EPISODE 190 SPARTAN FAYETTEVILLE ULTRA RECAP!!

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What up?

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Okay. So let's unwind this package of a race we had. We were told.

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We had.

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Yeah. So we all made our predictions on the last episode and Brian overshot as normal he was on pace for the first half of the race killing it crushing it he did great job I was proud of my boy he come in what did you leave transition at like 235 or something like that

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232 233 something like that yeah yeah and then I think all three of us

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bonged on the second lap and so Brian missed his prediction time by hour and 16 minutes.

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17 minutes? Yeah.

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And I predicted 630. I was well underpaced for the first lap. I went out too hot to. I went three hours on the first lap and then like three fifty eight on the second lap so I was almost an hour longer on the second lap so I was six fifty six fifty seven six fifty eight something like that total time and Michael takes the day becauseprobably because he fucking sandbagged and went, what was it, eight hours, 59 minutes and 22 seconds. And he said he was going to do it in nine hours.

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Well, granted, though, I said nine hours sticking around.

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But I said I wanted to do it.

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And if it was a 31 mile race and what if I broke 8 between 8 and 1815 CARDINAL,

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I actually hit a 31-mile mark at 809.

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So I was on face for that.

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Right.

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But I got almost 34 miles too.

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Yeah, so I got 33.3. I filled the spear. So I had that one penalty loop. And so, I mean, we could all say we easily, if it would have been a 30.5 race, like they said it was going to be, we would have all been 20 to 30 minutes shorter.

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So, and that would have been right.

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Like that would have been, I would have been like happy with my fitness.

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Then I was kind of beating myself up a little bit because of this race.

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Because I just thought, man, I just died so much on the second lap, you know. I ran out of so much pace, but I guess like my first lap was so good. And thinking back to all the other races, you know, that I've done there usually I mean you either equal out do about the same both laps or you die and add almost an hour to your second lap so I really don't I mean I guess I mean because it's like you said if it would have been a 31 mile race or 30.5 I would have been right there at the sameamount of time I've done the race in previous years.

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Yeah, I think I was averaging 15, 16 mile QUANTITY per, uh, met miles there at the end. It's a little easier running. So, you know, you get off 45 minutes there and

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they had 8 15 yeah I wonder what my time was like right at 31 miles I'd be curious to find that out but yeah okay so we'll just go over Brian's race first since Michael is in Home Depot ORG, dicking around. And Brian's not going anywhere, but in a truck, probably 85 miles an hour.

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Go on, that's in Tennessee GPE.

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Right. One of these days, we're going to actually be able to record an episode where everybody's just sitting and paying attention.

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We're making it happen. We're making it.

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We're making magic.

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We're making magic.

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That's right.

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Some people work for damn little. Yeah, Brian's delivering tulips. No, sir. No tulips.

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No tulips on his dick. Who lives on these duts? What are you delivering, Brian?

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who lives on these duts. What are you delivering, Brian? Dude, if I looked at these flowers, I couldn't tell you one fucking plan on this truck besides ferns, and that's because I fucking hate them.

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You hate ferns?

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Yeah, because they wrap them in a saran wrap, and then the humidity in the trailer, and it ain't like I'm working with about an inch on each side of spare room.

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So they stick to the fucking trailer walls.

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It's a good leg workout when you pull them out of the middle row or pull them off the left row and they're fucking sliding slowly. They're just, it's like, it's like pulling, it's like a plate drag over and over and over. Right.

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I'll bet.

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That's not all. Yeah. Yeah. It's pain. Pays the bills.

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So Brian, we all come out hot. It was obvious. Right, I bet. That's not all. Yeah, that's pain. Pays the bills. So, Brian, we all come out hot. It was obvious. How did your first lap go and how did you feel, you know, starting the second lap?

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Well, I thought we went out pretty modest for what I thought I could do. When I looked down, we was doing, I mean, I had a 745 mile, but that's not anything that's, that I can't hold for 20. You know what I'm saying?

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Straight miles, even through the woods, depending on the terrain.

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Well, based on, I should say the quote unquote, the Fayetteville Woods, 745 should be holdable for a long time. So I thought we went out pretty moderate. You know, me and the Russian NORP dude, we kind of, we didn't break away from the pack, but me and him started pacing together and talking. It was like a rocky four moment. I didn't make that joke, but I probably should have because now the opportunity is gone.

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Not to mention if I'd have made that joke and he would have won the race, and I let the United States GPE down and that's not cool.

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But, yeah, man, I mean, we felt,

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I felt pretty good pacing that whole first lap. And when I look down, though, at the Barbar Fire Pit FAC, and I noticed my watch was already at 15 and a half or 16.

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I got a little, like, it got him to my head a little bit,

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because I'm already like, like okay I'm kind of burning

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but I also you know I backed off those last four miles of the first lap because I knew I was running too hot and I took out of you know it took off transition like about out of hell trying to let people know like hey okay I'm I've got it I'm gonna hold it man I didn't hold it I held it to about I don't know probably two of those miles were decently paced. And then after that, I started running hot. And I just backed it way down to, like, cruising at like 10-minute miles QUANTITY.And I held it to about 21 miles in. Then I ran about a mile with Brian, who was the first person to pass me, and then Rocky passed me. I held about half mile with him. And a Russian NORP guy passed me, Demir PERSON, I think his name was.

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Yeah.

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Man, I just couldn't get it going. Like that second lap. And I, like, I fueled, I didn't really eat a lot of breakfast. I think I only had that one pack of Pop-Tarts PRODUCT,which is about normal for me. But I fueled, man, as far as, like, the Goopaks PRODUCT. Oh, I had one or two before I started. Three or four of my first lap.I think I took one at transition, took four with me. So, I had one or two before I started, three or four of my first lap. I think I took one at transition, took four with me. So, I mean, dude, everything should have went right. I just don't think it did for whatever reason. Could have been, I ran too hot. Could have been one of them days. It's like, well, you thought you had it, but you don't.

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Well, you had said the night before at dinner, too, that you'd been up for, what, like 24 hours or something like that? Yeah, yeah. That could have factored into it, man. I know. at dinner too that you'd been up for what like 24 hours or something like that yeah yeah

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that could have factored into it man uh no i think obviously for everybody who don't my dad is my boss

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as we do for about 12 weeks straight and he's like man it ain't you it's just the work

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schedule i'm like first of all i didn't fucking say it was me. Second of all, no, I'm just kidding.

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But I try not to use that excuse because, like I said, if I, I mean,

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I did the same shit last year and I come out and won the damn race. It is a lot of it. But some days it does, you know, some days it does. That's just all there is to it.

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Right.

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I mean, you got to make excuses. I've read more miles in April than I've ran recently, like on my feet. You know, last April I was at like 110. This time I actually maintained up to like 150, which, you know, it's pretty good considering fucking that the hours worked or whatever. But that's just one of days. I think, I think around mile 21, it called up with me a mile 25.I was fucking talking, hanging out with people, setting my bucket down like a little bitch. Fucking, I was, uh, long out. You set your bucket down?

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I'm so ashamed.

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Dude, I set my, uh, wait a second. I set the bucket. I don't think I'm, I don't know if I set the bucket down. I did set the sandbag down, though. Man, I don't lie, dude. You just a second. I set the bucket. I don't think I'm... I don't know if I set the bucket down. I did set the sandbag down though.Man, I won't lie, dude.

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You just been hurt. Ryan, he passed me at a... Dude, I'm Scott at that second lap.

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Jonathan Ryan PERSON, I knew he's going to catch me eventually. He looked at me and it's like, come on, dude. He was trying to fire me up. He's seen me... I did, I had like four cups of water just over my head every time. And every creek we got to, that was like a foot deep i mean i'm face down laying in thecreek like for a solid 10 seconds TIME just to cool my body down i mean i don't know if i was just running that hot or if my body was like i said i may have been i think what's happening is i don't know if i feel like i'm in better shape than normal but i do feel like I'm in better shape than normal, but I do feel like I'm able to, I think my calorie expenditure is the word I'm looking for. I think I'm putting out more calories per hour because I'm running faster than what I used to.Yeah.

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And I'm used to 150 calories an hour, maybe 200. And I think I'm starting to burn so much that it's like, I got to figure out a way to make that fucking

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three to four hundred an hour if I want to keep running at that high pace for that long period of time

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it could be she's running too fucking fast

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I mean god I don't know who would say that you know

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how far ahead were you on second place coming into transition

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shit not far, dude.

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I came out of barbed wire.

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Quarter mile, maybe.

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Yeah, I mean, not about maybe three minutes, four minutes.

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Right.

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That's still a good piece.

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Dude, I'm, and I'm surprised because, dude, I took my time through that barbed wire

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because, you know, Sheila PERSON was telling me, like, hey, you got to feed up. You know, there, you know I took my time through that barbed wire because, you know, Sheila PERSON was telling me, like, hey, you got to feed up. You know, there are chainsawls in the barbed wire when I'm coming up the damn slip wall. And, you know, there's not a lot of space in between there. And I told her, I was like, I know, I was like, I'm pacing myself. I literally paced myself through the barbed wire, through the dunk wall, wasn't trying to do any extra energy.Just kept telling myself, get to transition and then race after that. Sadly, I think that time on feet in the past month, the six, seven hours TIME a week, I don't, I don't think that cuts it. Not when you're trying to race hard for six hours straight, you know.

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Yeah, so, you know, chainsaw, like, broke his timing chip on, like, the first obstacle or something, and he was, like, looking for it for a long time. And he passed me, like like probably almost at mile two later on it had to be in but he was in

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front of me yeah yeah because he was up front yeah he was in front of us and I seen him drop

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something and then go back like 10 feet but I didn't know he broke it or anything yeah it was his time and chip I think he said some people were or anything. Yeah, it was his timing chip. I think he said some people were trying to help him find it. It took him a minute. It must have took him a long time to find it because, I mean,he didn't pass me until it was well after Twister PRODUCT, well after Twister PRODUCT.

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Because Izzy failed Twister PRODUCT. Izzy failed Twister PRODUCT.

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And then both of them passed me about the same time. And then he was trying to, and Chainsaw PERSON was trying to catch back up. He did pretty good for falling behind that far too.

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Dude, I was about to say, damn, I figured, yeah, I didn't even know he stayed behind. I figured he just fell behind 30 seconds and we just never seen him, you know what I'm saying? Like, we just held the same face. Damn, I didn't know he's back here for a minute.

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Yeah, and it looked like he was, you know, looking at transition times. It looked like he was in transition for like 12 minutes DATE almost. Yeah, yeah.

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I think he kind of went into chill mode after that first lap. Right.

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So I know I called it too. You know, I was just messing with you and I said Jonathan Ryan PERSON was probably going to wax your ass and he totally did he did indeed

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and I caught up with him like at mile one because he stopped and tied his shoes or he

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had to stop the tie shoes but I tell you who ran that right that race perfectly and that

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was Rocky.

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Man, Rocky is such a beast.

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Yeah.

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So I finished Twister PRODUCT, and I'm already running past that water station, and Rocky's like comes right there beside me. And I said, Rocky, I thought you were already in front of me and he said no i started all i start off slow and just work and pace the whole race and by god that's exactly what he did um i assume he was probably running in the low nines and tens probably most of that race probably just consistent the whole freaking time.

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Absolutely.

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It worked.

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The people who do that, man, the patience that takes and to know it pays off, it's just insane. I mean, that is, I respect the hell of that because I do not have patience for that shit at all. I mean, it just, man,

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it's,

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dude, I did the same shit. Like, y'all took off and, you know, I'm running with y'all. And I'm like, you know what? I feel pretty good running this, you know, and about after the first mile,I knew I couldn't stay with you all after the first mile. So I backed off a little bit then. And but I totally, you know, looking back at all my times. And I mean, I definitely ran the first four miles of that race faster than I should have, you know.

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And do, I mean, is it possible that it screwed the whole rest of the race for me? I don't know. Maybe, probably. But, yeah, I just wonder if, you know, just sticking to your goal time, which my goal time would have been 630. If I would have just tried to maintain that pace for that, would it have caused me not to blow up?Work for Rocky. You know what I mean? Yeah.

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It just always depends on what your goals are.

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You always run the rate.

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The only problem with racing like that, which is there's not a problem with racing like that is if you go for the wind and you do do that it to me it seems harder to run a fast second lap if you even if you pace your first one correctly which i know is not true but it's almost i don't know it's hard because when you see people go out hot it's like okay last year i went out hot and nobody went with me, right? Right.

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But I just had just enough in the tank to hold off Jonathan Ryan by five minutes.

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So it's like that day going out hot paid off because if I had a pace with Jonathan Ryan come to the second lap, I may have not had that same energy level because I would, I would have been like, oh God, he's near me, you know, I don't know how I would have handled it. So it is, it's a ballsy strategy, but hell it seems to pay off when you do it, right.

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And it can all boil down to, you know, it doesn't matter what pace you go out at. The heat could still just, you know, freaking get to you, and it's just the bad day happens. Either way.

