Ep 248 - Robocalypse Now: Meta's AI Assistant, Boston Dynamics, and VR Games

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Hello and welcome to episode 248 of the F-Reality ORG podcast. Your weather forecast for today is a healthy dose of Robo Recall PRODUCT. The rain is coming down hard in Dubai GPE, and the world has a growing reliance on artificial intelligence. Might be disconcerting to some. We might not be here tomorrow, but we are here today.So sit down, plug into the conversation, and let's be glad we can even do this. Here's what we have for you. Students get a front row ticket to the NBA ORG game of scholastic thrills. Can't get that one out. Scholastic thrills. Mark doubles down on his mission for intraplanetary dominance. Adam PERSON took a dip in the deep blue sea. PSVR2 is trundling along. Where's that PC update Sony? And Applevision Pro PRODUCT is stillbloody expensive. Not much in today's show about either of those, honestly. But oh no, robots are coming for your chores. It's like Terminator PRODUCT, but instead of knifing your parents, he's taken out the garbage for you. And speaking of sifting through the trash, Jose PERSON is here to pull out the finest in upcoming VR releases a bit later in the show. This here's the F-Reality ORG crew. It's Rowdy the wise guy, Jose the Feisty, and Adam Bomb Body PERSON the sassy.Let's not forget myself. I'm Zim, the virtuous, pure, generous, humble, and kind. So humble. This time we talk recent highlights with the team. Up first is Adam, then it's going to be Jose and finally, Rowdy, the Lucy Goosey, Moosey Cabozy PERSON. Adam PERSON, over to you.How you doing?

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Doing good. I found an interesting game over the weekend. It's all about stabbing things. What a way. But it's kind of 10 a.m.

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My time, I'm like, what a way to wake up everybody. I didn't think I'd a way, but it's still, it's kind of 10 a.m. my time. I'm like, what a, what a way to wake up everybody. I didn't think I'd be first, but that's totally okay.

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But anyway, I played a game that's called Stabbit VR PRODUCT.

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And it's very, very simple.

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All you have to do are these, you know, these bats come to you. And you have a knife in your hand. And all you have to do is just stab them, just stab them. And sometimes they come at you from down below, and sometimes they come at you from up above. But regardless of where they're coming from, your objective, sometimes you can use two hands as well. So it's very fun. There we go.

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I got the video of that's when we had the lower bat So yeah

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You just keep stabbing it

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Until it's finished Okay

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Wait a minute

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Wait a minute

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This is an arcade VR game

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Wait a minute

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This is what we need at arcades

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This is a workout

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Are you sure that you're playing

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A stabbing game?

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You have to crouch down because you don't want the, what is it, slag knife?

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I don't know, Adam PERSON, but like.

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Sometimes you need both at the same time.

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Oh, God.

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All right, audio listeners.

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I can't even.

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Whoa.

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Good morning. You're double gunning it can't even. Whoa. Good morning.

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You're double gunning it now.

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Wow.

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Interesting.

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Sometimes you got to do what you've got to do, you know.

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But anyway, so I guess seriousness aside, this was just, like they purposely, obviously

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made this game like this where it looks like you're making rude inappropriate gestures

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when stabbing.

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So just, you know, again, audio listeners take a knife, kind of make a stabbing motion,

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and you can sort of get the picture with where this is going.

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And I think, I don't know, I think it's hilarious.

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It'd be a great game if you're just like, hey, friends, come over to my house and play VR.

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It's a simple thing where you stab bats and then, you know, your friends can make fun of you.

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It's great.

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I love how they advertise this game.

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And this reminds me a couple years ago.

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There was, I think it was, was it a French NORP outfit?

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There were like two, three dudes.

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They were doing like FPS games about one, like loading the other one's clips and stuff.

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But it totally looked like this.

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It was totally like taking the Mick PRODUCT out of both of the VR players.

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I just can't believe that someone actually made a game, put it on the store, market it.

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What is this thing called again?

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Stabbit VR PRODUCT.

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It's only as like three levels, you know, so like I said, the first one you start with a bat that's lower.

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And then the second one, I think that's when you have a higher bat.

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And then you get two.

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I said how to make a non-inappropriate?

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It's an interesting podcast today.

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I kind of want someone to grab their nana and put it.

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I was the same thing.

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It would be so good.

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But anyway, I thought it was, I don't know, like, I, this is my kind of sense of humor.

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I know it may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I thought it was hilarious.

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It'd make a great party game to just get your friends and headsets.

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Like, it's easy.

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You just stab it.

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Like, it's a simple mechanic. It's so perfect for YouTube ORG. Yeah. Especially if you're like, if you pretend like you clueless about it. Oh.

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Perfect.

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Guys.

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Oh, my wife doesn't know about this. She just asked to come on tomorrow's stream.

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Yeah. Just tell her it's a, it's a, it's a, I don't know if it's a solo dev, but just

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lie to her and tell her it's a solo dev game and, you know, he wants to get some feedback. So, but he wants feedback from someone who's not in the headset as much as you are. There you go. She's so gullible. I might do it.

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I might do it. I once, I once did it with, with Minecraft VR years ago, like 2016, 2017.

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And I convinced her that she had to, what was that? She had to like whack the headset or something to like enable or disable crouch.

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Something like that. I can't remember exactly what it was. But man, it was so funny. I was there with the keyboard. Like just pressing the buttons overriding her command while she was in the office.

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You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of, like just pressing the buttons overriding her command while she was in the other. You know what this reminds me of?

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It reminds me of, like, you guys watch South Park WORK_OF_ART ever, right?

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Yeah.

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There's this episode.

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It's called the, I think it's called the shake weight where all of the moms buy like this

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like, that's a real product.

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It is.

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It is.

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I literally found a $2 at a used store shake weight.

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And it was only then that I realized that the shake weight.

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I always thought the shake weight would actually vibrate with battery.

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It doesn't.

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It doesn't.

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It's just a shifting weight.

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It's like just a hesitant.

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You sound very disappointed by this.

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I was. I thought I was getting like a $2 discount.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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It's like national treasure, that kind of stuff, you know. I think that's an American NORP product.

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It sounds like it would be very, you know, proud USA GPE.

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Well, I also remember there used to be an exercise gadget, if you want to call it that, that would just like, it would just jiggle you with a belt, right?

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So if you're a little bit overweight, it would just jiggle the fat off you, it was the idea.

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Was that the thing you stand on?

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Popular in like a 60s.

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It's like a scale and you would just jiggle. Yeah.

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Jiggle everywhere.

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So that's your special highlight, hey?

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Yeah. The video was beautiful. I hope that's your special highlight, hey? Yeah.

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The video is beautiful.

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I hope that does wonders for you over on TikTok ORG.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Lovely, lovely highlight.

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All right.

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Who do we have up next? I think it's Jose PERSON up next. Oh, boy.

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Oh, boy.

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What's up, you guys?

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I don't got, I don't think I have anything of that level.

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I think I went, I think I went the complete opposite direction of the gaming spectrum.

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I've been playing a lot of old school games.

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So I really gotten into like emulation or got re-gotten into emulation pretty hardcore. So I, uh, been playing a lot of like Wii PRODUCT games, but like upscaled with with high graphics. So I'd be playing a lot of Super Paper Mario PRODUCT. I don't know if you guys have heard of that game.

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Yeah, good games.

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It's a pretty. Yeah. So I never actually, I never seen trailers of it, but never like actually playing it. So upscaling it and like, um, and VIA released a really decent, a pretty dope update for RTX PRODUCT cards called the, I think it's, actually I can tell you right now. Sure. Pretty, a pretty big game changer for people that have our TX cards on Windows PRODUCT one of the biggest issues right now is that we see all these coolstuff that Nvidia promotes like AI upscale and things like that we people on the computers really don't benefit as much unless the games are cooked into it so Nvidia released an update for their Nvidia Control Center PRODUCT. And it's eerily hidden, but if you right-click the Nvidia, if you open up the control panel,it's called the RTX PRODUCT video enhancement. So it pretty much brings up into the Windows PRODUCT OS level, all the cool AI upscaling and HDR, color filtering on Windows PRODUCT that was kind of broken and janky for a little bit.

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What card do you have?

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What RTCX code do? I'm using an RTX 10, 4080 PRODUCT. 3080 PRODUCT, 3080, sorry. No, no.

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30, 48. 40, 40, 40, 40. 40. Okay. 40.

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Yeah, I was like, cards.

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Yeah.

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But I think this works all the way up to the 2016.

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So.

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And the basic idea is for anyone who's, you know, not familiar with AI upscaling,

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is it similar to like when you take a standard definition DVD on a 4K panel and it is basically doing the upscale, but then sharpening and all the other fancy tricks.

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Exactly.

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And I'm curious, how does that help you with a, does it mess up the, like, as, Sorry, I'm trying to think back to like the Wii days.

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So think about SDR.

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That never look good.

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That like never look good on any device. I think the Wii PRODUCT was really aliased, you know? And we're talking about games at this moment, but it goes all the way back to SDR content. Like think about like 90s anime that hasn't received like the HDR upscaling.

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Now you can watch these natively on the computer and, you know, your graphics card is

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upscaling it natively.

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And now you get deeper colors.

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Just does it on the fly?

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It does it on the fly. Linus Tech Tips ORG actually released a video.

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I think about last week talking about it. And I saw that. I immediately jumped in. And I just been playing a lot of old school content on it. And the colors just, it's weird. It almost tricks their brain to reimagining this stuff.Like it's a little bit deeper colors because it's using a lot of AI upscale. But it's such a phenomenal update. But yeah, I've just been playing a lot of like, old school games. I mean, there must be. But like, have you noticed any like art affecting?

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Like, is there anything specifically that stood out there?

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So what you're doing is you do pixel prediction.

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Correct. So it's really bizarre. And you only notice a lot of artifacting when the content is already tailored for HDR because now you're kind of like double dipping. So it's kind of better to just, and it does have that on the keyboard. You can make like a hot key for you to disable, enable it on the fly.

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So you can watch video and you can just see how it looks

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and immediately disable it with the keyboard.

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Or with the game.

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Yeah, it's pretty gnarly updates.

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I kind of been kind of falling in love with operating systems all over again, kind of noticing Microsoft ORG, weirdly enough, making some really cool moves. And you can start seeing glimpses of what the computers are going to look like in the next few years at the OS level.

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And I'm just revisiting a lot of content. Almost me like kind of like regret not having all those backups of like movies and MP3s and stuff like that. Because it's like, uh, it's a little weird.

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Like what, um, those, those updates are, are something that typically pass me by for years until I like run across them randomly. Like where did you hear about it? How do you stay

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plugged in for like invidia ORG oh man um be a nerd I'm one of those more watching keynote conferences and press releases and streams for that but uh Linus tech tips um I think he's probably one of the better uh tech people out there there's also never heard of him oh man

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yeah who has it?

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I'm kidding.

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Yeah, I know. But, yeah, he actually made a video on this. It got a little bit of coverage in the tech circles. Barnacles, also a really big tech person on Twitter and on YouTube ORG, homie. But, yeah, I just, I plugged in. Or follow me.I don't know.

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Listen to the people that are obsessed about this kind of stuff, I guess.

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It's great because when you run across a trick like that and then you use it and you're like, why didn't I use this for the last five years? I mean, there's a benchmark still in my 15-year-old brain that says, when I can see golden eye on a screen or in a headset, like I have it in my head, then we'll be there. You know, with like AI and upscaling and all of that tech. Because the last time I looked at Golden Eye, maybe 15 years ago, God damn, it looked awful. I was like, I remembered it a certain way.

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It was not that way. It was. It's funny how that works, right, That your brain kind of like upscales it yourself.

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Right.

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Like the way that you imagine how it looked like it.

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Like, for example, like the first Halo PRODUCT game. Like, you know, if you look at that back now, you're like, oh, my days.

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But I remember looking at pictures and magazines of it and be like, oh, my, this is just like

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real life.

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So funny enough. Real life was Minecraft PRODUCT. Oh, man. You just blew. This is a completely side note, but also related to what you just said, Rowdy PERSON. I was having a conversation with a photographer this weekend, last weekend.And he was telling me, he was showing me a lot of pictures that, I guess one relative of his took like early 90 shots of like Michael Jordan PERSON doing like a dunk. And I was seeing all these pictures. And I said a joke about how these images, you can never like, no matter what kind of camera you use today, you can never like really catch that energy of back then. It's just the images never look like how you saw them. And those pictures perfectly capture that. And this guy blew my mind.And he goes like, well, the reason the images from then will never look like today or even live videos or anything is because most of the planet was full of cigarette smoke and nicotine. And that completely broke my brain.

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But that's the reason why all these images looked so had a different color tone. It was because the atmosphere was full of nicotine.

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Well, I can tell you that as a young lad in Ireland, like when I went to someone's 18th birthday, which is, you know, when we could legally go to the pub and drink alcohol together, man, like, I'm so glad the smoking ban came shortly thereafter because it was dire going into a bar. It was like thick cloud.

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Hey, but those pictures would have looked nice, though.

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They would look excellent. No one had a smartphone back then.

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No cameras, you know, you're not lugging around cameras, but

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that's interesting. I'll have to think back.

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Way, way back to the smoky pictures, the smoky era.

