Disney's Dismal Future

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Thank you. Welcome. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Collingwood on the Rocks. I almost forgot the show. Can't wait for Chris PERSON to come back. I'm pretty sure you all wondering what's going on. All I can tell you is Chris PERSON is doing much better. And he keeps referencing this note to me saying, allude to nothing. Don't hint at me coming back or not coming back.So my hands are kind of tied. I'll just say that he is doing better. If you follow his Twitter account or Instagram ORG account, he's partying. So we're getting there. But hey, welcome to the show today.Hollywood GPE on the Rocks. We got a special show. Epic Mike PERSON is joining us for the whole show. We're going to talk about, as the thumbnail suggests, Dismal Disney WORK_OF_ART. We'll also talk about. We'll give you the review of Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes WORK_OF_ART.We got a lot more to talk about. We may have some fall guy news, some box office news and a few more. But let's do this. Let's get the show started. Hey, Mike, how you doing?Welcome to the show.

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Yeah, thank you for having me.

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I actually made it on time this time.

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I went through, I double checked, and then triple checked what time zones I was in. Yeah.

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I don't know. So I'm glad to be here, man. Thanks for me. I made sure to over communicate.

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It's one o'clock. Yeah, you're like, I will see you in two hours. I'm like, yeah, two hours.

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All right. Well, yeah.

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Hey, actually, Mike, tell us about yourself. I think this is the first time

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you and I really had, are going to have any kind of a conversation. But yeah, tell us about yourself. And then I'm also interested in Epicverse Studios ORG. Yeah, so I'll try to keep it

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brief because I can rant for quite a bit. But yeah, my name's Epic Mike PERSON. I'm primarily known as being part of Geeks and gamers a lot of people know uh jeremy d day cobra you know ryan kennel PERSON um a lot of different guys in that community um but yeah i've been part of that group for a little while um i'm also really good friends with uh jessia rises PERSON um and up until recently i'm also just been known for my ranting and screaming on the internet. But about two years ago, me and my buddy Josiah announced that we were also working on an independent film studio called Epicverse ORG.And we've been working really hard and really diligently around the clock to put together kind of a portfolio for everybody so that when we launch officially as a company, we can kind of prove to people that we put the work in ahead of time instead of just asking for money and saying, we'll figure it out as we go.

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I think that, you know, that's fine.

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That's a fine way to do things, but I think that that happens a lot more often than not. And I think that sometimes breeds failure instead of saying, hey, let's put the work in and let's figure this thing out and make sure we're on the right page. So when we finally step on the stage and are ready to go, we know that we've done the work and done the due diligence to get things started. But yeah, the plan is to launch later this year.We've kind of been having to shuffle things around. We were planning to launch a lot earlier this year than we are going to. But yeah, that's that's kind of the big the big focus is just getting back to original storytelling. You know, one of the one of the mantras we use a lot is that storytelling is fundamental part of the human experience. We've been doing it since we've sitting around in caves, drawing on cave walls, sitting around fires,you know, and then passing down stories of lineages and ideas and concepts and themes. And we just want to get back to that because I feel like good storytelling is kind of becoming a lost art form, which is heartbreaking and tragic, but I know that it kind of goes hand in hand with what we'll be talking about later today. But yeah, I think good storytelling is becoming a lost art form. And we're watching a lot of the old guard either retire or pass away, unfortunately,or the more heartbreaking has become so apathetic about storytelling that they just walk away entirely. And I kind of hate to see that. And I'm hoping that we can one day kind of rekindle that in people and rejuvenate the film industry.

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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, even the defiles just kind of going over that and seeing how it's the fact that they shoved out all these old veterans who were there from the Disney Renaissance, back with the Little Mermaid WORK_OF_ART, had been who had learned from the legends from before them kicked them all out and and had the arrogance to say hey you know the old way is no good anymore and that we're we're ushering a new era of storytelling and we're seeing the

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results of that right now yeah i love that the new era of storytelling is to just talk about all the things happening in the world today in a very poor uh yeah very poorly um like well we got to reflect modern audiences i'm like i don't know what that means like what

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there's a lot of people in modern audiences not just uh millennials yeah and not just millennials that live in

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in very specific parts of california and new york so yeah but let's be real. We see ourselves now. And that's the most important thing above all else.

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I'm a little disappointed. I don't see a lot of people walking around with Afro's PRODUCT on television anymore. I think I kind of missed my chance, you know, in the 70s and 60s. So we'll have to get some more representation for Afro's PRODUCT in there, I guess.

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So let me ask you this about the Epicverse ORG. Yeah. Or Epicverse ORG series. But what is your approach to storytelling, especially as an independent film company? My assumption is you don't have millions of dollars laying around.

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No, we really don't. All of everything we've done so far, like the, the business model, or at least how we're getting launched and getting started is we have six short films that we put together we sat down me and just i and cooked up some story ideas we said we want to do these six stories um and then we also found a couple people that were interested in us helping them tell their stories we have a there's a film company in kenya that we helped um produce afeature film that they did and a couple other smaller independent creators that have also been working on it. And our goal is just to kind of start small and tell smaller scale stories, but within the confines of a bigger universe. I think for me, one of the issues I see a lot with independenceis they get so excited that they can finally make a movie, that they kind of swing for the fences. and that's fine until you swing for the fences and then you have like you try to tell a really big scale story that you just don't have the budget for and then people go oh this looks cheap or this looks lame or whatever and I'm like I think you can tell a really good story if you can keep the scale small but the idea is big like

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I use the example of like alien is a really great example of that. I mean, this confined small spaceship with, you know, just a lot of nooks and crannies and stuff. And they tell a story in that that's very, very moving and very compelling and terrifying.

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And so, yeah, our hope is to kind of get back to that. You know, it's kind of a blend. I think we've learned, we have a lot of new tools now that have made filmmaking easier for independence, you know, access to camera equipment, you know,

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also, you know, even how special effects are done and things like that. We have more access ever to do certain things within the film industry. But also using, I think, the way we described it as like time tester traditions, you know,

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like stories from old always have worked. People like those stories. And so we want to kind of get back to that. We're telling a lot of original stories, but there are a lot of them are influenced by movies that we all grew up watching or enjoying and loving.

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You know, we're not trying to reinvent the wheel wheel we're just trying to get back to using wheels instead of trying to i don't know put a square on a square on a vehicle and going i don't know maybe i can make this drive you know i i just want to we just want to get back to that but we also want to try to do it um instead of just constantly doing uh adaptations or sequels or reboots it's like let's tell our own ideas and stories put our best foot forward,

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and then we'll see what the audience likes and when it doesn't.

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And that's the other big part of it is our audience. I think that, you know, Hollywood GPE has kind of lost touch with its audience. And one of the goals here is to hear feedback from our audience about, hey, what do you guys like? What do you want to see moving forward?

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Do you like this movie? Do you not like this property? Do you want to see more of this actor or these actors? Because I think that that also will help because audiences going, hey, here's what we think about this and here's how we feel about this can help help us pivot and create things that they want to see more of and enjoy more of.

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Yeah. I mean, it's amazing to me how the studios have straight away from this idea of, you know, the audience is the one who's giving us their money. Why not cater and pander to the audience? You know,

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the,

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because what we're getting nowadays is just the preaching.

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It's rather than appealing to the audience that they have, they appeal to the audience that they want.

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And that's the

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problem so yeah i mean good luck to this epic verse studios ORG uh you know i hope you guys make a lot of movies

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make a lot of money to the point where disney PERSON will buy you well yeah well i'll i'll i will

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happily tell them no you can't so um but yeah i i'm definitely hoping to do that and just as a quick shout out to film thread again too we all we all, we actually ran into Chris, uh, oh man, like six months ago now.

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He, he actually showed up in our state, um, at a con and we got to meet him and sit down and have dinner with him. We showed him a couple of the things that we were cooking up and, and all he had to say was wow.

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And, um, for him to, to be on board with what we're doing is really, that's quite a sign off.

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So we're pretty excited to keep going with it.

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Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm excited too. I think he might have played a thing or two from you guys. And, you know, it's like it's amazingly, the resources available to you are incredible. And you mentioned that.You know, if you want to make a movie, being able to do that is not as expensive as you think it is.

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Yes. You can go to the cheap route and do it on your iPhones PRODUCT, but there are better tools out there from sound. Lighting is cheaper than ever. Yeah.

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Editing tools, special effects. Even animation is the tools are there. And anyone can make a movie. Yeah, absolutely. tools, special effects, even animation is the tools are there. And anyone can make a movie.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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All right. Let's talk about a few things before we get into. Oh, yeah, let's go to the chat real fast. Let me see. Going for some reason, my computer's running real slow.

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For more thought, like, share, subscribe, hit the bell for notifications. Sign up as a member. Join us on Discord and Rumble PRODUCT. Yes. You know, from what I'm seeing, the algorithm is hitting everybody. And so whatever you can do to support and help film threaten the channel would be greatly appreciated.From Tony G. Ever since Chris PERSON has been gone, there has been no white representation. Well, I think Paul Chato came close last week.

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I think that'll be as close to white representation as we'll get.

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I mean, I'm half white, so you got like 50%, you know.

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There you go. So, you know, look, you guys had your time. All right. Patrick Lemere, Disney ORG broke the chain. That's right.

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Solomon Thornton responding to Patrick Lamere PERSON. I can't wait for the day when Eiger leaves and someone better takes his place. It has to happen.

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There's so much stuff. We'll talk about when we get to Disney ORG. But there's so much, so many working pieces. when we get to Disney ORG, but there's so many working pieces. It would almost take a miracle for Disney to change course without crashing first.

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Yeah.

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From Cassigan, actually, let me save those for the Disney ORG chat. Aaron Charmin again, I want Chris PERSON back for more white representation. You know what? you are not working uh you are working for the stereotype is that the right way to say yeah okay sorry i'm clicking this next

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chat and it's not showing up for some reason come on computer got this okay there we go uh hey it's me in hd what did dante

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slash verbal right do uh do to his hair uh and grow a fro oh yeah did he oh did he okay uh just kidding

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love epic mike hail the one nine nine i appreciate that thank you okay and then finally uh from jkkk ORG can't

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wait for ch score PERSON to come back.

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This channel is getting a little too multicultural, if you know what I mean.

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Oh, boy.

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You guys.

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All right. Let's talk about the fall guy. I asked you, you saw it not too long ago.

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Yeah, I watched it this morning, actually.

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Yeah. Yeah. So give me your initial impressions on the fall guy. Yeah, I watched it this morning, actually. Yeah. Yeah, so give me your initial impressions on the fall guy.

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Yeah, I was actually really surprised at how much I enjoyed the film. It's obviously, there's some, there's some obvious bait there, like, you know, with the music and stuff, they're really trying to evoke a certain feeling. But one of the things that I very much appreciate and I think is important and I love about this movie is that it does put a spotlight on stunt people and how much work that they do.I don't think it goes far enough. I think it could have done a little bit more for them. But I appreciate that they really do put stunt people on a pedestal and say, hey, without these guys, your movies don't look as cool. You don't get to have as much fun. You know, there's a romantic angle there,which is fine. It works for what it services the story, but the idea about just stunt people and how difficult it can be and how dangerous it can be, but also how awesome these guys really are at what they do, I think is one of the things I really liked about this movie. And having worked on films myselfand having a really awesome stunt guy that I've worked with, you know, a couple different stunt people I've worked with. Those guys are amazing at what they do.

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And they really don't get the love that they deserve.

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And so I also appreciated the marketing of this film where you had Ryan Gosling PERSON doing like a lot of stunt work and they like stunt people doing all kinds of crazy like gimmicks and stuff on the red carpet. To me, that kind of stuff is awesome. But at the same time, my criticism of it is it's obviously there's a little bit of baiting there. And it's very much a, if you don't know how Hollywood GPE works, you won't get how important this film is and I think that that would make that makes it kind of difficult to resonate with certain audience members you know um and so then you have to kind of rely on the story andthe story is not perfect it's it's fine story's very tropey um been told before but I was the

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most I was entertained for the most part so all right hey um, um, an emergency just came up on my end.

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Is there a chance you're able to, can you vamp for a bit? I can talk for hours. Okay.

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Vamp a little bit more. We're going to, we're going to talk about the box office response, but I'll be right back. Okay.

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Well, I will talk more about fall guys because, uh, one of the things that I really appreciated about this movie when it it does talk about like um it does talk about like actually how dangerous stunts can be and how rough and difficult stunts can be for people um and so that was one of the things that i really appreciated about this movie um i think some of the stuff that they did like there's a scene it's obviously glorified for hollywood but i think it kind the stuff that they did like there's a scene it's obviously glorifiedfor hollywood but i think it kind of undercuts the message there's like a scene where like um and this is not a spoiler but where ryan gozzling PERSON does it take where it's like lit on fire and like they keep doing it over and over and over again because the director's like mad at them and i'm like that would never happen on a film because like that could potentially get somebody killed you acting stupid like that um Um, but other than that, you know,some of those like tropey things in Hollywood GPE, um, I thought it was pretty entertaining. I thought the love angle was kind of whatever. I was like, uh,okay. Um, and then obviously they have like, uh, I said, can you dig it?I can dig it. Um, having like, the villains of the movie being who they are, it's funny because sometimes Hollywood GPE doesn't realize how they actually kind of shoot themselves in the foot.I'm not going to spoil the plot, but the main villains of the movie actually are very like glaring on Hollywood because the people in the industry that get the most love and the most looks and the most eyes on them are the villains in this film. And I think that that Hollywood GPE doesn't realize that they're kind of making themselves look bad when they do something like that. They're like, oh, hey,all these people that you don't like or, you know, whenever you take shots at actors for being like Percy Divas PERSON and stuff like that, that's kind of that's kind of the thing that we're dealing with in this film you know so i don't know i appreciated parts of this film but i also think hollywood didn't realize how they were kind of shooting themselves in the foot a little bit so

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hey you all good i'm all good i don't know what you said but it sounded great

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all right let's talk about uh the box office here and this is I just want to kind of get your insights, see what you think.

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And again, I apologize. My computer is running real slow at the moment. No, it's okay.

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But, yeah, fall guy comes in at $27 million over the weekend.

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I believe that falls fairly low in terms of projections and where it needs to be.

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Yeah.

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I think it's wanting to, I think it, from what I've read is that the target here is about

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150 to 200 million. And it seems to be far off the path. And this is the weird thing because, you know, I think I liked it, you liked it. I think a lot of people who actually saw it liked it.

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But why, do you have any, do you have any thoughts as to why

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the lackluster performance over the weekend? I think it's two prong. One, I do think that the

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story itself, um, the marketing for this movie does not do the story justice. I feel like the marketing is kind of off. They kind of marketed as like a romantic comedy. This movie is kind of trying to do a lot of

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things at the same time. That always to me when it comes to marketing will make people not want

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to go see it. They'll go, oh, what is this? Some kind of love story in Hollywood GPE. I don't really want to see that. The other part of it is, unfortunately, I know a lot of people and I hear this a lot, say, you know what? I don't really feel like going to the movies for something like this. This doesn't seem like a movie I want to, I want to waste my money on. I don't know feel like going to the movies for something like this. This doesn't seem like a movie I want to waste my money on. You know, I don't know that I want to get up and go and have to get dressed and go do this. But I can just watch this on streaming.This to me, unfortunately, seems like a movie that most people that I know would sit there, would look at it and go, yeah, I'll just wait for that to come on with streaming to go watch that.

