. He could do it, I guess. Or maybe then you find a way with Turner PERSON in the pick and roll, you get Halberd a little bit better of shots because it kind of creates a little bit, you know, you get the, you get up with Lopez on Halliburton ORG, which allows him to do some more stuff there, stuff like that.So I don't know. I mean, I think that's, you probably nailed the adjustment. I just don't know if that, like, really works. And also, like, if you were able to stagger something correctly, you still can find ways for him to get matchups. So you can't, they can't, they'll try to keep probably Portiswith him the entire time if they do that, but it's going to be hard because they just, you know, Siakim is, all's talking could just score on Portis PERSON. Like, I mean, I don't think.

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That's what I was going to say. I bet, right?

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But, like, he can't. He's not like, you know.

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Locked down.

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He's not, he's not, uh, he's the best wing defender right now in the league. Probably, I mean, Wembeama PERSON, I guess. Right. He can guard anybody. Yeah.

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I'm, I'd say. Kauai GPE when he's healthy, probably.

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Yeah, right. I mean, he's not, Portis PERSON is not either of those guys.

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So, like.

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Yeah, exactly. He's not like, the Bucks ORG are just in a bad spot because they're without their best player who was the second or third best player in the league. And who is like the like the reason and so and they don't really have like a deep bench because they put a lot in to kind of have this one two three match punch of him, Middleton and Dame PERSON. And so without that and the Pacer's team actually is like not a not sort of a walkover because they, you know, they know how to play his Bucks ORG team. They beat him a ton on their regular season.

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You didn't see A.J. Green do an isolation on Ben Shepard PERSON and think that them a ton in the regular season you didn't see a j green do an isolation on ben shepard and think that the bucks had a deep bench that didn't make you think they had a deep team i mean you know the bench isn't deep when i'm like that's a real

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possession that happened to the playoffs i mean so like you know the bench is not deep when you know i am not as tuned in every to every NBA team the way i maybe was three or four years ago when i was doing the podcast i still pay to the pacers but every NBA team the way I maybe was three or four years ago when I was doing the podcast. I still pay to the Pacers ORG, but every other team, I kind of much. But in the playoffs, if you're playing guys, I don't even recognize and aren't, I'm like, that's a sign. Because I know, like, enough NBA ORG players, like, oh, yeah, that's that guy.And that's the, that's the draft pick from this year. And he's a recent one. Oh, maybe he's, like, when you're starting to play guys that, like, I don't really remember or recognized, that's a concern that you don't have a deep enough team for the playoffs.

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Yeah, their bench is odd. And they're relatively healthy. It have been. We'll see what happens. If they don't have Middleton PERSON, I'm,

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that's going to be. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, you just not play Dame and just give up the game and hope they all healthy for Sunday.Oh,

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you can't do that.

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Do you remember that?

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What year was that the Rockets Warriors EVENT series where everyone's like,

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do they just not play hard in for game six?

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Oh, yeah.

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When Chris Paul PERSON, um, for his hampering or calf. Yeah. When they, they definitely,I guess, definitely should have won that series. I know. That's brutal. Yeah, I mean,the big, I guess other X-Factor years, like, does Dame PERSON could, probably can't pull out three more, but Dan PERSON could probably pull another game out of himself.Oh,

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yeah. Like, like he would win it by himself. I mean, um, he is that good of a player.

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That's another adjustment.

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I wonder how the Bucks try to get to is like, how can they spread out Dames PERSON' effectiveness, right?

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Currently, he's at 61 first half points and eight second half points.

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Clearly, it's taxing to do what he does in some way, right? Yeah, well, especially because the last game, instead of just sort of walking up to threes, he's having to run around screens and get off the ball. And it's hard, you know, he makes him at a great rate. So he can definitely do it, but it's just like, it's the constant motion. It's kind of the way people who play Steph Curry PERSON in his prime, right? It's like put Steph Curry PERSON in every pick and everything, make that dude run.Curry PERSON's great, but if you can get him tired, he can, he's just a little bit less effective, which just can help you in the margin in a close game. And the, and the other way to make them get a little more rest is patrick beverly have eight assists like he did in game one and he was not nearly as good on offense uh in game two so that's that's

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bad the entire career right that's path of entire career is like a really good defender and

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I don't know if he still really has his really good defending skills but at least you know

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at one point at one point he was I think a I don't know elite maybe as a strong word to say that, but a very, very good defender,

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but he never, he was never really a point guard. He was just like the guy you threw at Russell

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Westbrook, dude, or something like that in the playoffs or I think staffed back in the day, too,

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a little bit. All right, can I just throw some stats at you that surprised me through two games

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about the Pacers ORG and then see what that could mean for the rest of the playoffs? Do it.

