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If you're from the future, you know what to do. It's your ass out of it. Don't disrespect the leg. Hip hop is here to stay. Let's get right into the business. What up, y'all.Welcome to another episode, a bonus episode of Hip Hop Now WORK_OF_ART podcast, a podcast specifically designed to keep you caught up on all things hip hop music and culture. A big shout out to the Patreon ORG supporters past and present. You're watching on the video scrolling down there at the bottom who have supported the podcast over at patreon.com slash hip hop now. If you would like to learn more about that, the link is in the description of this episode.Also, we're on the road to 500 subscribers. Slowly getting there. You know, there was a point where this channel was like 100, 200. Now we're like 420 something. So we're getting there. So if you watch this podcast, you enjoy it.If you listen to it, even if you never tap into the video, maybe you watch YouTube ORG sometimes. You can go to the channel and subscribe. The link is in the description of every episode because it's really how the channel grows, people sharing. And most importantly, statistically, about 58% of the people who have watched my videos over it in the last 30 days are not subscribed. And they may love it.They may like it. You know, they may come back for more. And if you're one of those people and you enjoy what you've seen or what you've heard so far, hit that subscribe button, hit that like button, comment. I read the comments. We respond.It's all about engagement. We're going to talk about certain level of engagement today. You know what I'm saying? So if you scared, go in the house. Go in the house. You don't understand these bars.Just go in the house, Shorty. We tell you when to come back outside.

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For real.

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Because it's about to be crazy. So as we did before in this podcast, when Jay Cole PERSON apologized, I had the homie Tony of Into the Dome.com and Kill PERSON of Apartment 5B on to talk about that. But in that episode, I felt like every five minutes, I was like, me and the homie, I, me and the homie Ack PERSON said, and then we, Ack is here, y'all. He's here.We already done talked about it we're going to get into it but real quick this is the homie he is a lifelong hip hop fan he's been a producer he's been a rapperhe's been the longest tenured host of the legendary strictly hip hop in Baltimore 10 years any from the town Akanola was good brother man thank you man of the legendary strictly hip hop in Baltimore, 10 years, any from the town.Aconola GPE was good, brother.

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Man, thank you, man. Thank you for having me, Chief. Really appreciate it, man. Anything good, man. Anything good. We had to talk about what's happening in the culture today, you know, what's happening today.

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It's always something in the culture, you know, what's going on today, you know, what's happening today. It's always something in the culture, you know, what's going on today, you know?

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Right.

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It is, look, I pride this podcast on keeping those who are not always informed on everything or just one of a certain perspective, but specifically those who, you know, you know, life, things get in the way and maybe you still love hip-hop, but you're just not in it in the same ways you need to know. So to get you caught up real quick, you know, there's been this whole back and forth with thisrecords, from Jay Cole to Drake to Rick Ross PERSON, and then you had some offshoot situations for which we ain't going to discuss because we don't trust it now. But we don't care about what they're rapping about, to be honest, you know. But this specific battle, as you know, you watched the other episode, Jay Cole PERSON just tappedout like, yo, what am I doing? I'm out. Peace. Y'all can have it. Drake ORG kept going. He put out a song called push-ups.Allegedly he put out Kendrick PERSON AI distance towards him. Allegedly, because we don't know. And then he put out a song, Taylor PERSON-made freestyle, where he used AI versions of Tupac and Snoop to basically show their disappointment in Kendrick PERSON and really trying to lure Kendrick outafter Kendrick PERSON set off the whole thing with his verse off the Metro Boomin ORG and Future album the song called Like That WORK_OF_ART, right? And we got some info about that straight from Kendrick PERSON. But everybody was waiting. Yo, Kendra got 48 hours.He got two days. He got to do this. He got to do that. And us old heads are kind of like, yo, sometimes they don't hit when you expect them to until it's a Tuesday. We drop unexpectedly like, you know what?

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Shout out the big.

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That's what we know.

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Right, right.

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That's what we know.

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All this, we know that, you know.

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Right, exactly.

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And look, for anybody who's younger or just, you know, just not used to what used to be

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and what is now, blah, blah, blah, just to talk about how long he took. Drake ORG, and I got to credit academics for this because this is where I heard it, but Drake responded to Kendrick's, like that verse, within 21 days. Kendrick responded to Drake ORG's response, push-up within 17 days. Kendrick responded to Drake's response push-up within 17 days.So all this, y'all, he lost what he waiting for. He did it in last time. Does that make you feel better?

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But we ain't going to talk about it.

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We ain't going to talk about it.

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We need to talk about it.

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Without the janky rollout too.

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Without the confusion, without the deception,

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isn't this, isn't that what's, no, it's on his page,

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you know, his, his YouTube, it's his.

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Right.

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It's his, it's him.

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We don't have to try to figure it out and do, you know,

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calculus. Like, no,

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it's him, you know. Right.

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It's on his YouTube page.

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It was on his Twitter. Trust me,

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when everybody said, especially complex,

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yo, his

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response is out, but they hadn't posted

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it. I was like, well, where

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is it? And I went to

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YouTube ORG and that's where I found it. Then I went to his Twitter and it was right at the top and I was like, well, where, where is it? And I went to YouTube and that's where I found it.

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Then I went to his Twitter and it was right at the top. And I was like, yeah, because he don't tweet every day. I was like, this is him.

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This is him for sure.

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And we haven't checked the numbers because we know y'all care about that. But we're also, we're just going to talk about the bars. So I'm going to talk about the bars. So, Ak PERSON, I'm going to just ask you. First time pressing play on it, especially now haven't had time to really digest.What do you think about Kendrick PERSON's response, given everything that's happened since then, since everybody's responded basically, specifically, Drake ORG.

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Yeah, it's crazy because, you know, as I'm listening to you and we kicked this off, I'm like, yo, did we even mention Shorty name? Like, yo, the boogeyman? Like, yo, it's the Kendrick Lamar PERSON response Kendrick Lamar PERSON kind of kicked this into a firestorm withlike that and kicked up dust and you know Drake ORG was like all right I'm with that you ain't kicking up that much dust let's go and then like you saidwith the rollout and you know AI track leaking and then the official leak. And then he goes and actually makes an AI track. And now, all right. Kendrick has responded within 17 days. And press and play, it's like the initial approach play it's likethe initial approach it's like all right I don't know what they expect I knew I was going to get a drop though I knew it was going to drop

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you know I'm like yeah the beat is going to drop

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and it and it's it's likely this is what I was thinking before it even before it even dropped my anticipation. I'm like, yo, he's probably going to run with this style that he's been rapping with his cousin, baby Keem PERSON. Right.It's, you know, it's off kilter, but yet sharp. And then you have like these heroic horns, you know, the family ties. I'm like, if he does something like that, you know, that would be dope. Can he do something like that?

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Can you do that and make it a response slash battle rap? Can you do that? So that's what I was,

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I was thinking he was going to do. I was thinking it was going to be challenging, but I'm like, yeah, if he gets that off, that'd be dope. So we got the buildup or we got the initial intro with the, with the smooth you know sample track. This is like, yo, I'm just talk to this dude real quick.

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And yeah, that was my initial

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thought. I'm like, yo, he's talking to him right now. Like, and then he even has something he says, I'm killing with kindness. He says something like that In those first couple of bars.

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So, yeah, it's all a setup,

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you know, then for the initial drop. And it would light clock where I'm like, there go them horns. There it is. I'm like, okay. So he really, he really going to go there.He really going to take it there. One thing I will say, you know, I know people are going to, people are going to probably disagree with it. You know, I'm seeing some of the responses and the reactions out there. And I'm actually, I'm glad that he chose the approach that he chose, like the beach selection, and he went with that kind of family ties style. You know, like, I just did.I think Drake ORG, you know, battle-wise, and maybe some of the hip-hop heads, you know, were maybe expecting him to come with the boomback. You know, I think that's what they were. And that's easily like, oh, man, he on his rapidy rap. You all think it's the 90s.No, he come with the style that he's doing right now. And it's the style that he's, you know, some could maybe say it's experimental or, but it's the style. This is the mode that I'm in right now. And he chose to respond to, you know, in that mode as far as his approach. So, you know, that was my initial thought, you know, from beginning, you know, to the end, just thinking about the approach, it's like, okay, he's, he's staying in that same bag. Like, so, and, but at the same time hitting on a couple different audiences.Right.

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Because you got the grown man bars, you know, but then you got that kind of

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Marsh Pit ORG rap, rah, rah, you got that. And like, in some of your delivery, it's like he weaved in and out of it. Because some of, sometimes he's just talking to, talking to you. Right. You know, like it's not as

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ra, rah, or turned up as like that. It's, like it's not as rah, rah,

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or turned up as like that. It's, it's aggressive, but it's, I get, he toned backsome of the aggression so he can get some of the more complex

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bars off,

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you know, so that was, that's my, my initial thoughts.

