Where Do The Golden State Warriors Go From Here?

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And then because shout out to Grant PERSON, it was obviously later on the East Coast LOC when we did it, which is where I live and he's in the West Coast LOC.But when me and Grant PERSON first linked up to do his podcast, we had known each other for years. He was only going to do like an episode a week or an episode every other week. And he's given enough time to this podcast where he's on two episodes a week, three episodes a week. And so shout out to him.We were supposed to make this a quick conversation. It turned into basically its own podcast because we did stat padding, which is guess a player for anyone who's new around here afterwards. So just wanted to shout out Grant PERSON. Just the time commitment he has given this thing is above and beyond anything I ever could have expected. Ask for still grateful to have him as my co-host friend, colleague, the whole nine,and certainly more grateful for him than the, you know, the butt-ass NBA games we got through the first. You, Pelicans Thunder ORG's on right now. I'm recording this very quickly. I'm going to edit it. The podcast throw it up before, like while I'm watching that game,but the first three games were not pretty. Anyway, I'm digressing. We talk about the Warriors ORG and stat-panning guess a player and just the programming note because we've been teasing it and we're really excited about it. We've been thinking a lot about it. We're going to do our biggest miss for every single team.I think that will go live at some point this week. So that'll be exciting. And we'll be tackling big picture stuff. We'll have playoff reactions. If you could hear Cosmo ORG whining next to me in the background, very restless right now. Rough day around these parts.But we're going to have that go live when we're going to be talking more big picture things. We'll have some playoff reactions, I think, at the end of the week, but that you're going to be inundated with that coverage. So we're going to probably try and sprinkle in an episode or two or a week where, that it's not related to the playoffs, but maybe it's not related to the playoffs. Maybe it's the playoffs and something else.So I think that'll be a good change of pace, especially look, more than half the league is technically, or about half the league is out. So if you're fans of those teams, you're going to want to maybe listen to something that's a different speed. And there will be teams that are eliminated in the days and weeks to come. But Cosmo ORG is getting restless. I'm already talking longer than I wanted to. Let's get right into the discussion about the Golden State Warriors with me and Grant PERSON. And then like I promise, there will be guess a player stat padding. It's lots of fun.Please, very quickly, again, just subscribe, like the video if you haven't already comment. The likes and the comments, they really do help the algorithm, as do shares. Email it to yourself. 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I want to ask you about the Golden State Warriors ORG who will get into more post-mortems and as more teams get eliminated or we'll do something maybe because I'm not trying to short shrift any of the other teams have been eliminated so far, but that feels more like an interesting exercise after the first round.However, I honestly, I tweeted this out, and I meant it. I have no idea where the Warriors ORG can, should, or must go from here. And the cold, calculated dynasty is dead route consists of letting Clay Thompson PERSON walk, shopping Traymond Green, and then asking Curry PERSON whether he wants to be a part of what's next or does he want to get moved. That's not happening here.There is a human element. You already had Steve Kerr talking about how they need Clay Thompson PERSON back, who's still a useful player, just not, he's not Clay Thompson PERSON and he shouldn't be getting minutes over. He probably shouldn't be closing games at the highest level at this point. I think that's kind of fair to say. What confuses me most about the Warriors ORG,and I still just don't have a pulse for what LACA ORG of and just the ownership group is willing to pay for this team, is the Warriors ORG exist in this weird space where you go through them individually, and you can like a lot of the players and what they can do on this roster, Chris Paul, Trace Jackson Davis, Brandon Projemsky PERSON. The list just goes on.Even like the version of Andrew Wiggins you get every fifth night or whatever it is at this point. But they're in this weird space where they're neither barren nor good. And so I don't know what that leaves you to do. There's an obligation because I think what makes the warrior situation truly unique aside, like the people that just want to claim the dynasty is dead, that Steph Curry PERSON might have lost a step. He's still a tent pole star.And so you are both, you're not just obligated, but you're, you're probably inclined to want to reopen his title window. I don't know how they do that because they do have assets, pods, Trace Jackson Davis PERSON, Caminga, even Moses Moody PERSON. Those are guys that will have interest. And you can trade, it'll be two first round picks and three swaps or whatever they'll have this summer.But like, who is the player? Like, who is the guy that were the series of moves that get you back to title contention? And if you can't do that, because I've even thought about, like Larry PERSON marketing's a name I keep coming back to. I expect him to get the renegotiate and extend with Utah ORG.But let's say they don't. He's someone who makes a lot of sense for this roster. You allow, you can play him, Draymond PERSON, TJD PERSON, if he's still around after that trade with Stephand then who's left over on the perimeter. Is Camingo PERSON left over? You can play those lineups and be kind of super huge and versatile at the same time. But it feels like they need a star, but it needs to be like someone who can generate their own looks and absurdly high quality. And that player doesn't seem like they're going to be available unless you're making wholesaleconcessions to the way that you would prefer to play where it's, we need to go after Donovan Mitchell or Shrey Young PERSON or someone along those lines.