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Okay. Number one, currently of their top eight guys who've played in their rotation, who do you think has the worst field goal percentage?

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Either Shepard and McConnell PERSON.

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Oh, neither, neither. Okay. Wow. The answer is, so this is a twofold thought. I'm going to say the answer, and then I'm going to keep talking about that player.

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The answer is Aaron Neesmith, who is shooting 31.6% from the field so far,

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but is second on the team in assists per game. Aaron Neesmith is second on the Pacers ORG and assist per game.

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So is that because his game one was so bad? Yes. Because I guess at some point I kind of during game one was like, oh, there's another missed shot. I stopped hitting it and who missing. I'm like, everything's just missing. And like, I stopped kind of counting in my head of like who's missing.It's just everyone couldn't hit a shot.

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Like he was a really good shooter in the regular season. And he's moving the ball. Well, it's like Caliburton ORG. He's making the right plays. Like he could just be better. All of a sudden,his defense has been good. Middleton had some trouble with him last game. So,

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well,

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like that's really interesting.

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McConnell until that third quarter recovery was probably had made a shot the entire playoff series, right?

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Yeah, he was really good in the second half, but he was not good before that.

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Yeah, I mean, he recovered that field football. I don't think he had made a shot. I mean, he made one shot. I mean, he, some of it was like he had these tier jumps that just like weren't falling. Like, they literally would hit the rim and roll and roll and drop. Like, it was like kind of bad luck at one point, but he recovered it in that third,fourth quarter where now he seemed like he should be playing.

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McConnell's actually third to last. Second to last is somebody who was, was efficient until the second half of the last game. And they were bad at a time when the paces were good. So it kind of got lost. And that's Obie Toppin. And Obie Toppens actually at 35%.

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Oh, that makes sense. He would be, he bricked a lot of shots.

Speaker 31978.12s - 1980.4s

I thought he was good in the game overall. So.

Speaker 21980.46s - 1997.74s

Yeah, well, because he was, to me, he doesn't need to hit a ton of shots. It's the, it's the, he can push the pace, right? He's got really good to just like, he is down the floor, moving fast. He just, it's the high energy because he was, to me, he doesn't need to hit a ton of shots. It's the, it's the, he can push the pace, right? He's got really good to just, like, he is down the floor moving fast. He just, it's the high energy that he brings, right? He flies around. He just, like, brings his energy level that's like, oh, that guy's like going to tryto block everything and get in your face and run up, run through every screen kind of thing.

Speaker 31998.66s - 2001.64s

Yeah, and top and still beast on the glass.

Speaker 22002.32s - 2012.56s

Yeah, I mean, he's just, yeah, he doesn't necessarily need to be this great, great shooting. I mean, when he gets a couple of threes, it like really kind of changed the whole momentum of the game usually, but he doesn't need to hit him for it to be effective.

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Okay, thing two, stat. All right. How many Pacers players do you think are averaging more than one turnover per game?

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Well, you said they had five turnovers the last game, or the second game or the second game.

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In the first game, I forgot.

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I already said that part. I don't remember how it had in the first game, but I know it was more than five.

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Aver than one, probably... Aver than one turnover.

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So probably four.

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Oh, three.

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Very close.

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Three.

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That's impressive.

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That, like, the bucks are a fine defensive team. The three players, and one of these players, by the way, is Jalen Smith PERSON, who didn't even play in game two.

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That's what we haven't talked about a little bit, right? It's like, maybe the bench should be eight deep and not 11. Eight's correct.