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Yeah, I totally agree because it's sort of like J. Cole with seven-minute drill did something similar. It's just that the bars weren't where we expected them to be. So the impact was light, you know, in comparison. Because I think in a lot of ways, to your point, yeah, we was there for the boomback time. So we know we was there for either.We was on the radio with all of that. You know what I'm saying? Talking to the people, the hip-hop community, you know, doing the tallies and the votes and roundtable discussions and all of that like on fm radio right live when it was happening so we was there we know what happened

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so also outside for the i was in queensbridge when the bridge is overhead and it was like funeral for the entire projects it was just like yo y'all ain't here oh y'all ain't here? Oh, y'all ain't here? Oh, yeah, I did. Okay.

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So I feel like to have that, like to your point, to have the expectation for any of these guys, to be honest, to just go and,yo, let me go get a boom, bad beat. Then they're really only trying to impress us, to be honest.

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But when you have a beat like that, that's kind of the vibe now that, you know,

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a younger generation can get into, but the bars are there for us to be like, yo, he said, blah, blah, blah, and we'll get into some of those bars. I totally agree. It was probably the right move.My first initial reaction, honestly, I laughed because of how people said, like, Kent PERSON, you're going to respond with some alien noises. And I just think that's the funniest thing in the world. So, you know, when some of those popped up here and there, I chuckled.

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But when I started listening, listen, I was like, oh, there's a lot here.

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I'm missing a lot. Like, on this initial listen, I know I'm missing a lot. I only really caught, like, one bar that kind of stopped me in my tracks. Like, oh, wait, what do you say? So, yeah, I agree. And I think with push-ups, the Drake ORG drake dish this he kind of did that likethis beat is more of a vibe of what i do and what people know so they're kind of thinking of like um but i let's just get into some of these bars man because i think what was being missed by like obviously we're not going to convince anybody to like anything regardless because we are fansof these guys. You know what I'm saying? But it's a battle. And it comes down to judging the bars. That's what battle rap is about. So all the antics, likethe one that we mentioned with the AI with Tupac and Snoop PERSON's voice, which was pulled down from his accounts because of a cease and desist because you just can't do that. I'm just saying, especially with Tupac, his estate just wouldn't have any of it. This brought it back to we rap it. Yeah.

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Like you said, the rollout,

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there was no confusion as whether it was Kendrick PERSON or not because he uploaded it. He didn't send it to some podcast or some YouTuber ORG or somebody didn't find it and blah, blah, blah. It came directly from Kendrick PERSON to the people. And most importantly, it was on streaming serviceswithin like an hour or so Drake ORG took a while to get there which was surprising because you know Drake ORG he could get his drain up there Rick Ross PERSON was up there quick like butwe kind of saw what what homie was doing so I let's just start getting into the bars because I think this is just a, this is a nasty record when you start to break down everything that's being said. What, what are some of the lines that stood out to you?

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Well, you know, the parking sun, you know, that was, that was crazy to me. You know, they must got dementia, things get shaky. I'm parking sun, you know, that was, I'm like, all right. You know what I'm saying?

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That's, that's crazy.

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And then, you know, the whole, and this is the beginning, this is when the beat first drops. That's when he started to open up the bar bag.

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You know, open up Pandora ORG's box and start to reach in and get the bars.

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You know, the initial intro, you know, he's setting up the whole, you know, this is an actor. I'm kind of just sitting back looking at all the shenanigans go down. And then when the horns drop, okay, it's time to wrap now. And, you know, we got the Parkinson, we got the, you know, pot turning over in his grave. You know, I mean, we got the, you know, pot turning over in his grave. You know, I mean, we got the, you know, you should, what did he say? The, you, you, I want to see you push a T. You know, you better offspinning back, you know, with him, then, you know, than pushing me. Yeah. You know, then, you know, drop the brother government, you know. But, you know, but, you know, with him, then, you know, they're pushing me. Yeah.

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You know, then, you know, drop the brother government, you know.

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But then compares himself to Terrence Crawford PERSON.

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I'm like, oh, man.

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I'm like, okay. We really.

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And that definitely hit home for me because I'm an Earl Spence PERSON fan

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so it's like damn so you know this is Terrence Crawford did we doing that like yeah

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like damn

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yeah pretty much

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and I don't know if we mentioned this for people watching but it is the cover of this episode. The name of the song is Euphoria WORK_OF_ART, by the way. And on a cover, it contains synonyms for Euphoria that had basically quotes. And all of this speak to everything that's being said.And most importantly, two things, because you know the internet, we know that Drake was a producer on the HBO ORG show, Euphoria WORK_OF_ART, which some say contained a lot of child pornography. Yeah, but, you know,it's kind of a reach in a lot of ways because it's kind of like, that's not what the show was about, but it contained that, right um and today is the day

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hitler PERSON died oh and they're trying to tie that to it and i'm like right like what so i got to listen

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again because i'm like wait a minute is there is there east egg LOC in there somewhere i missed oh man one of the the the only line that caught me off guard the a minute, is there East Egg in there somewhere I missed? Oh, man. One of the, the, the only line that caught me off guard the first time, which I had to go and tweet about it, was, yeah, my first one, like the last one is a classic, you don't have one. Let your core audience stomach that, then tell them where you get your ads from.

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Now, for those people who are listening to this Kendrick PERSON thing,

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and really some people can't get into the delivery, but they also don't understand they're missing some of the bars. Let's just break that down just a little bit for you, all right? So my first one, like the last one, J-Cole, even Drakeke were saying the first one is a classic but your last album was garbage meaning mr morrow big stepers kentrick cabar PERSON's album wasgarbage so that's him both my joints are classics right that's what he's saying um saying you don't

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have one because that was a debate online like Like, well, how can you say that?

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Because do you even have a classic? Most people have a favorite. Like, take care is my favorite Drake ORG album. But it's tough to really say what's a classic and what is it if you're not a mega fan. You know what I'm saying? And the last bar was the one that I had to hit Rewin WORK_OF_ART.I had to stop it. I was like, yo, I got to stop because did he say what I think he thought I said, or thought he said, let your core audience stomach that. We're going to stop there for the slow people in the back. Stomach, right? Core.If you work out, that's your core. You got to get that straight. Usually you can't really do much and nothing else if that core ain't straight.

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So stomach and core.

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Let them ask you where you get your abs from, right? Abs in that same core stomach area. And we know, because people were saying allegedly, but we saw it. Drake ORG got some fake abs installed, and he took a bunch of beauty photos, but maybe he had some stomach pains, according to Rick Ross PERSON.

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And, you know, supposedly got him removed.

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And I'm thinking somebody.

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What?

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Well, yeah, Rick Ross PERSON said that's why he dressing funny at his shows now with them big jumpers in. Oh. Nip cage, you know, hoodies and shit he got on saying that.

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Oh, no.

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Because he can't wear anything tight if you've ever had surgery, even if you had. That's the BB out. They BBL. They can't. Oh, that's crazy. Even if you've had a hernia surgery.Yo, you got to put the sweatpants or something on the drawstring. You don't need the tight

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belt. Like, oh, no, you know, that can't be true, y'all.

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The big pants and all the photos, y'all. Like.

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Oh. So I've seen that that like some of the reactions from the from the YouTubers and stuff and the internet and shout out man because you know you know no make no bones about it we we we we we here to get into the algorithm you know I mean we got it we We, we're here too. You know, you know, so, but I've been watching some of the, the reactions and, and some folks have a point of contention.Ah, man, he's saying the same thing Rick Ross PERSON said about the abs. And, you know, like that was, that was whack. That was lame. You know, we already heard that before. And it's like, it's like this, man. Like, I get that.I understand that. We're talking about what? I don't know.

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Four or five bars, you know, like four, maybe six bars at the most, you know, that, okay, we heard something similar with Ross. But I think what people are forgetting with this whole, or maybe they don't know, but with this whole emceeing and rapping

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and stuff, a lot of it is how you say things too, you know, it ain't just about what you say. You know, shout out to the brother, Nas PERSON, like, no idea is original. You know what I'm saying? It's not what you do, but how it's done. Like, yo, that's, that's, that's just what it is. We need, we need to stop, stop all of that, you know, like, you know, and, and, and, and, and, like, yo, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, we need, we need to stop, stop all of that,you know, like, you know, and, and again, like you say,we can't make people like what they don't like, but it's like, yo, come on, you know, um,another, another thing, you know, I'm, you mentioned it earlier. I'm, I'm getting flash mentioned it earlier. I'm gettingflashbacks with this whole situation. Like you know, we've been here before. We've been here before now only time to tellI'm not saying that this is ether. Time will reveal. You know. But we've been here. It looks similar.I remember this. I remember the glazed over looks in some folks' faces. Like, I don't understand. When ether, I don't understand. What was the big deal? It's just all right to me.I remember, I remember this, yo. Right. I remember to me. I remember. I remember this, yo. Right. Right. I remember, yo. I remember. I was dead. You know, and now we get, and I'm seeing it again with this. Oh, you know, it's mid. I don't, you know, and it's like, yo, man, you know, only, only time I tell. But again, when we're talking about battling

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and this competition between two MCs,

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like you said, it's the bars. And we can take it a step further. It's the rollout. It's the songs, the beats. You know, all right right we got two tracks to compare towe got two

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rollouts

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to compare to you know we got bars delivery to compare what are wewhat are we talking about here what are we really talking about like and I don't want to, you know,derail because I know we got much more to, you know, to discuss. But, you know, overall, man,

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after thinking about this, I think it's going to come down to people's, like, preference,

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you know. Oh, definitely. I think it's going to come down to people's like preference you know. Oh, definitely.

