Way-Too-Early Expansion Big 12 Rankings: Utah, Oklahoma State, Kansas Contenders, Who's a Pretender?

Way-Too-Early Expansion Big 12 Rankings: Utah, Oklahoma State, Kansas Contenders, Who's a Pretender?

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It's the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. The Utah Uts are going to win the Big 12 in football in 2024. At least that's what they want you to think. But I believe there are other contenders and some pretenders in this conference.

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This is locked on Big 12 and a Locked on Youth ORG crossover. You are Locked on Big 12, your daily podcast on the Big 12 conference, part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day.

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Happy Thursday, everybody. Welcome to a locked on Big 12 ORG, locked on youths crossover. I'm Drake Toll from America's number one Big 12 ORG podcast, locked on Big 12 ORG, and that's J.T. Wichesterra. A lot of constants going on on on that one. Thanks for making these shows your first listen every single day. J.T.Utah is the odds on favor to win the Big 12 ORG. You ask Joel Clatt PERSON. He would tell you that Utah ORG is the number six team in the country and a first round by in the college football playoff this year. They are a contender in the Big 12 ORG.Let's talk Pretenders, contenders, and almost a quasi-power ranking of teams in this league. If you are Utah ORG, if you've been labeled the top dog by every major media outlet in the country, who are you scared of in this conference?

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I think there's a couple teams that jump out right away. If you're looking at the Oklahoma GPE stage of the world with all the talent that they return, like if I'm doing my power rankings, I have them at number two right now. I'm in Kansas State ORG.

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Wait, who do you have a number one? Tell them out. Who do you have a number one?

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You know, I know everyone's going to be shocked by this, but I do have to agree with Joel Klatt PERSON. I mean, Joe Klaught PERSON's a pretty smart guy, right? Homer PERSON. I agree with Joe Klett PERSON, then I'm pretty smart.

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So I, of course, have the University of Utah ORG. Number one. I think there's a lot of logical reasons to say that. Just like, I feel like there's a case you can make for a few of these teams to be number one. So Oklahoma State right behind in number two. I'll go reasons to say that. Just like I feel like there's a case you can make for a few of these teams to be number one. So Oklahoma State right behind in number two.I'll go Kansas State at three. I like Johnson PERSON. And I'm a big Chris PERSON climbing event. I think he's done a great job there for a few years now. At first I was a little worried about them losing Will Howard PERSON just as someone who's coming into the conference.But the more you kind of dive in, you're like, oh, no, they're going to be fine. So that was good. Kansas GPE, I think everything that they have gone on down there, what Lance has been able to do just turning that program around has been impressive. And I know Daniel PERSON's health, fingers crossed there, but I can't be like, oh, they're going to struggle because of his health concerns, be like, Cam Rising is going to be great this year coming off his injury. So I feel good aboutKansas. And I know a lot of people are down on Arizona ORG because of some of the talent they've lost, but I just remember watching Noah Fafita PERSON a few times, and I do think he's pretty special. If you have a good quarterback, as most of these teams we just mentioned do, I think that's the biggest difference. So those are the main five that I consider to be contenders. We can talk about some of the other teams in a second, but those are the group that I look at and I'm like, if they won the conference over Utah ORG, that wouldn't shock me.It's way too early to have a lot of these conversations because we don't know how the transfer portal is going to shake out in this second round. There are still guys committing across the country on the gridiron and on the court as this while. And we'll get to that up for Utah ORG's sake later on in the show. But there are additions that could come into an Arizona state to a Baylor, to even a TCU ORG, people are overlooking that could make those teams quasi-contenders in this league. But right now, I circle a Kansas, and Oklahoma State obviously is two that I have vying for Arlington at the end of the year. But with Utah, maybe the main thing that I like about the Uts is this damn schedule.I don't know who you sold your soul to. But maybe your non-conference game against Baylor ORG that's not a conference game. And this slate is just, compared to some of the other teams in the league, obviously the Oklahoma State ORG game being early on is not easy, but gosh, dang it, man.There's a lot to like if you're a Utah ORG fan.