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Yeah, I guess like the sense I'm getting from some of the exit interviews and I guess, which is just bolstered by like looking at the cap sheet and looking at where these players are is that like you don't hear the warriors talking in terms of like building the next title team it's more framed around like let's keep this group together let's try to win like Steph Curry PERSON said, I just want to win, whatever that looks like, I think was the quote.I think the expectations are just lower now. So, which is weird, because to your point, like, Steph Curry PERSON is still someone that you would say,like, is owed a chance to compete at the highest level. And like, while he's not a top five guy anymore, you could theoretically build a roster around him where he's still your best player and you are a top tier contender.I mean, at least that was probably true this year. If he continues like just little incremental declines, it maybe is not true next year, for example, when he's like going to be 36 turning 37,right? Like that's just kind of unrealistic i think yeah so i i sort of never skew this way uh but i don't know who that i don't think there's a player out there that they can realistically acquire that like you know i have

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does what you're talking about curious please go bad in the playoffs. He's had wandering eyes before.

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If they kind of just look, everybody involved is just like, we need each other now again,

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where it was a luxury last time, Kevin Durant requesting a trade from the Sons ORG.

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Is that just not enough at this point?

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I mean, I thought you were going to say Janus PERSON when you started.

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They just don't have the, they can put everything on the table,

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and they just don't, they don't have enough to get.

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Because it's like, comming goes approaching his next deal.

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You're probably going to get more like raw draft picks from someone else.

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So. Yeah, no, I mean, like, sure.

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If, if Durant were to come back and even if he continues, like, whatever trajectory he's on as he gets later into his 30s, just like the minutes that go to him versus Clay PERSON who.

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So Clay PERSON, you said, like, I think, I think he definitely still has value, but he's the type of

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player now where it's like, if you put him in the game and he's not hot right away, he needs to

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come out. And he can't be someone that like you live or die by he needs to almost be a luxury and he's going to need to be paid that way so it's like i don't know that he's

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going to be back if if that is the case i also think though that he looks a lot better on another team where it's one you don't have tattooed to memory what he was for sure and two you have the

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infrastructure around him to where you don't even need to sniff yeah what he was. For sure. And two, you have the infrastructure around him to where you don't even need to sniff

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what he was at either end of the floor.

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I don't know a magic or a team that's mentioned a bunch, even like the pistons.

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Like that's not what Clay PERSON can still do looks really good on those teams.

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It's just that the warriors, it's not even clinging to the idea of what he was. It's just the fact that they don't have enough to allow him to age and evolve gracefully. Yeah.

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And I think the first thing you said is the hardest part is like it might be easier for him to age someplace else where they say, you just catch and shoot now. Like that's your job. But with the Warriors ORG, he's got all these like ingrained memories of being so much more involved. And it's just harder to turn that switch off. Like you could tell against the Kings in that first, in that playing game,like his first shot was a contested two off the dribble where he pumped faked a couple times and it's just like, I'd seen this game before. Like this is going to be a bad night if he's like even considering that shot. So if you could, anyway,we're getting kind of too far afield. I think I texted some friends about this like, as game was, before the game was over against the Kings ORG. It was like, the problem with the Warriors is they're both cooked and half baked.

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And it's just like the old guys, the old guys are too old to do it.

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The young guys either are never going to be good enough or just certainly aren't ready yet. So it's like, you could call it the two timelines problem if you want. It's like proof of like this doesn't work, although it did work two years ago. Like it's just there's this gulf, right? Where like right in the middle there should be where Andrew Wiggins PERSON is like,I got it guys. And he's just not because he's in his late 20s. And like he's in his, you know, he's not 34 and he's not 22. He's right in the middle. And he's just not because he's in his late 20s. And like he's in his, you know, he's not 34 and he's not 22. He's right in the middle. And that's probably the guy you look to trade,I think, um, if he has positive value at all, like, just because you're not getting,

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I was wondering if they would use Moses Moody PERSON. If you could just ship him and Moses Moody into Toronto ORG's cap space, you probably need to take back a smaller contract like Jalen McDaniels is expiring. Would they consider just getting us and not reached that point because it's, oh, we can still hit the reason the idea of himdefensively makes a ton of sense? I just don't know, okay, well, what's the odds of him hitting his peak when we also need to play Jonathan Kaminga and TJD and Draymond Green PERSON?

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Don't you think the wisest, like slash most realistic path is to, if you do move off Wiggins PERSON, you're not replacing him with someone and it's like, these are comminga and Moody PERSON's minutes now for better or worse. Like we're not going to dick around with Moody PERSON not playing for anybody,

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but Moody PERSON's minutes.

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No, Moody PERSON has to play now. Like we've tried not playing Moody PERSON. I just, it's, I think,I think he just has done enough to warrant like you're going to play every night from now. Because like he, what do we do? Like, what did Wiggins do this season like on a consistent basis to justify like,okay, next year it's going to be different. You know, like at some point, this is all presuming you can move Wiggins PERSON without giving up stuff, which I don't know if that's the case. I think it's the case that you could.

