Hour 1: Minny Losing Momentum?

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It wasn't supposed to be like this. It wasn't supposed to be like this man. It wasn't supposed to be like this man. They were supposed to win came three and then they were supposed to be coming back here. Three one. Not my damn nicks.Yeah, man. It was always sudden, man. It's always something.

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Seriously? You're your pain. I'm here for it. Seriously.

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You're embarrassing. Let's start the show.

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I mean, I don't even know what to do with myself, Monica McNach PERSON.

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I'm with you. Are they real? Mm-hmm.

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Can you touch me? Let's see. Oh, good. Okay.

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Okay. Welcome to the East Coast LOC.

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Thank you. How are we feeling big time? I feel good. I feel great to have you. I feel a lot better for being tied to two-two as opposed to down three-one.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's rough out here in these streets. Gee whiz. Steve PERSON, how are we doing?

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My sister told me to tell you

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they're the only ones that called me, Steve PERSON. So you want to get on that bad side. You keep calling me that. It's cool. I want you on that bad side.

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I think they like you a little bit too much.

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So go ahead and do it.

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It's far right.

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I'm not doing well.

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I'm not doing well at all.

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It's great.

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You looked great on TV this weekend.

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Yeah, I mean, that's not very much.

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That's no surprise. I mean, obviously, I was watching them. I weekend. Well, yeah, I mean, that's, that's no surprise.

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I mean, I was watching them.

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I saw a backdrop.

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I was like, is that Miami GPE?

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Yeah.

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I was, okay.

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All right.

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Life is good.

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Life is real good.

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We'll break down the Knicks ORG shortly.

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But let's start with what the Nuggets ORG did. How about it? Evening their series against the Timberwolves with a second road win, taken back home court, Nicola Yokic scored 16 of his 35 in the fourth quarter. Aaron Gordon had 27 points on 11 for 12 shooting to propel the nuggets in game four.S.A. You gave Minnesota ORG a little bulletin board material following the game too lost? I think that the Denver Nuggets are on the verge of getting swept. I never thought of my wildest dreams that I'd beable to say that. I think the Denver nuggets are on the verge of getting swept and I believe that the Minnesota Timberwolves ORG are going to win the world championship.

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Okay, so what had happened was?

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My favorite receipt shows.

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Yes. You said that? Tapes always rolling big time. Yeah, man.

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Listen, it was so bad this weekend. I started off NBA countdown on ABC Network ORG television, hotter under the table. That's how bad it was. Let me tell you saying right now, man. You got the man up.I owe the reigning, defending NBA champion Denver Nuggets. An apology, which I apologize on national television. I'm going to say it again. I ain't got a damn thing to say. Let me tell you something. I was shocked, shocked at what I saw.I mean, they rolled up in the Minnesota ORG. They rolled up in those Twin Cities GPE and they're like,

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aunt who, who that? You sure it ain't the movie? And man, I'm talking about game three. I'm not talking about game four. So you sure it ain't the movie? You was talking about you. Why are you acting like this brother is a champion? We're the champions, okay? Jamal Murray making noise for all the wrong reasons for the first time in his career showed up and said, y'all are paying attention to the wrong stuff. Let me show you what to pay attention to.

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And we're not there and bust their living. You know what in that first half, okay? Yokic, a three-time league MVP now, played like one. And a four-time league defensive player of the year looked like he didn't even belong out there for the Minnesota Timberwolves and Rudy Gobert PERSON. I can't say enough about it. And listen, I'm not putting myself ahead of anybody, butwe know who the hell Mike Malone PERSON was talking about when he was talking about bulletin board material

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from the punitive. Ain't nobody else. I was the only damn fool that went out there. I think they're going to get swept. That's going to swear. That was me. That was me. I got to own it. I cannotbelieve how Denver ORG responded because my, Anthony Edwards exploded in games one or two. That wasn't it for me. We've seen that before.I have not seen defense that Minnesota played in game two in that first half. I had not seen defense without Rudy PERSON. That's right. You know Rudy PERSON was that guy too.

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That's right. He wasn't game two.

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He was with the fiance. Was he a fiance giving birth to the kid. Congratulations on that, right? But the bottom line is this.

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The first, that game, that defense in the first half a game two, y'all. I hadn't seen defense played like that in 30 years. Right. I hadn't seen it. And I was like, it was that. I'm like, they can't get loose.They can't shake them. They're too tall. They're too physical. And the devil was like, no, we, we're going to show you who the hell we are. And they've done that. I can't say enough.But I got to stand down and just pay homage and apologize on national television to the reigning defender NBA champions that reminded us of who the hell they are. I just have to do that.

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Cheers to that. All right, Shannon PERSON. Did the T-Wolves ORG blow their chance?

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I don't think they've blown their chance because they still have, you know, it's the best of three now. Yeah. But you saw what happened. It seems to me, Monica, is that when they went on the road and they won those first two games, the natural reaction is we're coming home now. We're going to get home cooking and they relaxed.They took a and that was all the nuggets needed. You see the difference. Now we know in every series, if you go back to last year, Aaron Gordon is going to have one game in a series and it's going to be all over. We saw what he did in game three against the lake in Stephen 8, 29 and 14. Yoke is going to be all over. We saw what he did in game three against the lake of Stephen Day PERSON, 29 and 14. Yoke PERSON is going to be Yoke.The problem that they have, the Nuggets might not win another game unless Cat PERSON decides to.

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Minnesota ORG.