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I'll just, I'll look for to show up, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like though, I mean, this is a movie come on with streaming to go watch that. I'll just, I'll just look for to show up. You know, go ahead. Yeah, I feel like, though, I mean, this is a movie you don't want to see at home. I agree, yes. From the stunts, the visuals, everything is this belongs on the big screen. And one of the things that Dante and I talked about last Friday when we reviewed the film was that I think we came to the conclusion that this was a chick flick.This is a movie that you take your girlfriend to.

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And maybe the stunts and the actions

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aren't exactly what the chicks wanted. And that maybe there's a little bit of confusion as to who the audience for the film is. And maybe we're learning this lesson too late in the game. Yeah.

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I think that that's a very accurate way of putting it. Because like, yeah, if you market it as a action film, it's not an action film. But there is a ton of action in the film. But if you market it as a rom-com and people go to see it as a rom-com, it's not really a rom-com either. It's it's doing a lot and not always super well. But I think that,

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you know, once again, uh, the smartest thing for them to do would been to pick one aspect of the movie and really lean into that. I think they should have marketed it as an action film,

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like as a love letter to Hollywood GPE and action stars. And I think the marketing for that

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would have definitely been the angle that could have sold it. I think that people want to be reminded of why they like to go see movies and why they enjoyed going to see movies. You know, the thing is like, you know, and I know, we're not the same age or anything, but, you know, we remember in the 80s in the 90s and stuff we were watching jacky chan PERSON do crazy stunts and you knew that that was a huge draw and in any time you had an actor or somebody that did their own stunts and made a big deal about it that was kind of ahuge deal yeah and then you know just recently we contemporary we have john wick PERSON which is made by a

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stunt guy and it was made by a team of stuntmen you know so i think kianu doing his stunts for the for the most part yeah and and that's a huge draw to people so for them to be

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like oh you know yeah you know it's a it's a action stunt movie but really we like you know it's all about this love story i'm like yeah people don't really want to see that just remind people yo do you remember when jacky chan did this crazy thing or do you remember when this actor did this crazy stunt or Tom Cruise PERSON, which they actually come up, like they mentioned Tom Cruise PERSON quite a bit in this movie.

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And they kind of take shots at him.

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And I'm like, yeah, but like he's kind of like the last living movie star.

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Why not lean into that and say like without him, you probably wouldn't have some of the box office draws you do. So one of the things that got Tom PERSON, I canceled from that discussion was we didn't get canceled.But to me, it's like when I compare movies like this, the original fall that I came out in the 80s. In the 80s, it was stunt movies. It was all action-oriented. In fact, I would liken thismovie to Hooper PERSON more than the stuntman.

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You know, the movie exists just for a reason to do huge elaborate stunts. I think the issue maybe is that Ryan Gosling is not exactly the man's man of the 80s.

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He's tough in the movie, but I wouldn't call him a man's man. And compared to Bert Reynolds or to even Lee Majors, who was in the original television show,

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you know, I think there's, you know, I'm wondering if there's some of that in there

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that kept people out of the theaters as well.

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Yeah, which is a shame because I thinkyan goesling PERSON does a good job in the

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movie he's charming you know i think he can carry a a movie pretty well but i do agree yeah he doesn't

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exude action star action hero or anything and he doesn't and if i feel like if they were going to lean into that they should have leaned into it a lot harder and yeah ryan gosling doesn't have that same kind of machismo that kind of

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like yeah he doesn't have that kind of grit that you feel I think like I said he does a good job and you know he did like he did a couple bits you know promoting the movie where he does stunts and

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he's trying his best but it's just not the same when you watch somebody like like we talked about earlier cana Reeves like running around and doing like a shooting shooting drills and doing all these car stunts and we're like oh my gosh this is crazy and then we watch like ryan goslin like on jimmy camel brick and a vase over a guy's head and you're like it's not well i mean i mean look at it i mean kiana i would say kiano and ryan gosling are built similarly

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they're not far off and yet one comes off as an action star and one doesn't.

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You don't know Ryan Gosling PERSON for his action films.

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You know him from Ken. And if you saw the nice guys, he was in that one as well. He's La La Land PERSON. He's not exactly, you know, I don't think action star is the path that Ryan, that suits Ryan well. There are, you know, La't think action star is the is the path that ryan uh that suits ryan well uh there

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are you know la land all these romantic comedies and stuff those tend to suit him much better than

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this yeah i i very much agree with that yeah it's just one of those things i think there could

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have been a a lot of other actors that you probably could have cast that would have had a bigger

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draw in that feeling and then kind of in that vein. But yeah, it's it's kind of one of those ones.

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Yeah, you need you need like a Keanu Reeves or, you know, like this movie might have been interesting if you had like, I don't know, Henry Cavill or somebody that kind of has that feeling that like I'm like, as a guy, I'm like, yeah, I want to go see that guy kick ass in a movie you know like Ryan Gosling PERSON is fine I mean he did do um what was it was it driver

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I think it was the movie yeah I know what you're talking about I can't remember the name of it

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I don't remember the name of it either but like he did that movie and you know that was kind

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of a gritty action film but it just yeah like with recent hits and the recent

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things he's done like you know you mostly know like you said notebook oh drive not not driver

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but we know him mostly recently from barbie and ken PERSON and i i can isn't a huge draw to guys to want

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to go see that you know even blade runner 2049 PERSON or did a great job but those are not the roles that

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he's most remembered for he's a lot of times it feels like he's remembered forever he's done recently, not what he's done before. And the last thing he did was Ken. And I'm like, yeah, no, that's not, that's not the guy.

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Okay.

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And I'll just point out one thing here in the, in the box of it.

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But a lot of it does have to do with budget.

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You know, it's not that you can't make a profit, you can't, it's not that you have to make blockbusters, but you can make profitable movies.

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And I'm coming down to number seven here, Unsung Hero WORK_OF_ART.

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Dante and I talked about this, but this is the Christian Faith-based movie coming out of Lionsgate ORG. And it's at $13 million, meaning that it's a few million away from actually hitting profitability. So, you know, congrats to that. I took my daughter and her boyfriend to see it and it's been a, spend almost $100 on tickets and food.

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Yeah.

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There you go.

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All right.

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Movies are expensive time of days, unfortunately.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Well, the food will, yeah.

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I mean, you know, part of me is like,

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I'm willing to spend the money to support my theater. Yeah. And I wish everyone else would do that. Yeah, I mean, you know, part of me is like, I'm willing to spend the money to support my theater.

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Yeah.

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And I wish everyone else would do that.

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Yeah, me too. Yeah. Like the local theater that me and my buddy Josiah go to, they have like a cool program where you basically subscribe for like X amount of, I think it's like $20 a month. I think it's a little bit more than that now. And basically you get like three free showings a week for you.

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Yeah. Um, and then you also or is that, uh, your local.

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That's a local theater. They're, they're owned by AMC ORG, I believe.

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Okay. Um, but like, yeah, they have like a deal, local deal that you can get, go to different theaters and do that. And then you also kind of like, if you spend a certain amount of money, you get like a $5 gift voucher and those. Yeah, that is that is AMC ORG, the A-LIS plan. Yep, yeah,

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and I really enjoy that. So it makes me want to go see movies a lot. But I think a lot of people don't

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even think about that. And I'm like, that would be better than any subscription service to me.

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I'd rather forego that and go see movies and get to see that. It'd be cheaper for me to go see.

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Because like, there's been a couple times where I've had enough vouchers where like I've gone and taken my kids. And they're like, wow, you have like four vouchers saved up. So I save like 20 bucks on a like ticket or whatever.But if you don't have that, yeah, going to movies is a lot.

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It's very expensive. Yeah. All right. Let's get to your comments here. We'll drop that out. Okay, from Horror Punk ORG.We need a stream with half white Mike and quarter black Garrett PERSON together.

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We have done that. Yeah, we made one full black guy before. Do you guys, does that make it?

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No, that makes you three quarters of a black guy.

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Three quarters of a black guy. Well, close enough. Well, no, that's what it was. Yeah, I had another friend on her who was a quarter black as well. We made, yeah, it's the Voltron of blackness. if we all combine to make one black person it's pretty yeah yeah watch that

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tom brady roast and there's some good jokes about that one um from christ for moonlight productions

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the fall guy also brought back uh charles band's PERSON metal storm also brought back charles band's metal

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storm was that in there or okay i think that was the name of the movie.

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Oh, that's right.

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That they were doing, yeah.

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Okay, I get it.

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Metal Storm WORK_OF_ART is the movie they were making. Corky's Chilling ORG. Really like the homage to stuntman. Yeah, I would say if you, if you want to do it, go check out Hooper starring Bert Reynolds PERSON. That is a stuntman movie.From Penny, the fall guy was fun. I mean, that's just it. It's fun. It's just no one's going to theater, watch it apparently. Alex Gray, Epicverse ORG is taken over now.

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Oh, hopefully one day. Yeah.

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Solomon Thornton. Yeah, when you guys launch everything, you'll definitely be back. From Solomon Thornton PERSON, when I think about stunt people, three comes to mine,Buster Keaton PERSON, Jackie Chan PERSON, and Tom Cruise PERSON. I'll tell you this.

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My first Jackie Chan PERSON movie

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was Rumble in the Bronx WORK_OF_ART,

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and I had a friend to writing to it.

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And to me, it was like, Rumble in the Bronx reminded me a lot of singing in the rain, in the idea thatJackie Chan PERSON, it's more than just fighting and doing martial arts in a vacuum, but he

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used the environment that he was in, whether it was an arcade, whether it was, you know, on a big, what was it, hovercraft. You know, he used the environmentas a means to flavor and accent the fights in the shopping, in the shopping, shopping mark,

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grocery store. Yeah. And so that was mine. And that was the great introduction for me to

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Jackie Chan PERSON. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah. Jackie Chan's amazing.

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All right. From MK Solid, Epic Mike PERSON can rant. It's great. Yes, thank you for that.

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I had to find this thing in the backyard.

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All right.

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From Torvitticus PERSON,

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Hero Saving Film Threats interview. Oh, by the way, we have an interview today with Dan Mervish PERSON. She's going to talk about his movie 18 and a half. And we're also going to talk about slam dance coming to L.A. From Davina, Duckworth, Allen, and Epic Mike are a great team. Yes. And we're only 30 minutes in. So, uh, yeah, we could ruin that real easy.Hey, it's me in HD. As a fan of 80s and 90s action movies, I'm still baffled how the Academy ORG doesn't have an award.

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Yeah.

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There's no stunt Academy Award WORK_OF_ART.

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Nope.

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There should be,

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but there's not. Yeah.

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Yes,

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and it's called on the movie.

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Solomon Thornton PERSON. This is why I believe directors should have a say in marketing and trailers. 100%. I've seen so many movies ruined by a trailer. And then to talk to the director and say we had nothing to do with it, especially those that spoil the surprise of the movie.

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Yeah. MK PERSON. Solid 82.

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Seeing movies and theaters is just a chore now. Yeah, you know, you belong to the A-list. I belong to A-list. I also belong to Regals ORG' plan as well. Nice.

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And quite frankly, it's kind of nice to go

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you know it's to have the ability go to it to a theater and just see whatever yeah it makes it so much but and and then the air conditioning the air conditioning is always very nice especially

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during the summer yeah yeah uh the food yeah i'm i will say the food is getting better.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely. Right.

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From Victor Fontaine PERSON. Everyone of my friends and family said that they are just waiting, that they will just wait for streaming. None of them wanted to go to the theater see Fall Guy WORK_OF_ART. I hear you. From Blue, Blue just became a YouTube ORG member.Be sure to join us in the Discord. And we got some special videos also in the member, member chat. From John Platt for five British pounds. Thank you very much. Since the Koof PRODUCT ended,I have got away from the cinema going and it's been my money on building plastic model kits, which I used to do as a hobby as a kid. Yeah. Yeah, it drew a lot of people back to, uh, back to the fun hobbies of the past. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's, it's, it's sad. I mean, but that's, that's the unfortunate thing. Going to see a movie now, you, you most of the time feel like you wasted your money. That's not a good feeling, um, you know. And, and it, and it really has kindof built up steam over the last like few years because probably just you know 20 20 i went and saw movies but you know obviously they were shut down for a while and stuff for a little run there i would go see movies all the time like me and just i would go see movies almost every week sometimes twice a week or sometimes we'd go and see like three movies in a row and like use up the, the stipend we had or whatever. And unfortunately now, like I don't, I rarely, I rarely have a drive to go see the movie again. I want to support my theater. But like, as far as going to see a movie,I'm like, I don't even know if it's going to be worth my time, you know. So. Yeah.

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Yeah. Even for me, I mean, thank God they opened a theater just down the street from my house. Nice.

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They opened it a year and a half before the Coof ORG.

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And so, you know, it's a five-minute drive.

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If that theater wasn't there, it would be a 20 to 30-minute drive to the next local theater.

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And it is.

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And there is that,

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hey, do I really want to go out of the house?

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You know, there is work involved.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, okay.

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Let's move on.

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We're going to clear the decks. Whoops. Thank you, Lori PERSON. And I need to get rid of that banner. Got it. And let's,let us pivot. By the way, when DEI ORG comes after farts, you know it's over.

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What are you talking about? All right. Let's talk about Disney ORG.

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They just had their recent earnings call yesterday.

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Their stock plummeted.

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I just kind of want to talk about, for some reason, of all the studios, Disney ORG is the one we love trolling.

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It's the one that just kind of represents the worst in Hollywood GPE at the moment, especially from a business perspective.

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And I don't know not a B, so I can't vouch for it's for us. I know they're trying to be, I guess, like the Babylon B PRODUCT, but they have the best article about this. A woke Disney ORG stock plunges after another disastrous earning call. We can't say why we didn't see it coming, even though we did see it coming.Well, this is a surprise after years of pushing a not-so-secretting gay agenda on kids and spending billions on poorly written, badly directed box office bombs. Disney ORG had another fun earnings call. Stock plunged almost 10% after moments after CEO Bob Eiger predicted poor earnings in quarter three.So this next quarter, they predict they're not going to do so well. Yeah. Let me see. And of course, my screen here is stuck on Trump PERSON. Here we go.It goes through all the disasters of Disney ORG. The Marvels lose $230 million. Indiana Jones loses $143 million. Wish loses 131 million. Haunted Mansion, 117 million.Disney ORG execs are blaming everything but themselves for the siting, industry changes, and superhero fatigue. We know that the real problem is bad movies and woke agenda fatigue. Okay, so this is clearly from not a B. I'll skip that. Okay, so here's the thing. When I saw the news about the earnings call,let me see. Let's take a look at Disney ORG here. This is today. Today they are losing about 0.1%, but you could see the big drop here. This is where they were at the earnings call,and then it dropped down here. And I don't know what that is. But after a day, it hasn't recovered. And I don't put a lot of sway into the stocks. You know, if we could invest based on the news, we could probably be all rich.