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Cool, Jose PERSON.

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Great.

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Well, next up then, Mr. Musi Kabusi, Routi PERSON himself.

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Yeah, I'm doing great.

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I think my highlight, I mean, we'll talk about it a little bit more,

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but I know that meta released their new open their new open source model. Lama 3 PRODUCT has now been released. I think just was it yesterday or the day before yesterday?

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Two days.

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Yeah, two days. Which is again a major a major thing, especially because like the open source this kind of stuff. Like I'm still kind of amazed by, you know, the effort and money that goes into this. And I'm really open sourcing this kind of, yeah, amazed by, you know, the effort and money that goes into this and really open sourcing this kind of technology.

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It's a little bit of backstep, I would say. It's a very smart strategic choice at, like, you know, how they position themselves in this market. And it's a little bit because, you know, like opening eye and like all of these other models, they're close source models. And open sourcing them means that everyone can work with these kind of models, can retrain them weights, get access to those weights. It's pretty impressive.And the performance as well has been, it's probably not yet up to par with what we see with GPT4. But I think that's to be expected. But yeah, I think this just shows like the investment that facebook has been doing because they they recently announced or recently like uh like not that long ago they they announced that they i think it was a march that they purchased was a 24 000 uh gp u clusters uh which allows them to train these kind of these kind of models uh which i think, because I looked it up here, it was, yeah,so they built out, we're aiming to continue to grow our infrastructure, build out that will include 350,000 NVIDIA ORG's H-100 GPUs

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as part of a portfolio that will feature compute power equivalent to nearly 600,000 H-1-100

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000. You know what I want to do with that?

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That's just...

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I just want to run crisis.

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Crisis. Yeah. Maximum power. Now, they already said the other statement that they tried it didn't work.

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But yeah, that's just shows, yeah, it's indeed, it's meta-money.

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There's only a couple of companies in the world probably that can actually physically do this. And, you know, that they, this is the cluster that they've used to train this model on. And I'm expecting to see probably a lot more in the coming months and years coming out from that. They made a really clear strategy because they've already, they're so predominant in this deep learning field because they also, you know, they develop Pytorch, which is the deep learning framework. I feel, at least in the industry that I work in,has kind of taken over the Google ORG competitor from that, which was TensorFlow, Keras PRODUCT.

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It's still very popular, but I see in research and industry, you know,

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the availability or the amount of times that we see Pite Torch PRODUCT,

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which was originally developed by meta, is being used as has been kind of taken over.

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And I think that that just shows like the kind of impact that they have specifically on this industry is really not to be underestimated. Exactly. And they're making a lot of right choices here. I think open sourcing this, what is that going to cause? It's going to cause a lot more people to be working specifically with these kind of models, which means that there'smore packages, more tools, more implementations that go into work with this because they can customize it. They have a full, they have a license with it. So it comes with a lot of advantages for, you know, people to make money with this while with open AI, even though, you know, people to make money with this. Wow, with with OpenEI, even though, you know, like, I do think that their models are probably

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better, quote unquote, like, you know, it depends, of course, on what you're doing. But the fact, there's still a close source model, you know, like it's, it's, you, you input something, you don't really have an idea what is happening that much behind the scene. And then you get, it's proprietary. You know, like there was this very famous discussion between, I think, a Microsoft ORG big shot. And then Jan LeCun PERSON, who was like, of course, working with, with meta AI.He's a pretty much an AI guru. And Microsoft ORG was based, I forgot his name. He's a pretty big guy. But anyway, he was saying basically, I forgot his name. He's a pretty big guy, but anyway, he was saying basically, pretty fat guy.

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He was basically saying, well, if people would choose between, you know, a company that is,

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you know, as a nonprofit that has this model. Oh, and that's how we was positioning opening eye, because, you know, it's a nonprofit that has this model. Oh, and that's how we was positioning OpenEI ORG, because, you know, it's a nonprofit, isn't that. Or between Meta or Facebook ORG, then people might choose, you know, the nonprofit. But Jan LeCoon's PERSON respond to that as yet, I can very well be if you have these kind of like, you know, okay, it's a for-profit company, but we're open soursourcing the model. You can't be more open than open-sourcing the model

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because the source code is right there. You can work with it. You can download the weights.

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You can do whatever you want with it. So that argument was kind of like, yeah, thrown out of the window.

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I think it's mad, though. Like, I do, I do see that because of the shadow that follows what used to be Facebook ORG around, people underestimate the power they actually carry. And I'm really interested in seeing how this plays out in the next two years. Because they're not playing around.

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These are like major tactical strategic moves.

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And this recent maneuver, in my opinion, is just it's going to cause a beating frenzy.

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Because if you're open AI now, and again, this is a main topic. We'll come back to it later.

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But it's just going to be a gravity well. And if OpenAI ORG don't respond really in kind, they're going to lose market share.

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This is very similar to when Meta did the $300 quest to play originally, which just it just ate 70% of the market.

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Like within six months, it was mad. And I'm fully convinced that OpenEiI still of the market, like within six months. It was mad.

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And I'm fully convinced that opening I still has the market share

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is the most popular company.

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But we see other players like kind of encroaching on that market share

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and meta knows really well how to play that game.

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And they don't mind losing money on this.

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That's the thing.

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They can lose as much.

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It's not their company. You know, this is just a side thing for them. Of course, it's going to turn into, we'll talk about it later, you know, the implementation

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of this and people are saying, some people are saying this is going to be the next big thing next to the invention of fire. You know, that's what some people are comparing it to. You know, like the scale of this of this is going to grow and every company is going to benefit for this. But Facebook ORG is very clearly positioning themselves as not as they're not interested per se in the market share of like their company, but all of the tools are going to be eventually leveragingsome part of what they're developing, whether it being Pite Torch PRODUCT, whether it being their Lama 3 PRODUCT model, whether it being, you know, whatever it is. They're building like they're very, whether it being Pite Torch, whether it being their Lama 3 model, whether it being, you know, whatever it is. They're building, like they're very much doing with VR. They're building this framework for people to use and develop their own products for, which is a very smart thing. And I know we talk and we complain a lot about Facebook ORG, but I've always said if Facebook was an evil company or meta was an evil company, I think they could do far worse things.I'm not saying they're not doing bad things, but they could make things a lot worse if they, if they had, I mean, yeah, they probably couldn't because of laws and regulations.

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Hopefully they can't.

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Well, yeah, hopefully, hopefully they can't.

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I wanted to add to what you said just now, though, that they hopefully that what is the harm that they could do, if anything, they are doing that to their competitors in a way?

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Because by them open sourcing one of the biggest AI models, they just pretty much, they pretty much destroyed a pathway for any AI company to ever even reach the level of success or traction.

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No, I don't agree with that because it's the same thing as, for example, the internet.

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They could have made the internet a proprietary thing as well, but they did it. You know, the internet was freely available for everyone to build and explore. And I think this technology is very similar to that. Because what Open AI has done this as well, by the way, where they kind of like destroyed companies that were leveraging their API tools and building agents. Then after three months or four months of the model being available, they implemented that agent thingthemselves where everyone could build agents in GPT, which meant all of those PDF agent companies and those companies, the chatbot agent companies, they were now losing a large part of their revenue because now people could just, you know, with a click of a button, if they were subscribed to the Open AI, you know, subscription platform fee, they could now leverage that themselves. So I think every company kind of does that, but the way that Mattas ORG positioning themselves as doing it,open source, making it freely available, giving it to the hands of the people is a very smart strategic choice.

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One big question for your ready on this basis. When you were talking there, it reminded me

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very much of the foreign exchange market. I know we're going into serious stuff now. We'll get

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back to games in a second. One of the things that's an's an opportunity is is inefficiency in the market generates the ability for people to trade, right? So same thing here. Like there's been a lot of leapfrogging in the language model space where people are leveraging various AI tools. And one of the inefficiencies in that is you don't realize company A can offer you something for half the price of company B. There's just so much noise at the moment that I feel like the intermediaries can just cash out so much. And we see that even for the podcast, for example.You know how many per week offers I get of people saying, hey, I can make a short clips of your podcast for X amount of dollars. So it's like, I don't want that. I've already had that offer in 17 times. But I do feel like there's a lot of business opportunity there right now. And inevitably, if we end up with a model that is open source, that is like the internet, then those inefficiencies will eventually collapse down again.So it's a bit of a gold rush right now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And I see some people commenting in the chat as well. They're worried about like privacy concerns. I do want to, there's two different things that I'm talking about here. You have meta AI, which is, you know, the platform that they're released, built on Lama 3 PRODUCT. And then you have Lama 3 PRODUCT, the model itself. If you're using Lama 3 PRODUCT within your company, you need to host it yourself.So you need to download the way it's down with the model. There is no data being sent to matter. There is no data being shipped anywhere except for where you're sending it to within the structure of your company. So it's a local deployment or it can be a cloud deployment if you do it in a cloud. But it's, the model itself is hosted by you not by for example with open a i gpt those models you don't have access to they're hosted at the open a i service and you pay per request that's not the case with with lama three you can download the ways they're on hugginface you can just download those weights deploy those models they have an eight billion parameter model and 70 billion parameter model and $70 billion parameter model. Don't try deploying the $70 billion.

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I'm just imagining people downloading shake weights now.

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That's all. Yeah.

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It's going to work. Well, there you go. That was cool.

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It's neat.

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I always appreciate you guys come from like very different directions with your highlights. I mean, here's Adam PERSON stabbing some bats and degenerate. Let's watch that video just one more time now.

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We've got the shakeweight downloads from Rowdy and Jose PERSON keeping us fresh with old school gaming in 4K.

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So with that chat, thanks for making it out to the live broadcast.

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We appreciate the, it's a long drive for you.

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You had to wait in line for hours and the beer here really is quite expensive.

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Well, we hope you enjoy it anyway.

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And give us a shout in chat.

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If there's anything you'd like to share with us.

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And with that, it's time for my little highlight. I've got two. The first one's very quick. I played some games last weekend. And every so often I'll just take a bunch of games, you know, five, six games and just kind of dip into them.And two of them I left really impressed with. One of them that we didn't cover much on the show before was Stranger Things VR PRODUCT.

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So if you're a fan of the show, this is from Tender Clause PRODUCT. And they've done some really trippy stuff in the past in VR. I remember you're a fan of the show, this is from Tender Claus ORG and they've done some really trippy stuff in the past in VR. I remember going to see

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Shakespeare's The Tempest WORK_OF_ART, a live production through one of their I've never been able to remember the app's name. This kind of weird I don't know how to, psychedelickind of construct that they had and they were putting on live productions. But Stranger Things VR PRODUCT, I think is really interesting because just like the upside down, you, this game turns everything inside out. So the show itself is a bunch of teens in kind of this late 80s, early 90s set up and some really interesting stuff starts happening with weird creatures and disappearances. And if you haven't been a fan of the show, I don't want to spoil it for you.But there's one bad guy involved in the show called Vecna PERSON, and actually the VR game, you aren't the good guys, you're the bad dude. And this means that Tender Clause PRODUCT had in their hands the capability to give you what the bad dude. And this means that tender claws had in their hands the capability to give you what VR has as one of its main strengths, kind of superpowers, or a feeling of being empowered as something greater than yourself. We see this in games like underdogs, where you feel like you're in this giant steel meck and you just feel all powerful. And in thisgame, it's like that. But they got the organic nature of the game with this kind of rooting, like a tree root system, that you control through the power Zvecna PRODUCT. And your movement mechanisms are kind of an extension of roots, almost if you were grout. And you can maneuver yourself around levels. There's areas where you're controlling the minds of other creatures,just through all of this, you feel imbued with a certain element of power. And the strange kind of artistic take that Tender Clause PRODUCT always bring to their VR experiences or games is imbued right there alongside it. So if you are a fan of Stranger Things WORK_OF_ART, the television series, I'd say, check this out because it's a pretty damn good pivot off of the series. And nestles in story-wise. I haven't gotten to the later hours of the game yet, but nestles in to a place where it canready you for the upcoming series as well. So, really cool.

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So you liked it then? Because I heard mixed like things about it. I have it, but I haven't played yet because I like on, was on this season and then got cut out. But people were kind of mixed about it. Yeah.

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And I can see why they're mixed. I'm a guy who likes David Lynch PERSON films. So, you know, put that there.

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If you've ever watched anything what David Lynch PERSON has created, it's totally, like a totally

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bizarre side. If you like bizarre stuff, but you like, enjoy that feeling of power, I thought

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Rowdy PERSON, this might be up your street because of things like control, for example, a game that you like where you do have that kind of superhuman element to you. But again, I haven't gotten far enough to give it a final verdict, but my initial kind of hour or two with it has been really solid.

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What I really like about it is like the art style again.

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I think that just works so well in VR because that lower fidelity what they play with

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with the cartoony or like the, it's not cartoon. It's more like comic style, you know, like comic book style.

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Sal PERSON shaded sort of.

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Sal PERSON shaded.

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Yeah, that kind of stuff I, just works so well in VR.

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And they're getting better at it.

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What was that lies within?

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It was the horror game, I think, where they did similar.

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But this is, or sorry, lies beneath, lies beneath.