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Right.

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You know, you either just start off hot and do the best you can for the first half and hope that the second half goes you know not as fast as the first lap but you can at least hold on and have a competitive stride the rest of the race but that that wasn't the case for me and definitely you know not for you either, you know, and I was right there with Rocky. I was probably 25 or 30 yards back from Rocky when we come to the Irish NORP tables. And, you know, he got a, he bruised his rib and got a contusion on his rib or something.When he fell off the inverted wall in New Jersey GPE the weekend before I think he did 17 miles there and he didn't finish so he um he told me I think he told me he'd only run like one time that week you know and he said that his rib was still really sore man when he jumped up on the Irish table you know like I said I was about 30 yards back I heard him scream so loud when he jumped up on the irish table you know like i said i was about 30 yards back i heard him scream so loud when he jumped up on that irish table and i was thinking to myself

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damn man you got a long day right right oh god but man i'm happy for the dude because it's

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first sleep podium and you know he's taken he's taking some lumps you know

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I guess his first elite podium yeah damn I just assumed it was like his fifth for some

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reason I know like I said I just assumed well I think he's I think he's almost I think

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he's ran age group he may have run elite in Dallas ultra last year but he rolled it he rolled

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his ankle really bad then and had to

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just kind of go into survival mode to finish the race too oh okay but yeah man he's

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he's good he's real good I think once he gets another year underneath him he'll

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be like a thread at any race he shows up to just from getting more oh yeah I didn't

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hear seem to run that race pretty good, too, the guy who got second.

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Yeah.

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Because he, uh, when, you know, when Rocky passed me, I pace with Rocky for a minute,

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you know, and he was trying to motivate me, you know, getting me going.

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And like I said, I stayed with him for about a mile and his face was just a little too fast.

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And, uh, but he looked good when he passed me, you know, like, like strong stride.

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He looked like he was doing pretty good.

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And when I separated from him at that water station on that dirt road before armor.

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Right.

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And when I sat down my armor, DeMere ORG passed me like I was sitting still.

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And I was like, that's going to be a battle between second and third right there.

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Because I won't lie. Brian looked so good when he passed me. I was like, yeah, he's going to end up holding off. I think everybody else, you know, assuming he keeps doing what he's doing. But man, when DeMere ORG passed me, he had that look in his eyes and like, yeah, he's hunting people down. Like, I'm surprised he didn't get a little closer to Brian. But Brian was, he started feeling good at the right time. And he said he kicked it in after thatsecond lap. So obviously, congrats to him on the win.

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Dude, I saw. He ran a pretty damn good race too i was at the finish line and i saw demure finish the super too man and i don't think he he i don't think he started in the first group but it looked like he won the second group i mean he was man i was so i was so jealous of all those people that ran the ultra and they were back out there running the super the next day man because I couldn't do it and I saw all these people doing it and I was just and they all looked like they were having fun even though they said they were all in pain and it was hurting but it just I was jealous man because I wanted to go back out there and race but I justI knew it was better to not race instead of in and dig a deeper hole than I was already in so

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dude what I mean was that course I figured that course would have been way trash but or I wonder if it came up short because if it didn't and Kevin Thompson ran like a 51 PRODUCT in that mud and shit or I don't know how much mud was involved or that's a quick time for I mean I know it's a flat course but I figured that course would have been trashed. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, they said that the rain was going to be

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worse there like Sunday morning, but honestly, we got like one little easy shower the whole time I was there and we probably didn't leave until like 11 o'clock and I think like a little rain shower come in as we was getting in the car then, but for the super, like they didn't get any rain. come in as we was getting in the car then, but for the super, like, they didn't get any rain. That one muddy section, like right before you got to the spear throw, I heard it was pretty tore up, but besides that, I don't really think there was a lot of other mud places you went through.

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Oh, okay. Well, I'm glad I didn't come out there because, dude, I was, I was, I was debating because I was like, man, with all that rain and it being a trash course, I'm like, you know, I don't think I can run with Kevin Thompson or, you know, strobo or Cole PERSON on a, you know, on a perfectly flat, smooth course. But once you start throwing some mud in there, I do got that, you know, I do a little better on the terrain where everybody slows down a little bit, you know, to even it out.

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But, hell if I had showed up, I think I ought to got my ass waxed.

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And Brent, Brent came, you know, and he didn't race the beast the day before. And he was like he couldn't even keep up with Kevin PERSON, Kevin.

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Brent PERSON.

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That's right.

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Or Brent PERSON.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was Brent PERSON.

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No, Brand. I couldn't remember. Yeah, I forgot he showed up because I'm, I told, I meant to message you.

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I was going to like, I would at least give him the respect of getting a rematch from Atlanta.

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I would have came out there, you know, just to let him beat me. Yeah, I was talking to him after race because he didn't race the day before. So I was giving him pointers on what pointers there was on some of the obstacles. And yeah, he he did really good. But like Kevin PERSON, Kevin failed his spear and he still had enough gap to finish the penalty loop. And Brent PERSON made a spear.And, I mean, there was still no chance of him.

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Yeah, he's fast.

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Yeah, he put on a show for sure.

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He had a hell of lead coming into a barbed wire, you know, so.

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But, yeah, man, I thought it was, it was just impressive as hell to me just seeing all those people that ran ultra just come back and were putting down some really evil times in a super and i was like man that's that's pretty badass yeah oh yeah mad respect for that i was

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spectating like hell yeah i didn't even expectate i slept until about nine a m TIME we did i was like i'm

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out we're going to cracker bro. I'm going to the house.

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So in hindsight, Brian, do you think that is there anything that you may have done differently?

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I've got to find a more, I got to find a breakfast that doesn't normally like I said I said, I stick with my super donuts, but I didn't have them this race because I forgot to get them when we left Lincoln GPE and they're not available everywhere.

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I got to start figuring out a way to like at least preload 400 to 600 calories QUANTITY because I don't mind running with stuff on my stomach. Not a lot anyway, you know. Dude, I really don't think so. Honestly, I don't think I would have slowed down my pace at all because I just now look. I didn't have a mile that went over 11 minutes still about 24 miles. I think my 24th mile I went to 15.So the fact that, and I thought I slowed down a lot actually in between transition and there, but that's still decent times, you know, holding 10 minute miles, nine minute miles, feeling like I was done. I don't think lot, actually, in between transitioning there, but that's still decent times, you know, holding 10-minute miles, 9-minute miles, feeling like I was dying.I don't think I would have ran it any differently. I think that's what my body had. You know what I'm saying? I think it was either do that or go for the wind or run a slower first lap and have a slower overall time. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it would have been any different, no matter how I ran it.

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So the classic Brian Bill PERSON strategy, go for broke.

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Go for broke. Yeah.

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So what I did for breakfast is I couldn't sleep. Man, I woke up at probably 2.30. I had my alarm set for 3 o'clock. I woke up at like 2.30 and, you know, you start thinking about the race and I'm like, fucking I'm already, I'm not going back to bed. I'm already thinking about the race. I'm wide awake. So I just went ahead and got up, you know, and I drank, I drank two cups of coffee and Iate four honey stinger waffles, which, what is that? Each one of those are like 150 calories piece. So that was about 600 calories.

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Light, 600 calories light 600 calories you know it's not like a real heavy breakfast and I mean I felt great with that so like I said

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just got to sit there chill drink coffee play galaxy heroes and um like I got to the race man I was feeling good you know I did a few little strides just kind of jogging around felt good in my step you know we get in there and like I was running out with y'all I mean of course I wasn't right beside y'all I was you know probably about 10 or 20 yards QUANTITY back but I was I was with y'all until probably we went under the bridge y'all made that turn and I pretty much never saw the top group again after that point. Right. And I come off a twister and I was like, and I dialed it back a little bit and I was watching my pace. I was still kind of running in the nines, you know, and kind of feathering into eights a little bit for pacing. And I'm like, I don't need to be doing that.

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But when it felt good, you know, I was kind of hanging in there. And I was like, don't need to be doing that but when it felt good you know I was

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kind of hanging in there and I was like well I'll just stay right here in this high nine low tens

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but I probably really should have just backed off and just stayed in the tens and just avoided you

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know low nines and just stayed and you know very high nines and just stayed in, you know, very high nines and just stayed in between 10 and 11.

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I think I probably would have done a lot better, maybe.

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Man, and I don't know what's going on, man, but like I got nauseous. And I had a good plan and it was working. I took like two bags of gummies. I think the Pro Bar PRODUCT brand. And then I had a brand of like Honey Stinger PRODUCT gummies. I mixed them together in a Ziploc PRODUCT bag.So I didn't have to fight with packaging. I had to flip a little zip pocket, the Nathan PERSON little zip pocket belt. I'd open that zipper, open that zip lock bag, and I was eating four of those gummies every 30 minutes.So that's like 100 calories an hour right there. And at least, probably a little bit more. And I was feeling good with that. And another thing that I decided to do kind of like a last minute thing is I bought these, it's not a water bottle, a water soft flask. It's like one of the goo brand soft flask because you're supposed to just fill it up with goo.And it has like.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. I know exactly.

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Yeah, the bigger dispenser right and um so you you put you can you can just squirt like it's kind of like instead of carrying five goos you could put five gooes in this one soft flask and it's got a twist like mouthpiece on it where you can squirt that goo into your mouth. But the thing about it is, is with water, like you can make the water come out so much faster with that piece. You don't have to bite down on it for, you know, to release it like you do on those other soft flask. You know, when I was wearing those cheap Teslacompression pants that you get off of Amazon ORG and they've got a little side pocket dude I was filling up that little bottle at the aid stations and still drinking a cup and that way I had like five ounces of water maybe a little more it might hold six ounces of water and I had that in between aid stations and like sometimes I drink the whole bottle sometimes I wouldn't and it rode so good in that pocket because it wasn't like enough to be heavy andbulky it was perfect man I love that I'm going to start doing that from now on um but so like I felt great for the whole first lap and I come in at three hours and I was like, damn, that's really good, especially since this is a 16.6 course. That's what I had. And that's including failing the spear on the first loop.

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And I walked that loop the day before, and it was two-tenths of a mile QUANTITY.

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And so I finished the first trans I mean the first

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loop coming to transition Jason Barnes PERSON the race director he was in there and I was

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like hey man thanks for the extra miles and he said he's like well how much did you get I said I got 16.6 and he's like no way I said yeah man I'm using a Phoenix 7 you know running off both satellites, you know? And right. He's like, he's like, well, it wasn't supposed to be. So I mean, I don't care.You know, I know there was a lot of people, you know, fussing and complaining about how long the ultra was. You know, but here's my take on it. If I'm doing an ultra, I don't care if it's my first fucking ultra. I would rather my first ultra be more than a 50 EVENTK than less than a 50K. You know what I mean?

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One thousand percent. Don't damn. If I run an old, that's like at one in South Carolina a couple years ago. My first one ever, I'm pretty sure. Not ultra, but my first Spartan Ultra EVENT.Supposed to be quote unquote, 50K at some bitch is 26.9 miles QUANTITY.

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Yeah. And that was off my watch, Shield ORG's watch, your watch, Michael ORG's watch. And I'm like,yeah. It wasn't Michael ORG's because he bitched out and didn't go and do that race with us. That was Spartan Bird PRODUCT.

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Oh, I didn't know that.

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Yeah, he didn't show up.

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And it was his idea. Mike was like, let's do three altrues this year. This year, let's do three ultrass.

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And he only did two of them.

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That's because I signed up with that 50 mile QUANTITY. I did a 50 mile race the month after that.

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Hey, I was just going off of the pact that we made.

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I, by, I, bye, bye, bye,. You were like, let's do three olders.

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Was it the blood pact or something?

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No, it was your wife not letting you do it at the time.

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I tell you what, Scott, one thing I did forget about, though, my, you know, my first lap, I felt pretty good, right?

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And then my second lap, I felt like I had this nag injury.

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It's like the people who picked me up in the morning, they kept trying to hit

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the gas pedal as I was getting

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in the truck. And then they're like, oh, put your cooler

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in the back. And I'm like, all right. And I think

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the guy's driving. I mean, I can't remember his name. It might be Michael ORG possibly. Fucking ran over my fucking foot with a truck that weighed, I don't know, it's all 6,000 pounds. So really,

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so basically, let's go ahead and scrub my whole fucking race and be like, look, it felt good for 25 miles. Then after that, that nag and foot injury just came back and really bit me. That's what we're going to say anyway.

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Yeah, it was Michael ORG's fault because he was trying to get his stupid little joke, laugh,

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chuckle out of the way first thing in the morning.

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It's not like I'm highly trained Olympic Adelaide GPE.

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Don't worry about it.

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Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I'll be fine. I'm tough.

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I can handle it.

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I have some, I have some valid points to, combat that. Number one, it's not 6,000 pounds.

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The motor in the entire truck with 6,000 pounds.