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Things are not looking good.

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And what you saw in that earnings call is Bob Eiger. You know, it's this idea that he'll spin anything anyway to make them look good. They'll say that they didn't see things coming or they'll say that those numbers aren't as much as you as bad as you think they are then they'll push money around saying that Disney ORG plus added new subscribers um what what is based on just the business end of things uh let me drop that out uh what is what do you think

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that's going on at Disney ORG I mean I wish I could say something that hasn't already been said, but, you know, you kind of hit the nail in the head with the, and that article did too. They obviously have become more agenda driven than they have become profit driven. You know, if you worked at a, you know, let's say, Alan PERSON, you own a company and you, you know, obviously maybe your main focus isn't just making as much money as possible. But let's say you run a company and the first time you put out a product, you lose, you know, like if you own a multimillion dollar company and you lose a million dollars, you go, ooh, we don't want to lose a million dollars again.But imagine then the next time you put out a product, you lose a million dollars. Then you lose a million dollars again. You go, at some point, you have, somebody has to go, what is going on and what is not working? And Disney ORG hasn't done that. Like we're watching them like roll out bomb after bomb after bomb. And this is on the, on the heels of what we were already talking about with them,which is that we knew that their movies were struggling. We've been saying this for a while. We know Star Wars WORK_OF_ART has become almost completely unprofitable. Like it doesn't generate anything anymore. You know, Galactic Scarcruiser PRODUCT was a nightmare.You know, we know that they lean really heavily on their parks to generate income for them. We also know that the parks have not been doing as well as they were hoping they were. You know, so we're watching them just take hit after hit after hit. And at some point, as somebody in the company has to stop and say, enough is enough.We have to get back to something that drives people. But all we've seen them do is double down on nostalgia, you know, baiting nostalgia. We've seen them double down on making more and more movies to establish, and I'll use this, this is a page from Chris's book, establish Disney ORG as a girl brand, you know, and things like that, when that was never an issue before, you know, like we knew, you know, the Little Mermaid WORK_OF_ART is mostly for going to be for young girls, but guyswouldn't saw it.

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Kids saw it. You know, these movies were made for people, like, for kids in general, that we could go see it and their parents could watch it and enjoy it with them. Now a lot of times I'll watch a movie and I'll go, as a parent, I don't want to watch this. And I kind of don't want my kid watching this because I don't want them thinking, like, I don'twant them to watch this and watch something bad when we could go watch something good and enjoy it.

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Yeah, it used to be, I mean, we've heard it from recently from theater owners that people would go up to the window, see the Disney ORG movie and ask, is it safe? You know, there used to be a time where you just plop your kid in front of Disney ORG, the Disney channel, and you walk away and you didn't fear anything, anything bad or anything that you as a parent

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might object to, uh, infiltrating these stories. Yeah. And, um, you know, I, I think, you know,

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you, you mentioned doubling down. It just seems like there's this path that Disney ORG is going down

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and that nothing is going to cause him to stray from that path.

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You know, this fight with Nelson Peltz PERSON trying to get on the board. And the amount of money, the corporate money they spent trying to keep him off the board, was incredible to me. You know, the idea that that Iger PERSON has appointed the entire board as yes men, basically. And so there's no, there's no dissent. There's no one in the corporation that says, hey, we're losing money like you can't believe.Maybe we should change direction. Or maybe we should look at things differently. I remember in the Defiles when we talked about Strange World WORK_OF_ART, they had made this movie, added the gay teen love story and put in, and basically told a story that was about the dangers of fossil fuels. It was an environmental allegory.The movie bombed opening weekend, opening Thanksgiving weekend. And the first thing that all the employees got during that Zoom call to kind of go over the massacre of the weekend was, I know it hurts, but we have to stay the course. And that was eye-opening to me.

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And that's what got usening to me. Yeah. And that's what got us to wish to an even more activist-type story. And, you know, I mentioned it ad nauseum, but, you know, Walt Disney ORG was always driven by failure. His next movie, if it failed, it could have tanked the company. Disney ORG is too big to fail. And it just doesn't seem like they care.And what they say after the earnings call is just an indication that they're going to spin things however they want, make things seem better than they are to investors, while we as the audience know we're being gaslit like crazy. Yeah.

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And that's the thing. I think the difference here, because I've seen so many people go, Disney ORG has always been a big company. They've struggled in the past and they've always right, you know, but the problem here is that no, that we have never had this level of transparency within the film industry.And the thing is, we have watched studios. 20th century Fox ORG is gone they don't exist anymore they belong to disney you know like that's i would have never in a million years thought that 20th century fox would have been bought up by the mouse but here it is you know when they bought star when they bought marvel WORK_OF_ART marvel was struggling they needed help you know and they had gotten back to some profitability but it made it made a little bit ofsense when they bought um star wars you go okay well george lucas been looking to sell star wars just doesn't want to deal with it anymore but like they've just been buying things up left and right and we're watching them make every single one of these properties and IPs completely

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worthless and that's the part of it that is wild to me. But, you know, the other part of it is like I've worked,

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we've worked with people now, you know, doing this independent stuff that have worked with Disney ORG. And I have not met a single person. It's not hyperbole. I've not met a single person that has ever had any dealings with Disney that has anything good to say about the company.

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They don't like working with them.

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They said it's always a terrible experience. And I know people that have been screwed over by them bad enough to say, you know what? The only reason I didn't sue them was because they make it such a legal headache

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to deal with them that it wasn't worth my time. You know, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you go back to two weeks ago when we talked about Disney and Verses ORG, this is a company that's strayed far off Waltz Pat ORG.Yes.

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You know, was Disney ORG always big?

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Well, it was big, but, you know, Disneyland FAC almost didn't open. Snow White and the Seven Doors WORK_OF_ART almost was never finished. You know, there was that fear of failure. And I think that fear of failure made their products better. It forced better storytelling.It predicated on the fact that we need a large audience to see our movies and go to our parks and for us to make money. And that simple, common sense idea about business is gone.

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And it's just excuses. I mean,

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always, yeah.

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Watching Disney ORG, you know,

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watching Bob Iger PERSON speak is like watching politics. Yeah. You know,

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you can't believe a thing they say and you feel like you're being gaslit every time they open their mouth. Yeah, which is wild because once again, I was talking about this with somebody like a week ago. I remember like the when, um, not Bob Eiger, uh, Michael Eisener PERSON, yeah, would show up on the wonderful

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world of Disney ORG and he'd show up on your television and he'd sit down and have the, give you this speech. And even though it was all corporate and it was about making money and we know Michael Eisner PERSON was all about making money and he didn't care about making good art. That's that's the quote from him. At the end of the day, me and my mom and like other people we knew, we would sit down in front of the TV and believe that this guy on the television was telling us the truth and really wanted us to be entertained and to enjoy the hard work that was put into this film.

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We all believe that stuff. Now if, you know,

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Bob Eiger went up and said that, I wouldn't believe him. I would think that it was an angle. And I don't think that that is just because of the transparency. I think it is absolutely because of what we've seen from Disney ORG and how we've seen them lie and how we've,the lack of transparency across the board. And while, yes, you don't want to upset your investors and things like that, how long can you keep lying to your investors before something happens to your company that you can't come

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back from?

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That's what we're all kind of looking at is going, yo, like we're not, we're not desperate to

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see this company fail for the sake of seeing it fail.

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We're all wondering, yo, the writing is kind of on the wall.

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At what point do you go, yes, we have to pivot and change, or at what point do you just fall apart? Yeah, absolutely. It's like,

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you know, I see Gary PERSON talk about this all the time. You know, it's like, let's just let it fail. Just let, let Disney ORG crash and burn and then see what rises up from those ashes. Because, you know, it's like, what is the scenario of change? Even if Nelson Peltz got on the board, he is now one voice, one minority voice on the board of directors. And so whatever he says, you know, he's going to get outvoted. Yes.And but at least that was the beginning. At least that was a sign that people outside of Iger PERSON and his cabal know what's going on and want to see change.

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Yeah.

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And it sounds like we have to go another year of bad Disney ORG for them to finally get it.

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Yeah. You know, I went to Cinemicon ORG. I went to the Disney ORG panel.

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And four movies, I'll just mention the three big ones, the three live action movies, quote unquote, that I think will be great for Disney this year. It's Deadpool Wolverine PRODUCT. It's Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes WORK_OF_ART. And it's Alien Romulus PRODUCT. Ironically, all three of those are Fox movies it's alien Romulus PRODUCT. Ironically,

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all three of those are Fox ORG movies or Fox studio films. You nailed it.

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That's it right there. Yep.

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Yeah.

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Everything else that like Disney ORG has a what is it, the young girl and the sea and the sea about a woman who, the first woman to swimacross the English NORP channel. And I watched that trailer. And I'm sure the person who did it has an inspiring, inspiring story to tell. But you watch that trailer and it's all about, they'll never let a woman do this.No one cares if a woman can do that. A woman is certainly going to die on the ocean. And that's the trailer they give you.

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And you know, now it's not about being

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an inspiring person but it's about the cause yes and that's that's really what it comes down to like

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you know it's funny because people people ask i see this as a excuse for disney PERSON people say well there have always been like woke movies there have always been activist movies there have always been movies that are about a cause and some of them were really popular and appreciated but like a big part

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of it is the authenticity of it you know the authenticity of these comments like if you go watch like

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remember the titans like yes the movie is definitely about racism and racism being a bad thing and stuff

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but it was real story and the the goal wasn't to yell at the audience about, you know, racism is bad.

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The goal of the audience, the goal was to tell the audience an entertaining story about this football team and how they came together and overcame a bunch of odds that were external

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to just playing football.

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It's an interesting concept, you know, but we also watched the Disney ORG tank the, the sports genre as well. They just kept pumping things out and then they ended up you know putting the new mighty ducks on Disney Plus ORG and people didn't like it and people didn't enjoy it and now you had Emilio Estevez PERSON walk away from it and so it's like there's at this point like you said Disney ORG's best projects are are relying on the goodwill of another company that they bought to make it work.Deadpool is popular, not because of Disney, but because of what Fox ORG did with it. Because Fox ORG decided to take a risk when the footage leaked, and they decided to really lean into Deadpool WORK_OF_ART and what makes Deadpool work. You know, the sequel to Deadpool, while not, I don't think it was as good as the first one,

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still was trying to rely on the comic books and still trying to be accurate to the character,

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to the source material, to the themes of the character. It's like, so Disney ORG's going, hey, cool, we got this character that you guys love and don't you guys want to watch him do stuff? And you're like, yeah, but I'm kind of worried you guys are going to make him not act like he was supposed to act, you know, because we know you have an agenda. And now everybody sees that.

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So, yeah. I mean, it's fun you have an agenda. And now everybody sees that. Yeah.

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I mean, it's fun watching Kevin Feigey talk about it about Deadpool WORK_OF_ART because he, he came out

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and thought it would be really cool if he just started dropping F bombs. And he dropped about six of them. Yeah.

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And you just realize that, you know, it's like, you know, we just need a win here.

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And so, and it was just like, we're going to get the win here, but we're still

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stay in the course, you know.

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Yes.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just do wins. Yeah. Yeah.We need a win so we can justify to everybody around us that we haven't completely lost the plot. But like, everybody knows they've lost the plot because that's like you said, at the end of the day, they're still staying to this agenda and I I mean this in the best way because I know a lot of people will have an opinion and I know a lot of people kind of already know the answer to this question But it's a question that I pose that I hope will wake up other people like why are they making why are they putting this agenda above profitabilityThat doesn't make any sense like

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no you want to make entertainment you want to make good movies sometimes movies flop it happens you know that's what cult classics were a thing but we haven't seen disney PERSON make a cult classic in decades there hasn't been a movie that flopped at the box office and then became a massive hit later you know

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um so it's like what is what is driving these people to stay this course? Why is it that nobody can stop to get this company and go, hey, listen, we're losing money. We're struggling. The company is at an all time low and all these other companies around us that we have been able to like that have not even been close in competition to us are watching us

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struggle and they're circling around us. You know're watching epic universe about to take off which ironic name but like they're about to release a theme park that blows anything Disney ORG has out of the water

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like but i know but the first time yeah it's weird for the first time we're playing a vacation

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to Orlando and it's epic universe are going to. Yeah. And not Disney ORG.

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And that's never, I've been there many times and that's never happened.

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The other thing is, you know, okay, so at that same, at CinemaCon, we saw a clip of Captain America, New World Order WORK_OF_ART.

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And it's, it's, look, when you see a trailer, you should be inspired to want to see that movie. Uh, when I saw Deadpool and Wolverine WORK_OF_ART, we knew what we were getting. We, we saw the clips and we were, I was inspired to see that movie.

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I can't wait to see it. Uh, but now with, uh, with Captain America WORK_OF_ART, it's like, I'm just not inspired at all.

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You know, I, again, and this is the problem with Disney ORG. They just assume that if they produce a movie, we'll come out and see it. And it surprises me that they have yet to learn that lesson. That we're just because you make a movie, just because you make a Marvel ORG movie, just because you make a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie, we're not going to come out in droves to see it. And they don't see it here.

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All right, let's go to comments. Let's see.

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From Cass again, I think Disney ORG has been boom and bust since Walt PERSON died, chasing trends with brief periods of success. I will say, you mentioned Michael Eisner. Michael Eisner saved Disney ORG. Disney ORG was dying.It was literally, you know, from a business standpoint, was not in a good position. And Eisner PERSON came in, changed the company, kept it from getting bought out, and did amazing things with it. And I'll just touchstone films was a big thing. And you talk about him being more concerned about money than creativity, yes. And that greed that Michael Eisner had created the Beverly Hills Cop WORK_OF_ART series.Yeah.

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And so, you know, yeah, sometimes greed is good.

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Yeah.

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Someone said that.

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For Cord Wainer, Disney ORG was the smuggest. Are you talking about Walt PERSON or just the company itself? Because I could believe either.

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Yeah. Harry Brownhall for $2 Canadian. Hollywood GPE has to earn a benefit of the doubt very hard.

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You know, I mean, I'll be honest. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt is just a lot harder to do that nowadays, especially with Disney ORG. out is just a lot harder to do that nowadays, especially with Disney ORG. When I talk about Inside Out WORK_OF_ART, I saw the first 35 minutes of Inside Out, and it looks really good. But I know Disney has done the bait and switch in the past, and that they can produce a good 35 minutes TIME. It's what they stick on at the end. That's the issue.

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And I just don't trust it to stick the landing of the great start of that movie. No, not at all. From Red French Moon WORK_OF_ART.

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Because even Amazon or Netflix ORG produce good things. Disney ORG is pushing the same stuff. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, I was just talking to Mike about the Tom Brady roast on Netflix ORG. I mean, this is hilarious. I mean, this is, that was hilarious. I mean, it's crazy.

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And, you know, I think the best you could say about Netflix ORG is they're,

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they're producing a wide variety of content.

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And it appeals to a wide variety of people.