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Brian Winhorst always says you play eight and trust seven, like in the very biggest moments, and Rick went to eight in game two. And McConnell is probably that eighth. Maybe you don't trust. Oh, you got, no, if you're going to ask you. Ben Shepard was good, but you don't trust rookies like in the place biggest moments and Rick went to eight in game two. And McConnell is probably that eighth. Maybe you don't trust.

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No, if you're going to ask you. Ben Shepard PERSON was good, but you don't trust rookies like in the day. That's true. No,I have, I mean, we talked about this on text the other day. Like, I have such PTSD from McConnell in the 2020 bubble series of

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where he like literally was just constantly exploited every pick and roll and couldn't make a shot. And he has been actually, I don't know if he guarded Dame PERSON perfectly well, but his energy and, like, just making Dame PERSON work was really good on defense.The full court press is like that. That was super valuable. McConnell PERSON has been a good playoff player. I remember the Philly ORG series early his career. He basically beat a heat team in a game by himself

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because he was just so high energy out there stealing everything.

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So, like, he could, he can be a good playoff player.

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And hopefully the second half game, too, sort of righted him.

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But he, for a little while, it looked like he made it was unplayable.

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Yeah, you could tell the bucks, like half game two sort of righted him, but he for a little while it looked like he made it was unplayable. Yeah,

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you could tell the bucks like in the course of regular season, there's no one like T.J. McCann on the NBA ORG, right? Like there just isn't. So it's like if you don't have like a lot of time to lock into him, it's just like, oh crap, he scored 16 points. We lost

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in the playoffs. Well, he's a lot of assuming, right? He's able to play like, I'm, he's short and maybe he's not super fast, but the guy is like super high energy, you know, hits his spots every single time and hit that you know fading away off his back foot six footer every time it feels like it makes the right pass and just can like in his constantly full core pressing you randomly like that's what he does so well I feel like I'm going to annoy people

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with how often I bring this up but like I remember game one EVENT so vividly he beat his man he got into the paint he turned around he had that six footer he loves. And Brooke Lopez PERSON was just right there. Like he's like,

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okay, I'm just going to send this into the third row. Like they're locked in that he wants that shot, right? And it was in an easy block.

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Like when the playoffs,

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when they're zoned in on what you do, it's, again, that's part of the playoffs that makes it different and tougher, right? It's like you can't trust everyone.You have to have a short leash with guys at times.

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And teams exploit things.

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Who got picked in the NFL ORG draft too high?

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Former IU ORG football quarterback Michael Pennix goes eighth overall of the Falcons. Before McCarthy PERSON?

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Yes, before McCarthy PERSON.

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Wow. Okay. Anyways.

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He went to IU ORG. I have to be happy. He didn't finish.

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No, I understand why. You're fine.

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People don't know that we're locked in on the NFL ORG draft right now.

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Locked out NFL draft exists if you would like to hear our reactions to the first round. Okay, that was the other stat that really stood out to me, though. The Pacer ORG's offense is so good. The Buck PERSON's defense is fine. When the honest plays, it's good. But if they can't turn the Pacers ORG over, that also really hurts their ability to, like, get easy points, right?And catch up to a Pacer ORG team that's playing really well. So that really impresses me. And like McConnell's at one and a half assist and Auburn's at two and a half. Given their volume, like that's also fine. Like that's not bad. It's just like a trade off of the NBA ORG.So the two, that was the two stats I really wanted to dig into was I think Neesmith PERSON will shoot better, but he's also passed for really well.

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And the Pacers ORG in general, great job taking care of the ball. Yeah, Neesmith PERSON's been great, and especially the hockey assist, right? The ball gets kicked out and kind of makes well all the way around the perimeter. I don't know if Neesmith PERSON is actually making the assist. I guess it seemed like he's being the one actually making the actual assist, but just being part of that sort of process has been really good for them, just keeping the ball moving.All right.

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What's any adjustments or small things you think the Pacers ORG might go to in the next game or so? I mean, I don't think they're going to adjust.