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I ran over your little toe with just the back tire.

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So maybe 7,800 pounds, tops.

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Hold on, hold on.

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There was no toe full.

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That the motherfucker was on my ankle.

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They divided me in two more.

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I mean, you ran over my whole fucking foot.

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I'm surprised you didn't park on and laugh about it.

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My second point.

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Nobody's fucking perfect, dude.

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Nobody's perfect.

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Third point, tough to fuck up.

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Yeah, I mean, it was a good joke.

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We can all agree that it was a good joke that went wrong, okay?

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And Brian's being over dramatic, it probably just kind of ran over the tip of his shoe and none of his toes were under it.

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You know where you tie your shot at the top.

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That was underneath the fucking tire.

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Scott Michael PERSON thought he had another fucking speed bump.

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I'm like, no, that's my fucking foot.

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I mean, I thought it was weird at Sky ORG to get jack out, jack the back truck up, pull your ass out.

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Exactly. Oh, God, that shit was funny, though.

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You never know what you're going to get when me and Michael come and pick you up in the morning.

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Hey, I mean, it was, you know, God, that's funny as shit. We didn't even charge you anything either.

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And I was straight up, though, you did not affect my race at all.

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I ain't even going to begin to say that.

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That hurt for almost about six minutes TIME.

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And then I was like, okay, back to normal.

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Until we stopped making fun of you.

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He said, I can't play this no more.

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There's a little laugh at me.

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Yeah, so, but yeah, I'm there in transition, just kind of talking to Jason. And everything works great according to plan transition. I've took my frozen bottles of water. I had another frozen bottle of electrolytes there. And it was like a mix, like you shake it up. And it's pretty good, but it does kind of have a strong taste, even in 16 ounces of water.And I dumped, you know, my cold bottle of water on me. It was almost unfrozen. It wasn't completely unfrozen, but most of it was. So that were good. And then I just changed out my belts and I was running out of transition with the other bottle and I drank most of it and then I got like halfway through it and I was like man this is justtoo much so I ended up just pouring it out and I just threw the bottle away at the first aid station and I had in that belt I had I think I had like a fun size thing of M&Ms PRODUCT in a zip block bag with a honey stinger waffle that I have broken the quarters I ate that first quarter of the honey stinger waffle and I was like nope I don't want that and I ate like four M&Ms PRODUCT and I was like nope I don't want that either and so I was like all right I'm just gonna go back to eating the gummies.And like, I think I might ate two at that next 30 minute interval. And I was like, uh-oh, I'm starting to feel nauseous already. And maybe, and I kind of got screwed up on my electrolytes because on the first lap, I opened up my pill bottle while I was running and I dropped one and I looked for it and I couldn't find it and I was like well so I already didn't have enough anyway so I think I only had one electrolyte peel for the first lap for the secondlap I only had two and I probably really needed three for the first lap and three for a second lap. I don't know why I didn't plan that accordingly. So I didn't, I might, I may have ate two more gummies, maybe. And then when I got to the, um, the ultraloupe, they had those bananas there.

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I was like, well, I'm going to try to eat a banana and just I took one bite out of it and I just almost threw it up but I got that one bite down and just threw the rest of it away after that I didn't eat nothing else so I probably went two hours with no fuel I was drinking plenty of water but I wasn't I didn't have any electrolytes man and I was just good dude

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after the race I mean y'all saw me I was just nauseous as hell um right and I was like I just

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hit a balk man like I started getting slow and I started getting slow fast and my hip flexors man were killing me and that pain that I was telling that pain I was telling you all about in

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like my groin where I think it's either like a strained hip flexor or maybe the start of a hernia I'm leaning more towards

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a strain but man it bothered me from the from the first overwall we jumped over and it's like it progressively got worse and it caused my hip flexor to hurt on my left leg and then on the second lap like both of my hip flexors were were bother me i don't know if it was because all the sand running or the high stepping in the technical terrain on the ultra loop but man it was killing me i even tried to start running with my toes kind of pointing outward. And that kind of gave it a little bit of relief, but, but not a lot, man. And I just, man, just having to run through that pain, it just sucks so bad.

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And that was probably the most difficult part about that race,

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besides not being able to fuel was just, you know,

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trying to run through pain when all you wanted to do was just walk. It was miserable.

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Hell, Jr. PERSON, I think I did walk more than once, but I can't tell if I was walking because I was beat to death or I was throwing myself a fucking pity party.

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But I made a lot of cool people.

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Don't get me wrong.

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I mean, I walked here and there just to kind of relief my hip flex was flexures a little bit and sometimes it would it would be weird it's like I would jump over a wall it hurt really bad but just that pause and the change and the motion of not running I'd get relief for like the next few minutes it was so weird man I've never had that problem with my hip flexors before I'm surprised you didn't have that because didn't you do the 50

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mile or I forgot in Florida that one year.

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Yes. I didn't have any problems.

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Yeah, I say every time I do a long, anything that goes over normally 40, 50 miles, mine will do the same thing like it. Dude, sometimes at like Rim to River, you know, I set out, we done, God, I think like 28 miles and like four hours and 20 minutes. Felt great. Then I realized exactly how fast I was running.We backed off the pace, blah, blah, blah. But like, mile 70, Sarah Nichols PERSON was pacing me. And, dude, it was all I could do to, like, I was running 10 minute base and about to die. Like, just hip flexors were hurting. And then I was like, fuck this, I got to walk. So I started walking about 13 to 15 minute TIME pace. It was about to die, like, just hip flexors were hurting. And then I was like, fuck this, I got to walk. So I started walking about 13 to 15 minute pace.It was about to die. And then, dude, I randomly started, like, opening up miles at, like, 8, 30, 9 minute QUANTITY miles. Had a good stretch of, like, five miles. After that, I felt great. Never had a problem again. Now, granted, that pace didn't last long, obviously.But I guess that change of, I guess I just needed a change of motion because that shit was hurting. So I can see how, you know, going back and forth, change it up a little bit. It would help. So you'll think this is funny. When I was coming out

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of transition, Bear PERSON was announcing to the next crowd trying to go out, which I was trying to beat too coming out of transition as fast so I wouldn't get caught in that crowd. And Bear PERSON was bragging about his banana eating skills and asking them the people in the corral if there was anybody that was voluntled to do this race. And about that time I was running by the corral.And I was like, me, me, I was violent told to do this race. And he was like, he said something like shut up Scott Brian's already up front talking about how slow your ass is and I said I yelled back about that time I was getting on course I yelled back and I saidhe's telling the truth right

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that's funny

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so how long were you in transition

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I was in transition

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about 10 seconds longer than brain was. I think Brian was in there like two minutes and three seconds.

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I was in there like two minutes and 15 seconds.

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Not time and chip, time and ship, like in the transition area there.

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I would shit probably a minute because I was two minutes between timing mats.

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Gotcha.

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Same with you, Brian. Yeah. Yeah, I think I went into the little transition square, and I think I was in there right at just under two minutes. I went back out of the square. Now, of course, I was pretty much walking to the other mat,but I'd check my watch. I was actually in the transition, other mat. But I checked my watch. I was actually in the transition, broke off place two minutes. Because somebody turned my fucking bucket over. I went to pick it up on the top fell out.

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I may not have kicked it completely out of transition on my way out.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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I didn't do that.

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If I would have thought about it, I definitely would have, though. I didn't even think about it.

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No, fucking Scott PERSON turned my goddamn bucket over. I get over there. I didn't do that. If I would have thought about it, I definitely would have, though. I didn't even think about it. No, fucking Scott turned my goddamn bucket over. I get over there.

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Oh, that's funny. I had my other stuff laid out perfect.

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What fuck you know what was me?

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Because your bucket is right beside mine.

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You're fucking smart ass.

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Man, as soon as I picked it up,

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my shit fucking fell out, everything.

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And what I needed, so that means what I needed was actually on the bottom now.

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I'm a motherfucker on the bottom now. I was motherfucker.

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So, that's funny.

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Funny story, going back to 2019 when we were at Tron ORG doing that rainy ass ultra there,

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Michael ORG had printed out a picture of my mother and taped to his bucket.

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And of course, I get to transition before Michael ORG does.

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Garfield PERSON's there in transition at the time.

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And I'm like already getting ready to go.

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Brian, me and you were right beside each other right then. I don't know if you remember this or not.

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And, yeah, you dropped my ass like a hot pocket about a quarter mile later, but go ahead, sorry.

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And so Michael ORG's got that bucket there. So I picked up the bucket and I shook it really, really hard. And then I turned it upside down then too. And Garfield PERSON's looking at me like I'm crazy. And I said he printed out a picture of my mom and put on his bucket.

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That's a freaking funny.

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And then there was another race. I forget what race it was, but Michael ORG printed out a picture of old big Dick Barry PERSON and put in my bucket. So when I opened it up, that was the first thing I saw.Yeah.

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Mr.

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Bear PERSON would.

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Yeah.

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Hey, I do that in my,

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everybody listens.

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I do that in my baggage at the airport.

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I check my bags.

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You know, sometimes they'll just go through your shit. It's always put in a picture. I mean, put it in there. So they open it up, start going through my bags. That's the first thing you know, see.

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So, you know, I'm able to check to, who was it,

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an electrician or somebody last month. And I printed it, I printed out a little picture, put it in an envelope.

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Somebody opened it up, you to check that picture was in there.

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Somebody gave me a Christmas shirt with him on it.

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And I think it says Barry PERSON Christmas on it. Yeah.

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Like if we go to Central Florida this year and like if I, if I managed to get on the podium, I'm going to like wear that shirt on the podium. I swear to God. Well, it's just like when.

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Because now they don't care what shirts you wear on the podium.

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No, the code.

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Yeah. You know the code to my truck and you put the air freshener of him in there.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's a good.

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The thing's feel like frustration and cocoa butter.

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There's a dude at work and he had like a high school graduation party for all these kids that come to the house.

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But he took all their keys away or something like that.

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I don't know.

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And so he put one of those air fresheners out in all their cars.

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Or maybe it was a college kids or something like that and he gave me one of

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those do you still got it in your truck michael PERSON uh it's in the big luck bar of my truck was

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the load of motor so yeah i'll pick up my truck um thursday morning so they got it fixed

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got new motor booth.

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Nice.

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Turn your camera off, Michael ORG, because you're breaking up, starting to break up.

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No, nobody wants to look at my pretty face.

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No.

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Just your mom. We also have to.

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All about that.

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We also have to shout out all Cassandra for stomping every man's ass, essentially, besides the top three, I think.

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Because I think, I know she beat my time.

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And she may, I think she'd be Jonathan Ryan's PERSON time too, didn't she?

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So she would have been fourth overall.

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Hang on.

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Hang on.

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Hang on.

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Hang on.

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I got the results pulled up on my work phone.

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So one thing about me and her is I think she passed me after Twister PRODUCT.

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And then the terrain got technical technical and like I caught back up

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with her and I stayed in front of her through the ultra loop a little bit and when we came to that

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that water station that you did on both sides where they had the bananas at like she I stopped

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and drank a glass of water and dumped the glass of water on my head

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she just ran by it dumped the glass of water on her head and just kept running dude by the

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time I finished drinking water and I probably filled up my flask too I don't think I was there

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a minute I turned around and she was like already like halfway across that field and I never freaking saw her again. She was gone.

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So her time. Yeah, when she passed me, she looked like she was pretty moving, pretty hot.

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Yeah, she definitely was.

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Hang on, I got all the results.

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Messed up on here.

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Dude, you should have seen her husband.

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She was 6.07.

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She was 6.07 and that would have, that would have beat your time.

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That wouldn't have beat Jonathan PERSON time.

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So she was fifth overall. Damn, that's impressive.

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Yeah, she was cooking, man.

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And yeah, her husband was out there taking Joe PERSON.

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What was before Bender PERSON obstacle-wise? Was it?

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Oh.

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And then Bender PERSON? No, that's not it.

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I think Olympus ORG.

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Either way, he watched me do something.

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Oh, okay.

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He watched me do Olympus ORG.

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I swear to God.

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And he took off down that gravel road before I got to bender. And got to me.

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You're going to repeat all that.

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Yeah.

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You're going to have to repeat all that brain.

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I'm on,

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I'm on Black Mountain LOC.

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You sound clear now.

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You said something about he was going out of gravel road,

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and then what?

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Yeah, man, I'm going down to gravel road.

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He made me to bend her.

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Dude, I'm telling him. He was quick. Yeah.

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Well, he used to run track, too think like really quick because she ran track i know because she told me that in new york yeah um man he got some of the

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best pictures because me and her were kind of close together and like coming through the venue

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like he got some awesome pictures of me jumping into the dunk wall water and got a kind of close together and like coming through the venue like he got some awesome

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pictures of me jumping into the dunk wall water and got a video of me going across twister got pictures

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and videos of me at the spear and everything yeah man i got like better pictures from him than the ones

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i actually bought i bought these because i had that spartan plus discount code i think it ends at the end

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of the month but you get like $20 off but you have to buy after the fact so it still costs 20 bucks so technically you're only getting $10 because I can sell out what I can sell out yeah I'm

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all my pictures well I was just going to use the code the code expires is in the mayor sure what he said.

