Did Darvin Ham Make Budenholzer a Tough Sell For Lakers Fans? Would Mark Jackson Make Sense?

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Welcome to Locked on Lakers 4 Thursday, Brian Komenetsky, Andy Komenetsky PERSON. Could Darwin Ham's PERSON total lack of popularity make it really hard to hire the next coach, depending on who that guy is? We'll tell you next.

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Thanks to everybody for making Locked- Lakers. First listen of every day, Monday through Friday, no matter how or where you get your podcast, this one's always free and never behind paywall and locked on Lakers on YouTube ORG. So we're over 24,000 subscribers are all hanging out,talking Lakers ORG, getting themselves ready for an off season. They came a little early. So a few things that we want to get into as we turn our attention back towards the coaching search. Some people on the YouTube channel have been asking us really for years about Mark Jacksonand this percolates, you know, given how often the Lakers ORG turn through coaches. I was going to say they've unfortunately,

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whether you like the idea of hiring Mark Jackson PERSON or not, there have been way too many opportunities just to ask, why not Mark Jackson PERSON? And so that is a bigger problem than Mark Jackson PERSON himself, again, whether you want to hire him or not.

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The problem isn't Mark Jackson, it's Mark Jackson's PERSON season. So.

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Yes, very much so.

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For those who celebrate, which is apparently the Lakers ORG. It comes far more often than like eclipses or comments or things like that, that's for sure. So we'll get into that and respond to the collective question that we're gettingon the YouTube page. We'll get into some advice respond to the collective question that we're getting on the YouTube page. We'll get into some advice, some sound advice that has been given to the Lakers ORG about what they need to do regardless of who they coach. But first, we have a piece of data or data. Are you a data or a data person?

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I usually say data, but I don't know why. For this show, I've been going data. I think it's because of Fisdale, David Fisdale PERSON. Take that for data.

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But yeah, anyway, but that really indicates an interesting wrinkle in who the Lakers ORG might need or

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might not be able to bring in to replace Darvin Ham. We'll get to all that in a second,

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but first I do want to let you know

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It was it was during, I believe, it was either Monday show or were talking around, potential? It was, it was during, I believe, it's either Monday's show or Tuesday's show. We ended up, we were not planning on this as a topic. No.Somehow we ended up on the idea of whether or not Darwin Ham PERSON being seen rightly, accurately as a Mike Budenholzer PERSON disciple. He spent many years on two different staffs with Mike Boodenholzer PERSON, the hawks, the bucks, whether that time under Bud PRODUCT would make Bud a very difficult sell as the guy who replaces Darwin PERSON, because again, you would be replacing guy you fired with the guy who taughtthe guy you fired everything he knows. And it ended up leading to the question of whether or not fans in an either or, I want to make it clear, this is an either or you have to pick one, even if you want neither, you have to pick one. Either Mike Budenholzer PERSON, who is a far more sensible hire and does have a ring a few years ago, but again, the connection to Darwin, or bring back Phil Jackson, who's almost 80 years old, has been out of coaching.

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It'll be 79 at the start of the season next year.

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He has been out of coaching for more than a decade at down the tail end of his coaching career, which Brian and I covered. We were around that team every day. Phil Jackson PERSON was making it clear then that he was having a difficult time relating to the kids who are now even younger. And Phil PERSON was struggling to get around then, much less now.

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He projects a very strong these teenagers need to get off my lawn vibe. So, yeah.

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So who would Laker ORG fans rather have? Brian insisted, well, of course the answer is going to be Mike Boonholzer PERSON because Phil Jackson PERSON makes no sense. I said, you're correct. But if we put this to the listeners and the viewers, Phil Jackson PERSON's going to win. So we did a poll in the community section of the YouTube ORG.And lo and behold, 738 votes show that Phil Jackson, 64% over Mike Boodenhulzer PERSON. Checkmate, dummy.

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I had much more. I think this poll was filled with outside agitators. This poll was filled with outside agitators.

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Even if 20% were just trolling to make you look foolish, it doesn't change the fact, then it just shifts to 60, 40 bud, which is still insane. That's ridiculous.

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But I told you it would be the case.

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And I guess it's just that,

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Darwin PERSON's just that unpopular. And so while you could look at it and, you know, in maybe the sense of like the Lakers are firing Anakin and hiring Obi-Wan PERSON, he was the teacher and like, you know, he's pretty good. You know,maybe there's a way to look at it that way. But another guy whose pupil didn't work out.

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Yes, it's true.

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His pupil caused a lot of damage.