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I think it's going to come down to people's preference.

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But you can't wipe away history. What's done has been done, you know, and, you know, Tom Attell PERSON and things will come out in the, in the wash. But I think, you know, right now with the reactions and things like that out in the in the in the in the in the wash but i think you know right now with the reactions and things like that is it's it's what people prefer yeah because i mean honestly

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you know when you look when you look at the reactions to like that and then you look at the reactions to push up. It's not necessarily a divide, but it is, right? They are just certain sect of fans who just don't like Drake ORG. They just, they don't like anything about him, anything against him they are for. They just don't care. Honestly, that's cool for them to have their opinion, but I don't basemy opinions off of them because I know what I like about Drake ORG and what I listen to and the things I respect, including the battle rap stuff, like back to back and dupy freestyle and stuff like that. Where you got busy with it, right? But we also know people on the other side who feel the same way about Kendrick PERSON. They don't really like Kendrick PERSON and stuff like that. So they really here just to pick aside and argue on social media all day about how much money people got and who did what and rumor and speculation and what somebody said and what somebody have and they don't really even know that. Like, it's just wild.But I did a lot of, like I was talking to art earlier. And I was just looking at responses, not only from the general public, but also from notable emcees who I follow.

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And some were committed to saying some stuff like Jay Rock PERSON talking about, you know, he fried

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him and put him in the hot grease for six minutes and 30-some seconds and fried him crispy.

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And I'm like, he's going in.

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Or like Chey Noir just saying something quick like Kendrick PERSON did that or whatever. To Mad Skills saying this is what we're looking for. in a while just saying something quick like Kendrick PERSON did that or whatever to MadSkills saying this is what we're looking for and honestly I think it's what Drake is looking for alsobut he was so anxious at not hearing anything and probably like Winson

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and the blows and the blood we didn't even mention the real

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blows because as much as to Ox, as much as he touched on things that Pushy or Rick Ross PERSON have said, he still said it in a way that was impressive. But more importantly, y'all looking for new things. What about that cease and desists of the Like That WORK_OF_ART record? Y'all ain't hear that one? It's in the same song. There's a history with Drake ORG that's kind of being revealed that really don't have anythingto do with us. It's just from a industry standpoint. Now, Ack, let me ask you this, right? And, you know, obviously we can get more into the music, but with this joint, it just feels like it's so much more than that. When you look at how people say all these guys piling up on Drake, this also happened before. It was the same thing. Jay-Z PERSON had everybody

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came out, Gaze PERSON, they would call him everything,

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Gazy, Cisco PERSON, and it was just like, wow, it ain't just Naz PERSON, it's an onslaught. And it made you think, what is he doing that have all these guys who we had no idea, didn't really mess with him like that, coming out and saying, yeah, Nas PERSON, like,what was it? So with Drake ORG, when you look at all this cease and desists and, you know, blah, blah, and also sent a feature request to Kendrick PERSON. That was in the song, too. Yeah.

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What do you think about just what's being revealed beyond, you know, the songs with all these, you know,

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artists and producers going that journey? Yeah, man. It's, it's crazy. It's crazy.

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And I just doubt these things would be mentioned in the record if it just wasn't authentic, if it wasn't true.

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I just don't got Shorty, I don't got yo doing that.

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I don't got, you're just going to make up the whole cease and desist thing, just because it sound good? No, I think that that was a thing. And so that speaks to the whole scheme of Drake ORG playing rapper. I'm playing

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like I'm a part of

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this culture. But really I hear something that somebody said that I don't like, oh I want to send in the lawyers and the, I want to sit in the record label. Hey, no, they got to pull that record.

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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I, you know, I thought, I thought,

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you know, it's time to get on the clock. When the record couldn't get pulled,

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it's like, okay, let me,

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well, let me dial up so-and-so

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to get me over some, some heat

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so I can respond to do. You know, okay, I'm showing my, my, I guess my bias, because I think that that's what happened. I mean, we know that Drake ORG has a history of ghost writers, so I think that that's what happened. I mean, we know that Drake has a history of ghost riders. So I think that that's what, I think that's what happened.Sorry, but I'm not sorry. You know, that.

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Right, right.

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You know, so when the cease and desist didn't work, it's like, okay, now you have to fight. You got to fight. You got to come out of the porch. And, you know, the thing is, again, with the cease and desist news, it just makes it disingenuous. Because from the beginning, when Drake ORG responded, listen, I did not like the rollout. I thought all of that was corny. I thought all of that was whacked. When Drake ORG responded, listen, I did not like the rollout.I thought all of that was corny. I thought all of that was whack. The whole AI and, oh, you know, that wasn't the full track. I just did not like it. Okay. But I respect that he responded and he came back with a response.I do respect that. But then to hear that there was a cease and desist, then it just, for me, it just nullifies. Again, you just plan at, you plan at this culture.

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You plan. You're not really you you're not who you are who you

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portray yourself to be yeah it's it's really bad because for for anybody watching especially one

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particular dude pulled up in my last episode and said you you know, I got a man crush on Kendrick PERSON. I just thanked him for his comment. Thank you for pulling up, dog. You already, we already got your money at the door. Okay. Have fun.We don't acknowledge you, okay? But what I want people to get from this is these are the things that are being pilled back about a person that is trying to cover up things. Because that's what you're doing. When you do that, you're trying to stop something from becoming bigger than you and impacting your situation, your music, when it should really be about that. Like, honestly, if Drake didn't respond and he dropped a two-step jam,I'd just be like, well, he bowed out, but this joint does sound crazy. Yeah, he back on his, he back on his Drake ORG. He back on his.

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Right, get your money.

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I'm not mad at it. This is what you do. Keep us dancing and with our hand waving an head.

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Right. Oh, man.

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Right. Just know when you step off the plane,

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extortion is my middle name or whatever he said.

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So, you know, Cali is no fly zone trait. Sorry. But, yeah, I mean, one of the things also that it, again,a song with some of these things that are more revealing than the jokes within Kendrick PERSON's disc because people like to hang on to that because I get it. It's funny. Me too. I like humor.

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But just having

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major podcasters say yo I just text Drake ORG. He said that was like Drake ORG just texted me back said it got some nuclear for you in that's a play in itself because you know these cats have followings you're sending the record directly to them because you want them to do the work of you knowpromoting and making it big and making it seem like this big thing.

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Yeah, they did their job, you know, as far as that.

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But now, for example, using academics, because I got to give him a shout out, like, I felt like if I could go to him, I'd know what's real at least, you know, and to look at random posts And to watch him get the Drake ORG disc This and you know he playing and he breaking it down And then he get the Rick Ross PERSON disc directly from Ross And he playing that and breaking it down But Kendrick PERSON like, nah, you get it for meAnd then it puts everybody back in that space of neutrality and like okay you go to the store just like we go to store you go listen just like we listen or we listen together and it just to me it it just doesn't look good for Drake ORG to have all these other antics in it when it should just be about the bars. Like what we say, everybody is student of the game to a real student pull up.

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This is what a real student does.

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And you know, like I know, Drake ORG, you probably got another one.

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But before I even say that,

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let's really, like, let's talk about not necessarily responses, but, well, yeah, let's get into that because I don't want to talk about this other thing to the end. But let's just talk about basically where Drake is at this point when a record like this happens and it feelslike the majority of the community of hip hop fans is looking at it like, wait, hold up, am I frozen? No, you're not frozen.

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Okay, I'll cut that out.

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40. When it looks like the majority of hip hop is responding positively and breaking down everything and saying you lost. But more importantly, whatever you were holding on to, there's a lot of things you have to address. And I'm going to just say a few real quick right before we come to you, I.

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Because there are things that you haven't

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addressed like we get it something you just heard the song drake PRODUCT so there's some stuff you got addressed but there's a couple of themes right because we know he probably addressed his son's situation by taking a lot of photos with him right you know hey y'all here you go he with me with him, right? You know, hey, y'all. Here you go. He with me. Thanks, Pusher PERSON.Put me and my son's life, you know, outside. Not that he wouldn't have done that, but you know, now you had no choice, you know, because now people don't put your business out there. But that,the abs, he can address it if you want to or not, you probably won't but most importantly the N word Rick Ross PERSON talking about what he only referred to you as white boy now

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and then Kendrick PERSON like I don't really like when he say the N word

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maybe it's just me we don't want to hear you say the N word. Maybe it's just me.