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Minnesota ORG might not win another game unless Cat PERSON decided to show up. Because if Ant and Yoke PERSON played to a standstill, who's going to offset what Murray or Gordon gives you unless it's Kat PERSON. And if you look at Game 2, look at Kat PERSON's numbers. Look at Jake PERSON.All the other guys chipped in. I already know what a guy's going to give me. A's going to give me 30 plus.

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And he's going to do it on an efficient shooting night. 65% yesterday. If Kat, Kat got to be better 13 and 12. Oh, he got a double double. Man, damn a double double. You're the first pick of overall pick of the draft. You're a. Cat got to be better. 13 and 12. Oh, he got a double, double. Man, damn a double double. You're the first pick of the draft.You're a two-time all-star, rookie at a year. You've got to be somewhere around 25 to 30 if you want to have a chance. I knew Denver ORG was not going to go away. I picked them in seven games because I thought it was going to be a long series.Hey, they're the chance for a reason. They're going to find a way, and Murray PERSON got it going in the first half, and then Yokes and Murray got it going in the first half and then Yokes says come see him in the second half. Hey, Kat PERSON, you want somebody else? He was taking a turn with him.No, I got him. Na, I got him. He said, okay. No, okay, Rudy PERSON, you take him back. No, at the end of the day, didn't nobody want him, Monica PERSON.That's why he's the MVP, Stephen PERSON. Can nobody do what this man does? Nobody can score, rebound, run an offense, do all the things that he does, and do it at an official level. He even had a dunk yesterday. Hello?

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Rare sighting.

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Yeah.

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So I'm not saying it's done.

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But boy, they better come out like their hair on fire because the Nuggets ORG already know what it

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takes to be a champion.

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Yeah, I'm with you, Shay PERSON, Shay.

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I don't think it's done.

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But I will say as I look at the next three games, I think there are more wrinkles that the Denver Nuggets can deploy in terms of their offense than there are for the Minnesota Timberwolves. Now, it could come down to the defense that we start in games one and two,but for me, the thing about defense is that you are always at a little bit of a disadvantage in terms of you legitimately have to react.

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Yeah.

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And so even though Yolkich PERSON had a terrific game, technically he didn't even have a full-on triple-double

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like we're accustomed to him saying. He has 7 and 7 in the rebound and assist category. Aaron Gordon getting going is a bad sign if you're playing the Nuggets ORG. Yes. Because that means everything else is starting to roll. He is an elite level sort of release valve,a guy that you don't necessarily account for in the same way that you account for Yokic and Murray PERSON, but they're going to find him when the double teams come. So as I look out at this one, I think you're spot on. Cat PERSON is going to be huge. Defensive player of the year, Rudy Gobert, that version has to show up in terms of slowing Nicola Yokicich PERSON.

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But to me, the championship medal is now the differentiating factor. As excited as we are about Anthony Edwards, excuse me, and rightfully so, the experience, I think, is where the nuggets are going to have the edge moving forward.

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Which is why I believe, in order for Minnesota to win this series, they got to win game five.

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82% of terms.

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Because you don't want to go to Denver for game seven.

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Right.

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You don't want to do that. So you got to win game five. So you can try and close it out in game six. And right now, obviously, they don't have to do that. So you got to win game five. So you can try and close it out in game six. And right now, obviously, they don't have the momentum. Denver ORG has the momentum. You're looking at Carl Anthony Towns five for 18. She's you love the brother. You got to be better. You got to step up. You got to be better. Nas Reid, you are the sixth man of the year.Yeah. You are the six man of the year. I need to see what the hell you're going to do as well. He had five of the six shots or whatever you. but what he did, what Alexander Walker PERSON was doing, what Carl Anthony Town PERSON was doing, when Rudy Gobert was out and he was defending against Yokic PERSON. That Yokage that was there in games one and two, oh, that ain't theYokish we saw in games three and four. He elevated, and he played big boy basketball. Did you see him shoving around Rudy Gobert PERSON? Yeah. Just shoving him around. Just putting that, oh, putting that, just weight on you. You're just leading on you? Just shoving him around. Just putting that old, putting thatjust weight on you. You're just leading on you. Just bossing them around. Like a ping boy.

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You said you believe the Timberwolf need to win game five because you don't want to see them go for a game seven. They could lose in six. That's my point. Are we sure they can make it back to Denver for a game seven? No.

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82% of the time that game five is the dictator.

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You just think Michael Porter Jr. PERSON ain't got it.

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He had five points.

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He had five points.

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More wrinkles. Yeah. So you know he could, hey, he's one of those guys. He can give you a Gordon night. What Gordon had, he started out 10 for 10, went 11 or 12. Michael Porter Jr. can have that type of night, but he can go six for six from the three point line. Space.

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Which is even more room for, so much

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more room for Yolkich PERSON for activities.

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You got to make an adjustment if you're Minnesota ORG. You've got to strongly, strongly consider how you're going to use Rudy Gobert because the best their defense looked in this series was without Rudy Gaubert PERSON.

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I mean, with Yolkish PERSON, what he's doing, you get

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10 points on you, you get 10 points on you,

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you get 10 points. He just headed that 10 points on you, you get 10 points. He just headed that 10 points.

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Equal opportunity.

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Absolutely. All right, guys, before we move on to the Knicks, at the end of the game, Anthony Edwards seemed to have some words for Jamal Murray PERSON. Here's what he had to say about that exchange.

