339: Ballarat Marathon | Hamburg Marathon | Suzhou/Shanghai Diamond League

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Born to the river Blackbird in my face.

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Welcome episode number 339 of the inside running podcast thanks for joining us for another weekwe've got a big show coming at you this week there's marathons happening to talk about in HamburgBallarat GPE happened locally big half marathon over in Japan we got a listen to questions moose on the loosebecause moose is back heaps are running news on this agenda tonight so thanks for giving up some time and listening to us on this show. Welcome to my co-host. He's up in Canberra. Bradley Croker. How are you going? Good, Brady. Congratulations on your run.

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Yesterday. I'm looking forward to a two-hour marathon recap. Oh, thank you, Crokes PERSON. I don't really like

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going too deep on my recaps, but I took some've got i took some notes i'll jot jotted some stuff down today just to um you know put some memories on a piece of the paper so yeah looking forward to debrief and that and everything else that's on this um agenda tonight with you our other co-host is finally back crooks being to paris and back since we had him on the show last i think he's done one run since he's been on the show last julian big Moose Spence, welcome back to the Inside Running ORG podcast. Thank you, mate.

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Good to see you on the weekend. Also, I'm a bit disappointed to be on here now because I can't listen to the show every Tuesday morning. I was enjoying putting you blokes in the ear. I thought you covered it pretty well over the last month. A bit soft on the opinions, though.

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Three weeks away. Especially the guests,. A bit soft on the opinions, though. Three weeks away.

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Especially the guests, I thought.

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Very soft, the guests.

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No opinions. Really enjoyed listening to them. But when it came to an opinion, gee, didn't, a lot of fence sitting, wasn't there?

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Reese Edwards liked an opinion in the first week you're away.

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But yeah, Alian Leanne PERSON, pretty politically correct opinionated.

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Alienly and people were ruffled. Yeah. Yeah, really didn't want to shake the boat there a couple of politicians i reckon well

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one's from cambra GPE so you get that and um maybe angling for some some roles in a in aa

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they've got to keep it pretty clean though don't they when you're in the top kind of like

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five or ten athletes in australia for this for their events yeah and they're

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both got sponsors you know like sponsors probably don't want to hear some outlandish opinions do they

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well i guess i guess reese has sponsors too maybe he's just on a lower level than those two in fact i think he probably is but no that were good you you all the whole gang chipped in i really um enjoyed hearing you talk about the Nationals and the Diamond League ORG. Really nerded out a bit. I've missed those weeks, to be honest.

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Got another Diamond League to talk about tonight. Crookes PERSON will be covering that.

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Crokes PERSON will be all up and about about that.

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Hey, Moose, obviously tonight shows, you know, predominantly about our man Brady.

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But I haven't spoken

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to you for a few weeks. And I feel like last week you needed a bit of a hug, you know, like you

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come back from Paris GPE, your knee was sore, you lost your power, you did your back. How you

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going, mate? Are you all right? I'm back, mate. I am. I've had a good week. Last week was a horror. Last week the knee was sore.

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I was still jet lagged. I did my back in the gym so I couldn't really move properly, which means I couldn't exercise. And there was no light at the end of the tunnel. It was hard work. On top of that, we're living out of our laundry,which is also now our kitchen. It's our pantry. It's our living room. And there's three of our laundry, which is also now our kitchen. It's our pantry. It's our living room. And there's three of us basically in this tiny little shoebox trying to survive while the kitchen gets renovated. And today they did some concreting in here.So the concrete dust went everywhere. It was hard work. It was hard work that week, especially when I couldn't get my little, you know, whatever it did. Met it will call it endorphin flow from either running or surfing. But the back has come good. And this week I got some jogs in.I've been surfing a little bit and also got down to Ballarat on Sunday. So got to see the great man in action and he was great, Brad PERSON. But I tell you what.

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You were good on the bike.

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There were some celebrities down there. I rode past Rob Deke, Costella, Mona PERSON. I think Benita Willis PERSON was Benita Willis was on course.

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Yep.

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Lisa Waitman. What was Deke PERSON?

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What was Deke PERSON doing down there?

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He was just on the side of the road. He was at the side of the road at 18K. So he thought we were running the half marathon. And he said to us like, come on fellas, dig in, 3K to go, all downhill. And like, we've got like 30K to go here, Deke PERSON. But yeah, thank you for the encouragement.

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Yeah, but there was some big names. But no one got more photo requests than our mate, Brad PERSON. And most of the time it was him requesting the photos with random people.

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But he was a proper celebrity.

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It was great to watch. And he loved it too. Great for Lulu Lemon down there.

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Well, it's a good reward for, you know, perseverance and consistency. Because this man's been putting in 7,000 Ks a year since 2018 without a PB. So, yeah, well deserved.

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I think I've been going for that since like 2015 crooks before we started the podcast.

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A few Ks under the belt. You listen to that monthly episode you have with bloody Christian who's digging himself a hole every week and he's filling the sand in on top of him. And he's the most down bloke in the world then you got Toby PERSON who he's coming up but he hasn't been able to his body lets him down and you who justtoils away for no result if you listen to that show you get pretty depressed you don't know you wonder why why you're doing it

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well you start feeling pretty good about yourself three guys on there battling away.

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You do, don't you? You just, when I talk about light at the end of the tunnel, you come out of that show and you're like, geez, these bloke's got to give it up. Maybe take up skiing or something.

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Rough compare me to those two boys. Very rough. Oh, what?

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They were the ones telling me not to race.

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Yeah, well, that was an interesting one,

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when the question was to you, are you committed? And it was two weeks out or something, and you thought, oh, see how the workout goes. I'm not sure. And I think both of them said, you've got to be into this. You've got to be in this or it'll go poorly.

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Yeah, it wasn't until last weekend.

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Like a week out, I pretty much pulled the trigger of like full commitment. Yeah, yeah. It's following the buildup wasn't until last weekend. Like a week out, I pretty much pulled the trigger of like full commitment. Yeah, yeah. It's following the buildup wasn't traditional in terms of mindset and focus and everything. So, I mean, that's the beauty of these podcasts, right? You see a good result and you can track back three months and hear the formula for that result. And you can hear the lead in and see if there's any patterns or anything that was differentfrom the three months before the race that went poorly. It's all on record. You'll have to do that one day.

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Well, that's what I was jotting notes about this morning. Like some people have gone straight away with. It's like the no pressure thing and like the local travel was the difference. And other people are like it's the whole having the longer build up and having a sake in the legs and then being able to go to the next level again. And like, like, yeah, it's a few different things.I think the combination of the course and like, yeah, it's, I don't know, I can't put my finger on one thing, but I think a lot of things kind of come together yesterday that that meant I could PB.

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Well, I reckon the result, like, you know, I still think you can run significantly faster than what you have run. And it's been there before now. Like, I think the mental side of things massive in that it's almost like, in a way you're not expected to go there and run that well. Like, you know, like, it's the first year of Ballarat GPE, you know, traditionally, like, it's not known for being super fast. It can be a bit windy.So, like, having all of that pressure off, but the fact that you still fit, you know, obviously allowed you then to be able to, yeah, get the result that, you know, you sort of deserve and hopefully it's a stepping stone to something faster. Yeah, but the problem is now, it's like, now you go, oh, if I go overseas, I should be able to run a few minutes faster. And then that changes the mindset into I now have to run a few minutes faster.

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It was just a feeling too. Like, I just felt great the whole race. Like I'd never, a couple of times, I'm like, okay, this is starting to get like tiring. But the way the wind was going and the course layout like you were the most tired at obviously you know 35k onwards and that was when you got a tailwind and downhill and massive crowds and it was just um yeah what don't you

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why don't you always go last why don't you go through your week and then give us your race recap

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yeah we might uh croaks we to, to set an intermission.

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Um,

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yeah,

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so I'm going to have a piss.

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Should we pre-p preempt that?

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This is coming from the two guys that bang on about boring weeks,

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like every single week of the year.

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Like,

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I don't know why,

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what you guys are thinking about me banging on for too long.

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Oh,

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here he is.

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Look, he has one good run.

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He's up and up and about,

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isn't he?

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What?

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He's finally getting a bit of mic time and you guys are cut me off here.

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All right, tell us what you're on Monday.

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Monday.

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I did an hour easy at 444 pace.

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In the afternoon, I did 6K in the other at 449 pace. Tuesday I caught up with Archie PERSON. We did like a 4K tempo. We kind of progressed it a bit, kind of started at 316 pace and then worked down to 309 for the last K.Jog two minutes and then did four by two minute reps, which were probably just under three minute K pace off a minute jog between. So that was a nice little taper workout. Good to have some company there as well. Wednesday did 12K at 442 pace in the morning. Then I got some treatment.I had a bit of a tight back. So I went and saw my man, Jay Court PERSON, the horse masseuse boys, told you about him before. Just works wonders with his hands. He, um, yeah, he loosened me up.

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Hold on a second. Some drug testing after the ray.

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Oh, yeah, I'll get to the drug testing.

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No, he doesn't. He just puts his hands on me. Nothing goes inside my body at all.

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Equine anti-flamp.

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No. Yeah, nothing through any, any, yeah, we'll move on from there.

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Did 20 minutes after that just to, like, loosen up.

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So that was at like 456 pace.

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Thursday, did 12K at 438 pace. Friday did 11K with 8 by 30 seconds TIME surges with a minute jog between those.

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And I was back at school because we had Thursday off school because it was Anzac Day. And then Friday I got to school and I only had 13 students. So like 12 of them had a long weekend and just didn't rock up. So I was like, this is perfect for marathon prep. Having 12 kids away meant that the day at work was pretty chilled out. Saturday did 7K in the morning before Carly and I drove to Bendigo GPE, dropped off the kids at myparents, and then we went on to Ballarat GPE, went and picked up the bib. I submitted my drinks as well. I watched the 5 PRODUCTK happen, and then we went down and watched the mile happen. And I was blown away. I was like this event, like I've done a lot of big collections in my days and it felt like this event was established and been going for like five years with how easy and how all professional that was set up.So yeah, had a good experience there. Had some pasta laid low and then got to the race day Sunday and went for a bit of a walk at about half past six just just to the main we were staying like a block and a half from the start line so went to like the main road which is sturt street where a lot of the racing was on and just um yeah walked around for probably i don't know 10 minutes headphones, headphones in, getting in the zone. Notice it was pretty windy, but it was kind of a northerly,so it was kind of coming across Sturt Street FAC at that stage. And, yeah, then got to the start line. Just a relaxed atmosphere. The half marathoners were obviously there as well. So a lot of familiar faces with guys like Archie and Reese Edwards PERSON, stood next to TommyDeCano on the start line, having a good laugh. Yeah, heaps of listeners, heaps of people from the run of PB community. It was just a great setup. I was shocked with how steep Sturt Street FAC was, Moose. I didn't like, I knew it was a hill, but when I got there on the Saturday, I was like, oh, this is a decent hill that probably goes for a k and a half QUANTITY um and the way the way the race worked we started probably uh maybe a third up it so yeah you kind of had maybe maybe a k of it in the first lap and then when you went through lap one then you had the whole one and a half k of it um all together there so gun PERSON goesi think if you look at the just on the hill if you look at the course profile then you had the whole 1.5K QUANTITY of it all together there. So gun goes.

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I think if you look at the, just on the hill, if you look at the course profile, if you took out the hill, it would probably be 80 metres of climbing, maybe less for the entire marathon. But you add that one hill in and you do it twice, like all up, or well, like one and a half times i guess you're gonna um you you get about 180 or something or 160 so it's it's a pretty serious hill you're right yeah i do like that it came

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at the start and then at like 21k though i felt like once you're up it at at 22 23k CARDINAL that you didn't have a lot there was one other pinch coming out of vict Park FAC, but other than that, it was pretty flat.

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Hold on a second here. Hold on a second.