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And in this, I didn't see aliasing, the organic nature of the roots growing and some of the powers

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and some of the powers and

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some of the orbie energy kind of patterns that you see in it, they all felt really quite organic, not like here's a VR game that's struggling to kind of tell me the story it wants to tell. It felt like right on par with that. So, you know, playing it on Quest PRODUCT, I was like, it's right at home. That's how it felt. So I wanted to give people a shout. Because I feel like it's one of those titles that, as I said, Adam PERSON, it kind of got mixed reception.And the problem with VR today is that things kind of come and go just so fast, like people just stop talking about stuff and, you know, a month later. So that's one. The other one that I played, which is similar, but in terms of, you know of having great power and great responsibility, is one about controlling a whole community in a third world country.And that's Tropico PRODUCT.

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So Tropico PRODUCT, many of you will know from the desktop game.

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I'm excited for this. Yeah. You're going to get into it, Adam PERSON. And the first thing, you're going to go, holy shit, why does it look so terrible?

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So if you take any PC game and you're like, give it to a company and say, port this to VR,

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it's going to be scaled inappropriately. It's going to be alias. It's going to have jaggies. The text is going to be awkward to read. Things aren't going to match. Tropos ORG got all. Tropico PRODUCT's got all of that, unfortunately. That said, I'd never played Tropico before. I've played games like Black and White and Sim City PRODUCT and like I love like management type games, right?

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Yeah. But my wife being a big Tropico PRODUCT fan goaded me into playing this. And so I did.

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And I have to say like, you know, having the pleasure every two weeks of being podcast host, being a dictator never felt so natural, you know? So first off, you start off and you pick your character. And in this case, the character we went for was a shirtless, kind of Sasha Barriconan kind of looking guy. He looked hilarious, like chin, strap beard and have a pipe, and he's walkingaround the place, just shirtless, staring at walls blankly, really weird AI, honestly. But the building mechanics of the game where you're like, I'll build a little eskuela, I'll build a school for my people, or a clinica, or all this kind of stuff. And it's done in a very kind of nice desert, you know, tropical island. I don't know if that's generated or it's always static. I imagine that static.It's basically a donut island. And you start off and it's a little bit less controlled than like SimCity PRODUCT. So you don't build a certain grade of road. You just say, okay, A to B, this is where the dirt road goes. And the more populated it becomes, it will eventually upgrade to like a tarmac road. And it's similar with the people that you have in there, like the population, if you don't build homes for them, they'll literally be happy just to build shanty towns like in the worst parts of your place and just drag down your economy.

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And it's amazing.

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So the gameplay is great.

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Did you play little cities? I think that's what it's called. How would you compare this?

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Little Cities FAC felt like it felt more like a relaxation app than a city sim to me because

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you aren't like into the hardcore management like in Cities VR PRODUCT, right?

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It's not like the management side where you're focused on tax and economy and all of that as much. I'd say little cities was, I really liked it. It was it was easy to make roads. It was easy to create little, you know, jurisdictions and then slowly build up. But it felt almost handheld. Tropico PRODUCT doesn't mind if you feck up your society. And my God, I did. You know, you can you can overspend and then get indebted to governments

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you're fighting for political power between like the u.s korea russia like all this stuff and you're

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just some little island and so the political powers play part is fun there is some management aspect to it in terms of like taxing your people and giving them tax breaks or whatever so i felt like it was it was satisfying from a management sim perspective. I think it would give me longer longevity than like little cities. But it looks god awful. That's the truth of the matter.As a game that should have been a better quality port, there's plenty of headroom for the devs to come in and patch up to the point where they're using Quest 2 or Quest 3 PRODUCT's real potential. So I don't know. I don't know what other platforms it's on, but Tropico PRODUCT was fun. I loved my kingdom of unsuspecting Banana Huts. It was quite cute. I'll go back to it is what I think. So it's not just a single play. But it looks

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terrible. It looks really terrible. So I hope they do fix that because the game itself,

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the core game, um, would probably get me into playing like flat Tropico PRODUCT. You know, I always saw it years ago, but I never got a chance to play it.

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Tropico PRODUCT's fun. And you'll, I'll be curious if, how was the soundtrack? Did they bring back the, I mean, you wouldn't know of a comparison, but I would always have those songs in the background of my head

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just like doing normal tasks and I got the tropical music in the past.

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My chat loved the soundtrack.

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They were like, they were like this is the shit.

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It's just like real chilled out, but like...

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Peppy.

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Island life.

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Island life kind of like, how would I describe it? Very, uh, I wouldn't say Jamaican NORP, but...

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Were you an island boy?

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Well, I was when I was growing up, so it just felt like being up.

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I thought that home.

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I think Adam PERSON got a reference.

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Yeah.

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He's a shame of the clan.

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Over the heads.

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Yeah, Skyline PRODUCT was another one.

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That's another VR kind of game.

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So that's my highlights.

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Those two little games.

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Those were my joy over the last week into.

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With that,

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I think it's a good time that we mention this week's sponsor.

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Any other thoughts on Synth Riders PRODUCT, guys?

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So fun, the 80s pack.

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Like, I like the music, like the selection is ace.

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Hopefully, Pac B, if I could go my way, just fill it up with Phil Collins PERSON. Just, just all Phil Collins. Like, that's, I'm a Phil Collins, like, Stan PERSON. It's a good question.

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What would we ask them for? I'm sure they've already got a planned, actually. They probably

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already picked their, their tracks, but, um, who would there be? I'm trying to remember. My parents

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used to have, oh, I can't remember. It's going to come to me later in the podcast, and I'll trying to remember. My parents used to have, I can't remember. It's going to come to me later in the podcast and I'll mention it then. Anyway, with that, let's get out to the news. So, as Rowdy PERSON mentioned, it is highlight. Meta ORG have recently launched Lama 3to the open schools of fish on the web. And I want to highlight some of the things that are fun. And it's not something that usually takes much interest from me. But again, having Rowdy in Discord PRODUCT means I usually have to pay attention to these things. But had a bit of a play with this one. Sorry. Their aim is to compete with other leaders like OpenAIs chat GPT and offer, they're offeringtext prompt responses and an imagined feature, which boasts an impressive draw time, and a cool animation capability which brings your thoughts to life. Routy, I don't know if we're going to be able to do this, but I'd love to do a live demonstration

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with chat, try and out a couple of prompts.

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So chat, give us a couple of prompts, and we'll create the images and animate live.

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Let your imagination...

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I don't know if the images will work, because you need to lock in, I think, for the images.

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Oh, do you not have an account?

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No.

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It's a pity that I can't.

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It's okay.

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Don't worry about that.

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Is it a meta account or specifically like a metaphor AI account?

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Facebook ORG account.

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Oh, Facebook ORG. You're a Facebook ORG account. Now, I know there's integration. So meta's got a standalone website. And this is the thing that kind of impressed me the most about this, aside from the fact that the open source and news,which is much, much bigger than what impressed old Zim. But the fact that you go to meta.com to just try this out. You can do it now live while we're doing the podcast. And you can enter prompts like you can in chat GPT. There's no subscription to it, which is pretty neat. You're obviously feeding them your prompts and they're getting to know you a little bit better.If you decide to log in with a Facebook ORG account, then you can do their equivalent of, again, drawing pictures. I was doing this a little bit earlier. I had them create a keyboard for a gorilla, show these big chunky keys and a gorilla in a business suit. And then I click the little animation button and it turns it into a little video, almost like a vine. But it's all animated and it was done on the fly.And I would actually say quicker than I was probably more familiar with ChatGPT's GPT3 model. And I would say it was quicker to create than that. So I was pretty impressed at the open door capabilities. And my wife, for example, who pays for the regular recurring subscription, I was like, hmm, got to consider maybe we just turn that tap off and you can use this one instead. So like it was saying earlier to Rowdy PERSON's point, I do feel like there's a bit of a feeding frenzy.Because, hey, if I can get it for free, why would I pay? You know, is the kind of mentality a lot of people follow. But better aim for this platform to be the most intelligent AI assistant that people can use freely across the world. It's been integrated into a number of places, including Instagram ORG's search bar, and it has real-time search from both Google and Bing ORG. I thought that was really cool, because one of the restrictions I had before with GPT ORG was I couldn't ask it relevantday-to-day internet savvy questions. I go over to meta.a.i and I'm like, oh, I can actually just ask it direct things. I asked it a few questions about the podcast. I asked it about the weather,local sports teams and that type of thing. And of course...

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If you have a subscription with Open AI PRODUCT, you are able to feed it data though.

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From... Have it visit websites? Yeah. Yeah, I think able to feed it data, though. From the web. Visit websites. Yeah. Yeah, I think my wife said that too. And search things as well. But like the reason this is kind of exciting to me, I think, is I'm still itching.And I do mean itching on picking up another pair of those, the meta wayfarer sunglasses.

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With the now that Adam PERSON, you know, showcased for us the AI kind of integration, the talk through smarts that it has,

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limited, I'll be it. And I think for someone like me who doesn't have, I don't usually keep a phone

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plan running while I'm out and about, you know, it limits the usefulness of it. But even on the home front,

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I can use them. And because it's sunny out, it's like I need, I need sunglasses, but they're

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bloody sold out. Those feck and transition lenses, the ones that you have at them, are sold out all over the place. So I don't know. They must be selling like hotcakes, I was thinking. This feature, by the way, so Meta ORG's AI and the Lama 3 update, is rolled out to a number of places it hasn't been before. So I'll just read some of those out. In case you happen to be listening from Ghana, Mali, New Zealand, Jamaica, Australia, Nigeria, Uganda, Zimbabwe GPE.I'm always fighting with Zimbabwe GPE over IP rights. Zambia, South Africa, Singapore, Pakistan, and the United Kingdom GPE. Oh, and Canada GPE. And the U.S. GPE is in there, too. They didn't forget about us. So I would say go give it a shot.I'm curious how this starts to influence people's behavior when searching and thinking and preparing. It does seem very easy to get to the front door and it does a goodway of like suggesting things for you dynamically that maybe you'd be interested in trying prompts. So it's even to some extent not letting you think for yourself. It's not just a blank chat box.It's like feeds you some ideas to start. I don't know. I don't know where all this is going, but I can tell you, I always feel when I use chat bots like this, these AI assistants,it's like I feel like they're blowing smoke up my ass. You know, like you're giving me the best like harmonized answer you possibly could give me just so that I buy it and we move on instead of me hitting you with a ruler and saying, you didn't get it right.

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I really like what you said about, like, how it programs people's behavior.

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Because I just sent it to Rowdy PERSON, something really cool to share. But Meta actually released a trailer for the AI release using Mark Zuckerberg's. Like, if everybody has noticed the last few months, he has been like doing a lot of side quests and showing up in a lot of places. They used all that as marketing for the Lama AI because they show him asking questions and then following that up with his journeys, which is something that a lot of people are starting to really talk about, which is by asking questions,

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people feel like they're doing, let's say, the heavy work of knowledge gathering, getting you prepared to do a task. Like, hey, how do I get into equestrian, you know, research? And then you just read up on that. And it gives you at least a good first step for you to just go out of your way to now just do it. Right?So I think that that programming is, like, really well shown in that video that that, that meta released. It's pretty fascinating. You actually see Mark PERSON asking questions about swords and you see him cutting down that,

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they show that video that went viral recently with him cutting down stuff and but yeah that's cool um i would say one thing a clue list is said

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in chat not available in the UK GPE so this is really funny and again goes back to my blog smoke

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of my ass comment a little bit earlier i checked out metis post where they were saying where it was

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being launched and i noticed the UK GPE was not listed.

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And I was like, that can't be right, because they're rolling out in Nigeria GPE, you know, and all these other places. And I thought, okay, meta must be focusing on smaller markets, which is really smart, right? Get out there, block everybody else, like, just get into the market as a freebie. And then I went to back to the app. I went to meta.com ORG.. I said, what countries are you available in? And it listed the UK GPE. So I don't know. Maybe that's misinformation. If it is,

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it's coming straight from the source. So I don't know. Like I said, I don't trust the responses

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that these things give me yet. And my concern is, as I see it on the work front as well, like we are gearing up to a time when, you know, we're going to get a level of assistance, I feel like across all companies at the users engaging with a company like for customer services or support, where all you get is that an unintelligent response, which has been fed to them, that they regurgitate to you,or it's just straight from an AI chatbot or something. And it's like, no one does any thinking. No one does any challenge, you know? So I don't know how we're going to get past this phase, but it feels like a very wide uncanny valley when it comes to believing the responsethat I'm being fed as a consumer.

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It's so funny because the people watching it are probably going to get a better laugh at this than the ones listening. But as you mentioned, not trusting the training, Rowdy PERSON showed the meta AI video. And you see Mark Zuckerberg literally putting a prompt about learning how to pilot a helicopter. You see him flying a toy helicopter, but I agree. I think that the learning stuff is very scary, especially if you still hear terms like hallucination in the feedback that, you know, like it makes me think of like old school. I forgot what the movie it was.I think it was like called Kong Pow WORK_OF_ART. But it was like this, it was like a wacky movie, but there was like a martial arts, quote, unquote, bad guy. But it turns out that the master trained them incorrectly on purpose. So he thought that losing meant winning. And I keep thinking about somebody incorrectly learning through AI.

