Identifying Bengals Darkhorse Options in First Round | Targeting Johnny Newton?

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What up Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Locked On Bengals podcast. I'm Jake Liscoe PERSON. He's James Rapine PERSON. We're joined today by Joe Goodberry from First Law Logistics, Bengals ORG fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. I'm Jake Liskow. He's James for P. We're joined today by Joe Gibberry from first of all logistics. Bengals on the brain, former co-host of the Lockdown Bengals WORK_OF_ART podcast, of course, as well, formerly with the athletic and Bleacher Report and the resume goes on and on for Joe PERSON. We're going to be chatting about what wethink is going on at Bengals HQ as we try to read some T-leaves in today's episode, brought to you by Monopoly Go PRODUCT, which you can download right now for free on the app store or Google Play for a mobile hit twist on classic Monopoly PRODUCT. And guys, let's talk about what we think is going on with the Bengals this year. We've talked a lot about it, obviously,but as we get closer and closer, we've learned about Johnny Newton having a visit. We perhaps haven't talked enough about quarterbacks. Let's get into some of these discussions that maybe we should be paying more attention to. James, where do you want

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to start? Well, let's start with Johnny Newton PERSON because I think Johnny Newton is the most famous Bengal that potentially never was or maybe will be on Thursday night. And I think that the visit, Joe PERSON, that you reported, kind of opened up the possibility of him being their first round pick. And Byron Murphy certainly picked up steam. It sounds like he's going to go top 10 or not make it to the Bengals ORG. And who knows, maybe he does.But if he doesn't, how realistic is it? Do you think that Johnny Newton's in play at 18? I think it's very real.

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I think there's a lot of ways you can spend those top 30 visits, right? You can say, hey, we need to check on this guy's character. We want to check back in on a guy we met earlier in the process. We want to check in on how a guy's feeling off of injury, which I thought immediately was probably the idea with the Johnny Newton PERSON, right? Like he had that foot injury.He wasn't able to work out on his pro day. Let's see how he's doing and get our hands on him and talk to him face to face. But as I DM Johnny Newton PERSON back and forth on Twitter, it sounded like that it went very well and it was a very positive and a very hopeful first round meeting type of thing. Like a very real, let's put him on the board.And when we did our board, when we did the show, what last week on your channel, James, we were like, do we put Johnny Newton in the one C? Like that first guy in the one C,is he a tradeback or a disaster scenario where, you know, 17 of the guys we wanted in the first round are gone and we've got to dip into this pool, or is he one of the last 1B players? I still don't know the answer to that, but I feel like it could be one of those two and that he's on dip into this pool, or is he one of the last 1B players? I still don't know the answer to that,but I feel like it could be one of those two and that he's on the cusp of being in consideration, depending on how the board goes. I do think they want to address defensive tackle, not just for the immediate. I don't think he's a nose tackle, right?If you're using the nose tackle position and say why they should take Byron Murphy or Johnny Newton PERSON, they are not that, but I do think they want some more pass-rest juice on the inside while also looking at the future with BJ Hill being on a one-year deal. Newton PERSON makes a lot of sense on film and with the data.

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Do we think that he's still behind the tackles?

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I mean, I guess that's kind of what you're saying, back of 1B, top of 1C,

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being the different tiers, the different parts of the first round, 1A being the top of the first round, 1B being the middle of the first round, 1C being if we have to trade back or all the guys we want are gone kind of thing, or perhaps some of those tackles or guards and the Bengals would have Newton PERSON ahead of them.

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Yeah, I think that's a possibility. It sounds like the league is high on this offensive tackle class. I would expect the Bengals ORG to feel very similarly, right? And as we're getting close, I'm seeing these mocks. I just saw one today where it had six guys go before, six offense tackles go before the Bengals ORG were on the clock.

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I think nine total in the first round.