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We don't want to hear you say the N word again.

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Ah, how do this? If you, if you and Driggs PERSON can't, and he's like, yo, I need the ghostwriters to form like Voltron. Ah, how do I respond to some of these allegations?

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Hmm.

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I mean, I think what he may do,

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he's going to try, he may, and he may not.

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But what I think would typically what they may do is just try to come back with you try to acknowledge like oh you woke you got these woke bars you won't want to hit

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under that woke i think that's what they may, that may be the angle.

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But it's like, I'm not sure that that's going to work like the, you know, the cat is out of the bag. Like, you, that aspect about you, we just keep shining the, shining the light on it. And like you said, it hasn't been addressed. Like, right. And it's this whole theme ofof blackface. Like, yo, you putting on. Like, you really not, you're not, you're not, you're not one of us. You're just trying to play. Like, you plan like what you're not you're not you're not you're not one of is you just trying to play like you plan like what you think with this this culture is like okay this is what they would like

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and i mean not what they would like i guess they do like it because, you know, with, what is it,

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sexy red, you know, she's successful. She's, she popping right now. So I guess that that's his example.That's what he could point to. Right.

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But,

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um, even with that, with, you know, Kendrick PERSON addressing that in a roundabout way, like,yo, you, you, you, you, you, you yo you you you you're giving props and you you you you you um you speaking on these relationships and youyou you you're promoting all the messy stuff

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and yo we ain't we ain't really we ain't feeling that

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so again if is Drake ORG's camp, they probably gonna come back like you woke, we don't want to hear none of that dog, you know, and it's like, I don't think you can get that off.Yeah.

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It'd be tough to get that off because he said so

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much, right? Because if you try

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to make it woke, well, what's woke about telling you there's a no fly

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zone you're going to get extorted as soon as you step off the plane like what are you going to say

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they love me and cali when he's like yo we don't like y'all he's using canadian slain

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like keep him up there don't come around here we don't care if you don't like the west coast

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we good like it's just to me in a lot of ways um just really quick kind of doubling back like because the ghost writer thing was another thing he's never really completely openly addressed yeah most rappers could be like yo my pin game is insane or something like that.

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But, yo, you got Yadi right for you. Yeah.

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I don't, yeah.

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My God.

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Like, he need the sauce.

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Like, you clearly need the sauce, yo.

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So what do you, like you sauce like you clearly need the sauce yo so what do you like you

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in push-ups

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you you was fighting back

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and it looked like like

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yo you know

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I'm the one you come to

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for the hits like

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so he was fighting back

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like now I'm I'm the sauce

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but it's like no you're not the sauce if you need, yo, like the reference track is out there.

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So you're not really the sauce like that.

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Like, you need help with the sauce.

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It kind of explains a lot too, Ak, because on this podcast, I've given Little Yadi a lot of grief.

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He's just becoming the poster child

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for what I think is whack and new

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right

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and especially when he was

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like yo I'm this I'm that

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but I know why he's saying that because

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if you writing hit records

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for this dude and your

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own may not be popping but you know

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yo I wrote that y'all love that record

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I wrote that you feel some kind of popping, but you know, yo, I wrote that. Y'all love that record. I wrote that.

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You feel some kind of way. Like, yo. You know, like the worst thing that can happen to Drake ORG is if that dude start talking. Oh, no. You know what I'm saying? You may have, too.You want to get started. I wrote this, wrote that, blah, blah, blah. And I think one of the things I wanted to say as far as, like, the exposure of Drake ORG, you know, his tactics have been seen even on lower levels, right? And in some cases, rightfully so. I feel like, yeah, you know, boxing as an example, you can watch whatever, whatever you wantto watch from boxing on YouTube ORG, free of charge. It ain't tied to nothing, right? Yeah, maybe they got to blink out of HBO or Showtime here, but there's just no licensed situation came in that in the way it is for like a WWE or UFC or NBA ORG stuff like that. People have to license that stuff to use it. And with Drake ORG, you use a beat on social media. It's going down or it's getting flagged.So I get it for him, you know, I don't think nothing's wrong with that. But I think once you start to, again, use, is similar to the J. Cole PERSON thing, using that legal leverage to try to get things to happen, but then posing, like, I'm this casual, and all I care about is my pin game and y'all don't know. But you're using other tactics.And some people would say, well, it's chest, not checkers. Nah, man, we never believed in that Jay-Z won the war stuff. It's stupid because he didn't just apologize back then. He apologized

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recently, right? At a show where he was like, I should have never done that because he

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care about hip-hop. Now, we're happy it happened because it was a dope battle. But again, with somebody like Drake ORG, it's just exposing aside to him that he know, that's why cease and desist is damaging to his image. You know, it could make people like, yo, you're not really full of culture. And with the N-word situation, when I first saw the video he used it like my son would say he no he used the hardGER why are you talking like that you know my me and my niggers like really that's you just really did you you missed you failed a testin your black class or whatever. And it's documented.

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It's documented. And it pops up every time.

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And that's exactly why Kendra PERSON was like,

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I don't really like, he literally took a break in and so on. I don't really like when he say that. Like, I don't like the way he sounds when he says

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that maybe it ain't that deep but i hate it right right i hate that i just hate the way i don't

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yeah it's it's crazy too because again those are the things that resonate with people

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and it becomes relatable right like again we're fans of hip hop.

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So if Drake hits you with a bar that flips something Kendrick PERSON says in the,

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oh, wait, we're going to be like, hmm, that one was mean right there.

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Yeah, that old, the mic, the mic, Jack PERSON, what do you say, what do you say, what's a, what's a, what's a, what's a, what's a, what's a, what's a, what's a what's a a a prince to a king a son that was hard right right

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that was that was and that's the kind of thing we expected you know what I'm saying

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but when a dude brings in this is why you got to address it Drake ORG when a dude brings in the

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the integrity of your pin game by having ghost writers,

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it just makes future and Metro Boomin's ORG bar even better.

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We don't trust you. We don't even know if you wrote that because what else is documented eye,

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he's been seen with some of the greatest ghostwriters of all the time.

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He even was hanging around that scene for a minute. And it was well known and they would never say that because the bag is a bag.

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And, you know, some of that hip-hop oomph was coming from them, you know.

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But it's insane when you think about it because again it's hip hop we all enjoy hit the like button comment here let us know what you think about some of the things we're saying um so let me ask you this act you kind of touched on it earlier when it's all said and done is this one of the best disc records of all time? Or do we anticipate that coming from either Drake or Kendrick PERSON?

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Wow. Is it the best of one of the best of all time? I think you got to give it time. I mean, I know I like to listen to it. I know it's a dope song. Best of all time, man. I don't know. I don't know, man. I don't know, I don't know, man.

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I don't know, man. I don't know. I think Drake ORG could respond, but I don't have him responding with the best.

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If he does, I would be impressed. But I just, I don't have him responding with the best. If he does, I would be impressed. But I just, I don't see it. I don't see it based on push-ups. I don't see it. I see with this record, this now when you, it's, again, I'm getting ether vibes.This is another vocabulary word within the lexicon of hip hop. Now, only time to tell if it's going to have that last thing, but I'm getting that vibe. Now, every time you see that word, we got to attribute it to him now. That's just what it is now.

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Yeah, I think we already did, to be honest.

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Yeah, I think that, I think that's what it is. Like, you're going to think of, you're in this culture. You're going to think of, damn, yeah. Remember when Kendra got at, yeah, that's when, when Kendra got at Drake ORG. Again, when we're looking at rollout and things like that, push-ups is not giving me the same.It's not giving.

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Like the young, it's not giving me that.

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You know what I mean?

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Euphoria.

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Yo, that's, again, in the lexicon, you know,

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I don't got people saying, oh oh you got euphoria and all of that

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i don't think we're going to take it there but now when you see that word it has a different

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association now yeah i agree and honestly for people watching it's it's less about

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what we feel about it and really honestly watching the reactions across the internet. And those reactions that seem honest. Honest doesn't mean you prefer Kendrick PERSON. Honest means you're really breaking down what happened and how you see it, whether it's each side.Some people can't really get with the delivery and didn't think it was that crazy. I don't see it being one of the greatest of all time because I still feel like the control verse hit me much harder than this did. I think as far as a dissection of somebody, which, you know, you can say ether was kind of the same thing. I just think it had a different impact. Because for those kids watching, the reason why some of these old heads are not impressedand calling the whole thing saw for everybody light is really because of the production, to be honest,

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because that's where it starts.

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The production is more of a vibe,

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a dance, a bounce.

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Most disc records weren't that. Like, No Vaseline PRODUCT was over a jazz band, but it wasn't an old party when you was listening to those lyrics.