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But probably.

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Yeah.

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I just don't know.

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So it's kind of like I think Chris Paul PERSON is probably going to be gone.

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Like just because you got to cut that salary.

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This is again, this team's trying to get like back under the tax potentially to reset the repeaters. Like it's just I don't know how you do that without making major cuts beyond.

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And it also makes going out and getting a good enough player that much harder. Right. When the specter of the finances. I just want to throw some names at you to where would you, because it seems like you're kind of, not that you're on board,but you understand them. Well, it's just stamp pad, develop the young guys and hope they're ready to, you know, lead wars into the next era when they're more flexible, have more assets are cheaper and leaner and can do that stuff.I'm going to throw some names at you to where you don't have to get into the trade packages, but I'm telling you right now the Warriors ORG can trade for these players,

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that it could cost everything they have. It could call, like, are you saying yes or no? If you just, this is, forget the other, maybe these, all of these guys requests a trade to Golden State ORG.

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Kevin Durant PERSON. Yeah.

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McHale Bridges PERSON.

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Yeah.

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Really? Yeah. Like just as let's let's say, I know we weren't going to get into it, but it's like him instead of Wiggins or him instead of Wiggins and Moody and Gary Payne the second.

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And trying to think of like knowing the opportunity cost is going to be some of your last just trade chips like players and prospects.

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I thought you would want someone higher end.

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So I feel like this is going to get a lot easier. So Larry PERSON marketing.

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I like him less actually than either of the two previous two guys you named.

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It's not really an insult when it's Michael Bridges PERSON. Right. But I mean like I don't want to say no to that. It's like I don't know. What am I going to say no to in this scenario? I think I'm getting there.Okay. Which is like the fit. Trey PERSON young. No.

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There you got there.

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Gary is Garland PERSON.

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No, just because Steph PERSON's going to be there and I don't know. I just you can't play those guys together. Yonnis PERSON. Yeah, of course. That's the one guy I think.

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Like if you really wanted like the long shot. You got another one? Yeah. Donovan Mitchell PERSON. I got more. I like Mitchell less than

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everyone you've mentioned other than Trey Young. Fair. Jalen Brown. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Um,

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Wemby. No, Steph PERSON's's gonna go play with wimby

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did you see the odds where

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if not the warriors

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the step's most likely next team is the spurs oh that makes a lot of sense

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of course the spurs were like a plus four

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when wemby PERSON and trey jones imagine just replacing the tray jones minutes with them he's a little better he's still got it he still got it on trey jones

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I think we can say oh yeah joel and bead

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oh yeah really that that changes everything there's probably no draymond there anymore which is which is fine you got to move on eventually and like if you're gonna move so to appease step in moving off of either green or clay thompson ORG it almost has to be someone like of undeniable like oh yeah we're not going to say no to joel mb right like maybe that's the threshold test like would step be cool with you can get this guy but you don't have draymond and or clay anymore i think mbd he would say like all right i could

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deal with that i don't mean to give you PTSD but lamella ball oh interesting um

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i don't hate the fit with Steph PERSON, honestly.

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I don't know how serious of a basketball player is, though.

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I guess I'd say, could I trade him for James Wiseman PERSON if I, if we got him? Yeah,

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get a time machine. Right.

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Oh, boy. Yeah. I'm sure. I'll take Lamella PERSON. Why not? LeBron PERSON.

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Yeah.

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I think, yeah.

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I think like... So you're just, you're open to just like the window's going to be super short and we're going to be fucked at the end of it. But like I'm trying.

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Yeah.

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Like it's not. Yeah, right. Julius Randall PERSON. No. Keep him away from my team. This is Grant PERSON has not mentioned.We've been recording with each other for like four hours. And he is there. You can name the rooms that you use to record in. And he has not mentioned the name of this room at all.

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That's because I just noticed it. 900. Why are there 997 reasons why Grant Hughes thinks the warrior should trade for Julius Randall PERSON? That's 997 more reasons than I could think of with a gun to my head, I think.

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I had a couple more.

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Okay. Carlinthe Towns. I kind of would say no. I don't think, I don't know what he's getting. Yeah, what he's getting you.

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I think that's perfectly reasonable. I think that's probably it. Now I'd be like venturing into the realm of, well, well, they can't. And what if he opts in, Paul George PERSON?

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Yeah, I think that would be, again, it's just like, what if we had someone that was just better than Wiggins PERSON?

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Here's an interesting thought exercise. Paul George can opt in and be traded to you or you can just flat out trade for Kauai GPE. I might prefer the Paul George PERSON option. I'm not going to lie. I mean, yeah.

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Yeah, the health stuff. Yeah, right? It's like, well, if we had this conversation like two weeks, well, how long, Kauai GPE basically hasn't played in April in mid-March, it'd be like, give me Kauai, you know, but now that he's hurt again, it's like, I can't deal with this. It's too uncertain.

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Sharon Jackson, Jr.

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That's a fun one.