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And I may not appreciate half of the things coming on Netflix ORG,

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but I can certainly appreciate

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the other half.

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Yeah.

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Well, and they're taking risks that a company like Disney ORG should take because they have the

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capital to do so.

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And that's the sad part is like Disney ORG has taken, let's just go the safe route and go

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with what works.

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But they've done this in the past too.

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And so I can't fault them for going with that. But they've done it in the past, too. And so I can't fault them for going with that.

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But they've done it in the past where, like, you know, the guys that, you know, they did,

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Little Mermaid, and they did the Lion King WORK_OF_ART. Then they did Aladdin.

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And they were like, hey, then they did Hercules WORK_OF_ART. They're like, hey, let's keep doing these movies. These are working for us, you know. And then they kind of took a risk with, I think it's Treasure Planet PRODUCT. And then Treasure Planet PRODUCT didn't do very well. And they're like, oh, so they're very risk-averse.

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But they have the money to take risks and they won't and so netflix is going let's just try it and see what happens yeah amazon does the same thing amazon says let's just try it and see

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what happens and the one time they didn't do that and didn't listen to their audience very like

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and with this rings of power thing look at how much money they've lost yeah you know well i mean yeah

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i mean the classic example of netflix is you got one piece and you have Avatar WORK_OF_ART, live action.

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You know, they're kind of getting it. You know, one piece they got the hit, Avatar WORK_OF_ART, not so much. The fact that they are backing people like Dave Chappelle PERSON and this roast that this roast should get get any any channel canceled i mean this roast were so bad that that that you know you're glad that they pulled it off of comedy central

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and put it on on netflix because these jokes are so offensive uh and by being so offensive

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they're so great because because everyone went there i mean the stuff that was coming out of kevin hart's mouth was insane.

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Just the clips I watched, I was like, we haven't seen this kind of comedy in so long. Yeah.

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And comedians are like kind of the last big, they're the last, like, they're kind of the last warriors.

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They're on the front line taking hits to try to stop this from happening.

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And like you just said like alan ORG like comedy central is not what it used to be they used to have these roast on comedy central and could you imagine how much money comedy central could be raking in right now if they just actually put out real comedy

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and let these comedians say what they want to say even if it is you know controversial or scary it's like a netflix said you know what we'll take the It's fine. And they have been making a killing on these comedy specials because of it. Yeah.

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I mean, I swear Tom Brady's PERSON set on his roast should get him canceled. And it won't.

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And thank goodness for that. He shouldn't have, don't apologize. And the other thing is even on Comedy Central ORG, these roasts, there was a great deal of self-censorship going on.

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And I would eventually say that there may have been a great deal of self-censorship going on. And I would venture to say that

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there may have been a little bit of self-censorship

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in that Tom Brady PERSON rose,

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but there are some jokes that were like really cringe-worthy. And again, that's why we love these rows. The Loan Pigeon, predicted poor earnings in quarter three. Way to go out on a limb. Did he also predict the sun coming up each day?

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Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is how much longer, uh, can these poor earnings reports come out before Igers PERSON is forced to take accountability for them.

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Yeah.

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Uh, from Rumble 80L is 24.

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The earnings call was hilarious. We are focusing on original ideas. Uh, then we, then why are you making sequels and remakes? Yep.

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Solomon Thorne, this is what happens when Iger is in charge of Disney ORG.

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He's the Jack Warner PERSON of his generation. Boom! All right. From Uncle Remus, bombs away, Bob Iger PERSON. Just in channels, until now now Disney ORG could crash its studio division because they are they had positive operating income from parks now parks is showing weaknessand investors are frightened yeah I don't think people are getting an accurate impression of the performances at the parks and as much as they're relying on them, that is something that's being neglected right now.

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And we'll actually get into that in just a moment. From Suns and Shadows WORK_OF_ART, if it ain't broke, let's break it till we need to fix it. There you go.

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Lone Pigeon PERSON, Iger and Disney ORG playing the cup and balls game with their earnings. Ran out of cups and now everyone knows they have no balls. Very good. Chelsea M. I wish Disney ORG would stop ruining movies from us millennials childhoods.Oh, and stop ruining movies from us Gen Xers too for the boomers as well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, go watch the Vers versus episode we did on Disney ORG. One of my points was that it seemed like Disney feels they have to correct Walt PERSON. And that's why they're remaking a lot of these movies doing live action versions of it. Because Walt was racist in his day. And we need to fix that.

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Yeah, we can't. Yeah, there's no way that a person that was racist or had

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any kind of controversial thoughts or feelings could never make anything of any worth or have any kind of yeah it's it sits in these people's minds sorry this is just like a quick thing but like it sits in their minds to look at this thing and go oh Walt disney was racist half the time they

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don't even know what that actually means. They just know the word is there. And they go, how could a racist make something that I care about or love? And now when they look at it, they go, you know what, I just realize there are no black women in the, there are no black women in the Little Mermaid WORK_OF_ART.

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So we have to go back and fix the little mermaid and really make it what we think the right way to do it is. And their right way to do it is to say, let's just insert people of a different race or

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minority into it instead of actually going like, okay, does it actually have problems?

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Is it actually problematic?

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You know, but they don't want to have that conversation because the answer would be, no, it's not problematic. It doesn't have any issues. You have to think of something on your own and come up with your own ideas, but they know their own ideas don't have any merit because all their ideas are built on and predicated on. How can I judge the previous generation for their failures?

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And if you live in a world where you're the victim and the guys before you are all at fault, then you'll never make anything new and you'll never produce anything of quality because everything will be predicated on, well, they did this to me and that's why there's a problem you know yeah and that's

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sad yeah and the and the other other side of that coin is you know because just because he was

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he may have been racist back then uh he still did great things and you know, and let's be real. Walt Disney ORG hired minorities, and not just to clean up the studio,

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but he put them in prominent roles.

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Tyrus Wong is the art director of Bambi, an Asian NORP man.

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You know, the whole story of Song of the South WORK_OF_ART,

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and James Basket being the first African-American male to win an Academy Award WORK_OF_ART.

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Although he did lobby for it and kind of paid for it. But nonetheless, that was there. You know, Mary Blair, a female artist, art designer for Sleeping Beauty WORK_OF_ART. Yeah. And she also inspired, it's a small world. And don't blame her for that.Okay, so from Day Trippers, if you want to watch Waking Sleeping Beauty WORK_OF_ART documentary now, speaking of Sleeping Beauty WORK_OF_ART, after what's happening, it makes me feel heartbroken. I grew up adoring Ashman and Manchin PERSON. Yeah, I mean, Howard Ashman PERSON, you know, I don't think, you know, when I think of the Disney Renaissance, I think of Howard Ashman PERSON. His lyrics were incredible.Alan Macon PERSON as well. And gay man. They hired a gay man who created the greatest songs out of Disney ORG.

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All right.

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And then lastly from MK Solid 82 for 499. Apparently Lucas saw the doc, The People versus George Lucas, that Lucas that Chris PERSON started and he got really mad it most likely contributed to the Disney sale and one one more super chat here from Aaron Charman for 20 British pounds Disney ORG is self-cannibalizing they're mining their old IPs and the other IPs they've obtained to death. They delve too greedily and too deep.I kind of liken it to the Borg PERSON.

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They just grabbed the idea and folded it within the company and it lost its soul. Each of these properties lost their soul for the greater collective.

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Super Chats keep coming in From Simba Leslie Chato

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for, I remember what that was. I can't remember right now. 35 ZAR MONEY. People don't care about cinema here in Cape Down, South Africa GPE.I think it's South African currency.

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People don't care about cinema here in Cape down,

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South Africa GPE. Movies are expensive here and bad reviews affect attendance. Absolutely. You know, again, you make a movie expecting us to spend our money on it. It's kind of the other way around. You want to make a movie that will make us want to spend money on it.

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And that's where you lose everything. And then from Andrew Kram, five gifted memberships.

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Thank you so much for that. If you get it, be sure to join us on Discord PRODUCT and check out the member channel as well. Okay, speaking of bad things Disney ORG is doing, I'm pulling this from our friends at that park place

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and Lorena Creel PERSON as well. But, yeah, I believe in May or coming up soon, Tiana's Bayou Adventure FAC is opening at Walt Disney World ORG. Disney Parks here says let's see if I can read that. We are thrilled toshare Spichmann PERSON. Oh, this is the old this is the old artist concepts of Tiana's Bayou Adventure FAC. Doesn't it look pretty

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good? Yeah, I mean it looks pretty I know. Look at that. Look at that look the good? Yeah, I mean, it looks pretty. I know.

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Look, look at that. Look, the mountain may be a little bit smaller, but you have this beautiful tree above it. And then it's surrounded by the bayou. I mean, this feels like New Orleans GPE to me. I'm pretty impressed with what they've done here.Yeah.

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So you're saying, yeah, it looks pretty good, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. All right. And, of course, what happened was, yeah, here we go. So there's the original Splash Mountain FAC. This is the Disneyland FAC one.Why? Because as the greatest seats ever, it's the date seats there, the single row. But, you know, I remember when this opened at Disneyland FAC. I was there during its soft opening. It was a really great ride. For me, it was seeing the old America GPE's scenes characters in it. And then finally. It was a really great ride. For me, it was seeing the oldAmerica GPE's scenes characters in it. And then finally, we have a flume ride, a log ride at Disneyland FAC, and loved it. So, in just a few months, Disney ORG fans out there will beable to experience the brand new Tiana's Bayou Adventure FAC. Look at that. Isn't that great?

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This looks like something you would see in like a parody film about Disney ORG. Like this looks like that one movie that Johnny, Johnny Knoxville did, like, Danger Park WORK_OF_ART. Like this looks like something like that where like the people are going to come shooting out in a log And like fly off the edge This is so bad

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I know let's let's remind ourselves Here's the Here's the original artwork I mean that's

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Yeah that would have been magical You're like ooh look we're down in the bayou That's beautiful. Nope sorry guys we're in the landfill It wasn't a bayou it was a yeah it was a landfill

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it was yeah i mean this was this is where your septic waste goes at the end of the day i know it's like the fungus is just growing all over this uh this hillside

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uh how do you mess up that badly it's a kudzu on a on steroids here.

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Yeah, I mean, it's,

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this just gets back to, again, the gaslighting that Disney ORG gives us.

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And this is specific to this era of Disney ORG, the Iger era of Disney ORG, because, you know, you knew that they wanted to get rid of Song of the South WORK_OF_ART and anything that had anything to do with it.

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And so they sold us on this image of, you know, Tiana PERSON, Tiana is a great movie.

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My daughter is next to Tangled, Princess of the Frog WORK_OF_ART was my daughter's favorite Disney

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movie at that time. You know, she still listens, makes me listen to the Frog was my daughter's favorite Disney ORG movie at that time.

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You know, she still listens, makes me listen to the soundtrack in my car on long trips. You know, it's not that they weren't beloved characters. They were beloved characters. But it was, and they sell us on this, and they give us that. And it speaks to me, you know, clearly, A, they didn't know how to transform the original ride Because there's no way that they were going to rebuild this rideSo they took what was existing there Put the You know, unlike Disneyland Where they put the Nightmare for Christmas overlay over the ride This is the Princess and the Frog overlay And it looks horrible

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Because they don't know what they're

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doing you know the i think uh the folks over at that park place describe it as this is a hobby lobby uh decorations yeah they bought it in bulk and um and the point i want to make here is one of the things that's missing from disney PERSON has been missing from a for a very long time is this idea of excellence. You know, there was a time where you would go to the park and you would walk into the world of whatever. You know, you walk into the future at Tomorrowland FAC.You would walk into the western of Frontierland FAC. You go to Tune Town and you're walking into the land where Mickey and Minnie live. You know, and people spend a lot of money, a lot of time and a lot of effort to make it look like those, those things to give us that experience.Yeah. And that is gone. You know, if you go over to that park place, I'll keep pushing their side because they're good to us and we've been good to them and we're kind of on the same team here. But they'll go over just the lack of the lack of excellence that is missing throughout the entire park.The excellence is missing throughout the entire park where even lights in the sidewalks don't work. And so you're seeing this lack of care, uh, from the studio and their movies, uh, now being transferred to the theme park, which of course, the theme park was where the money was coming from. And they can't even get that right. Um, you know, you brought up, uh, Galaxy's Edge PRODUCT. Chris did an entire series on the problem with Galaxy's Edge. Yeah.

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And then, yeah, yeah.

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It's awful.

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And I think that what you said, that, that, that drive for excellence is, is huge. And for you to not have that as a company shows you that there's something like fundamentally wrong with your, you as a company. You know, like you're, you should always, you know like you're you should always you know it's one thing to say hey we tried really hard and things didn't work out but the thing is when we

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know when you're the biggest dog on campus when you're the biggest company in the world and

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you own all these IPs and all these concepts and stuff we all expect that you are going to put into these the amount of effort and time that we think is deserving of those IPs and it's obvious that they're not and now you know they're they're doing it to them their own products be one thing if this was like you know with galactic star cruiser maybe does he never really i'm using this as an excuse but like maybe dis Disney never really fully bought into Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. Maybe Bob Iger wasn't a big Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fan. Maybe Kathleen Kennedy doesn't even really believe in Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. And so they're just investing a little bit here. And they're just kind of like letting it just exist on its own.But like Princess and the Frog is a Disney ORG property. You should believe in this. And you should invest all the time and effort and money that you can into this to make it look excellent and prove to people listen what you've lost is not as good as what we're about to give you but instead it's like they're just gutting everything that they have to talk about how problematic it is and they're not replacing with anything of any merit or substance or quality and even like you know you said like strange new world anytime they come up with an original idea,it's completely bankrupt.

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There's no creativity in it. It's just to push another agenda or another concept of people. It's, and it's really sad. Yeah.You know, I'll keep bringing up, I'll bring up Michael Eisner PERSON again. You know, yeah, he was driven by money.And the way he knew to make money was to entertain people.

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And quite frankly, that was Walt Disney ORG. I think Eisner PERSON was just a little more evil about it. But nonetheless, you know, from Eisner came Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King WORK_OF_ART.

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You know, he has a success record. You know, he knew that money came from creativity. While now, you know, we has a success record. You know, he knew that money came from creativity. While now, you know, we've said it again, or you said it, where money comes from the IP, the cash cow that they just bought.

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You know, these money-making machines.

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And all they have to do is keep recreating the money-making machine and it'll just make more money. And creativity is just not in there anymore. And they hire people who just who have no concern for excellence. Instead they have

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concern for some kind of activism.

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Like we need to tell stories about this. Our stories need to look. The characters in our stories need to look like this. You know, the fact that's that now I just watched the Tales of the Empire WORK_OF_ART. And you know, if fact that's that now, well, I just watched the tales of the empire.And, you know, if you're honestly, Chris, Chris Gores PERSON said it. If you're honestly going to bank Star Wars WORK_OF_ART as a girl's brand, you're going to lose money. And, you know, Disney ORG has entertained girls in the past with the princesses.