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Vic Park FAC?

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That pinch. That is not a pitch. I was training there for six years.

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Yeah, I've trained with you on there.

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Where's the pinch at? When you come out of it.

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So you get, you drop down the hill when you go into Vic Park FAC, and then you do that crit track thing, and then you come out of it, So you get, you drop down the hill when you go into Vic Park and then you do that

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crit track thing and then you come out of it and then there was a drinks table and then

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you turned a sharp left and then a sharp right and then another left to get onto

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Sturt Street FAC.

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And it was also the wind was hammering us straight up there as well. Maybe it was the wind.

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I don't think there's much hill involved there.

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There's a hill there for sure.

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Have a look at my Strava PRODUCT splits.

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I'm looking at your Strava PRODUCT now.

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Hey, Brady, before you get into the actual race itself, so like on the start line,

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talk us through like your nerves and your mentality compared to like Valencia GPE and a soccer.

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Are you like as nervous as you are on those start lines or is it completely different?

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I was very relaxed with the like the nothing to lose kind of mentality and this race didn't

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really mean much to me.

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But at the same time I was like nervous and worried that I didn't know how my body was going

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to perform given the like not traditional build up and the fact that I'd race to soccer like eight

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weeks before. So like there was very like big concerns that this could be a shocking day and my body just wasn't ready and I run 225 or I pull out after the first lap. Like that unknown was a bit that was worrying me. Whereas those other races, you know you kind of fit and you know you're kind of ready to go and you kind of primed for that day.So yeah, it was kind of two minds air croaks, which wasn't super giving me a lot of confidence. But once we got going, it was fine. Like we jumped in a pack of half marathoners. Um, yeah, I was surprised how slow the half marathoners were going in like the first three or four K. Kind of made a comment to Nathan PERSON, who I was running with that like, yeah, these guys don't look like they're going to run 63 today. Like it seemed they kind of went off at 66 pace and maybe then picked it up. comment to Nathan who I was running with that like, yeah, these guys don't look like they're going to run 63 today. Like it seemed they kind of went off at 66 pace and maybe then picked it up.Yeah, we got to, and then we kind of got dropped. They started running like 310s, whereas they were kind of running 315s for the first 4 or 5K the group where we were in. And then Nathan PERSON I were kind of solo. And then it probably 8 or 9K, Ben Kelly PERSON got dropped from the group and was kind of coming back to us. And when we called him,he just turned around and said, like, my day's done for the half marathon, what pace are you guys running? And he just, yeah, offered to paces, which was really nice of him. So we just said, yeah, keep it at 317, 318and get us through the first lap, if you want. We really appreciate that. And you felt the wind, I think, Moose, once you got to Lake Wendaree LOC, that was a lot more exposed. And you probably, yeah, actually ran into that northerly, whereas it felt like it was always going across Sturt Street FAC for probably the first10 or 12K of that lap.

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Yeah, it was a real side wind.

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And then the second lap, like the first lap was pretty, it was a real side wind and then then the second lap

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like the first lap was pretty pretty calm I reckon about 10k an hour wins but then it definitely picked up for your second lap and you felt it the most on the on the lake for sure.

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Yeah and I think on the second lap as well it kind of we felt like we had it coming down Sturt Street which was nice.

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A bit of a tail win there as well

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so yeah Ben took us through like the first lap in oh I should have had these times it coming down Sturt Street FAC, which was nice, a bit of a tail win there as well. So yeah,

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Ben took us through like the first slap in, oh, I should have had these times written down.

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I think it was like 6933 CARDINAL, which was good. And then he just, he just kept running up the hill,

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which was really nice of him and got us up the hill for the second time before pulling out. And then, yeah, I was going to turn to Nate. So we were sitting in second and third at this stage, and Tommy DeCano PERSON was out in front. He went through with Reese Edwards in like 6530 CARDINAL, I think it was. So, yeah, we couldn't see him at all. He was well out in front.And then, yeah, I kind of said to Nate PERSON because it was a bit windy. I said, we'll take 2K each, which got us in and then out of Vic Park FAC, and it got us to the most. Is that easterly point moose when you do the U-turn up the top?

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Northeast, I guess.

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North-east, yeah. Northwest, northwest. Okay, yeah, whatever that point was, which was pretty quiet up there, a few kind of spectators, but you kind of run it on the side of a of a major kind of road and yeah bit exposed a bit open and it climbed a tiny bit like you could just tell you were slightly going uphill and then when we did the ui there it was my turn to lead and i felt great so i just um yeah kept the pacewhere we're at and then yeah nath kind of dropped off a bit and that was probably the first time or the first time on that second lap moose that you pulled up next to us and yeah kind of said some encouraging words and then that led down to my favorite part of the course i don't know the straight or the street name but once you turn the left off sturt street

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moose there was like crowds on both sides pleasant street yeah so croakes PERSON this was like the road

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you went in to access the lake, but then you also came out of the lake.

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So you had like a whole lot of like spectators there

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because they could see at a few different points. A bit like Albert Park at Melbourne Marathon EVENT, that sort of junction.

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Yeah, kind of bit, kind of maybe only like a two lane road. So like you had the support on both sides of the road. It was really kind of cool. It felt like tour de Francie. Like the crowd was almost like on top of you and obviously a lot of people chose to stand there for the morning and then you got onto the lake and there was just very little spectators and um it's a 6k lake and it just seems to go forever but i was just i was just i was just um yeah ticking off the ks I felt like I was in a really really goodrhythm um I went from being this is something that really worked for me as well I was like first lap I was like okay I want to stay in third and I want to get some prize money that's my goal for today and then second lap I'm like okay I'm in second I really want to protect second position so then when I was getting away from Nate PERSON, I was kind of like growing in confidence. And there was a moment when I yelled out to Mooseand I asked him Crokes how far back is fourth. And he just said there is no fourth. Like, which gave me a lot of confidence too. It was like, don't worry about fourth anymore. Like you are, you're running well here. Like keep this confidence and building on this kind of thingand then i had the mentality when i got to the lake that i was going to make the lake my bitch which i never ever speak like that in in any other aspect of my life and when i turned on to

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the lake i'm like this lake i've got 20 minutes around this lake i'm going to smash this lap of

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the lake to finish this race off and then it was like super windy in the first 50 meters QUANTITY of the

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lake and that um the lake quickly made me made me yeah it's a bitch yeah um but we got around there

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it was 6k around there grind it out i did yat to moose about 500 meters before the lake finished like when does this lake end because i just didn't know when we were going to turn off but then we turned off at like 39 39 k QUANTITY got this massive tailwind, and then it just all rolled downhill and the crowds. Like obviously it's a bit of a heartland of where our listeners are. Like that was where you were living when we started the show Moose PERSON.So there's a lot of probably listeners that we've got there from the start. People just yell in my name. I was very grateful with the amount of support I got. And I was feeling great like I just, yeah, started. I just had my lap. I was very grateful with the amount of support I got. And I was feeling great. Like I just, yeah, started. I had my lap Ks on for my watch, which I'd never doing marathons.And I forgot to turn them off. But I was just getting positive, like, reinforcement every K.

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Because I'm like, there was times when I'm like, back off a bit. It's a bit windy. And then my watch would beepen to be like, 3.20.

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And I'm like, this isn't even slowing you down. This is fantastic. So at this stage I'm seeing like 315s, 314s CARDINAL. And I'm like, that's when I started thinking. I'm like, I must be close to being out of break 220 today. And then that was when it got a bit messy. We started hitting some half marathoners. So they're kind of running what two hour 25 two hour 30 kind of half marathons and a lot of them like had headphones in and they were kind of all over the road so moose and your mate on the bike as well were great just like yelling out to people likestay left um which was yeah probably one of my bits of feedback to the race if somehow on sturt street on the second lap they can just say you know marathoners stick to the right half marathoners stick to the left and funneling in that way would be

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yeah super easy and then to be to be fair there was only probably 10 PRODUCT people that it it bothered I don't think any like outside the top 10 PRODUCT would have had any issue with that yeah okay

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because moving at different speeds or they would have been finished by have had any issue with that yeah okay because moving at different speeds or they would have been finished by the time they got sure you mean yeah okay yeah

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because Tommy PERSON they were trying to get a car through for Tommy weren't they or you wouldn't have seen

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any of that deal with me yeah he was but but but that's the thing right first place has the has the

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escort but but then you get to second and third and fourth and there's no there's nothing so um you have to make the noise yourself yeah and and because there was a decent gap

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like a couple of minutes between when that first place went through people just forget what's

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going on and all the sudden they spread across the road again and uh the the earphones are the worst

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aren't they like yeah they just can't hear you kind of

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saying stuff yeah and you feel like a bit of a jerk off telling people to get across um but it's like they pay their money they're allowed to be on the course oh yeah the confusion and like most of

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the time they want to move when the best thing is not to move it's just like I'll get around you and then they'll kind of look back and you're like stay there stay. And then all of a sudden it's like they move into your line. And then you've got to make a like last minute kind of sidestep. So that got a bit, yeah, a bit congested. This is like literally in the last K I'm talking about here.

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Last day, yeah. Yeah. And then my watch beeped at 42K. So at the very bottom of the hill. And I knew my K markers would be out a bit. So I wasn't reallyconcerned about how accurate that was going to be. But it said like 2.18.30, and I was just like, all right, I've got 90 seconds to get up this hill, and I just fanged it. I just ran as

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hard as I could. Got a bit emotional coming over the line, because I was starting to think I'd never break 220 again, and I really didn't expect Ballarat GPE to be the place to do it. And yeah, it was at one of those stages where I knew, you know, 50 metres out. I'm like, there's no way that I'm not going to break my PB here. And this is just, yeah, I've been under the finish lines at marathons many a times when it's been a shit day. And I like, just, yeah, appreciate this.And, yeah, saw mona he kind of gave me a shake of the hand and said said congratulations and the commentator did go to send me through for another lap she was like here comes one of our marathoners about to start their second lap and I'm like oh this is a bit awkward I'm actually finishing um so that kind of ruin the moment a tiny bit but um yeah, stoked across the line. As I said, it felt amazing, like plenty of running in the last couple of Ks PRODUCT.And, yeah, it was a really pleasant experience until I think quickly got pulled aside. And, yeah, found out I had to do a drug test, which I'd done once before at Stahl in 2012. Have you guys done one before? No.

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Only at home.

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Oh yeah. So you're on at home? And blood.

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And blood, yeah.

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So yeah, this was, yeah, just urine. Tommy PERSON got blood as well as you're on. But it's just a, I want to just to like see Carly and Zach PERSON straight away and like just celebrate. You know, go to a pub with some mates and stuff afterwards. And I fully understand like the importance of clean sport and get that.But I knew straight away after my experience it's stalled that it's like a couple of our process to be able to actual provider sample. So it went from, yeah, skull and water, gatorates, trying to get as much liquid in me as possible. And then I think, yeah, we went to presentations, and I think it was like 12.30, 1 TIMEpm,but I like the time I could provide a sample. At this stage, like Carly PERSON's sat in the car for two hours out the front of our hotel, and like everyone's gone home, and you leave the town hall with your novelty check and um and backpack and everyone's packing up um guard rails and things like that so um yeah it wasyeah it's just a bit of a buzz kill because you just want to yeah start celebrating with your mates who also had good days and you're you're stuck in a town hall but that's part of our sport and um yeah definitely not complaining about

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the importance of clean sport but then you can't bella barlotte marathon and they've got drug

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testers there they were testing down a fourth too and those guys do a great job like they're very thorough and there's obviously strict procedures and stuff you follow but then i start like i'm the guy that gets nervous when the police are behind me driving and i'm just like have i got cocaine in the boot for some reason? Like, has someone planted drugs in my car? Like, what can I possibly be guilty for?I start thinking about, like, what supplements have I taken or what meals have I eaten in the last week? And, like, how many weeks ago was on antibiotics and things like that? I start just, like, panicking straight away. But, yeah, we get the results in two to four weeks. They send them off to the lab.And I'm just like, is this the Peter Bowl ORG lab? And they're like, yep, that's the same lab.

