Ep 690 | Shaq SLAMS Nikola Jokic’s NBA MVP Award, Gets Clowned

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Nicola Yokic won his third MVP award in the NBA ORG, and guess what? People are upset about it. People want to make Yokic apologize every year that he wins the NBA ORG MVP. Last night, it was Shaquille O'Neal, who I thought and again, I'm a huge Shaquille O'Neal PERSON fan. I findShaq PERSON likeable, but I did not like him last night. He put Yokic PERSON on the defensive with his comments that seemed very, very personal to me.Jack seems very upset that he only won one MVP, and now Yokic has won his third. But this is what happens when you turn the sports media world over to athletes. You don't end up with an adult conversation. You end up with a personal conversation. And you end up with a conversation that has a tinge, a tinge of racial idolatry.

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We'll talk about that and more today. Welcome to Fearless with Jason Whitlock WORK_OF_ART.

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I'm Jason Whitlock PERSON, your host.

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Happy Thursday.

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Thank you for joining me. Man, oh man, do we have an awesome show for you today. Scap attack's going to be here. Steve Kim PERSON's going to be here. We're going to start off talking about Shaquille O'Neill PERSON and Nicola Yokicwinning the MVP WORK_OF_ART award and all the jealousy towards the Joker PERSON. We'll start there. And then we're going to beautify this entire place. I know you guys get tiredto looking at me and you want to see some beauty on the set. Man, are you going to see it today? Shemika Michelle PERSON is going to be here with us via Skype. In studio, Brianna Morello PERSON, you guys have hopefully been following her work. She's a new conservative Christian social media influencer, you know, heavy on heavy in the news lane. Brianna PERSON's in studio with us here in Nashville. And so is Ari Jacob PERSON, a woman that was canceled by TaylorLorenz or the New York not, yeah, it was the New York Times when Taylor Rends PERSON worked there. They tried to counsel her. Ari PERSON was a social media talent agent. And so we're going to have an entire discussion, three lovely women, and we're going to have a lot of conversation about what's going on with women in the media, what's going on with women as social media influencers, what's going on with Greg Doyle and Caitlin Clark. All of that cover today. Sitback will be a little long today. So hopefully you got some time because we got some time for you today.And we're going to try to make the most of it. First thing you guys can do is check out the extra fearless content on Blaze TV ORG. Go to blazTV.com slash fearless. Use a promo code fearless ORG. And you can save $20 on your yearly subscription. Today's episode, like a lot of episodes, are brought to you by our good friends at Good Ranchers ORG.Use my promo code fearless at Good Ranchers.com ORG. And with your subscription, you can claim free American Waggoo burgers for a year. That's a $400 value. Support, and you can support our veterans this Memorial Day season. Thank you, Good Ranchers ORG. Be good to Good Ranchers because they're so good to us.Now, let me transition into today's topic of the day. Nicole Yolkich in a not very close vote, won his third MVPaward in the past four years. This should be his fourth MVP award in the past four years. This should be his fourth MVP award in the last four years. They stole last year from him and gave it to Joel M.B. If you guys remember, Kendrick Perkins took a dump on Yokeage last year and turned the whole conversation racial.And the next thing you know, Joelle M.B. is the MVP when he really didn't deserve you know joel mb PERSON is the MVP when he really didn't deserve it well uh this year the voters have kind of struck back and at let's put the MVP results up on screen yoke it's won in a landslide this year and it i think he's the right choice but it should have been closer than what it was. I think he received 79 of the first place votes.It was a blowout. Shea Gilt, SGA, Chey Alexander came in second. Luca Donkich came in third. I believe one of the, Lucas, I think, from Slovenia GPE. I'm spacing out on where Yolk PERSON is from. I think Shea Alexander's from Canada GPE.So three guys from outside the United States go one, two, three, and the MVP WORK_OF_ART vote. That's bad enough. You throw on it that Yokic being white andsetting off the racial idolatry that is commonplace now in sports media. I didn't expect Shaq to join in, but looking backin retrospect, I'm not surprised. Let's take a listen to Shaquille O'Neal complaining about Yokicwinning his third MVP WORK_OF_ART. The 2024

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MVP from the Denver Nuggets, Nicola Jokic. And we congratulate the Joker PERSON who for the

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third time is the Kia MVP of the NBA. 26 points. The game was number 10 in the league. 12 rebounds was number four, nine assists was number 3, at 25 triple doubles second most in the league, 68 double doubles was second in the league. 31 games of at least 10 assists this year, 23 games with at least 15 rebounds. And Nikola Yokic claims his third MVP WORK_OF_ART award. Shack, your thoughts.

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I don't like to rain on people's parade, but I'm not happy with this one. Congratulations, a Joker, you're all the best bet, big man in the league, but based on everybody's criteria, my criteria, stats, stats stuffer, you guys' criteria, number one seed, which team has a better record, I felt Shay Alexander PERSON deserved itbecause I've been number two a lot when I play my ass off number two, so the fact that he has to start all over next year and try to win it again, I think it was, I know it's going to be hurtful for him. Hopefully he uses this to motivate him to win a championship, but I thought, and again, I think it was, I know it's going to be hurtful for him. Hopefully he uses this to motivate him to win a championship. But I thought, and again, no disrespect to the Joker PERSON, best big man in the league by far. You could have went this way.But I thought Shade Gildjus Alexander, one of only a few players that had 30 points, 50 times. That stuffer, great season. His team is number one. Nobody expected them to be number one. I thought Shea, Gilges, Alexander was going to win it by far. But congratulations to Joker PERSON.I'm happy for him. Third time MVP WORK_OF_ART, you really can't be mad at this vote.

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But the fact that he has to start all over next year and win it over again. Because again, I thought I was robbed two or three times, right? And I played my ass off stat stuffer, won championships those years. But again, no disrespect to Joker PERSON. But me personally, I would have gave it to Shea PERSON. You keep throwing stat stuffer out there.

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No, because that's my criteria for MVP.

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Does Nicole the Yokets PERSON not stuff the stat sheet?

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Yeah, but not like, no, but not like to Shea PERSON.

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Really?

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She is one of a few players that had 30 points in 50 games, Ernie PERSON.

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Every year, idiots get on TV and talk about who's the best player.

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It never goes to the best player.

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It goes to the best regular season.

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You know, Shaq PERSON said he got robbed. Not every year it doesn't. Well, most of the time. It goes to the guy. So, you know, Shaq said he got robbed. I don't know if he got robbed I got right with Steve PERSON was the

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badest mofow for it but it let's talk about now though it doesn't go to the best

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player goes to the guy who had the best record well you know what don't name

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him most viable player then no well name the most viable player in the league

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that was me it does not it does not go to you Jay Gilges Alexander PERSON well don't

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name it that then. Yolkich PERSON is arguably the best center in this millennial right now. There's no question that he has. He's the one of the third MVP WORK_OF_ART. I would have to agree with Shaq PERSON on this regard that he, he, he has taken his team to heights that no one expected. And that actually hurts.Being great like Shack was in Yokic PERSON at times, it hurts. Like, oh, well, you're supposed to do that.

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You're supposed to do that. There's an expectation.

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So that's Shack turning Yokage's MVP award into an argument about what happened to Shaq 20 years ago.

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Are you kidding? I like Shaq PERSON. And so I just want to enter that into the record. But Shaq PERSON, man, cut it out. We got to cut it out. What Joker just did has nothing to do with what happened to Shaq 20 years ago.How do we do this? And I give Ernie credit for pushing back against Shaq PERSON. You're talking about he's a stat stuff foraffer, Shea Gilgis, Alexander. And Yolkage PERSON, is it? When they ratted off, did they say he was 10th in scoring, third or fourth in assist,and fifth or sixth in rebounds or whatever? The man nearly averaged the triple double. That's not a stat stuffer. His team finished with the best record in the Western Conference on a divisional tiebreaker. They loseto OKC GPE and OKC's the number one seat. And I get that what Shea Alexander did this year was impressive and he deserved to be in the MVP race. But to throw a tangent like Yokic PERSON has no argument when we know they stole the MVP from him lastyear and he came back and had a similar type season this year and they finished with the best record in the West LOC. We got to stop it with the athletes and their whole personal agenda and the lack of discipline here. You just reigned on this man's parade because you're still upset because one time you finished second to Steve Nash PERSON in the MVP race. One time, the other time Shaq finished second, it was David Robinson PERSON. And this was early in Shaq PERSON's career.He finished second to David Robinson PERSON. Shack only won one MVP WORK_OF_ART. And maybe he should have won more. But he played in an era that was stacked with a lot of guys in his era. And Shaq playing alongside Kobe a lot of times, didn't get all the creditthat he would have gotten if he wasn't playing with another guy who has a right to say, I'm one of the top ten greatest players of all time. I mean,Kobe's, if he wants to be mad at somebody, not Steve Nash PERSON, not David Robinson PERSON, not MVP WORK_OF_ART voters. You played alongside Kobefor a long time or a good stretch of time in Los Angeles, and that hurt your MVP case. Again, you're playing alongside someone who many people consider one of the five greatest.Some people believe he's the second greatest player of all time. That hurts your MVP case. When you're in your prime and you're playing along somebody who is just as good as you, more driven than you, takes the game more seriously than you did.Not taking a dump on Shaq PERSON. I'm just putting these facts out here. But wow. That was not a good look last night. Yokic wins his third MVP WORK_OF_ART. They bring him on air and Shaq feels it necessary to tell him, hey, man, I'll just want to tell you that I didn't think you deserved the MVP WORK_OF_ART.And I'm just like, oh my God. Is every time one of these white guys wins the MVP WORK_OF_ART, we're going to, somebody's going to throw a tantrum. Last year it was Kendrick Perkins PERSON. And he calls Yokish the MVP. We're going to, somebody's going to throw a tantrum. Last year it was Kendrick Perkins. And he calls Yokes PERSON an MVP. When Steve Nash PERSON won the MVP, everybody had a big discussion about all is Steve Nash PERSON being favored or blah.Those Phoenix Suns ORG teams were really good. They were finishing with the best record. They were playing a style of basketball. Steve Nash PERSON was scoring, leading a high-flying offense, leading the league and assist. Yeah, could Shaq have won that MVP WORK_OF_ART? I believe in what year is this?2003 and 4 over Steve Nash PERSON? Yes, there's a good case for that. But Shaq played alongside Kobe Bryant PERSON. That was a blessing. And that cut down on Shaq played alongside Kobe Bryant PERSON. That was a blessing. And that cut down on Shaq PERSON's individual wars. But Shaq PERSON going after Yolkid is about protecting Shaq's legacy.Now there's a center out here, another one, that's got three MVP WORK_OF_ART's. And that puts Yokin's got six. I think Bill Russell had four. And now Yokic is out here with three and a title. And Yolk PERSON. Yolkis PERSON isn't playing with any all-stars.Jamal Murray PERSON has never made the All-Star game. Shaq played alongside one of the greatest players in NBA history, Kobe Bryant PERSON. I'm going to bring in Jay Scappanick PERSON. You guys know him as Scappatack PERSON. He's been on the show before. And then we're going to get to Steve Kim PERSON.But Scapp, did they pick the right MVP for this season?