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Anthony, did you have any words with Jamal PERSON or any of the nuggets at the end of the game there look like?

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Oh, yeah, yeah. I just told his ass. That's what we love that. Keep talking that. That's what we like. Well, I love it, you know.So, you know, can you say nothing back? But I'm pretty sure you heard me. They heard me. Yeah, we live for that.

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All right. Shea, do you like Edwards PERSON' message?

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I love it. No, you live for that. That is what they live for. You live for that. I'm not so sure Carl Anthony Times PERSON, Rudy Gobert PERSON, and all those other guys.At some point in time, when you write a check, you got to have guys behind you that can help cash that check.

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In a team sport.

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Yes, yes.

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So when you put it out there, you know,

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you're doing all that talking, I ain't got no doubt that Anthony Edwards going to do what Anthony Edwards does. But I'm concerned about, hey, y'all heard what I said, right?

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Man, I wish you had to. Yeah. Hold on wait. I don't put it out there now. That's right. I don't put it out there.Everybody heard what I said. He said, I like that. Okay. Kat PERSON, you heard that man saying? That man put it out there. You got to back him up. Rudy Gober. PERSON You got to back him up. James, Daniel PERSON, you got to back him up.Well, the operative word. I should say operative.

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I was going to say operative? But the word that he used was we. And then he said, he can't speak for we.

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He can only speak for he, as in himself, as in Anthony Edwards, because we wait for the rest of the cats to show up, okay? Pun intended, Carl Anthony Towns PERSON, who I'm rooting for here. Yeah. Now, here's what I think.

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We look at the moment Anthony Edwards was talking. You know what was more conspicuous to me? That Jamal Murray PERSON said nothing. Had nothing to say. Kept walking. You know why?No, you know, y'all had us. We bust your ass the last two games. We're going to do it some more. You've got nothing to say. We'll see you in game five. We'll see you.That's what the side is. Sometimes you speak more demonstratively by saying nothing. Sometimes it's like, yo, I just gave it to you. You see Jamar Murray flexing, looking at the T&T crew of Reggie Miller PERSON?

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Yeah, that's a moment. A moment. That's a mean. That's a mean forever. Like, what? Did you see what we just did?And it's more to come. That's what I got from it. He didn't draw it with Anthony Edwards. He's got nothing to say. We just came into your house and we retook the momentum in this series.We were down 02. It's now tied to 2. We reclaimed home court advantage. We smacked y'all up while doing so. I got to talk to you.

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This is what we're going to do. So to me, that's what I noticed. The fact that Jamal Murray PERSON said nothing and just kept walking like you insignificant, you might get yours, but your team is going home. That's what I saw.I saw a champion basically being dismissive of folks chirping in their direction. This is not something that I saw after game two. I saw it now. I saw it now. I saw it now.

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And I think that is also the point that we just talked about, right? Like the Nuggets ORG opportunities to respond. They have more options down the stretch of this thing, right? I think we love Ann Edwards PERSON because of the trash talk. He was talking to KD in the first series. He's not going to stop talking, especially as he as an individual,continues to put up monster performances. And so that is very true to who he is. The Nuggets ORG may be a little cooler, but right now, like you said, they're in the driver's sitting.

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This is the number one defense in the NBA ORG, and they said, shh, shoo, be quiet.

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The adjustment.

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They shot 57% against the number one defense.

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They shot a one defense.

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44.8% from three.

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What you?

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Yeah.

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They just got,

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they got no answer for Yoke PERSON.

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Listen, I do think that yesterday was probably the Nuggets ORG.

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I don't, actually, I don't believe that because we just talked about Michael Porte PERSON. Yes. They have room.

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They get more room.

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I do think that this T.

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T. Wool's defense, though, is going to respond and be better. They better.

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Or they're going home. I think there is a real compete level there. But, you know, we, and going to respond and be better. They better. Or they're going home? I think there is a real compete level there. But, you know, and Perk kind of got us this morning because we keep considering the T. Wolves, a young team.

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And Aunt is young. The veterans. But around him, there are veterans. And so these are guys that know the compete level, the toughness level required.

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Well, by the way, last concern.

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Timberwolves didn't play bad yesterday. Their offense was pretty good. They couldn't. The number one defense

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could not get stops. Yeah. They couldn't get stops. If I don't watch the game, all I want to do is look at the box score. Cat numbers are going to tell me whether they win or lost.Because I already know I'm going to look down the box score and I can say, okay, Amman going to give me 30 plus.

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I ain't going to hold you. Based on what we had seen previously in the series, I wouldn't expect the team that won on the glass by 11 to have been the team that lost. That's right. Swings.

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Swings in the series.

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My goodness.

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Two guys drove to work.

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Neither guy wore a seatbelt. One guy got a ticket. One guy didn't. The same two guys drove home. One guy wore his seatbelt. One guy didn't.One guy made it home. The guy not wearing his seatbelt didn't. Don't risk it. Click it or ticket. Paid for by NHTSA ORG.

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The Pacers destroyed the Knicks ORG to tie up the series.

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Tyrese Halliburton scored 20 points. T.J. McConnell added 15 points 10 assists off the bench, and the Pacers ORG rolled to their second biggest playoff victory ever, winning by 32. The Knicks ORG who are under man due to injuries just couldn't muster up the energy, but they're not in the excuses business.