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You didn't say, oh, I like, you know, disco jazz. I like that joint note. It was like, lyrics you know what I'm saying you didn't say oh I like you know

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disco jazz I like that joint note it was like did you hear what he said um so the beat or like

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when jade kiss responded to Beanie Siegel PERSON you know I'm stunting on you on the disco beat it wasn't the

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beat it was the fact that like yo he going crazy on this joint and I think that's what

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Kendrick PERSON did and I think it's going to. And I think that's what Kendrick did, and I think it's

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going to be memorable. I think it's one of the better disc records, but I just kind of feel like control was just more like, and I guess it was just the energy.Again, when you look at, listen to the takeover or you listen to ether, those beats sound like something monumental, like there's a big battle happening.

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They have a big sound to them.

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Whereas these are more like, you know, I'm flexing and I'm gonna kick a little rap about him while I'm in here vibe into this track. But I think Kendrick PERSON's sitting on that one. I think he's sitting on the grimy joint because there's no, and I think Drake ORG,but see, this is the thing with Drake ORG, man. Because of the euphoria, there's no way you're sitting on something that addresses everything there.

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No way. You got to go back. Right.

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You got to go sit back down and that i think that's what

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crazy about about kendrick is he he addressed everything that was in push-ups because you know there's the the mythic the mythological you know and and even i i was thinking that like oh yeah if he if he went in with control you know he probably just been laying he probably got stuff that and no that's not what this was this was the response to everything yo said in push-ups everything with a with a sprinkle of here's what i what i think about you initially like you got that set up in the beginning but then everything else was like a response to what he was to what he said in push-ups right like trying to imply that you being that he's

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being extorted you know give me 50 and it's like oh i don't want to hear all that you being, that he's being extorted, you know, give me 50.

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And it's like, I don't want to hear all that. You get off the plane. That's my middle name. And then shout out, yo, shout out who you saying is doing that to me. So all that, we just nullify all of that, you know.

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So.

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And look, let's just, let's just be clear top dog tweeted we remember everybody who said something where you stood so i mean i'm not

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quoting him but he basically said that he's and he didn't say it in that way like we saw

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everybody and i'm okay, so you think

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but again,

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when you sitting outside

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of it, we think you win it. But it's clear you're sitting outside of it and trying to say, oh, this one and that one and this one. But all of them don'tlike you. It just makes it seem like you making stuff up around yes, men. See, at least with Jay Cole PERSON, he was trying to do something hip hop. He just fumbled it.And maybe that's why he apologized because he truly was never into it. That's why he wrote that. Obviously, he waited for us all was never into it. That's why he wrote that. Obviously, he waited for us all to tell him it was like. Then he said that. But, because then you would have never put it out.But with Drake ORG, it just feels like if he responds, it has to address these things on a certain level. Like, honestly,it should probably be less vicious and more. Honestly, if he talked more about, I mean, trust me, in the hood, they're not going to care. But if he talked more about, like, what it's like to be a mixed child and have to deal with people telling you you not black, oh oh that's a different

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feeling you could earn a couple people with that like damn i never even thought about that yeah

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you know yeah like you could you could literally you could turn them on you said drake PRODUCT y'all hit me up

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hey i need a couple stacks though though. Don't tell nobody.

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Like, you don't tell everybody else.

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But Kendrick PERSON, I'm still with you, dog, but I will write against you, though.

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Drake ORG, holl at me, you know.

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I'm kind of dark-skinned, you know, so you got one.

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But, you know what I'm saying? Like, use that against them, right?

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Like, yo, look, but start getting into the history. Like, you got a black family? Tell,like, unless you just shunning them, tell them about that. Like, yo, my aunt,TT PERSON used to do this and blah, blah, let get into it. I'm black too. Like, go there.Yeah, I would be impressed. Yeah, but he

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can. When you say me and my... You can. So is it there?

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Based on what history

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shows, is it there? That's the question. That is what, you know, basically with Kendrick and Rick Ross PERSON and all of it, it's like, was it ever there? Or this was just a, you know, rap endeavor. This was just an initiative on your, on your vision board.

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Well, well, look, okay, let me ask you that. Do you think based off of, not even just the disc records, but just the history of this cat and things he's done and said and moves, do you think it was ever there?Or is it like, you know, like to your point, something that's being used to, you know, capitalize off of, basically.

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On face value, it looks like business moves to me on face value.

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You know, we go from Texas to Patois and, you know, I'm down with the Jamaican NORP. And it's like we're doing all this hopping around, but then on the tape, you sound like that.

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And it's like if Aunt T.T. and them, if you was really around them, like, you know, you had no business, you had no business with things being communicated that way.

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Right, right.

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You know, so it just makes me think that, no, you know, this is, it's business. It's an opportunity. Hip hop is there. You know, I've got a look. I'm talented. I can sing. It's business. Let's get to this.Let's get to this money. You know, some people may go as far as to say a plant and things like that for those, you know, those people that want to do theories and things like that. But it just looks like business to me. You know, it's two different, two different approaches when we're talking about the two MCs, two different walks of life.

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And I think authenticity is, authenticity is in question.

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Now, if we're saying, you know, authenticity don't matter. I just want to feel good and throw on the track. And I just want to bop my head, you know, if that's where we are in the culture now, then, yo, yo is king.You know, but if we're going to get to, you know, we're going to get to the 90s, you know, real, recognized real, keeping it real. Right. You know, he's not really, he's not keeping it real. If you are sending out ceasing to sis on one hand, but then on the other hand, I'm going to put the battle together, and you're telling, you know,you're telling academics, oh, yeah, that, like that, academics, you know, they say, yo, you better respond, you got to respond. And his response is, you must not know me well,or I'm on that. Like, when was this was this before

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or after the cease and desist right I think you make a great point because it's it's fair to assume it was before because Rosenberg PERSON said this on Twitter but I had already been thinking it. I just, after a while, I was exhausted talking to, you know, these random one-track mind people either way. I didn't like how it felt like Drake was thirsty for Kendrick PERSON to say something. And where I'm from, where I'm from, and some of you are from,that's nervous energy for you to constantly, yo, where you're at, oh, I got a Compton GPE sweat on. Did you go to Compton GPE to get that?

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Yourself?

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Because that's the thing, right? And really, we can't blame Drake ORG for the antics because really 50 cents started those kind of antics with all this extra stuff around it. But he was just,he was funny. He was funny with it.

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Like, you know? He was funny. And the authenticity, it just felt more authentic, man. It,because I mean, you know, yo was getting in the knife fights and getting stabbed it's like yo they he really

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you're really like out here trying to

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he's wilding and he don't care

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and in one end he's kind of keeping it light and humorous

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but on the other end there's all this danger right it's like

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you know we don't hear we don't hear anything about, you know,

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somebody might type in the comments, but, you know, I don't remember, yo, trying to put, like, a cease and desist out on Jada PERSON kiss, like, yo, you got, you know, I mean, he, he did threaten, Like, I'll push styles out, like, it was like a bar, like, not only with, you know, the violence, but, like, I'll push, push, like, his album back.

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Not just, you know, so, like, I got some juice over here, you know.

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So, but that's the thing. He put it in bars. He didn't actually good.

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I think some of it, though, is like if you look at the Rick Ross PERSON situation, right? He basically had a sketch comedy show going parallel to anything he was saying.

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But I think is what a generation

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latches on to about the battle, right?

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Because at one point, no rapper in the history of battle rap referred to sales as the reason why they was better than their counterpart. They just battled them. And a comedy usually came from,you know, how a person looked. You know what I'm saying? And Star Trek PRODUCT Shades. I think that's what LL said about Kumod PERSON and stuff like that. So it was it, but that's the nature of it, right? There is some comedy in it.But with Drake ORG, he just was like, I don't know why he would think knowing he does cease and desist like clockwork that it would be okay at this moment in the history of music, especially when it's been done to him of people using your voice, your likeness without permission. And he knew it was wrong, but why did it come out? You know what I'm saying?Because it was really about trying to reca come out you know what i'm saying because it was really about trying to recapture what he did with back to back but kendrick ain't meek right there's not a you can only come up with your personal opinions about him you can't come up with anything that we can point at and said yo he is, he is kind of like Twitter fingers. So that's a hard line. Yeah. The Nicki Minaj PERSON is better. Is that your world tour,

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your girls tour? Like, yeah, that's complete facts.