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But I did get some good pictures at this race. Even Spartan NORP pitchers are pretty good. Better than all the other races I've been up. Who's honking?

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Brian.

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Oh, could y'all hear that?

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Yeah, where are you honking at?

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Oh, hold on one second.

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Nobody. Y'all hear that? Yeah. No were you hoping? Oh, hold on one second. Nobody.

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Y'all hear that?

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Yeah.

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No, we didn't hear that honk either.

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Well, a lot of times there's voice cancellation crap. It cancels everything. I'm surprised y'all could hear that.

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Yeah, it didn't sound super loud.

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It sounded like a clown horn. Yeah, this is a hot tank for everybody on the road.

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Well, if you're doing 65 in a 65, just go ahead and give your license to me.

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That way I can put it in a fucking shredder.

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Because you're holding everybody up.

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I'm just saying, if you ain't doing 10 over, you really don't need to be on the road.

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Says the truck driver that's going to 85 passing people in the fast lane when they're not supposed to.

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The faster I go, the more I make, Junior PERSON, that's how it works.

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Junior PERSON.

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So what did you guys think about the obstacles at the race?

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I actually liked all, I mean, the bucket carry was pretty much in the same spot as it was last year.

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But I think that this layout, the way they had the obstacles, I liked it better this year than probably any year we've ever done. The sandbag carry was great. Then putting that sandbag carry where it was, and you, the way they had the obstacles, I liked it better this year than probably any year we've ever done. The sandbag carry was great. Then putting that sandbag carry where it was and you had to go up that beach sand hill, that was awesome, man. I mean, it was cool.

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It was pretty tough. I mean, it wasn't like, it wasn't like super tough, but it was almost enough that you couldn't jog up that little hill, you know. Well, I couldn't jog up that little hill, you know, so. Well, I couldn't jog up that little hills.

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I think I, the first loop, I jogged all the way up it,

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but the second loop I had to walk it, some, towards the top.

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And that ridge line we did.

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Do what?

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I said, I think I preferred it.

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I liked it better last year just because I

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liked the idea of getting those hard obstacles out of the way in the middle of the

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race versus having to be really beat down and then do them on the back half of the

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race that's just me and that makes sense like I totally I totally get that too

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because like even coming in you know I was

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pretty tired you know I was ready for the race to be over for sure and you still had like a gauntlet of

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tough obstacles you know Olympus ORG bucket bender and you had you know that barbed wire crawl rope

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climb rig so I mean there was some tough stuff in the last mile in, like, what did we have last year in the last mall?

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Helix, Hercules PRODUCT hoist.

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That was pretty much it, wasn't it?

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I can't remember.

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Maybe.

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It wasn't a lot.

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Didn't we have Beater PRODUCT, like, in that same place they always kind of had it in on the way back in?

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I feel like we did.

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But I remember last year, it was so, the way it was laid out was so easy.

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I remember having like seven miles to go and I just started fucking cranking out miles because I was just like, hell, there's nothing. I was like, it's not like I have to save energy to do anything. You know what I mean? Those last six or seven had like four obstacles. Right.

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That wasn't bad.

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So on the first lap, I picked, I come to Olympus, and there was one wall that was kind of leaning

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away from the side that I would want to get on, so you had a little bit. It wasn't much, but it was enough. So if you were looking at them left to right, it was the second one over from the left. I used it. It worked great. It was dry. And on the second lap, I come to that and the guy was just getting on it. And I was like, you know, whatever. I'll go to the one, the first one on the left, on the left side. And I was on it, going across it, it was working fine. All the holes were like really high.And then on the last three panels, like all of the holes were like a foot lower. I'd never seen that on an Olympus ORG panel ever.

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So it was all lined up a foot lower?

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Yes.

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And so I got real low and like I had to grab a chain because there just wasn't an available hole to grab at the moment and I grabbed that chain and then I had to cross over and grab a hole and I made it but still that one shoot that one they didn't have a rock you could grab or you just grabbed the

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I was already I was already too low oh I got you

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yeah I couldn't I couldn't get to the rock hold I want to say I when when the holes

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drop down though like I had to grab a rock hold to ease myself down a little bit lower to get to where the holes were at I Damn. I've had that happen every now.

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It's been a minute.

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I've never seen them in a row like that,

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but I've definitely grabbed them lower holes and then had to hold myself with my left arm and reach up to a rock with my right arm. I've done that once or twice. Right.

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I'm sure everybody out there that went to that far panel, they'll remember what I'm talking about for sure.

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But, man, besides that... What do you think about the sure. But man, besides that, the height of eight foot wall.

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See, I mean, it seemed normal to me. I didn't think it was any higher. I think me and Izzy hit that about the second time.

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And Izzy said he thought it seemed higher than eight feet.

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What did you say, Michael ORG?

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I said, what did you think about the about the height of the eight-foot wall?

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Yeah, I mean, I think it was maybe just a little bit higher than normal,

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but me and Izzy PERSON were right there beside each other,

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and he said he felt like it was pretty tall. I thought it was too.

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Well, it was because the grant, did you notice how the ground was cut out a solid four or five inches QUANTITY below the wall? So when you actually did have to jump up and grab it, you know, I look, because I always look at the walls, you know, I'm looking for the wherever that wall is the closest to the ground. You know what I mean?

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That's common sense.

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And every, every bit of that wall was four to six inches off the ground, you know,

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maybe four to five, whatever, you know, something like that QUANTITY.

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But it, yeah, so it was a little taller.

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But I think on stairway, when I got there the first time,

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I climbed up it and like I didn't,

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wasn't concentrating on like hooking my fingers around it

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and like my fingers spread out and slipped on one of those holds.

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And I had to retry it. But on the second lap I didn't have any problems with it. It's like you just really got to focus on hooking your making a hook out of your hand and to move up those rock holds I think it those rock holds are starting to get wear on them you know and now they're just more slick than they used to be and you just don't have as good a grip on them or maybe maybe I'm just getting weaker I don't know I

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think it's your getting a way or I never had to try to say away more than once really no I'm just kidding no I really don't know. I'm thinking that you're getting weaker. I ain't never had to try to say away more than once. Really?

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No, I'm just kidding.

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No, I really don't.

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Well, dude, I won't lie.

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When I'm wanting people, when I come to an obstacle,

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I truly, did I mute myself?

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No.

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When I come to an obstacle, I'm like, if I don't do this first try,

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it's fucking, I'm done, I'm over it. I can't. So there's no, you know what I'm saying? I'm very one and done. So I might take an extra four seconds to rest every now and then. But, yeah, first time I jump up and grab that shit, I ain't coming back down.Typically.

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So what are you saying? If you jumped up on stairway and you didn't make it the first try, you're not going to try it again. You're going to go straight to the penalty loop?

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No, hell no. I'm saying if I jump up to the stairway, I'm not fucking falling back down is what I'm saying. Okay.

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Yeah, I've never had to second jump at stairway ever.

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I don't think.

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Or Olympus ORG or, you know.

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You don't until you have to. And now you're going to have to because you're talking shit.

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Just like old boy when he was talking shit about Seawall.

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I think his name is inside OCR ORG. Wasn't he talking shit about Helix and then failed it? I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah like old boy when he was talking shit about Seawall. I think his name was inside OCR ORG. Wasn't he talking shit about Helix PRODUCT and then failed it? I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hell, I can't say anything I've failed it too.

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Right. I've never failed Helix, but I remember that one day in Jacksonville. Dude, I was fucking in the race, in that age group national series, maybe like that first year.

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And they had the monkey bars on top of the hill within like half a mile to start dude i missed that bell by a fucking foot for no reason and that was when we had to do 30 burpees oh dude i was out of the race i mean it was done i mean

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i worked my way back up to like six or seventh out of just pure pissed offness you know right damn

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i whiff that bell by at least a foot not even remotely closed i was like man that was one of

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those days nice we've all had

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those days though um man I was about to say something I forgot what it was coming out of the

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closet no okay um big reveal no what I wanted to ask you is when you do stairway

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michael's in the Port of John FAC.

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He turned his camera back on just so we would notice that.

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Nice.

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So when you do stairway,

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do you jump up, grab two plastic holds and like climb with your hands

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until you get to the top part of the board and then do you put a foot on it

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or do you put a foot on it while you still have your hands on the rock holds

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I go so I always look for the lowest rock I jump up with that one grab it with my right hand

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there's another rock to the left about another foot QUANTITY up right so I jump up grab that one with my right hand there's another rock to the left about another foot up right

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so i jump up grab that one with my right hand immediately grab that one with my left hand

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and then put my foot my left foot goes up on the other rock to the left of that and then climb my

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way up up and over so you don't you don't go up any higher on the rocks when you initially put two hands on the rocks?

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I don't think so. No, I mean, I know. I'm sure I do once I get my foot up there, but I'm pretty sure. Now, I may be moving my right hand up, but I think once I have both hands on the first two rocks that I'm grabbing, my left foot automatically goes to that left rock, and then I put my right hand up to the next rock and continue on from there.You know what I mean?

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Well, see, I don't use my legs.

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I don't use my legs until I get my feet into the first open space of the, until I get to the top of the rock hold grip board. I don't put my feet on any rock holds until then. Why don't you try it like that big boy why would I do that one is I got a burn up less forearm energy I forgot you got that cheerleader flexibility

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so you can probably throw your leg up there a lot easier in most men I ain't

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saying I don't cramp every now and when I'm doing it but you know I don't think I

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do that I don't trust my grip I think if I tried to do that, I would lose grit with my hands

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while I was trying to move my leg up. I might try it one day when we're, if it's around and it's open heat or something. Well, put it this way. If you're, if you're standing straight up, you can kick your leg out to the side and get it to your, you know, if you lift your leg up, you can get it even with your hip, you know what I mean?And then if you, if you compliment that with just pulling up a little bit on the rocks, like kind of doing like half a pull up on those two rocks.

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Oh, yeah, dude, your leg would get up there easy.

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Yeah, it is weird.

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You honestly might do it, not even realize it, but, hell, maybe not.

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And you bring, and you bring, so your left hand is high,

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your right hand is low, and you bring your left leg up to the rock? No, right hand is higher. So I jump on the, the highest rock goes to my right hand. I jump high on the right rock. You know what I'm saying?

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See, I do the opposite.

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I jump low right, high left.

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Oh, okay.

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Then that would almost make you lean a little weird to be able to do what I'm doing.

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Right.

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But yeah, yeah, I go right hand high, left hand low.

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And then the other rock that I put my left leg on is about even with the left hand rock.

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Right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I can see the pattern in my head and what you're

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saying makes more sense because I thought you were saying you did it like me, left hand high, right hand low, because then if you moved your left leg up, you'd be moving your let, try to move

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your left leg to a higher rock. Yes, so honestly, maybe I don't know if the rocks are laid out like that, but hell, you could do it the way you're doing it and just do it with your right leg instead. But I mean, I will say this. It makes it to where soon as I grab, now that first rock, don't give me wrong. I mean, I don't know how many people can jump upand grab that first rock with the right hand because it is pretty tall. Right.

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But I'm only using my forearm strength for, you know,

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fucking four seconds TIME. As soon as I jump up and grab it, it's a four, three second TIME process. And once my left foot's on there, you know, fucking four seconds. As soon as I jump up and grab it, it's a four, three second process. And once my left foot's on there, hell, you know, I ain't doing one that work after that. My legs doing all the work.

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Right. I need to try it like that one time.

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I'd be scared to try it like that in a competitive wave, but I mean, I might try it on an open day when I get out there or something. Right.

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Just to have an, I mean, I like having optional ways to do every obstacle you know

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yes like because when Olympus is dry I'm going to stay on my feet but when it's wet I'm going to

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go to my knees you know because you kind of got to and like the rig when the rigs tough

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I'll do one for one but if the rigs dry I'm going to skip rings you know and like the monkey bars when the monkey bars is wet you're going to go one to one know. And like the monkey bars, when the monkey bars is wet, you're going to go one to one. But like this weekend, the monkey bars were, they were dry and they were pretty easy. And those two that are always really close together, I skipped one of those on both times I did it. And I think I skipped the last bar on both runs, too. Do you overthink?

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Like when I go to Olympus ORG, I have no pattern planned out whatsoever. I know this.

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I'm going to grab any hole that I can reach and any rock I can reach.

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Okay, guys, I was wondering, I was like, hell, I don't overthink shit when it comes to that. As long as it's a hole in a rock, I'm grabbing it. I ain't really worried about the chains.I don't even, as far as I'm concerned, they don't exist.