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I mean, we can talk about fresher legs, and we can give us all the pity that we want. Yeah, we're shorthanded, but that doesn't matter right now. We have what we have, and we need to go forward with that. So there is no, there is no, we're short-handed, but that doesn't matter right now. We have what we have, and we need to go forward with that. So there is no, we're short-handed. There is no excuse.There's no excuse whatsoever. Now, if we lose, we lose. So that's what that was.

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I don't know. I mean, I put that on my shoulders. I'm supposed to be, you know, the energy guy of the team, and I just, I didn't do anything. I gave nothing. So I put that on my shoulders.But, you know, now we just got to focus on resting, recovering. And, like I said, get ready for Tuesday.

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It was tough.

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It was tough.

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It was real out there in Naphtown GPE.

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Monica, was game 4's blowout?

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A bad game, or is this a bad sign for the Knicks ORG?

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So, having watched this team fight, claw, scrap, empty out everything that they've got, I'm going to go bad game.

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Okay.

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They still have home court advantage in this series.

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I think going into Indy, internally, I'm like one of these games is probably going to be a dud just because of the usage and the amount of minutes that they are having to play combined with the injuries.

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Friday night was so close.

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Both teams, in my opinion, had to empty out the tank.

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And the Pacers ORG obviously eke out that win.

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Terrific shot by Nimhart, 15% probability of that shot actually connected in that moment. Oh, my goodness. And then you got a 3.30 start on Sunday. A team that has been depleted by injuries, and again, is playing those monster minutes. And so to me, there were a number of factors

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that were aligned for them to lay their first egg at a postseason, and now they get to come back home. So I'm going with go with bad game. You cannot ignore the logic that Jaylen Brunson will not use as an excuse, but following in what he presented, I'm going to go with bad game.

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When you look at this, the reason why I chose the Pacers ORG, because I do believe the Knicks have the better starting five, but the Pacers ORG have the depth. And if you look at them game in and game out, it's the depth that keeps them in the game and it's the depth that win games for him. When you showed that videoof Josh Hart PERSON, did you see him bending over on the side

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how exhausted he was?

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The last time I saw a man like that he was winning the one leg and ass kicking contest you know what I'm saying? He had one leg and he won the asking contest. That's our tired. Josh Hart PERSON looked.

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These country, wait a minute. God, why don't you don't make me miss my boy? No, because what? Oh, my goodness.

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You ain't never seen a contest like that? No, I ain't never seen no one. Oh, man.

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The next one to have, I'll take you to it to and let you watch it for yourself. Oh, my goodness. Go ahead, Sheriff.

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Stephen A, but when you play, when you play in 48 minutes, you're playing 46 minutes, you're playing 43 minutes, and you play in that Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, eventually that's going to catch up with you because they can keep running 8, 9, 10 bodies while you've got to keep trotting out there 5 to 6 bodies. And you see they look at exhausted on Sunday from the tip. From the moment the guy threw the ball up in the air, you're like, oh, no, no, no.

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Isaiah Hirscht's got one dunk. And then after that, it was all down.

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You're like, oh, yeah, it's over. Do I think, look, I expected this to be a long series. I took the Pacers in seven, and I still believe, I still believe they're going to win it. They're doing a great job of wearing Jalen Brunson PERSON down. T.J. McConnell is picking them up 94 feet. Hey, you've got to just tie him down.You've got to make him work. And then the other guys are picking him up 54 feet, 50 feet. But Obie Topping, McConnell, those guys, Jackson PERSON, they're the difference in the game because they're coming in and they're giving you 40 to 50 points from bench points on a nightmare basis. That was an ass kick.

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Damn.

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That was an epic ass kick.

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I mean, we're talking about, you know, the massacre at Boston Garden FAC,

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Eastern Conference Finals EVENT.

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You're the Lakers ORG. Yeah, yeah, Lakers ORG. I'm sorry, the NBA Finals, when he lost about 40. I mean, we're talking about that kind of massacre.

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I mean...

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You were down 43 at one point, Steve PERSON.

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Yes, I know.

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Not you, Shannon PERSON.

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I'm fully aware.

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It was like, listen, they came out there and they didn't miss. They were shooting threes from all over the damn place. I mean, everybody was hitting threes. And I just looked at it, and I was like, and then Jalen Brunson PERSON didn't have lift from open and tap. It wasn't just fatigue.He's not 100% healthy, as we all know. Dante Divencenzel who's playing light. I looked like the second coming of Steph Curry. It gave three for crying out like a brother was a minus 40 plus minus 40 yesterday.Okay. It's like the worst since 1998 for the Knicks ORG, okay? This was bad. It was very, very bad. And I'm going to tell you that the answer to this question, both things apply. It wasn't just a bad game.It's a bad situation because of the Knicks ORG health.

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See, to me, my prediction, your prediction, everybody else coming into this series, OB Top and playing in game three, he's healthy. Knicks ORG win that game. Nix won that game. O.G. and Ninov. I said Obie Topping playing in game three, he's healthy. Knicks win that game. Nix PERSON won that game.

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O.G. and Ninobe PERSON.

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I said Obie Topping PERSON.

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OG and Ninobe PERSON.

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O'G. and Nobie PERSON wins. I mean, they win that game. They win that game, okay? And I'm looking at this dude, throw up a prayer and shoot all game and throw from 31 feet.