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He came through in the end.

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He did come through in the end. A lot that needed to.

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A lot of dead people later.

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A lot of dead people, a blown up death star.

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Like, do we have to blow up El Segundo GPE in order for this thing to work out?

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A little late for the folks on Alderon FAC, but yes, he did come around in the end.

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It is indicative just of how unpopular Darwin Ham PERSON is that the, you know, the guy, you know,

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certainly the highest profile former head coach that has been circulating. And we'll get to Mark Jackson here in a minute. But like of the guys who are sort of in the market currently whose names, you know, recently been a coach as opposed to, you know, the Bang Gundy's and Jackson PERSON's of the world who are or I was thinking Mark Jackson PERSON but also Phil Jacksonwho have been out of the game for a little while in that regard. My question to you is this though. Okay, so people aren't thinking super rationallyright now about whether or not Phil Jackson PERSON also insulted LeBron James's PERSON like entire you know support group you know is the agent.

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I mean there's management team they're like I'm just like all of it it's like the the entire

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infamously years ago he referred to Maverick Carter and Rich Paul PERSON and others that control

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LeBron PERSON's business interests, his careers, all this stuff.

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And by the way, do it very well.

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Referred to them as LeBron PERSON's posse, which has all sorts of just terrible connotations to it.

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Phil did eventually apologize, but word on the street was LeBron PERSON was very rightly insulted by it.

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And I also doubt Phil PERSON meant it.

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I will question without going back and hearing it, looking it up, whatever,

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I will go ahead and question the sincerity of Phil Jackson's PERSON apology there,

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just from being around Phil PERSON. The question that I have, though, is let's say, you know, this is sort of reflective of the general feelings about Bud or a, you know, Charles Lee PERSON. They wanted to go with another assistant from the Bud PRODUCT tree. Bud PRODUCT, by the way, comes from the pop tree so it's not like he they just found like buddnholz PERSON are under a rock somewhere i mean he's got a pretty goodpedigree of his own does it matter that lakers fans before we get to lebron FAC and ad and all the other people all the other stakeholder here stakeholders here do think, Andy PERSON, that it matters if fans are that much against the higher from the jump as this poll might indicate? Because again, people voted for the 79-year-old who insulted LeBron and really does not seem to connect all that well with today's youth. So that's my question for you next. Lockdown Lakers is brought to you by Yahoo Finance ORG.

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All right.

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Being the coach of an NBA ORG basketball team is not necessarily like running for student council president where it is ostensibly a popularity contest.

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But, you know, optics matter.

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It's the, the, it can get directly into the type of media coverage you get and all this.

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So I'm wondering how much you think it matters how on board Lakers ORG fans are. And if they are already off board with a guy like Budenholzer PERSON, who again, if you want to hire a coach with some experience is as accomplished, really is the most accomplished coach that's out there and available to hire.

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Well, if your accomplishment bar has a championship on his resume, Mike Boodenholzer PERSON will be your first and only choice. There is nobody else who will realistically shake out that is going to be a remotely sensible choice. So it's basically Mike Boodenholzer PERSON or somebody that maybe was an assistant on a championship season, but not the head coach. As far as the fans, you know, sentiment towards it and that sort of feedback, the excitement, if you really truly think Mike Boodonholzer PERSON is the best option,and we'll get more into detail about it, but you have enough player approval that you feel like you're going to be going, you're going to be moving forward just with everybody on the same page in a positive place, then I don't think fan sentiment should stop you from doing it, but you need to be extremely aware of the marketing challenge and the selling challenge that is going to be there with Mike Budenholzer PERSON.And this is something I got into a little bit of, I want to say a back and forth because it wasn't hostile or anything like that, but a discussion with somebody in the comment section of the YouTube page who thought that me bringing this up was ridiculous. And I'm like, no, it's not. I have seen enough sentiment and I've spent enough time around Laker ORG fans to know that there is going to be some great apprehension, if not flat out unhappiness with Budenholzer PERSON, right orwrong because of his connection to Darwin Ham PERSON. I can promise you that's going to be the case. Do I think it's enough of a reason not to hire him? No, but I do think it's something you have to consider because this being your seventh try at a coach since 2011, it's probably time that you got it right. And if you want an example of how fan sentiment can get things off on the wrong foot in a very poisonous way from the beginning, look no further than Mike Dantone PERSON.When they brought in Mike Dantone to coach Steve Nash, they messed this up in a way that made it seem like a decision between Mike Dantone and Phil Jackson PERSON. a decision between Mike Dantony and Phil Jackson PERSON, Dantone PERSON was never going to win that. And it got everything off to a very bad foot that ultimately, you know, Dantone PERSON made some mistakes of his own,but I don't think he ever recovered from that introduction.

