Can the Miami Heat Learn From the Knicks? Tyler Herro's Future and Team Needs

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It's the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Nixar arrival in the Eastern Conference ORG, but have they provided a possible template for Miami next season? Plus, Tyler Hero's PERSON future with the heat might be in doubt. So what is the team do next? And does Miami ORG need to add more size?We'll answer all that and more on today's episode of locked on heat you are locked on heat you are locked on heat your daily Miami ORG heat

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locked on heat your daily podcast on the Miami Heat ORG. I'm Wes Goldberg PERSON, editor at all-you-can Heat.com. Joining me, as always, it's credentialed heat media member, David Ramil PERSON. However, you're tuning in on YouTube, Odyssey PRODUCT or your favorite podcast app. Thanks for making Locked on Heat, your first listen every day. If you're watching us on YouTube ORG, hit that like button, hit that subscribe button.If you're listening to us on your podcast app, please leave us a five-star review. Today's episode is brought to you by PrizePix ORG. It's the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports. Go to prizedpix.com slash locked on NBA ORG. Use the code all lowercase, locked on NBA for a first deposit match up to $100. We're going to take a few more of your listener questions later in the show, including one about Tyler Hero's PERSON future.But David PERSON, you and I were talking before we started recording here. You brought up an interesting point that there could be something about the Knicks ORG playoff run that could be a template of sorts for the heat going forward. What did you mean by that?

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No, I just think a lot of people are drawing parallels between New York's GPE run. And it's been such a wild ride because I don't know if you saw a game two in their win against the Indiana Pacers ORG.

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And, you know, they are so chaotic.

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And they lost, you know, they've lost Julius Randall PERSON. They've lost Bogdanovich PERSON. They've lost Mitchell Robinson PERSON. And yesterday Brunson PERSON goes out with a foot injury early on. And then OG PERSON and NNOB gets hurt midway through the game as well. And somehow, despite a double-digit deficit to Indiana ORG, they wind up finding a way to come back and winning pretty easily against those same pacer.So there's just some kind of crazy chaos energy right now that's working at Madison Square Garden FAC, and it just seems to be benefiting this team. I think a lot of people see that group and say, you know what, they're a really fun, interesting team to watch. I know there's probably some older fans that view the Knicks ORG as still a heated rival and everything else, but despite that rivalry, you can still appreciate perhaps some of the stylistic similarities between Miami ORG.And I think some people started viewing that as, well, maybe this is a possible template for Miami ORG in terms of being able to move forward and have the same kind of plucky team with basically role models and building a roster around their star player with just high-level role players. And I saw this argument on social media. So I'll be a cop to it 100%.I know a lot of people were talking about this on social media. And maybe that's not necessarily the best place to get a specific topic or a way of analyzing these teams or anything like that.

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Yeah, but if it gets your brain going.

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Yeah, it just made me think about that. And honestly, though, I don't see it. Like, I think, I think my, I think the York ORG is fine. I think you're a really fun, good team to watch, et cetera. I don't think you're better than Miami ORG. And I know some people will argue that based on what we saw from the heat this past season.But considering, you know, that New York has taken on the Pacers ORG and, you know, they're not exactly a great team either. As fun as they are offensively, they're just as bad defensively. And I'm drawing up like that. Who do they face in the East in the first round? Oh, the Philadelphia 30-6ersly. And I'm drawing it back to that. Who do they face in the East in the first round?

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Oh, the Philadelphia's 36ers and Joel Embed PERSON. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, yeah. They faced Joel Embed in the 76ers ORG team and they beat them.

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So, you know, I don't, again, I don't know that they've proven anything that they're a sufficiently great team. And this isn't a knock on the Knicks ORG or anything like that, you know. This isn't about, you know, the Knicks, I don't care what path they take to the Eastern Conference ORG finals, if, in fact, they wind up getting there or anything like that. You know, this isn't about, you know, the Knicks, I don't care what path they take to the Eastern Conference finals, if in fact they wind up getting there or anything like that. There's no asterisk for me in terms of, there's no big Knicks ORG fan back there.I mean, let her chime in if he wants to.