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And I just, oh, God, because I thought we had it. Because my thought process was the Knicks ORG injured and all of that going to come up in there. They're going to surrender game three. Game four. That's what I thought. That's what I thought was going to happen.Never in my wildest dreams that I believe the New York Knicks would be in the position where they'd get game three. I'm like, they're about to go on three-oh. They're going to go on three-oh. They're going to get this game. And damn it, this prayer, you know, from above, you thought about the movie Hoosers WORK_OF_ART and you thought about all of this.You got to be kidding. I can't believe he made that shot. I was sick to my stuff.

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I'm like, damn, right?

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And they just don't have the bodies right now.

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And so, you know, again, it's not over. You come back to the garden, the garden at adrenaline. They could galvanize the team. They could ultimately pull out of game five, force the game seven, because I don't think they'll win game six back in Indiana GPE. But it is asking a lot, considering the health of the New York Knicks ORG.No you, Julius Randall, no Mitchell Robinson, no Bogdanovich PERSON. No OG. Obviously, no OG. And that's why I disagree with Charles Barkley when he was talking yesterday. He was like, look, man, you know, getting on Tom Thidore PERSON. I have religiously got on Tom Thibodeau PERSON because his reputation is to run peopleinto the ground because he is old school. I can't blame him for this. You got nobody. You don't have bodies. Right. You don't have bodies right now.And that's what we're talking. We're talking about the New York Knicks struggling to have five guys on the basketball court healthy. That's what we're talking about here. If they're healthy, they win. I think they win the series. If they're not, they're in trouble.

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Because he doesn't have any choice but to play

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six guys. Who else he's going to play?

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The only guy that normally plays in a situation is Miles McBride PERSON. With OG PERSON out, with Robinson out, with Bogdanovich PERSON out, and Julius Randall PERSON. So where you're going, you're already shorting your bench. If you have a nine-man rotation on your bench in the regular season, you're cutting that to seven.Yeah, right.

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Well, he cut in the five, I'll be the sixth.

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To that point, though, I do tip of the cat to Alec Burks in terms of the two performances that he had in Indiana and McBride PERSON as well.

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But I just, you are not wrong, Stephen A.

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I just think it has been such a special year with this group, right?

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Like, as much as folks might want to point to Tibbs PERSON playing guys too many minutes, them dudes want to play.

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Yeah. Right? Like, they will defend him to anybody that asks them. And I think back to game too, the Frenatic finish versus Philly here in the Garden FAC, I think it's kind of lost that the Sixers ORG did have an opportunity to go down and

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score. Postgame, the Knicks ORG hold on.

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We're talking to Isaiah Hardinstein PERSON in our postgame interview for 987, and he's like, Tom Cibodeau PERSON had us prepared. We knew exactly what the Sixers ORG were going to run. And so what people think of in terms of minutes first, in terms of the burn that these players play,also comes with tremendous preparation.

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And these guys are prepared, even if you look at Burke PERSON's been able to step in and be the utmost professional out of the rotation and the average 17 points in the last two games. So I just, I think the minute's thing has gotten a really bad rap and it is unfair to this group.

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Well, you know what? I'm not going to say it's unfair because Thibodeau PERSON's history is why it's a question mark to begin with. Right. So it's not really about this season. It's about projecting.And again, I don't think Tybal PERSON did anything wrong in this situation. Please don't get me wrong. But I'm saying his reputation does precede him. And we can't ignore that. The fact is that he is old school. He ain't surrendering nothing.I got you. That's who he is. I got you. He's always been that way. And it hasn't necessarily worked his advantage come postseason time. We have to recognize that even though that's not applicable here.Secondly, point guard trending in different directions. Halliburton struggle games one and two, even balling out games three and four. Jalen Brunson PERSON went in the opposite direction primarily because he hasn't been but so healthy. So I'm looking at it from that perspective and I'm saying, okay, that has to, I mean, somehow, some way Jalen Brunston PERSON's got to give you the kind of stuff we know he's capable of giving you he has to because he's their only chance the Devinchenzo can't game four Josh Hart you had 18 rebounds in game three at three yesterday

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three we he knows that's not going to happen again Josh Hart PERSON will be ready to be the rough

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rugged dude and the energizer bunny that he is.

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I have no doubt about that. DeVincenzo's hit a miss. If he's on, that changes things. If he's not, that's a problem. But you still need Brunson PERSON. Brunson PERSON is the key.It can't be that kind of discrepancy between him and Halliburton ORG. Otherwise, it's lights out. Yeah.

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Oh, it's serious. It's serious. Well, it's lights out. Yeah. Oh, it's serious.

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I know. It's serious.

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Well, it's getting a quick take, though, guys.

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We got a huge matchup to start the NFL ORG season. The league announced today. Shannon PERSON, how about this? Lamar Jackson and the Ravens head to Kansas City to take on Patrick Mahomes PERSON and the two-time defending champs. How fired up are you for this one?

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Well, it's going to be an outstanding ball game. Wow. I mean, you talk about the teams that met for the AFC championship last year,

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and you're going to start the season with that matchup.

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You've got the Super Bowl EVENT MVP versus the regular season MVP.

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It doesn't happen often that you get a matchup of this magnitude and you might see it again in the playoffs again. This is going to be a big time Thursday night game to kick the season off.

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I think so as well. I'm looking forward to it and I expect, honestly speaking, it wouldn't surprise me at all. I think this should be the favorites to be a rematch in the AFC championship game. Yeah.