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I think you just got to continue to do what they did last time well, right? Is make the bucks like work, right? Push them. So what will be different is they'll be at home so they won't have the momentum feel as much. There won't be that crowd momentum that could shift on you all of a sudden, right? So it'll be easier to weather some runs bythe bucks. But you've got to, you basically have to just keep the game close for two or three quarters and then basically expect that your sort of youth and energy can win out in the late third, fourth quarters. And you've got to make Dame PERSON work, right? I think justconstantly making Dame PERSON work for his shot is the best way to sort of keep the game close, right? He might hit 25 points again in the first half, but if he has to actually expend energy to do that, then that's the key.And then I just can't imagine. I mean, I know that person is a good three-point shooter, but like, is he going to hit his first five again on the road? I mean, if he does, like, good for him.

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Let him take that. Like, honestly, let him take the 25-footer. Like, if he's going to make it that many times, you might lose it. Like, you just, if you don't lose a series that way, it's like the dumb way to lose series,but it's not as dumb as just just like letting you know and like a place

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player like dame lowered scores the easy buckets yeah dame had a bunch in the first half of game too

Speaker 32313.06s - 2328.94s

but the payers weren't down 30 instead they were right there and then they can keep up with his exhaustion and win the second half instead of being down 30 and being able to take advantage and cut it to 12 but they were down so much it didn't matter in game one so even even if he goes crazy, they just got to keep up. So like if we go just based

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on the regular season, what the Bucks were four more wins to the Pacers, four or five. Two only two. Two page one 47 bucks won 49, right? Yeah. Okay. So without Yannis, the Bucks probably only win what, 38 games, give or take. I mean, I know he missed some time, right? So the Bucks probably out Yonis are not a better team than the Pacers ORG in terms of when the loss.

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No, I don't think so. Definitely not.

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So this is like, this is a series that should be theirs. They have home court now. Like, this is, you know, this is a,you got to show off of game three. And it's a weird, it's like an early, really early start time for some reason. Very,

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no, it's not for some reason. It's because it's a triple header on ESPN ORG.

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I understand why. Which is so strange in the NFL ORG draft, like second and third round is still pretty compelling to people. Well, for us on central time, it's like, oh, which is so strange. In the NFL draft, like second and third round is still pretty compelling to people. For us on Central time, it's like, oh, I got a

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430 game. I better like finish it.

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Yeah, the bucks did it. Like, half the bucks fans will still be at work before the game starts. It's crazy. It's fine. It's 4 o'clock of Friday. It's almost summer. Like, people

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don't work on Fridays anymore. The Pacers ORG did what I hoped they would, which I think will be awesome for fans. They're opening up the plaza for like a party at like two.

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Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great crowd. I mean, the Pagers always have good playoff crowds and it's always exciting and, you know, the city shows up for

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playoff games for this team because, and they're exciting. I mean, this is a fun team. This is like, this has probably been the most exciting Pacer year since 2018.

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You maybe say there were some good hype around 2018 for they made that playoff, that first playoffs with Volodipa ORG, but like, this is a team that like, it's fun. There's some animosity with the bucks. They're just like, there's some rivalries between Dame PERSON and Hallibur and over Dame timeand there's some, all that kind of stuff. And it's like two Midwestern NORP cities. You know, it's just, you know, it's fun.

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Pride. Midwestern NORP pride. Yeah. Okay. Can I give you two adjustments? Okay.

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And then we can be done. I gave you basically none. So, yeah.

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Well, it's naturally, like after a team wins to not think they need to, right? Like, okay, that's how you win. And then the other team will change something. And then you go, oh, you know, we have to react to that or be ready.

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You know, that's what's so fascinating to me.