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To me, I just think that the Nicks have taken advantage

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of whatever opponents they face, and that's fine. But I don't see that roster and see that as constructed much better than Miami ORG. And that's something that we've kind of forgotten is that Miami made their move acquiring Terry Rozier PERSON. Had they had their full complement of players, they probably would have been able to duplicate some of last year's success, or at least stylistically, they would have been very similar,at least from what my perspective is, to what we're seeing in New York GPE. You've got a one-man player, basically, a superstar in Jalen Brunson PERSON, a guy who plays top whatever five in MVP voting, and he was a really, really good playerduring the course of the regular season. He's been phenomenal in the playoffs, and then you're getting some great, strong performances from a supporting cast. That's how it should be. The problem with Miami ORG is they didn't have that superstar.They didn't have that star level player. And certainly they didn't have it during the regular season, but they didn't have it during the postseason the way they've had over the last five season two, which is Jimmy Butler PERSON. And that's part of the problem is that they didn't have Jimmy Butler PERSON available so that

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there wasn't a natural hierarchy for everybody to kind of excel in their role as those

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complementary role players. So I don't know. Do you see that next team and be like, oh, this is something that Miami ORG can potentially duplicate in terms of maybe building a roster out similarly or acquiring more high-level role players than the ones that they currently have on the roster?

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Well, I do watch the NICS and I say that's what the heat wanted to be this year.

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They embody that culture this year more than the heat did.

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And you know, Jalen Brunson played 77 games in the regular season.

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Jimmy Butler played 60, you know, and that's a big part of the point you made about having that star player at the top so that everybody else could slide into a more natural role. That's how you end up with Tyler Hero trying to run your offense against the Boston Celtics ORG, right? Like, that's, Tyler Hero PERSON's a good player. He's not the number one scorer on a serious title contender. And so, but Jalen Brunson is and Jimmy Butler PERSON when he's healthy is and has been.But what the Knicks are doing right now is very similar to what the Heat did do last year. I agree with that part. Like if we're talking about the Heat copying the Knicks ORG, the Knicks are kind of copying what the heat did, right? Like the Knicks right now, they're shooting 39% from three in the playoffs. That's what the Heat shot last year in the playoffs. You had Jimmy Butler playing at a Michael Jordan playoff Jimmy level, heroic stuff, just like what you're seeing from Jalen Brunson PERSON right now.

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And then unreal kind of out of this world performances by guys like Caleb Martin and Max Drews and Gabe Vincent PERSON and all these guys, right? That all stepped up at the exact right time. The Knicks ORG are really good. And both, by the way, you had Eric Spolster, great coach, Thibodeau PERSON, great coach, right? So you had good,

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strong leadership in both of those situations too, which is worth including. But that was last year and this year.

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Going forward, I do think that there's a lesson the heat can learn from what the NICs have done. And to me, the NICs, everything changed for New York GPE. Last trade deadline, between last trade deadline and this trade deadline, when they started sending out some of their players that didn't necessarily fit with what they were trying to accomplish and got players who did. So over those last few years, they go out and get Adonte DiVincenzo PERSON.They go out and get O.G. and Anobi PERSON. They're trading a manual quickly out. They're doing things like that. Young players who they liked, Quentin Grimes, out. What did they end up doing is they constructed a roster where nobody's a bad defender. There is not a weak defender in that lineup.And everybody complements their star player, Jalen Brunson PERSON. And that was a very, and they didn't trade future draft picks away to do it, which is the most impressive thing.