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Good luck, mate.

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Good luck. I know. I'm like, almost like I can't celebrate until I know that I'm clean. But I'd want to be on some pretty dodgy pads if all I'm doing is running 219, 40. They're not working too well, if that's the case.

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So you weren't doing any sums throughout the race. Like obviously you probably saw a halfway split, but outside of that you weren't really taken, like calculating what you needed to run for the last 10 PRODUCTK to wait.

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So you're 20? No, so I obviously saw halfway and I'm like, okay, we've got 27 seconds up our sleeve. And then our next K up the hill was like 328 and I'm like okay we've just lost eight seconds already that is not good um so yeah I had no no idea until yeah when my watch clicked 42 and even like moose you never gave me a split or said you know this isgo for 220 kind of thing you were just yeah saying run strong relax my jaw you said my jaw. I don't know any of it, to be honest, mate.

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Yeah. So, and I think that's probably helped me too, crooks. Like, I used to always get fixated in the 5K splits. Like, I just know they're 1635 if you want to break 220.

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And I just never saw a 5K split throughout the whole race. Something in that, maybe?

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Yeah. Yeah, I think there was something in that. Obviously, being relaxed was good

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it was do you know what was do you know what you mentioned before about that positive feedback

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you're getting from the the good watch data coming through so you're like it's the same thing

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with chasing people down isn't it? It can go either way.

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Watch data can, if you're seeing some bad stuff,

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it can totally ruin your headspace

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and it can put dark thoughts in your head

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and it can make you quit and it just makes it hard to get excited. In fact, it can do, like, drag you, drag you down into like the deep depths of the marathon well. But it can also do exactly what it did to you. You can look down and think, I'm fucking flying today.Give me more of this. I want to see what the next split is. 318, 317, 315. And you're like, I'm flying. I want to see the next one already. So, yeah, it just depends on what sort of day you're having as to whether you can use itto your advantage or not, doesn't it?

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Yeah, and I think, like, I never then look down at the pace between the K-splits going off.

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So my goal was always, run a pace, it feels right.

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Okay, bang, that equal to 318, good.

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Now, run a pace, it feels a lot right, it beeps again. Oh, that was a 316, but it feels right. Okay, bang, that equaled 318. Good. Now run a pace, it feels a lot right. It beeps again. Oh, that was a 316 PRODUCT, but it felt right. Like, I never chased a pace on my watch. I was always just feeling the pace. And I only looked at my watch.

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Yeah, I looked at it 42 times. That was it. But I was, and there was times where I'm like, back off a bit. This feels a bit like you go on too quick. And then it was backing off because of how it felt not what my

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watch was telling me because 315s PRODUCT and stuff in the past would have like freaked me out that

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I'm going to then blow up so yeah there was something in that as well I think there was something

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in having Carly PERSON on course like I usually go solo I mean sitting in a hotel room by myself for three or four nights leading in and just having someone on the course that obviously means so much in your life. Like you get excited for certain points of the course knowing that that was coming up. So that, and it probably kept me calm in the drive over and the hotel room and things like that as well. So, yeah, that was probably another factor that I did differently for this one coming into this race.

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Looks like a nice, just on your Strava PRODUCT here, looks like a nice finish, nice sort of downhill.

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Oh, mate, so good. And that was like, yeah, downhill and tailwind. And then you chuck the crowd factor in there. Yeah, and you do climb for the last 400, but you know what it's like. You can see the finish line. You know you're not going to die.You're just like, I can get up this hill. Like, it's's not going to if you having a bad day it would be really hard but yeah when everything was in control it was um it was a great course that really hats off to the organizers for putting that together in their first year i think it's going to become a yeah a really big race on the Australian calendar for that autumn marathon.

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Hey Moose PERSON, question for you. So you've obviously been in Ballarat GPE a lot. And it sounds like, and obviously like it was a successful first year for Ballarat, but as we know, like the weather can be real fickle down there. Would you say that this weekend was almost like as good as it gets down there? Absolutely.

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Saturday night when I got down there and watched the mile TIME,

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I spoke to a couple of other Ballarat GPE people

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and they were just looking at me going, what the fuck is going on? Like this is where they go and take photos for catalogs. That's how good the weather was that night. Not a breath of wind. It had that nice, like, pink kind of sunset.It made the buildings look amazing. And then the next morning, it wasn't as good as the Saturday night, but it was about as good as you could hope for for Ballarat GPE. And look, they do everything right, these guys. Like, they've marketed it real well. They've gone high class in how they they've like all their logistics they haven't half asked itthey're going we can sort of see that they've gone oh we're going to put a big event on here and it's going to be really good from the first year we're not going to start grassroots and then slowly introduce things they're like let's make it big and let's give everyone a top level experience. And they got four and a half thousand maybe.

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I think 4,800 I read today.

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Oh, Jesus. So that's, like that's enormous. And then everyone's come and seen the weather and had a fantastic, even if their race didn't go well, like they knew that it was like, like, it was a great day down in Ballarat GPE. It is going to set this race up.

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Moose question, yeah.

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About the wind there, like, I ran Ballarat 15K FAC so many times around the lake on windy days. And it feels like you can almost make up what you'll lose, which I don't think is like traditional

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for when you do windy races.

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Like does it swirl around there?

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No, you just, you just had the best wind that you could get for the lake.

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Yeah, Nordal LOC is good, isn't it?

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Because you get more cover on the north, but then you get the tailwind on the south.

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Yeah, because going through the gardens, you got your headwind.

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And then, and so that, like that, you get coverage from the gardens basically a lot more trees in

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there a lot more buildings and then you turn around you got the cross wind along the top of the lake and then you've got a tail in where it's real exposed in in the opposite wind it is it is so awful and you would have had a hell of a time coming back around that lake so everything worked

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out fine for you yeah the only reason i brought up the weather moves because i read an article in the days leading up and mona said look you know we've put everything in place like it's a great course like obviously the one thing that we can't control is the weather and ballarat you know is known for a bit of wind and i can't if it was, you're going to get one in three, like one out of every three days will be good or two out of three days will be good. And I guess like the only risk for this event would be,and I hateful weather to impact it, but you get a couple of these rough Ballarat GPE days a few years in a row and it's probably not going to be like the best, or the most enjoyable experience

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no it could be carnage out there but that's that's any marathon you're right it's hard to it's hard to say

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oh just be careful at baller at because yeah i mean you can get a 30 degree day at sydney

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or you can get a like a 35, 40k an hour win,

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just like we've had at Melbourne a bunch of times.

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It is, or Osaka GPE can be piss and rain.

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Like next year, every one of those could be the exact opposite and perfect.

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What they've done well, and maybe like one, you know the recommendation you had about the half people, Brady? For me, although it is an amazing finish in the city, one you know the recommendation you had about the half people brady for me although it is an amazing finish in the city down there uh and and and you get to go through like the the heritage buildings and the lydia street FAC and all that go past that the it's it's a hill that they don't need. You could realistically loop them back at the start lineto get rid of the real sharpness of the hills and you could just run a little bit further out Remembrance Drive FAC perhaps. Or you could just like, there's ways to make the course faster if they wanted. Okay.

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There's just so much flat area in Ballarat GPE.

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They could do that. And they've got like an endless road out remembrance drive that's pretty flat that you can just go out and back on to make up hilly. Like that, it's a novelty down there. But for some people, if you're going to make it for people like Tom PERSON to come down, you to come down again and run PBs. And, I mean, you did it. So, but if you, like, if you want to get more of a chance of running PBs,then you can change the course and make it quicker.

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Well, that's the message I sent you, Brady on Saturday night. It was like, good luck, mate. You know, go there, run a PB. Like, because if you run a PB there, you'll put Ballarat GPE on the map, you know, like knowing, you know, the fact that you've traveled all over the world trying to run, like, fast marathons, and then you've done it in Ballarat GPE.Like, what are the chances?

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You reckon I invoice them gross? Not many people ran PBs there. Maybe.

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Wait for that drug test comes back.

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Yeah.

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I'm very confident the drug test is going to be fine.

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So Brady, question in terms of, what does this change now for future marathons in

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terms of your training leading in, but also potentially your like mental approach?

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Good question.

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That's a thing.

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You can't like pinpoint one thing and be like, like I did see a comment somewhere like

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it's all those 200K weeks like I did one 200k week in the last three months. So I don't think it's like, I do want to experiment with getting more mileage under my belt. I think I run well off higher mileage and a lot of easy jogging and stuff like that. It feels like monkeys just off the back a bit croaks because I've gone, like, yeah, as I said before, it's obviously pretty well documented. I'm not great at running marathons and I was on a bit of a regression.So this was one of the ones, probably the only one, where I ran strong like every K of the race. So it gives me a lot of confidence that if I, yeah, do the next one wherever it is, that I can run a solid, you know, 42K in a row, not be fading at 35K and have to survive a bit. I should also note that I went a bit heavier carb-wise. So my three days leading in with my carbs, I tracked all that. And Thursday, I had 677 grams QUANTITY. Friday I had 640 and Saturday I had 590.So I went probably a bit over the old 10 grams per kilo QUANTITY of body weight. And then I probably had close to 100 grams an hour during the race. So I think that...

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A hundred an hour QUANTITY?

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Yeah, I reckon...

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Solid. It's a solid amount.

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Yeah, I had the 90... I pretty much nearly finished the 90 gram QUANTITY big precision one. And I had the drink mix as well so I was kind of topping up but and that's been a long time practicing to be able to hold that and then I also taped like random gels I just had in the shed to the drink bottles and then I would just grab them off my drink bottle and just have like one mouthful and then throw it just to just get like littletop ups as I was going and they were just different flavors as well so I think that's another thing croaks like the the fueling for this one obviously worked because I felt strong the whole way yeah so it's something

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I take yeah confidence in next time around and um you uh you uh you dumped your um your little athlete

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your coach at 30K mark, flattened him out.

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Yeah, well, I'll give him any warning, or was it just all bets are off at that point or what?

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No, it was just my turn to lead, and I just kind of kept the pace similar.

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And Nate's probably someone we do need to get, because he should be running, yeah, under 220 is a 2930 guy and 65-minute guy,

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but just had struggles trying to get the carbs in and the calorie.

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So I think he did four gels for the whole race. So we're talking about 120 grams QUANTITY for the whole race. And yet you can easy just look at his splits and see that he's hit the wall. And I said to him, that's probably the hardest thing he'll ever do trying to finish that race. Like it's a very hard situation you put yourself in when you're bonking like that. And I also said that I've just felt the best I've ever felt in my 11th marathon.Like it takes tweaking and changing things and trial and error to be able to, like it's a prick of an event in the marathon to be able to get right.

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Get his racing flats up about a thousand k QUANTITY in them?

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Unconfirmed. What do you have on? Alpha flies? I don't know.

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Who I reckon it was. I reckon it was.

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I think it was Alpha 2, man.

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He got the Alpha 2s before Burnley Half Marathon EVENT last time.

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Last year in September.

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He wore him for Burnley Half Marathon for the first time when he was second or third. So I don't think they would have had that many case in them. But yeah.

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How much cash you win?

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Uh, $2,500 after my drug test comes back clean.

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Big cash.

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But as you boys would know,

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for small business owners

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that do pay as you go for your tax, that's where that will be going straight to.

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It's a quarterly...

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It's a fucking sad life.

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It's a quarter of a man's making so much money

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with his tax bills high. And when you're working,

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when you're on a part-time teacher wage.

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No, I'm not making a hint of money. I just have a bill I have to pay because it's all pre-tax. You'd think you'd take Carly PERSON out for dinner. Sorry, Dahl PERSON.This is going on the tax bill.