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Missing Kansas and Kansas State is big for Utah ORG. And I think they could very, like, there's a reason I have Utah ORG above them, right? Like, they can very well beat them. But especially like Utah ORG had to go to those places. That's a tough game,especially because I'm high on Utah ORG. They haven't always fared great on the road in the camsizing era. They've won some good games on the road, but they've also lost against some good teams on the road too. So Utah ORG definitely broke well for them the schedule-wise. And I mean, you mentioned it.Like most teams would be like, oh, you're playing Baylor ORG as a non-conference game. Like, that's another Power 4 team. Like, that's a tough game. But this is one of the years, this year and kind of last year,as Utah got it to as a year, you're okay seeing Baylor ORG again. And, you know, those were my main contenders. But, you know, we got in the title right there, pretenders too. So I will say before I move on into full pretenders, I know that every way it's popularto crap on in Colorado GPE right now. And trust me, I do not like a lot of the stuff that's going on there. But like I mentioned with quarterbacks earlier, I was really impressed with a lot of things I saw from Chador PERSON. I know we got to wait and see it. I just can't imagine that offensive line is going to be worse than they are last year.So I think they're a team that can still make things interesting. I don't think they're with the other five. But if you're telling me they upset one of those teams to make things interesting, that wouldn't surprise me. And then real quick, UCF, Iowa State, and West Virginia GPE are the other ones I look at just missing out.Some people may hear Texas Tech ORG is not in there. I'm just not a believer yet. I think even coming in last year, I'd heard a lot of the hype around them. And then you go out and just it was a really disappointing even the start of the season from there. So Texas Tech ORG fans, you guys can come out of me. Prove me wrong right away.I would love to see it this fall. But them and along with most of the other teams in the

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in the Big 12 don't scare me, especially not the team down in Provo GPE, just to make a few more BYU ORG fans mad at me because why not? I do think that Utah will beat BYU this season. I'll go on the record and say that. Based on the roster makeup, Utah ORG is much better. And on paper, Utah ORG is better than probably every other team in the Big 12 from a roster standpoint.J.T. PERSON, when we talk about pretenders, I do want to talk about the tendency for Kyle Whittingham PERSON. He's gotten in this great groove of losing three or four games in a season, even really successful seasons, right? That's a good point. When a Pacal championship has just dropped two or three games.So what's to say in the Big 12, he won't lose to a, maybe not a Colorado GPE, but for sure that game on the road against UCF or even a Houston team or Arizona State ORG who are overhauling. What is your confidence level in a league of parity that he can go without losing the three games that he likes to lose?

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It is, well, we already talked about the schedule, right? It's not as strong this year as it's been in years past. You can push back on some of the things I'm going to say two in a second, but I look at some of the road games they lost in the past, right? They lost to Bo Nix at Oregon ORG.

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They lost D.A. Moore at D.R. D.R. at UCLA ORG, like a really good quarterback there too, right?

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We look back, we lost at Washington last year. Michael Pennix and what he provides to. And obviously some of those happened with a cam, with a cam quarterback there too, right? We look back, we lost at Washington last year. Michael Pennix and what he provides to. And obviously, some of those happened with Cam, with a Cam Rising PERSON injury, right? This is a Utah ORG football team. I will say right away, like before I get, I'm only talking about the road games right now. They don't lose at home unless it's to Bonix and Oregon ORG.And even that was like, that's the first time I lost home since 2018.

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So like, that's why I feel confident that Utah ORG's going to take care of business at home.

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You look at on the roads. Like when they lost to BYU on the road two years ago and even the San Diego State GPE game, that was before Cam Rising PERSON emerged. And if you watch this team, you could just tell there was a total different shift once Cam Rising PERSON took over. Now they still lost to Oregon State ORG. Oregon State ORG's a really good team, right?That same thing. That's why Oklahoma State ORG. I look at that one right there and that could very well be a loss. The game, some of these other games that Utah ORG is on their schedule that are also going to be daunting tasks. So there's plenty of potential losses I see on there. But that could very well be a loss. The game, some of these other games that Utah is on their schedule that are also going to be daunting tasks. So there's plenty of potential losses I see on there. But I don't feel like Utah ORG's road schedule is as brutal, especially compared to someof the quarterbacks they've had to play in the past. Hence why I think I don't see a three or four lost season. I see a one or two lost season. And I'll emphasize the one, at least as we sit here right now on May 7th. JT. PERSON Pretenders. Who do you just not think is ever going to be an issue at all?