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It would be. And it's not very fun. Well, you know, because they mix up the patterns. So you can't really go by a pattern anymore. When they had the old style, when it was plywood, it was the same exact pattern on every single board all the way across.Well, now if you'll look at it, you'll see it'll be a normal pattern. And then you have two that are kind of mirroring each other where it'll have two low holes right there close to each other and that's where you get in the bind if you're like an all holes person and right because then you're going to have a crossover problem there and you never know like those two holes might be at the beginning of the wall the middle of the wall or towards the end of the walldepending on how they set it up so normally when I get there like sometimes I can still stay on all the holes but if I get in a bind or if it's like towards the end of the wall you know I might can grab a chain just to reach over one time and get back on the holes and I can get back set if it's like towards the end of the wall, you know, I might can grab a chain just to reach over one time and get back on the holes and I can get back set. If it's dry, you know,if it's wet, you know, it's definitely way more difficult. I do like those holes though.

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They are very like precision cut. Like you can,

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you can damn near to,

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you can, I could sit there and hang on them holes for a hot minute. Like if I get in a bind, you know,

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you could really,

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you know, put your hands in there.

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Hold on for dear life if you need to do.

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Yeah, the plywood.

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It's like I do with Michael ORG's mom.

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Sorry, boy.

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The holes on the plywood, they were a little more. But, yeah, like, I mean, besides me having to retry stairway one time i i don't think i mean i was getting

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so sore on my legs like i wasn't flipping over i think i flipped over the uh vertical cargo

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net one time but on the second lap you know i was already losing time and i was like what's

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another few seconds to you know save some pain so i just kind of went over it like most people do stepping over the top of

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it but besides that i i'd shoot the obstacles were they were they were easy they flowed easy

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i don't have any problems they were all dry for most of the day i didn't get caught out there in

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the rain i'm sure that made them a lot more difficult for a lot of people out there.

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But the buckets were pretty heavy.

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I think I got a lighter sandbag on the first lap than I did the second

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lap.

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I know that.

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You and me both there.

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That second lap sandbag about beat my ass to death.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Or either we were just more wiped.

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Who knows?

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It could very much well be possible.

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Michael ORG, me and,

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me and Brain PERSON have talked about our races.

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Oh.

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How did you feel, Michael ORG?

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Yeah.

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My legs felt good.

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My foot shit out on me. Around mile, probably 20, 21.

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I started getting severe foot pain, but I think it was running all that sand and stuff

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and just from my ankle going, you know, flexing side to side.

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So I had to walk a bunch and get that back in. But, I mean, I like the course, like the layout of everything.

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So, you know, good job with it. I like the course, like the layout of everything. So, you know, good job with it. I didn't mind that it was, you know, over 33 miles. The only issue I have, and Spartans ORG done this a bunch, where they'll tell you it's one distance, go, oh, they're Spartan NORP miles. And the thing is fucking funny.But when you do trail races and they say, hey, you get eight stations here, here, here, you plan your nutrition, your hydration based on that. See what I mean?

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So you're going out for a, you think it's going to be a 31-mile QUANTITY race and you're planning, you know, two and a half, three more miles QUANTITY. Well,

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on the surface, you know, two and a half three QUANTITY, it's bad. Well, yes, it is.

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That's a, that's a huge difference in the trail running world you know because you don't carry a lot that's a that's an hour difference for some people yeah exactly

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so that's one thing i didn't like about it you know but i guess you just take it with a

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grain and solid that's how spartan does it i don't like to do that uh just because um

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ultras especially longer ultras.

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When you're trying to plan your race, you can run to problems like that.

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So in defense to that, so, you know, I talked to Jason Barnes PERSON in transition and

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then after the race, I told them that I had 33.3 miles on Sunday when I saw him, he had,

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we spoke again.

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And he said that there was a, there was a part on the ultra loop that was added on that

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wasn't supposed to be added on.

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And it was that cool ridge line that we did that we've never done before.

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He said that that wasn't supposed to be there.

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And I was like, dude, that was like one of the coolest parts back there.

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So that was super fun.

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That was fun.

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I mean, and it wasn't like really crazy or nothing, but it was a centric that we had never saw before. And I loved it. And even that little steep like washout hill you had to go down on the end.

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Like, I mean, that was super fun too that was fun too

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yeah and um so and i was like dude i mean i didn't mind it at all he's like and he asked me to send him my gpx file just so he could know you know compare it to what they planned and then to what it was because he said if he would have known it would have been that many miles ahead of time, we would have only done that loop once.And when I said, look man, it was fine with me, you know, I like doing a little ridge line. But he said,he's like, yeah, but the only bad thing is is I told everybody, it was only going to be 30.5. And, you know, he didn said, he's like, yeah, but the only bad thing is, is I told everybody, it was only going to be 30.5 and, you know, he didn't want that.

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Well, honest mistake is honest mistake. Not to mention, let's be, all right, and let's pull this down. If you're signing up for a Spartan race and 31 miles, if it turns out to be 33, if you can finish 31, I'm a firm believer, you can finish 33. Just pack enough shit to where always pack extra. That'srule number one. Always pack extra.

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And I will say this, dude, as

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much as, you know, that second lap, everybody's like, oh, good job, blah, blah, blah. Because, you know, you do lap people. Man, I know what we do is, I mean, I don't consider impressive. You know, you can take fucking a whole lot of people come out here and smoke all of our asses. That's

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just 100%. We're mediocre in the world of runners. I'm more impressed by these motherfuckers who

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line up and they do that first lap in six hours and they're like, yeah, I'll just refuel and go out

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for another one. Yeah, I mean, that's fucking insane, dude. I mean, and, you know, I do have a slight understanding of that because I run

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longer races than, oh, than 50Ks.

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But I'm like, man, to me, I am so impressed by those people on that second lap.

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I'm just like, see, y'all's the fucking tough motherfuckers.

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Because, you know, I'm out here doing six hours, 15 minutes, quote unquote, having a bad day. And these people are like, yeah, I'm shooting for 11. And I'm like, man, y'all are just, there's a lot of tough people out there. I'm very, I mean, I love that second lap. Just because you see so many tough people out there just fucking grinding it out.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I would rather go out there and suffer harder for six, six hours, six and a half, seven hours is what it took me. And, but then you have some people they're out there like all day 12 hours 13 hours i totally believe that that person had a way more tougher race

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than i did hands down hands right yeah i mean they were on time on feet 13 hours i was time on

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feet seven hours to me they had a harder day i don't care if they walk the whole thing that was a

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that was a tougher day to me like i would much rather go out there and run that race in in seven hours

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eight hours then go out there and be out there all day doing it to me that's harder that's more mental and you've got more you know you, you're more fear of making the cutoffs and not knowing if you're going to finish. So, I mean, there's a lot, you know, there's a lot to say about that for sure.

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I'm always impressed by that's like, I don't know. I mean, you know, you listen to race brain and running public. Well, when they actually talk about Spartan NORP races, you know, they'll give you minimums to run. Dude, I think the minimum, if you're actually preparing for this race or an ultra in general, that's a 50K. You know, what do you say, 30 miles a week should be about the minimum if you want to just complete it. To be sure you complete it, about 30 miles a week minimum. Dude, there's people out here that just, they just sign up for this shit and wing it. To be sure you complete it, about 30 miles a week minimum. Dude,there's people out here that just, they just sign up for this shit and wing it. And I'm like, that's balls. That's balls all day long.

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I was like, I respect the hell out of that because they're fucking nuts. Man, I know for a fact.

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I like people who do shit like that. That's fun.

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When me and Michael went to New Jersey GPE in 2016 and did our first ultra. I was running three days a week. And on the weekends, my long run consisted of one weekend, I would run eight miles. The next weekend, I would run 10 miles. And then the next weekend, I'd run 13 miles.And during the week, I might have done two five Ks in between that that was my mileage so yeah I mean I wasn't doing a lot more over 15 miles training for New

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Jersey so that's pretty that's yeah that's wild but I will say this volume I we're

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not going to go on a small tangent.

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But, dude, volume matters because, like I said, when I was over the winter, I was like, I mean, there was a couple days where I just ran marathons in the mountains because it was fun and like four hours, four and a half hours, you know, with, you know, six, seven thousand feet QUANTITY of climbing.

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And then I dropped my volume down to six hours a week during April and you're saying

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I made it 24 miles before I really blew up and hit the bed.

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So if you're training for an ultra, everybody listening to this, yeah, volume matters.

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Like even if you're walking, go out and walk, go out and run, go out and do, you know,

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I don't do heavy carries and shit because I ain't got time for that.

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But yeah, just get out and walk.

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If you got two extra hours, you got an extra extra hour extra 20 minutes go go on a walk that's what I that's

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dude I did that over the winter freaking build fitness like a motherfucker I mean it just works it works

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then and back then too I was working out and like lifting weights working then I was working out more

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running less so you know and not to mention I was working out more, running less. So, you know, and not to mention I was working eight hour days and on my feet, a majority of those days. So I had time on feet, but most of it wasn't all running hours. But that was one of the most miserable races of my life because, like, I got, you know, IT band syndrome in both knees before the first lap was over.So I had to do the whole second lap with that pain.

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And it was rough.

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Like man, we and we this was the stupidest idea we ever come up with. We drove to this race from South Georgia, which was a 16 hour drive. And I because I think we were staying north of the race where we should have got a hotel kind of south of the race. So it was even further away.

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Right. And that next is like that next morning, like we finished the race. We went and ate. And then we went to bed.

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And we got up at like 2 a.m. and drove home. And we were in like a Honda Odyssey all day long, dude.

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We were so stov up every time we come to a stop. It was the worst idea ever. Don't do that.

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Fly to the races.

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Yeah, trust me, Sunday night, you know, because it ran Saturday, which is my longest run in the previous month and a half. And then Sunday night, I went to go step out of the truck after the three-hour drive back, then the hour drive to work, and then the five-and-half hour drive, my first stop. Dude, them carts, I swear to God,every one of them weighed 700 pounds. It was all I could do to get the motherfuckers to the lift gate to put them on the ground. I was fucking die.

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It was as slowest freaking,

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I had a couple fall off, you know, fall off the cards here and there. They may or may not got slung across the parking lot, but it was just, it was a rough night.But,

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you know, I wouldn't have it any other way. But, you know, I say, you know,if you can work yourself, you know, to, you know, and it doesn't have to be about the mileage. I would do it,do by time, you know, if you can. Yeah, time is better. If you can do like, you know and it doesn't have to be about the mileage I would do it do by time

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you know if you can yeah time is better if you can do like you know some hour

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runs during the week you know three times during the week and then on the weekend if you can get to where you're running for an hour hiking for another hour or two you know plan in that kind of three hour or like a half hour, a half a day hike where you might just kind of, you only run for an hour, but then do like a two or three hour hike behind it. You know, I'm not telling you to go run four hours.I'm not telling you to do that. But, you know, as your volume progresses, like I did a few three hour long runs TIME, you know, and it wasn't going out there and killing myself. I wasn't trying to hit a mileage goal. The goal was three hours of time on feet jogging. And there might have been some times where I was taking like a two minute walk in between like a 15 minute, you know, 15 minutes at zone four and take a two minute walk and recover and then repeat that, you know,with a warm up and a cool down. So, you know, stuff like that. But what I'm telling you is, is it doesn't have to all be running time. You can, you know, go run for an hour, then walk for two hours. It's a great time to put on your hydration vest, your camelback, and practice your nutrition. That's definitely something I need to do, which, and that's something that's probably why I can't figure out why I keep getting nauseous. I used to could eat anything and not get nauseous, but I never, I never practice overthree hours because that's just a lot.

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And usually after three hour mark in a race is when my nutrition starts to shit the bed.

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So am I going to start training over three hours because of that?

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No. No.

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I mean, I don't either.

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Like, I mean, unless there's a hike, unless there's more, unless it's going to be like half running, half hiking, yeah, I would do that. But no, I mean, I'm not going to.

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Even then, it's hard to find people who want to go out in the mountains for five hours.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And which is don't even wrong. I do it by myself sometimes, especially over the winter. I think I had multiple six hour days, five hour days, four hour days. But, you know, it does get, it's annoying when you want to hit everybody up and everybody's like, I'm going to do this 10 miles on the road. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go do like 28 in the mountains. But, you know,

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same thing, same time, I guess. Yeah. See, I mean, I don't think now last year, getting ready for

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Killington, you know, we were doing some long days at Stone Mountain LOC.

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We may have done four or five hour day there, but the difference was we were power hiking up a mile at Stone Mountain and then jogging back down.

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So it was half hiking, half running for this whole period of time.

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And that's what we were doing to get ready for Killington GPE.

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And there was a couple of days we hit 20 miles doing that.

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And there was a couple of days we'd only...

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That's a big day.