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You know what I'm saying? You're trying to allude to all these things with,

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uh, with Kendrick PERSON. But in a lot of ways he's kind of

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plugging those holes so you can't even get in like

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Yeah he nullifying it

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which is

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so

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you know are we chalking this up to all right this was his rebuttal this was the rebuttal track not the response but this was the rebuttal I think was the rebuttal track. Not the response but this was the rebuttal. I think so. Because

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you look at it, I mean, in a lot of ways when people were like, yo, he got 48, well, Kendra PERSON got 48 hours and, you know, two old Drake ORG, they were respondingto a verse. And they put out full on songs, basically. Or Drake ORG put out full on songs basically or Drake ORG put out full on songs two songs just one you'll never find because it don't exist anymore ceaseand desists okay but now you have a rebuttal to Drake ORG with this joint which is like six minutes and the rumor is that it's even longerthan that and that's probably what we're going to get we're probably going to get another beat switch to exactly what boom bat want

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who is saying this man

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what is going on like

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it's an EP

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this man that made an EP

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see that that's why Drake ORG could

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come back like yo okay dog

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you got a lot of time when you're, you're thinking about me a lot. He didn't made an EP, you know.

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I think that's why I felt like Drake ORG needed to relax.

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He should have just dropped push-up and just wait it.

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Yo, that's my light jab. Let's go, you know.

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But constantly, you know constantly you know

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posting on social media posting pictures of yourself with the Compton GPE join on you know then dropping this AI thing and thinking it was going to be ill but it really didn't hit that wayit just he kind of made himself look crazy and meanwhile Kendrick PERSON like this. Oh, he says. Oh, oh.

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Oh, you're done? Oh, okay.

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Oh, he did the track with who? With what? Where? Right.

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Oh, it's gone now? Oh, all right. Right. So it's.

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On the way. I got something on the way. Like. Right. All right. It's time now. Oh, that does. Oh, they took it down. of the way. I got something on the way. Like, right.

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All right. It's time now. Oh, that does. Oh, they took it down.

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Oh, the family said, okay.

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All right. Right. Right. Oh, the family sent over this other information about the ring and blah, which I forgot about. For those who don't know, Drake purchased Tupac's ring and had like a crown on it a while back. So that's why Kendrick PERSON was like, you know, I'll double that, you know, so he can get the ring back or whatever.And Tupac rolling his grave because this Canadian NORP dude got it on. And I was just like, who.

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Was it a bounty on it?

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Am I being too ghetto? Am I being too, ghetto?

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Am I being too...

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Yeah, you're going to the hood, out.

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You're kind of like, you know,

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go get that ring, Cug PERSON, like...

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I double it. I double, yo,

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go get the...

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Yeah,

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what speaks to, like, what people don't get to, like, battle rap is, early on,it was literally, like, sometimes it was face to face But literally, you know, bar for bar In a two that, and I'll just reason why I blame 50 centBecause it was just the antics around it

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Just got heightened And then other people took it there Because y'all remember you two

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I remember there was an era where Duce PERSON wasn't even battling. It was just like, oh, they go game right there. We're punching homie in the face in the bushes. Like, they're not 40 cow, not even, they're not rhyming. Like, no, I ain't rapping.

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I just caught you.

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Right.

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Oh, and look, oh, there's raskads in the house.

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Getting what was happening?

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Like, or they got homie chain like so it's it's crazy and

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honestly obviously for anybody watching you know we don't want anything to happen we know

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I'll put they call me Vegas for a reason I'll put money on it's Aubrey ORG not going to do

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anything okay now who knows you know who he run with and blah blah blah blah I'll put money on it. Aubrey ORG's not going to do anything. Okay.

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Now, who knows, you know,

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who he run with and blah, blah, blah, and what said and what could happen. Obviously, we don't want none of that to happen, right? We wanted to stick to wax, be about bar for bars, but honestly, when you're doing things like sneak-dissingand then sending requests for features, right? Who knows? Maybe that was bait, right? Or maybe it was real. Maybe it was the whole reason why we had to watch him practically proposed to Jay Cole PERSON on stage when he's saying he's like the best rapper ever. But maybe Drake ORG was trying to piece it all up

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yeah maybe that was the olive branch right uh but that's it that's interesting right right

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get out of yeah just rejection uh so yeah man i think you know uh like i'm kind of glad we did this now because I don't think Drake ORG is going to wait that long for this one.

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I think he's just going to go with, I think he's confident enough in whatever he had and he might tweak it here and there.

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You know, obviously to dress the cease andasing the sis the cis join and maybe

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bar here and there but I just don't see the ghost writer stuff

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being a thing I don't see him addressing BBL Drake ORG or whatever he might say something about Ross but I do see him responding sooner rather than later because he just seems so anxious to get going. Yeah.Yeah.

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He was asking for it.

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Yeah, he really, he really wanted it. And I just wonder, because academic was a little subdued in his energy compared to the previous stuff. Now, he was kind of on fire with it when it was Rick Ross PERSON, but I think because Rick Ross responded within two hours of Drake ORG's disc, all the energy was just still there. And now when I watched him, I didn't watch the whole live,but he kind of was like revving himself up to talk about it because you don't have, you don't have a choice. But last thing, all right, so we don't, we don't know where this is going to go,but I got to be honest. Even with this euphoria song, I kind of wanted to stop. Like, this, there's been so much around this battlefrom fake AI, Drake ORG to fake AI, Kendrick PERSON, and is it real? And people not really even battling bars. Anytime Stephen A.is using a segment on his show to talk about it, I'm already disgusted. There's no way he even knows hip hop on that level. It's going to be some cliche stuff like he do with boxing.

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And I'm just going to kind of be like, man, get out of here.

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But I'm kind of, I'm good. Like, I don't feel like, I don't even feel like Jay Cole PERSON is done. Like, to me, I just want to get back to fandom at this point. Okay, you say what you say. You said what you say.Even if y'all draw something together, I'd be happy. But what do you think, like, where does this battle, even at this point, rank amongst, you know, battle rap, or do you just feel like, you know, it's cool now, or you, oh, put it this way. You don't necessarily, obviously, you have to feel the way I feel, but do you want to hear more,you know, or you wanted to continue, basically?

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Yo, man, I think it's a good battle. Um, I really don't need to hear anymore. I'm right there with you. I hate for this to stream the end on that note. But, you know, we, yo, we just got a call a spade of spade people. When we're talking about who can rap better,I think it's obvious who can rap better. It just feels like now what I'm seeing, you know, with the online, you know, okay, that was light, that was mid, that was, yo, we're not going to drag this out. You know, like this isn't, what's the joints back in the days? The pea cutter, I don't need a whole pea cutter tape of all Drake versus Kendrick PERSON.I don't need that. I don't need that. I think it's obvious who technically can rap. Who has the technical advantage? I think it's obvious who has the popularity and the hit making advantage. I think that that's obvious.I think that that's there. We're talking about getting these things off your chest as far as who's the better MC. Yo, man, it's, for me,it's there. It kind of stops at the, at the whole ghost writing and all. It stopped right there.

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Like,

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it's over at that point. Now we just, yeah, I got to keep it 100. Now, we're just giving the internet something to react to. You know, and the internet is a part of the culture. See, now I'm going to get on my old man.

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You know what I mean? Now all the gray and all the, yo, you from the 1900s. Now that's going to come out. You know, yo, man, like we get into the, I just want something to react to now. Give me the next thing that I can put the thumbnail where I'm, you know, oh my gosh, like, give me the next thing. But where is this going?

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Like, when are folks going to be satisfied that, okay, they said what they said,

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who is clearly the better rapper?

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I think you got that between the two tracks now. Right. I think you got it. Oh, no, you know, that was mid. You know, we're going to get the next. Like, how many of these we got to do?Yeah.

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I mean, when you think about it, since people like to compare, and I like how you basically looked at what Drake ORG was good at and why he's top at what he does for that and what Kendrick PERSON is good at and why he's better than him in that regard because again to use another boxing analogy styles make fights

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that's not a cliche that's what makes this interesting because they're so different in their

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origins they're so different in their delivery their fan bases what the expectations of these fan bases are and that's kind of why you want to see it and they're so different in their delivery, their fan bases, what the expectations of these fan bases are. And that's kind of why you want to see it. And they're the biggest ones to do it. Jay Cole PERSON just basically decided that they wanted to. I'm out. The fall.

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Which is terrible because I'm like,

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he the one we really

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we really want a matchup

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it was those two

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if we're talking about

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he got it

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who's going to win

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right yeah yeah

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but I mean to your point again I just kind of feel like and maybe I'm just looking at too much social media but a lot of ways I have to for my podcast and to kind of absorb what people are sayingbut it is that because it's the same thing with the music an album can be great like Mr. Morrell PERSON and the Big Steppers and it's all I see people talking about favorably on social media. And then the next week, they're not talking about it.

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Yeah, what else we got?

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Right. And a week after that, a dude pops up.

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Was it really hot?

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And that's where, that's just where we are.

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You know, nobody's talking about it.

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The internet culture, you know, is's talking about it. The internet culture, you know, is the, again, we're reacting. You know, we're reacting and we need something elseto react to.

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You know, so yo, drop

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another one. Keep dropping them.