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Not an issue at all. Well, like, I mean, I'll say Houston GPE. I'm just right now. When you're saying not at all, I'm talking about this year. I've always, I believe programs can climb up. I'll even say this about BYU. Like, I think there's a chance that they can be a really good football team in a few years. Just like I saw Utah ORG make the climb up, right? You've got to get the right recruiting classes in there. Maybe Kalani Sataki PERSON's the right guy to do that.There was a lot of positive momentum, and then there's been negative momentum. So I still think that is to be determined. I'm not ready to say he is there, Kyle Winningham, right? The guy who rose them to prominence. So that's one that jumps out to me right away. Outside of that, you look at some of the other teams across the conference.I know I was mentioned to West Virginia GPE. I think that they are right on the cusp of being for real. But sometimes, you know, you shock a team and then you think you're going to be good. And then it doesn't work out from there too. So, yeah, BYU ORG. Cincinnati GPE is another one I point to there.So, I mean, I do only think there are so many teams that can really win this conference. I know every team will get fired up and talk themselves into why they can do it of Baylor ORG being another one. And I said, my biggest pretender personally, I'm going to have to roll with TCU ORG for that too.

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So, yeah, I mentioned the group of the teams I feel the strongest about. There are a few pretenders in this conference. Because only so many teams can win it, right? Maryland this year is probably going to be a decent Big Ten ORG team. There's no way they're winning the Big Ten with all the loaded teams and conferences and they're likethat just because you're not a conference contender. It doesn't mean you can't be a decent team. So I really only think I have five teams that can really win it. I'll go four other teams that can make things interesting. And everyone else, I don't seea path for them right now to win the Big 12 this fall. Coming up next, does Utah actually want to be in the Big 12th ORG? This is Locked on Big 12, Locked on You WORK_OF_ART. It's part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Today's show is brought to you by Yahoo Finance ORG.Look, Yahoo Finance is where I go, I'm 23 years old. Like, what are I, you know? Like, it's, they didn't teach me in school how to balance a checkbook. They didn't teach me in school how to, how to do the numbers things. So now I have an investment account with Charles Schwab and a 401k with Fidelity ORG. What does that mean?I don't even really know. But Yahoo Finance ORG helps me consolidate it, keep it at one place and help me understand the best that I can. So straight to the point, if you want to grow your portfolio to deal with the rising cost of inflation, pay off your debt or your mortgage, pretty much anything standing in the way your financial freedom, do it with Yahoo Finance ORG. For more than 25 years, Yahoo Finance has been the brand behind every great investor, whether you're a seasoned investor or looking to have the extra guidance. Yahoo Finance ORG gives you the tools that you need. Go to Yahoo!finance.com, the number one financial destination, Yahoofinance.com.That is Yahoo!finance.com ORG.

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the rhetoric very early on with Utah in the Big 12 ORG, but even because I'll say it, crazy Uncle Kyle Whitting Show, locked on Uts. The rhetoric very early on with Utah joined in the Big 12, but even because I'll say it, crazy Uncle Kyle Whittingham PERSON, he says some things sometimes that are crazy, but so does Mike Gundy PERSON, right? I think those are,they fall in a similar category, but what a lot of people got, the flavor they got is that Utah doesn't want to be in the Big 12 ORG. They're not happy about being in this conference. I want to ask you a question that's two-fold, two-prong here. Why?Number one, why did people get that sense? And number two, is it true?

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I think people get the sense because a lot of fans online were like, oh, we've won back-to-backpacked 12 championships or, oh, you know, we're at the forefront of college football in terms of just those recent conference championships. I guess that's why I just think there were a lot of people there who felt like, who were unrealistic about what Utah ORG was. And I'm someone who's high on Utah ORG. I do think they're one of the better brands currently in college football from what they do on the field.They're not a brand as like a Miami GPE era, things of that nature. Utah was never going to get into the Big Ten or the SEC ORG this go around. And especially the Big Ten, I think is the one. It's like, well, the best Pac-12 teams are going over there. So it feels like since we're not with them, we had to go somewhere else. Like, I want to be there.So I think some of the fans were disappointed in that aspect, I guess. And in a sense, I can get that in some ways, right? Just because obviously you're talking about which two conferences are in the strongest position to be at the continued forefront of college football. It is the Big Ten, the SEC ORG at the moment.

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But I hate to interject, too. But again, I get that there's the, there's a Pact 12 Allegiance LAW. There's part of that that. Back 12 is the conference that took the chance on Utah ORG to make them a power conference school.