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Okay. The first thing I talked about this with

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Ty yesterday, I wonder if when Dame PERSON is not on the floor, because that's been the thing that's

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stunned me about this series. The Pacers keep losing the minutes with Dame PERSON off the floor. Every game, how is that happening? Do they do the Pacers, do the Pacers for like the 12th possession of the season, go zone when Dame PERSON's not on the floor. They have never gone zone with this team at all. But see, like what, who on the bucks is getting into the lane or like really threatening as a passer at the nail? Like just try it. When Dame PERSON's out there, obviously you can't do it. But I don't know. They've been staggering Damon Milton PERSON,

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right? Correctly at least. A lot. Yeah. There's very rarely none of them. Yes. So I guess

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Middleton PERSON could a little bit. I mean,

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Milton PERSON just kind of try to score himself, right? That's sort of what he

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does, isolation and score. So I guess plays on

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kind of forcing, but I feel like, I don't know, I'm not sure zone really works the NBA ORG outside of like really specific instances where you either have a unique player that can fit it or like you can kind of surprise the team. I mean, it works a lot in college

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because college kids panic around his zone, but like these NBA ORG players don't you nailed what what it just worked for the bucks though was early in the second quarter of game two they went to it and the Pacers were like oh zone crap and then for five is it worked for an experience team

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and then they figured it out but has it worked for a team that's sort of like experience? The bucks are not like one.

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Like the people are young enough team where like you could see how the young players especially first game in the playoffs and all that kind of stuff. Right. You could see you kind of could feel that too in game one. Like there was clearly like this kind of like, oh, it's our first playoff game of this kind of era of or a little bit nervous. But like I'm not sure like an experience team is like, oh, we see his own.Like these guys have been playing NBA basketball for a decade almost all of them.

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Like they know how to beat his own. And sort of like, that's how you get to the NBA ORG essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That would just be my only argument against that.

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A few possessions.

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Throw them off, hit him with a surprise.

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Okay, thing. The Vikings have traded up to 10, Adam PERSON. It's happening. Virginia McCarthy PERSON.

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Fordney McCarthy PERSON is happening for sure.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I don't remember how often they played together in game two specifically.

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It happened a little bit. I think, okay, I think it was the Pacers did a good thing where Carlisle PERSON did this correctly to adjust to having no minutes without one of Siakma Halber PERSON on the floor. That should have happened in game one, but whatever, they got to it. I think there's a next step to me, and that is if McConnell PERSON is out there in this series specifically, it has to be McConnell Seacom, because McConnell Halliburton ORG hasn't worked verywell in this year. It was great in the regular season. Like I asked them about it, I wrote about it. And to be fair, in 13 minutes this series, it's plus four with McConnell and Halliburton ORG together. So maybe I'm overthinking this, but I think they have to try their best to limit those minutes going forward.Yeah, I think that's a good point.

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I mean, you just don't have enough side or not really enough defense. That's kind of the problem, right? Yeah, with that line. I mean, the problem is you've, basically they've had knee Smith and Lillard PERSON, right? Basically put identical minutes, right? Every time Lillard's out there, and Nithet out there right, sort of been the strategy, right? We're going to throw Nismith at him, right? Basically play identical minutes, right? Every time Louis PERSON out there,and he's out there right? That's sort of been the strategy, right? We're going to throw Neismith Adam PERSON, or not, yeah, Nembert PERSON, I'm sorry. Wrong name.Nemhard. That's sort of been the goal, right? It's just throw Nemhardt Adam PERSON and keep that kind of going. And just let that be sort of like the play, right? It's just, because Nemhardt PERSON sort of got the,I mean, she's just got, it's a way to provide Halberton PERSON away to, so he doesn't play much defense. And also, Nemhart is probably the better of the two two, obviously better of the two guard defenders.And he just, like, has this sort of attitude where he kind of likes to match up against Damien PERSON, it feels like, and get in his face. But yeah, I mean, I think that's probably the best move. But so that means maybe you're pulling Nemhard and Halberton PERSON at times off the court together. If you're trying to make this work, but.

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Yeah, it's a tricky balance, right? Maybe you have to do it just to resiakum at all for however many minutes that would be but it's it's harder now with because of what we talked about teams lasered in on mccanell PERSON and what he does than it was in the regular season when they can just be relentless with their paint pressure and oh oh this is hard to defend there's a lot of speed speed. So that's just an idea. I don't know if it's a requirement.It's just something else.