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I'm like, okay, so there's a part of the scenario we're going to talk about in today's show. It's like, okay, what if you get there and there's not an offensive alignment? Or what if the Bengals view Troy Fautano PERSON as a guard, right? What if they view Fuaga as a guard? Would they spend the 18th pick on a guard? I'm not so sure, right? I don't, based on their history and how they do things, I feel like they would say, no, those guys can be tackles. Yeah, maybe they'll play as rookies and could challengeCordell Wilson PERSON at the left guard spot. But once you get into those waters where you have to decide how a guy is even going to play, I think that lessens their value just a little bit. And if you had, if you go back and say Johnny Newton was a top 12 to 15 player when we started this process, I think that still holds weight for the Bengals ORG. I think when they get their scouts grades at that point and that guy is ranked really highly,sure, he had a quiet draft process. He had that foot injury, didn't do any of the All-Star stuff. Didn't do the Combine or the Pro Day EVENT. He wasn't putting his visits out there on social media like some players were. He had a lot of visits, it sounds like. I think teams are probably more interested unless the health concerns are a big thing. But I think, you know, just based on what they saw in their grades,I think Newton probably is a top 20 or so player on the Bengals ORG board. So it just depends on the scenario.

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Yeah, and he should be. And what I think is interesting is if you go value-wise, I totally get why they would look offensive tackle first, because you're right. And maybe they get one, but they're going to fly off the board.And the quality of player that you get at 49, or if you wait until round three to get an offensive tackle versus what you're getting at 18, the drop off could be very, very real. At the same time, I think they would say that the drop off at defensive tackle from a Johnny Newtonto whatever you're getting day two is greater than taking a guard at 18. And so I don't even think that they would entertain that, honestly. I think there would be, and we can get into the other positions. But I think Johnny Newton would easily win that tiebreaker. If it's Troy Faiutano PERSON, the guard,versus Johnny Newton. If they're 17 and 18 on their board, let's just say they're that close. I think Newton PERSON wins the tiebreaker because of the need, just having another defensive tackle that's, that would be under contract for at least four years, probably five years, would give you some more pass rush. And what's today's game? How valuable is it to have someone like that that can wreck a game?It's more valuable. And I think the Bengals ORG review it as more valuable than a guard, especially because this interior offensive line class is deepish when you get into rounds two through four.

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Yeah, before we had the report of the visit with the Bengals ORG, I think we were putting Johnny Newton PERSON on the back burner of like, everything's just been too quiet. Let's push him back. With someone we all still like, but we just don't have a feel for where he's going or where teams are viewing him.So we'd always have like Joe Al, Olu Fas Cheneu PERSON, and then probably J.C. Latham and maybe a Marius Mims PERSON. I think Mims and Newton may be a lot closer for NFL ORG teams boards than what we maybe thought even a month ago. But if it comes down to that, and it's just those, what's that, four guys, and then you're not sure of Fautano or Uaga PERSON,I think that's when we get into that scenario of, okay, so maybe he's a little bit higher. Maybe he's right on that cusp of 18, and they needed to be sure about him before they make that selection.

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Well, I wonder where he is compared to a guy like Brock Bowers PERSON. Sure. That's the name you didn't mention. You mentioned all those tackles, and we spent a lot of time in that big board stacking exercise, trying to figure out where is Brock Bowers PERSON related to these tackles. We decided we think he's ahead of most of the tackles for the Bengals ORG.We think, but if perhaps plan A is still offensive tackle and maybe all the the tackles for the Bengals ORG, we think. But if perhaps plan A is still offensive tackle, and maybe all the offensive tackles get scooped up quickly as the six players picked before 18, you mentioned scenario plays out, maybe that's a scenario where Bowers falls. I still think that his floor might be 15,judging from what people have said about the Colts ORG in this process all along. But do you have any feel there, Joe, Bowers, Newton PERSON, how that stacks up? Or should we just transition and start talking about another position group here?