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Right. So that going away is not good. The want to go to the Big Ten, and there were murmurs of Utah to the Big Ten. When that doesn't happen, I can see the distaste. And I do still think there are some Utah fans that feel that way going into the Big 12 ORG. I know, I guarantee you, with the way that all of us media members are lauding the football program as the cream of the cropbefore they even step on the gridiron here. That doesn't help. That also inflates the head. Do you still think that that mentality is

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there for a lot of fans then? I think it is. I think a lot of fans feel that way as well, but I do think, I still think the majority of fans, at least from what I can gather, realize that, hey, this worked out really well for Utah ORG to still be in a powerful conference. Like, if Utah doesn't have their recent success, who's to say Utah ORG's not Oregon State

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and Washington State ORG right now, independent and sitting out and, you know, haven't had most of their games on the CW ORG? No offense to the CW. I just say that's the reality of what the situation is coming up about to be for those schools. So, yeah, I think Utah ORG should consider themselves lucky to be in the Big 12 ORG because it's an opportunity for them to continue to elevate their brand. A lot of the brands in the Big 12 ORG right now aren't as strong as maybe they've always been. We mentioned a school like a Baylor ORG, right?Arizona State is a Pacto ORG school coming over. They would qualify under the pretenders, right? They're not where they want to be yet to Houston GPE's not off to par yet. Obviously, Kansas GPE is doing things they've never done. But in place of that, you have some of these other schools that aren't doing where they would want to be necessarily at this moment.But I think all of those brands have the opportunity to get up and get stronger. Just like how the Pac-12 just wrapped up a season in which it was one of the strongest conferences in college football, I think the Big 12 ORG has a chance to be that very soon, too. When you look at the opportunity that it presents us up with all these new and incoming talents, Brett Yormark PERSON's doing a good job of pushing the boundaries of the future of the sport in general. So I feel like this is a really strong and growing conference too.And I'll say this. I think Utah, like, number one, you get through a powerful schedule. And if you're one of the better programs in that conference, I expect Utah ORG to be, you're putting yourself in strong college football playoff condition. And that's what this is all about, right? Success in the postseason to continue to try to just be the best because that's what we love about college football, right?Everyone hypothetically has a chance to win it all. Now, obviously, even Utah ORG is going to be really our president-winning national championship anytime soon, but the fact that they have a chance to make playoff runs in the new format, that's exciting. And that doesn't happen unless you're in the Big 12 ORG. And I also say this really quick about basketball, I think Utah basketball, even though it might not be great this coming year, I think eventually being. everybody run and hide.We're talking about Utah ORG basketball. Hide your children. Yeah.

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Tell them about it.

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But no, that's, I just, yeah, I feel like the football program will continue to get elevated in the basketball program, even though they're going to get the crap beat out of them.

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Yeah. Yeah. Stop it.

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We don't have to talk about basketball yet. You can leave that one off. Utah ORG basketball can sit on the backburn. We were having a good, happy, fun time talking about football here. J-T., before we get to the portal and basketball and what's left of the Utah ORG program, this idea that Utah ORG could have gone to the Big Ten

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was one that I thought originally that would be the case. I thought Utah would be a Big Ten ORG thing. Had that happened, I don't think Utah ORG has any shot at the college ball playoff.I think it's a lot tougher in that realm, especially if you get, hey, now we play Oregon, Washington ORG, Penn State, Michigan GPE. You know, I mean, if that's your gauntlet,

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things get real tough, real fast.

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Does it feel like in the end, Utah ORG got put in the right spot to not only compete, but also be in a place of comfort? I think you're right.

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I think they did. I think that that's a great point you make because if those teams are on your schedule, Utah ORG has gotten up to another level, but they're not at the level yet where I'm like, oh, yeah, I already mentioned the big road games they've lost you. That's why we think they can have success in the Big 12 is they'll avoid a lot of those teams. Utah ORG is really good. It takes a special team to be able to go into Ohio State ORG and win. And even that, I mean, that's almost anunrealistic one, right? But like, even like winning when Ohio State ORG comes to you, beating Oregon year and and year out, right? Organ's beating winning when Ohio State comes to you, beating Oregon year and year out, right? Oregon's beat in Utah the last two years. Utah can beat Oregon ORG. They beat them in the back 12 championship not too long ago, but beating them year and year out, right?Washington ORG. Like UCLA ORG's about to go through it with everything that's happened there. There's someone where I could see that program, kind of like how Nebraska when they entered the Big Ten, right? Like they're just nowhere what they used to be. And UCLA ORG hasn't been when it's been for a long time now, but I think that is a great point you make Drake in Utah, is set up for success in the Big Ten, right? Like, they're just nowhere what they used to be. And UCLA hasn't been what it's been for a long time now,but I think that is a great point. You make Drake in Utah set up for success in the Big 12 ORG, even post-CAM rising, right? Like, maybe they'll fall off a year, but they can come right back. And who knows, maybe they're a team that year-in-year-outcan be a contender in the Big 12 ORG. I think the potential is there, depending on how they navigate the transfer portal. But in the Big Ten, it would literally just be like, man, we're a really good team. And maybe that's where I go back to talking about Maryland ORG, right?Because you ain't beating the top dogs. You're not going to beat the Michigan's and some of those other schools, the USC ORG and all of those things. So that's where I think it could get messy for Utah ORG. And if they want to succeed right now, which obviously they do, the best place for them to be this fall is the Big 12 ORG.