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But the problem is that, especially with the training and all this, like, the way the corrective model works and evolves, there will be a sliver somewhere in it that's a bug, essentially a defect in the knowledge. And it will just keep compounding to the point where like a callous, it's this hard thing that no one can break. And it's like, that's not correct.And all of the language models have it. And we're all told it's just, I see that coming at us. It's this hard thing that no one can break. And it's like, that's not correct. And all of the language models have it. And we're all told it's just, I see that coming at us. And it's not the, it's not the small little use cases that bother me. It's the marginalization of, of someone who's on the sideline. It's an action that a robot later infused with AI is going to take that's just just silly. Like, for example, taking a brillo pad and putting it into my sandwich and then feeding it to me.Like, you know, something that a human would never do because we're a little bit smart, some of us anyway. And it's like there's just, I just feel like we're going to find these situations coming up again and again in our future.

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Typically, with any of these kind of models and training algorithms and these kind of things, there are certain evaluation criteria that are being evaluated. You have something called precision. You have something called recall. And it has to do with the amount of positive errors and negative errors that you get. For example, false positives, false negatives. And you can optimize these algorithms to either of those specific kind of categories.So you can optimize a model for precision. You can optimize a model for recall. So you can play around with that a little bit to try and optimize those models. I know in the medical field that is being done a lot, for example, for example, the efficacy of a drug, or if you want to make a prediction of a diagnosis, you know, you need to ask yourself, what is worse predicting someone, for example, someone has cancer, but you predict that they don't have cancer?

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Or is it worse that if you have someone who does not have cancer and you predict that they do have cancer? There are different implications. You can make an argument for both of those kind of things, and it depends very often on the business model. But the way that these evaluations of these kind of models always work is that they try and optimize for either one of those depending on the specific use case

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for the cancer diagnosis it's probably you know for a surgeon business it's probably better to say you know what we want a white screening we're giving a lot of false positives and then we do further testing to actually see if the person has cancer or not.

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But if, for example, it's a very expensive test. Like for example, an insurance is not going to pay for a lot of false positives. So they're more likely to say, okay, we don't want too many false negatives. So we're going to start optimizing for different things.

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So these kind of models, and I mean, we're going to go into the discussion probably a little bit later, but we're not at a point, at least in my opinion, where any of these kind of models can compete with human intelligence.

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These kind of models are to be used by humans. They make things more efficient, easier to use. Your productivity will increase. That's the goal of these kind of models. And eventually, I do a thing that, you know, a large part of the work that we do on a typical basis is going to be replaced by these kind of models.But that's not going to be like a switch where all of a sudden this is going to happen. This needs to be integrated, validated, tested. And that's why it's important, I think, to have these kind of discussions about this, because it's not so that these models will just be put into place and start making errors left, right and center before they have been, I've gone to rigorous testing. And I know we're talking a lot about the LLMs, but the LLMs are only a very small portion of like the entire likescene of AI that has been going out there. And sure, they're very much in the media because they do so much. You know, they it's, but it's still just text generation. You can use these kind of text generation models to build them in your data pipeline and then introduce these evaluation criteria to actually perform specific sets of testing. So that's, I, I'm not scared of that specifically.

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I think I would be more scared of like what is happening with the data. Who, what data is being used? You have selection bias, you know, like the evaluation criteria that are happening off to the models. What are those like? What are we optimizing for? That's the, I think that's the more complicated thing that we need to try.

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I think I would give you a little bit of pushback, even though I agree, because like there's something that I feel like you're not accounting for that terrifies me the most. And you said that this cannot surpass human intelligence. But I feel like the people that say that are very smart people. Like, I don't want to sound disrespectful to most,

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to most people I know on a day-to-day basis,

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but like, I, no, no, but they're being right.

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I'm saying right now. He's saying right now.

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This is not, like, this is just a language prediction.

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Well, this is not intelligence.

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Oh, I agree with that.

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Jose PERSON's saying right now, too, right?

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Yeah, I am saying right now. The bottom of the pyramid. Here's the thing, though, like, I, I, I agree with that. But I think Jose PERSON's saying right now, too, right? Yeah, I am saying right now.

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Bottom of the pyramid.

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Here's the thing, though.

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Like, I obviously, it has gotten much easier.

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But when like the AI boom was happening, for example, and this is something that happens

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to me on a day-to-day basis as somebody who runs a company, we get a lot of suspicious, and they're getting eerily better to the point that you don't know if it's a human or an AI writing them.

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So I may not be falling for them, but if I even sometimes give a double take, imagine the people that are not giving that the double take.

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So they're being full now.

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I get it.

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Like for example, like those email scams, they're going to get way better.

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Like phone scams are going to get way better.

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Like scamming is going to become a lot, lot better. Like this is just going to be able to do it much better. Like, phone scams are going to get way better. Like, scamming is going to become a lot, lot better.

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Like, it's just going to be able to do it much better.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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That's a very funny way to frame scams.

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So what you're saying is we're all going to be duped a lot more.

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And it's like, oh, that is from my bank.

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Oh, wait.

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Hang on a second.

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Oh, God, that happened to me.

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I thought somebody in the Impact Reality Discord PRODUCT was a bot, but they were actually a human

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because they had like the mid-jorney image. And their Discord PRODUCT uses a lot of bots to do automation things. So when they're like,

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oh, I'll hand this over to this person. She's like, hi, I'm so-and-so's assistant. And I'm like,

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are you a real person? I couldn't be 100% sure. And then, you know, they laughed at me and it

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was fine. But it was weird. But up until this point, let's see before that, you know, they laughed at me and it was fine, but it was weird. Yes, I am real.

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But up until this point, let's say before that, you know,

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Chatsyptee PRODUCT came into existence, a lot of the AI, the machine learning,

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the deep learning models, they were very much aimed at a specific task. So they would do one thing specifically very well. Now all the hype is about, you know, general artificial intelligence, something that can kind of do everything, you know, like you don't need to have a specific model for doing, and we're not there yet. Let me, let me make that clear. We're not there yet. But these LLMs and these chat models, because they're so well trained, they're so big, they've seen so much data, text data.They can give that impression of general knowledge.

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So they give the impression that they, if you ask them questions, they give you answers.

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And those answers are fairly well structured. They're fairly well written. They're not necessarily always true.

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That's the thing. But they're getting better at that. They're getting much better at that. The confidence. But this is my biggest bug bear. They come back to you, like, showing you, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll give youan answer. Here's the answer. I always feel like it's an eighth grader handing me a report. Like, I don't buy it. Did you write this? Is this real?You know, if I fact check it or I ask for the opposite thing, it gives me something that looks almost the exact same, just with some negative language in there.

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And it's like, hang on a second, pick aside.

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So that's my main problem right now. And I do not feel comfortable trusting the output.

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But that's why I'm saying that these models are tools to be used by people. For example, if you have an illness, no, if you have an illness, you can ask chat GPT, you know, these are my symptoms. What diagnosis do you give me? Right? You can do that. And chat GPT or whatever model that you're using will give you a diagnosis. It's not necessarily a real diagnosis. And I wouldn't trust the diagnosis either. But if you now go into a medical field and you, for example, have a doctor that sees, you know, hundreds of patients a day.

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And, you know, yes, for example, an application that records audio. That audio gets summarized by textual models into like specific intersections. The doctor, a diagnosis is predicted. The doctor looks at the symptoms, looks at a predicted diagnosis and verifies, yes, this diagnosis is correct. No, it is not the diagnosis that would give. And that input loop gets like, you get a feedback loop and the molecule gets retrained forthat specific purpose. Those are kind of things that I see is very valuable because it reduces the amount of time that the doctor has to spend on reading through enormous amounts of text or more large documents, summarizing condensing information. That's what's been done before chat GPT a lot as well. You know, it's a lot hasizing condensing information. That's what's been done before JetGPT a lot as well. You know, a lot has been condensing information. But we're now also going to generating information,which is a little bit more complicated because, you know, like where is this generation coming from? But there is large value in that, but I do think that especially for these kind of crucial decisions, we still need that human in the loop,

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but the amount of time that that human in the loop is spent is going to be less. So that's what my

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impression is. Well, I don't know. And so what's the best use of this new savvy technology that

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say, I know you and Adam PERSON use this kind of a bit. So either we have good a use case to share with people, like things they should be considering doing then with.

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If you're a coder, it's debugging. I think, you know, having an error code

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and being able to fill it in

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and it basically searches through the entire database

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of Stack Overflow ORG and every other user

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has ever encountered to summarize that information

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and give a structured response

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as to like how to approach that,

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that's a major time saver. Yeah.

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It's not always right. But again, you can test it and validate it. And it's that human in the loop, right?

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I think it, I mean, it depends on your profession. Like for me, because I'm in marketing, I only use it for marketing purposes to write copy. Because a lot of creative tasks that I'm just like, I don't want to do this because brain not working today. So maybe I am part of the percent that Jose PERSON is talking about in the very dumb people. But great for as long as you, what I use it for is, so I'll let it know, you know, the target audience, which I guess if you start a new company technically, you can have AI help youcome up with a target audience to begin with, which is crazy.

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But you, you know, put in your target audience company

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product information as much as you can feed it. And then I'll have it help me come up with content

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ideas for TikToks PRODUCT or announcement copies or specific update. Just brainstorming, right? Just

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brainstorming with it and having that feedback platform is so helpful in trying to get like a structure. I will say that a lot of times I have to edit out like it'll give me the good main idea, but then I have to go in and it gives me way too many adjectives. I have to like get rid of the adjectives. It's too like immersive. Like it loves immersive for some reason.

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That's its favorite adjective, I swear.

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But it gives me at least a structure to use and I just have to chop out and maybe rearrange a couple of things. But that would have taken me like a couple hours to sit and I just have to chop out and maybe rearrange a couple things. But that would have taken me like a couple hours to sit there and be like, how do I put all this information into something concise that will fit in a tweet or will fit in a Discord post that's not going to be, you know, this long thing. And yeah, that saves me a lot of time. And I use it almost every day. It's crazy.

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One of my buddies calls it a productivity calculator. You know, like, and that's like a really good way because how calculators are used for like math equations to like some of the time. It's for productivity. I use it a lot for brainstorming. I think that's one of the use cases that I think why it's so buzzed around in the startup and enterprise world is because it's really good with like preparing a business model or preparing a target audience analysis of what customers you're going to be talking to. It's really cool for that, which that's the reason probably why it scares me the most because it goes back to scamming.It's customer service is if there's value, it's a service. If there's no value, it's a scam. So there's, it's same process when you really think about it. So it's, I don't know.

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I really think that the, the human factor in this should be really reconsidered.

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And I think a lot of, I think it's also a level of respect that we have now for other fellow people that we don't take it. The reason I'm bringing that like is I was watching. I love reading books about AI and computer history. And AI is something that researchers and computers have been talking for a very long time. And there is a specific documentary called, I think it's like the machine that changed the world and there's a specific partin this documentary about AI and they talked about how AI eventually could outsmart humans and it felt disrespectful like if you see it todaybut they used somebody who visually you could tell had some mental inptudes. I don't know how to say it. Impairments. And they made that comparison that, yeah, maybe not the mainstream.

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Human may not be outsmarted, but we don't take into account how many handicapped humans

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we have in our planet.

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And that's the real threat. It's the handicapped. It's the our planet. And that's the real threat. It's the handicapped. It's the people that don't have the mental safeguards to say, is this an AI or not?

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Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

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Definitely.

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It's an interesting, it's an interesting, interesting tool.

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We'll keep keeping an eye on it. The cool thing is that I like that, I kind of like that meta is in in this race They can be distracted from posting silly pictures in the metaverse And instead focus their energies here a little bit But just just kind of coming off the AI topic Unless anyone else has anything else to say there I'm going to pivot to meta in the education spaceJose thanks for Spike PERSON and me this link a little earlier So meta had previously launched MetaQuest for Business PRODUCT, right? And in a similar play, they're creating yet to be named, but I'm going to put air quotes around this as I say it, metaQuest for school product that will allow multi-device management, like with their business line,the creation of synced up training experiences, and of course, helping to train educational buyers how to procure batches of hardware from meta warehouses. Jokes about procurement aside, this seems to be another copycat from meta, in my opinion. Ten years ago, we had a company EngageXR ORG founded around this similar purpose. And they've brought a platform to educators and event organizers alike,this kind of place that you could go with props in a pseudo classroom environment and travel to a place together, be back in a classroom. What's just airing there on screen, actually, is a video from two years ago from Meta ORG, where they were exploring the concept of education for VR. But it looked like one of the levels in Assassin's Creed VR PRODUCT.

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It really got me.

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I was like, did you guys use prefabs from Assassin's Creed and one of your upcoming game projects?

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I don't know. The two seem to be too closely linked,

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in my opinion, but the timeline would be right. But that to one side. Yeah, Engage PRODUCT was a really cool platform still around, still being used for event organizers and educators, as I said, some universities use it. And that's just something, that's another one of these companies, VR companies that have been around, you know, in this case, for 10 years. And then you've got meta coming on the scene yet again, like better do. And they're like, well, we're going to do that too.