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Yeah, I mean, the thing about, so you're right, once you lose a game, you adjust, right? I, I just wonder if, like,we talk about the bucks don't have a lot of great adjustments. And if you, if you just kind of stick with where you're at and kind of, can you, because, you know,teams do win series and five. And so they just repeat the same success. They don't need to always adjust. And I just, the PACs team on paper seems much better than this Bucks ORG team at this current stage, especially as more Bucs ORG players, they're getting hurt. And I just think the more Miltzm plays and more Dane PERSON plays, it just feels like they could get hurt as well.Like, it just, the series should be going the Pacer ORG's way if they can just sort of keep up what they were doing before. And I don't know how the Bucks ORG really like take the page out of their element. I mean, because like without giving up something else right we talked about right if you give up if they go for see how can they give up turn or if they let halberd PERSON a little more free than he scores right the Pacer ORG just have these options right now what it's like maybe you're like there's not there's not like a obvious move for them maybe I mean the buck's most obvious been a guess is somehow to play alltheir guys 44 minutes right their best five players but like that's not really feasible with guys at their age.

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Yeah, I think that's true. And the age part's a big part of this. Can, uh, can Doc Rivers PERSON invent a time machine before Friday at 5.30 p.m.? I will say, Rivers' career seems like it's just like every time he gets a player just right at

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the wrong time in his career, right? He got James Harden at just too late of James Hardin PERSON. He got Chris PERSON Paul just, or not Chris, well, I got Chris Paul PERSON kind of right in his prime, but he got Blake Griffin just at the wrong time. Right?Like he just like misses these guys by like a year or two. And that may be how he got Dame PERSON, right? Dame, he probably had Dane three years ago. This wouldn't perfect, but he just, able to coached Dame PERSON just the wrong time.

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Have you seen back to the future?

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I have. It's one of my favorite, well, my favorite movie series.

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So they need Doc Brown instead of Doc Rivers PERSON. And then they could have the DeLorean to make their players younger. That's the answer.

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28-year-old Dame on this Bucks ORG team probably wins this series.

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And then this Bucs ORG team probably wins the championship. I mean, a 28-year-old Dame PERSON, but 28-year-old Yanis is like the most five-place. Now that we're at this point, we're talking about Back to the Future ORG, I'm allowed to bring up non-super serious, super serious stuff. Draymond Green said this on his podcast after game one of the series, and I really had to think about it. He said, even without Janus, this is the best team Dame PERSON's ever been on in the playoffs.And I was like, that might be right no what was

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the year they made the conference finals 2019 yes that's correct 2019 right they lost the warriors

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no one would be in the warriors those years no but that team was pretty good that had him a column

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who was in his prime and nerkitch and a few other guys i I mean, this Bucks ORG team, it kind of feels like they,

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kind of reminds me of those LeBron Cavs teams in the 2008, 9, 10 range,

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where like they kind of kept making move to move to keep their super

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sort of happy, but at some point they kind of just like kept trading in younger

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for older and the older eventually became just too old, right? They had guys who had been good, but they couldn't find the current good star to go with. And that's where it feels like the Bucks ORG are, right? I mean, you look even Boston GPE. Boston is basically like everyone in the roster is five years younger than every best Bucks ORG player, right?I mean, except for Best Drew Holiday PERSON. And so, like, right, they traded 30-something-year-old Drew for a little bit older Dame PERSON, and they thought, you know, they just, it's kind of the disease of having this great superstar that you want to put the best team around, but don't always have the money or picks to make it work, and you're not a destination city, essentially.

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Can I now convince you that Draymond Green PERSON is right pretty easily?

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Here is the starting five of the Damien-Lillard Conference ORG final team.

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Are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Dame PERSON, great player.

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Great, easy.

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C.J. McCollum PERSON, he was pretty good.

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At the three, at the three, Moe Hartless PERSON.

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Got the tough one.

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At the four, Al Farucominu PERSON.

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And at the five, Nurkitt PERSON, right?

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No, they did not have Nurkish PERSON yet.

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They didn't have Nurkish PERSON yet?

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Oh, yeah.

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At the five, Enis Faridon PERSON.

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Enis Cantor PERSON.

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This Buck PERSON's team is better than that team, I think.

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That trip was out of the team.

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What happened that year?

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They should have made the conference finals, right?

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Like there was something.

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Okay, they played the Thunder in the first round.