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It seems like Utah ORG basketball is on fire. The football team also lost a couple of head scratching transfers. Let's start on the grid arm. That's the most important that's coming up with Utah ORG and the transfer portal. Do you feel as though those who exited were a version of positive attrition? As that number got close to kind of 10,you lost a couple guys in conference to Arizona and there was the A&M ORG kid. I mean, why are these guys jumping ship? And is it a bad thing or are those dudes that you really aren't

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going to miss? You're not going to miss them because they want to play. And that's completely understandable. There is one that Utah might potentially miss. Coley PERSON, the team starting center from last year, entered the portal now at Texas A&M. ORG This is not inside information. I have a hard time believing that Utah

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just didn't get out bid in that situation, but I'll also say this about Coley. Johnny Maya PERSON was Utah's starting, going to be Utah's starting center last fall, got hurt, and then that was

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what allowed Coley to start. I believe, wait a second, a Utah starter got hurt last year? Yeah, exactly. I believe if Coley had stayed, Maya Utah starter got hurt last year? Yeah, exactly.

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I believe if Coley PERSON had stayed,

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Maya PERSON beat him out before,

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I think he would have beat him out again.

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So I actually think it worked out well for Coley PERSON, too.

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But let's say Maya PERSON doesn't get back to full health. That's the one position that could potentially hurt Utah ORG. It's nice you have Jaron Kump PERSON, a guy who started games for you, even though it starts the center didn't go great. But like, if that's your backup,still a guy who started games,

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I feel decent about the center position. Literally everywhere else, it's like Chase Kennedy left and so did Vaughn PERSON after coming over from Utah. Those are two defensive ends, right? You just, the defensive line is absolutely loaded for Utah ORG with tons of returning contributors. And you just added a transfer in Paul Fitzgerald PERSON anyways. Damon Alford's coming over, a wide receiver if you lost Sydney and Bannisor PERSON.And Bannisor PERSON was never really going to play much this fall anyways. Alford's a guy over 600 yards average 19 yards per catch coming over from Syracuse ORG. I think he's a legit guy too. Even just added a backup quarterback. Like I felt good about where Utah ORG's quarterback stood. But now they added Sam Heward, who, no, it's not Brock Heward's PERSON son.It's Brock Heward's PERSON brother's son. Who Brock Heward's brother, Damon, also played in the NFL ORG too. So either way, some good backup pedigree there. If Wilson and Rose PERSON don't pan out, I feel really good about where Utah ORG is at. I think they did a great job at the transfer portalearly in the spring and then post-spring ball. Everyone that's left wants playing time. Colie PERSON is the only one you can make an argument for, upgraded. But if we're talking about on-the-field success over the last few years, there's no way you can tell me Texas A&M has been better than Utah ORG as of recently. Nope. If you want to win, you stay at Utah rather than going to Texas A&M. ORG But if you want to get paid and play, A&M ORG's not a bad spot to go if you're a guy who would likely lose his startingjob. Let's go into, I'll say dumpster fire, man. I thought we were out aren't we out of time? Aren't we out of time?

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Utah ORG basketball used to exist.

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I first, I, like, here's what I love about Caleb Loner going to Utah ORG is I don't have to watch himkick the ball off of his shin and into the stands anymore on the basketball floor for the Baylor Bears ORG. Now I get to watch him, I can only imagine he's going to fumble the ball like seven times for Utah ORG.I don't even know if he's going to play that much in football.

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He can't play. The tie down room is fantastic.

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He doesn't play football. I don't know what he's doing. Instead, I love the graphic you posted that was like, you know what? I might explore the opportunity of playing basketball as well.If I am anyone in the Salt Lake City GPE area, I am burning. I'm just like, please play basketball. I'm saying that to anyone, much less Caleb Loner PERSON, what is going? And I know that a couple of transfers have come in.This conversation would have been much more dour maybe four days ago. What is going on with Utah ORG basketball? And does it still exist or have they folded the program?