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Mate, we went to the Creswick ORG IG on the way home. That was good. Who's the IGA ORG?

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The Creswick IGA ORG?

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Good IGA ORG there. Well, for dinner.

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Not for dinner, just to stock up. Just to get some snacks for the drive home croaks.

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Then you pick up the kids. The kids are tired. They don't care that you've even ran a marathon and they're crying and, yeah, falling asleep at weird times and you finally crack a beer at about 7 p.m. And then that's it.

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It's not the celebrations you think you're going to be having, but happy it's done.

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Thank you, fellas. Let's talk about something different now. And I must thank you, Moose PERSON. On course support was brilliant. Some really positive things he said to me, Crokes PERSON. And, yeah, I obviously have a lot of respect for how you execute marathons and feel it was some invaluablepiece of advice. My favourite one, Crokes PERSON, was let your jaw drop. Anyone ever said that to you before? No.

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No.

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It works.

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Did you let your jaw drop?

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Yeah, like I said, I made that like my bitch when my jaw was dropping on that second lap,

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for 500 meters.

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They should rename it the Brady Trailful lap. Take M mona's PERSON name often it was good piece of advice yeah it was um it's

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it's hard to know what you to say to someone out there in their marathon especially if they're

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going poorly you were going well so it was easy just keep running mate you're doing well you

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look and you looked amazing.

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I had no idea of pace, but you looked really good. And you were positive as well. So it was, I mean, you're in the right zone. I did have some paces run past, like the official paces, absolutely carrying on to their group, doing these big, massive pep talks halfway through the race and I was likenot sure that's what I'd want to hear halfway through a race from someone I don't know.

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Yeah, because you stopped at one stage to talk to skillsy PERSON. Yeah.

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And then I was lonely for about 4 or 5K QUANTITY until you caught back up to me and I'm like, oh,

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it was good to be solo for a bit but then I needed someone just to be like,

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oh, you're still looking good, keep going.

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So that was. yeah, I know.

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He was, I haven't seen him in years. As soon as I stopped, I'm like, oh, here we go. He's going to tell me how good he's going, but he didn't.

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And I was getting, I was getting mixed messages from like, so someone at one stage was like,

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Tom's only a minute up the road.

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He's gone to the toilet.

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I'm just like, holy shit, Tom PERSON's gone.

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And then the next person be like, he's a K up the road. And I'm like, toilet. I'm just like, holy shit, Tom PERSON's gone. And then the next person would be like, he's a K up the road. And I'm like, okay, like, that's not a minute. I had no idea where he was. But it was like three minutes in front of me. Yeah. He was never

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in striking distance. Never. Like, we could never see him. No, never saw him. Two and a half minutes

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in the end. So good to see Tommy DeCano PERSON win some cash as well. What have you always been doing? Crokes PERSON, you want to go next?

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Yeah, so I've my biggest week since June last year. I kicked off with 10K on Monday, 424s, and then I went to the gym that afternoon. Then Tuesday morning, I jumped on the treadmill. First time I've actually been on the treadmill in quite a while. So I just did 35 minutes, five minute Ks on the treadmill. And then Tuesday afternoon went out to the track. A session was a good old sort of bread and butter eight by a K off a minute standing rest. Actually felt pretty good in this session. So splitslike 315, 316, 312, 312, 313, 311, 312, 3209 CARDINAL. Pace-wise felt really smooth and comfortable. Probably just noticed like lack of volume in my legs. So like it was just more, started to just become a bit of a grind. Although the pace felt comfortable, you know, that feeling where you're just like, I'm just lacking a little bit of strength here.But got through it. My calves, though, like, I don't know what is about the track. Maybe it's my age, but like, I never used to pull up as sore from the track as I do now. And it's like, like, these paces aren't,I get it, if I'm running like 3K pace, 1500 pace, even 5K pace on the track, like, you know, I'm probably going to pull up sore, but this felt really like pretty slow. And I still pulled up sore through the calves. Anyway, and then so, yeah, Wednesday, I got out in the afternoon. I don't think I ate enough during the day because I started to get like pretty dizzy towards the back end,but did 90 minutes at 414s CARDINAL. And then on Thursday, just 8.5K, 425s CARDINAL. Friday was session day DATE down at the lake, just a 30 minute tempo. I whacked the old Alpha Fly PRODUCT ones on because my body was still feeling a bit banged upin terms of like doms and I always feel like the alpha flow ones can uh I don't know just don't pull up as sore and they don't seem to load my calves up plus I find like probably run about five second TIME decay faster than any other shoe so um yeah did 30 minutes 321s uh which yeah it was probably working like a bit hard towards the. Like I did the same session three weeks before an average 326s PRODUCT. So a nice progression, but it was probably running a little bit harder than I was three weeks ago. But I still think fitnesses progressed.Went to the gym that afternoon. Saturday got out for, what I do? An hour, 421s. Jumped on the treadmill that afternoon for 30 minutes, so 6K, and then Sunday morning, because the weather's been cooling down. So actually Friday morning, the apparent temperature when we started the actual session at 7 o'clock was felt like minus 1.And so that sort of made the session, like in terms of the conditions were great. Like there's no wind whatsoever. But you know, when it gets sort of into the minuses, you just feel like you lock up a little bit. Like you just, I don't know, like don't feel like you're moving quite as well. You just start to stiffen up a bit.But yeah, because of weather's cooling down, I figure we don't have to start our long runs quite as early. So I messaged Zach Saturday afternoon, said, mate, I'm going to start at 8 o'clock. If you're interested, he's like, yep, I'll meet you there. Got to 8 o'clock.There's no Zach PERSON. I'm like, how long do I give him? Waited until 8.05 and still no Zach PERSON. But the problem was, because I was meeting him, I never took my earphones or my headphones. So I was meeting him, I never took like my earphones or my headphones.So I was just like, all right, well, it looks like I'm just solo for two hours and nothing in my ears, which was actually quite enjoyable. You know, the time went, went pretty quick. So I did two hours, four 11s, 28.7K, got back to the car. There's a message from Zach at about quarter past eight TIME. Yeah, may have slept in.Had he been on the beers the night before?

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Yeah, I did see an Instagram story the afternoon before

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that he was having a few drinks.

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Now, Zach Moose, this is the one he murders every Sunday on his long runs

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when they're running like 405 paste.

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This is smart from Zach PERSON.

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No, shit.

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Train in the grid zone, Zach PERSON.

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No, he's been murdering me.

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He wasn't keen for a two-hour tempo.

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Well, he reckons he wouldn't have been good for two hours that morning, based on how he felt. So anyway, that was my week. That was 130K with two gym sessions, two decent running sessions. So just need to keep it there for a few weeks.

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Zach also ran Canberra marathon a couple weeks ago, didn't he?

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Yeah, he did. He wasn't doing two hours.

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He was only doing like 90 minutes. He's just letting his hair down post-marathon.

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Yeah, that's all.

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I like this. He was the one in the docker. Yeah, he was, yeah.

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I still think it's worth a public name and shame, though.

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Yeah, yeah, I agree.

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I'd do the same of Argy, I reckon, over the years.

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I'm not sure two weeks after the marathon, you coach him, right?

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Three weeks after the marathon, isn't it?

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Three weeks you take him out for two hours and beat the absolute shit out of him.

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No, he was going to do 90 minutes. He smacked him up for two hours last week, though shit out of him. No, he was going to do 90 minutes.

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He smacked him up for two hours last week, though, didn't you?

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No, he did 80 minutes.

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That was Jack PERSON.

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Jack PERSON, Jack, yeah.

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So, no, Zach did 80 minutes last week.

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He was going to do 90, but we wouldn't have run this fast if he was there.

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Zach PERSON just could be a very smart man.

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Good work, though.

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That's a good week.

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You hear his big announcement last week, Moose PERSON,

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Gold Coast Pacing Job into Melbourne Marathon EVENT.

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Mate, some absolute carry on here.

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You've got Brad Croker PERSON making announcements on his races, like a press conference. Well, it doesn't seem like you've got any races coming up. No, but I'm not going to announce them like you are, like everyone hold your breath.

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You did.

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You did a while back.

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You're like, oh, boys, after a sucker, I've realized I'm going to race more. I'm going to do Great Ocean Road FAC. I'm going to get up to Ballarat GPE and help the boys. I'm going to just race a lot. I would love to race a lot.

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That's not an announcement.

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It's you like drum roll, please.

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I want to know where your body's at.

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This is literally the first time we've spoken since you left for Paris GPE. So I don't even know what's going on with you. Yeah.

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I actually got a scan on my knee.

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So that left knee didn't get any better

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after taking a decent amount of time off. Like I maybe took a week off and just tested it once during it and it was no good. So I ended up getting a scan after I got back from Paris GPE. I ran 5K when I was away just on the run that Nike ORG had set up while I was there.

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Scavenger Hunt?

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No, no scavenger hunts, mate. I was out there with big dogs of the running world. So I was, I was, I ran with a bloke from the

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city as mag podcast, actually. All right. You'd probably listen to that, do you?

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Well, I know, what's, oh, who's Chris Chavez PERSON?

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No, wasn't him.

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He's the one I know. Also, what's his name? The 1500 meter runner?

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Merva.

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Yeah, he does a bit there as well.

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No, wasn't him, either.

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All right.

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So, C, C grade, Sidious Mag ORG.

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Is it something with Air Moose PRODUCT?

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What's his name?

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Is it Malley PERSON or something like that?

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No.

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Oh, you don't actually know his name.

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No, he said he's from Sidious Mag ORG, though.

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C grade.

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Is this the one that Kip Chagy PERSON didn't rock up for?

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Yeah, fucker.

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So we had a few heads up that he might have been planning to come for a run,

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like maybe give back to the company that pays him millions.

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But, nah, got out on course 6am, apparently ran the marathon course or a fair bit of it. He wanted to see where the hills are at. At 6 a.m m TIME no one's even awake in paris made it's bloody sleepiest city i ever met nothing it goes on i went out for a walk one morning didn't see a soul like no one runs there in the mornings it's not a very good runningcity to be honest like maybe they can put a good marathon on but it's not like i couldn't find

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anywhere good to jog anyway there's a park like three or 4K out of town, isn't there?

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Oh, maybe.

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I think so, yeah. Maybe, yeah.

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It takes a bit to get there, though.

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It sort of, it gives you, like, it makes Melbourne look bloody good as a running city, though.

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Like, that's what I reckon. Being able to access places like the tan and Prince's Park FAC just so close and dirt tracks, that's big time. And even Studleyley Park being just a couple K QUANTITY out of the city very good but yeah my knee's no good so it feels it felt very similar to my right knee when it played up and I got a scan I got tons of findings from it probably the main the main thing that I think links up with my symptoms the most is advanced chondro-malacia Patala, which is like cartilage issues just under the kneecap,which is exactly where I'm feeling the pain. And so I also had, like, what do you call it, edema, a bit of bone edema as well. So that's just a sign that the bones are rubbing together, not enough cartilage to prevent the bones hitting each other. So, like, that's a time thing. I can rehab that a little in terms of rest and then I can also strengthen quads and glutes. And I've actually been really good on my right kneesince I had to flare up probably 18 months ago, 80 months.

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Nearly two years ago now.