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So they maintain all of their flexibility so that they can pounce, perhaps,

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at the star who makes sense that complements their current in-house star in Brunson PERSON. And I think the heat can definitely learn from that. As opposed to trading white picks on all these things, not getting married to some of the young players who you've grown and developed in-house and admitting these are good players,but maybe they're not the right fit for us right now, and we've got to trade them out to go get the players who are fits. And maybe it is a little bit of, like, not necessarily higher level role players. I don't like, they're not better role players, but just better fits for what you're trying to do. And I think that's what the Knicks ORG realized and understood and accomplished, right? I don't, like, I think Emmanuel Quickly PERSON is an awesome player.But they were like, it just doesn't work. He needs the ball. We've already got Jalen Brunson PERSON. We need a guy who makes sense for this. So they traded him. And so I think the heat going forward, if they're trying to remake the roster, can learn from that.We have seen now two years in a road, David PERSON, lineups with multiple bad defenders in those lineups that other teams, high-level teams, just pick on and pick on and pick on. And it's cost of the heat, maybe chances at winning a championship because those weak spots just get bigger and bigger on the bigger stage that you get to.And the Knicks ORG don't have that. There's not a player in their lineup that you can just pick on the way that you could pick on some of these guys that have been in the heat's lineup over the last few years.I think the heat would like to have that. I really do.

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You kind of need a positional glut, you know, something that I remember, you know, I've seen over the time is like you have teams sometimes, and especially when they have the, they go through the path of rebuilding and tanking to some degree and getting these high draft picks and you just kind of take the best player

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available, right, regardless of fit, you just want to get these guys on there.

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So Miami ORG just never had that luxury. They've just been able to take whatever players are available, right? Regardless of fit, you just want to get these guys on there. So Miami just never had that luxury.

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They've just been able to take whatever players are available

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and then build up guys through the G League

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and through their own developmental system

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and everything else like that. So they rarely, I can't even think. They don't have positional glut.

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They do.

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They do in what position?

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Well, I don't know if it's a glut. Guts a big word, but I think there's some redundancies on the roster in terms of, okay, you've got Terry Rosier, Duncan Robinson, and Tyler Hero PERSON. And you even heard Pat Riley PERSON at the press conference say, like kind of hint at Spolster might have to figure out if one of those guys between Rosier ORG and Tyler and Tyler is a sixth man in the future.

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And then there's that whole Duncan Robinson versus Tyler Hero PERSON thing. And that's sort of what I mean. The Roseer ORG acquisition, yeah. I mean, that also happened, you know, three months ago, four months ago.

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So, I mean, that, you know, I'm trying to think of like what that path is for Miami ORG,

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now that they have this glut. If that's the case and you want to look at it from that perspective, and that's totally fine, then the obvious move then is to probably try and start exploring trades for Tyler Hero and or Rosier ORG. And I don't know that, I don't think Roseer ORG is the most likely name to get moved. I think it's probably Hero ORG. And that's the piece then that you have to start trading Tyler Hero PERSON to get those kinds of assets for that next move.It's kind of like the hockey assist of transactional moves.

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I don't know that it is. You might be able to make that move right now. We've got a question about Tyler Hero's PERSON future and what the heat could potentially trade him for from a listener. We're going to get to that next here on Locked on Heat WORK_OF_ART. Today's

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and on your favorite podcast app let's get to this question that we didn't get to yesterday. It's about Tyler Hero's PERSON future. This one comes from Coach PERSON. Not sure what coach. 20th. Yeah, probably.If Miami ORG can bring a star in, if Miami ORG cannot bring a star in, what high level role players do you think that they could try to get for Tyler Hero PERSON in a trade? Kind of a two-parter there. We could explore whether or not the Heat can trade Tyler Hero PERSON for a star.You and I are skeptical, and I think rightly so, because the Heat have tried to trade Tyler Hero for the last couple of years for a star, and it hasn't worked. Now, it does not necessarily mean that it won't work just because it hasn't worked, but it's been tougher than maybe they've expected. And I don't know that based on what we've seen this year from Tyler Hero playing just 42 games and then what we saw in the playoffs from him, that his value has gone up since then, right? So I'm going to just-

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You say it's maintained, yeah, you say it's maintained or you think his value is of equal to what it was last off season. I disagree. I think it's kind of down a little bit. But if you're looking for a package of players, whatever Miami may or may not have been able to offer or was theoretically going to offer Portland for Damian Lillard, if it's Jaime Hakez and Nikolovich PERSON, well, those players value has increased.