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Now apparently they're choosing between Boone and Holzer and Phil Jackson again. Like we're right back to the same place, Andy PERSON.

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Let's make it clear. The organization is not doing that. This is a false choice we presented. I want to make sure there's a thousand different ways.

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Calm down aggregators.

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There's a thousand different ways.

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Clearly the franchise can F this up.

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Let's not make up reasons. Local,

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local podcasters declare Phil Jackson and Mike Bodenholz are leading candidates for Lakers ORG job.

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Like, let's at least limit it to all the mistakes that they're organically going to make, not the ones that we choose for them.

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It is reflect.

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I don't,

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I think,

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I think you're right.

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I mean, it matters. Like the vibes matter. They don't matter. They don't matter. They don't matter so much that if you really like,bud, you don't hire him or you think Charles Lee PERSON is a great up, up-and-coming assistant, that's where you want to go. I mean, look,I think Mike and Norrie PERSON, um, he is made a strong. He is a very strong. My vote, man. I think Mike and Norrie PERSON made a strong

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my boat, man. Right.

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As a lifelong supporter of Mike andori PERSON, for people who don't know Mike Anori PERSON is the assistant in Minnesota who is essentially doing the walking for Chris Finch whohad a knee surgery after he's collided with in the first round. And so Mike Anori PERSON has been really literally out up and in front for the Timberwolves over these first couple games of the series where they've done very well and is considered an architect of that defense, which is as good as any in basketball by a lot. So, you know, people probably didn't know who Mike and Norrie PERSON was.Many people are looking at those first two games and thinking, that's a heck of an audition tape. And so, hell, we might be able to get Chris Finch if he keeps this up.

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Chris Finch might be available.

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Just roll them all, roll them on over in that little cart he's got.

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Put him in his rascal and send him on his way.

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Look, I mean, they play at UCLA ORG. They practice it like UCLA Health Center ORG or whatever it is.

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Like there are doctors all over that place.

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And so like, but the assistant coach thing is, is, is always a really interesting

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one. And, you know, David Adelman PERSON is considered, you know, an architect of, of what they're doing offensively in Denver GPE. And so, like, people probably are looking at the series and going, well, David Adelman's the wrong guy.

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It's like, well, you know, and I was, if Mike and Norrie doesn't make himself a lot of money this offseason, he's put himself in position to be hired somewhere pretty darn soon because Minnesota ORG's just looked that good. But like, this is the the this is both the problem and like the box you're in when you keep churning through coaches is you lose credibility really quicklyon the decisions you make. And now like people are rightly questioning Rob Polinka PERSON is like, well, you're the guy who hired Darwin PERSON. I thought it was a good idea. I was a good idea. Most people did. Well, you're the guy who hired um, Darwin PERSON. Okay,

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I thought it was a good idea. Right.

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I mean,

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most people did.

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Um, and you're the guy, you know, certainly he was, he was involved with the Frank PERSON thing, right?Yeah. Magica quit. Right. So, you know, and that was there,being like,

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you don't even really get tons and tons of credit for Vogel PERSON necessarily because he was your third choice. Of course.

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They really wanted kid. They just didn't like the object.

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That's true. So fourth.

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At best. Remember, they hired the guy they wanted just to be around. I mean, when Frank PERSON failed.

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This is where we've talked about this before, where you knew that the organization was never truly behind Frank Vogel PERSON and never ever bought in even after the championship because they gave him the fake extension. Right. Part of his last season with the Lakers, they gave him a one year extension.You don't do that with a coach that you respect who just won you a championship. So, you know, Rob, you know, Frank PERSON turned, it worked with Frank. But, you know, it's not like this was the guy they circled and said. And they also, you know, were with the crew that lowballed Tyloo, which is why I saw a great quote. I believe it was from Zach Lowe that says the Lakers are smitten with Tylo PERSON. I am also smitten with Tyloo,but he should be their coach right now, and we shouldn't be going through this. And so, you know, it's legitimate to question the people who are doing the hiring. And so it puts things,you want to make sure you're doing stuff in a way that it empowers the next coach. And if you are doing it in a way where half the Lakers ORG fans are going, wait a minute, you just hired the same guy you just fired. And I don't think that's accurate or fair, but people are going to think that.You can argue whether or not you're really empowering him. I want to get to this Mark Jackson PERSON thing and then get back to this question of empowerment. So a couple things to come in the third segment next. Lockdown Lakers is brought to you by Monopoly Go PRODUCT.