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You know, why do you have to make everything that way yeah you you dis dis disney PERSON has always been multifaceted and be able to appeal to a broad range of people across the spectrum on what works and what is good and what isn't like you know if you if you argue that uh the little mermaid is a girl's movie, then the Lion King WORK_OF_ART is a boys movie. You know, if you argue, you know, that Aladdin is a boys movie. Like, there's always been a balance to everything. And I remember at one point, and this was, oh, my gosh, this was a few, this might have been, I don't know, a decade ago.I remember there was a whole conversation that Disney ORG had and brought forth about how they were going, they were losing, their projects weren't doing as well as they wanted them to, and they were going to put an emphasis on making movies for young boys. And they wanted to put an emphasis on that. I remember it started with, I think it was Mars Needs Moms WORK_OF_ART.

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I think it was a Disney ORG brand movie. Yeah, that was a good game.

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Yeah, it kind of flopped. And,

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like, the idea now of like boy brands or movies for boys are like, it's okay to feel sensitive and it's okay to have feelings. And it's like, that has never been an issue. But boy, like, a young boy doesn't want to watch a movie where somebody's screaming at him to cry. Like, he wants to watch a movie where like the good guy fights a bad guy and there's a giant explosion in the background. Like, and it's funny because like I went back and recently started rewatching the old MCU ORG movies with my son. And he loves just about everything that was before Infinity War WORK_OF_ART.Like there are some movies. He's like, I'm not as interested in this. But for the most part, he likes those movies because there's a lot of action. There's a lot of drive in them. They're not preachy. They're not arguing with people. like a lot of the new stuff he has no interest in he

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gets bored he gets up he walks away things like that because he he can tell the difference he can see it

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you know he can and the you know the other part of it is like we're also seeing it with some of these newer movies he'll watch these newer movies and there's no there's nothing interesting it's just about like a bunch of people sitting around talking about their feelings and talking about why other people not talking about their feelings is bad and it's like he's like i'm not this isn't funny i don't find this entertaining i don't find anything fun about this and it's really sad to see and it's very frustrating as a father to watch this because i'm like okay i guess all we have to go on now is the stuff that we had before. And so when he's like, hey, you want to watch this with me?

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I'm like, buddy, I don't think that that's going to be worth our time.

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And he doesn't understand that.

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But I'm like, you're not going to enjoy this movie. Let's go back and watch something that I know you'll like because that's all we really have right now.

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Because a lot of the new stuff isn't good anymore.

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So, yeah, I mean, I'll tell you that, you know, be, see, being able to see as many movies as I can or I have is a privilege of what I do.

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And the other privilege is me being able to take my daughter with me.

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And she has now gotten to the point of, it doesn't, you know, hey, there's a screening of this coming up. For example, next Wednesday I'm seeing Furiosa PERSON. She has no interest in seeing that. And that is the comment I'm getting a lot nowadays of, hey, do you want to go to this screening? Do you want to see the fall guy with me? I have no interest in seeing that.And I will say that not that she represents all teens out there, but I have a feeling they're not that atypical, but they're just not into movies anymore. And I have to believe a lot of it has to do with the fact that they don't care about these stories. You know, the Marvels ORG.The classic one was, are you going to see the Marvels ORG? Are your friends going to see the Marvels ORG? And she says, no, we saw the trailer and it sucked. And that's why they didn't see the Marvels ORG. Wow.

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The very audience.

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By the way, thank you to the, let's see, we're looking at 2,000, oh, sorry, 2,200 people watching

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Thank you for joining us. Be sure to hit the like, subscribe, bell for notifications, follow us on Rumble PRODUCT, and I don't know what X, what you do on X, but whatever positive vibe you can give us on X, that would be great.

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And yeah, let's go to comments here. Almost hit the wrong button.

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All right, here we go. From Solomon Thornton PERSON. If they sell crawfish, I'm going.

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Oh, yeah, that's, Giannis Bayou Adventure. I'd go for that. Oh, yeah. That's... There's a... Deano's Bayou Adventure ORG.

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I'd go for that. Castigan PERSON, the Purple Menace. From Larry PERSON, Larry. Swamphing Art ORG, L.O.L. Yeah. Davina Duckworth.Asteris. I don't know what that is. Why did we start that one? Jay Price PERSON. There are no mountains in the bayou. There is one now. DeVina Duckworth PERSON,it's a log, all right. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Why did, okay, not right. From Super Mayor Eo, looks like Shrex ORG, you know what.Looks like Shrex ORG, you know what. Yeah. Brock Sampsonite Action Park ORG. Yeah. I meanampsonite Action Park ORG. Yeah. I mean, Disney could become Action Park at any moment now. K.G. Jung, I've seen trash dumps in Florida GPE that were more impressive.KG. Jung also says the $200 million virtue signal, the ride. Yeah.

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I mean, you know, it had the problem right from the start when they,

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when they needed to get rid of Song of the South WORK_OF_ART. Yeah.

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It's very, yeah.

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In fact, here's the comment from Torvitticus PERSON. It stood up disappointing. Song of the South was my favorite, most of my first Disney ORG film in theaters. So Splash Mountain FAC getting scrapped hurts, but they couldn't even deliver on a new vision. That's the thing is you take something that's great and you replace it with something worse. Another example at Disney World is Alien Encounter PRODUCT. Alien Encounter was a greatride. It scared the hell out of children, but it was a great ride and then they ruined it by

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putting stitch in it. Never forgiven for that.

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I'm from Managian GPE, Man, Mad, Madiac, uh, FJB. I have no idea what that means. That's for $2. Thank you. Do you know what that means?

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I have no idea what that means. Do I need to look this up?

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Hold on. Give me F. Am I going to regret looking it up? Maybe.

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Uh, here we go.

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Oh, okay. I see what it is. Maybe. Here we go. Oh, okay.

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I see what it is. Yeah.

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Oh, is it a, is it political?

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Yeah, let's go random, basically. It's the.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh, yes.

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Okay, I get it. Because that goes to his next comment for $5. Thank you for that mega. Here we go from Christopher Peak PERSON. Disney Imagineers today don't have an imagination. Yeah.Oh, man. I mean, the other thing is, it seems like imagining these days break down more. Yeah.

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There's stuff is just breaking down. And from Tater, my landscaping company could have done a better job with that than with just two weeks of work.

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Very good.

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I actually, like, just as a thing there, I don't disagree. I think you're absolutely right. There are people out there, unfortunately, that have the talent and the skill and the drive to make this company profitable and to get back to making great stuff.

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And Disney ORG has no idea how to do that anymore. Yeah. I mean, from the Defiles ORG, you know, there was an entire animation department that was dedicated to keeping the Disney ORG tradition going.

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And in the second part, we talked about Ryan and the Last Dragon, the first movie that

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was taken out of the hands of John Laster PERSON and his team and then completely replaced. And from what I was told, I can't go into details, but the original story, Raya WORK_OF_ART, was pretty amazing. And it was written by Adele Lim who wrote Crazy Rich Asians WORK_OF_ART, the screenplay. Wow.

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And it was an incredible story, and they scrapped it. And they started right off the bat putting in DEI ORG stipulations.

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And, you know, what came out was not a movie that was excellent in Disney ORG standards.

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But for that, for the most part, it was a, it was a downgraded, okay movie that performed

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moderately well during the pandemic.

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Yeah.

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So that was the problem that it had.

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And it just got worse from there. All right. Here, let's pivot now.

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Say my name.

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You're Chris Gore PERSON. You're goddamn right. All right. So we have a, we have one more topic we want to talk about before our guest comes. And it,let me present the screen here. Okay. Of course, we have the lovely Brie Larson as Captain Marvel PERSON.

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For Variety Magazine ORG,

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Disney is overhauling MCU ORG output with a new mission to drop the number of Marvel movies to at most three a year and the number of series to two a year.

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Well, we're slowly going to decrease volume and we're working hard on what the path is, says Bob Iger, adding that Marvel had has a couple of good films in 2025. Don't know what they are. And then they're heading to more Avengers WORK_OF_ART, which we're extremely excited about. Overall, I feel great about the slate. It's something, as you know, that I've committed to spending more and more time on.The team is one that I have tremendous confidence in and the IP that we're mining, the IP that we're mining, including all the sequels that we're doing is second to none. Yeah. Mike, what are your thoughts about this?

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Well, I mean, I thought that that's kind of what they were doing already. I think this is like the third or fourth time that Bob Iger PERSON has said, hey, so we're decreasing the output. Obviously, it's been quantity, but we need to focus on quality. I'm like, so two things. That proves that everyone that said that you were putting out quantity over quality was right.All the people that you were lying to and gaslighting saying, no, we've always been dedicated to making good stuff. We're just making less of it right now. Everybody was right. And you only do this if you're lying to and gaslighted and saying no we've always been dedicated to making good stuff we're just making less of it right now everybody was right and you only do this if you're starting to lose money so that's another reason to like look at this and go the writing's on the wall um but the other part of it is like what what happened to this super exciting awesome multiverse project that they totally had planned out that they were like no no no we know exactly where we want to go and what we want to do and all this stuff they don't haveanything that they talk about that they're excited for anymore like it just kind of feels like at

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this point they're just throwing things out there like yeah you know I guess we're doing a uh

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i guess we're doing a captain america movie now you know and then then they're like, oh, man, now we have like rumors. Oh, could Robert Duny Jr. PERSON come back? Oh, man, maybe we'll get Chris Evans PERSON to come back too. And it's like, yeah, but you guys don't need any of that. Like, you never did. But like, the fact is, like, it's obvious at this point now that everybody that criticized you was correct, that everybody that said you were doing too much, that it didn't make any sense that you were just pumping outand churning out stuff, that it was getting overwhelming for a lot of people, because I know people that go, I don't even know what, I don't even know what Marvel ORG movies out anymore. I don't even know which one to go see,which one's showing anymore. I used to know. I don't even know what's coming out anymore half the time

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because it was so much.

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But for them to say, like, yeah, we're only going to do like at most two to three a year three marvel WORK_OF_ART movies in a year is still a lot of fucking movies and two shows a year is still a lot of shows because they're supposed to be all connected and all working on each other and if you didn't watch loki you have no idea why kang is around you know like i don't know it's just a mess that and they and they it feels like this issupposed to be a good thing but it feels like they're just saying hey we're going to keep doing the same stuff we've been doing we just won't triple down on making more of it we'll just stick with

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what we were already doing and i think that's a really weird cope for them what i found amazing was uh that first part there uh they're going to drop the number to at most three CARDINAL a year. How many movies per year was Marvel producing prior to Endgame and InVinney War WORK_OF_ART per year?

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I think they were making two to three.

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It was just two.

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It used to be one and they bumped it to two.

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So by the time Endgame came along, it was two.

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I believe that year we got three with

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Endgame, Spider-Man PERSON, and Black Widow PERSON. I think that was the first

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three years. And then after that, it was three

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a year. Last year we got three. We got Guardians, Ant-Man PERSON, and the Marvels ORG. So, I mean, you can't drop a number that hits the max you've been doing all year.And then to two a year, you wish they had produced some good ones to finally go over it.

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I mean, you know, at best you go to Netflix and when you had Daredevil WORK_OF_ART and another series.

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They produced quite a bit, and they were quality for the most part up front. So again, this is Bob Eiger. This is politician Bob PERSON. He's speaking to shareholders who don't know anything about the products that Disney ORG puts out because a lot of these shareholders are your hedge funds. I'm not the one to talk about business, but lot of these shareholders are your, you know, hedge funds. And, you know, I'm not the one to talk about business, but it's,most of the shareholders are, you know, are investment companies and not people. And so he's speaking to these people who don't care about about this. And so you just feel that. And, you know, the more I think about what's coming out of, you know, there's one way to save Disney at this moment. There's one way Bob Eiger can save Disney ORG. And this is how it is. And we talk about it all the time, but it's authenticity.Tell us where you screwed up. You know, just come up and say, look, let's be real. Over the last few years, we've made mistakes with Marvel ORG.

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You know, we went to characters after the great success we had with end game.

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And we went to characters and stories that you're just not familiar with. You know, uh, Shang Ti PERSON. I know you don't know who Shang Chi PERSON was, but we made a comic book that none of you watched. A Ms. Marvel ORG, you know, uh, you know, not only did we, uh, take a comic book character that, that's relatively new and, uh, and then change her powers on you. Yeah.

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That was a mistake.

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You know, not focusing on story was a mistake.

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Focusing too much on diversity was a mistake. That's what, you know, to me, that's what's sorely missing, not only in entertainment, but in the world in general, is no one's willing

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to admit a mistake, politics

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for crying out loud. No one can ever admit a mistake in politics. And I think we as people are starting to get wise to that. And I'm frustrated as hell. Andyou know, I just want someone to admit a mistake.

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Is that so much to ask?

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I, I don't think it is at this point. I mean, here's the thing. Admitting a mistake means that you're, one, you're going to correct your behavior. And it, two, it means that the, the path you were on was on the correct one. And I don't think that that that's where it's really difficult is like, I don't think that these people can admit that they're wrong because it's, it's become akin to like a religious belief at this point.Well, no, we're on the right track. We're making the right choices. We're making the world a better place. This is important. And so, like, you can never, we can never admit that this crusade that we're on is wrong and destructive and damaging our brand and stuff.And I also think that this is the other part of it that is really important like you said Disney ORG is no longer beholden to their customers they're beholden to their shareholders and if these hedge funds and these companies that invest in them don't even watch the product that they're pumping out then they have then all they see is Disney ORG shuffling numbers. All they see is numbers. And

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it, you know, it would be one thing. It's like, because if you actually let somebody that watches

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your product, look at it and has a stake in your company and says, why are your movies so bad? Like, what's going on with these? Like, why is the quality of your stuff so bad right now? What's going on? But if they're not watching the stuff, then all they see is numbers in Disney line to them about numbers and saying, oh, no, I know it looks like this to you guys, but we promise it'll be this or it'll be that. And the reality is, like, we're the people that make their company profitable. If we don't go see your movies, you lose money. If we don't go to your parks, you lose money.If you don't buy your merch, you lose money. And it's like, it does, at some point that money stops coming in, like, you know,

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and I just don't understand why they can't, like you said,

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why they can't admit wrongdoing unless there is something going on behind the scenes that we're not seeing that they, that is that is justifying to them that they're on the right track,

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whether it's,

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you know, go ahead. Yeah,

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the chat is bringing up like ESG and BlackRock ORG and all these, uh, you know, these loans and stuff. Um, you know, go ahead. Yeah, the chat is bringing up like ESG and BlackRock and all these, you know, these loans and stuff. You know, it's, I'll be honest, I'm not an expert in these things in terms of the workings of financing in the big studio system. But I do know, yeah, they're taking loans out to make these movies.And when a movie loses $150 million, you know, at some point, the credit card's going to run out. Not only is the credit card going to run out, but then they're going to want their money back. Yeah.

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Unless the conversation is, and this is as a gamer, this has been happening in gaming, you know, recently with DEI and a lot of these DEI consultants and BlackRock ORG being behind some of these DEI ORG consultants and stuff. If your largest investors are saying to you, hey, we will keep giving you money and we know that right now it doesn't seem like this is

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working for you, but we'll keep giving you the loans, we'll keep giving you the money that you need, just stay the course. And that's all they compare it to people is we just have to stay the course. Then maybe that's what's driving these companies. I don't know.