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Well, I think this does transition to another group. So, like, what guys would they also have in that grouping of we hope he's there at 18 or would consider them? And as Bowers in that group, I think he probably is, but is he ahead of a guy, like, let's say I saw a mock today with Olu Fashionu falling still at 18. Like, I would have Olu over Bowers, right? I think that'sa top tackle. I think the Bengals ORG would go that position. Would they take Byron Murphy, who's probably a lot higher than we thought, you know, than a month ago? And I think they'd have Byron Murphy. So if Murphy and Browers PERSON are both there, I thinkthey would go Byron Murphy. So this is breaking a lot are both there, I think they would go Byron Murphy. So this is breaking a lot of hearts, I think, for the weapons people out there that really love Brock Bowers PERSON. But those two are really strong prospects in the trenches that are probably harder to find those positions. You typically have to draft those positions earlier than you do tight end. So it makes a lot of sense, I think, to transition to the next position. What if there is a cornerback one still available for the Bengals at 18?

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transitioning to corner, one of the things that I thought was interesting as we're talking about some of those guys that may or may not be available to the Bengals ORG is I was looking back at some of those 2024 too early mock drafts from a year ago and Newton Fashanu PERSON both of those guys I mean Newton went 18 in the one I'm looking at an si dot com fashion who is still a top 10 player of course the Bengals in this one are picking like 28 and picking malik neighbors in this way too early mock from 2024.So a little fun looking way back in the past there. Kingsley Sumitia going at 31 and that one looking a little bit prescient as well. So let's give credit to Luke Easterling from this Sports Illustrated ORG mocked that he put together with Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison, Olu Fer, Drake, May, Dallas Turner, Brock Bowers PERSON, all very early in addition to Joe Al Jarread PERSON verse.I mean, pretty on it for a year

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ahead of time. A lot of times these things look really silly a year later, but J.C. Latham 14 and

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Johnny Newton right there at 18. Interestingly, some of the corners we're about to talk about were not in the first round of this year too early. And this is one of those things that changes yearover year. But Kuley McKinstree PERSON was not that we're talking about Koola McKinstree PERSON, but we have mentioned in passing in the last month or two that cornerback is something that I thinkwe've all thought the Bengals ORG would consider it a team. We just have all thought for a while that it wasn't plan A or maybe even plan B. But perhaps Joe PERSON, we should be paying more attention to the top of this corner class for a team that could use a dominant corner if one were available.

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Yeah, it's funny because we've had so many warning stories of how the Bengals ORG leave a

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position available until the draft and then they address it in the draft, right?

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The Billy Price years, and there's been others that they've done this, whether it's first round, second or not third round, they seem to attack the remaining needs that they've left open through pre-agency. And this year, we kept saying, why haven't they signed a corner yet? Don't they need a veteran corner? Don't they need a guy that has played or can play when the fourth corner for them has playedso much in the Zach Taylor PERSON era. He's been basically a starter because they've dealt with injuries every single year at that position. And then I, you know, I get to this draft and we get to the end of the process. And, you know, for our spreadsheet, Jake PERSON, these guys scraed out incredibly high. The Quinnian Mitchell's out of Toledo, who is PFF's top corner, like grading-wise, for the last few years.His ball production is tremendous. He's got the length. He's got the athleticism. He tested like one of the best athletes, if not the best athlete of all the corners in this class when using a relative athletic score. And you're like, how is that guy not a top 12 pick?And then I saw Josh Norris mock today where Quinnian Mitchell is still there at 18. And who do he take for the Bengals ORG? Quinion Mitchell PERSON. And they're Charles Burks PERSON, their defensive backs coach, right? Secondary coach, coached Quinion Mitchell at the Senior Bowl down in Mobile GPE, Alabama

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this year. So he got his hands on him. He knows exactly what he is. And we have to look at the