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So in kind of the aggregate,

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maybe Miami ORG's potential trade package for a star

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might actually be better than what it was last off season,

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despite Tyler's struggles in the playoffs.

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I think the perception from other NBA ORG teams, I think you're exactly right, David PERSON. I don't know that the heat, if the heat thought that Tyler Hero PERSON was like a Tyrese-type of centerpiece in a deal last summer, I don't, and I think this is borne out to be correct, I don't think any other team thought that. But I think the perception fromthe rest of the league is that package, I guess we can call it the Damian Lillard PERSON package, Tyler Hero, Jaime Hakez, Nikola Jovich PERSON, and whatever picks has probably gone up in value as a total package than it was last summer because we saw what Yovich PERSON is. We saw certainly what Hockes PERSON is. And even though the heat did trade one of those picks for Rozier, they get another pick because of the seven-year rule. And so now they're able to trade a 2031 pick that they weren't able to trade last year.So that's there. So we'll see, right? And then it's new stars and it's new names and it's different GMs that you're dealing with, who aren't Joe Cronin PERSON and all these things. So perhaps you are able to just sort of take that package and shop it around and say, can we get a star that we could put next to Jimmy Butler and Bam PERSON in a bio?And that is certainly plan A, I would think, right? Is maybe it's not the whole package, maybe it's a little bit of it or whatever it is, but we're going to try to figure out what star can we go get, because that's just what the heat have done over the last two years. If that doesn't happen, then I do think what the heat have done over the last two years. If that doesn't happen, then I do think that the heathave to maybe come to that realization. I think that they have that the promise that they made to Tyler Hero PERSON last year that we won't trade you unless it's for a future Hall of Famer.You know, Kevin Durant PERSON, Damien Miller PERSON, those kind of guys. Sure. I think they're going to have to back off of that. Do you think they actually made that promise?

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Yes.

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And, you know, whatever, whatever basketball promises, you know.

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Sure, sure.

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They told it to Tyler and his agent.

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Okay, fair enough.

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That we're not going to trade you unless it's for like one of those top 75 players of all times caliber guys. And, you know, you could sort of finesse it too and be like, well, Donovan Mitchell could get there one day. You know, maybe he's one, you know. And so there's a way to sort of, you know, there's a gray area even in that, isn't there? But I think what to the point of the question, though, like if it's not Donovan Mitchell PERSON, if it is just something less, it kind of gets back to the original thing that we were talking aboutwith the Knicks ORG. They moved their guy, RJ Barrett, taken in the same draft. They moved R.J. Barrett and Emmanuel PERSON quickly to go get somebody who made sense for their roster, O.G. Ananovi PERSON. And it took some stuff, but O.G. Innobey PERSON is not going to be a Hall of Famer.He's not going to be a top 75 player of all time. But he's a very high level role player, a very good player. Can you, is there a version of that where the heat could say, okay, here's a tile of hero and

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one other asset, if it takes that other asset, whatever it is, you know what I mean?

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And let's move that for maybe a player that's not necessarily even as good or materially better or certainly not like future Hall of Fame ORG level upgrade, but just fits what we're trying to do better right now.

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I'd love to see it. I mean, I think O.G. Obviously, there's the contractual issue similar to what we're seeing in Miami ORG.

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And that was the thing with Annanobi is like the Toronto was like, we need like a million first round picks.

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And I'm like, actually, he's going to leave in a year. So we'll just take we'll take RJ Barrett. That's fine. Right. And that's and that's it was like, I mean, I think it was a good move by Toronto. I think I think. I think of probably of the players involved, the better player. Yes. But New York got precious at Chua PERSON too. And I mean, he's a fine backup role player. Yeah. But the point is, is there a deal like that, you know, where, I mean, who knows?

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It's impossible to tell.

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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know who that complimentary player is. I don't know who that, that guy is.

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Yeah, okay. That's a good conversation then, right? If you're going to sort of redistribute the, the one-way scorer guy that Tyler Hero PERSON is,

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into another team need. What is that team need? I do think actually the heat need another wing defender. Caleb Martin, Haywood Highsmith PERSON, those guys are free agents. We don't know what their futures are.