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Mark Jackson's name always pops up, you know, whenever the Lakers ORG are going through coaching churn, which means Mark Jackson's PERSON name always pops up, you know, whenever the Lakers are going through coaching churn, which means Mark Jackson's name always pops up. I am, I am not a fan of Mark Jackson PERSON as a, really, I'm really not a fan of him as a broadcaster either, but as a, as a head coaching candidate. And I, you know, it's, it is related to the time he's been away. It has been related to the, you know, at least the reporting on how his tenure ended in Golden State GPE.And, and just a feeling that he is not a modern coach. So I have not been a big fan of the idea of Mark Jackson PERSON. I get the fascination. I just don't think it's a good idea.

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Yeah, I tend to agree. I actually left a comment in the couple shows ago in the YouTube ORG section, just because before we were able to address it, we'd just seen so many, what about Mark Jackson PERSON? What about Mark Jackson PERSON? Like you, I am very wary aboutbringing people back who've been gone that long. Like you mentioned Jeff Van Gundy PERSON. He'd be

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the same way. Obviously, we've established we would not rehire Phil Jackson PERSON.

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To Mark Jackson's credit, he is not 79. So he doesn't have that going for. But he has been gone

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for a decade. The game has changed a lot in a

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decade. He's, you know, he's traveled during his time as a broadcaster, but it's not the same

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wear and tear and grind of being a coach. And if you've been gone from that for a while,

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I think that can be a lot to reacclimate yourself towards that,

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if I'm being perfectly honest

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when he was a broadcaster,

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there was a lot of his commentary about the game that, you know, acknowledging Mark Jackson PERSON knows more about basketball than I ever will, but there was a lot in the way he expressed how he saw the game that I just flat outdisagreed with him. He also has, you alluded to this a bit, Brian. He has a reputation is very difficult to get along with and a conflict seeker.

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And given how much of a struggle it has been for the Lakers ORG to land on a coach,

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somebody of that temperament feels like a big time red flag to me.

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Like putting aside some of the, you know, I'll just address the elephant in the room,

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the reports of Mark Jackson PERSON being homophobic, of him being overly religious in the way that

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he would coach the team in ways that are inappropriate for a workplace.

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Right, right.

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Those are things that if I'm being flat out candid,

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I don't agree with and I don't think, like you said, are appropriate.

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But in some respects, they're the least of what would make me apprehensive about firing them because some of that stuff is just report.

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Excuse me.

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Sorry,

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it's the Lakers ORG. You skipped to the end. Yeah, that's true.

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Sorry, Mark PERSON. I'm just cutting the chase. You're getting fired.

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One day, we will review the,

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what went wrong in the tenure of Mark Jackson with the Lakers ORG?

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I want to apologize to Mark Jackson PERSON there.

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That was not fair to him.

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He should at least get to coach here before he's fired.

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Does Mark Jackson PERSON deserve as much blame as he's getting?

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Since the Lakers ORG let him go.

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Or finally we're going to pin blame on Rob Belinka PERSON.

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Right.

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But like those elements, again, not particularly my worldview in terms of whether you're talking about culturally, just the way to run an organization and run your locker room, stuff like that.

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But some of that stuff was just reports as opposed to on the record. Some of it was so long ago.

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He may have adjusted the way he would approach this. But again, it's the other stuff that is much more of an issue to me.

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I always wonder to like, look, guys leave. They get burned out. It's very intense work. But you know, Mark Jackson PERSON's been available for a long time. And there's a reason probably there are people who think he's been blackballed for some of the stuff that I've mentioned.

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Sure. But in very me and also I've heard, you know, guys like him in a situation making a ton of money doing what he does for ESPN ORG. It doesn't need to just take the first available job. Um, but also, you know, so I, he's,

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he's been very picky, I think is also part of that. But I did, I think the window has closed. It just, there are so many young, um, dynamic,you know, I think more modern coaches that are out there and available or guys who have been inside the rooms working with these young assistants and doing all this kind of stuff really hands on in ways that broadcasters aren't over this time. So like, you know, you can stay flexible.You can have modern thinking while being a relatively old coach compared to the, you know, the 36-year-old assistant and stuff like that. But it helps to be in the game. It helps to be part of that. And I just don't, I don't think he's a good idea.I don't think Jeff Van Gundy PERSON is a good idea. For the Lakers ORG to pursue either of them strikes me as them falling back on old habits of we need to find a name. We need a, you know,

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we need a star coach to handle our star players. And, you know, I think,

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I think we've reached a place where you've got to be careful.