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Bengals roster as well. Do they have a cornerback one? Now, if you're a huge Cam Taylor Brit PERSON fan, you're probably screaming right now, yeah, they do. It's Cam Taylor Britt PERSON. Well, he's only played about 60% of the snaps his first two years. And I'm not sure the Bengals ORG agree. Let's compare it to the wide receiver room from a couple years ago. Cam Taylor Britt PERSON is probably the T. Higgins. Mike Hilton's the Tyler Boyd. They did not have a Jamar Chase PERSON. They like the receivers. They felt everyone in the league likes those two. But do you have a number one. You do not.And that's why they were so convinced and so felt so strongly to take a Jamar Chase PERSON as high as they did. I think the same scenario can apply to this. And yes, they just drafted DJ Turner PERSON. But the difference between DJ Turner and Cam Taylor Britt and a guy like Quinn Mitchell or even Terry Ann Arnold PERSON. And we should probably in passing continue to mention Cooper DeGine, Koolaid McKinstree PERSON, and who's the other one? I forget. Nate Wiggins PERSON.Nate Wiggins PERSON. Yes, of course, the guy that's been mocked by Jeff Hobson PERSON recently. Because if they're high enough on the Bengals board, and I'm expecting at least two of them to be, Mitchell and Arnold PERSON, those other guys could be knocking on that door as well. And is that the scenario where we end up in a Johnny Newton versus Terry and Arnold PERSON? And it's like, okay, here's two guys here that we really like. It's not what we expected.The draft went a little weird. But those are two really good players that really help elevate two positions on your defensive side of the ball.

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Yeah, I think that's a heck of a debate. So with that one, I lean, I think I would lean Newton PERSON. But what would they do? It would be tough. I would say getting after the quarterback would take the priority. And I do think there's some day three depth at corner that you could certainly like.At the same time, if it's Quinyan Mitchell PERSON or maybe, let's say Arnold goes ahead of him and goes ahead of Mitchell. Maybe that's the scenario where Mitchell PERSON makes it. But if it's Mitchell or Newton, I think they would take Quinyan Mitchell PERSON because he's kind of answered every, checked every box during this process. Newton PERSON hasn't. And I do think that that could be part of the tiebreaker if there is a tiebreaker needed. And they may just have Mitchell well ahead of Newton PERSON on their board.

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No, I agree.

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Sorry, Joe PERSON.

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Go ahead. No, I agree.

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I had Mitchell when I was doing the rankings and trying to figure it out just behind Faschenew, Byron Murphy, and then Quinion Mitchell as like a premium position, top 12 type of prospect that if he's still there at 18, I could see them even taking him over Brock Bowers PERSON. And that would make people freak out a little bit. But I think Mitchell provides them with something they don't have instant starter, cornerback one potential. And yeah, he's coming from Toledo GPE. It happens from the Macs once in a while, the Kaleo Max of the world, the Corey Davis's that go in the top 10, right? Quinnian Mitchell PERSON has checked every box you said, past every test that was in front of him, whether it was at the combine,where he looked incredibly well, moving fluidly, standing out amongst guys that are at the tops of their position, well, moving fluidly, standing out amongst guys that are at the tops of their position, maybe the freakest athletes on football fields at corner in terms of that speed and agility and acceleration, but at the Senior Bowl EVENT as well, just completely locking down, rising to that challenge, and looking like a future corner one.

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The last time the Bengals picked a player that wasn't an SEC, ACC, or Big Ten ORG first-round player was John Ross, still a major conference. And before that, William Jackson from Houston GPE. Before that, Cedric Cabwehy PERSON. So they had a few years there where they went away from those big, big conferences.

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But since that's been, you're not.

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I actually think Quignon, I think Quinyan Mitchell PERSON pretty confidently,

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and this is coming from the John Ross guy, is a better prospect than all of those guys. There's no, there's no like huge, and I'm not saying you're comparing them, but just for everyone listening and watching, Ross had injury issues.Obviously, a boy, he was injured. And William Jackson PERSON, he was a good player, but it's not like he was the same level of cornerback prospect as Quinnian Mitchell PERSON.

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No, we really liked him as a prospect. I'm just saying that in their last since 2018, so what is that? Six drafts. Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, LSU, Michigan, Clinton ORG. Big, big college football playoff type programs. And since Zach Taylor came to town, their first two picks, Big, big college football playoff type programs.And since Zach Taylor PERSON came to town, their first two picks in most years are college football playoff type teams. LSU Clemson, LSU Clemson, Michigan, and then obviously Camper, Britt, Nebraska ORG, not a CFP team, Clemson, Michigan in 2023, Alabama in the third round. They have leaned into those big schools,which is why Quinnion Mitchell PERSON is such an interesting conversation because he is such a tantalizing prospect. And you're right, Joe PERSON, there are players like that that come out of the Mac PRODUCT from time to time. But the Bengals ORG typically haven't been the ones to take that swing. And that's why it's very interesting.