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So you might need more length, right? On the perimeter. So you're not getting Ananobe PERSON, but who's out there that could be that type of player? I think that player would be very beneficial to Miami ORG.I think they need somebody who's good at defense,

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potentially a stretch five that can maybe help BAM ORG move to power forward, if that's something that they're serious about doing, or even just a new power forward who's a little bit more of a veteran and ready to play in the playoffs and that kind of guy. Like those are the things that I'm thinking about, or even a new starting two guard who's more of a two-way guy, you know?I think to me I'd be looking for a defensive leaning two-way wing who doesn't, not necessarily is skilled with the ball in his hands as Tala Hero PERSON is, not an off-the-dribble threat, but you don't necessarily need that guy because you have Terry Rozier PERSON now.

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So that's kind of what I'm thinking.

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I don't know who that is.

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No, yeah.

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Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think kind of addressing the question that we're talking about the next time. To me, it would probably be somebody better suited to play the four spot. Not a knock on Nico, but I think you could slide them down to the three. You can slide Jimmy down to the two even. I mean, I know that's kind of.Ooh, I kind of love that. Good big. That's a much bigger, much bigger lineup there. You got Terry Rozier PERSON starting likely. You got Donovan. I'm sorry. Ooh. That was the script. Do you got terry rizier starting likely you got donovan PERSON come i'm sorry

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you got the script you got the script david's got the script Freudian slip PERSON there uh no you get

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duncan coming off the bench and whatever other role players you're able to keep easily

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mistaken mistaken yeah yeah dronovinson donovan mitch tomato PERSON. So, yeah, so similar style of play.

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I think even Duncan PERSON were going to kick out of that comparison.

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But anyway, yeah, no, I think you want more, you need more size. But that versatility defensively that you're talking about, certainly. But, I mean, Anadine is just like he's kind of a one of one, really,

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which is what made his value, despite the contract issue.

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Right. I think he had such high value.

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Like a guy that you could kind of throw out there. He's like, he's a great defender.

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I mean, I don't know that he's one of one. I just don't one of, maybe his situation was one of one. Is that more what you meant because he had that contract issue in Toronto ORG was a little motivated, knowing that he's not going to resign there?

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How many, how many one through five defenders are there?

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Oh, I mean, yeah, yeah, that's fair. Like, Herb Jones PERSON would be the other guy, but New Orleans is not trading Herb Jones. So exactly, that's, he's like the next Ananobe PERSON, isn't he? And so, and, you know, you can, but a two-way wing to me is what you would need to be looking for. I got a list of teams that could be looking for a six-man type in Tyler Hero PERSON, and I thinkthat's just sort of what his value across the league is going to be. It's like, okay, he's not going to be their main driver of your offense, but if the heat shop him as a guy, and you know how I feel about Tyler Hero PERSON. I love Tyler Hero PERSON. I don't want to really see him go, but if the Heat ORG really do need to make these kind of tweaks around the roster, then you have to shop him as a sixth man,not as the next star guard in the NBA ORG. And if you do that, I think actually the field opens up in terms of what you can move them for. I think a team like Toronto makes a lot of sense for Hero ORG. Memphis, Charlotte, Orlando, Detroit, the New Orleans Pelicans ORG, depending on what happens with their whole thing, but they always need more scoring off the bench.Sacramento, because they're probably going to be losing Malik Monk PERSON, I think the Spurs ORG could definitely use some scoring in the back court and some help there. So these are just teams that I just came up with that could use a guy like Talley Hero PERSON. How motivated are those teams to actually make a trade? What would they be willing to give up?That's a whole other story. But that, to me, is sort of the model, and I think you and I agree. Just more size, more stuff like that. We're going to keep talking about that when we get to another listener question after this. Today's episode is brought to you by Monopoly Go PRODUCT. All right, game. Game

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We didn't have an off season. The dog days really are August.