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Like the Monty Williams PERSON cautionary tale of like how much you're paying this guy and sort of,

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you know, the coach with enough gravitas who's going to come in and do the job and all these other things. Like you just kind of find the right person and then hope that the learning curve matches what you need. Because like the Lakers ORG are in a bad spot where, you know, if you want to hire a young coach or a first time coach because you thinkultimately they're the best candidate, you still have to maybe build in that, that learning curve time. And that might not be available to you. I mean, the flip side is Darwin's better year was the first one of the two. You know, Jamal Mosley hasn't been out of that long in Orlando ORG and was,it was damn near coach of the year this year.

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So the guys do get it together pretty quickly. Taylor Jenkins PERSON, it was obvious from the beginning was very good. Mark Dagnow was obvious from the beginning. He was very good. Steve Kerr, it was obvious from the beginning was very good. Mark Dagnos PERSON, it was obvious from the beginning. He was very good. Steve Kerr PERSON, it was obvious from the beginning. Ty Lou PERSON.Like there are plenty of examples. I mean, showtime was largely architected by Pat Riley PERSON, who went from the booth to doing this. Like, there are plenty of examples of first timers who do a very good job.

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The difference is, the only difference is like, Danio PERSON, I'd have to look it back up, but like his first season, Jamal Mosley's first, like some of these guys, their initial seasons probably would not be filled with the same level of win now pressure. Of course.

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As the guy who's going to take the job from Mark Jackson PERSON.

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All I'm saying is that their competency was very apparent very quickly. sure. Of course. As the guy who's going to take the job from Mark Jackson PERSON. Sure.

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All I'm saying is that their competency was very apparent very quickly.

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That's all I mean. And I feel like we also are in a place where across sports, are really across everything because coaches have so much more access to game film. They have so much more access to numbers. They have so much, they are no different than everybodyelse with their 10,000 hours and being able to consume stuff faster. You know, the volume of, you know, just because the process, literal process of film study is so muchfaster now than it used to be. You have the ability to pull up individual clips that you might want from any game that's being played anywhere. It allows these guys to learn in ways, and the same is true as players, by the way. It allows these guys to learn faster.So I think there is less danger than there used to be. You just don't know. Part of it, you just don't know. It's Harry Stotz PERSON, you know what the flaws are. You know, Mike Boodenholzer, you know what the flaws are. I don't know what Mike and Norrie PERSON's flaws are as a head coach. I don't. Okay. Here's another example. He was not a first

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time head coach, but he was coming, he was coming off a tenure that even though he had gone to the finals, I'm talking about Mike Brown, his initial stint with the Cleveland Cavaliers ORG that was largely seen as the product of LeBron carrying that sorry roster to the finals, I'm talking about Mike Brown, his initial stint with the Cleveland Cavaliers, that was largely seen as the product of LeBron PERSON carrying that sorry roster to the finals as opposed to Mike Brown. Mike Brown will be the first to admit when the Lakers ORG had him for a season in five games, he was not ready for that role. And you and I covered that team. And as a person, we thought the absolute world of Mike Brown PERSON. And you could tell, that team. And as a person, we thought the absolute world ofMike Brown PERSON. And you could tell, I mean, he was even then a defensive genius, like somebody you would want on your staff. He was not ready then like he is now to command a room. Like he, that time with the Lakers ORG, he has said, and even if he didn't say it, it was obvious because you've heard enough players say it and you and I watched it, he was not ready for that role with this team.

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It's just, there's a lot.

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And the move from assistant, lead assistant, whatever it is, you know, offensive coordinator,

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defensive coordinator to head coach where you have to assemble a staff.

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You're responsible for it.

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You're,

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you know,

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the, the ways in which you communicate with your players changes, the lines that have to be drawn between you and your players change. All these are the things. And so it's, you know,there are, there are brilliant assistants who, if the context isn't right, will fail, at least in their first head coaching. There's a lot of reasons guys kind of fail at the beginning and come back and do better the second time because they learn.But then again, not all experience is good. Sometimes you don't always learn the right lessons from stuff. Maybe you get a little more stubborn. Maybe you say, well, this thing happened to me, so I have to react the other way, like the next time when, you know, maybe you stick to your print. I don't know. Not all experience is good or pushes people in the right direction.So it's a tricky proposition for the Lakers, but I think we can all agree that the available Jackson PERSON's are the wrong way to go.

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