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Jason, there's no question about it that Nicole Yokic PERSON is the best player in the NBA ORG. He impacts winning more than anyone else in the league. And he was absolutely the deserving MVP this season. He should have been the MVP a year ago. You know, there's a lot of things to clean up on that open. That was a tremendously packed open that you just laid out there, Jason. But one thing that I want to slide in here is that one of the best determinants of impact on winning games in the NBA ORG that is veryvalued by MVP WORK_OF_ART voters are on-off metrics. It gauges how many points you add with your presence on the court. So how many points per 100 possessions do you add when you're on the court versus off? Now, Shea Gildjus Alexander PERSON was by far the best of all of the MVP candidates other than Nicola Yolkich. He added 10 points per 100 possessions that he was on the floor. Nicole Yokic added 19. So with Shea Gilgis Alexander being by far the second best MVP candidate in that metric,Yokic PERSON nearly doubled him. So there's no argument that he didn't impact his team winning more than any other player in the NBA this season. And, you know, I just, I do, I want to add one quick thing on the Kobe Bryant PERSON piece. I just got to slide this in for my guy. People that know me know that I'm a huge Kobe guy. Kobe Bryant has 11 top five MVP finishes end of the year throughout his career. 11.No player in NBA history has more top five finishes at the end of a season than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and LeBron James PERSON. Kareem had 15. LeBron had 14. Kobe had 11. No other player had more.Yet Kareem has six MVP, LeBron has four MVP, Kobe has one MVP. So if there's anybody that could be complaining about snubbing, it would be Kobe, who he never did before his untimely passing. He never complained about these kind of things. Shaq looked like a selfish, spoiled little brat last night. It was really off-putting. I, too, I'm a big Shaq guy. But just real quick, to expand one more thing on what you said. Not only did he play with Kelby, he played with Penny Hardaway in Orlando GPE, and he played with Dwayne Wade in Miami. All three of those players were first team all-MBAguards, Jason. All three. Penny was first team all-MBA guards, Jason, all three. Penny was first-team all-MBA at the two when he was playing with Shaq PERSON. Duane was first-team all-M-B-A in Miami there, and Toby was a perennial first-team all-MBA guard. As you said, Jamal Murray PERSON has never even made a single all-star game. Let's get Nicola Yokic a first-team-all-MBA caliber guard and see how many championships he can go to and how many he can win?

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Scap, you made me dig into my stat sheet, treasure chest, because I know there are people out there. It's like, hold on, he just, Kareem, LeBron, Kobe, where's Michael on that list? Michael 10 top five MVPseasons. I'm accurate on that, I think. That's correct.

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And Russell has 10 as well.

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Bill Russell had 10 as well. So how many did Shaq PERSON have? Now I've got to go back and look that up.

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Shaq had eight top 10 finishes. And he finished two, like he said, he finished second twice and he won once. Gotcha.

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So, just a horrible look for Shack and to turn this into a discussion about Shack makes a lot of people go, hold on, man, some of thishas to be some of that anti or racial energy or something like, man, a white guy stole it for me, Steve Nash, and now, you know, Yokic PERSON is stealing something for me. Because Yolkich, let's say he wins two more championships before his career is done, which is a possibility.Not going to happen this year. And Anthony Edwards and Minnesota ORG could be a problem for a long time. But let's say that he did. If Yokic retires with three titles and three MVP WORK_OF_ART's, people are going to argue. And maybe it only takes two titles and three.And people are going to argue he was better than Shaq PERSON. And that's what Shaq PERSON's trying to protect. Yeah, Jason.

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And it's going to be more than three MVPs, to be honest with you. Nicole Yokic has been dominating the NBA ORG in the advanced analytic metrics, which for those listeners out there that might not understand or might not know what advanced metrics are, they're a collection of these crazy little acronyms that voters have been obsessing over for years now. Most notably, BPM, which is box plus minus, and wind share per 48 minutes. Those are basically the two biggest determinants of league MVP at the end of a season.If you go back 12 years to 2011, 10 of the last 12 league MVP ultimately led the league in Winshare Per 48 and Box Plus Minus. Nicole Yokic PERSON is the all-time career leader in both of those metrics. Achieving something LeBron James PERSON never could. In 21 years, he could never eclipse Jordan PERSON in either of those. Nicole Yokic now, at the age of 29, is the all-time NBA leader in BPM and Winshares per 48.So there's really, I don't see any end to this dominance. He has led all five major advanced analytic categories, those two that I mentioned, along with value over replacement, P.E.R and standard win share. He's led the NBA for four straight years in those five metrics. LeBron James led the league for five years in his peak. And in those five years, LeBron won four league MVPs in the five seasons. So now,Yolkich next year, is likely to lead in all five of those categories again. It's not unreasonable to suggest that he is going to win his fourth league MVP in five years. And here's the rub. If you didn't have a problem with it when LeBron James PERSON was doing it, you shouldn't have a problem with it now that Nicola Yolkich is doing it. He is dominating the league every bit as much, if not more than LeBron James, from an advanced standpoint.And Yolkich PERSON wanted him, he won a championship in this span without a super team. LeBron needed the Miami juggernaut to win the two championships that he won in those five years. I would say what we're seeing out of Nicola Yolkich is every bit equivalent to what LeBron James PERSON did in his peak. And yet, everybody wants to get on TV and call out Nicole Yokic for some reason, while they're all calling LeBron James did in his peak. And yet, everybody wants to get on TV and call out Nicole Yokes PERSON for some reason. While they're all calling LeBron James, the goat or the second best behind Jordan PERSON. Scab PERSON, great stuff.

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Thank you. That was awesome.

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Get yourself a looming. Steve Kim, we just heard from your boy's backup. Keeperjohner PERSON why Yokicchus Steve Kim PERSON, we just heard

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from your boy's scap attack with an awesome breakdown on why Yokic deserve this MVP WORK_OF_ART. Steve, I want your thoughts really more on the tantrum that Shack through last night. One of the lowest moments of his broadcasting career.And I know he had a rough start to his broadcasting career. I like Shaq PERSON a lot. I did not like him last night. Yeah.

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I just want to mention one thing. I haven't to look up Jokic's number. He was one rebound away from averaging a triple doubles. That's amazing given the position that he plays. That's the standard that he has said. And Jason, what do I say? The standards that you have for somebody is what you think of them. So by the reaction that everyone is giving Jokic in this MVP WORK_OF_ART, they must really think a lot of them whether they want to admit it or not. But Jason, in terms of the big diesel, I think thisgoes back to a lot of his own career, given the fact that even though he was the most dominant player for at least seven to eight years, he only has one MVP. Now, I look back at it in 2000, first year with Phil Jackson PERSON, Lakers had a great run. They won their first championship in the Kobe Shack ORG era. Shack was absolutely the MVP. And if it wasn't for, I think Fred Hickman, he would have been the first and only unanimous MVP selection in the history of the league. So then I remember this, that the year that he went to Miami, there's a strong argument that it should have been him and not Steve Nash PERSON that shouldhave won it. So that's another one that he left on the table. But here's the other thing, though, and this is where, again, the consistency of Jokic PERSON has to be credited. And to me, consistency is also a mark of greatness. I'll never forget, Jason, in the 2000-2001 season, Shaq PERSON basically celebrated the championship in his MVP, not with a victory-lap, a victory Boston Marathon EVENT. And he came completely out of shape. He wasn't that good the first two, three months. And one of the most memorable things of Kobe Bryant's career, Jason, I don't know if youremember this, they did an ESPN cover story in December or January of that season where Kobe basically said, yeah, that guy over there, he came in fat and out of shape and Phil PERSON wants me to slow it down. No, I'm actually going to ramp up my pace because no one's slowing me down. And if he doesn't get in shape, he's going to get left behind. So again, I think Shaq is harkening back to his own career where he says, well, wait a minute.I know I'm better than Jokic PERSON. I'm the MDE most dominant ever, but I only have one trophy. I think a lot of it goes back to that, Jason. See, let's go to that

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second place finish to Steve Nash PERSON. He's playing in Miami GPE. Dwayne Wade PERSON, he's playing alongside Dwayne Wade PERSON, who is 23 years oldand, you know, is really coming into the peak of his powers, when you play alongside Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryant PERSON, it makes your path to the MVP trophy a lot harder. That's just a fact of life.Kobe Bryant has a claim to be one of the five or ten greatest players of all time. Dwayne Wade, I think, has a claim to be one of the 20 best players of all time. That will stand in the way of you winning an MVP WORK_OF_ART. He's just got to deal with that. It's not racism. It's his teammates.

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Jason, do you know that Shaq PERSON never led the league as the most dominant, most athletic, explosive big man we've ever seen? He never led the league in rebounds or block shots. That's an indictment in my view. And look, see what you want about Jokic PERSON, but he fills up that stat sheet in almost every box, right? And you bring up Kobe.Kobe only has one MVP. That was a 2008 year where they ended up getting blown out in the sixth game by Boston ORG. I don't even think that was his best year. There was at least two other years before all of this happened, before Pao Gassal arrived in L.A. GPE, where he had to carry guys like Smush Parker, Loran Prophet, Chris Mim PERSON. I remember those games.I mean, they're literally three weeks at a time. He's scoring 45 points a game. But the problem was, at a certain point, the MVP WORK_OF_ART became directly tied to winning. Now, you can agree or disagree with that, but that was the standard. So a guy that's on a seventh or eighth place team was never going to win it. And there was no doubt in my mind, there was a four or five year stretch where Kobe was the best player. So Jason, the questionI have for you is, when we define MVP WORK_OF_ART, what exactly do we mean? Do we mean the best statistical player, the best player in terms of ability and performance, or the one that gives you some of all of that and the intangibles and then wins games? What exactly is the definition of MVP?

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So what Shaq PERSON can argue appropriately is just about for the entire stretch of his career, he was the most valuable player. If you just take those words, no, no, no. I'm not talking about performance. But again, you put Shaq PERSON on the court at his size.He created so much space and opportunity for everybody around him. His value's indisputable. Did he perform at an MVP level all the time? No. And so he hit the genetics lottery. He's seven foot two or whatever he is.He can carry 320 pounds. There's no solution for him physically. So he was that valuable. But did it always show up on the court? And did he give people his free throw shooting and being taken off the court at the end of the games?The point that you're making is like, if Shaq PERSON wanted to be as great a rebounder as Wilk Chamberlain and Dennis Robben PERSON, all he had to do was put his mind to like that's what I wanted to do he didn't want to do that he wanted to have fun he wanted to play his way into shape he frustrated Kobe he's playing alongside all-time great players I'm telling you I love Shaq PERSON and and I understand his value. But what Shaq PERSON doesn't understand is just like, hey, man, that's great.You hit the genetics lottery. You show up in a game that values size. You create space for others. Yes, you're valuable in all of that. But did your performance actually lend itself to that? And not all the time did it.And I'm somebody that, I mean, my history of defending Shaq PERSON goes way back. I was when Kobe ran him off, I was like, Kobe, man, that's a mistake. Big dude, you know, deal with it. You know, you guys win too many championships together. But, you know, Shaq PERSON's in some denial here. And I think that part of it, and again, I know Shaq PERSON's not racist in any way.But I do think he feels like, man, these white guys are getting MVP WORK_OF_ART trophies. Steve Nash has two. Now, Yokic has three. And I'm better than them. Well, you needed to go out on the court and prove it, Shaq PERSON.