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Like either the free agency's over the trade has

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happened the minicamp is you know media day is building up like it's like the first last weeks of

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August first weeks of September and that's kind of like when you're yeah really struggling

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other than that everybody's on vacation yeah yeah yeah other than that you got the draft you got

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free agency there's a lot of stuff coming up so you you want to be here. Best podcast in the country.

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Yeah, we're starting our draft prep too.

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Adrian PERSON writes in, looking at teams in the playoffs, playing bigger and more athletic.

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And with Nico PERSON getting the nod late in the season,

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do we begin to see Spoh in the front office reimagine what Bam and another big would look like as part of a deep dive that Riley called for this off season?

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I'm going to be honest, David PERSON.

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I think this already happened a little bit.

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In what way?

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Well, I think you can even go back to the Nikoliyovych PERSON draft pick.

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They took him at 27. They said, yeah, we need more size. We need a guy who could be a future front court partner with Bam PERSON. And that's internally how they thought of that pick, right? And they sort of build it to anybody they would talk to is like, yeah, you know, we think Nico PERSON in a few years could be the long-term fit next to Bam out of bio. Now, did they imagine that Yovich PERSON would be starting playoff games for them in his second year? Probably not. And that's why you hear everybodytalk so highly of Nikolaovich PERSON right now but um I do think that that was an acknowledgement that they need to add more size and heck you could even go back to the precious to chew a pick two years before that as hey let's go get a guy who's who could potentially add more size to our front court maybe play with bam maybe play behind bam but we're going to add more size to this roster and then obviously the Kyle Lowry PERSON thing becomes available and they trade him for him.But even the Jaime Hockas PERSON pick, not a front court guy. But I remember asking Pat Riley in the end of season press conference last year, what's your team need? And he said, we need more length on the wing.

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That's what we need. And then a month later, they went and drafted Jaime Hockas PERSON, lose more length on the wing and strong and physical and all these things. So I think that the heat have been operating in this way for a few years now.

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I do think that they need to maybe tilt the dials a little bit more even further. And I do wonder if we're at that point. I don't know what you think.

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But I think that's, I think so. I don't know that the heat views it that way. Like I, you know, to your point, maybe they feel like they've made those kind of upgrades. But I think from the fans watching this team and watching them get out rebound and bullied around to a certain degree and watching Bam PERSON play out of position, really, I mean, not necessarily play out of position. Have a tremendous challenge to have to guard one through five and then still be expected to pick up Biggs PERSON as easily as you can.

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Bam's not out of position in 25, against 25 opponents in the league, Bam PERSON is not out of position. But when he plays the bucks and the nuggets and the sixers, then it becomes more glaring.

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Right. And those are the teams, right? Those are the teams that you presumably had to get through.

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So, you know, I guess we're looking, we're specifically looking at probably somebody 611 and bigger.

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Like I think that's the size that fans are looking for.

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So an upgrade over at the center position. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't, I don't, there aren't a lot, you know, and even the ones that are available.

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Like, I mean, Nico PERSON is close to that point, you know, and he nobody would, I mean, again, he made leaps and bounds defensively and pulling down rebounds and things of that sort, but no one's going to confuse him for a center, even though he played out a position that way.

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And the G-Leaks Skyforce ORG team, but I just don't think that's his future either.

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So, you know, you've got very few of those options.

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And as a floor stretches for all positional players, I don't think the idea of like that typical big, I mean, you're going to find less and less of those available. But having said all that, I think that's what Miami ORG should be looking to improve on their roster. Somebody, again,that can be a complimentary player that can add similar size to Bam and a Bayo PERSON in that front court because they desperately need it.

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Yeah, I don't know if it necessarily even needs to be a guy who moves Bam PERSON to power forward, but could just be another big body who can help Bam PERSON sort of bolster the muscle quota in the front court.

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Like Oji, like I know it would be like what PJ Tucker did for a year, honestly.

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I mean, they had it for a year, you know, and a player like that would make a lot of sense for the heat to have on the roster.

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And yeah, like you said, how do you get that player as a whole other question? But I do think that it's something the heater seriously considering. And yeah, I know that Pat Riley said that Udana's Haslam PERSON doesn't speak for the organization when he goes on first take and says that maybe we can add another veteran big next to Bamana PERSON bio.