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And then, you know, then we got to keep it 100

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but get back on my old man and we got to keep it 100 because you know people eating off of that

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they eat you know we keep doing to keep doing the big breakdowns like I do as many breakdowns as

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I got to just keep them keep them rolling

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and it's like yo like right even doing breakdown for the fake tracks

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come on man like i and look some people just got to understand this internet culture is

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specifically youtube um it's just what they do.

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Like they, you know, content creators literally are looking for hot topics.

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Obviously, we're making content, but this is not something I do all the time because this is important for hip hop. We talk about bars is what we do. Right?

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So the breakdown is necessary also to add a little

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context to some of these things instead of it just being a hot topic that we cover because we want to hit the SEO properly and get everybody to jump in and you know get them numbers ran up

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and put them ads on there yeah hit, hit that subscribe button and comment.

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And get them brand deals, you know,

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to the episode on Drake versus Kendrick WORK_OF_ART White broke down the, we don't want to hear all that, put our ad in the middle of your joint.

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That's just, that's the, that's what's happening, y'all.

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And then you got the lower level ones on social media who will constantly just

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writ your thing and put it there and then create a discussion around nons and monetize theirs so it's it's all a game and it's unfortunate because everybody can't be a content creator on the same level

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yeah and let me ask, it's like you're

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you're, you're,

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we're starting this whole notion

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of the MCs.

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Like you're, you're approaching them or you're wanting the same want from them like their content creators. Like, yo, I'm going to just dropalive right down. Just, this is whole family. Like, that's how I'm going to do it. Like, yo, I'm going to just drop a live right down. Just this whole family. Like, that's how I'm going to do it. Like, and then we'll get hyped for that. Like, it's like you we're starting to go down that road.Like, is that the expectation? You know, like, really, like, how many more it is? And then with the timing, oh, yo, he on a clock. Yo, he got 15 minutes.

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He don't do that.

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He lost. I'm going to come out with the video and the thumbnail fail. You know, like, what is happening?

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What is happening?

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You know, so. And I, again, I can't I can't stop if that's that's where it's going and that's what the culture is. I can't stop it, but you know, I'd speak to myobservations or what I'm

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seeing, you know, and

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the thing is that's what I can again appreciate about both MCs in this. It's like they are meeting the culture where

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they where it is right and even with their sounds like they're not trying to like you said

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you know let me let me go back to the dungeons and just just like, no, like, yo, this is where this is my sound. This is where I'm at now. Well, this is my signature sound.

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And this is how I'm going to approach this battle, which I think that's the essence of hip hop.

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Like, yo, we get back to the ghost, you know, the ghost, the sharp ball the, I don't want nobody sounded like me or no-out. Right. Right. And we, we, we kind of, we kind of get in that. Drake ORG, you kind of messed it up with the AI stuff. It was all right.But then you did the, now you sounded like pop, but you sounded like snooping, and then you want to jump back on and do yours, so, you know, you got the made-up, you know, that's where you kind of went left. But at least, you know, with the push-ups, yeah, that was, yo, okay, that sounds like a Drake ORG track.Like, that sounds like something he would rhyme to, the cadences him. Like, this is his style,

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he's in battle mode,

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like, yo, he get points for all of that.

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Like, he get props for all of that.

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And then again, with, you know, Kendra PERSON coming back,

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like, yo, the rebuttal, this is my style, this is how I rap now. It's got shades of, you know, what did you say? The alien voices got shades of that. Right. That's in it.So it's authentically him, you know. So, yeah, man, I don't, I'd be interested. I'm interested in where this would end or how much does, you know, the hip hop community, how, how long do they expect this to continue, you know, before we declare a winner? And what if you

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never get that? Yo, it's just not the ether. I'm looking. What if you never get that? Yo, it's just not the ether.

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I'm looking. What if you never get it? Yeah.

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Then what?

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What if it never, never hits like that? See, now, I want to keep this. We got to keep it. We got to keep it a certain way for the children,you know. But now this is, this is really is sad, this is really some crackhead behavior. You're chasing a high. Right.That you're never going to get ever again. Like, right. That was, that was for them. When you first got it, that was for then. This is a new wave. It's a new day. It's a new batch.It ain't going to hit like but for somebody

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that's coming up in the culture now that's our age well that well that's you know within that

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that age bracket that younger age bracket where it's happening for them in real time they don't

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have a maybe like a history to go off of right Right. For them, this is that, this is that hit for them.

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So again, we'll see over time with that euphoric where it lands. It could be. It could be there, you know, ether for that generation out of that. Because, you know, I think about it like for those folks you know was was ether takeoverwas that the same for those folks as if you know when we're talking about you know the bridge is over and um and um um um um um um, was that kill that noiseand all that stuff. Like, did they look at, you know, the folks that were, that were adults and then their prime, you know, their 20s and stuff, when that stuff came out back then, were they hit to what was going on with Ether and Takeover? Were they like, yo, we got what? Were they in it like that?

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I'm glad you said that because I'm going to tell you, Exhibit A, my older brother, he's 10 years older than me.

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I'm 47, so he'll be 57 in December.

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Shan was finished back in his day.

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Shan PERSON was done.

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Busy B was done. When Coomodey smoked him, he was done back in his days. My brother is, you would have thought Ether came out yesterday. Now that he has the context and has really listened to it, he can't stop talking about it.

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But when it was happening, we weren't

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having that discussion like that.

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I don't think we had it at all, to be honest.

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I think now he's been able to

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absorb it. It's probably

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because of streaming services, right? You tell somebody you know, you need to listen to this and this, and they could just pop it right up. Back then, you know, who played it? It was on the radio. You know, I ain't going to go buy it to listen to it.You know what I'm saying? So let alone buy the whole album to listen to Ethel or Takeover WORK_OF_ART. So to your point, I think that's the key because, you know, not to belabor this point, but because this is our generation also, but what I got to understand is this happens with every generation. You watch the NBA ORG, you hate the fly, you hate all of this. It ain't your error, though. They're not grading on the same scale.You can't talk to them about Michael Jordan PERSON, like, till they blew in the face because you watched him. I remember watching Michael Jordan PERSON feeling like he doesn't miss, even though he does miss. It's felt like he never missed. Like, oh, that's going in. Like, every time, right? So when they see LeBron PERSON and they know he never missed. Like, oh, that's going in. Like, every time, right?So when they see LeBron PERSON and they know he got the all-time points of a record and he's doing things that age you're not supposed to do, they like this the goat. You know what I'm saying? But there was a generation before us that was like Dr. J's the goat. For me, cat the goat. Jay's the goat. For the reason, cat the goat.The captain the goat. Like, like it just happens. And I like the point about, or that we're making about analyzing these two records, having those types of beats because it's just going to be pleasing to them. Like,I could bypass it because I ain't go for it. When the record first started, Euphoria WORK_OF_ART, I was kind of like, come on, Kendrick PERSON now. Like, dog, like, with the slow mode, with the alien voices, like, dog, I don't want to, I'm, I don't want to be those guyswho were explaining the, whoa, what he was trying to do. I don't want to be that, though. I'm just ready for you to go in. Yeah.

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You hear them horns. It's like, oh, there they go. Like, okay. There they go. Them famatized. Right.

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Then it was like, oh, now it's go time. Okay. And it wasn't until later where he said, can I make a bleed? Did I make a bleed yet? Okay, let's make a bleed.Like, oh, you wait more? So in a lot of ways, again, Ock PERSON said it earlier. He's not only addressing points or, you know, or basically put out a rebuttal to what Drake ORG has put outand even, you you know lightly what coales said he's also bringing up new things he's also doubling down on things that probably would push your tea you kind of you know scurried it off like oh he got his son okay we over that his son is cute and no no no. I wake my son up myself.

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If you're a father and you ain't always gone,

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you know, especially if you didn't have a father to wake you up, you know the difference of how important that is, especially to black men. So in a lot of ways, it's just a deeper experience to hear somebody make a number of a point, a number of points that aren't just slander about somebody or just loose accusations. Things start to tie up.There's just nothing about Kendrick PERSON that we've heard that's kind of been, you know, there's secrets here and there that you kind of hear whispers of that Kendrick PERSON just blows out and say, yeah, but y'all didn't know this. And I'm pretty sure there's something he's going to say,Alon PERSON or whatever, that we won't really have any knowledge of, that we could just have to take at face value and say oh i didn't know kendrick was paying that guy or whatever the case but this is six minutes and 30-some seconds of just dissection basically and honestly to point, when is it stopped? My old man kicked in. Maybe that's why I'm even hyped. I'm like, I'm done.

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I don't care if Kendrick say something else. I don't care if Drake ORG say something else.

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To me, this is sufficient. Now, Ox PERSON, since you wasn't on this other episode, and we talked about it a lot, I just wanted to ask you this question, but this pertaining to Jay Cole PERSON before we get up out of here. Everybody obviously says Jay Cole PERSON apologized. You know, maybe he was right.You know, maybe he would get out the way, all that stuff.

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Or what do you think, like, what can Jay Cole PERSON do next?