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Jason, you talk about his rehab and how we would wait until November, if not maybe October. He would say, uh, you know, that's, uh, I'm going to do this on company time. And so, okay, so you do it on company time. Well, that, that's going to hurt your performance. And this is a regular season award. Okay. So I don't want to hear that. Well, Jokic and the nuggets are going to get run off here. That may be true. But then in that case, let's have a whole referendum on Joel NBeed's MVP from last season.Now, here's the issue. Let's go back to Shaq PERSON. There's no doubt. He's one of the greatest big men ever. But I'm going to surmise as a Laker ORG fan in recess, who used to be a diehard, hardcore fan, during that first three-peat from 2000 to 2003, yes, Shaq PERSON was the most important guy. But, and you knowI'm not part of the cult of Kobe, I've made that clear. I've had my issues with him. The Lakers ORG do not get out of the West without Kobe being Bryant PERSON because in the Western Conference, which was much better than the East, there was no one else on the Lakers ORG that could beat someone off the dribble and create their own shot from the wing and the perimeter. And there's at least two years where I said to myself, without little number eight, there is no MVP in the finals for Shaqwhen he got matched up with big men that weren't nearly as good. Okay, so I think that that history to me needs to be really examined. Look, Shaq deserves credit. He was number one on that team. Kobe was not two. He was one A. They played off each other very well. But Jason, I'm going to make a prediction right now because based on what you said about Shaq getting sick of certain people winning the MVP WORK_OF_ART. There's, it's undeniable that there is a Jokic, if not a white European fatigue among people that cover the game. So with that said, short of Jokic averaging 45, 20, and 10 next year, he will not win the MVP WORK_OF_ART.They're just going to give it to like Edwards PERSON.

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Scap just made the opposite argument that Yokies are going to come back and be dominant, even more dominant next year.

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That's what he's going to have to do then.

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That's what he's going to have to do because, Jason, I recall two athletes that actually should have more MVPs than they do and they won a lot. Every year from 1988 on, which is the

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first year, I believe, Michael Jeffrey Jordan won the MVP. He was the best player every year he played. He should have won the MVP every single year because if you look by performance, impact, and influence, even years when my beloved Magic Johnson won it in 89, 90, I'll be honest with you. It was Michael Jordan PERSON. Michael Jordan PERSON was the best player. Then he went to go play baseball.And then the great Akeem Olajuwon and then David Robinson PERSON rented that trophy. Then the last three years, one of those years, you can make an argument for Carl Malone PERSON, right? But really, let's be honest, it was the guy in Chicago. So literally, Michael Jordan, in that respect, is actually underrated. Another guy, Barry Lamar Bond PERSON. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to hear about how he did it. They were all kind of doing it. There were at least one or two years that he was the best player in the National League ORG,if not all of baseball. I remember one year they gave it to Terry Pendleton, and I think another year, his teammate Jeff Kent won it. Both years, I remember thinking they really hate Barry Bonds PERSON. Let's face it, he was not a media darling, but there was also a fatigue. I think Jokic fatigue starts to set in next year, short of him having this 45 point game average. Steve PERSON, thank you so much.

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Great job, as always. We'll see you down the road. I want to give one last stat before about Shat PERSON. So in his third season, he finished second in the MVP to David Robinson PERSON. And then the next four years, and that first, that MVP is 94, 95, he's playing with Orlando GPE. The next four years, he played 54, 51, 60, and 49 games each season.He took himself out of the MVP race because he just wasn't available. You can't be the most valuable player if you're not available. 54 games, 51, 60, and 49 games. 99, 2000, he wanted to win the MVP WORK_OF_ART. He played 79 games. He won the MVP.He only played, well, take that back. He never played 79 games. He won the MVP WORK_OF_ART. He only played, well, take that back. He never played 79 games ever again, the rest of his career. The most he ever played after that was 73 games. He played 74 the next, 67, 67, 73 games, his first year in Miami GPE, and he came in second to Steve Nash and the MVP WORK_OF_ART voting in that year. The rest of his career, 59, 40, 61, 33, 28. That year in Phoenix, he played 75.Availability is very, very important, and Shaq PERSON just wasn't that available. Part of it had to do with him not being in the greatest shape, being a tiny bit injury prone. Shack ORG did it to himself. Before we transitioned the show and we beautify the set and beautify everything on camera, guys, I want to talk to you about Craftco. Since 2007, folds of honor has provided life-changing scholarships to the spouses and children of America's fallen or disabled in combat. And in 2023, this was extended to include the families of fallen first responders. They've awarded 51,000 scholarships and more than$200 million so far. And the need is still great. But together, we can make sure no qualified applicant is turned away. Flying Ace has aligned with Folds of Honor to ensure the children of our American NORP heroes receive the education and they deserve. As proud supporters of Folds of Honor, Flying Ace ORG has had the privilege of providing hope for the families of those who protected our freedom. To that end, Flying Ace ORG is proudly sponsoring four scholarships awarded quarterly this year. Please, if you can, donate today and help them make a great impact.Go to FlyingAcespirits.com or scan the QR code on the screen right now. The link is also in the show notes. When you purchase a bottle of Flying Ace, you will also be donating to Folds of Honor ORG. Make sure you use the promo code Whitlock PRODUCT and get free shipping on every order. That's Flying Ace Spirits.com promo code Whitlock PRODUCT. Stay tuned, guys.It's going to look a lot better when we return. You know how you're going to spend the first day of Pride Month? I know how I'm going to spend it honoring God, my Lord and Savior, fellowshiping with other men who are concerned about the direction of this country. I'm going to spend it right here in Nashville, Tennessee, leading roll call 2.0 alongside country music star John Rich. John and I have partnered on this annual event to inspire men to live up to their biblical responsibility of leadership. John's going to sing, I'm going to speak, so is Blaze founder Glenn Beck PERSON.We've invited basketball coaches, football players, singers, successful entrepreneurs, North Carolina Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson, pastor E.W. Jackson, author Vince Everett Ellison PERSON, and contributors of the Fearless Army to speak and fellowship with us. You can join us in Nashville GPE, June 1, or you can celebrate Pride Month. It's your choice. To join us, visit fearless army rollcall.com and reserve your spot. These are a group of women dancing with yarn, it looks like. And see if you can make sense of this.I mean, I look at a video like this and I go, someone's paying $70,000 a year for their kids to be standing around looking at this. That's a damn shame. And thinking they're doing something here that we're raising a group of nut jobs. You're just coming off stupid.

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I'm coming off as stupid.

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You're wearing tuxedos to a job that requires you to clean bathrooms.

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I mean, we're raising a group of, they're paying $70,000 a year except Ivy League school to raise yoga instructors.

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My name is George.

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I'm unemployed and I live with my parents.

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They look like deltas, actually, not light-skinned enough to be AKA.

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It's probably Delta, Delta Sigma Theta's ORG.

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Uh, whoo.

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Welcome back.

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And as I warned you before in the last segment, the show has never looked better than it's about to.

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The First Lady of the Fearless Army, Shemika Michelle, joining us from North Carolina GPE.

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In studio, Brianna Morello, she has the Brianna Morello show on Rumble and on Twitter ORG.

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You guys should be following her. And then Ari Jacob, Little Miss Jacob on YouTube ORG. She gives great advice to content creators. She used to be a talent agent for content creators. Now she's just a friend of mine and a friend of the show. Thank you, ladies, for all joining me.This is a very exciting moment for our audience. They get tired of looking at me. Now they have a perfect opportunity to totally ignore me. But I have a series of topics and questions for us to address. Please. Shemika PERSON already knows this.But don't worry about me. Don't worry about offending me. Don't worry about offending me. Don't worry about agreeing with me. Worry about just saying whatever it is you think. And I would appreciate that. It'll make the show better.So we'll just start here with my entire theory of like, I'm glad there are women in the content influencer space and in the media. But, you know, it's my desire to see women toughen up. And I'll start by talking about what happened with the ESPN ORG reporter and Patrick Beverly and NBA ORG player who bullied this woman. And I didn't like the way she handled it. I didn't like the way the crowd handled it.But I'm going to sit back and see what you ladies think. I want to play you guys this clip of Patrick Beverly PERSON bullying this woman who worked, longtime producer at ESPN ORG. This was a controversy a week ago. Let's play the clip.

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I'm serious.

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I'm sorry.

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You subscribe to my pot?

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Do I subscribe to you?

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I do not.

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You can't interview me then.

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No disrespect.

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Jamal PERSON is here.

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You subscribe?

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Okay, cool.

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That's cool.

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Again, there were a couple times within a bucket or two.

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In previous games, y'all have been able to kind of get over that hump or maybe.

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Was it anything they didn't in particular?

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Was it just one of those where the bucket didn't go down?

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There wasn't the stop. They made one. What kind of prevented that you all from able to get over? Kind of like you haven't in the past. You move that mic, please.

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Or just get out the circle, please. For me, please, ma'am. If you're not subscribed to my pod, I appreciate that. Thank you. Didn't like it. Didn't like it. Please, ma'am. If you're not subscribed to my pod, I appreciate that. Thank you.

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Didn't like it. Didn't like it. And I don't want to just put the woman in the spotlight. I didn't like the way the rest of the crowd in that circle. Everybody should have said, Are you crazy? What are you doing? And she should have never left. I've been bullied by athletes. Obviously, I'm a big man and I used to be a big, dumb idiot. And so, you know, a little bit different of a standard than some woman standing up to some athlete who's being aggressive. But I didn't like the way she handled that. I'm going to say,

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Brianna, you fire first. Your thoughts? Yeah, it was a little aggressive, I'd say. I think she stood her grounds, because honestly, let's be real. Athletes will give you a lot of credit if you stay on your ground and you go back and you push back. But when you're sitting there in your week and you kind of just bend the knee and you dripped off to the side, no one's going to respect you. But then for her colleagues, I mean, time and time again, I used to obviously work over at MLB ORG and I would be in the huddles and things like that do happen.And you have to defend your fellow journalist. I mean, you have to stick together when you can. No surprise there. I would have never backed down, though. I would have probably tossed some choice of words back his way with that heavy treatment.

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Well, I feel like I'm a rookie in this room because I have been somewhat quiet and behind the scenes representing people for many years. And I don't know her personality. Obviously, that was incredibly rude and aggressive. I just wish she kind of would have been like, oh, really? Well, your podcast's not that popular then because I didn't even heard of it.

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What is your podcast? Tell me about it because I only know about, you know, Travis Kelsey's PERSON podcast

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or whatever. Maybe it would have been funny, but I don't know her personality. But yeah,

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absolutely. I agree with you guys that that was just, and he was very clearly pointing her out of anybody else. Did he ask anybody

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else if they've followed up? It's part of his stick. He does it with the media. I think she was a tiny bit unfamiliar. The media all pounced on Patrick Beverly PERSON, but that's not the first reporter. He's done that too. He's kind of hard to read.

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Are we supposed to know everybody's sense of humor in the sports and media world? Because by the way, we just met Antonio Brown PERSON. And I'm like, okay, I get it now. But if I didn't know you, am I supposed to know what your personality is? I guess if that's your job, you know a little bit more. But yeah, I don't think that was fair.