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Yeah, as like the, as the, the, the Dremont GPE replacement, essentially.

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Because, well, although you could play those two together.

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Oh, yeah, that would be.

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That was, uh, what was the, oh, so my, my other spicy one is just like, if things go to

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crap in Phoenix GPE,

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everyone's waiting for Kevin Durant PERSON to request out or maybe it does request out.

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Devin Booker PERSON is kind of sitting there and going.

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Doesn't Devin Booker PERSON have the,

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I don't know why I think this.

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It's just like he's been there for like a sneaky long time. He's been through like we made the finals with this one group. Now that group is gone. We have this other group. Nothing lasts forever. Like, Devin Booker's not going to finish his career in Phoenix GPE.I don't think. That's pretty rare.

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So he always feels like the next, like not the next contract until like 2050 or whatever.

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He's the next. So the next crop is like, we're already into it, but like Trey and Cat PERSON. And then Embed PERSON probably gets back into that conversation pretty soon. And then after that, it'll be like book, well, Jalen Brown will be probably in the second wave. And then eventually we'll start talking about Devin Booker's PERSON next team. So why not now?Luca PERSON would be an easy one, right? Oh, yeah.

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I mean, most of them are easy if I don't know what I have to give up. Well, I bet it it cost you everything.

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Yeah, he cost you everything. Well, Luca PERSON certainly does costs you everything. Yeah, he cost you everything. Well, Luca PERSON certainly does, Embed PERSON certainly does. Yeah, I just like,if you can get a all NBA ORG caliber,

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Jimmy PERSON, guy. No,

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I don't think so. All right,

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yeah,

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we finally found, like, one that was controversial for you were the others. I was expecting there to be more,like, especially the Lowry, marketing's, McHale Bridges expecting there to be more, like the, especially the Larry Markanins PERSON, McCale Bridges PERSON is where,

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yeah, you know, like even Jalen Brown, I wasn't expected you to say, no, I'm saying I'm using him as an example,like an exemplar where it's, well, that dude might make a second all NBA ORG team so you know he could be one of the 15 to 20 best players and then a given season. Yeah.

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So I'm expecting you to be a little bit more.

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Well,

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it's hard because it's like,

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they don't, the way, you framed it correctly, what, what my, where more. Well, it's hard because it's like they don't, the way you framed it correctly, what my, where my thoughts are, it's just like, they don't have a championship ceiling or a real way to get there that I can see.And so like if you're telling me you can add like a really exciting all NBA ORG level guy, like I'm interested because here's,

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here's one Zion

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oh man I mean you are probably still having to give up

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everything for that yeah I feel like you would have to do it

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you do I just like what if what if so the only thing the the worst case scenario is you make the drastic move and the guy's never healthy. You know, like he and Zion is kind of in the Kauai GPE camp of like, even no,more so than Kauai GPE. I think where you're just like, this could all be over tomorrow for the whole season.

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But also makes this difficult. So basically with every single one of these players, maybe the Warriors ORG would be willing to give up more for them than other teams because of their, like a Kevin Durant PERSON in theory, would the Warriors be willing to give up more for Kevin Durant than the Knicks ORG at this point?Maybe. But in the worst case, they're also in this weird space where it's, they have like really what could be a very competitive real blockbuster trade offer that will also never probably be the single or one of the two best offers that are on the table.

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Yeah. I mean, it could get, if you throw all the picks in comminga and like Pajemski and or Jackson Davis, like, if it's commingga pods and two first round picks, that's good.

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That's good.

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I don't know. Okay. So you can come from the top rope without breaking and sweating. Yeah. Well, I mean, it would depend. Like, it's, you know, right now, I think there were points this year whereKaminga ORG's value was even higher. And maybe, maybe next year it'll even be higher where it's like Kaminga ORG's worth like two firsts or something on his own. But if he continues to be like, oh, this guy's maybe going to threaten to be an all star next year or something. Like it's pretty close to, yeah, but they don't have the ability to be like, oh, this guy's maybe going to threaten to be an all star next year or something. Like it's pretty close to, yeah, but there's, they don't have the ability to be like,I don't know, six firsts and Kaysen Wallace and like Lou Dort PERSON or what like they just, they can't, they can't touch.

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A lot of the market realities, and this happens with all trades, but like the dame situation is a good example. Sometimes players are forced to go outside their wish list is that they need to be at or very,

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very close to the top of a player's trade demand. Right.

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Which, by the way, like hasn't really happened.

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I don't know that like there aren't, you know, Durant PERSON signed and that was a big deal.

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Do you think it's mostly been because players understand that the warriors wouldn't have gone after them to be. So there's no leverage to be had there. And now it's a little now it's different in the sense that, okay, maybe they would go after me,but do I want to be a member of the warrior?