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I will say, though, from a sample size, though, right? We're talking probably 90% of the first rounders are coming from those big programs or big conferences. And it's just a couple that usually squeak in from the, you know, the PAC 12 ORG or whatever it is called now and the big whatever and the A whatever.

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I don't know. You're getting me here. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah, for sure. And so the likelihood is for them to usually pick from that group. I mean, look at the guys we're talking about, the other prospects.It is kind of weird that we have, even though it's still the Big Ten, Illinois, Toledo GPE. Yeah. It's, uh, it is a bit unique. But, uh, let's keep the conversation going with more first round conversation here and maybe some, some other notes some other notes with Joe Goodberry PERSON coming up next. We've all been there, either as a player or a fan. It's halftime. The scoreboard isn't looking good.You're feeling low. You're not sure if you or your team can pull out a win. And that's when you dig deep. You lift your head up and you say to yourself, it's time to get back in the game, pull off some bank heist and take as much of my friend's money as I possibly can. That's right. The smash hit mobile game Monopoly Go PRODUCT lets you compete with your friendsto get the most riches and build the biggest empire. It's the new, it's the monopoly you love, but it's on your phone. You can play at any time with tons of new twists, including leaderboards to compare progress to your friends. There's so much to do. You have countless dynamic monopoly boards.You can make your friends bankrupt by smashing their landmarks with a wrecking ball. You can even work with your friends to crack open community chess and internements to get extra rewards and climb the leaderboards. So get back out there. Put on your game face and download Monopoly Go PRODUCT. Now free on the app Store or Google Play ORG.

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We've talked about Johnny Newton PERSON. Let's quickly hit on edge rusher, a position that we talked about last week.

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And then we'll talk a little bit about second, third round, day two ideas. No, no. No, no. Is there anything that has

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shifted in your estimation, Joe, since we last discussed edge rusher. Do we think there's a real chance that they would dip into that bucket or are the outliers for age for Jared and Laiatu, Latu, the tipping point there where you don't expect Dallas Turner to be available. So are they really picking Chop Robinson that early in the first round ahead of some of these other guys we've talked about? Because if you're eliminating Versan Latu for age reasons, both of them over the age of 23,

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those would be the guys you'd be thinking about. Yes, you just took all my analysis because, yeah, I was,

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as I was plugging it into the sheet, I was like, oh, man, they only draft ends that

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are young. Like, of all the positions, this is a strong correlation for them. And Chop Robinson PERSON, at the same time, we were having a conversation about them bringing in Robinson PERSON for a visit, that was interesting. And yeah, he's the youngest guy of the grouping. And it's like, okay, maybe that'swhy they wanted to see where he's at, where, you know, what he looks like in his development, how much room there is to grow. But that can't be at 18. Would that be the off the rails surprise pick? Oh, no doubt about it. I even think like Tyler Geithen PERSON would be less of a surprise,

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of course. But yeah, I'm not in favor of doing any of those two, not to put that into the universe.

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Maybe then to trade back, let's keep our eye on Chop Robinson PERSON because he checks our boxes.

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Well, what about other potential surprises that at 18?

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Like you talked about Guyton and Chop Robinson PERSON there. And if I'm looking at the second round, there are some young guys that Eddrushers that could surprise in the second round, Austin Booker Jonah Ellis, the two younger defensive ends that could be day two guys. But what else would surprise you at 18 before we transition to day two?

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Yeah, I think it would just be us spending more time talking about those other three corners. If it's Cooper DeGine, if it's Kooli and McKinjury PERSON. You know, Kulay McKinjury PERSON is a high recruit guy that played as a freshman, still young, and checked the boxes every single year. He started at Alabama GPE, big time program, has the athleticism, has the ball production, played in a sophisticated zone defense that should be able to translate very quickly.You look at his PFF grades. It's like rookie or freshman years like a 75, then an 80, and then at 89. He just got better. I think people got tired of talking about him. He was the top 15 pick projected throughout. There was prophesied.He was always going to be a top 15 pick. And now we're sitting there at 18 saying he's not worth it. I think a lot of teams are still going to have them. And if he goes top 16 or so right at that cusp there right before the Bengals ORG pick, don't be shocked. And if the Bengals ORG have a high opinion on him, I wouldn't be absolutely surprised.