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Tamika, what would you have done there? Well, as you know, Jason, I have been bullied in front of a lot of

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people when I had to do that black versus, that black left versus right debate. And I think initially she did good by just gathering herself and not saying anything and still holding the mic there. Once he began to push the mic and continued bullying her, I think definitely maybe people should have stepped in, but I know if I was heard, once you put your hand on my mic, I would have said something and it probably would have started out with, I know you don't like that word, but I'mjust telling you how I would have responded once he decided to get physical. I think she handled it good initially, but then he continued to press her, and he was a real butt wipe for that.

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And so you didn't finish that statement because you wouldn't have just left it there. You would have added a please at the end of that, I'm sure.

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Yes, yes.

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Please and a few more other words. And so I'm just, because again, I made my living for 25 years, 20 years, going in the locker rooms, dealing with athletes. And I was always notorious and infamous. I'm shocked, and, Shemika, I'll start with you, and then we'll hear from Ari and Brianna PERSON.I'm completely shocked that no one, no man or woman jumped in there watching that, and it was like, hey, and, you know, maybe not inward, please, but I'm like, have you lost your F and my? I can't believe no one stepped up for this woman.

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You know, I would probably say the same thing, Jason, had I not been in a situation and no man stepped up for me, I think it just depends on the type of men that were in the room. Some men are not confrontational or some men feel like it's not even their job to protect a woman that's not their wife or their girlfriend. I know there are certain men that in that situation when the guy thought he could talk to me any kind of way, there are certain men in my life that would have handled that.And he would have never spoken to any woman like that again. But some men just aren't that way. So I'm not surprised. Had you asked me this question two years ago, I might have been shocked. But I see men every day that just tuck their tails and cower and just don't stand up. I can't blame them.

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I mean, look at what happens a little time when men try to intervene. We see it all time on subways in New York City GPE that get into all these fights. You don't want to get in the crosshair. And most men nowadays kind of bow out. It's kind of an old school thing to think that you have to stand up for women and to intervene in those types of situations. So I understand why a lot of them don't. But also,sports writers really aren't the toughest. Yeah, I don't know too much about the sports writer world.

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I just know that media in general is pretty cutthroat. I wonder if these people are just looking out for themselves. I want the time with this person and I don't really care. I'm surprised nobody thought that wasn't going to go viral because to me it would have immediately been like, did he do this on purpose? Like, did he think he didn't seem like it was joking at all? I mean, at first, maybe I would guess that I would be a little bit shocked.Maybe he was joking and kind of back off. But if I were there, I would have been like, this is going viral tomorrow.

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You know what? This reminds me of something, y'all have no reason to remember or know, but I wasn't thinking about it beforehand. But there's, and you guys and Justin PERSON or David Reed, maybe you can look up what was written about me when LeVar Ball and Christine Leahy PERSON got into a. Lovar Ball is the father, notorious NBA ORG dad, two kids at Lamello and Lanzo in the NBA. He was kind of a hot air guy that would go on ESPN and Fox Sports all the time, say all these outrageous things. He got into a conflict with a woman that worked on Colin Cowherd's show, Christine Leahy PERSON.She was Calhurt's sidekick, and LeVar PERSON kind of got aggressive with her, and they went back and forth. And I didn't think LeVar was way out of bounds, but I'm looking at Christine Leahy PERSON. She's probably 26 years old. And so I think it was either that day or the next day. I went on Calhirt's show and I defended Christine Leahy and attacked Levin PERSON' ball. Like, hey, man, grown man.He's like 50 years old, a little 25, 26 year old. And I'm just speaking locker room style, like 25, 26 year old white girl. Why are you bullying her? And I called him out on it. And then everybody dumped on me and said, oh, how dare you cape up for this blonde white woman? But that's not what I was thinking in the time.I wasn't thinking, you know, people would like you like Christine Leahy PERSON, blah, blah, blah. It was just like, not this is, why is this man picking on this young woman? She's not, she's saying something. She didn't like his parenting style with his two kids, which was not an uncommon opinion among people in the sports media world, but I did take a lot of flak for defending Christine Leahy PERSON. I took, I moved the conversation away from her and put iton me. And people from Charlemagne the God PERSON to everybody just started criticizing and dissing me. So there is some risk. If men are like being programmed not to follow their instincts. And our instincts are to defend women. And so if that had been Shemika PERSON or if that had been anybody, I would have been like, hey, man, cut this out. You know, you want to fight with somebody.You know, fight with me. I'm the experienced person. I'm the person that says really aggressive opinions. She's a cowherd sidekick. She's just starting her career off. But yeah, people, I've taken a lot of crap for that for a long time.Yeah.

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I would just say that I'm not even sure if it's necessarily a men-defending women thing. Sometimes it's just alliances in media. When I got into a tussle with the New York Times, I was very surprised that I had friends at Latin NORP stations that I thought, okay, well, I was born in Mexico City. I'm a Latino NORP woman with a business. Why won't they share my side of the story? And their alliances with either the reporter, with the New York Times,you know, there's also alliances, I feel like, that we don't always know about why somebody doesn't want to get in the middle of something that doesn't have anything to do with them, to stand up for somebody.

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Yeah, I mean, it's the new world that we live in. No one's going to stick their neck out for you. You've got to be able to defend yourself and defend your grounds. And, you know, you took a lot of flack. I don't think a lot of people want to deal with that. And I think, especially with you coming out and. And, you know, you took a lot of flack. I don't think a lot of people want to deal with that. And I think, especially with you coming out and saying it, people probably saw that. A lot of journalists saw that and don't want to be the next one under fire.Just the new world we live in.

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Yeah, let's be clear.

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Go ahead.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I didn't have an issue with him saying that to her until he started to push the mic away because we know

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most women cannot beat a man so what could she have done physically to defend herself that to me

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is when he crossed the line now as a woman myself i can go back and forth with you i can have a

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verbal spar but once you start to push your weight around as a man,

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that to me makes you bitch.

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And that's when I had a problem.

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Because what could she do

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once he started, get that mic out of my face? She couldn't really buck up at him because how do we know how he would have responded? So for me, that's when it crossed the line. I thought it was fine initially when he was just running off at the mouth. Did you put, you know, are you subscribed to my podcast?But at the point where he was trying to push the mic out of his face and stuff, I thought that was too far. And I do feel like some man in the room should have said something because there was nothing that she could say or do to defend herself at that time.

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So take the media out of it and Shemika PERSON just started just as women.

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We have a culture and maybe I'm wrong here, but we have a culture that is programming, pressuring, have a culture that is programming, pressuring, inducing men to go away from just defending women and feeling like, hey, let me open this door. Let me make sure you're safe. There's this, people fleeing, and again, this is a global culture where this is going on, not just in America GPE, but we can see it here in America. But remember the picture of the iconic photo of the people fleeing Afghanistan GPE when we pulled out and they showed how many men were actually on that plane?

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Yeah, it was all men.

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And then they, someone compared it to, go look at the stats of the Titanic PRODUCT. So if we go the clockback, 100 100 years and go look at who survived the Titanic PRODUCT, the Titanic. Men chose to die to save women as it relates to the Titanic tragedy. That culture is now gone. And so just as women, not as media people or whatever, do y'all feel that like, man, they really turning men into cowards and men don't have our back?

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I think that's what it's supposed to do. I mean, I think that's the setup for everything these days. You know, they don't want men to defend women. They try to weaken our men. They try to discourage them. I mean, the whole feminist movement in itselfis a way to kind of weaken men and to push forward that females could be independent and act independently. So no surprise there. I mean, I don't agree with it at all. I love a great strong man and I support them and I hope that they support us, but it's just not like that anymore. I mean, things are just completely different. They've shifted and it's discouraging, yes, but it's just, it's really upsetting.But I think this is the setup. This is what they want from our men. They want to weaken our men.

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I mean, I guess maybe I live a little bit too online. And I don't, like, I haven't experienced it as my, in a way that I can remember right now this moment. I've always kind of been a guy's girl. I get along. I've been in business. I've had mentors that are men.And so, you know, I actually had a lot more experiences negative with women. But like in this situation, even though you said, don't think about media, or the media side of it, I just remembered when Dylan Dennis was attacking Logan Paul's PERSON wife or fiancé, whatever she was at the time. And I'm like a smaller account on Twitter ORG. And I'm like a smaller account on Twitter ORG. And I'm, I was just defending, I think I forget her name, but I was defending her.And, you know, immediately he reposted and all this stuff. But the whole thing is that he was posting all these pictures of people she had dated. I mean, he was attacking her. And people loved it. So what people on the outside are seeing is this works. This is how you get famous. You do things that are inappropriate, mean, misogynistic, whatever the word is, let's just do that because it works. It gets attention. And his tweets were getting millions and millions of views. So the young people out there that are looking up to,I want to be famous, I want to get attention, those are the types of events, people that they're looking up to. And I think that's why the culture is probably shifting this way.

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So, me final saying, I'm going to move on to a different topic. Yeah, I will say that I do think

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it's been designed for men to be a lot more weaker than they used to be. And just to be fair, I'll say that some of that falls on women. We do have a big group of women that feel like, you know, I'm equal to a man. I don't need a man. I can do this by myself. And there are a lot of women who put themselves in situations where I don't think men should actually die behind it.If you tell your woman, don't go here and she goes and something happens, or if she is running off at the mouth when she could just be quiet and something happened, I think that there are times when women do put themselves in positions that men should not step in. when women do put themselves in positions that men should not step in. But just looking at this particular situation, I don't see where she had done anything to provoke him and to get what he gave her. But there are times that women do provoke men. And of course, I don't feel a man should put his life on the line for a woman that can't shut up. course, I don't feel a man should put his life on the line for a woman that can't shut up.

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All right, we're going to move on somewhat in the same lane. Greg Doyle went viral last week. He's a columnist for the Annapolis Star ORG, a sports columnist for the Annapolis Star. It's been infamous in the sports writing lane for a long time. He's a bit socially awkward. So when I saw this story last week or when this happened last week or 10 days ago, Caitlin Clark, the WMBA player, the college basketball star, has her first press conference in Indiana as the newest member of the Indiana fever, the number one overall draft pick. And Greg Doyle did something awkward as a first question.And now it's come out this week that the Indianapolis Star has suspended him for two weeks. And as the top sports column is at the Indianapolis Star ORG, he's not going to be allowed to cover her games this summer this season. Seems like a bit of an overreaction, but I want to play you all the interaction between Doyle and Caitlin Clark PERSON, and then there was a big, quick social media reaction that I thought kind of blew it out of proportion. I don't agree with what Doyle did here, but it seemslike a bit of an overaction. Let's play the clip. Hi.

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Caitlin, Greg Doyle, Indy Star ORG, real quick. I'll let me do this. You like that?

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I like that you're here.

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I do that at my family after every game, so.

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Okay, well, let's start doing it to me and we'll be on get along just fine.

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That's what he did.

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Twitter ORG came after him because he's not a likable guy.

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He is awkward.

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He kind of leaned into the controversy.

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I think he ended up writing a column about it and apologized it.

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And he did a bunch of little awkward things.

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They've suspended him for two weeks. He can't cover her games. Is this an overreaction, Brea PERSON?