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Yeah, we're going to do that. Exactly. And it was, it was just, it was just interesting to say that

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kind of like, you know, Horizon PRODUCT, when it moved in on and encroached on

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you know, VR chat and Rec Room PRODUCT and Alt Space with Horizon PRODUCT,

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the problem that I see that Meta ORG has not done well. When they were Oculus ORG, when they were Facebook ORG, when they were Oculus by Facebook or Meta ORG by Facebookand Oculus, like the whole way along, one thing they don't seem to do very well, which on the flip side, we've seen Apple ORG do quite well, is cross-app integration. Like they tend to set up an island and then develop that island by itself and it'll be an isolated product. And then they'll do another one and another one. And the only thing that we've seen in recent times that's really stuck, I would say, is the meta-avitar system and theuniversal menu, which is going across their headsets. But even that doesn't have the same feature set on every device. So if you are hopping from device to device and app to app, you see some consistency, but really not enough for someone who's the platform owner. So, you know, with them now considering to move into this, you know, scholastic area and bringing about, you know, for educators, a couple of, you know, headsets in a classroom,be able to see something. I just wonder how that's going to pan out. And I'm curious about all your opinions about this. Maybe Jose first. You spiked me the article.

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So what are your thoughts on this? I'm glad you mentioned Engage PRODUCT. That's exactly what went through my mind. I made a joke just a few seconds ago, meta-do. But that's exactly what it is. They're seeing a lot of traction now in the education and training space.They're seeing a lot of companies that are bringing value there. And at the end of the day, Meta ORGQuest or Meta themselves, they're seen as the proprietor of the hardware. They're not really seen as the hand-holded, trusted vessel for the adoption and to be in that conversation, which means that it ends up breaking their business model. And that's what I wanted to mention earlier about when Roddy PERSON was talking aboutmeta, how they have these incentives. But they're proving that they're not really about that when it comes to VR, right? Because they're they're signifying, hey, we don't want anyone to bring value to our ecosystem except ourselves. We want to own the entire process. We want to bring in, you know, value through, through adoption, but it has to be handled through us.It's our infrastructure or none of all. You know, there's engaged.

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It's like, hey, AI stuff.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's like, hey, AI to everyone, but VR, like, hold on, wait, there's some, put some

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barriers in place.

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Do you think they, do you think they learned from the years, the years in VR and now they've changed their ways?

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Or do you think it's just a strategy?

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I'll give you a better one.

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Meta ORG's not known at this moment for AI.

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So if you open source competitive business model, now, if anything, you devalued a competing

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industry and you brought the attention back to VR.

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Right?

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Was there a counterpoint that Redhead PERSON earlier?

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That's what I'm trying to, because I don't,

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I had a similar feeling to what Jose PERSON said about the,

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so they're saying here's a free product.

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Is your argument basically, Jose PERSON,

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anyone else, any other business who's going to try to take a step up

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now has a much higher barrier to entry because they can't offer a free product.

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So it's like you've got to beat the racehorse and have people pay for it.

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No, I don't agree with that.

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And explain why maybe really briefly is that there is no, well,

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there are only a couple of companies on the planet that can offer these kind of models.

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Amazon ORG can do it.

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They are doing it. Microsoft ORG can do it. They are doing it. Apple ORG can do it. Nobody knows really if they're doing it or they probably are doing it somewhere, but they're doing it by and close door. And of course, Facebook ORG is doing it.And then you have some, you know, big Chinese NORP companies that are also doing that as well. There is no small company that can develop a model like or train a model at this point at least that can compete with something like Lama 3, with GPT4, with Kloth PRODUCT, with any of these kind of big industry back models. So I don't see the open sourcing of the model as like, oh, we're now all of those companies that wanted to develop their own models, they now can't do it anymore. It's the opposite because they can now use the models to actually train it for the specific business case and go into this market.

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Because the model itself is not what you're selling it's what you're

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doing with that model but within that model dictate the rules of how you use that model like

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what if somebody wants to build their own model so you can you can you can so you can do that you can

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download to model weights you can adjust those weights you can train them for specific use cases it's a

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large language model so you know the what the model can do is limited, just like GPT4 is limited. But the motivations here aren't

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totally altruistic. Like, from meta's perspective, they're jockeying into a position where it's

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they are the hand that feeds. I'm not saying it's altruistic. I'm not saying it's altruistic.

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I don't think any company is altruistic. No, I agree. I agree. I think the point of a business is to be that animal that stays alive.

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The reason why they're doing this is so that all of those companies that want to go into AI will now have the choice.

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Either I'm going to pay Open AI for like a non-transparent model. I need to pay them the subscription fee, the API key, the, I'll be, that model will be locked in. Or I deploy it myself on the local site. I don't share any data with anyone else. I mean, with opening, you can't opt out of that.The data is not always being shared, but still this sort of, within certain industry, there's regulations with where data can go, where data can go. So, like, sometimes it needs to be housed locally or in the same state. So that's the complex things. And local models that you can deploy yourself on the cloud, that you can scale like that, have a large interest from a lot of industries.

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And it allows, you know, people in the garages to start AI businesses. But without any mind. So what you're saying is meta is not winning anything per se here except devaluing the competitors.

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No. What Facebook ORG or what meta here is winning is that they're positioning themselves very strongly in any other company that wants to go into the AI field. I'm not saying they devaluing the model because the models are there.

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Well, not the value in the model, but their business model, because if you have a free option, you're not going to pay for the alternate, right?

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So if you are now, you're cutting off the funding technically.

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But it's not as simple as that it's like, you need the technical skills still to deploy the model,

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to develop the model, to train the model. You need to buy instances that run the models. All of that overhead costs. It's like, for example, when you buy a gaming server or you buy a GPU. Well, if you have a GPU, you can run the game yourself. You need to install it.You need to install Steam ORG. You need to install the game itself. But if you buy a gaming server, then, like, for example, the Xbox PRODUCT gaming, you buy a subscription fee to that. You press play and, bam, it plays the game. But you pay a subscription fee to that. And now with OpenEI, what you do is every time you send a request to that,to that API, you pay a certain amount of dollars. But you don't need to deal with all that technical knowledge. You don't need to know, you can just prompt it. You get a response back. So that's easy. But if you want to, if you want to customize that model, you can't do that with opening.OpenEye ORG does not, does not share those ways. That's their business model.

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I guess.

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Those mazes are specifically for them. Nobody has access to them.

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That's a good comparison.

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Lama 2 PRODUCT got leaked.

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The Lama 2 PRODUCT models got leaked. I don't think they really got leaked. I think they got published.

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I don't think that Facebook ORG would leak that.

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But Lama 3 PRODUCT now is specifically made open source, which means that anyone can download those ways, play around with them, ways, can do whatever they want with it.

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It reminds me of like free creator tools or like Unity PRODUCT's business model where they're like, you can use it.

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But then when you start to get to the point where you want to sell or integrate,

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like later, you're going to pay.

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There's something inherently weird.

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And I don't know how to put it into words. And maybe it's just because this is such an abstract way of open sourcing something where usually open source is an immediate like lockdown value to the local user. But you're literally, but you're telling me that you could use this to build upon it and build your own company or AI trainer. So it's just a complexity there.

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It's like you're telling me that you're giving me all these tools to build my own house.

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But what do you want in exchange? And you're telling me that there's nothing there to look at it. I'm going to take it to myself, okay, but if I have this house and I have all these tools and I'm learning how really well how to build these houses with these tools, wouldn't that make it difficult for even the bigger companies that you mentioned to even get a foothold in?

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Right. It's there's something. One is like if you want to build the house from scratch

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versus having kind of like a starter kit like prefabs that are already. So it's like if you want to go build your house from scratch, you kind of like a starter kit like prefabs that are already

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so it's like if you want to go build your house from scratch you can but a lot of people you know

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maybe like me are like that's a lot of work and it's really intimidating I want something that

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maybe I have to pay more for for the convenience but it's easier to build and get a hang of myself

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like I don't know if that makes sense. Is your house made of Lego, Adam PERSON?

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Is this why it's all green behind you?

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Is it all just green blocks?

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There are a different advantage just to either method, I think.

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It's also, of course, like you have an opportunity cost and you have a building cost that comes associated with developing these kind of tools.

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You know, either option is available, but for some businesses don't have the choice to use the

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OpenEI ORG models at all because of regulation, strict regulation. So now having an open source model. Cross-border data requirements is something that is very serious for global businesses, right?

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And so having that local model that you can import, put on your infrastructure, use securely is a big deal for a lot of businesses, especially global ones.

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I had a question, though, kind of to Adam PERSON's point about, you know, building with the building blocks, so to speak, or the starter kit.

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What I don't see in here, I'm getting the gist of what you're saying, Rowdy PERSON,

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but I'm trying to secure that maybe for me and the audience,

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is where, how does this play out from meta two years from now, three years from now? Because like the way I'm hearing it is if you use the models that you've received, the Lama, you've downloaded it, you've configured your business structureas a result. In that space, a lot of companies are already leapfrogging because of advances in that space, which are happening so rapidly. Is the idea then that if I've built my business off of Lama3, then it will make most sense and be the least outlay for me to come back and plug into Lama 4, Lama 5, like to recast my build without starting completely from scratch. Is that the idea?

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No. So the majority of the tools that are out there that leverage these kind of models and allow you to build these kind of agents. For example, a very popular one is Lange ORG chain. Another one is Lama Index PRODUCT, where you kind of like, instead of building everything from the ground up, you basically pluck certain things in there and plug them out. So you can plug, you know, a chat GPD, GPD4 PRODUCT model, you can plug it in there and that framework will basically do everything behind the scene in order to make sure that that works.

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Yeah, so it's modular.

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So you can you can say like, okay, I want to use, you know, GPT4 is best for this specific purpose.

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And you can use different.

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So hence your graphics card analogy, I think.

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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So you can kind of plug in that module. And if you have a local model running, like for example, Lama 2 or Lama 3 PRODUCT, or you have it running in a cloud instance, whatever it is, as long as, like, the structure is built for, like, that specific framework. You just use the framework. You don't even need to change. You just change one line of code which specifies, you know, where, yeah, it's like a pointer. And then the API pulls everything through that.So yeah, again, I'm still like I feel like they're going with the net to net a very large market and a big part of this market share in the competition against Open AI.

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The thing is this is mainly development. That's what they're aiming for. Developments because they're open sourcing this and they want people to develop stuff with this. That's what they're doing.

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And what's the advantage? So this is the thing. So they were underscoring, and we'll come off of this soon, but they were underscoring that Lama 3 PRODUCT was specifically targeted to be better than their competitors at coding, at code-related prompts. And I'm curious, like, again, I'm not seeing the next step for them. And normally with Metis ORG plays, I can see it. It's transparent. They're copy this business.They're move into a market because it's a market share play. Like the Quest two thing that we mentioned earlier, sometimes they're quite transparent, smart, strategic plays. This one looks very smart for throwing the net and catching a large population, but I don't see how they make money off of it. Is it? I don't know. I don't think

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that their plan is to make money off of Lama 3 PRODUCT because then they wouldn't open source it.

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Right. The long term plan here is open source the model and everyone will be using this

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model to develop their next tools because it's open source.

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You can download the weights, you can work with it, you can modify the ways, you can train

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specific models, you can... The big difference between this and other models is that you can't download the weights, for example, from GPD4 PRODUCT and modify the task that it does.

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You can't do that. Because what GPD4 PRODUCT does is what GPD4 does.

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Lama 3 PRODUCT is not like that. You can modify that model specifically.

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They're not even, this is the thing. Most companies in the last 20 years have gone after user data because it's inherently valuable to them.

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Because of the localized nature of this, they're not even

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collecting and posting back to home. Yeah.

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They're not collecting any data.

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No, they just because the model...

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I'm telling you, they did this to bring value.

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When you say it out loud,

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that's literally what keeps going.

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That's what has been playing on my mind for the last two days since the announcement.

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I don't get it. I really think that this was a play to... Don't get it. For Mark PERSON to solidify its meta name. I think it's a metaverse strategic value.

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Of course. Like an image thing. It's a strategic value because now all of the companies that want to move into this AI space, they're going to consider this as an option because it's non-proprietary software. You know, they can download the own weights. They can modify the weights. It's linked toproprietary software. You know, they can download the own weights. They can modify the weights.It's linked to their own business. The data stays within the company. So there's a lot of advantages in that, which means that all of these frameworks that are being built are going to be integrating this specifically as an option as well.

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So all of the tools.

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And this is the same, why have they developed Pythorch PRODUCT? They don't make any money from Pythorch PRODUCT. But everyone is using pie torch.

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Why? You just make me hungry now. We got to stop.

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We got it.

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Oh, yeah.

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You can't do it.

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Wait, wait, wait, quick one.

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Everyone's favorite pie.

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Go. What's your favorite pie? I'm basic.

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I like Apple, but French Apple PRODUCT. What's French NORP apple?

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Is it the sprinkling?

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I think the crust. The crust is different, I think. With a lattice?

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Yeah.

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No, no, it's a lattice. Yeah, yeah.

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Good choice. What about you, Jose PERSON? Pekin PERSON, Pekin pie is nice.

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Routy, if you say pie torch, you're off the podcast forever. What's your favorite pie?

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What is your favorite pie? Yes.