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That was the Russ, Russ Thunder ORG, but no one else.

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And then they played the Nuggets ORG in a

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crazy seven game series where McComwell PERSON.

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That's right, where Yowich PERSON had like a billion

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points, but no one around him. Like literally

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he had nothing around him. I don't think

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Murray PERSON was even on the, even either not on the roster

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or not good yet, I think maybe was what it was.

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Yeah, Yoketch averaged 27 and

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14 that series. Jamal Murray PERSON was really good and no one else

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was good enough. Yeah, like a triple

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overtime game where he scored like 55 points.

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Am I imagining that year?

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Was that that year?

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Yes.

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Yeah, C.J. McCollum outscored Dame PERSON per game in that series. In that,

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McCollum PERSON was really good in his prime. I know he wasn't like Janus PERSON. I mean, but I would say McCollum PERSON is probably as good as maybe, maybe it's not. Middellton PERSON, maybe at the time.The Middleton's probably the 15th and 20th best player in the league, and McCollum PERSON was probably in the same range, maybe a little bit lower.

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So the truly the best team dame has been on.

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The Aldridge one from 2016.

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Yeah, the Aldridge PERSON one. Yeah, I knew you're going to say that one. But that team didn't do anything.

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Because that was the league was so,

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the Clippers ORG and the warriors were really good. And they're just like, there's too many good teams ahead of them. So anyway, uh, I mean, I guess he's not totally wrong.

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Mark Brown gets hired by Doc Rivers PERSON and maybe the bucks will be better.

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Yeah, we were saying it's like, maybe the bucks will somehow pull, you know, something out of their ass.

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But we can't, we look, we can't forever be like, well, they're older and not be like,

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well, the people are younger.

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And maybe they mentally get in their own way and have a bad variance game and lose.

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So you got to think that one home.

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I mean, you got to think the home crowd's got it.

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They're just, it's an uplifting thing theoretically. But you never, you never know, people get. I just think what we saw with them see Akram PERSON was sort of the like thing that's like, okay, if all less fails, this guy doesn't, is not getting nervous at this moment, right? He's sort of figuring, he's figured out how to like, you know,

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because he could see it, right? I mean, it's game too. Like, every time they needed a bucket, it was like, let's find Siacom ORG. It'll be good.

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The J.J. McCarthy PERSON era of my life has begun officially.

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Well, you know, he's won every place he's been. Every place he goes. He wins since high school. That's always the lead. I, you know, he's won every place he's been. Every place he goes.

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He wins since high school. That's always the lead.

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I think someone was saying he'd think he's lost like one or two games since high school. Like three years started in high school and, you know, lost one game and lost one time at Michigan, I think, in his three years. Maybe twice in Michigan GPE. That might be twice in Michigan GPE, but still, he always wanted to do it.

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Did not enjoy the current cousin's era. So I am, I am excited for something new. How about that? That is it. I guess that was Case Keenum PERSON, right?

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Chase Keenum PERSON was through the touchdown pass to

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Stefan Vicks, right? That was not Kirk Cousins PERSON.

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I've never met.

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You're on it. Yeah, their best year was Keenum PERSON. And the best Kirk year team, Blair Walsh PERSON missed a field goal that I could have made, so that was fun.

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In the old UMM Stadium FAC when it was freezing cold outside.

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Freezing cold, really windy.

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Yeah, I remember that.

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No more comments.

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The many Colts fans who are listening, the 15th pick hasn't happened yet.

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I hope everybody is very happy. It seems like a lot of people want that Bowers guy from Georgia. That is the end of my footwork here. Looking forward to game three tonight. I'll podcast as soon as I can afterwards. Maybe on the floor.I'll probably drive home because it's not that far. This was great, Adam PERSON. It was fun to talk about the playoffs with you again because we haven't done it for a good

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Pacer ORG's team in a while.

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I got a plan to talk about it.

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Injured Vic PERSON for a full series.

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Injured to bonus for a full series. It was like pulling teeth.

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I'm pretty sure we get a pocket with me.