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Yeah, it's the opposite knee. That's why I got the scan on it to make sure, like, there's no surgical intervention I can go down that road. And I think if it continues to play up, I'll consult a surgeon to see if there's anything they can do with the cartilage under there. But so far, so good. Like, I've done a few runs back this week. I've run, did some two-minute repeats one night.Then I did some three-minute repeats. Today I ran five by five minutes and I'm not feeling the knee at all. I'm horrendously unfit, which I don't care about at all. It's just shocking to me how how hard running is. Even in five minute intervals and I take a minute break at the end of the five minutes I am genuinely thankful that interval is up like that's the type of fitness I'm at and and my heart rate's not that high it's just I have absolutely no endurance whatsoever and I'm starting to get I get to the end of the five minutes I'm like oh thank God like I feel like feel like I need a rest now. So it's a long way back for me, but I feel like I've got the passion there to doit, certainly not all over, but it's just going to be a long way. It's going to be a long way back. And I'm watching the marathon on the weekend thinking, this is so far out of my ballpark for where I am right now. It's hard to fathom that I'd ever be back. I know I will be. I think like that all the time. It's just going to be a very long road back.

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Moose PERSON, the knee stuff, do you put it down to, like, footy? Like, I know a lot of, like, guys that used to play footy that have a lot more knee issues than, say, like, myself, who, like, I'm a bit older than you, but I've never played, never played footy.

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I played soccer until I was like 12, but, you know, it doesn't really count.

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And my knees are like 100%. I think so.

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And also, I've noticed surfing lately how much flexion and extension I go into on the board

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because it's really limiting

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my knees

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and I'm thinking

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oh gee I used to be able to do

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all sorts of things on this board

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and really crank and talk the knee joint but now I can't do that and I wonder if it was a lot of surfing when I was younger too I don't really knowI didn't play footy for that long like I started when I was younger too. I don't really know. I didn't play footy for that long. Like I started when I was maybe 13 and finished when I was maybe 22. So it wasn't like I was doing tons of footy. Yeah.

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And does it mean like in terms of like the outlook, like it's unlikely that you could run, like, big mileage again? Is it the mileage that flares it up more than the intensity? I think it's the lack, it's me just getting super lazy in the gym.

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Like, I just don't, like, I like, I like the gym, but it goes out the window as soon as I start running, like, twice a day, I start to neglect the gym. And it was almost, oh, it was almost like clockwork. The first time my knee went, I'd stop gym for maybe six weeks. And then this time, I hadn't done much gym for six weeks. And all of a sudden, the knee pain began again.And I look, sometimes I can just look down and go, your VMOs disappeared again. And as soon as I start seeing the quads waste away then I know I've got to get back to the the exercises that I do and and I'll I just got to be diligent give up a second give up those double runs for gym

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sessions and I'll be able to run faster. So no,

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yeah, just keep tracking.

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Just keep reading your signs from your body.

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Yeah, I'll build back and I'll build back with slow jogging and then I'll also, I've just got this desire to run. Like when running's taken away, you start to think, I don't, like the sessions are fun and all but i what i really miss is just going for a jog through the bush here for 30 to minutes to an hour TIME and just exercising

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100% moose i don't i know exactly what you mean yeah sort of made the last few years it's like

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racing i could like take it or leave it you know i don't get super up and about but like

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just being able to get out the door and and run through mulligans every day like you know finishing that run that that's what makes me happy not so much the the racing or the race results yeah yeah and it's the

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it's the first thing to the noticeable thing to go is is sanity. Like you're just, you're losing that time of day that you've always sort of carved out for yourself. Once that goes. And I mean, there's side benefits. Like, Breeze gets to run more now. Like, she's the priority.I spend more time with Pia PERSON. And that's great. Like, I honestly love that. And we get a bit more of a connection considering like we're spending more time together but you still need your own timelike you still need to go for your job or your surf or I found I was just walking the dog and that just doesn't quite do it for me it's probably like the last resort but yeah not quite what you're after.

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Piers scream time going up a bit the last couple weeks.

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She gets the alert.

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Are you getting an alert on your phone on a Sunday? See how much you can send you up all down? Is that up your voice?

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No. That's good from you. Yeah.

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I know you're a big fan of child watching screens.

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Oh, best invention ever. Don't kids love them, boys.

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Like, imagine having screens when you were that age.

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You'd be so much more advanced in the world than you were, like, than you were, like, having to read books. You can basically get the same education from one blippy than you can from reading 10 PRODUCT books.

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Blippy.

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Anyway, let's thank you some patron supporters.

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We're 60 minutes in. We've got to get rolling on the second half of the show. Who are you thanking, Crokes PERSON?

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I got Frankie Morgan PERSON. So Frankie was living in Sydney GPE, but I think she's recently relocated to North Queensland GPE, so maybe up somewhere around Rockhampton GPE. Has a best park run time of 2416 from the Ponds Park Run EVENT, ran 50 flat at the 2022 Sydney 10, 149 at the 2019 Central Coast Half Marathon EVENT,and 422 at last year's Chicago Marathon EVENT. So thanks for your support, Frankie, and I hope to move to Queensland GPE's gone smoothly.

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Thanks, Frankie PERSON. Who you got, Moose PERSON?

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I've got my old mate, Mike Spray PERSON.

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So Mike is a bit of a legend, actually. He runs the running company in Launceston GPE. They were the second store. Or maybe they were the, actually, since 2011. Huh. Might be the, he was in the top three, I reckon reckon of stores that I've been, like in terms of age.So he's one of the youngest, but he's definitely not the youngest owner. He's actually the oldest by a fair bit old Mike. But he's set up real well down there. He's got a wife who's rich as owns a ton of properties. And she's younger than him, way more attractive than him. He's doing something right, Mike.

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He's done well.

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Yeah, he's done real well. He's very fun. I like it at conference. He always enjoys himself at conference, so it takes the edge off a little bit. He has got some PBs, though, so let's run through these. He's run 23.03 at Lonnie Park Run, 4826 at the 2013 run the bridge, 152 at the 2013Cabri Half, and yes, he ran Big Sur Marathon, 507 there. That's like at the Great Ocean Road type marathon, but over in California. there that's like at the Great Ocean Road type marathon EVENT but over in California and he may have run a Chicago marathon in 2006 running 412 but I reckon if you go back he might have playedhe might have played like field hockey perhaps for England GPE at one point

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he was very high level hockey player

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and big dog in the corporate world not so much now now he works He was very high-level hockey player and big dog in the corporate world. Not so much now. Now he works just in the running store, and I'm not sure he works too often either. Don't know. I'll have to confirm a few of these things when I see him next.

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Mike's been thrown out of the bus there a couple of times, I think Crokes PERSON.

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He'll agree with everything, I reckon. I'm going to thank Colin McCluskey PERSON from Scotland

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not a lot on his Strava PRODUCT since October

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so Colin PERSON I hope you haven't got an injury at the moment

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maybe just gone dark on the Strava has a 5K PBF 1709 from the Edinburgh GPE park run he's also ran 3609 at the 2020 blast running 10k and 8140 at the 2022 Scottish Half Marathon and has a marathon PB of 255 from last year's Edinburgh Marathon EVENT. So a massive thank you, Colin, for your support of this Australian NORP podcast all the way overthere in Scotland GPE. Mike and Frankie PERSON appreciate your support as well. If you like what we're doing and Frankie PERSON, appreciate your support as well. If you like what we're doing the show, you can support us. Patreon.com forward slash inside running podcast.I think our next row two series kicks off next week. It's got to be close. Moose PERSON, have you got an announcement about who your guest is?

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Who's the person you've drawn out and recruited?

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Is that confirmed? Yes.

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So, yeah, it's confirmed.

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She's in.

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Carla Trawick. So I reckon, it's confirmed. She's in. Carla Traweak PERSON.

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So I reckon we've shouted her out maybe on the podcast before.

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She was a patron.

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Her husband will's a patron.

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He's the one with a gambling addiction, isn't it?

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Is that him?

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He has like spreadsheets of every bed he's ever put on.

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Could be.

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Is that him or not?

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No, that is him. It is him. Yeah. And so Carla PERSON, she's like put on? Could be. Is that here or not? No, that is him.

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It is him. Yeah, that's him.

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And so Carla PERSON, she's like a high flyer from the corporate world. I guess she's an accountant, partner in one of the big firms down in Ballarat GPE. So that would be good listening to hear what a life's like as a partner in an accounting firm.

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Well, relatability actually has a job and has a challenge of fitting and training around it.

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Yeah, yeah, she does. She ran Ballarat Marathon, a Ballarat half. I think she ran, oh, I'm going to say like 81 minutes, perhaps 82, you know, when Strava PRODUCT cuts a bit off. Like it rounds it up or down. Pretty good, though, pretty good. She'll be running the marathon there.She ran her first marathon at Sydney where it was a tough day for for everybody um so a tough day to run your first marathon so she's looking for a bit of marathon redemption reckon that the boys'll ask her her pb once she gets on there she got a time in mind moose oh i reckon the times to go under three and and she got quite fit last time for Sydney GPE, and it was a doable thing, but we got slammed with that weather.So faster at Gold Coast LOC, big three-hour pace pack, it should be looking good. She's pretty fit, and she's about to go into monk mode, she reckons.So she told me that as she was at the pub yesterday. She goes, after this afternoon, when I get Ratch get ratchet drunk i'm going to go into monk phone one 2135 yesterday moose on her strava what is it

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121 35 bloody that's good hey i like this you know brady got a half marathoner got reese and then

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a female marathoner as well i love this then a female marathloner as well.

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I love this in her description of yesterday's race as well.

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Started a bit fast for my current fitness.

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Brackets, not like me.

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Does she like banking time early moot?

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Yeah, she comes from...

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She's a bit of a fast-twitch type athlete.

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So transitioning her to the marathon's been a long process, actually. But she can move quick. And she likes to do that in the first 30 seconds of a race, sometimes the first five minutes of a race. But we'll get that out of her. Who we got, Reese PERSON, also dumb.Probably not going to help out in that regard. Maybe Hopper PERSON can help.

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Hopper PERSON's a man that does triple runs when they're not scheduled on the program.

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This ain't looking good.

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She has a dog called Pepper PRODUCT.

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Oh, yeah?

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Staffy.

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Her staffy?

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That's a staffy.

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Yeah, she's really rich too, Carla PERSON.

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Like, she's got this new house that they're renovating fully, putting a second story or

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something on. Okay.

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Yeah, it's nice in Ballarat GPE when you're the partner of an accounting firm.

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Reese, Sam Hopper and Carla Chalek PERSON, is that it?

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I said that correctly.

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Treweck ORG?

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Treweak ORG.

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It's a funny name, isn't it?

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You coach her as well, don't you?

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You write a program, yeah.

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So that's going to be

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fascinating we are it might sound like moose has just pulled a random name out of the hat here but a lot

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of time and effort goes into finding the correct people to put these panels together and we're very very confident we've got this correct and i'd like to think in the past we've got them pretty well from random names that you may not have ever heard of and then all of a sudden you know who rob wilson is and jimmy friend and know who Rob Wilson is and Jimmy Friend PERSON and who else, Patty Stowe PERSON and names like that. So, yeah, keep in all that, Patreon ORG supporters.As of next week, I think it'll be their first week. Nine weeks leading in, one week afterwards, 10 week series. Patreon supporters will also get the show early on a Monday night.

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Running news. Do you want me there? Who's blue? That's you, Moose PERSON. Read the results here.

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I can do Ballarat GPE, mate. I was there. Didn't see everything. Saw the marathon. Tom DeCano went through 6540, I reckon it was. About that um 6530 CARDINAL maybe but he didn't finish that off he ran 2704 so got a bit lonely out there for Tommy he can get some gut trouble you were second 21940 but look tom took home six grand right yeah we got the big novelty checks six grand

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and he won two and a half at that 5k the week before yeah no it's just six grand, right? Yeah, we've got the big novelty checks. Six grand.

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And he won two and a half at that 5K the week before.

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Yeah, no.

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You know what?

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Good week.

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Makes his coach Gary Howard PERSON fly down on his own, off his own back.

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I reckon he's got to fix him up there.

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I told him that the other day.

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So Calam Drake was third, 222.49 CARDINAL.

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So he's come through. Gee, I had Nathan Stokepeg for third. I was telling people he finished third. I didn't think he'd fallen back through the field like that.