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Yeah, of course it is. I mean, listen, if we can't, if women want to be respected in the sports world, whether you're a player or you're in the media, you got to stop being so sensitive. He's not being sexual. He's being just pretty benign, I think, just throwing up a heart sign. Something that she does, it adds humor to it.He's probably trying to, as an awkward person, trying to find some middle ground before he jumps into with his questions. I don't see anything wrong with it. We've got to stop being so sensitive and suspending men for saying stuffor doing things like that that are really just innocent. We've become way, way too sensitive as a society. That's a lot.

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I'm going to take the other side, guys. I haven't been here for very long, but I do pay attention. And Caitlin Clark is the Taylor Swift PERSON of women's sports. And you know what? We do not mess with Taylor Swift PERSON. We do not mess with Caitlin Clark because the Swifties PERSON will come for you.The whatever the Clark PERSON sees, whatever you want to call them, are going to come for you. I feel like in media, in culture right now, I've never even heard. The only thing I heard about women's basketball, to be completely honest, is when the women's basketball player was stuck in Russia. That's the only thing I ever heard. And now we have America GPE's sweetheart. I represented Charlie Demilio. I mean, she was America's sweetheart. And if people were bullying Charlie, I mean, TikTok ORG would just take that video off. And you know what? I'm just saying I'm not going to mess with Caitlin Clarkbecause she's now become a cultural icon. And I do agree, I don't think he probably should have been suspended. But, you know, I think when she said, oh, you like that, it's like, sir, please calm your hormones or whatever's going on to be like, oh, yeah, we'll be good. It was awkward. But, yeah, you can't even be a creep around Caitlin Clark because she's the Taylor Swift PERSON of women's sports. Rebecca PERSON.

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Taylor and Caitlin PERSON both bleed once a month.

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They are normal, regular people. So I thought he was being a cornball,

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but she's a grown woman. If he was saying this maybe to a nine-year-old, it would seem like,

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oh my God, he's creepy, but he didn't sniff her. We've seen worse from the president of the

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United States. So to me, yes, it was awkward, but I don't think it was worth a suspension at all because he really didn't say anything out of the way. And even if he was flirting, she's grown.

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And so I just think that it was an overreaction. Just we're just doing too much.

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I don't like Greg Doyle PERSON at all. And we got a tiny bit of a personal history. Most of it one side. He'll try to troll me or try to, you know, he'll get into some kind of trouble and say, and basically he'll tweet out something or say something like, no, but Whitlock PRODUCT's the real bad guy. Be mad at him or whatever.I don't like him. But I think we've completely overreacted here. This was nothing that they turned into something. And if I would say, even if I were, if I were Caitlin Clark PERSON, I would correct this. I would say, I would be like, hey, guys, your top sports comments can't cover my games because we had an awkward three seconds. You know, I think that's a win for her.You're the brand spokesperson or whatever. That could be a win for her coming to his defense and saying, hey, this is too far. We can handle this as adults. He's learned as a lesson. He can cover our games. That's a win for Caitlin Clark PERSON.

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You may be right, and she could have handled it that way, but I think they are trying to

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brand her as America GPE's sweetheart, do not mess with her.

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And so I worked in hospitality when I lived in San Diego GPE, and so the bottle girls were, you know, kind of revealing clothing and they bring the bottles. And sometimes I'll never forget, because we had this manager who, it didn't matter if the people were spending, you know, $10,000, $20,000 at the table. If they, now, this was usually like something went too far. If they touched the girl, or if they did really say something so disrespectful, I mean, it didn't matter how manybottles you got, you were out the door. And what I saw from like a team perspective is the girls felt respected. Like no amount of money is going to let me get disrespected. And I felt, and I saw it, that the women felt protected and just part of the team. So maybe that's what the team is trying to do with Caitlin Clark PERSON and the rest of the team and women's sports. So it just to me seems like a brand strategy that they are trying to make these girls like the All-American.We're not going to mess around any funny business. If you say something to try to get attention in a negative way, like you're out of here. And I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I just think that's what the strategy is.

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Strategy I disagree with, perhaps. I don't know.

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I think the WMBA needs all the attention you could get, and so you're probably not going to want to kick out all the reporters. You never want to stay there. So I don't understand why you kick the guy out. You need all the coverage you can get. No one's watching.

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It's, well, they're going to be watching the Indiana GPE fever. Caitlin's first game, I think, is tonight. A regular season game is tonight. But you have hit on something, Ari, that the WMBA is a woke league. And it's filled with feminists. And it's filled with LGBTQ feminists.And so them perhaps going overboard, pressuring the Annapolis GPE newspaper or whatever, probably makes sense for the typical brand and culture of the WMBA. We're the angry feminist and we're drawing a line in the sand and how dare you do anything that's two seconds of creepiness?We don't want it. We don't want it to happen to any of our other players, so we've got a man we can punish and say, they're going to bad guy. I don't think that's the smart play for the WNBA ORG. If you look at their draft night,they just had their biggest, most important draft ever where all the women primarily that got drafted at night all presented themselves in a very feminine way that everybody loved. And everybody was like, oh, man, I watch women play basketball. I don't want to watch women that think they're men playing basketball. I want to watch women that think they're men playing basketball. I want to watch women that are happy being women. And that's been a great pivot for the WMBA and has led to, so I think the WNBA ORG is a little bit schizophrenic right now. They've had this old ID or identitywhere the angry women and we're all Megan Rapino PERSON inside and Caitlin Clark and his new group or Angel Reese PERSON represents something else I'm going to go back to this is a mistake for the WNBAthis is old school WNBA we're angry feminist how dare this man in any way flirt with us doesn't he know we hate men?

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I mean, I agree. I disagree. Go ahead. Yeah, Shamaic PERSON. No, I was just going to say, I agree.

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This was old school WMBA rhetoric, you know, because if we're going to be taking a different

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approach, if these women are going to be taking a different approach, if these women

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are going to be coming out looking like women, men flirt. That's just what they do. And I don't like the way that we have over the years acted as if men shouldn't flirt, men shouldn't look at us, men shouldn't tell us that we're beautiful. Men like what they see sometimes, things, you know, that are appealing to the eye, men respond. So in my opinion, Caitlin PERSON is not all that much of a looker to me. She should have felt very good that this man was even saying, hey, do this to me. That's just my opinion.I don't like the idea that we've made men feel like they're thirsty or they can't compliment us. I hate when a man says, I hope this doesn't offend you, but you look beautiful. It should never offend us. And I think we should just let people be people. I don't think he crossed the line. And I do think the response was angry feminist.It's the blue-haired, pink-haired, fat, ugly woman response. And I think they should have done better. All right.

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You're going to defend that?

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I just think it's not that deep. I don't think it's about wokenness. I don't think it's about angry feminists. I think it's like the WMBA has an opportunity to be an all-American brand that's inclusive, that young people look up to these women. And if, you know, they want them to have this fan base that's protective of Caitlin and the other players just like Taylor PERSON Swift fans are protective of Taylor. Like, for example, if you, if Taylor Swift PERSON is friends with somebody and that personfollows Scooter Braun PERSON on Instagram, the Swifties go nuts. Why is he following Scooter Braun? Because Taylor has beef with Scooter Braun PERSON. So they go nuts over it because they're protecting and it's the fandom. And so it's this understanding of how cultural and fandoms are built. And Charlie DeMilleo PERSON is another great example. She came up kind of out of nowhere.

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For those of us that are old charts, who's Charlie DeMilio PERSON?

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Charlie DeMilio is the biggest TikTok ORG star. She came up on TikTok in 2019. I think she makes $17 million a year, or her family does.

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She has a Hulu ORG show about her family,

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about being a content creator.

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She does brand deals. I saw she has a Dunkin' Donuts ORG. She was in the Dunkin' Donuts ORG commercial with all those stars in the Super Bowl EVENT. Addison Ray, another one I represented. She was also in the Super Bowl EVENT.So the reason why they went to superstardom is because all these brands are like, this is the American dream now for young people. They want to be the Charlie Demilia PERSON. They don't see themselves as, you know, young men used to see themselves of like, I want to be Michael Jordan PERSON. That dream looks very hard to accomplish if you're not tall, if you're not all these things. But to be a social media star, well, Charlie PERSON did it. And what was she before? She was just going to high school.to be a social media star, well, Charlie PERSON did it, and what was she before? She was just going to high school. So I think that these young people idolize, you know, these social media stars. And so I think probably the people around Caitlin are seeing the attention that she's getting,we could make her that, that next Charlie DeMilleo, Taylor Swift PERSON. And I think it's a good strategy, honestly. I would wanna keep the negativity away. I wouldn't want to have people, attention is a currency in the day that we live in today. So if you're allowing negative attention into the realm, well, basically you're allowing that money to be spent, that currency. So if you say, I'm only going to allow positive currency around these women, I just think

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it's a strategy and I don't think it's a bad one, but it's my opinion. I just have one correction

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for Ari. Just one correction. She said the swifties will go nuts. I want to say the swifties

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are nuts. That's the only correction that I have. Everything else you said was right.

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You know, they love attention.

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And these kids do see social media stars and think I can do that.

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So I do agree with that.

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Let's move on to a topic where we're probably all going to agree,

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although Ari PERSON will probably be most passionate in her agreement. We'll talk a little bit about Taylor Lorenz and just how dangerous she is or how much. And I may want to juxt— Now, I don't want to juxtapose to anything else. But let's watch Taylor Wrens as the former New York Times ORG.Maybe she's still with the Washington Post ORG. She's one of the most infamous alleged journalist in the world. She tried to cancel Ari at one point. We'll get into that, I'm sure. But here's Don Lemon PERSON, of all people. Shutting down Taylor Lorenz PERSON.Let's watch this.

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Well, then, Taylor PERSON, how do you reconcile the way marginalized groups?

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Many of the people in these marginalized groups, obviously they are fighting for Palestine GPE,

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for the Palestinians and for what's happening in Gaza GPE.

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But yet, in Gaza GPE, they would not have any freedom.

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They don't have freedoms in Texas and Florida GPE.

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Does that mean we should put on Texas GPE?

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Taylor PERSON, I'm a member of the LGBT community.

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If I go to Texas GPE,

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they're not going to throw me off of a roof. They're not going.

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Don Lemon PERSON making an accurate point for once, does that make us feel better about Don Lemon PERSON? Are we just celebrating that Taylor Lorenz PERSON? Everybody beats up on Taylor Lorenz PERSON. Free for all on Taylor Lorenz. I'll let you gons. Free-for-all on Taylor-Lorens ORG. I'll let you go first.

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I don't have the honor. You know what, guys, I will say some I've never said in any other interview. So you heard it here first. I forgive Taylor Lorenz PERSON. I'm a Christian NORP. And you know what?I really pray for her because she has a lot of issues, in my opinion. I don't think she's necessarily a very happy person. She said online that she's skipped multiple holidays with her family for the last four years because she's very concerned about getting sick. She said she's immunocompromised. Anyway, so Taylor PERSON, I forgive you.I don't even know if you care, but I do. But outside of that, I do think that it's important people can recognize the type of characteristics that Taylor PERSON has because Taylor is a type of fake journalist and cry bully that basically feigns victimhood to attack other people. I don't know if it's to get more famous or because she actually disagrees with them. But regardless, I just think that people should know that this is kind of the caricature of how somebody in the media acts when they are deceptive and dishonest and malicious.And so that if you meet somebody like that in your career, in your day today, that you can stay away from them and know how to survive them, you know, survive if they come and attack you. So, yeah. Yeah, it was interesting.