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I can't say for sure because I'm not doing, I'm not in privy to these deals. But here's, that's the thing.

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If you, you know, Alan PERSON, if you start a company and somebody goes, I'll invest in your company and give you all the money you need. And you go, cool. Oh, I failed at my business venture. And they go, don't worry about it, Alan PERSON. I'll give you more money. Don't worry about paying me back. Just stay the course.

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This will work eventually. We promise you're changing the world or you're making things better. You're doing the right thing. You know, then maybe that's where they're at right now and maybe that's why they're not worried because any other company in the world that I can think of that exists this way goes under when you stop making profit and goes

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under when you start losing money hand over fist and it's not to invest in some infrastructure that's going to carry you forward in the future you know so I don't understand it yeah yeah

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it just baffles me I mean look there's making a movie for $200 million is very different than making a movie for $2 million.

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Yes, it is.

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And sometimes having too much money makes you lazy.

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Lazy in the, you know, makes you frivolous in the way you spend your money and lazy in your creativity and telling that story.

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Versus $2 million where you have to scrap and scrape

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and to be

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innovative to get the shot you want or to get the stunt you want or the special effect that you want or even to tell the story that you want. There's something about a passionate filmmaker that has to struggle to make a filmthat's different than a filmmaker who's given the unlimited credit card to tell the story that they want. And we're seeing it. who's given, you know, the unlimited credit card to tell

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the story that they want. And we're seeing it. And this is, you know, this is the epidemic problem that's going across the big studios and why we're not getting movies that will draw

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people in. And why good movies, you know, look, we said the fall guy was a good movie, but it's the state that the industry is in that's keeping most people from wanting to see it, wanting to make it a success.

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Yeah, the right-the-ship moment would be, okay, and these movies aren't making as much money as we hope they would, but the audience feedback has been positive. So let's go back to making mid-range, mid-budget movies

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and lower-budget movies that are focused on quality.

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And maybe we'll start to see a return on that because it'll draw people back into seeing films again. That's what your answer should be. But instead, like you said, they're just like,

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let's just spend another $200 million on a film.

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And I have said this before many times, and I've learned a lot working the independent scene. And I'm still new. We're still a very small, young company. But I have learned a lot and hear from so many people in the industry, from actors to directors of photography to special effects people.

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They're like, I would work for so much less if it meant I got to work on something that meant something to me I got to if it meant I got to work on a project that was actually creative and innovative and trying there are so many people in the company in the industry that will say hey man or used to work in the industry because that's another thing that's a whole other untapped market people used to work in the industry go you know what

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i would come back to work if it meant that i was working on a project that had a bunch of people that were hungry to make good films again you know and we've run into that ourselves where people go oh my gosh we're just excited to see you guys trying to put out something quality even if you don't have very much money we'll help we'll figure it out we've had you know animation studios talk

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to us or we've talked to animation studios about projects that we're trying to work on and say, yeah, we would cut your deals on things if it meant that we could work on a cool project with you guys. They want to see good movies happen. People in the industry want to work on creative projects again. That's why they get into it. They're not doing it to, it's not just to make money. It's also to make something

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that they can be proud of and excited about it at the end of the day. And that's not what's happening in these massive companies.

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Well, ironically, if someone's going to give you $200 million to make a movie, your vision is gone because they don't care about your vision.

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They care about that you're going to get that $2 million back.

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And they so not believe in your vision

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that they will tell you what you're doing wrong and they will take your vision away from you. And they so not believe in your vision that they will tell you what you're

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doing wrong and they will take your vision away from you. And ultimately make the story that they

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think will earn that $200 million back. And so working for Hollywood GPE nowadays, you know, unless you're

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Christopher Nolan PERSON, you know, your vision is not your vision. And you don't have that kind of

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carte blanche. And again, that's why Hollywood GPE is not the dream. And you don't have that kind of carte blanche.

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And again, that's why Hollywood GPE is not the dream.

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All right. So let's go to your comments real quick. And then we have our guests coming up. From Ken Duel, gifted five film threatened memberships. Thank you very much. Thank you for that, for your support. T.T.Two movies a year is still too many for them. Yeah, talking about Marvel ORG there. All new, all different, all lame, and Gay Avengers WORK_OF_ART. Okay.

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From Rebel ORG, never forget. No one pays to see Marvel ORG movie. No one who pays to see Marvel ORG movies is interested in the Chevengers ORG.

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Yeah, the new Chevengers ORG movie. All right.

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From Flav ORG, Deadpool WORK_OF_ART will carry them through some of this year, then they're screwed. Let's see. Let me,let's see. From A.A. From A.A. Ron, Disney ORG, we shot ourselves in one foot now. We shot ourselves in one foot. now we'll shoot the other. Let's see.Yeah. We're getting a little eschatological here. From Flav, Disney ORG, we hear you. We've taken a modium, and now instead of diarrhea, just a few solid stools a year.

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Yeah, there you go.

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That's a great way to look at it.

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From Mediac PERSON, this isn't about the scripts or the stories.

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This is about left versus right. Look, you know, Mediac PERSON, I appreciate the direction you're taking things. I will say this. It's, you can make good movies that you don't agree with. You can make good movies that you don't agree with. You can make good movies that audience may not agree with. You can make activist movies even.There are ways, nuanced ways of telling stories from your perspective to get your message across, get your passionate message across. But what we've lost recently is the ability to tell a story creatively and not make it feel like a lecture, but to actually tell a story that makes you think.

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Whether you agree with it or not, if it makes you think, then it's succeeded, regardless of where the politics come from. But when it becomes that lecture, when it becomes quote unquote woke, that's the problem because no one wants to sit there in the theater, spend $20 on a ticket to be lectured to and to be shamed for being who you are.

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And I would say this, just as aside with politics, we work with a lot of people on a lot of different political spectrums. And we have conversations with people that come onto our team because like we all were like, listen, politics don't matter to us. You know, some of us are very conservative. Some of us are Trump PERSON supporters. Some of us are Trump supporters. Some of us are very apolitical. Whatever the spectrum is, we tell people, if that's going to be a problem for you, it'sokay for you to leave. We're not going to fire you over your politics, but it's okay. But if politics is so important to you, you can't work with us. We want you to know what you're getting into before you do. And we've had a couple people say, okay, cool, thanks. I don't really want to work with you guys.Most people say, you know what? I don't care. We probably don't agree. We probably don't vote for the same person. At the end of the day, we just want to make a really good movie, and that's what matters to us, and that's what we want to do. And so like politics doesn't factor into it.And that's the rare thing. That's what's missing from the things. And the other part of it is, and I know Alan PERSON will agree with this, there's a reason, and we've used this conversationin Epic verse 2 is a lot, there's a reason Jesus PERSON told parables. Because, like, it's one thing to preach to an audience, here's the lesson you have to learn. And it's another thing to tell a story to somebody,and that person enjoys that story, and they think on that story, and they digest that story. And now, once they get the point of the story story once they've came up with their own interpretation that's that idea because they've fostered that idea versus me telling somebody this is the thing you have to do and this is how it is and they can only speculate on whether that's the truth if i tell a child that the stove is hot and not to touch it they just have to go on the fact that they trust that I'm an authority on that situation. But if they touch the stove and learn that it's hot for themselves,they'll never touch it again. And that's part of what storytelling is, is you feed an idea and let people come to their own conclusions. And then those ideas will last far longer than being told what they're supposed to feel on it. That's what actually builds nostalgia too. So, yeah.

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The greatest example I have is Star Trek WORK_OF_ART.

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I probably disagreed with maybe 25 to 30% of Star Trek WORK_OF_ART.

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But I still love Star Trek WORK_OF_ART. And Star Trek WORK_OF_ART made me think, maybe rethink my positions. You know, it's possible to get that out there. Last super chat, we'll get to the rest after the interview, but this is from Brock Samson-I-for-10. Thank you.This is to Gore Chris's PERSON medical bills.

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I'm sure Chris PERSON appreciates that.

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Okay, let's pivot here for a second.

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We have a guest, and I just need to make sure.

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Okay, deselect, there we go. And let's... You can read these questions if you can't see them.

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Hi, Dan PERSON. How you doing?

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Hey, Alan PERSON, how are you?

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Good.

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Hey, it's great to have you on.

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I know you have a movie to promote, but also I want to talk to you about slam dance.

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Yeah.

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It's over, but let me get you in the proper position here. Dan, you're here to talk about 18 and a half DATE. The movie came out a while ago, but it's on DVD now, or is it?

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Yes, it's on DVD now. DVD.

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You send me the making of DVD, which is one of the things I want to talk about.

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And the making of DVD is actually longer than the movie itself. Right, yeah, yeah, the making of documentary, which is on the DVD. But yes, it is like all good making of docs. It is a half hour longer TIME than the film itself.

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Yeah. So tell us about 18.5 CARDINAL and then I want to talk about the making of because there's some interesting. Sure.

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So, yes, 18 and a half is a Watergate comedy thriller about a young woman in the Nixon PERSON White House who gets a hold of the missing 18 and a gap in the Watergate EVENT tapes. And she tries to leak it to a reporter, and then naturally they run a foul of hippie swingers and nefarious people out to get them. So it's a fun movie.It's got, it stars Willa Fitzgerald and John McGarrow PERSON, Richard Kind, Vonny Curtis Hall PERSON, Kathy Curtin PERSON. It's got naturally Bruce Campbell as the voice of Nixon and Ted Ramey as one of the other voices.

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And John Cryer as the voice of Alderman PERSON.

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And yeah, it's just a lot of fun. And a cameo by Lloyd Kaufman from Troma ORG because why not?

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Literally, he insisted.

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So it's a fun movie and we, you know, we shot it. We started shooting March 3rd, 2020. What could possibly go wrong in March of 2020? And of course, there was a global pandemic that hit on our 11th day DATE. So we had to shut down for six months. So we took this six-month healthy hiatusand then came back and shot the rest of it once all the protocols came into place. So our making of kind of goes into a lot of what was going on, like as the pandemic was hitting, you know, a little indie film trying to make a movie. But anyway, but as you know, the film then played at about 25 festivals, including one that you were on the jury of. And, yeah, thanks for that big award there, Alan PERSON.

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Oh, appreciate it.

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Yeah, I mean, it's this, this is a testament.

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I mean, you've been fairly prolific when it comes to indie films.

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And is this one of the biggest ones you've done in terms of success? In terms of success, yeah. I think it's my most successful creatively but also commercially. Because then we went on to do a 60 city theatrical release starting in 2022, I think, around then. And then it played on star. it's been playing on stars regularly. And then we also sold it to 11 airlines around the world.Unlike every continent around the world, there's someone who's flying around watching the movie. And then this DVD deal. And as of today, the DVD has sold to 300 public libraries all across America GPE in almost every state, which is a weird market. I didn't even know existed until about two weeks ago.

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So it's cool.

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Yeah, let me talk about the DVD and the two-hour making of because I think, for me personally, it was like this is is, this making of is rich in resources for a community filmmaker.

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Yeah.

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You guys definitely went through a lot.

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One of the things I want to ask you that's brought up in the DVD, but it's the, it was your Kickstarter, your crowdfunding tactics.

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Because you did something that I didn't think, you know,

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I kind of think of these crowd funders as you're funding the entire movie, but, but you kind of

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approached it from using it to get the, get over that first hurdle. And can you talk about that?

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I always say it's, you know, it's Kickstarter, not kick finisher. You should really

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only try to, you know, if you can raise 10 or 15% of your budget that way, that's great. And then I kind of use it, and this particular campaign we did on Seed and Spark, but I've used Kickstarter on other campaigns. It's about the same. But really, it's kind of a Trojan horse to try to raise bigger amounts of money. You know, I always say like, you know, your old bass player buddy from college, Dave, gives you

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40 bucks.

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But then he puts the goofy picture of Nixon and him Photoshopped as Elvis PERSON on his Facebook page. And then his, you know, brother-in-law, the Silicon Valley LOC investor, says, that's cool. I'll give you $10,000, you know, as an equity investor or something like that. And, you know, and then you get like 300 people, you know, as an equity investor or something like that. And, you know, and then you get like 300 people, you know, on your team. And then they've got suggestions and ideas for moremoney. So it's really, you know, I think when you're doing a feature, you know, with a short, you can maybe raise your whole budget through crowdfunding. But for a feature, if you can just raise that small percentage, that nugget, it's really the people getting involved that are the real resource and an advantage to it. And that's kind of how you get that momentum. I always say the

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hardest person to convince that you're making a movie is yourself. And once you've gone through

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a crowdfunding campaign, you know, it's, then you're now sort of morally obligated to all these

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people to actually finish making the movie or start making the movie. And so it's, it's more of a psychological thing than a financial thing. But, you know, and then have fun with it, too. That's the other thing, too, which is some people, you know, approach these things as, oh, my God,

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what a drag. I've got to ask for money. But if you're having fun and we were doing, you know, we were putting people's names in Nixon PERSON audio tapes,

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and they were posting those on Instagram ORG.

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And, you know, we were having fun with the whole process. And which in a weird way did kind of influence kind of how we made the movie and the tone and the scope of the film. It felt. Yeah. And then you brought the pandemic. I believe in the documentary it the film. Yeah, and then you brought up the pandemic. I believe in the documentary it said you were four days away from finishing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And you had to shut down.

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Exactly, yeah.

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And we had just found out that we were pretty much the last film shooting in North America LOC. And we were like, oh, my God, what does everyone else know that we don't know? Because we were pretty isolated. We were shooting on the tip of Long Island at my friend Terry PERSON's motel, and it was, you know, three hours from New York City GPE. So we weren't really sure what was going on in the rest of the world.

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And then, yeah, and then we realized, oh, yeah, we got to shut down. That's weird.

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You guys were essentially you were in a bubble and you didn't even know.

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Yeah, we didn't even know.

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We didn't know.

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Yeah, that term hadn't quite, you know, been invented yet for what we were doing. But, but yeah, I mean, we were pretty safe. It was pretty much of a bubble, but it was, you know,

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but that we knew we couldn't have gone that extra four days because we had a lot more cast coming in for those last four days DATE for the schedule.

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And it was just getting too complicated to bring people out.

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But then what happened was like a third of our crew, Terry PERSON said,

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hey, if you guys want to stay at this motel, no one else is coming. So why don't you guys just stay here? And these were all like the single Brooklyn GPE hipster types. And if you remember at the beginning pandemic, you know, New York, New York City GPE was kind of the epicenter in the U.S. GPE anyway. And so they were like, yeah, we don't want to go back to New York. So a third of them stayed there for like over two months. And my DP, L. Schneider PERSON,she stayed for six months. I think she's still there. I don't know. I haven't seen her since. You know, some of us with, you know, families, we, we had to come home. But, um, but yeah, but they all stayed and kind of created their own little weird artist and residency program because they still had the camera because we never got a chance to return the camera either. Oh yeah, that's right.

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You had all the equipment and couldn't turn.