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He was fifth in the end, yeah.

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Right.

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In the ladies. He both got him in the home straight, I think, like pretty close to the end.

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Gee, rough. Alan McCartney, she won the race two hours 40, 55 TIME. Solid time down there. Jess Willis was second in 248-38 CARDINAL. Oh, close finish here. Kelly Angel was third, 248, 47.Or nine seconds finishing second and third. You'd be seeing them like only a few steps up in front of you on that hill.

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Not the time you really want to be sprinting,

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although you look pretty good sprinting up that hill. Half Reese Edwards, he ran 6527. So he actually only, he only beat Archie Reed by 14 seconds in the end. It was pretty close there. They were running together as a pack with Tom PERSON. And actually Tom PERSON looked easily the most comfortable.It was pretty impressive stuff. Kieran Perkins, he's come down from Queensland GPE. He's come third running off on a massive pack that they had in that third place pack. He ran 6638. So they really kicked it down at the end. Tara Palm PERSON,she won the women, 72-48. She is beaten Gemma PERSON. Both of those ladies backing up from Osaka GPE. She's run 75-08 and Ella Higgins PERSON,7551 CARDINAL. There was 10Ks too, boys. Jacob Cox, 2952. Tim Broxop, 32, 39. Josh Hawkes, 33, 35. Women, Melissa Duncan, 3416.Elizabeth Winter, 3504, and Michelle Edwards, 3650. Now, the 5K and the mile mile they were on on Saturday night. They're pretty cool little closed course for this one. Pretty hilly. Dale Carroll won the men's 1436 beat Craig Huffer PERSON. Gee, still kicking around Craig Huffer PERSON.

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I didn't realize he's back in the country.

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I thought it's still ever in the US GPE.

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He was back for a while, right? Yeah, and then I thought he went back over. Oh, I don't realize he's back in the country. I thought he was still ever in the US GPE. He was back for a while, right?

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Yeah, and then I thought he went back over.

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Oh, I don't know, yeah.

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I thought at one point he was training with the very nice track club, yeah.

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Ah, perhaps, yeah.

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I know the outcome.

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Ewan PERSON?

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Ian PERSON, Ian?

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Come on, boys, help me out here. Not the guy to ask about names. Ewan? Ian PERSON? Ian? Come on, boys.

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Help me out here.

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Not the guy to ask about names.

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Ewan PERSON?

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E-O-I-N.

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It's Irish NORP, isn't it?

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Is it Irish NORP?

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That's not a name.

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Well, it clearly is.

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It's this guy's name.

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I reckon that's just a spelling mistake off the results.

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I think croaks a stitch trap here.

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Ian PERSON, Ian Smith PERSON, 1458.

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There's smite there,

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actually, Moose PERSON. Smyth PERSON's got an E on the end, surely. Smyth PERSON, you've messed that up. Zoe Buckman PERSON,big night for her. She got heaps of cash. She won the mile TIME and the 5K. She won the 5K in 1621. Olga Fosovo was second 1634, Isabel Hume 1658. And in the mile, kind of exciting running this mile, really.The men's was more exciting, it was much closer. Paul Robinson won in 412. The finish was like a 400 meters QUANTITY uphill full gas. And we're talking a pretty good uphill. And these guys were lactic as like swimming in lactic the last 200 meters. It flattened out a bit towards the end,but there was not a lot of ground clearance with their legs. Will Lewis 2nd, 413, and Avanda Scott 415, Jolongfeller GPE. Zoe Buckman PERSON, she won the women's, of course. I said that, 449. Big gap.Olga Vosova again second in 459, and Anna Kasapis, five minutes. So that's Ballarat GPE.

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Put it on your radar and enter next year.

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I'm sure they'll have early birds.

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They do that, and that's the way you've got to do it these days. You've got to get in early.

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Destination race. Kifu Half EVENT happened as well. We had Brett Robinson over there and Jen Gregson PERSON. Brett was 11th in 6342 CARDINAL. The race was won in 61.26 from Hillary Kipkowich PERSON, and Jen was fourth in 71.39, and that was won by Stalach sang in 67.59 CARDINAL. So not the fast,or didn't Chenade run like a 68 minute there last year? I was about to say not the fastest course,

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but Chenades ORG ran quick there. Yeah, I think it was pretty hot.

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I think it was like, yeah, well into the 20s, 20 degrees. Okay.

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Just getting warm, I guess, for a half.

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Yep. So two of the big dog Australian NORP names there in action. Hamburg also happened. The story here for Australia was that Andy Buchanan PERSON, he went out trying to run that 20810 CARDINAL pace, went through halfway in 63.49 CARDINAL, so it was on track. He did fade a bit towards the end,but still managed to run a massive PB, I think like 92nd PB, where he ran 208-58, and it moves him to the seventh fastest time of all time over the marathon. So good PB from Andy PERSON, but we'll just miss the qualifying time. I'm not sure if he slides into that rankings croaks, but Liam PERSON would still be ahead of him anyway.

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Yeah, I think Liam PERSON...

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The road to Paris GPE?

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Yeah, so they take the average of your best two marathons in the period, and where Liam's at an advantage is he ran 208 39 CARDINAL at the gold coast which gives him good like points from a performance point of view because it was the oceana champs and he won that he got a bonus 70 points which is which is huge um you know like i don't know

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what 70 points a 204 equivalent i got told today exactly. So it makes it really hard then for Andy PERSON.

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Because Andy's two best are the Hamburg run.

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It's 210 last year and this year's too high.

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Yeah, so I'd say that Liam's still ahead of Andy PERSON on those ranking points.

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Yeah, I'm just trying to load it now. A big PB though from Andy Moose PERSON. You would have been happy to see this come across. It's progressed well on the marathon.

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It's, I still feel like he is one of the up-and-comers,

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but he's been established for a while now. So it's real, like I never give him, in making predictions, I never give him the credit he deserves. And even with this one i did not think that he would run this fast i'm like he's coming back from a hip it's still andy from bendigo uh i just don't think he can run anywhere near what what he wants to or what other people were sayingthat he was going to go for and he's come out and fully proved me wrong. And he's put himself up there now on a massive pedestal, I guess, of like stepping away from the reputation that he may have had as like an AV cross-country champion, but not so much someone who's running sub-210 marathons. And maybe it is because he supports the local scene so much that he gets a little bit undervalued and even by me.But yeah.

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Boy next door kind of vibes.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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Just your local runner. I'm with you, Moose PERSON. Like I didn't think he would run this fast, particularly not when I saw his first two, five K splits. It was literally three minute K. So it's like, what's that, 206, 40 pace.

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He was just hanging on the back of a group, though. I saw some video today.

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But still, like, yeah, like, it's not with the pace.

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But you still have to, you still have to run that. And I thought to myself, he's on, like, he's well under the Australian NORP record pace at the moment. And I thought, oh, this is real brave. And to his credit, like, yeah, he's on like he's well under the Australian NORP record pace at the moment and I thought oh this is

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real brave and to his credit like yeah he faded a little bit in the last 10k but there was no real massive blowups I think he's 5k split from 35 to 40k was maybe 1540 um which is still very very respectable given how quick he went out so um, yeah, he's definitely, you know, probably won't make, yeah, like the Olympics this year, but give him another four years, and I reckon he stays in one piece,he'll be probably on the next Olympic EVENT team. Ryan, Greg PERSON.

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Oh, sorry, you go, miss.

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You know what can happen is, oh, sorry, you go, mostly. You know, you know what, what can happen is like,

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Liam Adams gets that spot in the top 80,

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or the rankings,

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on rankings.

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That just, that spot opens up for Australia GPE. They can pick whoever they like for that spot, I believe.

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I was wondering this.

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But does Andy still have to be in the 80 to be considered? No, no, I don't think so.

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I think he only has to have run 2.11.30 CARDINAL.

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I believe so, yeah.

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But there's no way, though, that they can pick Andy over Liam PERSON,

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given Liam's actually run faster than Andy in the period at the Gold Coast LOC.

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I know.

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I don't think they should either.

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But I'm just saying I believe that can happen because it's the way that the US GPE trials thing happens.

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You know, they're open spots up.

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The craziest thing is that one athlete out there who does all the work to run that time,

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they still have to run the trials to get into the team,

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even though they're the ones that have unlocked the spot for the country,

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and then someone else can just go in and claim it.

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Yeah.

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There's also, you know, unfortunately, marathons one of those events

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where injuries happen in the lead-up.

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And so both for the men's and the women's Aussie teams, it's like, yeah, the selectors will probably pick the top three fastest,

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but one of those three might get injured, which means that then the next person is in line,

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which, you know, it would be the same sort of thing.

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If Brett, Pat or Liam PERSON gets injured, then Andy's sort of next in line, which, you know, it'd be the same sort of thing. If Brett, Pat or Liam gets injured,

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then Andy PERSON's sort of next in line. So because they've got,

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so Liam PERSON's in with the ranking points, but it's still, if they've got the time, that still unlocks a spot for Australia, Moose PERSON. Oh, look. So can you, now I'm second guessing,

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I'm guessing myself a little bit here.

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The point I'm trying to make, could Andy take Liam's spot and or Brett and Pat PERSON's, or is it just Liam PERSON's because he's with ranking points?

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If one of them was to get injured, hypothetically.

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Yeah, I believe, oh, yeah, don't quote me on that one, actually.

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You've, yeah, I've got in over my head.

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Liam's 73rd of 80 qualification closes this sunday so he'd be starting to get pretty

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confident i reckon i'm not sure this has been updated though because like andy's still oh okay yeah they're down to like 93rd here and i thought andy would have been in in like

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yeah like andy should be in the rankings here somewhere,

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given what he ran last night, combined with his 210 from last year,

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but he's not there. So it might be a few days for this to update.

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Refresh that midweek. Ryan Gregson PERSON was in action. He ran at 2.18 53 after a 6617 first half marathon. So I guess a bit of disappointment there for Ryan and Ali Moose PERSON. She was 11th in 229-58 CARDINAL, which was the same position. Andy was actually 11th.She went through half in 7254. I know there was a whole lot of listeners tracking her. I was not. I was relying on Crokes PERSON' updates, but what can you tell us as a coach?

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Oh, disappointing day for Allie PERSON. She just didn't have it. She didn't have it. Like, she felt tired early. She went out off from the start and ran just maybe a K or so with the pacer that was going through in 223.30 CARDINAL pace and it felt too fast for her. So she made the decision to drop back and she ran with the next group which were running like 326 to 3.30 pace and that group had I think they were going for the olympic NORP qualifier which is226 something and that had natasha wodak in it the canadian girl and i think alie was comfortable staying at that pace but it just got she just said she just started feeling like it just got too hard she just dropped off the group, couldn't keep up. And then she managed to finish, obviously, and she still run under 230. I know that's nothing she's happy with, but look, we're in a different age now where you're looking at a 229 from a female runner. Like when she ran under 230 for the first time or when she ran 231, I think she wasstill in like the top 15 all time or something. And so it's the game's just changed. And she was upset anyway. She's disappointed. She needs a little bit of a refresh. She needs to move bit of a refresh.She needs to move on from this Olympic EVENT qualifying campaign, I reckon. And maybe we just start fresh with some new goals, different approach. I'll sit down with her when she gets back and we'll work out maybe what we did wrong. Because I don't really know, I don't really, like, I don't really, really know. I don't think you'll ever really know what you did wrong. Like, you're only just guessing, but at least if we put our heads together and I can hear her thoughts on what she would like to do different next time. And then we can come up with a plan for the future. I know not the outcome you guys were hoping for,

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but it would be a bit of relief as well for her that's probably all over. Like, it's probably something she's thought about every day for the last year and a half. And then it's like it's done there.