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I didn't know that was Taylor because I didn't see her mask on, so I didn't recognize her at first.

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It's kind of crazy with her without a mask on, but honestly, the crazier part was Don Lemon PERSON being

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on the right side of this issue. I mean, the fact that he's even admitting that, like, he would be killed in Palestine GPE rather

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than in Texas GPE.

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It's pretty bizarre because he's very dramatic most of the time, and he's usually pretty off.

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So it's interesting to hear him say that.

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I mean, Taylor PERSON just, it seems like she just wants to be on the right, the furthest left side

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of things, and that's the reason why she was talking about this issue.

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It didn't make any sense. And so I don't think Don PERSON really had a choice. He had to correct her because it was completely inaccurate what she was saying.

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Jamaica, you have any thoughts on? Oh, go ahead. Yeah, when it comes to Don Lemon PERSON, I think even

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a broken clock is right twice a day. So, I mean, I'm not shocked. And when it comes to Lorenz,

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I need someone to check to see if she's a Swifty.

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It's something in the eyes.

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I just need somebody to find that out for me.

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She's not a Swifty, but she's somewhat, she's lost.

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What was she doing at the Porn Award EVENT?

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What is?

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Diseases that goes there.

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Yeah, she, yeah.

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I was showing you that she went on the

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No Jumper podcast where

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it's very adult entertainment owned by these guys that are in adult entertainment. And anyway, she gets asked why she's so why the immunocompromising, why she's always talkingabout COVID. And she starts ranting about all these things, but she says, oh, yeah, and by the way, I got COVID outside. It's like, how do you know you got COVID outside, Ms? Like, did you, like, have a microscope and you know where the germs are? I mean, nobody knows at what exact moment they got COVID. So the fact that she says that should just discredit anything else she has to say in that conversation.Yeah.

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But there's this video, she's a journalist. Journalist. Is she still with the Washington Post ORG?

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So she left the New York Times. I think that was her big prestigious thing. And then I filed a defamation lawsuit against Taylor Lorenz PERSON. And within three days or so of her, of us filing the lawsuit, she actually stopped tweeting. And she used to tweet incessantly. So my gut tells mesomebody at New York Times ORG was like, you really need to stop your crazy tweeting because you're, you already got us in a lawsuit. And I think she couldn't handle not tweeting because she was silent basically on social media for many, many months. And then it was like, oh, announcement, I'm at Washington Post ORG. So I'm going to help go ahead and take credit for her leaving New York Times ORG. You're welcome, everybody.But yeah, she's at the Washington Post ORG.

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So she's at the Washington Post ORG. I used to work for corporate media places. I just don't know if you, when I worked in corporate media, I couldn't show up at porn awards. I couldn't be on videos dancing at some point. And I think, do we have the video or we have the pictures of her?

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And so I just don't understand, and she's mask up and whatever these porn awards are.

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What is it about these kooky people and their connection to sexual perversion. And just, I just don't understand how a journalist, well, yeah, I'm going to be at a porn deal. I'm going to be pictured, dancing, and celebrating at some point. I don't, she is hard for me to fathom. This is one again where I always go, like, she's a plant.

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She, she's, they called her at Diddy's house. They got her on camera at Dittie PERSON's house. And now they got puppet strings on her. And she's probably in some way connected to Joe, she showers with Joe Biden PERSON.

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Allegedly.

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One obvious connection, you know, peel back the curtain of the entertainment world, you know about it is talent agencies, right?

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So your talent agent is the one that's booking you on a deal, has helping you get a book deal, and connecting you with other people that they represent. So one of the things that I found out is that Taylor Lorenz is represented by United Talent Agency ORG. She was at least, and they got her a book deal. That's why when I lost my business because of her article, many of my clients left and were signed at UTA ORG. So, you know, and talent agencies are notoriously cutthroat, I think, in the entertainment industry, so it may not just be them, but in just this particular situation, but if you go back and look at Don Lemon's PERSON guests onhis show and who they're represented by, it's like, Kara Swisher, she's got a page on UTA ORG. It's, you know, the last, I think, several people that he's had on his podcast are all UTA ORG. So who knows? Maybe UTA ORG has a stake in the porn awardsor something like that. You never know. Somebody should dig into that. I'll pass.

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I might.

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This is business research.

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Let me move on to another female influencer that's always in the news cycle.

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I want to stay on record.

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I'm a fan of Pearl, Davis, pearly thing.

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She's been on my show twice. She's been here in

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studio with me. But I also look at a lot of things that Pearl PERSON does. And, you know, I kind of

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grit my teeth and go, Pearl PERSON, what are you doing? She's bickering back and forth with people that I like,

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Lauren Chin, Ali Best Stucky PERSON or whatever. She's got a really strident narrative on what she calls tradcom women or tradcom wives or what I just, you all's thoughts, and Shemika, I'm going to let you go first here. Your thoughts on Pearl Davis PERSON?

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You know, Pearl doesn't bother me simply because I think she's 27, 28 years old. By the time I was 27, 28, I was married. I had children. My second one was on the way. I had a house. I had everything that I feel like she really desires.So she doesn't bother me. Also, because she makes these general statements, and I'm smart enough to add my own quantitative words to that. So when she says you're ugly at this age, you look better, and men don't want middle-aged women, that's really to me a smart tactic because most people can't add those statements for themselves to know that it's most or many or some men don't want middle age women. And I think she does a good job in getting people fired up. But for me, it doesn't bother me because even at my age now, I don't have that issue withme and finding me attractive. So I think generally her statements are true. I think I do, I truly did look better 30 years ago than I do now, but I just don't have a man issue. So it doesn't bother me. It doesn't make me upset. And I think she's smart enough to know that the way she words things gets people all riled up. And it's making her very popular.

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Brianna, you first, because I got a specific question for Ari PERSON. Yeah. I just don't understand why.

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I mean, I understand. It's all clickbait, right? So everyone says these things. And they're crazy. They're wild. And they get people interested and intrigued, and they want to follow her, or they want to debate back and forth. It seems jealousy, some of the things that she says, because she's not living up to her own set of standardsthat she publicly says. When it comes to being a young woman, the whole virgin part that she constantly brings up, that men are looking for someone close to a virgin, it doesn't add up to her own personal life. So it's a little strange how she has those takes.There was another tweet, I actually forwarded over to you, it was deleted, her saying that girls at 16 are more attractive than 26 year olds, that's been removed. It's strange, it's bizarre, I don't understand it. I think, you know, we live in interesting times where a lot of people say crazy thingsto get people interested. And I think that's what it is, but I also think a lot of it's jealousy. I get people interested. And I think that's what it is. But I also think a lot of it's jealousy. I mean, I'm used to being around women, and I know women tend to say things when they're aggressive and they're mean. It's because there's something wrong in their life that they're personally upset about.

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Can a woman, because this is what I find interesting about Pearls PRODUCT, she's built a very good following by being a brawler. She brawls with everybody. Is that sustainable, you think, for a female

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influencer? It's funny that you say that because I don't know how in the realm of the internet, I got connected to her. And I just so happened to be, I guess, saying a point that she believed in, so she kept tweeting what I was saying. And I guess by association, a lot of people in that tradcon ORG social media world, I think were angry at me. And I ended up having a conversation with her, and I asked Pearl PERSON that. I said, well, you're going to be 30 soon.By the way, I'm not going to say my age, but I'm single. I have a partner, but I am single and unmarried and don't have kids. So I am the person that you might say Pearl PERSON is talking to when she's saying, let's say, mean things or triggering things.But I don't get triggered by them, because I know that even if it were true, which I don't believe it is, I'm the exception anyway. So I'm not going to get mad about that. I know that if you really want to do something with your life and you want to meet someone, then go out and meet someone. I have a lot of thoughts about that as well.But anyway, what I realized is that I think people don't really know where Pearl is coming from. She doesn't really talk a lot about her personal life. I think she did one interview with like a therapist or something like that. It's on YouTube ORG. And everybody has is coming from some place. And if you don't give them, if you automatically react to them antagonistically, you're never going to find out what is the humanity inside them. And listen, I'm not saying you have to like her or dislike her, but it was interesting for me hearing a little bit more about her story.And again, I would never want to manage her respectfully. But if I was her manager, I'd say, like, you know, what is your plan? And she didn't really know. She just said, I worked really hard to build what I built. She was doing those roundtables, kind of like the whatever podcast or whatever. And I think that type of stuff gets boring because it's just kind of brain rot at some point.And so she kind of got into another thing of basically defending men. But instead of defending men, now she's just like women shouldn't vote. And so she says these things for the rage bait of it all. But I think at her core, she believes something. And like there is something she believes in and what she's saying, but she does it in a very, like, audacious way so that she can get attention.

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So, and tell me if I'm being sexist or stupid, but it's like, I'm considered polarizing, and I'm good with that. Can a woman influencer be polarizing and that be their brand and also be happy. And maybe I'm just being sexist here and saying like, I can be polarizing. I'm a man.I can handle it. I don't know if a woman would want to be this polarizing because, again, I look at the way women react and I'm speaking in general. It's like they get mean tweets and it seems to hurt them a lot more than the mean tweets that I get. And so I'm asking any of you all. A lot more

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lucrative to be positive. That's for sure because she has gotten demonetized on YouTube ORG. I don't

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know the story, you know, the lore of what happened, but I'm a brand person. You have to remember

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this. So I'm thinking, like, I want to work with the big brands.

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I mean, just as a person, I am a more positive person.

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I will speak the truth, and I try to speak out if people are getting bullied unfairly and that type of thing. But at the same time, like, I would like my brand to be positive because then it's not just more lucrative. It's just, that's going to be my legacy. If you're okay with your legacy being the villain, and I don't understand that point of view,so I don't know. Maybe some people are okay with it. I've certainly represented people in the past that were villains only because they saw, oh, this is what everybody's going to make me, so I'm going to be the best villain ever, and I'm going to monetize that. Do I think those people are happy? Not in my experience of knowing them.

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You forced me into a good answer. Hold for one second, Jamaica GPE, and then chime in. I don't, and I'm going deep here or deeper than where we have been. I don't think it's healthy for a woman to carry as much negative energy around as a man does because a woman carries a child in her womb and you start pumping that negative energy, that anxiety that people feel, you start pumping thatinto a child. I think it's unhealthy for a child. And like people are in denial of just fundamental differences between men and women. And we should have different roles because we have, we're different. Again, you start carrying the child inside you rather than just fat like me. That's a whole different exercise, discipline requires a different set of energy. And that's where, again, I just say, I agree.Women want or everybody wants to be like, but I think it's even more important for a woman to come into a room and feel like, hey, you know, everybody's good with me. I'm not in danger here. There's no one sitting around thinking about, you know, blah, blah. When I know, I've been walking around for a lot of long time. And it's not that I want to be the villain, but I know that when you tell the kind of bold, uncompromising truths that a Matt Walsh PERSON tells orI tell, you're going to get some blowback in heating. And I just got to deal with that. I don't want, I don't think it's proper for women to carry that burden. That may be the sexism in me, but it's just how I feel. And that's why I just think, like, Pearl PERSON, she can't be happy. Who wants to be fighting?Wake up every day and I'm fighting on Twitter ORG. Shania PERSON, you jump in.