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Yeah, makes sense. It does. Like the cornerback, they've prioritized cornerback in the past couple of drafts. So the fact that they would be in at the top of this class, depending on who's there, would make a ton of sense. I think, do you think they would go Nate Wiggins PERSON still, despite his weight? Like in a trade-down scenario, let's say they moved

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down to 25 with the Packers. They didn't care about the weight of Emmanuel Forbes PERSON, right? Like, that was a guy. We were all pretty sure they liked.

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Sure, but you already have DJ Turner PERSON. Does it matter? Does it matter? I think that's the

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interesting, because you can only have so many guys that are, that way less than James and Jake PERSON,

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you know? Combined. Yeah. And so I agree. I maybe that's our own internal biases of.

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I pretended that you are 120 pounds.

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But, yeah, I think that might be our own personal thing.

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Like when we get to receivers talking in a second here,

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that what we think they should have or what they should want

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or how they can maximize things,

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I would hope they would go with a bigger corner.

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You know, maybe that's Cam Hart PERSON or somebody that could hold up a little bit more on the outside.

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Oh, yeah. Or yeah. Pick 149, Cam Hart PERSON or somebody that could hold up a little bit more on the outside. Oh, yeah.

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Or pick 149, Cam Hart PERSON.

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All right.

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Or a Quantez Stiggers PERSON, perhaps.

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I'm going to just keep mentioning that name.

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That's three straight episodes.

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How about you get them both, Hart round five and one of those sixth rounders because they're not going to be able to trade them all?

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And to finish the conversation on Corner, it's kind of funny because we're saying,

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hey, corner one they could really be into.

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Because gets to the second,

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third round, we're talking about cornerback two and three types. Like, I don't know that the Bengals ORG have to have that. I think it's more about the opportunity to get something that you don't have. Yes, they need a corner four,but that can be third round, fourth round, fifth round. Other than that, I think we're talking about it at 18 because these guys are special.

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And the second round corners that are projected right now are not guys that fit a lot of what we think the Bengals ORG like, which is especially a priority on speed. Max Melton being one that stands out as a potential day two corner. And there's probably a couple others. But Max Melton PERSON has been the one throughout the process that's really stood out as far as the profile is concerned. But Joe PERSON, you hinted at it. We're going to talk about wide receivers again.

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Much to everyone who loves wide receivers talks, Joy PERSON.

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We have thought for a lot of time in this process that the Bengals ORG would prioritize a wide receiver of some sort. Probably not in the first round. It's never seemed like that would fit, but if Roma Dense PERSON falls, as a certain mock draft published on Monday suggested, oh, I know which one it was,then maybe they would consider it. Looking at day two.

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They better. If that happens, they better.

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I'm just, it's only coming out of that.

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They should pick Roma Dense PERSON.

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Yeah.

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He's available.

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And then trade T PERSON right away, right?

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And then trade T PERSON right away.

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To get all the fish, Ashenu PERSON right there. And then trade back up into the first round to get an offensive tackle or one of the, yeah, absolutely. We're talking fantasy land, though. Let's talk about reality a little bit here.

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Sounds like we just got hired to be the GM. Okay.

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Come on. We talked a lot about versatile receivers, and at times I've wondered, is that something that we want them to do so that Jamar Chase PERSON can play more in the slot and they can kind of align in more of an amoeba? Or is that something we think that they will do?And that maybe instead they're looking at it, like we've got a hold at slot receiver. Maybe we just need a slot receiver.