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It's out of your head. I think she did feel a little bit like that, like little weights lifted off her shoulders. She doesn't have to think about it every time she wakes up. It doesn't have to, I mean, she said that it maybe didn't stress her that much, but I can imagine that every conversation that's happening in running nowis about the women's marathon team. And she was on the last one. She was in the Olympics EVENT last. She's essentially lost her spot. Not that no one's ever promised the spot, but that was her spot that she sort of dropped out of. And I, she, yeah,

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with that Valencia race, she got injured for, she got injured back in, I'm going to say November,

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November or October.

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And ever since then, it's felt like that there's always been a slight press or a slight rush to get fit.

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And it's always, it's just been about this thing the whole time.

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And I reckon, yeah, we just got to take away that a little.

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And, yeah, I don't know. We just got to take away those sort of massive over-bearing-type goals, just get back to running and having fun with it again. Yeah, I agree, Moose PERSON.

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Because you look at early last year where she came out, you know, not long after giving birth and qualified for World Cross EVENT when probably wasn't expected to in a way and then progressed

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her fitness, you know, a lot between the trial and then World Cross EVENT and had an amazing run

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there. But it's like there was absolutely no pressure on her at that time in her running and really no expectation and she ran

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like super well as a result yeah i know that i just keep thinking back to to that and going wow how how good was that run and and like even some of her sessions have gone really well like really she really fit but it just hasn't come come together and i think that part of it could be part of it could be what's going on upstairs and how we're framing everything, maybe just a little bit, placing too much importance on the, the times that we have to run rather than just making sure the race goes well.

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It'd be nothing like being on the other side of the world as well. There's only one place you'd want to be. They'd be at home with her husband and baby. I've done that long home, that long flight home solo and I could definitely have empathy for what you'd be doing now. It feels like forever to get home.

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I think they're a little, I think they're a little dusty this morning, at 26 hour TIME flight home. I know what it feels like and it doesn't feel good.

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A lot of self-pity.

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It's a long way.

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Back in the economy too. Oh yeah.

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If you've got to be doing, just get to work on the run strong business. You've got 20 hours of bookwork ahead of you.

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Let's move on to Adidas ORG had an event. It was the Adi Zero Road to Records in Germany GPE. I've seen this the last couple of years. The one record they got was World 800-meter silver medalist, Emmanuel Wagnone PERSON. He broke the Road World Record for the mile.He ran 354.5 CARDINAL. These records have only been relevant in the last couple of years because Hobbes Kessler PERSON from the US set it last year at the World Road Running Championships when he ran 356.1 CARDINAL. So some good PR. They all wear the same kits. They go around a bit of a circuit. I personally didn't tune in, but I know a lot of peoplethat did. So that was a big news coming out of that Adidas event. And then Crokes PERSON, the last bit of news I think we've maybe got here. bit more as well Shanghai Diamond League yeah so the Diamond League ORG was on

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Saturday night our time so I watched a little bit of it before I went to bed and then watched the rest Sunday morning before my long run unfortunately the women's 5k it wasn't a Diamond League ORG event so it wasn't actually televised I was just getting sort of the the live splits um the race was won by mackettys al-machetti's al-machetti uh in 1436 a al dagnatue PERSON was second in 1436 as well and let's and bet giday was third in 1437 so it's probably a little bit of an upset there that um giday didn't get the win because it was probably favorite going in.

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Can't win a race. She doesn't win races. I've been saying this for years.

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It was a massive kickdown as well. I don't think she got the greatest kick. Like I reckon they closed in like low, very low 60 seconds. But from an Aussie NORP point of view, Rose Davies ran 1447 to finish 11th in the race, but that's the third fastest time ever by an Aussie behind Jess Hull and Benita Willis PERSON. But more importantly, the Olympic qualification standard is 1452 CARDINAL. So now she's pretty much guaranteed running the 5K at the Olympics EVENT,doesn't need to rely on ranking points anymore. Other Aussies in action, Lauren Ryan PERSON, she ran 1458 to finish 13th. Izzy Bat Doyle ran 1506 to finish 16th, and Morty Skyring ran a PB 1512 to finish 17th. Impressive from Rose Boys ORG,but probably not unexpected given her brutal kick at Nationals a few weeks earlier.

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Yeah, so good to see. She can just relax now too. Yeah.

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She's got it.

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Yeah.

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And a quick little shout out to Scott Westcott, who had probably one of the best coaching weekends

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of anybody ever, he's put Andy Buchanan, I assume that he's still coached by Scott PERSON.

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Yeah, correct.

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Yep.

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Yeah, he's got him the seventh fastest all time,

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and then he's gone and got Rose Davies PERSON.

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What's she run, what's that all time? Third, third all time.

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So very, like, these guys,

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part of Melbourne track club, but have their own coaches. I think they do a bit of group stuff when they're together. But, geez, amazing sort of weekend for Scott Westcott PERSON.

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Yeah, very good. The men's 5K, Beraga, he got the win in 1255. It was a bit of a weird race. The pacing was set up for like 1245, which the commentators were sort of surprised that they wanted the pacing to be that quick this early on in the season. And they were on that pace, you know, sort of halfway through.And then once the paces pulled out, they really slowed it down. So, yeah, Bray got the win 1255. Binium Mahari, who's 17 years old, he got second in 1256, and Benson Kiplingat was third in 1258. Ozies NORP, I'd say probably a little bit disappointing again. Morgan McDonald, he ran 1318 to finish 7th,and Jack Rainer was 19th in 1319, and Matt Ramsden PERSON didn't start the race. So I'm not sure whether he got injured between the two diamond leagues or whether he was sick. But, you know, every time I see the 5 PRODUCTK at these sort of major meets now, I'm always expecting one of the Aussies to run a sub 1305 to book that automatic qualifier.Do you agree?

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Yeah, I've expected to see it and hit those two plus Kai Robinson PERSON.

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And you kind of expect Stewie and he nearly got it last week.

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But yeah, because you run out of opportunities, don't you?

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Well, they are running out of tight. Well, they got till the end of June.

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So, you know, eight weeks, eight weeks, I suppose.

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And there will be a lot, you know, there'll be a lot of races on between now and then because it is an Olympic year and they know that the stand, they've only got till the end of June. But I just

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would have thought that these guys would be getting closer to that 13.05 than where they are at the moment. Steeple, Beatrice, Chipcoich got the win again, 907. Karafin Ryan PERSON was the only Aussie in action. She finished 11th in 931, which was a slight improvement from the week before. And not a diamond league result, but Ollie Haw ran the mile over at Penn Relays FAC. He finished second behind Yarad Naguze running 351.28 CARDINAL. Now, you can qualify for the Olympics by running a mile time, but he missed that by 0.88 of a second TIME.So close but I have no doubt that Oli will get that Olympic standard in the next race or two.

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How far was he behind in the goose? Not much. Oh, they gave him a run for his money.

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They were on the line.

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Yeah, Yarrid was 351 low so like less than 0.28 of a second TIME.

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Yeah, so it was thereabouts.

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Yeah.

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Very good.

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Listen to question, crooks. Got a few.

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Yeah.

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Do you want to continue the trend

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from last week's one?

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Just that what should people do trend? What did you agree with me last week, Moose PERSON? Stewie for the 5K, more success than the 1500 opportunities at the Olympics EVENT?

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Yeah, look, I don't know. I'm kind of coming to Crokes PERSON on this one.

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Just because he's better at arguing.

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Yeah, I did listen to it and I thought, you know, I reckon he's got me here. A bit like Leanne, although she didn't say a name, but I was like, yeah, Crokes PERSON, you won me, you won me.

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It is a tough one. Like, Stewie PERSON at his best is going to be competitive, but I just think, you know, he finished 10th in the 5K to Diamond League, and it's very rare that he finishes that low in a 1500, and the 1500s are always pretty stacked at the Diamond Leagues ORG. No, I've already agreed with you, mate. You don't have to convince me.All right, well, we'll go to the top one then. Just chatting about Jack PERSON, is it time for Jack to go back to the marathon? Well, he's not gone off for this Olympic EVENT campaign.

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He hasn't got enough time. It has to be racing this weekend if he wanted to try and run 208-10 CARDINAL.

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Hasn't it like his body just broken down every time he's tried to go back to the marathon yeah but i spoke to him what after he ran that national record for the 10k

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and i i sort of addressed the marathon with him and and i also addressed the fact that he'd been

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running more mileage this time than

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he did like last year or the year before and he hasn't broken down and he reckons that he's

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been like looking after himself better and eating more. So maybe that's the reason why he was

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breaking down. Yeah. This is a tough one though. Like we're talking about a guy who's pretty

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close to break in 27 minutes for 10K which one one argument is like, well, why would you move up when you're still like pretty competitive

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in the 10K? But then you look at all of these guys like Brett, Pat Tannen, Andy PERSON, those guys are nowhere near Jack PERSON over 10K. And if he can put some like marathon strength behind what he's got over 10k then he's he's clearly got a got a really fast marathon in him he's a beast on the roads too

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very hard to beat in like a 10k half marathon road race especially domestically maybe money entices him back to the roads and marathon.

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What do you think of Moose PERSON?

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Well, he's had a, he's obviously committed to this track season DATE.

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And he's, I mean, he ran that very good 10 PRODUCTK and we probably thought, okay, well, maybe we got this wrong. Maybe he is the track guy. The road is where the careers are made, aren't they, in marathoning? Like, there's a lot more money, like you said. There's a lot more glory as well. Like, he can go around pretty much winning every marathon and road race in Australia GPE.He obviously won't do that, but he could, and he could probably pick up 50 grand along the way, just winning all the races. I think the glory is still in the marathon. There's still this sort of novelty that, not a novelty, but an aura around the marathon where it's what everyone looks at. It's what we're talking about. Like, how long did we spend talking about marathons tonight versus the Diamond League race?Like Rose Davies ran 1447 and we spent two minutes on it. But then we talk about Andy PERSON's marathon. We talk about your marathon. And we just talk about marathons. Like it's just the, it's kind of, we treat it like the pinnacle of our sport. I reckon there's like a romantic thing.And I reckon Jack PERSON would be into that. I feel like that's where people want to run like that's what I see anyway

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It's also relatable to the people who do sports as well

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like there's a bigger audience there and brands like that I'm sure they do especially with the like the running boom that's going on right now like it's probably more commercial

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yeah and he did show a lot of potential when he was running the marathon like the running boom that's going on right now. Like it's probably more commercial.

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Yeah.

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And he did show a lot of potential when he was running the marathon because I think at the time, like his debut was, he only just missed Jeff Hunt's PERSON debut record. And I remember in London, he wasn't that far behind Brett PERSON. And like Brett PERSON had obviously run a few marathons by that stage. And Jack was pretty new to it. And you look at how, you know, Brett PERSON's marathon careers progressed since then, and there's no reason Jack PERSON can't do that or even run fasterthan Brett, given what Jack PERSON's been able to do on the track.

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Yeah, we haven't seen, we haven't seen Jack Rainer PERSON in the marathon at his peak.

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That's for sure.

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No.

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Do you want to do the one about Chenade Proving Fitness ORG?

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Yeah, we know that one as well.

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Because I guess, yeah, the marathon team is going to be announced very soon, isn't it?

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So the question here is.

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We did this on Patreon a couple weeks ago, like, who you're picking?

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Give us your top three.

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And there were some people that wrote in saying like,

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just left Chenate PERSON off saying we just can't put her in because we just haven't seen a result

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from her for so long. Yeah, so question is, should Chenade PERSON have to prove fitness before

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AA announces the Olympic marathon team? And I guess for some context here is, I think Brady,

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you looked up her race results since she because when she

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qualified for the Olympics like it was pretty much in the first week of the qualification

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period opening so when was that December so started December 2020 it's December 8th that day

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yeah and so what does she run of note since then I think you looked it up it wasn't a lot was

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a spot a bit here she ran Sydney GPE marathon She also won, I'm going to say,

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Bernie 10K.