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Then, Brianna PERSON, I want your reaction.

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Yeah, I think it's okay to be polarizing if that's authentic for you.

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If she's truly being authentic, then I think it could last. When you're not being authentic, something is going to be a breakdown. There's going to be a breakdown somewhere. Either you're going to have to keep pretending for years just so you can be polarizing or that brand is going to change. Because what I know for sure, and this goes to your point, Jason, once you have children, once you, first of all, once you find a man that you love, there is going to be a certain softness. There's going to be a certain happiness that you exude, that nobody, that you can'thide. So to me, I think if Pearl PERSON is just being authentic, which I don't think she is, I think this is just her shtick and she knows that it's going to get clicks and make money. If you're being authentic, that's fine and you can last. But when you are just doing something for the money and you're having to pretend, that's going to get hard at some point. Whether it's because you're tired of trying to pretend because your life is not matching what you're putting out there online, or if people are just going to say, you know what, this isn't real and I'm just not interested anymore.

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Yeah, there's a way to push back on the whole feminist movement without being overly aggressive and putting women down. And I think she misses that constantly. The audience specifically to me seems like it's an audience of men who are bitter about maybe a bad breakup and they just all generalize women after that. It just seems like that's what her audience is. It's not trying to pull women over and say, hey, listen, feminism is toxic. Why don't you guys come over here andlet's start doing some more traditional things. I actually do believe that women need to start going back to our traditional roots. and I truly do believe in that. But then you see her attacking women who I would say are positive role models for others, and I just don't think that is good at all.

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I think Pearl PERSON, my interactions with her showed me that I think she just doesn't have that many girlfriends, right? And because people aren't willing to maybe talk to her outside of the internet or whatever they don't really get to know her and um you can't you're uh you're a product of the people around you right and so if you're around people that are just um antagonistic towards you or just yesmen to you because they're on your show or whatever you're never going to have somebody that's going to tell you the truth because they care about you. And also, maybe they, for me, it's like, I see the negativity that's putting into the world. And I actually think she's really smart. And I think that some of her intelligence statements that she could make are overshadowed by the kind of nasty things she says.And for example, like we agreed on a subject, but she was calling the other person like a horror and all these words, which I would never use to make a statement. And one of the occasions, she got something wrong, and I texted her and I said, hey, you got this wrong, and she corrected it.So how can she get better if she doesn't have better people in her life? And so for the people that were mad at me for talking to her, I am glad that I talk to her. And by the way, I am a spicy Latina NORP and I will say my point, but I'm not going to overshadow that with bad words. And it's like a low blow. You almost are just discredding yourself by not bringing that intelligence because I do see her, I know that the marriage system for men is very difficult. It is, if you get a divorce and you're a man, there's all sorts of things that happen. I mean, and I've seen that multiple, multiple times. So if that was going to be who she's going to stand up for, then do it in an intelligent and articulate waythat's not just trashing people for fun.

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All right, Pearl, that's all the help I can give you today. I want to move on to Shaquille O'Neal's PERSON wife said something interesting that I would love to get you all's reaction to. She did an interview, I believe, or wrote something for essence. She's got a book coming out where she says, looking back, Shawani PERSON is her name. Looking back, I don't know that I was ever really in lovewith the man, but I was in love with the idea of being married to the man I had a family with. I was in love with the idea of building a life together. I truly did enjoy spending time with him, she's talking about Shaquille O'Neill. NBA ORG road trips allowed me to be with my husband and experience the NBA life for a little while. What do we, is, is she saying like I was in love with the money, the fame, and really wasn't in love with the man?Should we be upset with her for acknowledging this, or she just being real and transparent and talking about the way she felt at a different stage in their life? Shack ORG responded very maturely and said and responded back that, yeah, I don't blame her for not being in love with the man that she was married to. He was basically saying, I wasn't a good person. But do you have any problems or what should we read into what Shoney O'Neill?I think her last name is now Henderson PERSON, or she's gone back to her maid named Henderson. Briani PERSON, fire a problem with what she's saying?

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They have kids, and that's the part I feel really heartbroken about, because my parents love each other dearly and they're together. And it's probably one of my favorite moments of my childhood is always seeing my parents together and just always loving each other. And I think hearing her say that about their father, I think is going to have devastating effects on them. Whether they're older now, I think it's just a heartbreaking thing to have to hear. I think he handled it like a class act.From what I've been told in the past, though, there was some infidelity issues involved there. And so that might have made her a little numb and have that kind of a cold reaction to it. It's heartbreaking. And I don't know why she'd publicly say that. I think we put too much out there for the world to have to listen to. It's our personal relationships, how we deal with one another. I don't have to say everything about our interactions. I don't have to have the world know what our marriage was like, but for some reason we're saying it now either just to say itor saying it to sell a book. And I don't think it's acceptable to do to other people. I think we should all have a little bit of kindness and not do that. If you want to have a discussion, have that discussion with somebody one-on-one. But putting it out there for everyone else to judge, I just don't think is acceptable. I don't know.

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I'm a little torn because I do think it's an authentic thing to say. I worked with celebrities a lot of my career, and I guess there's a level of, like, power. Like, I actually, did she say she didn't love him or she said?

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I don't know that I was ever really in love with the man, is what she said.

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So, like, I had, I've had an experience, not with anybody an athlete or celebrity, but I've had an experience with somebody where I felt like they were powerful and they, I felt like they loved me. And so I didn't really, I don't think I had ever been in love. And so I think that the attention, I felt like Cinderella PERSON, like somebody was sweeping me off my feet and treating me like a princess. And my whole life, you know.

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Or Biden PERSON?

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No, no. I know I heard that rumor too.

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No, don't start rumors. I'm joking.

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But looking back now, I would say the same thing.

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Now, I never married that man.

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I don't have children with that person.

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And so, but I think that, and it was,

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at that time I thought I was in love,

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but I didn't realize what love was.

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And so I think that there's some level of excitement, things like that when you're a young person and somebody sweeps you off your feet. But when that, and she didn't say anything about, I don't think how he treated her badly, right, in that particular part. But so, yeah, I don't think it was that bad. I understand it. But I understand what you're saying about the kids.So. but I understand what you're saying about the kids.

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Jamika PERSON, I don't even, why is she writing a book of her? If she wasn't married to Shaq PERSON, would anybody care about her book? That's one of my big problems is why is she writing a book? What did she do interesting?

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Yeah, and I think that is part of her point, that she woke up one day and realized that everything that she had was because of him, and she hadn't really done anything to leave a legacy to her children. And that's why she started basketball wives. It was kind of out of desperation just for her to have something of her own to say that she actually did something or created something. So I do think that she'll have a fan base from basketball wives,which of course we would not know her if it wasn't for Shaq PERSON. But, you know, I think that a lot of us that have followed them or known about their relationship over the years, we're pretty much aware of the fact that Shaq PERSON did not treat her right and that there was a lot of cheating going on because he has said this on several occasions that he was just a terrible husband. And so I think it's okay for her to acknowledge what he's already put out there.Yes, he was not the best husband. But she says they have a really good relationship now. We've seen them on camera together. They get along. I think that's great. They both love the kids. They're raising on camera together. They get along. I think that's great. They both love the kids.They're raising the kids together. But I think also a point that people are missing is she's now married to a pastor. So I'm thinking as a Christian woman, she sees love a lot differently now than she did 20 years ago or whenever her and Shack ORG were together. So I think now she's probably saying, I don't think I was ever really in love with him. And when you come to know what love is truly as a Christian NORP, she's probably looking at different things and saying, what I have now with my partner in Christ PERSON,the way we're living now is so totally different from then. This is love that maybe wasn't love. And so that's kind of what I'm thinking. She's just grown as a woman and she's actually seeing what real love is in Christ PERSON. actually seeing what real love is in Christ PERSON.

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I love that point. And with all three of you, just keeping it real, being attractive, I think you've been in the same position, perhaps, as her at some point, obviously not married or, you know, and now divorce. But the idea of, oh, look at all this success and look at how easy my life will be and we can take these wonderful vacations and our kids will have everything.And now she gets to real adulthood and into a real relationship. And she probably has redefined what love is. And she's like, man, you know, and again, I don't know how she grew up. But let's say she grew up not financially sound. And so you can just like, oh, man, I'm going to be financially sound. That's going to be awesome.And this was my real point, is that, and this is why I brought up about all three of you being attractive and just having been approached by men like Shaq PERSON, particularly when you were younger, where you know, like, he's probably not going to be faithful. And he may have even somewhat indicated he's not going to be faithful. Because, again, I got friends and I know guys. She knew who I was when I married her. I was a whole when she married me.Why is it? She know I'm not going to change. I've been there and a woman thinks she can handle that. And then it's like, man, this isn't a front to me. And why did I even sign up for this? Am I saying something that's, is this ring true at all?

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I mean, I totally agreed with Shamiga PERSON, and I do agree with you. I mean, I'm in love and I'm happy, and I don't care if you're the richest man in the world. And I met you, I wouldn't be going for it because I know what I have. And it's like I never experienced that. And I was around celebrities all the time. And by the way, I just thought of something because I know what I have. And it's like I never experienced that. And I was around celebrities all the time. And by the way, I just thought of something because I've met Shaq PERSON at an event.And it's not just a celebrity. Him and Michael Jordan PERSON. I've met dozens of celebrities. There's something about those two people that when you see them walk in in a crowd, it's like they're elevated. I took a picture with Shaq PERSON. I'm like, you know, at his knees, by the way.But there's something about there, he's iconic, and that was just, you know, that was a couple of years ago. Forget about when he was at the height of his career. So I can only imagine what that must have been like. So, yeah, I mean, and especially if she already had talked about it, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.Maybe she does want to leave some type of a legacy. But also, it's like, well, you already have all that money. I mean, I don't know. Maybe she didn't think it was going to affect her family. But I definitely agree that once you have the love and you see the type of relationship that God brings you, it's like, I don't want anything to do with that other mess. I don't care about the money.

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Yeah, I mean, you're probably spot on. She probably knew before marrying him what kind of man he was. But there's some woman who really just loved the lifestyle. And I think she detailed that too as well, how she loved the lifestyle. So you kind of get what you get. But as you grow and all women, as we grow older, and we kind of gauge what we want, what we value kind of changes.And I think that's where she's landed now in her life, it sounds like. So I don't really have any sympathy, though, because, you know, athletes are athletes. You know what you're going to get when you're going with on. Yeah. Final say she made you. So I don't really have any sympathy, though, because, you know, athletes are athletes. You know what you're going to get when you're going with them. Yeah.

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Final say, she made you.

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Yeah, no, she says she wouldn't change anything.

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Like, she has no regrets and she would do it all over again, even the hurt and the pain, the happy times, so that she could become the woman that she is now. So I think that that's great. You know, a lot of times

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we go through things and it makes us who we are today. And if you think that you're a better person

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now than you were 20 years ago, you don't want to change anything because it actually made you

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who you were. And so I think it's good for her. I do love the fact that they get along and that

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they have a mutually respectful relationship and love towards one another. So I think that's good.

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I know Shemika is the only one here with kids. She's got three daughters. But I wanted you

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all's thoughts. Boy Scouts of America ORG is changing now to just Scouts of America to be inclusive.