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Yeah. And it was just one of those things as we were going until we got tired of doing it or it was got too hot. Most of the days we'd only get like 15 or 16 miles because it would wear you out. And but that's what I'm saying is if if you ever see any time in a training run that of mine that goes over three hours it ain't all running I can tell you that yeah you know to summarize uh go outside and

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play for a really long time very often as often as you can yeah i mean finish your next

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ultra as long as you're doing an ultra like Fayetteville GPE or you're doing an ultra like newberry

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i mean you can probably finish those races power hiking very fastly you're going to be out there

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all day but you know I strongly suggest you get some jogging under you some trail running under you because it'll make the race a better experience for you you don't want to have to worry about time cutoffs the whole day you want to be able to stay in front of that all day

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and let's go ahead and let's go ahead and put this out there too because uh i keep seeing these anonymous posts in these facebook groups dude i don't give a damn if you're 300 500 800 200 pounds if you want to sign up for the ultra and go out there and walk your happy ass around every fucking obstacle now preferably you do do the penalty loops because that is part of the race but who gives a shit if you don't do them i get it people i've seen one every fucking obstacle. Now, preferably you do do the penalty loops because that is part of the race. But who gives a shit if you don't do them?I get it. I've seen one. I was like, oh, if, you know, they don't deserve the buckle, if they didn't do the penalty loops, hey, they paid the fucking money. They're doing the race. They might have cut some corners.But I'll tell you what, it's better than 99.9% of whatever else the rest of America GPE is doing. So leave them fucking people alone. Let them do what they won't.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I mean, they're out there.

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They're doing it, you know. Of course, you know, you're running open heat. I don't have a problem with that.

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Correct. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. If you're doing age group, you sign up that red head band and I catch you skipping a fucking penalty loop. I will call you out in front of everybody.

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Right. You know, and I didn't really hear of anybody this weekend doing anything wrong usually you do I didn't hear anything so I didn't either and the

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volunteers are pretty volunteers are good this weekend I was very uh they was on it

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dude shout out to the volunteer at the monkey bars I think he was the best one and that girl that was at Irish tables I don't remember she was on the first loop but she was she was really good like I mean she wasn't at the monkey bars. I think he was the best one. And that girl that was at Irish tables, I don't remember if she was on first loop.

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But she was there.

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She was really good.

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Like, I mean, she wasn't at the most popular obstacle, but she was making the best out of it. And then the volunteer that was at the monkey bars, he was, he was on it, man.He was on it. Did we have monkey bars?

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Oh, that's near the festival area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Brian skip monkey bars.

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Yeah, Brian's skip that whole second ultra loop. was having a bad race i was fuck these rules i'm out the one i won't dude and then they shut the monkey bars down for a little bit

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when that rain came through yeah i was i was seeing one bolt of lightning and i was like well

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there went to race and then luckily i think they only shut that one down i'm like that's pretty cool

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oh was there i didn't see the bolt to lightning

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I just I was wondering why they shut it down I didn't know it was like barely heat lightning

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beside behind some clouds but it was quite noticeable you know if they happened to be looking

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in that direction you would have definitely noticed it you know right so what y'all got

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coming up next I'm not doing nothing until Asheville GPE, homie.

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Oh, shit.

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Damn, when is Asheville GPE?

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August, first week in August DATE?

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Oh, hell with that.

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We're going to get you on an ultra.

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We'll meet up over the summer and go to a trainer and run or something.

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I don't know when it would be. I don't have anything planned.

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Well, if you ain't got nothing, that's what I'm saying. Well, damn, we'll plan something. Me and Mike can go out in the woods or, you know, for a couple days or something. Right.

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No, he doesn't make broke back mountain.

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As I say, yeah, not like broke back mountain or anything, you know, just we go get some.

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Damn, actually, y'all can take me to that stone mountain, Georgia.

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I've always wanted to go up there and run that.

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You've never done it?

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It's pretty cool.

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It's worth doing at least once.

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Right.

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It's like the best mountain to train for mountain races it's in south of the north georgia LOC anyway right what else we want to talk about

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the race y'all michael PERSON what did you fuel with? I fueled, yeah, big cock.

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Well, you know, in the morning I ate the bow-jangled Cajun Filet PRODUCT biscuit

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because it's just eating good.

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Amen to that.

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Yeah.

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Weren't you eating that on the way to the venue?

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No, he didn't they took the microwave. I was eating. I ate something else in a way of the venue? No, I didn't. He took the microwave.

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I ate something else in a way of the venue, too.

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I can't remember what it was.

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Yeah, I kind of snacking on something else after that.

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But yeah, I think my nutrition was on point, which it, you know, I typically on faster

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ultras, not mountain ultras because those are all suck ass anyway, but typically on those

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flatter type ultras, I do pretty good with my nutrition.

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I just did the little, the waist belt with the two little eight-ounce bottles back there.

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I had two loaded, had one two loaded up, one of them in drop bin.

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I think I put two or three spring energies in there.

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I think I put two or three spring energies in there.

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One,

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G.U. J.L.

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A couple of glutamine tablets and electrolyte pills.

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Something else, I forgot.

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I was just like little energy gummies,

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but I had the same thing in each little,

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each little pouch, and I basically went through all that stuff. So I never felt like crampy all over, I think there towards maybe the early mid-20 mileage DATE. I was able to run on those flat sections, like my upper hamstring, like right under your ass cheek, started kind of twinging up a little bit. Like, they're just fucking running that many miles,but nothing ever cramped up. So I think it worked out pretty good for me. Like he said, it's just, for me, I overheat anyway. So I was doing the same thing you were doing. I was literally taking a fucking bath at every single water station.

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I mean, I ran that whole second TIME. I'm telling you. Soaking wet.

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And it got so hot where I took my tank top off, just wet them bill of my fast stomachs hanging out a whole thing to lose. I can give a shit.

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Looks easy to me. Dude.

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Dude.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You better get that shit tan if you want to, people have not noticed it. So, Mary PERSON showed me some pictures you took. I'm like, damn, you could have got a better angle than that. You know, bad ass stomach. Then I'm hanging out. But, see, that's my thing.I don't like lifting weights. I'll lift the weights all through college. So I'm thinking I'm going, see, that's my thing. I don't like lifting weights. I lift the weights all through college. So I'm thinking I'm going to start lifting weights again and just try to get my other body bigger. Somebody fucking stomach, they'll look at fat, you know?

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That way you don't lose weight.

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I can still eat ice cream and it still looks proportional.

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That doesn't sound like a good plan.

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I don't know.

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I'm just some spitballed hair, you know?

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I think the best picture we got,

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Michael ORG,

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was the one I took and put with our,

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uh,

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our prediction results in my stories yesterday. I think it was the best.

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Oh, that was funny.

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Which one was that?

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What the one? He drew the hair in on me?

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No.

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You didn't draw the hair on that one?

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You didn't see the story I posted yesterday?

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Yeah, I can't remember that. It was the one where you took it from above I was doing a barbed right took took a picture of you're

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bald yeah and I put congratulations to Michael ORG he was the closest to his prediction you crushed it

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bro and it had a picture of John Travolta PERSON you know from pole fiction like he's looking for something

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and I had that circle going around that bald spot in your head.

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See.

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Well, what's so funny is that what's the guy Brian?

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What's his name?

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It's the photographer.

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Pick it.

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Yeah.

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He took a picture, posted it.

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And Brett PERSON tagged me in it.

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And it was just me running, going towards the ultra loop right there in that little downhill section after the water station.

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Yeah.

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And I remember seeing somebody taking pictures, but it was on the second loop.

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So I'm the only one in the picture.

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So I downloaded sent to Mary PERSON. And she was like, that's a good picture. I'm like, oh, fuck, I look ball-headed because my head's soaking wet. So I'm like, what hair I had laying down. My smart-ass wife actually texts back, hey, you should send that picture to Scott PERSON. Let him put you some hair on your head.

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That's like, I do.

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We're all a bunch of jokers in our road crew.

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I want to give a shout out to, what was Brian's last name who is in your age group,

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did his first ultra.

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What's his last name?

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I can't pronounce that a long.

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Kerkoba PERSON?

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I don't know if that's pronounced right.

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Brian Kekoba PERSON, sounds right.

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Yeah, the dude who introduced himself.

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Yeah.

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Dude,

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that was his first ultra.

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He crushed it.

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Yeah,

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what a beast going out there.

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Yeah.

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He's fast as hell,

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man.

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Yeah.

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So he'd messes me a bunch and asking questions.

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He looks like he lives weights 10 hours a week.

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Yeah.

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Like he'd asked me a bunch of like beginner questions and stuff.

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And,

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you know,

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I was all, you know, I'm more than happy to ask anybody that messages me.

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And he's like, man, I hate to bother you again.

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I was like, man, you ain't bothered me.

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But, man, I was happy for him.

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He went out there and crushed it.

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I saw him a couple of times on course.

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And then once on the second half, I didn't see him again.

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He was gone.

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See, if it wasn't for him and one of the person, if they wouldn't show up, I got third.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Damn.

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You almost had him.

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I got fifth of all the 11th, so I beat six people.

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Hell yeah.

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That dude Frank Castle PERSON, like I've met him.

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I mean, I've seen him at many races,

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but I don't think I've ever talked to him besides just, you know, in passing at a race saying, hey, man, good job.

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But man, he passed me on the second loop like he was still running his first loop.

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And I think he was top 10 overall, and he was in the 55, an up age group.

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And I saw him the next day in the super.

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And I think he plays first in his age group on the next day in the super and I think he placed first in his age group

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on the next day in the super he ran New Jersey ultra the week before and he was telling me that

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he was planning on going to Montana to do that ultra he's going to Fort Carson GPE do that

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ultra and he's going to Killington GPE to do that ultra too says he never misses it just hitting all the

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ultras man I do that, that's impressive.

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That impresses a shit out of me.

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What's his name?

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Frank Castle PERSON.

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Dude, that's the name of the Punisher PERSON.

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I think that's pretty what his name was.

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So he's the Punisher PERSON?

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No, he's not the Punisher PERSON, but that was the name.

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Hold on.

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Let me make sure.

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Now you got me second guessing.

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Yeah.

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Well, his name's Frank castle now no my bad john castle

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i don't matter how did i mix that up because frank castle is the same funny you said frank i

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what he messed the fucking name of the butcher i could just morning john if you're listening your

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name's frank every time we see you you're frank so i was talking to because his wife was right there at the finish line.

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And his wife said that, you know, a lot of people thinks that he's kind of a, he's a jerk.

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But he wears, he doesn't hear good.

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He wears hearing aids.

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So, you know, I don't know what that has to do with it.

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But I was, he ran by me and he was wearing those new VJ PRODUCT extremes.

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And I said, hey, you like those VJ PRODUCT extremes?

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And he was already ahead of me at that point.

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And he kind of turned around and stopped.

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And it was like, he said, do what?

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And I was, I mean, I knew he didn't hear me, but then it made sense once he told me that

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he was hearing. Dude, I'm going to start using that excuse too.

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Hey, who are you talking to, bitch?

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But yeah, John Castle PERSON.

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That dude, that dude's tough, man. He was, let's see.

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He was seventh overall. He was right behind Jared 622. I can't think what this dude looks like.

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He's shorter. He's going to be crazy. I just tried to what this dude looks like. He's shorter.

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Brian, you'll recognize him.

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He's got a black t-shirt on with a white skull on the front of it.

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We lost Brian, so he ain't going to hear you.

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And he probably has a bunch of guns on him.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why I was thinking Frank but yeah John Castle PERSON that's a good show it it was okay it was okay

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Mike well yeah I had I'm in a run around but yeah he's got he's got blonde

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hair he's he's kind of short I mean he to honest, he doesn't really look like a fast runner.

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But, man, he was getting it.

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He had a good time in the Super, too.

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Oh, man.

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But he impressed me.

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I think he impressed me.

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But so when we took off, right after, between the bridge and Twister PRODUCT,

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there's this younger kid that passed me.

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It's probably early mid-20s, Hispanic NORP kid.

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And bigger than I was, man.

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I mean, as fast as he passed me, he didn't look.

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I was like, damn, that big old boy can move.

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But, man, I get hearing come behind me, breathing hard,

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and just clopping with his feet, you know, but, man, he was fucking moving.

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So he passed me for Twister PRODUCT.

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I'm guessing he failed Twister because between Twister and eight-foot wall, I heard him come past me again. Somewhere after an eight-foot wall, he passed me again, so I'm guessing he felled eight-foot wall. But didn't have any I'm guessing he felled the eight-foot wall. But didn't have any hydration, nothing on. But he was running his ass off.And dude, I ain't a joke. He's probably a couple inches shorter than me and easily 2.30, 2.40. But then I called it with Luke PERSON.

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And then I was like, hey, I said, see it, kid the pair of that dude's already running his ass off. I said, he's already failed like three things. He keeps passing him this early.

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And Luke PERSON made a comment. I wonder if he can keep that pace up. I don't know. He's, you can do it right now. But man, on the ultra loop, when we were climbing up to get to that ridge point, you know,

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it's kind of a little sandy section, maybe 20 foot tall.

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I start getting up to it. Man, he's sitting there scooting up it backwards.