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Yeah. We shall see. Hey, hey, I'm Molly Karam and thanks so much for listening to the first take podcast. You can now stream the most MLB games on DirecTV ORG without a satellite dish. Yes, catch the clutch hit, strikeouts, grand salamis, web gems with nothing on your roof. So whoever's up there, whether it's roofers, Santa, birds, old-time chimney sweepers, moody teenagers,thrill-seeking raccoons, you name it. They won't find a satellite dish, but you will find your MLB games on DirecTV. That means DirecTV is your home for baseball this season. Root, root, root, with nothing on your roof. Yes, stream your team. Call 1-800 DirecTV or visit directtTV.com to sign up today. Claim based on the total games carried on sports networks. Sports availability varies by zip code and requires choice package.Thanks so much for listening to the first take pod. Have a fabulous day. Hey, Molly Karam here, and thanks so much for listening to the first take podcast. Vivid Seats wants to get you to the games you love this spring. Experience every pitch, assist, game winning shot live and in person. And the best part, each transaction is a step toward a free11th ticket with Vivid Seats ORG rewards, scoring beatable perks like free tickets, surprise seat upgrades, and annual birthday deals. As the official ticketing partner of ESPN, Vivid Seats ORG is offering you $20 off your first $200 ticket purchase with Code Take. That's Code Take. Visit Vividseats.com or download the app today. Vivid Seats ORG, experience it live. Good day. Welcome back to First Take May is Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage Month, and First Take will celebrate all month long. Today we highlight WNBA's Alyssa Peely PERSON. NBA's Alyssa Peely PERSON.

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Opportunities in sports that I want to see for Asian Pacific Islanders NORP is just more exposure and more role models at the highest level to inspire the younger generations. To the NBA, Mike Buhnholzer has been hired as the next coach of the Phoenix Sons ORG.

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The team announced Saturday, agreeing to a five-year contract. Phoenix fired Frank Vogel on Thursday after one season as head coach. The Sons won 49 and 33 in the regular season, then were swept by the T-Wolz in the first round of the playoffs. Boon-Holzer has been coaching in the NBA for 27 seasons, starting as a Spurs ORG assistant coach. He spent five seasons with the Hawks and five seasons with the Bucks. He led Milwaukee GPE to the first title since 1971, defeating the Phoenix Suns ORG, which he will now coach full circle.Michael Wilbon PERSON feels the Sun's issues are far beyond the coaching. Wilbon, talk to me.

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Red Hourback wouldn't solve their biggest problems. Phil Jackson PERSON wouldn't solve their biggest problems. Pap Riley PERSON wouldn't solve their biggest problems. No, their roster is flawed. Fatally flawed. They don't have a person to run and organize that team in the moments that matter most in games.They have to trade one of those guys to alter what is going on with the sons. And it's not going to be just bringing a new head coach in.

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All right, essay, what do you make of what Wilbon PERSON had to say?

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He's correct.

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But it has to start somewhere. And why not start with an NBA champion as a head coach of Mike Boonthonser PERSON, who's also a four-time champion as an assistant coach with San Antonio Spurs ORG, who also coached the Milwaukee Bucks for five years. And they had 23 more wins than anybody in the NBA ORG at the time and one of the elite offenses in the game as well. So we got to take that into consideration as all as well. But here's where Mike Wilbon PERSON didn't go into the details that all of uscovering the NBA are fully aware of. Kevin Durant in Phoenix GPE is a problem. It is a problem. We don't see it because the stats are there. Him and Booker average 27 points per game and what have you. But they say Kevin Durant PERSON is never happy. They say that he went more than a month without even talking to the head coach.They say that he doesn't look happy there and all he wants to do is play when the game starts and tip-off time arrives, but when it comes to ingratiating yourself with your teammates and getting along with everybody and stuff like that, he just lives in his own world. He's not hated. He's not despise. He's not doing anything negative. He's not being somebody He's not despise. He's not doing anything negative. He's not being somebody that's two-facing and behind people back doing stuff.

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No, that's not who Kevin Durant PERSON is, but keeping to himself.

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Why does that matter?

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It's similar to what he was doing in Golden State ORG before he ultimately departed, which is what was driving Draymond Green PERSON crazy, which is why they ultimately got into it on the court in that Clippers ORG game and what have you, because you hear stuff, you hear stuff, you hear about the level of unhappiness, et cetera, et cetera, and you get tired of it because when you don't want to talk and when you don't want to answer questions, you don't want to lead in a very visible way,where that forces other people to have to step up and take on a level of culpability that they don't want to stomach. And so because of all of that stuff, that's the untold stuff that's going on in Phoenix GPE. There's more than that. Make no mistake. It's not all on Kevin Durant PERSON, but that's a big, big part of it, which is why you've got to disband this group. They're not a big three.They're big three in money. They're a big three in name, but they ain't a big three in level of production. They were the worst fourth quarter team in the NBA last year. They got outscored by 11.6 points for 100 possessions. Well, guess what? That schematically in terms of Frank Vogel, that's number one offensively becausedefensively the man knows what he's doing. But evidently, they were one of the poorer defensive teams, particularly in the fourth quarter. They just didn't get it done. And in the end, when you get swept in the first round and you've got those kind of problems, I'm talking to America GPE. I'm not speculating. I'm not guessing, I'm talking to you as somebody that covers this league. Most of us in the league who covered the NBA know this stuff has been going on in Phoenix GPE.

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But it's far more problematic than we gave noise to it about as the season progressed. Once the season ended, you heard more and more and more about what happened. That's why they got a championship coach up in there with a five-year deal, giving them more than $10 million a year because you're making that investment, because you know more changes have to come, and you have to have that person in that position that could facilitate.