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These are all 2023 results.

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I'm just loading her profile up now as well.

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There's no official result from 2024

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on her profile. However, she did pace Nagoya Marathon EVENT.

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And then her other result in 2003 was Maragami 5th of Feb, which was 6929 CARDINAL.

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Okay, so that was just over a year ago. So she's ran a half a 10K and a marathon

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on her profile since she set the time at the end of December 2020 DATE.

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3248, 6929 and 231.27 CARDINAL.

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Of course, we're talking Sydney GPE, hot, weather, hilly. Times pretty much irrelevant, Moose PERSON, you were there.

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Yeah, yeah, that was, that wasn't a fitness show, that one.

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She won't an Australian NORP title, though.. She won't a straight to title there.

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She walked up. She has to prove fitness. Like, it'll be in the criteria. It'll also, like, it's probably, it's only just, it's only fair that she has to show fitness.

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And she ran her qualifying time so, so long ago that, like, there's so much can happen within that time that we need to see Shannade PERSON.

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We need to see something from her before the team's selected, I think.

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Or she gets selected and has to provide some sort of fitness check

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between the selection and the race early enough where if it doesn't,

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if everything's, say she has a bone stress injury or something that someone else can still prepare for it.

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I think the reason why I sort of agree with that moose is just when you look at how

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congested our like top five girls are, whereas like, you know, if you had Chenade PERSON is the, and it's very hard to leave the Australian NORP record holder out, especially if she is like, you know, in decent shape. But it would be different if you had her. And then our third runner was maybe had just, just coming underneath the Olympic EVENT standard.

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But when you consider you've got Jen at, like, 223 low,

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Lisa 223, 15. You've got Jess 223 high, Izzy Bat Doyle, 223, 15. You've got Jess 223 high, Izzy Bat Doyle, 223 mid. You're all of these girls that, you know, are more than capable. Yeah, it's not like we've got somebody,we've got two girls at 222, 223, and then one at 226. Like, so I think, yeah, she should have to prove some sort of fitness. Whether that's a race, whether it's something, like would they accept prove some sort of fitness. Whether that's a race, whether it's something, like,would they accept like some sort of training session to prove fitness?

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Well, what about the pacing job? What'd she pace to 23 group, wasn't it, Nagoya PERSON?

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7-1. Yeah, I mean, it could be. There's nothing that says that it couldn't be a proof of fitness. It's still her out there running. You know, it doesn't really need to be a race result, does it? She goes and does

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split quicker than what Jen ran for her half on the weekend. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's,

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that is proving fitness, really. I did say she put up one long run from a couple of weeks ago and

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it was quite hilly and quite fast. So that proves a bit of fitness i guess it was like four minute four minute ks for 30 plus k QUANTITY with i don't know

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300 meters of elevation i think it was yeah it's a solid flex when you see a strava upload

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from chnade GPE it's a solid yeah some solid numbers there see what happens this time we won't get the

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team until all the appeals

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have been heard though, will we? Like they won't say here's our three next week and then

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they'll go now we open up appeals or do they let the people know and then open it up to

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appeals before they make it public? I'm not sure. She put a run up yesterday actually. Yeah,

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she did, yeah. Yeah, 30K 403s.

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Maybe this is, maybe this is her campaign begun.

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Everyone's got a bit of a campaign going on out there.

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Yeah, so do you reckon those?

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Social media this week could be fun.

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You reckon, Moose PERSON.

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Just keep an eye out.

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Spoil out all the accounts.

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So obviously the girls that are in contention for the three spots,

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you got Chen, you got Lisa, you've got Izzy and you've got Jess PERSON.

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Now, the ABC ORG article?

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Athletics Australia shared it today.

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No, I didn't read it.

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But the two that miss out, do you think they will both appeal?

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Yes.

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Or the girls will just accept the selector's decision.

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I think they all appeal.

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Maybe not Al-Weese, because she's, her time's a bit off the other two.

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It would be hard to pick Al-A-Weese PERSON.

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What do you got to lose if you're appeal, if you're Izzy or Jess PERSON?

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Or if you're Jen or Lisa PERSON.

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How much of the cost?

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There's probably a cost involved.

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And a lot of the time the appeals,

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you have like representation, don't you?

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Like you have legal representation?

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Oh, okay.

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I don't know these kind of things. It used to be good if we can get a whisper next week, though. If anyone's listening who has some kind of like source on the inside, it could be a great whisper of the week. Who's appealing?

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There'd be a few where their case is already written, I reckon. Like prepared.

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Well, I actually should. We should just message, you know, and ask her whether the selectors have, you know, told her whether she needs to prove fitness or not.

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It would be in the criteria, though, wouldn't it, or not?

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I don't know.

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Yeah, we're really again.

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You still have a chat.

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There's still a chat about it.

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It's not open dialogue before the team selected, though, is it?

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Can she talk to the selectors beforehand and just say, like, hey, am I good or do you need something from me?

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Yeah, I don't know how it works.

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But, like, clearly she's running pretty well. Like, you know, you're not banging 4 minute K, 30K runs.

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Yeah, the fact that she hasn't shown fitness, hasn't raced, probably so she's confident. Because she could just went around for Ballarat GPE on the weekend and won the half in 68 minutes, 69. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Watch this space.

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It's going to be a very interesting Well it's going to be interesting Couple of months But you know From the marathon perspective Interesting next monthIt will be

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No whispers across my desk boys But have you too got any Or have you got a moose on the loose moose

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Oh yeah I got a couple Got a couple So I've just got a little list of them I'm going to run through all right And we don't We can get into it if we want.Australian runners that have American NORP accents. Oh, yeah, this is a good one.

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I reckon you've already said that before.

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I've said it before, but now it's getting to me even worse. Terrible stuff. Like, it's not that hard to keep your Australian NORP accent. Surely you're speaking to Australians through your time in the US GPE. Don't like it.Ned Brockman being the most famous runner that Australia GPE has right now. This comes from being on a trip with non-runners, and everyone just wants to talk about Ned Brockman PERSON. And then even within brands talking, oh, it does my...

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Was that Paris GPE trip moves? It was a bit there, but then it was that Paris trip moose

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it was a bit there but then it was also like met a brand the other day and all they wanted to talk about was how good ned brockman was and he was like such a famous runner and I'm like oh my god this is he does not represent runningin Australia

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run club

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pre-run speeches now yeah this is gold. If you want to have, if you want to cringe yourself to death, go and watch some of these run, these new run crews that have popped up and watch some of the people before the run give these big motivational chats to go run 3K around the block and then have four coffees.Oh, it's so gross. Like, it's, like, that's not what running easy and jogging is about. It's not some kind of fucking war chant. You're not going to battle to go on your jog around the block. And then-

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Rond to me like Park Footy Moose ORG, boys in the huddle, just giving it, you know, full rev-up. See, I like that.

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I can get around that, but not on my jog.

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Not going out for a jog at 5 a.m. in the morning.

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Like, if I'm running in and I need to hurt myself and hurt other people,

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I can take care of that.

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But, or even if I'm going to have a race, like rev me up a bit for a race. But we're jogging around the corner. And these flogs have done nothing. Like, they are, like, surely no one looks up to them. The only time pre-race stuff works or pre-pump-ups work is when you respect the person giving it.It doesn't work when something random does it.

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I've just got this other one, all the pitches, all the pitches.

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I don't know what that means. All the pitches.

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Be careful with that one. I've been about pitches at Falls Creek FAC before and got some backlash. Oh, I don't know what that means. All the pitches. Be careful with that one. I've been about pitches at Falls Creek before and got some backlash.

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Oh, I don't think it was that. I don't think it was that. I just don't know what that was. Maybe it was just like the, yeah, I don't know what that was. I've lost that one. It's not about that.

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You've come prepared. This isn't a note section on your phone.

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I thought you got carried away on that one. Yeah, I just wrote them down over the course of it. And then I got this other thing in here, Brady musling me. All right.

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Crokes, what's going up between now next week DATE for you?

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Back to work tomorrow, back on the chalk. And then I think we're, yeah, so a lot of the guys that I coach and girls are looking to maybe run Sydney GPE 10. So we're going to have a bit of a tune up on Friday afternoon. We're going to head out to the AIS track because it'd be pretty quiet on a Friday afternoon and just roll a 5 PRODUCTK around there. So I'm going to jump in and do a bit of pacing and hopefully, I know, run like 16 minutes for 5K.

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Oh, that's your fastest 5 PRODUCTK in a while. Yeah, it would be.

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Yep. Very good.

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Bruce, what are you got coming up between now and next week? Um, yeah, not a ton.

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Just doing my thing. I bought a new surfboard, so I'm going to go test that out tomorrow morning. Okay, purchase of the week.

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That and the renovations?

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Oh, the renovations.

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Foh, living in a building site.

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Hard. I should have moved out, really. Someone should have told me, you've got to move out. You're going to hate it here. And I really should have done that. Yeah.

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Got a book accommodation for Gold Coast LOC, though.

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You got Lula Lemon PERSON. They're putting us in those tents up on the top of the hotel?

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Change of leadership there. The person I communicate with, that was the plan, but then another person's gone into that role since I, since I've had the conversation with the other person. So I've got to check what's going on there, actually. Might do that tomorrow because it's going to come around quick. It's going to be a good live show.

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Are you book your flights?

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No, I haven't yet, but I should get on to that. Zach was talking about today, though, some of the live show details. So it's going to be big up there at the Gold Coast LOC. More information to come. But, yeah, looking forward to doing that again. Getting to see a lot of people and then a few beers afterwards.Should be good? You're going to race up there, Moose PERSON? Do you reckon you'll be right in nine weeks? Nine weeks?

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I might be able to jump into something definitely won't be fit for it but it's always nice to do something up there I think Bree PERSON wants to do the half so that's on a Saturday.

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You're taking power? Yeah, I reckon, yeah.

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Okay.

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What are your plans now, Brady, like a couple weeks down?

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A couple weeks down.

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Then start doing some case.

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Might run the half at Gold Coast LOC, I reckon. Be good to try and run a PB out there, 65 something, be nice. Yeah, a bit of A-V-E stuff. Get myself fit in the lead up to that. Very good. We're done.Keep your eye out for an interview on the weekend. Going back through the catalogue. How good was that video of Dixon that Zaka put on Instagram ORG? Yeah.

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That was a good video.

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I like that.

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I haven't listened to the Dixon PERSON interview since it was first recorded,

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but every time I think about the Dixon PERSON interview,

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it just brings a smile to my face thinking about when he's just calling himself, oh, Dixon PERSON, Dixon.

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So many good stories.

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People loving that over the weekend.

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All right, that episode's done, fellas.

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See you again next week.

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Thanks for listening and listeners.

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We'll do it all again for 340 next week.

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See you, boys.

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See ya. Could have stayed hung up

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Could have been knocked out But here I stand a man whose roots he understands And I'm gonna hold my head up back I was thought as a young man Doesn't matter if you're white or black Just show love to everyone you meet Doesn't matter if you're white or black. Just show love to everyone you meet.Doesn't matter if it don't come back. Undercover of my skin. I'll throw all your names. If it's all the same, I'll keep on walking. Undercover, of my skin. I'll feel on the cover of my skin I've heard all your names if it's all the sameI'll keep on walking I keep moving on to the hope that all the suffering was for something something something something when it's said love Something for something Something, something for something

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When it's said, love

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All your words and all you hate Don't mean nothing Don't mean, don't be nothing

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Don't mean nothing

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Why don't be

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Don't don't be nothing Don't be nothing Don't be nothing Don't be nothing Don't mean Don't need to sing I'll keep on the door On the doorOh my skin

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I'll put all your names

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If you're tall to sing

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I'll keep on walking On the door On the door On my skin I'll all your names I'm underdog My skin I'll put in all your names and it's all the sameI'll keep on walking