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I was like, oh, hey, so I stopped. Say, man, you're all right? Well, he said, he's cramping. So I gave him a couple of, a couple of tabs. I said, here, man, I can spare this right here for you. You can't do that.

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You know that right. Well, I knew I'd brought a little extra, though. So that's, I said, hey, no big deal. And I was feeling good at that point.

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But, man, plus, dude, him, hell, he is six and a half miles in at that point. He was already cramping. Dude, that didn't got hot yet. So I felt bad for the kid, man. But I saw him later in the race, and I saw him up and moving. I don't know.I wish I'd got remembered the bid, and I can't remember if he finished or not, but man, if he finished, he had a long-ass day.

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I know Izzy rolled his ankle coming to monkey bars on the first lap

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because I caught up with him and I saw him hobbling and I was like, dang, man, I've been there. I know what he's going through.

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Yep. But he tucked it out and he out he finished yes that's a good thing I like about you know we talked about the distances me personally I don't mind it being longer than the 31 miles

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but I just heard a lot of people complain about you know the distance especially on that second

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loops and and the beast people.

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I'm like, no, man, we've got, you know, five or six miles ago. Well, why am I? It's longer just staying there with it. So, I can understand where they're coming from, you know, then you start looking at hydration. That's why I made that comment.

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But, um, but fuck I've lost me down,

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Trent PERSON thought.

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It's not a surprising thing that

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yeah really I've been working for almost 14 hours now dude

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so yeah

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but fuck I don't know

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what hell I was going to say now great podcast material well

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I mean it's like I was

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saying earlier

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I'll tell you what

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uh

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go ahead brain is 31 too. Well, I mean, it's like I was saying earlier. I'll tell you what.

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Go ahead, brain. This is 31, prepare for 35.

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Yeah.

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I don't think we've ever had one that was that far over. But I mean, it's, I mean, the only way this, to me, the situation is this.

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If you said, I'm doing my first first ultra when you come back home and you tell

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everybody you know what it was a 33 mile race it was supposed to be 31 it just makes you look

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that much more badass that you finished it yes I know sounds better I like watching people

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right the con in this situation is you made it to 32 miles and you got cut by a time hack.

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And I'm sure that that's rough.

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And that person's probably maybe super pissed saying, well, if it was a 31 mile 50 EVENTK,

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I would have got my buckle at my first, at my first Spartan Ultra, but I didn't if it was a 31 mile QUANTITY 50k I would have got my buckle at my first

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50 at my first Spartan Ultra but I didn't because it was a 33 mile QUANTITY race when they told us it was 30.5 so I could understand both sides of this coin but

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you know quick pause that person go what a that person and do that do it do it

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do

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repeat that

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sir

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can y'all

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yeah we can hear you now no

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probably not can you really yeah

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barely oh okay

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how about now yeah sounds good basically okay Barely. Okay. How about now?

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Yeah, sounds good.

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Basically, okay. I was like, if you're that person, way to go, way to make it that far, train hard again and go do it again. That's all I'll say.

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That's all you can say. That's what, that's my point a minute ago, watching people struggle and there, especially in the race where it took me almost nine hours and me looking at people going, hey, it's going to take them, you know, 12, 13, 14 and seeing them still out there. I mean, good for them, you know.

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I know when it's when you always pass that first ultra person when you're on your second lap,

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and it's the first person that's still on their first lap you know the last

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person in the the ultra heat i don't know what you're talking about yeah you can you can see them

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walking there and you're like hmm i know what they're thinking they're already just walking really

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slow and i mean you can already tell that they've pretty much already quit but I mean all you can do is just run by

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them say you know good job ultra keep pushing it ain't over yet and that's what I say to every single

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one of them I go by that is still in their first lap when I if they look like they're struggling

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always run by them and say that. Hold on.

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You see me struggling and you bust my down balls.

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It's because you're you.

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Dude, if Michael ORG, if you're struggling, we're literally going to kick you while you're down because it's fun. Right.

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But anybody else will lift them up.

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Well,

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I come in the damn ball wire the second time. Scott PERSON says, Michael ORG, what's taking you so long? I'm getting my damn money's worth. I'm over there. It's like, Michael ORG, I'm taking you so long? I'm getting my damn money's worth.

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I'm over there. It's like, Michael ORG, I'm taking pictures of you're bald.

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I swear to God, man. I was taking a loop when my foot tight enough on me. I couldn't jump up to do the eight foot wall. I couldn't jump to do the seven foot wall. I was taking the fucking tour of Fayetteville GPE out there. And all the one country loops I was doing.

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Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you. What obstacles did you fail?

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Uh, first round, uh, just Olympus ORG and, uh, stairway because I physically, it hurts my foot less to run and put in that position and try to climb. And then the second time around those two, um, the two 70 foot walls, look, I couldn't,I couldn't jump rope right now. You paid me a thousand dollars. I couldn't jump rope. Um, and then actually fell off of, uh,beat her, which I never do, but that was right when the damn rain shower was pouring down. That thing was soaking ass wet.

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So my hand slipped off of it.

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I remember back the day when we first started doing this,

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like Michael ORG would make all the obstacles before I would.

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Now the times have changed.

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Well, at first year, I couldn't even get my fat ass up the damn walls, remember?

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I can't get up there.

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Are you talking about eight foot wall?

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Eight and seven, you'd give me them boost.

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Dude, to, to this day, the hardest eight foot wall I ever jumped up on was that eight foot wall at Durham town in Union City, Georgia.

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Because there was a puddle of mud underneath it.

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That was the muddest race I've ever done.

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There's never been a race that was muddier than that one.

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That race was worse than sharp than trial in 2019.

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And that and like the mud,

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there was like this,

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there was probably like six inches you could see up underneath the eight foot wall.

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I think it took me like three times to get over that wall,

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but I finally got over it.

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It was tough.

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Yeah.

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So I had flashbacks of my very first Spartan NORP races when I couldn't get over the walls.

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But remember in 2015 when we did Atlanta and you come to the walls and it was back to back walls. You had

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six foot wall, then maybe like

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a car link and a half, then you did

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seven foot wall and then like another car link and a half and you did

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the eight foot wall. No, I do not remember that.

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We don't remember that. No. That is badass. I've never heard of that.

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Yeah, but I remember. You've done 200 races? No. Close to badass. I've never heard of that. He's done two Spartan NORP races.

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Yeah, but I remember. You've done 200 races?

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No.

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Close to it, yeah.

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I'm at,

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close to it.

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I'm at 189, I think.

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Oh, shit.

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Damn, I'm like 70.

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I'm counting extra laps, too.

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So there's been a lot of times I've ran four laps of a sprint in one day.

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Yeah, yeah. But still, damn it must be one. I'm in the 160, I think. Yeah.

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I was hoping to get at 200 this year, but I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it because I was hoping to get more laps at Palm Beach, but I was having that pain bother me. And I didn't get to run the super and the sprint this weekend either, so I don't know if I'll be able to do it.

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Just do four or five at Killington GPE.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I still want you to come up there and do Killington GPE.

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I think you would love that race, Brian, but I think you'd hate it, too.

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No, it's definitely my type of suffering, so I'll get out there way if I don't get.

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I'm slowly, but surely getting drawn more to the trail world. Man. But I swear to God, one way if I don't get. I'm slowly but surely getting drawn more

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to the trail world.

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Man.

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But I swear to God,

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if Spartan NORP don't make a new obstacle,

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I'm going to lose my shit. Please just make something new. Anything new. I don't care if it's fucking, you got to stop and play checkers for five minutes. Just make something new.Anything. Dude.

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Brian, did you ever run, Brian, when they had to do the memory test?

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No, no. Yeah, I was probably in elementary school well they said well you you didn't have to if you were running elite you didn't have to do

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the memory test that was only for open waves yeah

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over in Greece GPE I think you still they still have a test that's like that.

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It's not like the one we had here.

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It's a different memory test and the elites do have to do it.

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I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they do have that over there.

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But, yeah, it was like you had, it was a word and like, it was almost like a phone number, right, Michael ORG?

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It was your last, is your, your first two digits digits of your, of your bib and last two digits, wouldn't it?

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Do you remember the two words or some shit like that?

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Yeah, it was the word and then the number.

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And you had to sit there and recite it to yourself the whole time. And then that later on in the race, you didn't know what it was. They'd ask you what it was. And if you didn't know what it was, you had to do 30 burpees. But it was all open wave. And then somebody took a picture of that banner. And it was like if you didn't know what it was you had to do 30 burpees but it was all open wave and then somebody took a picture of that banner and it was like the same banner at all the races and it got out on all the Facebook groups so everybodyknew what it was and then people started writing it on their arm with a marker yeah you know it was lame too I miss the Tarzan PERSON swing I wish they'd bring that back. I agree. That was cool.

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That was Atlanta the first year we'd done it, wouldn't it?

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Mm-hmm. Oh, you remember that one, but you don't remember the three walls stacked.

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Well, because the Tarzan PERSON swing, we had on several. Yeah, that thing was fun, man. You can get your ass hurt on it, but yeah.

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We had it at Atlanta.

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We had it at Charlotte, and it was at Ohio GPE, and then I don't think we ever saw it again after that. Yeah.

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That's pretty cool.

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Because it wasn't at Durhamtown GPE. It wasn't at Alabama GPE. What else did we do that year? It wasn't in Carolina GPE.

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They don't see how you remember those venues to me years.

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I was not to say, I don't know, man.

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I barely remember what I'd done last week, much less six months in a year.

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I remember, I remember all the races from our first, I mean, because that was, we did three trifectas in the first year.

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They were all open heat.

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Those are easy to remember.

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Yeah.

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I did Atlanta. I didn't know you. I did Charlotte back to back Saturday and Sunday by myself. And then we did The Beast WORK_OF_ART before we did a super. And that was where we met you in Ohio, Michael ORG. Yep.And then I forget which race was next. I think Asheville GPE was next.

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Y'all did Asheville GPE. I did Virginia. I did. You did Virginia because you were in a baseball tournament.

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I had that Dunkin, Duncan Donuts ORG, get together.

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Oh, I thought you were to baseball thing.

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And then me and you did, we did Durhamtown,town Alabama GPE and we did Dallas we flew out we flew to Dallas that morning rented a car went and did the race came back to the airport and flew home yep in the sameday and like a big rainstorm hit then and it was only like a freaking 11 and a half mile QUANTITY beast but we still think we got most of the obstacles in. Yeah.

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And then we did the Carolina beast at the end of the year.

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And you had to do the sprint the next day because you didn't have another sprint.

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That's when you were volunteering being addicted.

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At the eight foot wall, I was not being a dick to everybody. People just took it that way. Yeah.

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Not you. No, I was like, I was just like, I was like just, I was kind of like, you know, I was into it.

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I was like, he was so fucking into it.

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I was like to hear him coming.

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We're family.

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Help each other.

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It's what we're here for.

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Yeah.

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I was into it.

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I like volunteers like that because it takes my mind.

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Right.

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The pain and suffering I'm going

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through.

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Everybody remember me.

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Some people loved it.

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Some people hated it.

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We're a family.

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I guarantee you back then was when the volunteers could help the racers.

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Now they don't want the volunteers to help racers.

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I was more sore from helping people get over that eight foot wall. I was covered in

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much. I bet I helped two to 300 people get over that eight foot wall that day. I'm not kidding you.

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Scott PERSON, that actually makes me think you're a decent person. I mean, you're not, but it makes me

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think you are. Your mom thinks I'm a wonderful person.

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It's a wonderful personality.

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Before I lose signaling this gorge of death

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of this rolling roadblock

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for the past 20 fucking minutes

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but why I don't

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all right so I mean I had plenty of people

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offer me sunflower seeds shout out to that woman whoever she is goopags I mean so what is the role why is there a role saying that you can't hand people stuff?

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Is that an insurance thing?

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Like,

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somebody got fucking hurt.

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Um,

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I don't think you're not supposed to take any outside help.

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I mean,

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you're self-supporting.

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But what, what is there, is that, but is there a reason for that rule or is it just, oh,

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you're smart. Is that the reason for the rule? Didn't, uh, wasn't somebody helping somebody on monkey bars and they were on their shoulders and they fucking flip off?

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Oh, I thought he was talking about, he's talking about fueling.

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I'm talking about fueling and shit like that.

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Oh, oh, oh.

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Like I wonder if somebody, did somebody give somebody an ibuprofen and then they overdosed on it?

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And next thing you know, it's like, whoa, whoa, don't take anything from anybody else.

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I think it's just one of those things where you have to carry your own fuel and you can't have other people outside help for fuel.

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I think that's all that boils down to.

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Me personally, I think that's a stupid rule.

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I think, yeah, I mean, to me, I just don't, I don't agree with that.

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Well, I'm sure everybody's broken at some point when they've done Killington

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because at the top of the death march of Killington GPE,

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there's always people out there like handing out candy and stuff like that.

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And even, dude, if I would have told yes, like, I mean, I didn't take any fuel because I had fuel.