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Well, I was kind of angling towards the ladder where it's like, I still think if you go to Golden State ORG, you know you're going to play a certain style. And maybe this changes. Maybe this is part of the problem.But like, you're going to play this certain style that isn't for everybody. And Draymond makes it a weird fit. And Steph PERSON is always going to be the guy. And like you're never, you know, it's all, it's like all the stuff that Durant PERSON, I think bristled at towards the end. And, and like it's just certain guys just don't fit.And I think that that feels like a known thing. It doesn't mean it has to be that way forever. But like they've played a certain way for 10 years. And it's like, you got to know, you probably know what you're signing up for if you go there now at this point. Like it's just it's not the. And like it is weird because I'd still even though it's such a huge market in the, you know, there's a fancy new arena and there's all these like Silicon Valley opportunities. It doesn't feel still like it's not LA. It's not New York. It's still not that view quite, or even Houston GPE. Like it's not viewed the or Miami GPE. It's not viewed the same way. I don't think around the league in terms of like get get me there.Like who's there hasn't been anybody really that's been like.

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You have a report that like Yonis would want to play for the Warriors ORG if it wasn't the bucks that one time like yeah or he won a title. I think.

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Yeah. That's I mean that that's that's the exception that proves the rule it feels like to me.

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Stat-panning, guess-a-player, Grant PERSON.

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I'll start you off. Are you ready? I think so. This one's from Austin, so just keep that in mind. Clue number one. I was drafted in 2009, and I'm currently one of eight players who are still on an active roster.Really going back to that 2009 draft well, huh?

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I just, I feel like I never remember who's in the 09 draft, other than Serge Baca PERSON, who we just, we just did. Okay, go ahead. I'm not going to one-shot kill it. Clue two, I have played for 10 different NBA ORG teams. 10 teams?Still in the league from 2009. Hmm. I still, I just, I can't remember that draft here.

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I don't have it. Clue three, despite my modest seven and a half points, three and a half rebounds and two point one assists per game for my career. I have netted $82 plus million in total earnings. That's not very much for 15 years. How much do you make, Grant PERSON?How much does this podcast pay you?

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I don't even want to tell you. It's just enough for me to scoff at $80 million.

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80 million, seven and a half points a game 10 teams oh nine drafts i mean i'm sure should it just be

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who's a pacer that's been all over the league yeah i don't know i think you'll get it you

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have two i think three more clues left.

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Clue four, I am covered from the neck down with tattoos with my son's name across my neck. To celebrate this, one of my former teams had a tattoo night in which fans were given a large temporary tattoo to put on their neck. Huh.

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Still in the league from 09,

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a bunch of tattoos.

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I know you were just thinking about like J.

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R. Smith and. Is it James Johnson? That is correct. I didn't get the answer from Austin, a bunch of tattoos. I know you were just thinking about like J.R. Smith PERSON.

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Is it James Johnson PERSON?

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That is correct. I didn't get the answer from Austin, but I'm assuming that I know who it is. Five was I'm a second degree black belt.

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Oh, yeah.

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With champion kickboxing parents, my dad is a seven-time world champ and my mother a five-time national champ. I actually did not know that.

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I knew about his black belt.

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I didn't know about his parents.

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More recently, I was signed hours after the infamous game ball gate to give my current team a tough enforcer presence. That's right.

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That was such a fun signing.

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Like,

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oh, it's going to be on next game. They got James Johnson PERSON. The NBA ORG so ridiculous, thinking back to the game ball gate. Let's see.I'm trying to see if I have one for you. I don't know if I do. I have a ton in the clip from Mike ORG if you. Let me just make sure Mike ORG didn't send me one that I have neglected. If you're ready, go ahead while I look.

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Okay, clue number one. I was drafted in the top 10 of the 1999 NBA ORG draft. Top 10, 99.

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This is from is from Mike ORG? Yep. I like to know who I'm dealing with. It's good that it doesn't seem like you're going to one shot killed it.

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I feel bad like one shot killing his because he gives it so many clues.

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I know.

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I know.

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Really, but that makes me really want to do it.

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I feel so bad being so good at this game.

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All I know, all we know is top 10 in 99. That's the clue. Correct.

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Dirk PERSON.

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No, incorrect.

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Okay.

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Clue too.

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As a rookie, I backed up Mitch Richmond on a team that would win 29 games.

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Nick Young PERSON.

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That is incorrect.

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Was he a 99 draft class member?

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I think that's too long ago.

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I was just thinking of Richmond was probably on the Wizards in 99.

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No,

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he must have still been on the Kings ORG.

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Okay, hold on.

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Who's backing up Mitch Richmond on the Kings top ten?

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Actually, I don't know where Mitch Richmond PERSON is at this point.

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I'm surprised Mitch Richmond is playing in 99, first of all. Okay, what's the next clue?

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Clue three.

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In my second year, I started playing small forward to get more playing time.

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And as a result, I appeared in 78 games, starting 42. I averaged 18 points, but on a very inefficient shooting split, a 43.8 from the field and 27.4% from deep.

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So it's a two, three, that can't shoot, backed up Richmond, wherever Mitch Richmond PERSON was at the time. Top ten pick in 99. It's not Larry Hughes PERSON, is it?