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Like, does he have to address any of this at some point?

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Oh, man.

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Drop his music unscathed from public scrutiny. Yo, man. I'm going to sound horrible.

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I don't think he, I think he better just leave it alone.

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Just be done. You said you was done. Be done. Don't go back into, don't open up the box. You know, I was sitting back and I was listening to. I don't want to hear none of it.Don't do that.

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Don't you not do that.

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Yo, listen.

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At first I was being a little hard body on, yo, like, you know, pause.

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But I was just like, yo, okay, I don't want to hear nothing but PM Dawn raps from cold from here on out. I'm not going, I'm not going to go that hard. Like, yo, do your thing. You know what I'm saying? Do your thing. Wrap your wraps because we kind of see.And even with this, yo, I think with this response, I think Kendrick PERSON kind of gave him an out. He got at him. He gave him a little jab, but he gave him out too. Like, hey, this was, you know, this was just, you know, friendly, you know, friendly, sparring, friendly, I forget what the exact bar was.But, yeah, he's alluding to that. Like, yo, man, it was, it was just rap. So now that kind of allows him to, yo, just go do your wraps. Go do it. Handle your business, you know. But I don't want to hear, yo, you know, I was sitting back and I was listening to the, no, I don't want to hear that because the side of history that you're on, you're the guy that said,yo, I don't want no problems. I don't want nothing. So cool. Keep it the way you don't want no problems. Wrap your raps. I don't want to hear no wrap up about it.I don't want to hear your perspective on it. I don't want to hear none of that. I'm cool. I'm sorry, yo. I just don't. Just wrap your rap. Your just, you know, and we can, because the thing is now we clearly kind of see that who all the smoke was really full. So just let it be that then. Right. Like, yo, man, that's, that's y'all, yo.

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Let it really be that.

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And you just get back to your raps, you know, is it going to hit?

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Is it going to take a hit?

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Will people maybe expect that?

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Like, yo, you got to say something.

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And I think he just need to just do his thing, man.

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Just make some great songs, some great music. A hit would dead all of it. Right.

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You know what I mean?

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He had a hit record, you know. But what's that? What's that these days? You know, but if he had that that then he would be in the clear um but yeah man i think where he goes from here just rap just do your thing dreamville continue

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to feed your base because they're there i don't think i would hope he didn't lose his

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hardcore fans or his hardcore base.

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I think they were still rock with him.

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I think so too.

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I think in a lot of ways, like, you know, when we did, you know, well, any of the coverage I did on, especially after the apology, you know, it's kind of like how we felt in the moment because like, oh, it's a

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battle. It's not going to give five. It's going to be

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this. Not going to be that. Especially with you, right? Because I don't think he got that kind of steam for you. But I know it kept mefrom listening to Mike Delete PERSON later because he really it really kind of took the wind out of a brother's sales. I was just kind of like from listening to Mike Delete PERSON later because he really, it really kind of took the wind out of a brother sales. I was just kind of like, man, I can't, like, I can't press play on it right now because the minute he'd be like, I'm the goat the G to,I'm like, yo. Because you, you're not.

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He doesn't have to remove all goat bars

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from

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number one big three.

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Right.

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You would literally

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you literally have to take

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and he is very possible

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because not all his songs

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are about being number one.

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Just focus on

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the world around you.

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There's a lot to talk about.

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There you know. There's a lot you can talk about.

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And in that way, you'd be making a statement about your status in this game. And it's a part of the big three. And the back and forth will seem silly as a result, in my opinion. So I feel like, yeah, like I think because of the way he bowed out, you know, we're not angry hip hop heads who are like, nah, you know, you ain't want that smoke. Like, yo, he made a dear mama too.That was a, nah, he ain't want that. We're not like that. We don't need no hugs. Right, we don't need no hugs. We got knife work, gun work. Like, we got all kinds of hugs. Right, we don't need no hugs. We got knife work, gun work. Like, we got all kinds of work. Like, we're not like that. It's just that, you know, it was a hugedisappointment. And I agree with you. I just feel like, just make your music. And, you know, it's the same thing with these guys. Like, this is the unfortunate part. The internet ain't going to let it go, though.

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Dang, I agree what you want.

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Aubrey pop up with a new hop, and we like, yo, it's summertime. I kind of like this joint. Somebody would be like, nah, that euphoria, though. Soon as can you pop pop up, yo five, yo, why he took so long,it's not going to go away. But just like Nyes and JZ PERSON haven't. And just for y'all who don't know, there are people to this day who will sway up and down that JZ PERSON won. And it was a good battle. And really, it was only a verse when you think abouttakeover it was a verse about Nights PRODUCT either was an entire song but it was so overwhelming that it was like even Jay Z PERSON fumbled like it was getting super ugly beat and it was on your babysitting then you got apologize and mama said it It's just crazy. You know, so again, we're all excited because we hip hop heads, you know. It may not be what it was when we were coming up and it may be happening in a different way. I think the more context you have on what's happening around these artists, the more you understand what Drake ORG's saying,the more you understand what Metro Boomin ORG's saying, what Ross is saying, what Kendrick PERSON is saying. The more you know about the situation, just like battle rap, because you can't just pop into battle rapand here's somebody like, you sign them papers, though, and you see the crowd go crazy, and you don't know what he's talking about

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the line won't resonate

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so you have to know everything like the what's to do YNW

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whatever yeah

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like if you don't know who that is and why he's relevant to that bar that Kendrick PERSON put out, you don't get it. You don't get the line. But just for those who were like, yeah, I heard that part.And he was talking about friends. Well, the dude is accused of killing two friends. So now go back, double back to the bar and you're like, oh, that's what you need. That's hip-hop.

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I think his album or a song Myrtle WORK_OF_ART in my mind that's the name of the track too right

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right

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so

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yeah so you will have to

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you have to know like and again that is a cultural that's that's the that's the culture nowthat's the culture now. That's the culture now.

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Like, so, yeah.

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But again, you know, it's, you want to dip your toe in that water to see. Okay, then you like to do your homework and figure it out. That's just what it is. If you're not, if you haven't been listening,

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you know, but if you, you tune into shows like this, then, because that's what I do.

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When you were talking early, I'm one of those listeners. I need to tune into the show so I get caught up. Okay, this is what's happening. This is what's going on now. So, yo, you want to know what's happening in hip hop, yo, you got to subscribe, tune in right here, you know? Yeah, definitely, man. So, yo, you want to know what's happening in hip hop? You got to subscribe, tune in right here, you know? Yeah, definitely, man.

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So we said a lot, but what do you think about this whole battle? Is this round one? Is it over? Is euphoria that? Do you feel like all these responses? This entire battle has been light?Leave your comments in the comments section below. It doesn't matter if you love Drake, you love Kendrick PERSON, love Jay Cole PERSON. I've purchased multiple albums from all of them. I'm an actual fan, even physical CDs, but I don'thave no way to play them. I ain't going to lie. But this is not about pick aside. You can. But it's really about hip hop and analyzing some of these parts of this particular battle. And just, again, we said a lot that feels in favor of Kendrick PERSON. But there's one thing you can never take away from Drake ORG.He ain't never duck no smoke. It's big time to say you battle Joe Biden and you battle push a tea and meet Mill PERSON, who wasn't no slouch, he come from battle rat. And now you battle in Kendrick PERSON. That's a nice roster of people. There's a certain person who I refer to as the goat who's also never ducked smoke like that.You know what I'm saying? Now, I'm not saying he's him. But nevertheless, what he's doing is hip-hop. It's just that nowadays, you know,people have a lot more information and now we got to check the seal on some of Drake ORG's disc record. It's like, hold up. Fam, this is made in China GPE, man. Where did he wrote this.What? I don't even like Yaddy PERSON. What do you mean? He wrote this. I like Drake ORG. So leave your comments in the comment section below.If you like this podcast, obviously like, share, subscribe. We're on the road to 500. We need you to subscribe today. I want to thank the homie Ock PERSON for showing up and chopping it up with me. Real quick, I, yo, tell people, because I mentioned a lot of hip-hop stuff,but y'all, y'all looking at a man who not only writes, but also directs the cinematography as well as casting on the new joint with the homie Jamar PERSON. So tell people all about, you know, your business and the film industry and anything you want to share as far as what you got coming up.

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Yeah, no doubt, man. Thank you. 97media.org ORG. The IG is at that's at T-H-A-T-S A-H-K So yeah, man You know, writing, working onNext film Yeah, I gotta get We gotta get the bread We gotta get the bread for the next film But I'm about to go and film Some screen testsFor the next film coming up in June. So I'm going to knock that out. But yeah, man, 97media.org or hit me up on IG. That's where I'm at with it. Thank you for having me, man. I appreciate it.

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No problem, man. We're going to leave the comment, the link in the description of these episodes so you can get directed to that. Check it out. Until next time, y'all,we're not critics. We just hip our heads. That's all. Peace.