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Yeah. So they were shooting shorts.

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They were shooting music videos. They were having a blast and eating all of our leftover product placement, Omaha steaks, too.

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That's how they survived. Otherwise, it would have eaten the key grip. Yeah.

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And then also, what was it?

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You know, I mean, how much sweating were you doing?

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How long was it until you could finish shooting?

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It was six.

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You know, it was six points.

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You know, it was six months that we took a break. And then we were one of the first films that was kind of back in production using the SAG and DGA protocols, masks and shields and all that. But, you know, but I think what really helped was that about two months into the pandemic, so really, you know, the heart of it in like May or June of that year DATE, we realized that one of the things we were going to do in post-production, we could do then,which was record the 18-a-half-minute TIME gap because it was all audio anyway. So it was about an 18-5 minute TIME little mini radio play kind of within the thing. And, you know, Bruce Campbell, he was in Oregon GPE. John Cryer PERSON was in L.A. Ted was kind of stuck in Canada with some new girlfriend Campbell, he was in Oregon. John Cryer was in L.A. Ted was kind of stuck in Canada GPE with some new girlfriend, but he was stuck there. And a couple of them had decent microphones.We're like, you know what? There's this new thing called Zoom PRODUCT. Why don't we just do it over Zoom PRODUCT? And they were all like, yeah, because actors were sitting around with nothing to do. They couldn't, you know, they weren't acting. And it was great.So we did it over two days. We, you know, recorded them over Zoom PRODUCT. To this day, I've never met Bruce PERSON in person. I've met him on Zoom PRODUCT.

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But it was really exciting because, like, at a time when the whole creative world had shut down,

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we were still making part of our movie. And I think that was a huge shot in the arm, literally, to everyone on the cast and crew, like, oh, this crazy Mervish PERSON guy is still making this movie. I guess we're still on. I guess we'll come back and we'll finish it. And, you know, meanwhile, my composer, Luis Gera PERSON, you know, who lives just a few blocks away from me in L.A. GPE, you know, he was starting to work with musicians also kind of stuck around the world. In Mexico City GPE, there was a groupof musicians in Brazil GPE. And so we were, so we were doing a lot of music because musicians couldn't

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do anything then either. And so all of a sudden we were like writing all these new Basanova ORG tracks,

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you know, and having like a studio in Brazil GPE recording. We're like, this is awesome, you know.

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We should have a pandemic all the time.

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But it was, but you know, but that was the key.

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Like other than that and making sourdough, you know, and then I was editing the film too, you know, editing the footage that we had, which is about 80% of the movie at least. And then, you know, then we could kind of tweak, which is about 80% of the movie at least. And then, you know, then we could kind of tweak the script for when we would come back and make it better like, oh, we need this, we don't need that. And so I think creatively, if anything, it certainly didn't hurt.

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What's cool that you were editing and making sourdough at the same time?

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Well, you got to.

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I mean, you've got those, you know, it's got a rise for 20, you know, two hours.

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All right, let's cut some scenes, you know.

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Exactly.

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Well, Mike here, my co-host, he's actually starting.

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He's starting his own production company.

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They're kind of in the early stages of that.

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I'm sorry for your loss.

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Yeah, right?

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Yeah, that's sometimes what it feels like um you know

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know I always uh love hearing from independent like people especially with the crowdfunding thing because I think that that's a uh I wouldn't say new but I think it's a untapped market sometimes for film because I think people get intimidated by it or like you said you know or even the emotional aspect of it once you got that money you kind of have all these people looking at you and stuff like that um like for you going forward like what do you think for independence the best way to like go about getting films made or getting you know projects off the ground is like what would you what would you give advice to yeahlike newer independence or people that are wanting to get into this um what what would you say to like say hey this is the best way to get into this. What would you say to like say, hey, this is the best way to get started or get kind of things off the ground or get your feet in the door? Yeah,

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I think, you know, my mantra has always been, it's better to make the low budget movie than wait, wait,wait, to try to make the bigger budget version, you know, because, and, you know,and I've gone down that road with other projects in the past where you're waiting for the perfect finance and you're waiting for the perfect cast I mean even on 18 and a half you know we just forgetting about the pandemic but we still we were a week like four days into shooting and we didn't know who our second two leads were going to be because we hadn't cast them yet because someone had dropped out and things were happening. But, you know, we set that start date. And that was key. I mean, that was something I learned from Robert Altman years ago. Set a start date tell everyone trains leaving the station. You're making this movie. And then again, if you believe it, other people will start to believe it too. And eventually we got an amazing cast and gotBondi Curtis Hall and Kathy Curtin, like with 36 hours notice. But if we hadn't really set a start date and said, hey, we're going to make this movie, we probably never would have made the movie to this date because the pandemic was right around the corner. So I think that's key is to is to make the movie with the resources you have, with the friends you have, with the money you have. Don't wait around for, you know, Hollywood GPE to answer your door when you come knocking because they keep changing their address, you know, they keep moving around.And so stop knocking and just make your own movie. That, you know, that's kind of been my thing. And, you know, Alan PERSON, I think, knows I wrote a book called The Chirful Surversives Guide to Independent Filmmaking, which I strongly recommend everyone should buy. Absolutely. And then buy another copy for their friends, you know.

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But so that's, but yeah, that's one of the big things in there.

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It's just set a start date and say you're making the movie.

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And, yeah, and if you get a, if you get and if you get a fancy pants name actor, great.

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But if you don't, that's okay.

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You know, just make the movie.

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Yeah, very cool.

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And John McGarrow PERSON did pretty good after that with a...

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Oh, yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, yeah. And then right after our film, he did Past Lives WORK_OF_ART. And, you know, Mr. Oscar PERSON, well, you know, Oscar-nominated film.

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Oscar PERSON-nom nominated film. Best picture.

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All right.

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We had some questions from the audience.

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Davina Deckeres.

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Thanks so much, Dan PERSON.

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It's great to hear about indie filmmaking.

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Absolutely.

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From Krizzik ORG, a lot of people got into breadmaking, I got into Instant Pot PRODUCT, Dane the pandemic. From AD Ellis on Rumble PRODUCT, what was behind the writing of what was the missing tape, the missing 18 and a half minutes TIME, and how did the process of recording the audioover Zoom PRODUCT effect the outcome of the sound?

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Right. So the process of writing it, because, I mean, in real life, nobody knows what's on that tape. It is still missing to this day. Nobody knows who erased it, why it was erased, what was on it. There's a lot of speculation, a lot of theories about it. But, you know, but if you're doing historical fiction, it kind of frees you up to put whatever you want on there. You know, there is no wrong answer. And so what we did is we looked at a lot of,

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looked and listened to a lot of other Nixon PERSON tapes that were not deleted,

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which, you know, there's tons of the matter.

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Did you go to the library for that, by the way?

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Yeah, we worked, I went to the Nixon Library at one point, but I also went to, we talked to people at the Miller Center at the University of Virginia ORG. They're one of the repositories of Nixon PERSON tapes, and they were really helpful. But a lot of this stuff is online, too. Weirdly, very little of it has been transcribed for odd legal reasons, but you can hear the tapes. And that kind of gets into, so we were able to kind of tweak what we wanted the tape to say to fit the plot and the characters that we had.what we wanted the tape to say to fit the plot and the characters that we had. And that was while still being realistic and taking phrasing from real Nixon PERSON things. And then that kind of speaks to the audio quality is when we listened to the tapes, you know, and I had John and Ted and Bruce PERSON listened to the tapes as well. You know, they're not very good quality. And also the mic, everyone was mic differently. So it actually meant that doing it on Zoom PRODUCT was with everyone having different kind of micswas fine. You know, it was a little bit more complicated than just doing it like a regular Zoom call. We had each guy, each of the actors record. We could see and hear each other on Zoom PRODUCT live. Then they also recorded on voice record pro,which is like an app on your phone or a quick time or something like that, slightly better versions of it. And then they would email those files to me after our sessions. And then I would sync them up to the Zoom PRODUCT track. But actually the Zoom PRODUCT tracks themselves were almost as good as what we got off of the quote-unquote higher quality stuff.And then in post-production, we kind of futzed everything anyway and made it sound kind of fussy. But what was interesting was the day before we recorded, we were all listening to the part of the Nixon tape that's right after it got deleted, because it's part of a two-hour tape, just to kind of get the rhythm and the tone and the feel of that room. And what we realized was about two minutes after the deletion, Nixon and Haldeman start talking about this movie that they had just seen that weekend called oh crap what is it now it was a Robert Redford PERSON film from 1972

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three days a month it was it was a heist it's like a goofy heist movie let me just see

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Redford heist movie, 1972. Anyway, and they're talking about the Hot Rock. That's what it is, the Hot Rock, which is a crazy, weird, odd movie, and it's good. Anyway, and they're laughing about this movie because it's a heist gone wrong, and they're like, ah, just like this Watergate EVENT thing. And this is like three days after the break-in, and we're just like, oh, my God, we're the first people to actually hear this.And we researched. Nobody had ever mentioned that they're laughing about Watergate right after the 18-Hapomackap EVENT.

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Because nobody ever listened to that part of the tape because they weren't really talking about Watergate EVENT.

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And so we made this interesting historical discovery just by listening to the tapes.

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And so if you go to the end, spoiler alert, in our end credits, we have Bruce and John and Ted PERSON do a version of Nixon talking about Redford PERSON and the hot rock. And, you know, and of course, the irony was that, you know, Redford would be in all the President's men two years later. Awesome.

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Yeah.

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Some weird stuff like that where what was real and what was fiction kind of got mixed around.

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That was a weird time.

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As a kid, that's my first memory of a president.

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Yeah. His resignation.

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I'm Amy Ellis PERSON.

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Lloyd Kaufman PERSON has a role in your film.

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What influence has he had on your work, on your filmmaking career, and slam dance?

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We'll talk about slam dance right after this.

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Sure. Well, Lloyd is, you know, we've known Lloyd for well over 20 years, I think starting with, because he distributed Cannibal the musical, Trey Parker and Matt Stone PERSON's film, which was kind of the precursor to slam dance. They showed that in Park City in 1994, and we had heard about those guys, and that was kind of what influenced slam dance.And then a few years later, once they got big with South Park, then Troma ORG picked up Cannibal the musical, and we did a big retrospective screening of it in Park City with Tray and Matt and Lloyd, and kind of that was how we first got to know him. And yeah, and he would always show up in Park City doing Tray and Matt and Lloyd and kind of that was how we first got to know him. And yeah, and he would always show up in Park City doing troma dance and things like that. We would do events with him. So he was actually, the reason he's in the movie, because he was emailing me that winter to say,hey, Dan, you know, I'm going to be in Park City GPE. Are you guys doing slam dance and da-da-da? And I said, no, that year I thought we were going to be shooting the movie then. So I said, no, I think I'm shooting this movie in New York GPE. Great, can I be in it? And I'm saying, you can't say no to Lloyd PERSON.It's rude. So that's why he's in the movie, you know.

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All right, well, then that's why I didn't see you at slam dance that year.

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That's my own time at Sundance ORG. Right. But the crazy thing is, though, is after we shot the movie, like a year later, we're at the Tallgrass Film Festival in Wichita, and Lloyd is there with Pat PERSON, his wife. And they're telling me this crazy story about how Lloyd was actually at the Nixon PERSON White House because he was invited to Nixon PERSON's daughter's weddingbecause he was like college friends with the groom. And Lloyd hitchhiked there and his date was Carolyn McCarthy PERSON, who later became a congresswoman. And so I went into the National Archives and found a picture of, I think, Lloyd at the Nixon PERSON wedding, which is crazy. That's crazy. And why he didn't tell me that when we were shooting the movie, I don't know.He waited a year. Anyway, so, yeah, so that's on the DVD. That's on the DVD.

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You'll see that. In fact, Crispy asks, where can I find the documentary? I'll definitely watch it.

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Oh, well, you can find it wherever. Find DVDs are sold or go to your local library because it's at a lot of libraries too, as I just discovered. I assume it's on Amazon ORG. Yeah, it's on Amazon ORG. It's on its Target ORG on their website.You can order it. It's not that expensive. It's like 14 bucks or something.

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And it's old school, vintage. It's not even Blu-ray. It's better than expensive. It's like $14 or something. And it's old school, vintage. It's not even, it's not even Blu-ray. It's better than Blu-ray. It's just Ray PRODUCT.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's the old, old-school format.

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Old-school, yeah, yeah.

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So one thing I did want to talk about

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because you were one of the founders of Slamdance ORG. The big news came out a week ago, actually.

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Slam Dance is moving out of Park City and coming to Los Angeles.

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And I don't know how involved you are with slam dance these days,

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but, you know, where, yeah, tell us about the move and, you know,

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is it, are you giving us your thoughts about it or do you have some kind of

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inside information?

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Yeah, no, no, no.

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So, well, first of all, I'm not, I'm not as involved with Slamnance ORG anymore, but still a little bit. I was there, I was there this year, and I do an opening night poem every year, and I'm kind of a de facto mentor for a lot of the new filmmakers, and I hosted a few screening.So I still do get involved, you know, when they need me. But it's largely programmed by alumni, which is great, because we now have 30 years of alumni. And, you know, not too shabby alumni, by the way, you know, from Chris Nolan, Bong Joon, Brian Johnson PERSON,

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the Russo brothers, Belaitland Shelton, Sean Baker PERSON, you know, Safty brothers, Gina Prince Bywood PERSON.

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You know, it's a pretty impressive list of folks. But for those who don't know, Slammance ORG, just look up some of those names and, you know, we'll see. But anyway, but we look, it's funny that everyone's like, oh my gosh, Slaman PERSON is moving to L.A. We've been talking about this for 29 years. It started in 1996. I don't doubt that.

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We were like, maybe we should move to LA GPE. Because most of us live in LA. Our headquarters is in L.A. So it's not that for us, and we've events in L.A. almost every year, like incrementally, you know, over the years. We did a really nice thing at Agbo Studios ORG, the Russo Brothers studio in downtown L.A. just summer we're like a three-day event there and we're like wow people are coming to this it's a really cool space um you know the russos are great they've been great supporters over the year so uh yeah but you know but the

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the impetus to move was really you know and every year we would kind of reevaluate are we in the right place are we at the right time you know should we you know, and every year we would kind of reevaluate. Are we in the right place? Are we at the right time? You know, should we keep doing this? And every year it was like, yes, yes, we should stay in Park City. This year it was no, it's too expensive. We had just gotten the,

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we were back at the Yarrow Hotel FAC, which I know you know, which was our venue, which was our

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main venue for our first two years. And then Sundance kicked us out after 1996. And then we were up at the Treasure Mountain Inn FAC. But that was getting too expensive. And then Sundance has really cut down in the last couple of years, sort of post-pandemic. And because people weren't coming and everything was getting more expensive.So they abandoned the arrow. They weren't going to use it last year.

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So we went in and we had a great time there and it was a great venue and a great location.