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But I kind of think he does.

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I kind of think Haslam PERSON is saying something that a lot of people in that front office are thinking. I don't know that I want BAM ORG. I don't know that it has to be a star player. Like, I don't know that they have to go out and get Miles Turner PERSON, you know, and who does not strike me as available.But, you know, like somebody making $20 million a year is my point. But if you can get a guy on a, on like the mid-level exception or something, who you don't feel because of what he's getting paid that he has to start in every matchupor has to play at end of games, but you could start at the start of games and have BAM at Power Forward just to reduce the wear and tear on him for 82 games so that he can be healthy when the finals come around and when the playoffs come around.I think even that would go a long way. It doesn't have to be this big, splashy, oh my God, what a great front court that he'd have. It just has to be an option, a body, a something, a somebody.

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You've got Thomas Bryant coming back, and you've got Orlando Robinson PERSON coming back too, both of them under contract, right?

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Yeah, Brian's got the player option, but yeah.

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I mean, it just didn't work out for that. And look, there's this idea.

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Something above that who the career backups or sort of kind of guys, like a legit proven starter, PJ Tucker.

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Like they had it right.

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They should have signed them to a longer contract. Something like that. You know, maybe a younger version of PJ Tucker who you could feel more comfortable signing to a legitimate three or four year deal or trading for that player or whatever you get that player. But, um, you know, I always like Jay Sean Tate PERSON.

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Small, man.

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Is it's, is it too small?

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It's like six, five.

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It's the same size as PJ Tucker.

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Okay, but yeah.

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I mean, if we're going to just be like, I mean, PJ Tucker is really one of one.

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What he's able to do with that size.

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I mean, it's crazy.

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I don't expect Jay John Day PERSON.

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And he's listed at 6'4.

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I mean, I don't mind Jayhont Tate PERSON, but that's not the answer at Power 4.

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Like, if you get him.

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No, no, I guess, right.

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I mean, that's not.

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Yeah, but it's just, look, there's this idea one that's supposed kind of allergic to size, right? Like, he just doesn't know how to play big men. He doesn't know how to incorporate them into the lineup. And I think when you're looking at, sorry, just reading the highlights here of the Phoenix Sun's ORG coaching carousel, that's a whole other story. You see, talent doesn't guarantee anything that it could get your coach fired, but that's a whole other story. You know, when you're looking at Thomas Bryant PERSON, you're looking at OrlandoRobinson, it's like just having seven footers or close to seven footers doesn't necessarily guarantee that you're going to have quality size either. And I think it all has to do with the defensive abilities. Like you need those two guys. Right. I don't think anybody's, their offense might not be great.It's all certainly not consistent, but you could leave them out on the floor if they just weren't getting played off the floor because of their defensive issues. And I think that's the problem.

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That was sort of like, yeah, with the Kelly Olinnix and the Myers-Lennards PERSON. I mean, Spoh PERSON has wanted this. This is the, they have had that.

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That's on White PERSON side because he could defend, you know?

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Well, that's the whole thing. When Bam became the full-time starter, they paired him with Olenic PERSON. They had Myers-Leonard PERSON. Then they went to PJ Tucker, right? And there was a gap year where they didn't have PJ Tucker and they were playing Caleb Martin PERSON at that spot forever. And then they got Kevin Love PERSON on the buyout and then tried that.And then it didn't really work. And they ended up going back to going small. But for the, well, that's recent. And that's why we think like the heat just run small. But even with Nikolovich PERSON ascending to that starting power forward spot was an acknowledgement of, no, we just need, we need 610 or bigger.We need a legit, big man body next to Bam PERSON.

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Is Nico PERSON that guy, perhaps?

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But I think that they always add to that too, you know, I liked a little bit more optionality there and things like that. So we'll see. All right. That'll do it for us today. Thanks for making Lockdown Heat your first listen every day. Hit that subscribe button on YouTube ORG.Follow us on your podcast app. A Prime members, you can listen to this locked on podcast ad free on Amazon Music ORG.

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