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It is not Larry Hughes PERSON. I like that guess, though. Clue four, in my third season, I moved back to shooting guard because of a new acquisition, and my scoring improved the 20 points per game, and my three point percentage hit 38%. I don't even know where we are.

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This is the problem.

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2001 at this point.

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0-1, averaging 20 a game.

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Yeah, I'm hung up on the Richmond PERSON thing.

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This always happens.

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And so now I'm like, this might be, I think this clue will turn it for you.

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Okay, let's hear it. Clue five, I was traded the following offseason with Bobby Simmons PERSON and, thing. This always happens. And so now I'm like, this clue will turn it for you. Okay.

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Let's hear it.

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Clue five,

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I was traded the following off season with Bobby Simmons and Hubert Davis PERSON for Jerry Stackhouse and mine cardinal. I went to,

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won this trade.

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Traded with,

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with Bobby Simmons and Hubert Davis PERSON, you said? Yeah. So now you know the team he was on, and you should know the team he was dealt with.

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Do I?

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I want to say he was on the Clippers ORG,

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but I don't know if that's right, because I think of Bobby Simmons on the Clippers for Stackhouse PERSON. So you end up in, I guess, Philly or Detroit GPE?

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I don't know.

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I don't have it.

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Okay, clue six. In my first season there, I made the playoffs for the first time and helped the team rally to defeat the magic in the first round. Despite trailing three to one, the head coach of the magic was Doc Rivers, sparking memes that would last a generation.

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Okay, so this is a... Well, oh man I think it must be getting late I'm all jumbled up Is this guy on the bucks now Because it wasn't it the bucks that Knocked out the magic?That the McGready PERSON series maybe Maybe I don't know I still don't have it I'm going to need some more clues.

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Well, you have like three more.

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Okay. That's good.

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So clue number seven, in my second season, I broke my nose twice. I think Grant PERSON should know by now who I am.

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Oh, it's Rip Hamilton PERSON.

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Yeah, all right.

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Clue eight was I was on the 2004 NBA championship with Detroit GPE.

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Clue not. I played with the Bulls from 2011 to 2013. Clue 10, I ultimately retired in 2015 after I broke my foot.

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Okay, so he was on the wizard. He was drafted by the Wizards, and he was backing up Mitch Richmond PERSON there. So I wasn't a lot. I just forgot he was on the Wizards ORG. Okay.

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Man.

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Do you have any for me?

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You want to do one more for this one is. I got, I got another one for you.

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I got actually like two from two or three from Mike ORG that I could go to.

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Yeah, let me give you this one from Mike ORG.

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Clue number one. I was an international player drafted in 2008 by the Blazers ORG. I was trade. I'll just combine these two clues. I was traded international player drafted in 2008 by the Blazers ORG. I was trade. I'll just combine these two clues. I was traded to the Bulls on draft day. Cristiano Felicio.That's a really good guess, but that's not who it is. Clue three. I came stateside in 2010, signing a two-year deal.

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Drafted by the Blazers traded to the Bulls came stateside in 2010. I got nothing.

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Clue four, I played in all 82 games as a rookie working my way up the rotation, but broke my leg in the playoffs.

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Ooh, rookie in the playoffs, International broke his leg in the playoffs. Ooh, rookie in the playoffs, international broke his leg on the Bulls ORG. In 2010, 2011 at that point.

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Each game is a rookie. I guess that'd be 1011.

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So Derek PERSON, that, what? So that's the Derek Rose PERSON is on that team. Well, dang?

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No, that's a good guess, though. All right. Clue five. I started only two games my sophomore year, but was thrust into the starting lineup after an all-star teammate of mine got injured. I should start naming Bulls ORG point cards.

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Aaron Brooks PERSON is an international player, is he?

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No.

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You're probably getting it next clue.

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Let me try and take another.

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Kirk Heinrich PERSON?

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Nope.

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No.

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Oh.

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All right.

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Hit me again.

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Clue six.

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That off season, I signed as a restricted free agent with the Rockets for 25.1 million.

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That off season, Bleacher Report referred to the pairing of me and fellow free agency signing Jeremy Lynn as fitting together like peanut butter.

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Oh my God, Omar Ashik PERSON.

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Is this your line?

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Peanut Butter and Frog Meat.

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Did you write that?

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I have no idea. I don't think so. That feels like it could have been you. No. I wouldn't have said that. I don't think I was, I don't know.That could have been anybody. Let's see. Seven, my two, yeah, I'll read some more. You got it. It is Omar Oshik PERSON. My two years in Houston GPE didn't go well.After two seasons, I was traded in a three-team deal involving Trevor Riza PERSON, Lonzo G, and Omri Caspi PERSON. In 2015, when everyone got paid, I got paid in a half signing a five-year, $60 million contract and being labeled as one of the least movable deals in the league.Who gave him that? Was that New Orleans GPE that paid him all that money?

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Limited to 31 games.