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And then Sundance ORG was like, ah, crap, you slammance guys figured it out. You know, you're back here again. And so they had booked it then for next year. So we really didn't have like an obvious venue to go back to for next year. And it really, the price of Park City GPE, I mean, it is the most expensive city in America during the height of ski season.And people in Park City don't particularly like Sundance or Slanans NORP being there at that time of year because we take all the hotel spots and condo spots that they want skiers to be in. So it's a weird, there's always been this weird dynamic there. So, and, you know, and look, Sundance ORG, not for nothing. They've been, you know, there's, there's all kinds of rumors about their, they're taking bids from other cities.They're thinking of their contract with Park City runs out after next year. So they may go to, who knows where, Denver or, you know, Santa Fe GPE, nobody knows. Or they may stay where they are. But we're just like, you know what, for us, let's just go to L.A. next year. We know how to do events here. We live here.It's cheaper.

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You know, I'm going to have half the filmmakers living in my garage next year. I'm sure it's the one downside.

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But, hey, more than merrier.

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Yeah, no, because Chris and I have been talking, I mean, every year it's, do we need to go to Slame Sundance ORG? Yeah, exactly.

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Because it's, A, it's at the weird time of the year. It's in January. And so the films are, you know,

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it's the beginning of the year. The films are not being talked about enough. And we soon found out

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is that after that first weekend, people left. Everyone left.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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And it just seemed like, yeah, you guys moving to L.A.

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It was just made a whole lot of sense.

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And, you know, and I think you can, you know, bring a lot more eyes to slam dance itself. Definitely a lot more people into the theater.

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I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Because as you know, I mean, in a lot more people into the theater. I think so, yeah.

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Yeah, because as you know, I mean, in Park City GPE, honestly,

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the theaters that we did have were always tiny and packed.

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And so it's not like that many people were actually seeing the films in Park City GPE.

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And over the years, fewer sort of deals were being made. Fewer executives were in Park City GPE. Like you said, like the last few years, people were leaving after that first weekend. So hang on, I was like, why are we still all hanging around here? And now the town's empty. Like, that's just, even Sundance this year shut down the

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echoes after, after that Wednesday. And we were just like, wait, what? That's something, you know,

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your city built that location for Sundance ORG, you know. Yeah.

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That was kind of a snuff in the face to them.

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So that's, I don't know. So, so, yeah. It's crazy. And then meanwhile, I mean, L.A. GPE, you know, there are still some good festivals in L.A., but there's no, you know, L.A. GPE film festivals gone. Outfest EVENT is gone.Like, it's not like L.A. GPE has some great festival that we're, you know, upsetting. So, yeah. Or big festival.

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You know, there's plenty of room for lots here. Absolutely. Okay. Ron Phelps says, I hear SlamDance and I get warm and fuzzies. Let me ask you this, especially for Mike. But what would you say is the kind of film Slamdance ORG is looking for,for people wanting to possibly submit their film to you?

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Yeah, it's funny because, and you may have a slightly different opinion of this as an objective observer, but we've never really had a quote-unquote slam dance film, you know, model in mind. I mean, we've shown dramas, comedies, narrative fiction, documentaries, international films, national films of all kinds. We tend to mix them around,as opposed to kind of ghettoizing like world versus U.S., which Sundance ORG and a lot of other festivals do. So, you know, we'll have Bong Joon Ho showing his film next to some guy from Iowa GPE. So that's a little bit different. But I think that the one key thing is some sort of originality, you know. That, I think, is the one mark of every slam dance film, is that they're doing something original. Maybe the tone, the content style.There's at least some element to it that people haven't seen before. But also because the focus, at least for the main competition, is first-time directors without distribution, is that they, you know, they tend to be, they not tend to be, sometimes they're a little rough around the edges, but you can definitely see, oh, this filmmaker has something interestingthat we want to see what their next film is.

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And if you think about some of our more successful filmmakers, you don't remember the Russo

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Brothers' first film pieces. You don't, you know, hardly anyone has seen Nolan's following or Ryan Johnson's PERSON Evil Demon Golf Ball from Hell. But we could see in all those films,

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oh, this is a filmmaker to watch.

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And I think, and there's something there.

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And because all of our programming is done by alumni filmmakers,

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like we're looking at it through the lens of another filmmaker. Yeah.

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And I think that has lent a slightly different, you know,

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take on our programming choices compared to Sundance ORG or other festivals.

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Yeah, I like how you describe it, because I always thought Slamdance ORG was the anti-Sundance.

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But I like the fact that, yeah, whenever I see a Slamdance ORG movie, there's something different about it.

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There's something odd about it.

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You know, there's something that just, you know, you realize why they're not getting, you know,

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the big theatrical because they're that different.

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And to give a filmmaker a chance is so important.

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And I think that's the main reason why slime dance exists. Yeah, thanks. No, I mean, you said it best. You know, that should go on the poster album. But, yeah, I mean, it's funny because a lot of people still think it's the anti-slaman dance. If anything, it's a pre-sundance. You know funny because a lot of people still think it's the anti-salin. If anything, it's the pre-sundance.You know, because so many of our film makers, we show their first film, but then their second film will play at Sundance ORG.

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Yeah, from Nolan, I think it was Memento PERSON that ultimately got to.

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Yep, exactly.

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You know, or like Napoleon Dynamite WORK_OF_ART. We showed the short, Paluka PERSON.

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That I literally introduced Jared to the producers that then gave him the money to make the feature Napoleon Dynamite WORK_OF_ART. We showed the short, Paluka, that I literally introduced Jared to the producers that then gave him the money to make the feature Napoleon Dynamite. And the next year that played at Sundance ORG. So, yeah, so that's another way of looking at it, which I don't know that Sundance ORG has ever quite appreciated about us.

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But whatever.

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I know.

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You would think, yeah.

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Why would they treat you like that that's that's a thing

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I do I well if you don't mind I got a question yeah I'm just really big on uh I mean obviously for myself

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but I'm really big on like encouraging other people because I feel like you know a lot of people get

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really discouraged or they get worried or like you said I really appreciated what you said about like

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just go out and do like instead of worrying about making the perfect storm happen to make a movie would you say like in your opinion that the independent scene is like growing at like a pretty rapid pace have you noticed like an uptick in people that are like trying to get into the independent scene or and even with that like is there something different about like this next generation of like filmmakers and people that are trying to get into independent scene that that is like encouraging to you or exciting to you uh it's interesting

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i do i do a lot of guest lecturing at film schools and i've started teaching a chapman a little bit this

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year and um uh let's let's hear it alan ORG for those I know you're my area I know go dodge um and and the

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weird thing is I think uh I you you know 10 years ago if you'd ask a room full of film students

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what do you got what do you want to be when you grow up oh I want to be a director you know that's

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and that's how everyone talked right you know the first day in film school you ask them now and like

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at least 50 percent say I want to be a showrunner,

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you know, and I think that's, that is a big fundamental change is that so many more people want to get into episodic, you know, TV work, which is just culturally very different from film. There it's more about the writer and the writer becomes the producer and as opposed to indie features where it's much more director-driven or producer-driven,but not so much writer-driven. So in that regard, I think fewer people are seeking out fame and fortune in independent filmmaking. Interesting. But on the other hand, you've got a billion people making TikToks every day.And guess what? They're all filmmakers. You know, they may not think about it. And Hollywood GPE certainly doesn't think about them as filmmakers. But that is exactly what they are. And all, you know, and a good indie feature is just, you know, what, 210 TikTok PRODUCT strungtogether. You know, that's the length of a movie. So people are learning the tools of filmmaking and the storytelling, you know, much early, you know, when they're like five years old, they're making better TikToks than half the indie films coming out of Sundance ORG. So I think, so that's different, but whether those people are even in thatheadspace to say, oh, okay, now I'm going to make an indie feature, I don't know that it's any more or less or about the same. I think it, I think in terms of numbers of submissions and things like that, it's kind of been a remarkably steady over the last few years. But I think it's

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because there's all these like countervailing influence. Some people are going to TV. Some people are staying in TikToks PRODUCT. And then there's a bunch of people who are like, oh, yeah, I'm going to get

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rich and famous making independent films and nobody sees, you know. But the, but that's the point of independent film is it's not about making money. It's not, and it shouldn't be. It's about making art, you know, maybe small A art. But, you know, it's the one, it's the one, you know, because if you're making like an episodic show, you're answering to executives at the studio and the network and the this and then that.And it's, you know, it's going to get really watered down. there's not and hollywood isn't making features other than you know um a couple

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you know superhero movies every year it's all adaptations yeah they're all yeah they're all

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adaptations um so so really independent film is the one place where you can tell a 90 minute to 110 minute you you know, story, uh, in one sitting. And, um, you know, and weirdly enough, you know, I had a filmmaker say to me recently, they just finished their film. They're like, oh, damn, is it true? I keep hearing, this is the worst time ever to be trying to sell an independent film or get it out there. And I was like, yes, but it's always the worst time everdoing that. And that's been true for 120 years. People have been making independent films since there were films. And I don't think that this is any worse than ever. I don't think it's any better than ever. You know, what's been great about 18 and a halfis we're finding different ways to get the film out there. Like, we've made more money and probably more people have seen the film on airplanes, you know, than any of my other films for 100%. And that's because on an airplane, you can't commit to watching an eight-episode series of anything. No, you got two hours. Great.You're going to watch an actual movie, you know. And, and you know what? Those airplanes, they actually pay the filmmakers. Shocking, you know. It's the one place where the market sort of still works. And then, like, weirdly enough this week, figuring out that, you know, public libraries in Kalamazoo GPE actually will pay you for your DVD and people are watching them. People are checking them out. So there are these weird markets and ways that people will engage with your film and watch your film in a way that if you, even if you're making an episodic series for Netflix ORG, there's no engagement with the audience.

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You know, what's great about films and film festivals and Alan certainly knows this is it's the last place where you can see a film with an audience they're going to if you have if it's a comedy they laugh it's a drama they cry it's a horror film they shriek if it's a bad comedy they shriek you know and you can do Q&As and have that interaction with the audience in a way that that is never going to happen either making episodics or in making TikToks PRODUCT for that matter

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all right well thanks Dan lew I'm about I'm about an hour away never going to happen either making episodics or in making TikToks PRODUCT for that matter. All right.

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Well, thanks, Dan PERSON. Oh, go about. I'm about an hour away for, or an hour and a half away from Kalamazoo GPE. I love that.

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Well, there you go. Go to their public library.

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They have our film.

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Yeah, you get read to there.

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All right. Well, thanks, Dan PERSON. You've been very generous with your time. No, thank you. Plug away 18 and a half one more time there it is 18 and a half available wherever fine DVDs are sold rented or or or checked out you know as and not only do you get the

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movie but you get a fantastic documentary about film two hour long thank you a fantastic

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documentary is that we is that the line that I can use that is you can quote me on that

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fantastic doctor all right all right thanks a lot Dan PERSON great Great to see you again. Nice to meet you,

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Mike. Take care. Nice to meet you too, man. All right. That was great. I love Dan PERSON.

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Dan PERSON's a big supporter film threat. And I, I gratefully see him at all our events.

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And I'm thankful for that. So let's, yeah, we're going to go over our final super chats and we'll close this thing out.

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We got some great shows coming up.

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But we'll just go here for Mediac for $10.

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Mega, mega, mega, mega.

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The only mistakes are the left.

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We're going political, are we?

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For another 10.

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You're not an expert, but you opine. You're not an expert, but you opine.

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You're not an expert, but you opine.

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Black Wright ORG CEO bragged about spending to change minds,

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and they lost billions when Texas GPE revoked state funding. Yes, Mediac, $10. Free Stellar Blade PRODUCT. I think we can all agree on that one. Thank you for your support. Let's see.From Stitch member for eight months. Mike, thanks for helping Alan PERSON keep the light on. Absolutely.

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Thank you, I'm happy to be here, man. Yeah,

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I'm glad you're able to join us from Madiac ORG again. Madiac ORG, yeah, it's just keep, I'll reach your political chats. The Last of Us WORK_OF_ART versus,um, I have no idea what that one is.

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The Last of Us 2.

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Oh, the Last of Us 2. Okay, The Last of Us versus Last Was 2, reality versus agenda. I assume you. I only play one video game and I'm ashamed to tell you what it is. From Slayer's 96 DA first, became a YouTube ORG member. Thanks you for joining us.From Slayer ORG again. A member for three. How does that work? You're a new member. You you for joining us. From Slayer again. A member for three. How does that work? You're a new member, yet you're a member for three months. Goody Bud trailer delayed tonight. But, oh, inhale, 199. And then lastly, Jimmy Francis has become a YouTube ORG member.Thanks so much. Yeah, hey, we're going to end this here, but a couple big things to talk about. Friday, Dante PERSON is joining us. We're going to talk about Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes WORK_OF_ART. We'll also be talking about Unfrosted WORK_OF_ART,and we will talk about not another church movie starring Jamie Fox.

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And then on Monday, I don't know what, let me see if we have a topic for Monday yet.

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But Monday, we don't know what, let me see if we have a topic for Monday yet. But Monday we have verses on Wednesday is a Hollywood on the Rocks is going to be in the evening. The reason is I will be seeing Furiosa PERSON for a press screening. And because the embargo lifted, we can talk about it right afterwards. I will tell you, I'm seeing it with someone, but that person said not to mention that they may or may not be there. So we'll see. But Friday night, 8 o'clock Pacific is when we'll talk about Furiosa PERSON.And then let's see if we have verses set up here. Oh, we're going to talk about Planet the Apes on Monday for verses. Mike, plug away.

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Yeah, you can catch me right now. I'm cruising over on YouTube ORG. I'm trying to get that channel monetized. So you can catch me at YouTube.com slash at Epic Mike. I'm also over on Kick ORG. You can catch me over there.Keep your eyes on Epicverse ORG. I know somebody asked, a couple people asked in the comments, how can we watch your stuff? We have not released anything officially yet. Everything that we have is going to be on a website. The website that you see right now,Epicverse ORG. TV is just a placeholder website. As we get trailers and teasers, we'll put them over there and link them over there. When the actual website's ready to go will be the same day that we launch. And everything that we have will be on that website. You can watch all the stuff that we've been working on um and stuff like that but i will keep everybody posted on when that's going to happen so as of right now just keep your eyes on the website um we also do a stream every thursday at 8 pm eastern over on the epic verse channel ORG um we just talk about whatever and we do ridiculous tier lists about all kinds of random topicslast week it was bears um so yeah keep keep your eye on that um i'm kind of all over the place but main thing is yeah the youtube at the kick channel you can catch me over there and then epic verse um keep supporting that because once we're ready to come out with it i'll be everywhere talking

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about it you won't be able to stop here you'll be here talking about yeah absolutely so

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much for having me man i really appreciate it absolutely thanks for joining it this is great i appreciate

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you being there um appreciate the 2,400 people watching us on youtube uh rumble and x your support is greatly appreciated uh to everyone who left stupid chats thank you and uh i'm aligning uh you could catch my reviews on film thought.com my review of Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes WORK_OF_ART is there. Oh, we didn't review it, did we? Ah, damn. I'll just say, first two acts are good.I loved it. Third act. We'll be talking about that third act. So with that, yeah, I think that's it.

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We will see you, and let's get out of here.