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Yeah, the same way we've said that they've kind of left corner alone in free agency. They didn't address nose tackle. We know that. But you can't draft a nose tackle in the first two rounds typically, unless they want to go completely rogue, which is one of my nightmare scenarios, also Mason Smith at 49.But, yeah, if they want to address their open holes, I think wide receiver three being the slot guy is one of them. And yes, I still think that Andreosovash PERSON has a role on the team. Charlie Jones PERSON will have a role on the team. But we're talking about potentially 49, 80, 97 for those picks. Those are complete upgrades for what they drafted Charlie Jones and Andre Yoshibash PERSON at,even though Charlie was a fourth round pick was the end of the fourth round. So we're talking about a decent enough gap to where they could look at it and say, hey, we need to fill the slot position this year. Charlie didn't play it at Purdue or at Iowa or at Buffalo ORG. Like Andre Yoshibach actually had more career snaps in the slot at Harvard ORG or Princeton than Charlie Jones PERSON did, one of those Ivy schools.But the point is he needed some development. Charlie PERSON needed some development inside. Just because he's white and sneaky fast doesn't mean he's just an automatic slot guy, right? You're shaking your head, but it's true. You get your hands on him, you get him in the room and you go, oh, he actually needs to learn a little bit more than we thought he did, and he's already an automatic slot guy, right? You're shaking your head, but it's true. You get your hands on him, you get him in the room, and you go, oh, he actually needs to learn a little bit more than we thought he did, and he's already 25 years old.

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And he told me that straight up. He's like, I'm way more comfortable outside, and I'm learning playing inside, which makes

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sense because there's a lot to learn when it comes to playing slot receiver. So if the Bengals ORG need a slot and view they need a slide and could find an upgrade in this class, that makes me more comfortable with this class, number one, from a personal thing, because I look at it and say there's not a lot of number ones or even maybe good number twos, but there's a lot of solid twos and good number threes in this class. It's a good receiver class, but for what we could potentially need, the Bengals ORG can need,it makes sense. So is that where we see them attack, and maybe the versatility is more of a bonus for the guys like Jalen McMillan or the Ricky Pearsall's PERSON, or is it, hey, we're going to have to kick Keon Coleman inside in the slot, but he can play a little bit outside stuff. He can be a jump ball receiver on the outside. T.J. Hishman PERSON's out I used to get out there once in a while.They throw him deep balls and let him be a big box out type receiver. Can you do some of that stuff with Keon Coleman PERSON? Or is it like, and I think that's why when we go over with these mock drafts, sometimes we don't target those slot only the Roman Wilson's right we we kind of bypass them looking for more versatility but I don't know if we're actually correct on that and maybe they would value like a guy like Roman Wilson that is just a slot but you know what he can play slot and he can play it this year for us it's interesting that you're

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in Norman Wilson PERSON specifically at 510, 511 nearly,

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when you consider their history of the type of player they've drafted, even to play in the slot. Yeah, I agree. Typically, they like bigger guys, whether that's from T.J. Hushman Zada, Mohammed Sunu, or then Tyler Boy.They want the bigger guys that, because they're going to be a three-wide receiver team, you need that guy to block a little bit. You need them to dig out those nickel corners and safeties. That's why I think Keon Coleman still at 49 makes a ton of sense for them. And then when I start to get to the Jalen McMillans and the Ricky Piersols PERSON and say, yeah, I could see them seeing that as a slot with plus versatility.

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Can my guy Luke McCaffrey get a little love?

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How about him? I mean, 6-1.

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He's got the size, 198. I mean, he doesn't weigh less than Liscoe or Ropeen or Goodberry PERSON for that mad. McCaffrey PERSON's ready to go.

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Yeah, I think Brendan Rice as well in that range from the 97 to 115 is, you know, although these guys fit as guys that you may have to convert them inside. But yeah, I think they're both going to be slot receivers at their best in the NFL ORG.

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I wonder also if we're, what am I trying to say. Zach Taylor PERSON has not drafted a slot receiver is what I'm trying to say.

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So when we think about their trends at receiver,

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they did draft obviously T. Higgins PERSON, a bigger guy who's always going to play outside. They drafted Jamar Chase PERSON, whose size doesn't matter because of the way he plays football and his level of athleticism, and they drafted a couple of day three wide receivers.We haven't seen them aggressively target a slot receiver. So maybe, maybe we are reading too much into the size issue that's led me to dismiss the Roman Wilson types, the slot onlys that are a little bit smaller, the Malik Washington PERSON, Taj Washington PERSON. And I mean, they spent a lot of time with Jacob Cowing, Arizona GPE, who's 5-8-168 at his pro day.So maybe that is a little bit of an overreed.