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Diagnosed with Crohn's disease, losing 31 pounds. Did not remember that. Traded for Jemir Nelson and Tony Allen with a first for Nicole Amirotich and a future second. In 2022, Bleacher reports Dan Favalli wrote about my placing in the top 15 of All-Star voting in 2014 that I quote, should have never sniffed the top 50, let alone the top 15 like a reasonable take to me man that guy's smart all right did

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you have one or you want another one uh let me give you this one is long he's 14 clues here

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so you should if you don't know it you should really want the one shot kill here guess so and

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in parentheticals this is mike PERSON's all all-time favorite player, so no pressure.

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Okay.

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You ready?

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I was drafted in a class that only produced three all-stars and zero Hall-Famers and was rated as the worst,

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and it was rated as the worst draft of all time by ESPN ORG. Yeah, I don't have that. Clue two, fresh off winning a national title and being a second team All-American, I was taken in the first round. Elton Brand PERSON.

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Incorrect.

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No, okay.

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Clue three is a rookie I started 49 games averaging 9.3 points on 43% shooting and 38%

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three- point shooting.

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Nope.

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Clue 4. My second season, I up my scoring of 14 points per game, increasing my efficiency in the process while starting 56 of 63 games. I said, if we don't have a year yet, I have no idea.

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Yeah, keep going.

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Clue five. In year three, I started a career high 80 games being third on the team in scoring, but essentially leading the team as Vince Carter missed 40 games. And our second leading score, Vashon Leonard, only played 63 games. So Vashon Leonard and Vince Carter PERSON are the timestamps.

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I mean, like, was Vashon Leonard on the Raptors ORG?

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I guess.

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I don't know.

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I think it was the heat guy.

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So that assumes Carter PERSON, this is a Carter's raptor. Okay. Damon Stoddemeier PERSON. No. Morris Peterson PERSON. Correct.

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Ah. Nice Peterson PERSON. Correct.

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Nice job. Clue 6 was it was after this season in the summer

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2012 before I met an 8-year-old Mike Hurnishin had a basketball camp. The Raptors lent their name to in the suburbs and spent a full hour shooting hoops with him.

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Mike ORG, how am I guessing it from

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that clue, Mike ORG? Come on.

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Clue 7. You got it beforehand. Who gives a shit?

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That's true. Clue seven, the following season,

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after Lenny Wilkins was fired, the team brought in Kevin O'Neill PERSON,

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who would prove to be one of the worst coaches in NBA ORG history.

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Some low-lets for the team included averaging 85.4 points per game,

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only scoring 56 points in a loss to the Timberwolves ORG,

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the lowest in the post-shot clock error.

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The team receiving a call from the NBA ORG to ask why our offense was so inept at scoring, Vince Corp PERSON being so pissed off at management that he said he wasn't going to dunk anymore. Trading Vince Carter for Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, and Alonzo Morning PERSON, who would never play a game in Toronto ORG. The pick that would later become Joey Graham, but could have been Danny Ranger PERSON and a pick we never used that ended up being Rinaldo Bulkman PERSON.Nick Legend PERSON. Clue 8. Anyways, fan favorite in Toronto ORG. I played in all 82 games for four straight seasons, being in and out of the lineup while competing for the starting spot with Anthony Parker PERSON. Clue 9, I'm one of the most absurd buzzer beaders of all time to send a game against the Wizards ORG into overtime. Thanks to Michael Ruffin PERSON for throwing the ball into the air with enough time for me to catch it and heave it.These were the only points I scored in the game. Clue 10, after the 2006-200 2007 season, the team let my deal expire and I signed with the New Orleans Hornets on a four-year $23 million contract. Clue 11, my time with the Hornets ORG was underwhelming as I averaged single-digit points in my shooting had fallen off. Clue 12, I retired in 2011 after I was traded from OKC to Charlotte and waived four days later. Clue 13, I spent time as an analyst in Toronto from 2015 until to 2017,leaving the company as behind the scenes. I didn't get along with Raptors color commentator Jack Armstrong and I was never really a great analyst to begin with. Final clue. I am third all time in Raptors history for games played third and threes made seventh and points and tenth and

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rebounds. Shit. I never would have gotten that by the way. What's that?

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He said who's not getting along with Jack Armstrong PERSON? I've never met him, but he sounds like a lot of fun on the broadcast.

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Do you want to give me one more and then we'll skedaddle?

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Sure.

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All right. This is also from Mike ORG. This is a tough one. Although, actually, I believe in you. Clue number one. I was drafted 18th overall in 2001.My brother went in the second round in the same draft. 2001.

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And they had a brother. This brother, did the brother have the same last name? I mean,

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are we allowed to ask questions? Yes.

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Yes.

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It is the same last name. They are actual for real brothers

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2001 all right so at least you know it's not a plumly I really want to have like a guess but I don't even I'm thinking of brothers and relatives from that era and and I got nothing. 2000 or 2001. All right, keep going.

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Clue two, as a rookie, I was a key contributor for a finals contender. No. Clue three, during my rookie season, I made the controversial decision to state on camera that I was two inches shorter than I was listed as in college.