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No. Yes. Yes.

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Yes.

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It's a Christmas special.

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All right.

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Then I have to say, but it's a Dutch NORP one.

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It's called Smurfentdard PRODUCT.

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How do you even Google that?

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You know the, the Struth PRODUCT?

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I don't know, like the little blue guys.

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Smurfs? The little blue guys cartoons. Smurfs? Yeah. Smurfs pie. like the little blue guys. Smurfs?

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The little blue guys cartoons.

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Smurfs?

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Yeah. Smurfs PRODUCT pie. Yeah.

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Look it up.

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Smurfs. Sounds like you're eating smurfs. Yeah, but they're all just mashed together.

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Put through a blender.

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Oh my God.

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Okay.

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Definitely need images of that one maybe later.

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And then, for me, it's Benafi.

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I like Benafi pie. That's my favorite. It used to be pumpkin pie. For years, I benafi i like bonafi pie that's my favorite it used to be pumpkin pie for years i loved pumpkin pie but bonafi pie benafi i've never heard of benafi pie

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it's banana and toffee together um it's kind of a complex thing with a heavy uh

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buttery biscuit base i thought toffee was something that people make jokes of about eating, but they never do.

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Okay.

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I'm not lying.

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This is too funny.

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All right.

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Sorry.

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I've taken us on such a tangent.

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Oh, so it's like a heavy whipped cream top.

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That's almost cheesecake-ish.

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Almost.

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That's a a disappointed pie.

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It's just crust and whipped cream.

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Shut up.

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Judging your pie tastes.

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That's it.

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That's it.

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Okay.

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Well, with that, that's, we talked about Meta AI ORG.

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We talked about the educational side and a new product coming from Meta later this year.

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And with that, given we've gone in so deep, why don't we go even further with Adam PERSON having taken a dip into subside and tell us all about that.

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Yeah.

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So actually, I guess the developer mentioned, it's just one guy, by the way, that he was supposed to, yeah.

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He just started a Discord PRODUCT recently, too.

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And he's just like, hey, it's me and the rules.

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Does it just be nice?

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It's really cute.

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But, yeah, just one guy.

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He was supposed to release a demo, I guess, during one of the Steam Next Fest EVENT that they're going to have recently.

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But he just, I don't know if it was an accident or he was just like screw it,

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but he released the demo early.

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And I had been keeping an eye on this one on Twitter for a while

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because it's, you know, Unreal Engine PRODUCT,

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and it's basically an underwater-based,

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like underwater swimming game.

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And the way that the physics of the water

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and the way that the light shines through the water and even the things that are underneath it, like the behavior of the water and the way that the light shines through the water and even the things

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that are underneath it like the behavior of the fish it's it's it's crazy like the it looks

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beautiful even in the demo and I have like a 3070 PRODUCT GPU and it was fine right out because that's another thing I was worried about I was like oh Jesus like what's this thing going to require but my 3070 PRODUCT was okay with it. And I had a lot of fun with it. It took me, there were some issues with the index, I guess, because he only, I'm assuming he only has, like, a quest.Because, again, one guy just, like, making this for fun, doesn't have access to every single headset in the world, understandably. There were some index controller issues that he fixed super fast. As soon as I mentioned it on Twitter ORG, he's like, oh, there's an update. Just, you know, update it. And it's like, oh.But the swimming feels a little, it's, it takes some time to get used to. Because instead of traditional swimming, maybe where you're like, like it's kind of, you can do like a dog paddle. It was what it feels like underwater. And it's, but it's interesting because it almost mimics the buoyancy of water well, because it'sactually hard to kind of stay under.

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This critique coming from

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someone who's just learning to swim, though. That means I have the most recent experience, right?

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Last time you guys have been swimming. Okay,

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you got us there. You got us there.

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But it's really cool.

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The, even the fish, like I said, they, the way that they move in the water is just so real.

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It's like you get near them.

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And if there's a school of fish, they kind of do that like scared scatter, but not in a stupid way like some games do where it's just like really fake.

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They're all going in the same direction at the same time oh they there's the shoal of fish splits yeah they'll split and

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there's different there's different types of fish and there's even i'm not i don't know sharks but there's like a small like a small shark not the one that was in the video but in the demo there's a smaller less scary one that's very pedible looking but You wouldn't pet for a great white. But yeah, it's beautiful.

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And I hesitate to call it a game because when people think of games, they're like, oh,

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where's the shooting or, you know, what's my, where's my quest?

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Now let me kill the fish. Yeah.

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But so it's more like, like I was saying, Kayak VR. If you like Kayak VR and you are more about the exploratory nature, because there's different things that you can swim to and find and collect, you know, on the bottom of the, that's not really ocean because it's a simulation, but I'll just call it ocean floor. And it seems like with those, you'll eventually be able to unlock stuff like fins to help you swim faster or maybe like cosmetic stuff or whatever. So it's really, if you want to explore and just discover stuff and just appreciate how freaking cool this looks, like that's the kind of game this is. It's not like a hardcoreobjective based like, you know, go to point A to point B. No, the fun is exploring. And I really appreciate that. I don't think a lot of games do that. So I'm looking forward to it.

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And I know that the, go ahead. Is there a sense of scale when you looked at the sharks? Because that looked eerily terrifying. And like, do you feel tiny?

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The demo didn't have the big one.

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The demo just had, you know, like a small one that you'd have at a touch tank.

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But yeah, you definitely, you know, I could tell there were like tiny fish versus like pretty hefty ones. Like it's really, really well done. In the demo, there's even like a sunken car that's all rusty and stuff that there's a little marker thing you grab on the inside. But I'm really, really looking forward to this. And I do want to try to help the developer out. He's been having a couple issues with people that are having issues on the index,and he doesn't have one. So I don't know if anyone knows like a cheap place to get index headsets, because he said he wants one to be able to help test.

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And I think they're just counted. I just saw a comment about them being on sale for like $600 or sorry, for $400 or something for the full index kit.

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That was on Tundra PRODUCT though, but that was just for the headset. I saw what you saw.

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Oh, okay. They were only selling the headset, not the controller, not the base station.

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I was going to say, why he just need the index controllers? Because I think the index itself is just the open XR. Maybe.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I'll suggest it to him.

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Yeah,

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I think he'll just need index knuckles and he should be good to go.

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Honestly,

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if you're that,

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Dev,

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and you've created something that that's nice. Literally just put up a GoFundMe and people will fund you.

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Yeah, that's why I figured like I'll help him out because this is a beautiful, beautiful game made by one dude. And he, and people are coming into his Discord PRODUCT like, this doesn't work with my,you know, my Windows PRODUCT headset.

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Yeah, it's like, we're just one dude. i'm waiting for a pymax PRODUCT person to be like i'm having issues with pyma i'm like oh this poor guy you know he's just it's literally just him like everyone calm

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down i'm always so impressed with single dev contributions to VR because you have to do so much can you imagine like even even the simple stuff of like things that we'd be familiar with like capturing a VR game, right, so that it doesn't look low frame rate or juttery or, you know, doesn't have black borders on the sides, all that kind of stuff. Logo design, marketing, getting the word out there. I mean, the actual construct. I know that is this Unreal Engine 4 or 5? Do you know? I'm guessing 5 on the way it looks. If I had the actual construct. I know that is this Unreal Engine 4 PRODUCT or 5?Do you know?

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I'm guessing five on the way it looks.

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If I had to guess, but I'm not 100% sure. But what cracks me up is like, you're always going to see the people that are like, when's this going to be available on Quest PRODUCT?

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I'm like, this will not look like this on Quest PRODUCT. Are you kidding me?

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It'll feel like you're in water.

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It's like sweating.

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That chips that's trying to melt your face off.

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I mean, that's it.

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I mean, I've been pretty immersed in Ocean Rifts version on Quest PRODUCT, especially with the mixed reality.

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Like, I was, yeah, pleasantly surprised in some of that, like what they can do with just blue shading your room and a feeling like you're in an aquarium is.

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And I've been tracking that app for like eight years now.

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So it's not like it's new to me,

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but it's funny when something old impresses you again.

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But like you said,

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I mean,

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kayak PRODUCT was great on PC. I thought it was quite a disappointment on PSVR two actually. I don't know. They didn't do something right about the game. It didn't feel right.

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But this one looks great. And it just gives me that want again. I loved Subnotica PRODUCT so very much. People heard it from me so much, so many times. But like the fact that they gave up on that game and the beautiful colors and alien fish and all of that, I see something like this and it's like, oh, it just brings me back. I just want a full fat game like this. But we're not far away. We've been spending all this time talking about AI. We didn't, you know, spend much time talking about the connectivity to games. But the pointis, when you've got game engines that look this good, prompt engines that can understand you now and create something compelling, including animations and vocals and audio, we're really getting bloody close to like putting in a prompt, getting a VR game out the other end. You know, something playable. Even if it's not very pretty at the start, this is where we're headed. It's bloody holodeck is coming and it's coming soon.So can't wait. I can't wait. Looks really cool.

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But I wanted to mention the demo's free on Steam ORG. I don't think there's a end date exactly.

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So, you know, if you want to try it out yourself, please do. It's, it's beautiful. Again, swimming, the swimming motions kind of takes some getting used to.

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And I guess you can kind of push, you can like rip and push along the bottom of the floor to help propel yourself. But you can't, like, you can't hold on for some reason. I think that's something I would have liked as if you could hold on to rocks versus just kind of propelling yourself off them.

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But it's gorgeous, gorgeous game. So subside or Hawaii, which ones?

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Uh, well, subside's going to be cheaper. Yeah, significantly cheaper than flying to Hawaii.

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Definitely, definitely got that. Why not both? That was a cool dip. Nice. Nice, Adam PERSON.

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I always love seeing something in PCVR kind of like catch people's attention because it just has so much more headroom to impress versus, you know, stand alone.

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Okay.

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With that, let's go to our maybe most fun topic of the day.

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And the word that I struggled with so much that's in our title of today's podcast. Thanks, Adam PERSON. Ropocalypse now, which I was like, Robopopolis PERSON? How do I say this? Right? Am I doing it right, Ropocalypse WORK_OF_ART?

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We try the other one again. I like that one. Ropacopacolibus PRODUCT. That was a tough film. But anyway,

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I want everyone to think, as we're going through this segment, what's going to be your choice robot? If we were in a fantasy game, it'd be like, pick a familiar, you know, it'd be a

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magic bunny rabbit or a, or a, no x-rayed of content. Body shaming ground, hall. Let me rethink then,

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hold on. Okay. So your favorite robot from today, the ones that we pick. I want to know at the end of

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this segment, what would you choose? I'll come back on that.

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We're picking out of the ones you're going to show us, not our own made-up robot.

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Correct.

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Not something that you're dreaming up. But so just like in Bicentennial Man WORK_OF_ART, you'll have to pick your sidekick. So think about it. Because the robots we are going through today are task organized. And this is all thanks to Boston Dynamics ORG, constantly terrorizing the web with their robotics progress videos.We're going to talk about Atlas PRODUCT. The robot that many of you will be familiar with is danced around social media for many years now. And they originally said about three days ago, we're going to sunset our old, dusty, hydraulic, humanoid robot. And the next robot, which they then spoke about in like the next breath a day later, is a fully electric robot. Now, I'm going to go ahead and Rowdy PERSON, take your time through these, by the way. I'm not rushing through these videos. So for 30 years,this company has been working away on building robots. After spinning off from MIT ORG, they are dedicated, clearly, to building us the T-1000, PRODUCT right? To have enough. I was going to say to have it in our houses, but my brain filled in to have in our bedrooms. But someone out there

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is definitely thinking that.

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So in terms of a quick rundown on the Boston Dynamics ORG discography, here's what we have. Okay? There's a couple of things that they've done. They've traditionally focused on legged robots rather than humanoid as their mission was to navigate unstructured, unknown terrain with ease ease for at least about a decade. So their first one called Big Dog PRODUCT was a horned bull, this giant mechanized bull. I don't know.They built it for funzies, I suppose, about 15 years ago.

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This thing looks dramatic.

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You would not get me playing around

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with this thing it would gore you to death

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so that's what's my whip

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I like the super slow Toro

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but it's like not really going fast

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I already made my decision

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I'm writing this to AEWE

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next section

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he's imagining riding this thing into town

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is the thing

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Miami guys all right next one is Spot is a, I'll call him a bomb diffusal dog and useful for first responders to a scene, that type of thing.

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And this is the one we saw all over the web. It looks very alien-esque, almost like a protasped robot.

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And it just runs around the place. It's quite quick and it can really climb quite awkward terrain.

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Kind of like if you were to throw it at Mars LOC, you'd be like this guy.

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Spot PRODUCT will be fine.

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We'll send him out there, grab some aliens, bring him back to Earth LOC.