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Okay.

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Oh, Monica PERSON, where are you on this?

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Do you feel like they need to break

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breakup, excuse me, the big three? Yeah, I think they're late to the big three party. Not only the things that Stephen A mentioned apply, but like typically let's just go back to Milwaukee, the year theyB Phoenix in the championship. The big three, the third of the big three is a willing to sacrifice, is a Swiss Army knife in terms of being able to defend. You just put together three is willing to sacrifice, is a Swiss Army knife in terms of being able to defend. You just put together three scores.Like, to me, it's a little repetitive. So I didn't, I remember being in for Green Park FAC at the layout, when the Bradley Bill PERSON trade went down, being like, what? What are we doing here? So I do think that there's some redundance there. The only person in this that has trade value and legitimately could be moved is probably Kevin Durant PERSON.

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And even though Stephen A PERSON just rattled off some of the interpersonal things, he just want to hoop. There's plenty of teams that want a dude that just want to hoop.

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That's right. And they'll take them. You know what?

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It just gets hard, though, when you're dealing with a player like Kevin Durant PERSON talking about a guy that I've been in the locker rooms because you're always wondering, man, you're walking on eggshells. Man, what can I say? How do I approach him? And I understand that he wants to play, and he is a historically great player. But it's tough. It's tough when you're dealing with a guy like that because you want to ingratiate yourself.You're a part of a team. And it's a big difference between a basketball team, locker room and a football locker room. You got 80 guys in a football locker room. You only got 15 guys in that locker room. There's only so many guys that you can talk to. And then when you get one of your superstarsfor what Stephen A PERSON is reporting is true, it's tough. It's tough. But I agree with you guys. I think they need to break it up. Because the problem that they have is that they don't have a point card. Devin Booker PERSON is not a point guard.I don't check people. Oh, but he can do. No, he can't.

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What is the big thing also as well? They had a point guard. His name was CP3 PRODUCT. Yeah, dude. Well, here's the big thing also as well. They had a point God. His name was CP3 PRODUCT. Yeah, dude. Well, what's one of the reasons he was gone? You know one of the reasons CP3 PRODUCT is gone?Because CP3 PRODUCT is known for holding people accountable. He ain't playing that nonsense. We ain't going to just do what we want to do. We're going to do what it takes to win. So that's problematic as well. And here's the biggest thing, Molly PERSON.I held off on this. But I got to say this. There's very few teams in the league that have more assets to offer. Because Phoenix

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doesn't have. There's very few teams that have more assets to offer than

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Oklahoma City and New York GPE. New York's got 11 first round picks over the next seven years. And you know how I said KD, take him. Take that number one option. Take KD. New York GPE. Listen, no, listen. Listen. I'm telling you, I got calls immediately after saying last week, go get Kevin Durant PERSON.They said, hell no. They said, no, no. You don't want to mess New York GPE up. If you're Oklahoma City GPE and you see them young thoroughbreds, they don't want to come up. You don't want to mess up what Shannon PERSON was talking about in the locker room. And I'm like, what you mean mess up?Kevin Durant PERSON ain't no problem. Kevin Durant PERSON don't bother anybody. They said, that's not it, Stephen PERSON. It's what Shannon PERSON just articulated. You're walking on eggshells. You don't know.He don't want to talk to people. He walked around the reports where he was walking around. Actually, it wasn't reported.

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He was walking around for more than a month with a hoodie. Didn't want to look at people, didn't want to talk to him. But you're on a team and the game's being played. Now, if Kevin Durant PERSON, if that is wrong, we all owe him an apology,but he needs to understand there are people in the league. All of us, we're being told this.

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I have two questions.

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Yes.

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When do you feel like Kevin Durant was happy in a locker

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room? You ready for this? Yeah. I don't know of a time. So I'm actually glad you posed

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that question, Molly. I don't know of a time. Not in Oklahoma City, not in Golden State ORG,

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not in Brooklyn GPE. And again, it's like, what do we attribute that to? Is it when the team's

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not winning? Is it chemistry with your team?

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Is it the city?

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Because he's too talented.

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Go ahead.

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He's a superstar.

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It's amplified in the conversation around KD.

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And I don't know what is or isn't true, right?

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Like when I have the chance to cover games of Phoenix GPE,

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Katie just want to hoop.

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Our last conversation when I was in Phoenix

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was he was kind of chuckling at the idea of guys being labeled old, right? So that's kind of where my knowledge started.

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You always just want the hoop.

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Right, right?

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Always. But I think, I think there are probably more guys in the league that present the same sort of personality. No.

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Not that.

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It's different.

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It's different. I'm not saying, listen, you cover the league. You know what you talk about. I'm not trying to challenge you on that. What I'm saying is that there's a whole bunch of dudes who just want to hoopand don't want any of the extracurricular

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responsibilities.

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That's not new.

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You're right.

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But very few wear it or have the have the cachet to wear it on their sleeve even around their teammates, the way that he has. What are you going to say to a brother that's going to go out every single nightno matter what he's doing? He's going to go out every single night, no matter what he's doing. He's going to go out every single night. He's going to give you 27, 28 a night. He's going to be efficient. He's going to be one of the elite superstars in this game. Kevin Durant PERSON does not cheat you.

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What if in terms of chemistry, and obviously you're part of this as well, what if there's the right coach, like the coach that he respects that it can get to him? Or what if there's another veteran player that he respects?