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I don't remember that.

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Four, as a second year player, I beat out a future Hall of Famer for a starting spot and would go on to start 144 games over the next two seasons. This led to me signing a five-year, $25 million extension in 2004.

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Is this Andre Miller PERSON? Did he have a brother?

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Nope. Ready for Clue five? Clue five. In 2008, I was traded to Memphis for Stroh Mile Swift PERSON. Oh. I thought that should be a dead giveaway. Treated to Memphis for Stroh Miles Swift PERSON. Oh. I'm trying to actually a big giveaway.

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Trade to Memphis for Stroh Mile Swift PERSON.

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No, I still don't have it. Clue 6 on draft day in 2008, I was part of the infamous Kevin Love for O.J. Mayo PERSON trade and landed in Minnesota ORG. I thought

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part of the OJ. Mayo PERSON trade. That wasn't a... It's not Robert Taylor PERSON, is it? Nope.

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I think he was the Dirk PERSON trade.

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Okay.

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All right. You're getting it on this one. You ready? Clue 7. I bounced around the league for a couple of years before making headlines for my bravery, becoming the first active player in any of the four major leagues to ever come out as gay.Oh, Jaron Collins?

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The other one.

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The other Collins PERSON. Not the other guy to come out.

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Oh my God.

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Why?

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I remember the other Collins PERSON, brother.

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It's close.

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His first name is very close to the name you said.

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Jared, Jeff PERSON.

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Why?

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Oh, my God.

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This is a first thing.

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Guess a player. You know who it is, but you can't remember the first name. Oh. I mean, I could give who it is, but you can't remember the first name. Oh. I mean, I could give you more clues, but they're not going to help. The brother of my, this is Clue 10. The brother of mine from Clue 1 FAC is my identical twin,who is the top assistant for the Pelicans, who you just named, Jared PERSON,

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Jared Collins PERSON.

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So, Jared Collins PERSON, you said it's similar.

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Jeff PERSON?

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I would say, I think like for people my age among men, it's like the most common first name. Jim PERSON?

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James?

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Jack PERSON? Why? I don't know how long to let you. Joe PERSON?

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These aren't even real people.

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My brain is so, to be fair, it is after two in the morning.

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It's really late. Would you like me to tell you? Because you clearly know who it is.

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Jordan, Collins PERSON? Is that? No. No.

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You have the first letter and the last letter

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correct.

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What I said,

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Jaron or Jordan PERSON?

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Jordan and Jaron for that matter.

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Awesome.

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Jaden PERSON.

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Nope.

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This is such a good podcasting, right? You just. I can't. Nope.

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This is such a good podcasting, right? You just...

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I can't.

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I'm going to be so mad when you tell me who it is.

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I don't know how to tell you how common.

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How common of a name this is.

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It's like the Michael

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of like J names.

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I have no idea.

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Maybe in New York

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it's not a common name.

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I feel like in California I had like

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even now I have to like use their last names

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because I have multiple friends

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who have this first name. John PERSON?

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No, that's probably more common.

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But I don't know.

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For people my age, it's not.

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Johnson, Collins PERSON?

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Is that a person?

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Now you're making.

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Oh, this is so much fun.

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You have to let me tell you. Can I tell you?

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So it's J?

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The first letter's J. The last letter.

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There's got to be like a vowel. You're, you've overthought it by like a million percent at this point.

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Well, how can I give you clues without giving it away? I mean, I can think of an NBA head coach with this first name. I can think of many, many NBA players with this first name. I can think of many, many NBA players with this first name.

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I mean a head coach. Joe Collins PERSON?

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No, that's not Joe PERSON.

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It's not Johnson PERSON.

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It's not Jack PERSON.

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I'm thinking of I'm running through all the NBA ORG head coaches in my head right now.

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Oh, I read Jason Collins.

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Oh,

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there it is. There it is. I'm clapping for you. Oh,

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that was peak post 2 a.m.

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It gets rough out here.

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Trying to,

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trying to guess things this late.

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Knowing the lesser known of the two hours.

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Yeah,

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well,

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like,

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Jaron has been like more, because he was on the word.

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Yeah, now, yeah, for a while. But yeah. Hey, you know what well, like, Jaron has been like more, because he was on the word facing.

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Yeah, now, yeah, for a while.

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But yeah, hey, you know what?

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You got it. Please just take us out of here. How old thing is that.

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Kill me.

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I have to give him a shout out somehow.

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Thanks, everybody for listening.

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Thanks for contributing your guest player clues,

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especially the last one. Really enjoyable time for me. If you haven't already, rate, review, subscribe, wherever you get your podcast or on YouTube ORG, just thumbs up, positive comments, all this stuff helps grow the podcast, tell your friends, tell your enemies, join our Discord, the links for how to do that in the YouTube ORG and podcast description, as are the links to check out our merch. That's going to do it.Shout out, Franklin and Leukeana PERSON. Apologies, Jared Allen PERSON. Second shout out, Jason Collins. Okay, picture this.

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