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But if somebody would have given me fuel, I'm sure nobody would have actually enforced that,

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nor would any other racer who's really racing give a shit.

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I was just wondering why I was an actual role.

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And technically, you know, candy is not fuel.

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Okay.

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But I don't know.

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I'd have to go back and,

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I don't think it says the reason why,

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but I'm pretty sure it says that.

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But it's one of those rules like, you know, used to when they would send out,

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when they would send out the race day program

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for the ultras

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you were not supposed to have an ultra bin over seven and a half gallons and now you'll see

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people bring in a freaking fucking car to a rolling truer i think i saw one guy bringing a roll in Yeti PRODUCT, man.

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What was, what did that?

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What did Jimmy have that one time?

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What did he? He bought a Yeti PRODUCT.

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He bought a Yetty five gallon bucket.

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He's so boogie.

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Yeah.

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It's like a hundred dollar bucket.

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Yeah, for a fucking five-garn bucket.

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That means his name brand.

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So, I mean, God PERSON forbid.

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Yeah, I was just curious on that.

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Because, I mean, dude, I won't lie.

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When I have extra fuel, it's like, man, and, you know, I don't, I don't, I ain't

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saying I would never break that rule.

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If you need help and I got something fucking here, you can have it.

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But that is, to me, that is a weird rule for Spartan NORP hack, because it's technically all

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about the community. So it's like, hey, it's all about the community. Let somebody give somebody in give somebody fucking jail like I said it is I don't think I've ever seen it in force but I was just curious you heard it here first guys Brian's a cheater

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if you see me and you need it fucking come get it I'll break that fucking roll if y'all need to go back I gave that kids and them uh brine PERSON will break off a piece of his kit

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cat boy that's right he'll share one of his ding don'ts with you

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hell yeah many of y'all are in need of some ding dong sharing you know it's the it's the bat

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size so don't worry yeah right you won't you won't fill up on it all right

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we've been talking about this for a long time is there anything else we want

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to add about Fayetteville guys real quick congrats to Preston Hart PERSON on

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winning the beast because I said he would and I was right let's be honest I'm

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never wrong and congratulations don't like a struggle correction you were wrong about four hours and 58 minutes TIME.

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Continue with what you were saying.

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Congratulations to Mike Strobel PERSON.

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I'm pretty sure he is the only person that ran the ultra loop.

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And not only did he run the ultra loop for the beast race, he ran it backwards,

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which means he went through the obstacles backwards, which I find fucking hilarious.

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He didn't do, he didn't do the whole loop.

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Oh, I thought he said he'd done the whole, well, what do he make it to?

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Barbwire?

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No, he didn't make it to an obstacle.

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He made it to that ridge line that we were talking about that we liked.

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And then he turned around and went back.

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Oh, damn.

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Well, I'll take my congratulations back.

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He should have fully committed at that point, ran it backwards.

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Dude, you know how funny it would be to watch him go through barbed wire the opposite way and be like,

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what the fuck's this guy doing?

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That'd be hilarious.

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I'm sure.

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I mean,

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he probably realized when he saw one of the aerosigns turned around point in the other

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ways.

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That's probably what he realized.

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And he still plays second,

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I think,

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in his age group.

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So that just goes to show that he's way too fucking fast.

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But,

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yeah.

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Yeah,

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that was a bummer for him,

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you know,

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making a mistake like that. And that was, well, that's pretty early in a beast.

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So, you know.

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Yeah, but it was a long enough mistake to where it kind of put him out of the race for the most part.

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Oh, absolutely. But it was. But it was early enough in the race to where, well, maybe I can stay in it. Maybe other people fail stuff

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and i can get back in you know that's true that's right but bully for him for you know trying

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to push through that ooh i do want to shout do another shout out for uh Greg hurst who stayed with us he's from he's from Ireland i always see him at the palm beach LOC race and i think he did the Fayetteville Ultra in 2021, or 2022. I can't remember. But anyway,

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he stayed with us, and he came to packet pickup, and he was going to buy, he was buying the venue shirt, and I was like, man,

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it's bad luck to buy the venue shirt before you do the race, man.

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And he, he's's like and he bought

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it anyway and I forget what he said and he's like well I guess I can't it's like I guess I'm going to have to finish it you know he said that he got he got so hot that he took like a 20 minute break and like laid under a tree Michael ORG passed him didn't even know he passed him and he said the whole time he was laying under that tree. Michael ORG passed him, didn't even know he passed him. And he said the whole time he was laying under that tree, all he could think about was how I said.It was bad luck to buy that shirt back. Pick-o.

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He didn't fuck that man's whole mindset up, Scott PERSON. Damn.

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Yeah. Dude,

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was it last year or was it a year before?

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We were walking through the Killington GPE area?

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And I was hollering that out walking through there. Everybody was in line to get the venue shirt. And I was like, it's bad luck to buy the venue shirt before you do the race.

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Everybody was giving me each shit looks.

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Yes, I fucking bought it and given that shit to you.

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You damn sure did because you didn't finish race.

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That's a danger. I was supposed to say that's to you. You damn sure did, because you didn't finish race. Dude, that's a danger.

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I was supposed to say that's a gamble.

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I made sure when I got my Georgia death race tattoo,

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I scheduled it for the Friday after the race.

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That way I didn't DNF, like a retard and then fucking,

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and then go get it, you know, which I could have changed it, but still, I was like, nah, can't be doing that.

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It's bad luck. Absolutely. I know Michael bought it on Friday too and I was like dude it's bad luck to buy it he's like well I left in the bagand bring it back and I said I'll just buy it from you if you don't know

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I don't know if I've ever bought a fay it I mean I don't know if I've ever bought a V shirt honestly I think I may have bought one for Palmerton GPE but I'm not sure

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dude I bought the one in Atlanta because I had that skull it was cool

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what yeah you didn't see it no and that's probably

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the best weekend I've ever had a race and hell I might go back online and get that

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one that sounds pretty cool yeah I think it was like it had a skull he had a cowboy

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hat on and it had two spears crossed in the background it was cool that sounds

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like some shit I'd get tattooed because it was because wasn't it for St. Patrick's Day

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or something too I think it had four leaf clovers on it was cool. That sounds like some shit I'd get tattooed. Because it was, because wasn't it for St. Patrick's Day or something, too? I think it had four leaf clothes on it. It was cool.

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Cowboys from Ireland GPE, Pantera ORG version. That's what it sounds like. It's real.

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And Brian, tell me if you think my joke's funny. So, because is this appropriate?

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Greg is from Ireland GPE. Okay.

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Oh, this is a stupid joke.

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No, it's not, dude.

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I already know the joke, but go ahead.

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I'll let you slide.

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Go ahead.

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It says, hey, are you from Ireland GPE?

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I have my penis is doubling.

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You have my penis doubling.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's the pickup line.

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You must be from Ireland GPE.

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You got my penis doubling.

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That's a stupid Michael ORG joke right there for everybody.

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All right, guys.

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I think that's enough for now.

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Peace.

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Congratulations.

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Everybody.

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Congratulations, everybody. Way to knock that shit out. If you DNFed, I'm sorry. I'd be an F like 100 fucking times. You'll get it next time. Yeah.

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Blame Scott PERSON.

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Blame Jason Barnes PERSON for making the race long. Hell, blame everybody but yourself. It's all everybody else is.

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Don't worry about training.

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Just show up unprepared and you'll be fine.

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And go out as fast as you possibly can, right, Brian?

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Yes.

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Pop-Tarts and Monster Energy ORG drinks. We pick up, Brian, at the hotel. He's outside sitting on the curb with a cooler drinking a monster drink with his shorty little skimpy shorts on and his ultra penny on. That's right.

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That's right.

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A little scampy shorts and a fucking little getaway sticks.

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He's got to. You know we're making fun of you.

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He brown looks homeless out there. Yeah.

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Michael, I literally look homeless every fucking day of my life DATE.

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I have no idea what was different that day. So, yeah.

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And then Michael ORG ran over his damn foot.

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And, uh, yeah, if you're listening to this, wish me look, quest for the crest. I'm going to try to, uh, mosey my way under 10 hours this year. I think I was like 10, 15 last year. So we'll see what we can do.

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What is that?

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Um, not this Friday, but next.

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Or not this Saturday, but next.

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I'll be with you there in spirit. And my birthday will be that Friday. I'm like, do you know last time I didn't work on my birthday? I can't fucking tell you, but I ain't got to work that Friday night during packet pickup. And I get to go suffering the mountains for like 10 hours on Saturday.

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How old are you going to be 16?

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The big 3-0, junior, the big 3-0.

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Oh, man, your life's about start going downhill.

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Yeah, I hope she will get you a birthday cake and some cupcakes and some candles, Brian.

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Dude, if I have one more bad fucking race, I think I'm going to go give me some testosterone.

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I can get him a Spider-Man PERSON birthday cake.

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Spider-Man PERSON.

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First of all, I would get Spun Bob way before I got Spider-Man PERSON.

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I don't like any of that gay comic book shit.

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I prefer cartoons myself.

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That makes no sense.

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Yeah, I know.

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All right, guys.

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Yeah, huge shout out to all the listeners.

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I bet I talk to more listeners at this

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race than any race ever ever i didn't know that many i mean i all i nothing that gets your

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podcast i just didn't know that many people listen to podcasts i reckon or cared that we actually

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get on here bullshit it is pretty cool having people been like oh listen to the podcast yeah yeah

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y'all are fun and most of the ones i got were like you ain't going under suball are funny. I'm like, and most of the ones I got, we're like, you ain't going under sub five,

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are you?

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And I'm like,

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fuck off.

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Yeah,

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if y'all think we're funny

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on the podcast,

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y'all should be around us unplugged.

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Yeah.

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Oh, God.

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We have to get all the nasty shit out

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before you start recording these podcasts.

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Really?

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Michael ORG has to get all the nasty shit out.

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No.

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Here's Scott PERSON before every,

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we started.

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All right,

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y'all,

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you're ready.

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I'm about to hit a report, record button. So you've got any, any's Scott PERSON before every, we started all right, y'all, y'all ready? I'm about to hit a

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record button. So you've got any

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any foul, basically foul thing you're going to say, go ahead and get it out. Me and Brown PERSON's

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top page, bitch, bitch, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yep, exactly.

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And y'all still manage to

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smut it up. Y'all still have to smut it up the whole episode either way. No, we do not. Sure you do.

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Colorful language and funny jokes are not smutting it up.

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Whatever. All right.

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Colorful language. All right.

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Peace out, y'all.

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All right.

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You're so.

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Hope you enjoyed the recap episode with Michael and Brain PERSON.

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We have a lot of fun doing these episodes,

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and it looks like they're getting longer and longer.

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Like I said earlier,

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maybe one of these days we'll be able to have one where Brian's not driving a truck

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and Michael ORG's not working with subcontractors while, you know,

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we're recording but anyway I just

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want to congratulate everybody got their buckle this weekend it was a tough race it was hot race it was a humid race and you know it was longer than a 50k and like we were saying in the recap you know it's it's cooler to say yeah I did more than a 50k than to say, I was just short than a 50K. If this wasn't your day and you didn't finish the race, lick your wounds and get ready forthe next one. Newberry is at the end of the year. You know, there's plenty of time to get more time on feet and prepare for it. Like I said, I want to thank everybody who came and talked to us at the race and just appreciate what we're doing here. We do this for fun and we enjoy it and we enjoy meeting new people in the community. And having this podcast has done a lot of that for me.Most of my friends, some of my best friends are because I do this podcast has done a lot of that for me. Most of my friends, some of my best friends are because I do this podcast, and that's one of the reasons why I keep doing it. I want to thank Jason Barnes PERSON and his staff for putting on a great race. There was no complaints. I had no complaints of the race this weekend.I mean, to me, it was a great race. The course was great. It was marked very well. There was plenty of water stations, you know, and these are the questions they always ask you in the survey. I don't have any complaints. I mean, I can see where people would complain about it being long. And yes, it was long, but, you know, it's not the first time we've gone to a race and expected it to be one distance and it'd be something else. And back in the day, they used to never tell you what the exact distance was.I remember us having five-mile sprints and 11-mile super. It's back in my day. But anyway, I want to just shout out Jason Barnes PERSON and the staff. They put on a great race. And I want to do a out Jason Barnes PERSON and the staff they put on a great race and I want to do a huge shout for bear start line MC man he's great he's out there screaming his head off all day long I don't know how he doesn't lose his voice for doing it he alwaysgets every single heat going out pumped up he does us a great job getting us ultra's pumped up ready to get out of there I appreciate what he does he's a good friend of mine But anyway, we'll see it next race that's a few weeks off for me. I'm not doing my next race until Asheville GPE which is actually trying to start with the Asheville But anyway hope to see everybody there follow us on Facebook and Instagram and I will see you at the next race Peace WORK_OF_ART on Facebook and Instagram and I will see you at the next race peace