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It still exists. As right now we're recording this, it should be a rough first year for them in the Big 12 ORG, which really sucks for Craig Smith PERSON. I think Craig Smith PERSON is a good basketball coach. But clearly, I'll say this.Obviously, the recruiting hasn't always been there. Now the Deaubon Smith PERSON thing worked out. I can go through a ton of misses as well too. And as much as I like Coach Smith PERSON, Utah's really struggled on the road in big games. Now, I still think they just missed out on the NCAA tournament. They were one of the last 12 teams and whatever you want to play, like to

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miss out one of the last 12 teams. So I think all the talk like he, like they have to fire him now. I think that is ridiculous. I think he deserves a chance. But it's hard for me to believe when you just lost Brandon Carlson, Daveon Smith, who led the Pac-12 in Triple Doubles ORG set a record as well for Pac-12 era in Triple Doubles. And you even lose a guy like Kvakeeta and the 11th hour. And you see an assistant coach leave who you brought over from BYU ORG,Ben there for the past few years and now he's jumping ship back to BYU ORG. It's not good. They've added a couple of guys. None of them are going to move the needle. Some of you big 12 fans will be familiar with Mason Madden, Madsen PERSON, excuse me, is Gabe Madsen's twin brother, but like he only averaged eight a game.It's not like he's coming in and going to take over the world in Salt Lake GPE. Even Miro Little PERSON, right? He's a former Baylor ORG Guard. He only averaged one point a game. Now, I will say former four star potential is there.

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But there's going to be a lot of pressure on him and a lot of these other, even Keller from Wake Forest ORG, right?

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He averaged one point of game too. Dawes is coming over from Rice ORG. Like there's not a lot of these guys that really move the needle and make you think, oh yeah, where I mentioned for Utah ORG football, maybe it'll be a weaker conference this year that when the PAC 12 was last fall or last fall, the big 12 is going to be a way better basketball conference than Utah ORG is.So there's potential here for the team to maybe be a little better, but they've had a lot of recruiting misses. And I don't know if it's NIL ORG or what it is, but clearly Utah ORG needs to do a better job recruiting and finding players. And if they don't pick up some more players in the portal, and barring a crazy season,we're probably talking about a Utah coaching change this time next year. That's just the facts.

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Yeah, I mean, you can't, it's tough because you walk into the Big 12 ORG, which is such a good conference. This vaguely reminds me of what happened to West Virginia going into this first year, this last season of basketball, where there was a coaching change there and just that dumpster

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fire is the right word to describe what those fans went through and those players went through. And you felt like outside of perspective, you felt bad because you just knew, uh-oh. Like the buzz saw is coming. And I don't even,

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I don't know if they deserve it. But you like the just really quick. Like you like the talent that West Virginia GPE added, Kirkresa PERSON, I'm not a big Kirkresa PERSON fan. Like that at least we'd get you excited at the time.

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Rayquan NORP battle did big things in the big sky. These guys, I'm trying to talk myself into a guy who didn't even average two points a game last year. Like that,that is such a drastic difference.

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I love, I'll expose you here and then we'll close the show.

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You did send me a text, which was the highlights of one of the new transfers that Utah ORG got and said, the first highlight on here is an air ball. Is that good? No, that's not good.JT for listeners are Locked on Big 12, who are Utah ORG fans and want to find more of your content or just general J.T. Worcestersell PERSON fans. Where can they find you?

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Well, you guys can follow me at X if there are like one or two somehow genuine JTU isterill PERSON fans out there.

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I salute all of you so you can follow me on X. And for Locked on Utah WORK_OF_ART content, make sure you guys just check it out at Lockdown, Utah on YouTube ORG, as well as on X, where it's always fun breaking everything down with Utah ORG. Oftentimes with Drake PERSON as well, too,who once again said more positive things about Utah ORG as well. So Drake PERSON, we're eventually getting that narrative change, my friend. Coming around, I do think Utah ORG fans, on the whole, want to be in the big club. I'll put that out there, though. I still, there are those few that I'm like, shut up.Oh, yeah.

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Just stop it. Just be nice for one second. This has been it always will be. That's J.T. West Rochelle PERSON. That's, uh, I'm Sunberg PERSON. Come back to these shows for more of what you want every day with the lockdown podcast network.Again, this has been at always. We'll be locked on. And thanks for making it your first listen every single day. Dele Conde. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to this locked on podcast ad free on Amazon ORG music.

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