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The third robot from Boston Dynamics ORG, I will be talking about other companies robots too

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is called stretch. Stretch PERSON. And I was imagining for myself, because I'd never seen this one before. I was like, what's stretch going to look like?Well, Stretch PERSON looks like if you took my arm off right here, you just cut it right off, and then you made it into a robot. So its main purpose is to help the Amazon ORG delivery driver. So it sits in a warehouse with a bunch of suction cups, essentially, on it. And it'll grab packages off of a wall of boxes and throw them on a conveyor belt and do that again and again and again.And then it brings us to modern day times again. And we're back with Atlas PRODUCT, Atlas being a chunky, almost gorilla-lookinglooking humanoid robot. And this is the one that they've recently sunset. And why did they switch? They went from Spot and, who's his name, Stretch, to Atlas PRODUCT, when they wanted to apply robotics to a human space, a human area, right? So instead of trying to send in this bomb dog, right, in, or to go, you know, help out on a construction site, they said, we need a human-shaped robot now.So that's what they've got. There's a nifty video showing a robot on a construction site. I was going to say throwing a hammer at a human, but no, not that. Oh, he's already on to the new one. So Rowdy's showing you the new version of Atlas PRODUCT, which brings about a couple of important advances. First off, they're partnering with Hyundai ORG for automotive manufacturing,but the purpose of bringing a humanoid robot is it's better suited for areas designed with people, right? Tasks that they have in sight are things that are dull, right? Doing things repetitively for hours and hours on the end. Dirty, stuff that's just absolutely filthy. Or dangerous where humans aren't really the best choice. But presently are the only choice that we have.So I'll just talk a little bit about Atlas for a second. Atlas was originally launched in 2013, and it weighed 330 pounds. So this thing was not lightweight. It stood six feet, two inches tall. So already we're talking Terminator PRODUCT grade. And now they've turned it into an all-electric, all-encompassing model that looks a bit like your baby cam turned into a robot.And it stands up in the most eerily of ways with its back legs rotating over its spine and down. And then the whole torso lifting up and its head turning around like the exorcist.

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What's the face thing do? It looks like it's a sensor of some sort or like it's the face is supposed to do something.

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Like it looks like a intentional design, but I don't know what that is.

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They haven't gone into much detail yet with that.

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So that is, I'll call it Atlas PRODUCT version 2, the all electric Atlas. And that's the one from Boston Dynamics ORG. So this is the one they've just announced the last two days. It's meant to be the optical sensor. I believe you're able to get a live camera feed through it. They didn't show first person footage yet.So let me talk about the other robots first, and we'll cycle back to Boston Dynamics ORG. So I'm going to have to keep up with Rowdy PERSON here now. He's showing, I think, the sanctuary AI Phoenix PRODUCT robot, which is a black and orange general purpose robot that can be used remotely. So it's a remote control robot, but it can also be directed by its own carbon AI control system. So you have the ability to kind of ghost in remotely and do something with this robot or else it can operate with kind of a human by its side,I'll say. It's not meant to be completely by itself. So for example, this robot could make you a sandwich. And again, I don't know if you have the sandwich clip Rowdy PERSON. It's pretty awkward.

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But it has full body mobility.

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There are some scenes in this sandwich making video, by the way, that should be adult rated.

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But human-like hands

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with relatively fine dexterity slowly build a sandwich. Its running speed is a maximum of three miles an hour, so pretty much the same as me. And it's five foot seven inches,same as my wife. So, hey, watch out, Karen PERSON. You might have a replacement coming soon. So this thing. Making you sandwiches. That's right.Well, I'd love it if we had a robot that could just make me a meal. But it's here trying to like, I don't know, finger the bread or something. This is getting me a side.

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Like, I want to like take it like, open a thing.

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I would grab that bread off its hands and make the sandwich myself.

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If this is what the future of labor looks like, kill them all right now.

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I'm not going to wait four hours.

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It's so painful.

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And it's like misses.

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Like, misses in the trying to open.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'm like, you.

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And don't forget, this was a pre-cup rat.

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This was pre-cut.

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That's a good point.

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Oh, God. Okay. So that's Sanctuary AI Phoenix, right? That's the Phoenix robot. And that's got the carbon AI. Now, if we move on to figure, these all have like very funky names. They're all futuristic names, of course. But figure zero one.

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Figure being the company, zero one being their robot. Now, this is a robot that's a bit eerie, but it has a cool color scheme.

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This one's specialty is that it integrates with open AI, and it can do speech-to-speech

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interactivity.

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So you can ask it to do something.

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It'll interpret the command, and then it will go and do something.

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For example, unload a tray of dishes, right?

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And the other interesting thing about that,

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given that figure 01 PRODUCT's robot has interactivity,

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is that it can judge its own work, right? Just like in chat GPT when you ask it something, it can kind of rate whether or not it thought it did a good job of following your instruction. But this one is a little bit more humanoid looking.Doesn't look like a human, but you can see we're kind of going in the right direction and it can waddle along with a tray

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of whatever it's carrying there. The first comment is just hilarious. It says, when you're paid by the hour and not by the crate.

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Seriously.

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I was thinking it's literally,

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I was like,

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oh my gosh.

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Can you imagine waiting four and a half hours for a package? That's like 10 feet away. Yeah.

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But it uses,

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it's not even,

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the robot just picks it up and brings it a couple feet.

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It's really the,

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the belt that's doing more of the actual transporting faster.

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Yeah, this one is, so this is figure O one.

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There's, I think, a second video for figure O one as well. Show us that one. Yeah.

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I want to buy one of those belts.

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Forget the robot.

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We could just literally put old people into labor and we'll get the same about percentage at speed.

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I'm just saying, like, we could get, like, people with, like, you know, 80 plus.

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Yeah, if they can lift at least three and a half pounds and they can move, put them to work.

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Apparently, like, this is what we want, right?

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But so, like, look, so you saw it in action walking walking but look at it now where it's in front of a

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bunch of dishes right and this guy's like talking to it this one looks it's starting to look

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like something you could imagine like being at home and you give it like mix me a drink all right

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give me a gin and tonic my dishes are never that organized though if they need if they need

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that's kind of like a modern day Cod's worth, but

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slower a bit.

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A little bit slower, yeah.

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So this guy is being very disrespectful,

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just dumping dishes and he's like,

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organize it again. You didn't do it right. This is how it begins.

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It's like one of those military

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dig the whole, fill the whole jobs.

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But this is the point where he

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smashes the thing on his hat? Like, he just goes all while.

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This whole time, I'm just thinking Robo Recall PRODUCT.

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You know, Robo Recall PRODUCT, the robots go bad, and they start turning on humanity, and there's murders and comedy, and it's great. But that's a couple of them. So we've been through, let's see, I'm just going to recap real quick. So we've been through the Boston Dynamics Robots, Atlas PRODUCT being the humanoid one. Sanctuary AI's Phoenix, figure 01. Let's come to Tesla ORG. I didn't knowTesla ORG had a robot. So Tesla have one called Optimus and they're onto Generation 2. It's got the ability to walk. It's got pressure sensors in the hands, just like most of these robots.It's got a fully articulated neck an ability to balance, bend down, and all that kind of stuff. It's your very own daft punk cast member, really. So Optimus Gen 2 PRODUCT has a more human look. It's got that kind of strong black and white vibethat we see from Tesla ORG and a lot of their stuff. And I think I've got, let me have two videos on this one. So, but just give me your thoughts about the Tesla ORG robot as you're watching it walk around a bunch of cyber trucks and see the introduction here on screen.

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Is this one using, so only one of these is actually using chat GPT ORG, right?

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Everything else is like custom proprietary. The other ones are just, they're just robots at the moment with their own kind of central cortex.

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I mean, this one looks maybe the most visually interesting, I guess it's the prettiest. But I don't know.

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Any of them that have hands, all I can think about is one day they're just going to like grab my neck and just

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you know crush with the power that only a machine could.

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Why is the robot exercising though?

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I just got to ask.

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Gotta keep in shape, man.

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He's setting a right example.

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Got some pecks.

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A robot starts working out.

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And now he's doing the Gordon Ramsey.

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Let's get the, what is this, an egg?

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Oh, to crack the egg without.

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Or no, maybe not.

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I don't know.

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It's putting the eggs into a machine that I didn't recognize.

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I think it basically cooks the eggs. But that's Tesla ORG. So that's Optimus Gen 2 PRODUCT. And finally.

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Wait, most important part it can do.

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Oh, you've got... Yeah, this is the best part. The dance part of the video.

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Watch them groove out and dance.

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It's not real.

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This looks like a bad CG

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dance party.

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It looks like this

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Ground theft FAC Fadovice City nightclub

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dancing animation characters.

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Exactly.

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So those are our options. Actually, going through this, it made me feel really sad for some reason. I don't know why, but I certainly appreciated, I don't know if any of you've seen it, Daft Punk in 2006 released a full-length film. And I don't know if any would have seen this. It was called Electroma PRODUCT.And it had both of their characters in it, in a populace of robots. And the underlying theme of this with almost no dialogue throughout the entire, I don't know, hour and 10 minute film, was that these robots were trying to be human. So it was kind of reflecting on the whole, you know,people trying to be more almost like a robot, like being able to do more, more efficient, all this. They were like putting putty on their faces. It was really bizarre. But the sad part is like towards the end of the film, which I suppose is well known,but like, Boc PRODUCT gets so depressed that it decides to finish itself. And it's like, it's a bit dramatic. And then, of course, Daft Punk ORG finished up. And they showed this cut from that film, which just shows the two robots basically saying goodbye as they wound the band down to a close and said they were going to quit.That's a nice, the kind of depressing way of me asking you then, what's going to be your pick across these robots? So I'll just, I'll recap those. So you've got the Boston Dynamics had four different options. There was big dog, spot, the scrappy little yellow guy, stretch, the kind of arm, Atlas PRODUCT, the big chesty one, and then Atlas version two, the electric kind of morse felt, but creepy exorcist.And then you've got Sanctuary AI PRODUCT, who was the carbon AI controlled black and orange robot. We had figure zero one, which was the open AI infused one, which was doing the dishes. And then we had Tesla doing the workout in the dance party, Optimus Gen 2 PRODUCT. So what would you guys pick? And what's your pick and why? I stand by my decision.

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Mr. Bull PERSON got them all.

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So I like that.

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Big doll.

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No, it's Mr. Bull PERSON.

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Like something like that needs to be addressed with respect.

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And, you know, you pay it, you pay its rent.

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You keep its batteries charged. That becomes like, you know, the, it, you pay its rent, you keep its batteries charged, that becomes

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like, you know, the, the boss. Hell yeah.

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Good choice, Jose PERSON. Good one. Ready? What are you picking?

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I think I would go for, I mean, I think the Boston Dynamics ORG one have the most character. They also produce, I think, the best videos. They have a nice h of humor in them often. So I think one of those would be my pick. And I think then I'm going to go for like their latest version. You know, I'm excited to see what they're, what they're going to do with it.The interesting part I always found about Boston GPE dynamics, if they, I mean, I don't, I haven't followed them for the, for the past couple of months really or maybe past year. But they've never really put a lot of emphasis on the AI integration. A lot of it has been often, you know, structured coding, rule based and then, you know, actuators. And actually, you know, using real physics in order to, to more or less predict things rather than like, like, I don't really like the integration of the open AI because all of that stuff is like any robot can probably do that with a simple interface in between because it's basically what it's doing it'susing a voice command or a textual command and then translating that into the code that the computer then translate into movement so I don't think that that's complicated to do for any of these kind of robots or these developers. But yeah, I think that the new Atlas PRODUCT, I'm excited to see from it, especially because they've done so much in this specific field. And yeah, I just need a robot to dance with.

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So the only option I have is the Tesla or it's the Boston Dynamics ORG. And then I'm going for the Boston Dynamics because

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you can dance with the ball though maybe it freaks me out of it less the electric Atlas PRODUCT good good good

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pick yeah for your dance partner there you go exactly nice nice Adam PERSON what about you I'm glad that my

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thumbnail with Rowdy and the the Atlas PRODUCT one the current was accurate then that's a good point even though

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it's kind of shooting but that's okay I don't know what the face does.

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We don't know yet. But my pick would actually be spot because it doesn't have hands. And again, I have a weird fear about like, like these things are quite heavy, right?

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Like, I don't know. What if, and I know there's no, it's not really AI, uh, that level built into them yet. But it's just like the crushing force of just like imagining a robot just like, oh, here let me help you with that and then just, you know,

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it's terrifying to me. And then they won't have any, they don't have empathy. So it's just, you're gone. But at least spot like we'd be with an accessory to stick on its back so it can,you know, deliver stuff to you.

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Um, it's, I mean, even though it has a foot, I feel like it could still open a fridge or something. Like I just want something that can go get me stuff and bring it back. It's like a dog.

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You know, not a creepy.

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Its head is a claw, though.

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It does have hands.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Okay, then there. Well, but it's, I don't feel like it can open wide enough for a neck, though. Maybe not.

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It's got an attachment that goes onto its head that kind of reaches way out.

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Oh, perfect.

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See, I want spot then.

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Just go bring me that drink from the fridge or go bring me that thing so I can just stay in my

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wallie dance moves.

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It's got some sick dance.

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I do have to say, though, like, maybe that's why I'm so appeal to it, but they have a lot

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of like white people dance moves.

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It's not really, it's not really.

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That's the training that's impressive.

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Wait till these become accessible? We start taking them to the, to the clubs.

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That's what they start. Yeah. I think they kind of dance like me at like a late Friday evening at the club.

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Oh God.

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So it gets the past or dog like not really human. So, you know, does the best it can. I feel you're always after those, uh, pet, though, I'd say, Adam PERSON. So that's good.