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Well, let me stop you. You had Scott Brooks for years. She got Steve Kerr PERSON. Okay? The Kenny PERSON accent. Now, you got Steve Nash isn't there if Kevin Durant PERSON doesn't mind.You had a problem with him being there. So you let that happen. Okay, you go to Phoenix GPE. Frank Vogel PERSON's a champion, okay? Monty Williams was there before Frank Vogel PERSON. The bottom line is when you sit up there and say he's 35 years old, he's been in the league15 years. Nobody trying to hear anything about, oh, is there the right coach? At this stage, with his greatness? Nobody trying to hear that.

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There's too much talent. So you trade him?

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You have to. What's the move? I think you do. And who takes him?

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Because a lot of people take.

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What's the right place? What's the kind of thing? If you're saying it's the move? I think you do. And who takes him? A lot of people take him. A lot of people take it.

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What's the right place?

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If you're saying it's the kind of thing like the Knicks ORG are too young, they don't want to mess up what the Knicks ORG have going. Obviously, they're banged up. You don't want to mess up what's happening in OKC GPE. What's the right fit? Personality-wise.I'm talking to just talk about his personality. I'm not talking about whether or not it's going to fit cat-wise. Just his personality, I think the perfect place for him would have been the Lakers because of LeBron PERSON. Now, we're really in dream. Of course.

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No, we're going.

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I'm just talking about personality.

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I would take him in New York GPE.

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I know obviously you're a Lakers ORG fan.

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I'm only talking about LeBron PERSON because LeBron is a magnet

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for the, is a magnet for the attention. So because you have that,

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Kevin Durant PERSON gets to the plan the background. It's just to be fine. But that wasn't enough for him in Golden State ORG evidently, so we don't know. So before we jump all the way to Fantasyland ORG, what I will say, I think we all agree that he's the piece that has the bestreturn if he's moved.

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However, they did, including the four-games sleep in the postseason,

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only play 45 games together.

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So to your point, starting somewhere with a new head coach,

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if they can stay healthy, if they can gel,

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if they can have more time to play together.

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But Monica PERSON, you're talking about the guys that had a history of injury

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that's getting older.

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Last I checked, you talked about somebody that's about to be 56.

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You don't get healthier as you get older.

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That's not it.

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And this is where I'm going to come at you. Okay, tell me. Think about your personality. Think about how, look at me. Yep, I'm here. We're here.

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You know how you do, right?

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You know how you do, right?

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Your personality, how vibrant, how positive you are, and you're working for somebody every day who reportedly is you're just going to be like, yo.

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Hey, what's going on, man? You're good? Yeah. At a certain point.

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You stop talking. Yeah.

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That's all I'm saying.

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But if it worked on the court, then it's all good.

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But it's not working on the court.

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I get it. But if I have more games, is what I'm saying.

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She's what.

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Well, how many games did it have in Brooklyn GPE?

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Does this move a difference maker for this team?

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Does this move the needle, this higher?

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I think it moves the needle because Budenhosa PERSON is a hell of a coach who knows what he's doing,

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knows how to be productive.

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But I don't know that his strength is overcoming that.

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I don't know that. I have overcoming that. I don't know that.

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I have all the faith in the world in Budenhosa PERSON as a coach

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in terms of X's and O's and knowing and dissecting who should be responsible,

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allocating responsibility to this person or that person.

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I have all the faith in the world with him.

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But if you have somebody that distances himself from everybody around him

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and is basically ISOs himself.

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And that's hard to overcome.

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That's hard to overcome.

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That seems like a real,

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I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. That he's distinctions himself. Now, we've, that's been several locations.We keep hearing the same things. Look, man. Are you hearing it? Are you hearing it? Are you hearing it?

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Yes, or no?

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DC, Ruth?

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D.C. GPE?

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We ain't making it up.

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Hometown.

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He got the cachet to hoop.

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He can still hoop.

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Are we making it up?

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You not making it.

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He can still hoop and then some.

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That's all I'm saying.

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All right.

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The Hawks had only a 3% chance and still ended up winning the NBA ORG draft lottery to get the number one overall pick that's major. The first time they have that pick in franchise history, Stephen A PERSON, what do you think they should move pick in franchise history. Stephen A. What do you think they should move forward with?

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I have no idea. I have no idea. I mean, the reality of the situation is everybody that I speak to says this isn't the greatest draft in the world. Next year's draft is going to be much, much stronger than this year's draft. I do believe that the Hawks ORG need to move in a different direction. I like Trey Young PERSON a lot, but I think that, again,they've struggled a little bit too much over the last couple of years since they've gone to the conference finals a few years ago. They've nosedive to some degree. And, you know, got McMillan PERSON fired as the coach, got Quince Knight PERSON up.And then I'm like, I don't like this team personally. They got to make a change. Trey Young PERSON brings tremendous value. Figure out where you can ship them and get additional assets in. So keep DeJonte Murray.

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Jonte Murray PERSON. Move Trey PERSON. That's right. Are you going to keep the number one pick or do you move that also?

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Well, I think you're going to end up keeping it because how much, how much, how much are you going to get for this year's number one thing?

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Yeah. How much you're going to get for this number one draft pick? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. Man, I hate to see ice stray up in this draft. Ain't no. How much you're going to get for this number one draft? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. Man, I hate to see ice stray up out of that level. No, I know.I know. I know.

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We shall see.