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And, you know, this whole destruction of female spaces, male spaces, and we all just need to get together in the same bathroom.

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We all just need to compete against each other in the same sports.

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And now Boy Scouts has been demonized and run off the map and now it's just Scouts of America ORG. Am I wrong for connecting all these things? Don't we need

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male spaces, female spaces? Isn't that a better way? Yeah. Yeah, I'd say so. You hit

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it spot on because that's where I was going to go with this discussion.

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Because there's nothing more infuriating than women losing our spaces. And then now men, boys are going to start losing their spaces. I mean, I don't understand why we keep allowing this to happen. These groups create us, they give us character. They give us the character that we become as adults, and we learn a lot from it. We learn a lot from just bonding with women, girls.You learn a lot when you're boys, and it kind of translates into becoming a man. So I don't understand why we're allowing this to happen. We don't need it to be inclusive. And we're also talking about kids, and I was reading into this too,like they're trying to be inclusive to the LGBT plus community. I mean, children shouldn't be talking about these things. It should just be lifestyle, figuring out things, like giving people like a skill set, giving these kids a skill set. Children shouldn't be talking about these things. It should just be lifestyle, figuring out things, like giving people like a skill set, giving these kids a skill set.Why are we talking about sex with these kids? I don't care what their sex lives want to be when they're adults. It doesn't matter. It's not relevant. It's creating and helping them develop skills that will change their lives. And that's what we're losing it.And we're losing it across all platforms.

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I think I'm going to let you guys comment on this because I didn't read the whole article, and I'm very much a person that's like, I need to read the whole article, I need to not just read the headline, there may be another side of the story.I'm not saying there is or there isn't, but I mean, I agree that when you're young, if you get put into sports camp or anything, it should be to build your skill sets of being leadership, of dealing with adversity. I think everybody gets bullied. I think that we're, one thing I will say is that kids are learning to feign victimhood for attention because they seethat it works. In my situation, I was representing, like, dozens of TikTokers who are over 18, and they were living in these houses that I had rented for them so they could make content. I mean, the house was, like, pink and purple and whatever. And at one point when they were angry with me,because I said, you guys are not allowed to drink here, like, you know, you guys can't be throwing things into the pool from the roof.

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I mean, just basic things, right? And they got angry with me. I went to the house one time, and there was one of them. Basically, I said, hey, guys, they were all screaming at me, and I said, I'm here by myself. And the guy, I think he was like 25. He gets up on the stairs, and he's like, I am a black man.I can't believe you just said that to me. I am offended. And I'm like, all I said is I'm here by myself, guys. And when Taylor Lorenzo PERSON was interviewing me about the story, she didn't end up putting in it, but she said, you know, it was alleged that you said something racist while this person was on the stairs. And I said, no, I have the video because I was filming them.But if I hadn't been filming, by the way, I was allowed to film, this is my property, whatever. But my point is that people see that that works, that feigning victimhood works. So what do they do? They just copy.Rinse repeat, rinse repeat. Okay.

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So I don't know whether these kids were feigning victimhood, or the people that are putting this in place are saying it's because these kids are victims, because they're LGBTQ and there's no acceptance for them. I don't know. But I definitely am somebody that stands

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against fake victimhood and cry bullies. I want to linger in this story just a tiny bit more. You are not a tall person. Can I say that without offending you? You're not a tall. Five feet tall.

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I'm little Miss Jacob.

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And maybe 100 pounds, I'm not sure, somewhere on that spectrum.

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Very charitable.

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Yeah.

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And I'm trying to figure out, you say to a group of young people like, hey, I'm here by myself.

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I'm little Miss Jacobs PERSON, so I'm here, and this guy thinks you're making a, or tries to turn it, you're making a racial comment? Like, you're unsafe because a black man is here?

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Mm-hmm. And he was, like, very tall. I don't know. I definitely, it's six foot. And then that same day, I was like, I was frazzled because I'm like, this is just so antagonistic. And I tried to get out of the house, and he was there carrying things out, whatever.And I just, like, went like this to his back and walked out. And he said, you pushed me, she pushed me. Did you guys get that on camera? So I mean, it's just, the pendulum has swung this way.

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What did he push him at in the knee?

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Yeah. Beat him, punched him in the knee. There you go. Hold your own.

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But yeah.

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I saw a lot of that going on. And so, and the kids are live streaming these things. I mean, it's just like the kids. There you go. Hold your own. But yeah. I saw a lot of that going on.

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And so, and the kids are live streaming these things.

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I mean, it's just like the kids that, you know, their parents are upset with them and they start live streaming. I forget who in politics did that. But regardless. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.Oh, what? Shameka, Boy Scouts, and or comment on Ari PERSON getting harassed for the thing.

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I'm here by myself. Yeah, that was a beta male. Ari PERSON, don't sweat it.

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Listen, my eyes are open whether they're black, white, it doesn't matter.

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If I'm by myself, I'm going to, you know, feel some type of way. When it comes to the Boy Scouts ORG, I hate it. I was a Girl Scout, and I was a Girl Scout actually from Brownie through Cadet ORG. I had to beg my mother to let me out in high school because she would make me wear my cadet shirt to school, and I just started to get really embarrassed. So like around 10th grade, I'm like, Ma, please let me get out of Girl Scouts ORG.But I love Girl Scouts ORG. I love learning how to bake, learning how to sew. I would not have wanted to learn how to do a slip knot. And I do think them taking boy out of it is, again, designed to blur the gender lines. And I just don't like it. My oldest daughter was also a Girl Scout ORG.But by the time the younger two came through, I got very protective of just anything that looked like it was going to confuse them. So I just don't like the idea that they feel as if we can't have Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts ORG. They did totally different things when I was coming up, and was fine and it was great and I agree with

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Ari or no I think it was I'm sorry not Ari but I think when you say Brianna PERSON when you say that

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this is to they shouldn't be talking about sex with children you're absolutely right it should

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not even come across the mind of a little child. You should not be interested in sex at all. And if I was younger and some man had said to me one of my teachers, are you straight or gay? My uncles would have set the school on fire. This is not a conversation that is okay, yet we're making it okay. These kids should just be learning the things that they have to learn, whether that's in school, whether that's in Girl Scout ORG. Sex and who makes you excited sexually should never be a topic. And I just don't like what they're doing now. I hate the idea of scouts. We're going to have these little boys walking around with a towel in their neck in dresses. They're going to be wearing dresses and being feminine, and I just don't like it.

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I saw this next topic on T.J. Mo's PERSON Twitter feed. Can we put this picture on screen or image on screen? And someone tweeted out, can we normalize this? And it's a series of pictures of women proposing to men. And do we really want to normalize this? Is this empowerment?Is this what you ladies are looking forward to? You want to be proposing to a men? We need to normalize this? Is this empowerment? Is this what you ladies are looking forward to? You want to be proposing to amend? We need to normalize this.

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Okay, so full disclosure, my parents have been married for 40 years. And, well, the reason why they're married is because my mom proposed. Really?

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She didn't get on her knee.

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That's like, no. She's just like, you want to get married? And he's like, all right, but you got to do all. And she did everything.

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So they got married.

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And then my sister actually got married because she proposed to her boyfriend, and now they're married. So this is a thing. Sometimes, you know, you men don't know the good thing that's in front of you. And so it's our job as women to grab you by your neck and drag you down the aisle and show you what the good thing is.Just kidding.

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But it does work sometimes. I mean, my parents are very happy. My sister's very happy. So I don't judge anyone. I wasn't expecting that. I know.

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Your parents didn't put it on social media, right?

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No, that wasn't a thing. So, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I've always like torn on these things

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because everything that we see, we're giving it more attention, right?

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I was just watching the 48 laws of power. They said, like, if you don't like something or you, you know, something is giving you is more powerful than you, you're not supposed to give it attention. But I do think it's interesting. I mean, it wouldn't be for me. I don't think, you know, I don't know about normalizing it. I still don't think it's normalized.These are probably you look at these, even your stories, it's like, sounds like an anomaly.

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But there's all sorts of stories of how people end up getting married. I mean, it's sometimes the person, they've been engaged for a long time, and the person says, okay, enough, and leaves, and then it's like, oh, no, no, no, I want to get married right now. You know, I don't

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know, I'm not married. My boyfriend, you know, sometimes I see his Instagram feed going on. I'm like, why are they feeding you so many engagement rings? Is that what you've been searching? But no, I think it's just a matter of, you have to have that conversation, I think, with the person that you're with and be comfortable to have it. I guess if they say something to you, like, well, I'd be more comfortable if you proposed.I mean, if you really love them, maybe that's something you consider. But I would hope that if somebody really loves you and you sit down and talk to them and say, hey, this is really important to me that we're married and we do this the right way. And I don't know, those things are important to some people. I wasn't like the little girl that was dreaming about my wedding when I was a little kid I was like doing businesspretending I was in a business thing but some little girls are getting dressed up in their wedding dress when they're five and so whatever it is that you want I guess I'm not hating on anybody's like you

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we normalize this shemika it wouldn't be normal for me I do think whatever works for other people, but it wouldn't be my preference.

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I would just assume that any man I would have to propose to shaves his underarms.

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And I don't want any type of femininity in any man that I'm interested in.

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I want him to be like, you woman, me, man, hit me over the head with a club and throw me over his shoulder.

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I want manly man and I don't want to have to propose. Final question.

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It's been raging over the internet or over social media. Some people are saying, oh, I think we got a video that will set this up. As a woman, would you rather run into a man or a bear in the woods? Let's play the video.

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Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a man or a bear? Bear.

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Man is scary. With a bear. What I've heard about bears, they don't always attack you, right?

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Unless you, like, fuck with them. So maybe a bear. Depends one man, but probably a bear. 100% a bear, which is like terrifying to say. Definitely a bear. Some men are very scary out there.A bear. I would say, I would say a man.

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So ladies, you get the final say on this.

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Man or bear if you're stuck in the woods?

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Man. Man? Man. Man. Man. Tamika PERSON?

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Why?

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Why?

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All right.

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Give me a quick why and doesn't have 15 seconds, 10 seconds. Why man over bear?

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Well, I think it's just illogical to think that a bear is going to be better for you. None of us are goodylocks. These bears are real creatures. They're beast. And a man would actually be safer.

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Are y'all aware that, like, the Russians NORP taught bears? You know, bears are very trainable. They, they, in, in like war, the Russians NORP taught bears to help them out in war. So I'm not, I'm not arguing on account of the bears, but there is a bear side of the story if you know how to train them. Well, Joe Rogan is afraid of bears.

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I'm pretty sure he said it on his podcast. So if Joe Rogan is afraid of them, I'm going to go ahead and just like take the cue. But I will say, peek behind the curtain of the content world, anytime you do a man on the street video, it literally does not matter what you say.They have done studies. People want to listen. It's just a thing. So that's why we're paying attention to it. Awesome.

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Ladies, thank you so much.

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We'll play some tomorrow. And we'll see you guys tomorrow. standing in line for freedom looking for a break out feeling like a stand off nothing in line like

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freedom came like a fighter striking like a ladder making all this moves for freedom i want freedom no negotiation my system or relation we all just want to have freedom sitting on the corner never been alone I'll break in my back for freedom bless we are living get back we are receiving or deceiving or we all to see when we want freedom I just want I want I want to be I just want I want to be