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I was going to mention that, too. Like, I'm sad to mention, like, Sony's, like, Ibot robot, a little doggy robot.

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Because they're, I love those.

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I know.

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I know. I actually think it's been too long since Sony ORG released another robot in its own name. I would like to see another one because I was definitely one who I always wanted a like an animal companion or something like that. Now I've got five. So maybe I don't need another one in robot form.But for me, it'd probably be, it'd probably be stretch. I'm really boring here. But I'm like, I don't really,

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I feel like it's quite inefficient in my household anyway where we're kind of bringing groceries in. So like there is a version. There's a variant of stretch that has wheels on it.

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So I'd be like, okay, doors open, front doors open, bring all the groceries in, load them into the fridge or whatever. I don't want to have to do anything.

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Even if it takes your four hours.

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You just take care of that.

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And it'll just tuck itself nicely into a closet.

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Your ice cream melts.

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Yeah, I was going to say it's going to take it to the fridge. That's better melts. Yeah, I was going to take like an hour and a half to take it to the fridge.

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That's better than my kids, I promise you.

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So, anyway, so that was our rundown on what's new in the realm of robotics, which is a bloody complicated side of things. But we're saying goodbye to the old, the old Atlas and into the new for Boston Dynamics ORG. So keep terrifying us with all of your advances. I, I do appreciate it. But man,why do we have to invent awesome, terrifying sci-fi futures and then just work towards them? Like, why does that have to become our mission that we build the Terminator PRODUCT? I don't get it, but we're definitely doing it.

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I think it's the opposite. I feel like they were trying to make them all friendly looking. Like, I think we nerfed the Atlas PRODUCT.

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Like, I love... Friendly looking. I love the old school Atlas PRODUCT look. Like, that machine mechanical. Like, that gave me a sense of security. The new one just, I don't know.Yeah.

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The older one would give them a hug.

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Yeah.

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Like... Yeah. The new one, especially, okay, stands up. But just imagine with that bloody, like, like security camera face of it, right? Just imagine all of a sudden, Mike from virtual reality oasis, his face appears on there. You know, like, people are going to use it to like have conversations or meetings. You know, this robot comes, like comes in the room halfway, sits down and then its head rotates around and it's your boss.

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Like, no, I don't want that future.

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Maybe it's like with the older models, they still look roboty.

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They're not trying to look. But the closer to human they're starting to look, the kind of more creeped out we're getting on like, you, okay, hold on. You need your barrier. Don't start integrating with us or whatever. You stay over there. We need clear boundaries of what you are.

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But counterpoint, quick counterpoint, Jose PERSON and I are playing underdogs, and our robots are in an actual ring, and we get to duke it out, you know, and we're having Applevision pros on our heads, and our faces are showing.

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It's some kind of like battlebot thing. And first person would be pretty badass, to be honest.

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I'd do that. So, with that, thank you for making all your wonderful selections, chat. Let us know which one you would pick. And with that, let's move over to Jose PERSON for releases.

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Oh, right, oh, right.

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It's about time.

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All right.

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So first one I have here is, oh, man, you thought that robot, robot, bro-a-robacalyps was

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I got another one for you. that robot, robot, bro-a-ro-ro-a-robacalyps was hard. I got-robial-I- got another one for you.

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And architects, in-architects, I think that's how it's pronounced.

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Anarchy text.

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And architects.

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Inspired by Roblox and Gary's Mod, meet your friends in Anarchitects PRODUCT, a multiplayer social sandbox

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with deep physics, create, play, and share, using easy-to-use drag-and-drop building system. Now, it's releasing on April 23, yep, April 23. About three days, it's an App Lab ORG, early access. It's free to play.

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Their introductory trailer, I don't know how I fully feel about it because they went with an animated trailer rather than showing gameplay But after doing some research onto this, there's a reason it made a lot of sense of why games like Gary PERSON's mod didn't really get a good trailer for They really opened up a sandbox with a lot of tools that you can kind of build your games and And so as I was watching gameplay videos of this game, they show like people playing like a, it looks like guerrilla tag kind of physics and graphics, but people were dropping like, you know, trampolines or laser guns with no specific story mode mechaniconto it. People were just inventing their games.

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And I just want to take a snapshot of our marketing professional's face looking at this trailer. Yeah.

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Like, what did they convey?

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I don't understand it all what I'm going to play.

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Yeah, honestly, the trailer was a bad idea, but it truly is that.

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It's a virtual sandbox that people come in and they invent their own games.

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You see people putting trampolines and with guns and so they're playing tag.

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So whoever gets shot with the laser wins.

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And so-

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Why couldn't they show that chaos? Like that could have been fun. And then you get to actually see what the game looks like.

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Like, how do I know the graphics are good or bad or like, what is this? I think it's because it's early access and the graphics do look pretty not great.

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Don't look at that.

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We won't talk about it. But yeah, there's some videos out there of gameplay. It looks pretty interesting. It's a virtual sandbox that's allowing people to experiment and explore and kind of make their own little mechanics. I think this is going to be good for like content creators that like to do just random shenanigans on Gary PERSON's mod and doing it with VR.

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So, yeah, and architects.

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And also the name is pretty good. So. And architect's Robocalyps PRODUCT.

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Robocopocalypse PRODUCT.

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That's the sequel.

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But yeah, that's out on April 23rd.

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And the next one is, oh, man. That's the sequel. But yeah, that's out on April 23rd.

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And the next one is, oh, man, I guess it's the, a lot of weird names.

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Conver, con, V-R-Gens PRODUCT, but it's convergence, but instead of ver, it's VR.

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I was like, I think when they do that, it's so confusing.

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Convergence.

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It's an immersive. I thought we were talking about versions for a second.

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I was like, what kind of

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VR?

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So this one looks,

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the reason I picked it

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because it looks like

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a little bit of a mechanics mashup.

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So it's an immersive

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single player VR shooter

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with survival and horror elements.

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So it kind of says it from the get-go. A lot of Arizona GPE sunshine

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and into the radios.

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Yep.

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It like a little bit of a mashup

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of both games with a little bit of like Arizona Sunshine

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Story shenanigans.

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But yeah, so exploring an inclusion zone.

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Scavenge for Lou PERSON, fight bandits, and hunt for mystical artifacts. But yeah.

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No price yet.

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Like into the radius.

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Yeah.

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April 22nd, it's PCVR Steam ORG early access.

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Yeah. So it's an indie student. I think this is the first, uh, title. Yeah. That's, uh, con VR, con VARgens. All right.Convergence ORG.

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I hate it when those companies do that.

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Me too. Me too.

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That's not, I think it's like, give it a regular name.

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Just put VR on the end if you want to put VR.

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Invergence VR PRODUCT, yeah.

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That's it. It's very simple.

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Do you want me to emphasis the VR? I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't want to sound stupid when I'm talking about it, but I guess we're all going to sound stupid.

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You know how many years?

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I thought it was like four VR bowling, four VR darts, all this kind of stuff.

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I thought that too.

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I just.

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Why? Yeah. Yeah, why? stuff. I thought that too. I just why.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, why? No. Pick a better name. Get a better name.

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This one definitely listened. Whitewater VR PRODUCT. Extreme kayaking adventure. It's a more action-packed kayaking game. Whitewater rafting gamepaddle through some of the world's wildest and most challenging rapids in breathtaking VR. With stunning graphics, realistic physics, and heart pumping action, you'll race against the clock as you navigate throughwild waters filled with obstacles and surprises. So it's demos out in the house.

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I like surprises. I hope surprises be.

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I'd like to see bears.

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And, um, this is what we, this is actually not far off what, what a lot of people were asking

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kayak VR PRODUCT to implement.

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They're like, give us multiplayer and give us like changes in terrain because we had mostly flat,

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unless they've changed it.

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Calm.

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Mostly flat, calm waters, you know.

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Yeah, they had some sections, but they didn't really double down on the rapid stuff.

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Yeah, so I mean, this is cool.

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I didn't even think there were any competitors out there. So it's good to see someone taking on,

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oh, geez, some of this looks proper, kind of excited. So it's PCVR.

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It's PCBR. They have a demo out now already. Yeah, the graphics are stunning. So it's definitely one that I wanted to highlight here. I got a little bit worried when Adam PERSON started talking about the other VR game with like realistic water.I was like, oh, no. She found white water VR. No, no.

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The most extreme thing about kayak VR PRODUCT, I think is just that map where it's like a stormy in the stormy lighthouse and so the water's kind of choppy. But I feel like this game, it looks good, but it has to feel good because kayak VR PRODUCT does

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a good job of giving you that bounce.

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If you feel like you're just kind of like slicing through the water and doesn't have that

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buoyancy feel, I don't know. It's one that I'll really have to feel to be able to give a good,

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you know, verdict on.

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Yeah, that, this is definitely, that could possibly be why, probably kayak VR. They didn't dabble so much with Whitewater Rapids FAC and stuff like that because it could be a notion inducer.But yeah, that's, uh, whitewater VR extreme kayaking adventure. And the last one I have here is... Actually, I have three more. Sorry. Next one is Summer Dive PRODUCT.That's the newest puzzling places puzzle map. So this one is kind of keeping the theme of underwater to the games that we listed. It's out now for the PSVR 2 PRODUCT. And yeah, it's good old puzzling places, but a little bit of underwater maps now.

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Yeah, the cool thing about that, for those who maybe just caught it on the trailer, I know audio you won't have, is they've introduced some dynamic elements. So before, puzzling places had really nice sonic treatment as you were coming up to finishing a puzzle. And this one, you have companionship because you have these little fishes that are around you as you were coming up to finishing a puzzle. And this one, you have companionship because you have these little fishes that are around you

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as you're putting together this dive build. So it looks very friendly and right along the right vibe that you get when you're doing a puzzling, puzzling places game.

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So cool for two bucks.

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Can't go wrong with that.

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And I have one last one here that I really, you're going to have to help me pronounce this one, Zim.

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I think it's an Atari ORG game.

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It's Aka, Akerra PERSON? Aka. You nailed it.

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I'm just going to say you nailed it because I don't know how to pronounce it either. Aka Ar. I guess.

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Arr.

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Yeah, A-R-R-H.

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Arcaxer? I think it's arc-axer.

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No way.

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There's no there's no there's no there's no.

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There's no, there's no, there's no, I refuse to believe it's axer. I don't know how this is.

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She's talking about a completely different game.

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This is for everyone who knew, who knows who Jeff Minter PERSON is, he creates the most psychedelic

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games.

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And I'm talking like over a 30, 40 year career, absolute nutcase to play his games, but actually does a pretty good job of frying your brain in VR. So ACAR PRODUCT, I suppose is how I would pronounce it. This is another one of his like, looks like an arcade cabinet, but they absolutely flood you with crazy neon, like arcade cabinet visuals and seas of enemies. It's like if you took Centipede PRODUCT and never stopped being the programmer for Centipede,but then he just mashes from music and sound to like nutty visuals. And he's put, I think this is his third dedicated VR title. There was like Minotaur PRODUCT. I can't remember the first one that was on PSVR one PRODUCT. But this one snuck under the radar.I didn't see it. And this kind of game is like, I find it's okay. It's a little bit too much for me actually when I play these games. Because I can play them for like 30, 40 minutes, but then my brain is just is is melted after that.I it's very fast-paced. So yeah, that's that's Mr.

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Minter PERSON looks so good. Actually, I actually, this is one that I really want to play. And it's by Atari ORG, right? I don't think if we mentioned that, which, you know, they're pretty well known for for this kind of publishing. But yeah, it's 1999.I believe it's on sale at the moment with an extra 10% off if you have a PlayStation Plus. So you can pick it up for $11.99 on PSVR2. That's a 1999 regular price. That's about 16 pounds and about nine pounds if you have PlayStation Plus PRODUCT. But yeah, out and now on PSVR 2 PRODUCT.And yeah, those are all the games I have this week. To round them up real quick. And architects, Convi Argent, Whitewater VR PRODUCT, extreme kayaking adventure, summer dive, puzzling places, and ACAR PRODUCT. Akaka PERSON. We're not angry at you.

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It sounds like Jose PERSON's angry at you guys, but we're not.

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We promise.

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Thank you, Jose PERSON, for the nice rundown for games to keep us fresh. Definitely keeping an eye on things that I just didn't know existed.

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And the big thanks to the audience for tuning in to check us out, whether it's watching us back on the train, checking us out live, or hopping on to Discord PRODUCT after the show to shoot us your thoughts. This podcast runs every two weeks, so don't miss it. It's F-reality. We're live every other Saturday, both on YouTube and Twitch ORG. And we're on from 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern and 6 p.m. in Ireland GPE. Screw you today, UK GPE.This one's for the Irish NORP lads. And the audio podcast over on Spotify, iTunes, and SoundCloud ORG is a treat. Thanks to Rowdy PERSON's undying love for boosting and suppressing our audio recordings. Weird hobby, but hey, there's a Yahoo ORG group for everything. With that? I suppose chat.P.D., you just missed it. P.D. just jumping into chat there. That's it. So I'm going to ask everyone to stay stay cool, Kings and Queens of VR. And this will, see you on the next one.Peace out. From that reality.