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I lost the playing game to the, the Wizards in 21, 21. Well, remember the whole year we were like, they can't guard Russell Westbrook PERSON.They can't guard Russell Westbrook PERSON. And then sure enough,

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they couldn't guard Russell Westbrook PERSON. That was the last time we did a playoffish game and that was, that team was so depressing. If they had Caris Lavert of today on that team, they might have won because us. That was the last time we did a playoff-ish game, and that was, that team was so depressing.

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If they had Carus Leverta today on that team, they might have won because he's actually a good defender now, but they could not guard us at all.

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Oh, man. I don't know. That whole, that whole year was like, that was the most depressing.

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Everything posed to trading away, Vic, and pre-Halliburton ORG was just like, oh, my.

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Well, I think the shining light of that year was it showed ownership that they had to spend money for a good coach. And so they went out and spent money for a good coach who even if maybe you argue that he's not the best coach ever, like he brings a level of confidence and stability to help you grow in organization versus a young hot shot who clearly made everyone mad.

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Yeah, look, I'm a lot higher on Rick Carlisle than the fans are, which, whatever, that's not worth my talking about right now.

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I think he's great.

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I mean, this team is doing exactly what you think they should do this year of not exceeding expectations. So what else do you expect him? And he's got great reactions. His face onto certain things is hilarious. I mean, he is just like, I remember Riccala PERSON from the, like,the 0,2, oh, three, four days when he was a little bit, you know, hair and he was a little bit less reaction. Although he was still kind of curmudgeonly. I remember one time he was saying the Patriots had to win a game six because, you know, once he doesn't take the second round match up to seven, like, it's not a thing that you should do with a one seed. And the Pacers then went and beat the, the Dwayne Wade, Miami heat, 04 in Miami in game six. But, like, his reactions now are like, just like, beyond funny.It's like dad level just like rolling his eyes, not happy at like calls and just funny.

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He makes his emotions very obvious. You know what he is really good at that no one gives him credit for? And I'm going to do it now because the Sixers ORG just lost because they sucked at it. Rick Carlisle is super good at Colin PERSON timeouts, man. He is like 10 steps onto the floor, like in the paint already.

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Well, and I think the thing you have to remember is like, it hasn't been this way for a long time, maybe since Vogel PERSON. Like, out of timeout plays, the Pacers ORG run a very competent to get buckets out of timeouts. And the buck screwed this up a couple times. The doc is not that great at it, right?But like, he does like the little things that you kind of need it of a coach.

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I haven't even talked about this in the show. I have never, ever seen a team call timeout to avoid an eight-second call and then get a five-second on the imbound.

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I know. Time out. Holy, holy, that was terrible. That's what I mean. He does these little things well. And he clearly has some skill with younger players, right? He has the same with the buff, or not like, the, the maths and sort of of the post-Dirk years, you know, he does, like, he- Yeah. Luca PERSON helped him a lot, I think,

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with that stuff. Yeah. But, I mean, he clearly like he. Luca PERSON helped him a lot, I think, with that stuff.

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Yeah, but I mean, he clearly has some connection with, like, how to, like, build an offense around a younger speed. And he, yeah, I mean, he's, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know why people are hating on him. I mean, I don't, you want to change as a coach. He's doing what he should be doing, right?

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Maybe in three years, if they're not as.

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The headliner is the defense, right?

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Yeah, but like he, but like, I don't know.

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The offense is kind of the show.

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Like, it's the offense is the defense.

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I don't know at this point. I agree. I agree with you, to be clear. I just, that is the. In two years, people can start complaining, but like at this point, he's taking a team. Well, also, let's see the rest of the series. That's true.

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They blow this series and something maybe, but like, if they win this series, maybe, and then, you know, in two years we can start being like, okay, he can't get this team to this point, but he got another this point.

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See the rest of the series.

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Yeah.

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Okay, this was awesome. We'll be back after game three talking whatever happened. I will predict Pacers win game three, and then game four is a lot of chatter about Janus leading into game four. But I agree. I am very wrong about this team all the time. And part of what's made this season so interestingis no one can predict what the patience will do. Talking game for you tomorrow. Thank you all for listening. See you soon. A Prime members, you can listen to this locked on podcast ad free on Amazon Music ORG.

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