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Back to lighter than us, just for those wondering. You think they're in on Malachi Corley, Joe PERSON? That is an interesting one.

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Yeah, maybe that's another guy too, who's a lot of slot, Debo Samuel PERSON versatility in terms of backfield things. And he's got a lot of fun tape because they manufacture a lot of touches for him, but I think you may have to. And what does that do for guys like,you know, will a Kyle Shanahan PERSON to bring up a Debo? Well, Kyle PERSON see him as, oh, this is a guy I can use, no doubt. Whereas Zach Taylor PERSON, who isn't, well, I wouldn't say that completely.I was going to say who isn't scheming guys open consistently. I would say that they're prioritizing scheme in say who isn't scheming guys open consistently. I would say that they're prioritizing scheme and open Jamar Chase and T. Higgins and Tyler Boyd PERSON and the guys they've had. But if Malachi Corley ends up being your number two option in a year or two, yeah, you can see a way where they're like, yeah, we know how to get the ball into his hands. And they don't have another screen guy, right?They don't have another yak guy other than Jamar Chase PERSON. And that's a big issue in this offense. When you're getting those umbrella cloud coverages, defenses are saying, okay, check it down and see if we can come tackle you. And the Bengals ORG don't have anybody to make you miss or run through your face. And guys like Malikw, Washington, Malachi Corley, while small and shifty,they'll take that ball and they'll run right through a corner's face and try and run them over and run through them and bounce around them and stay on their feet and gain extra yard. Yeah, the Bengals ORG could use that. So I'm not completely against it. And if they recognize that same need, yeah, I could see it happening. The other thing,

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I just want to mention it before I forget last year, obviously they go slot with Charlie Jones and they projected him to be a slot. And then they go get Andre Yosevash, two guys that they showed interest in, or at least one, one guy that you like a lot, Joe, Jalen Coker out of Holy Cross, late, sixth round, seventh round. Josh Seifis, they've looked at developmental outside guys and prioritize the guy that's actually going to play and make an impact on day two of the draft. Yeah, I could see that.

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It's the wide receiver, the double dip situation. Now, you have Trent Nervyn, who's probably one of your top five or six guys, right? So it depends on how many you draft if that guy in the end, if Janele Coker makes the roster, or is that, you know, I don't know if we knew that Andre Yosobosch PERSON was going to make the roster either. And so they get here in camp and you're like, oh, the guy can play. And then this year, especially. He beat out Stanley PERSON.He beat out Stanley Morgan, you know.

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Who's been a fixture on the team for a long time.

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But you're not going to have T. Higgins PERSON in camp more than likely, right? We don't expect them to show up until a week before the first game, let's say, based on how Jesse Bates PERSON situation went and how typically franchise tag situations go. So if you only draft a slot guy this year, you're going to be rolling out there with Jemar Chase, that slot guy, Charlie Jones guy, Charlie Jones, Andre Yoshubash and Trent Nirwin PERSON on the outside replacing T. Higgins and trying to run a full functioning camp in the summer with that. Not ideal. So there is a scenario here where, yeah, you may want to spend,even if it's a third or 49 and then a fourth round, 39 and then a fifth round. Or 49, I'm going to say, and then a fifth round. Yeah, I could see them double dipping and adding to that room because you're going to need it throughout the summer.

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Joe, appreciate the time and insight as always as we talk about some of the things we think the Bengals ORG might do. Reading the T leaves here on lockdown Bengals ORG getting mystical with it right before the draft. That's going to do it for this episode. Find his show Bengals on the Brain on the first star logistics ORG YouTube channel. Until next time, we'll do a predictive mock draft here on lockdown Bengals ORG.

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What Jay-Send receivers.

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The Bengals will do on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday this week. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals WORK_OF_ART podcast. Who day? And have a good one.

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