384. 2024 Rookie Winners and Losers for Redraft Fantasy Football: Landing Spot Grades and Rankings | Fantasy Football Podcast

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You're not really worth it. I'm out. Here comes up. No. Here comes up. Y'all don't really want it now.Wolf of L. Wolf of Roastricht Roto Street. Grosite General.com We breed and feed you fantasy wolves Here with our weeklyBest Ball draft Stoat that it is Best Ball Mania season. Christmas morning baby But as always, we have a pre-draft topicWe'd like to discuss the 2024 rookie class winners and losers based on their landing spot, and we are focused on just redraft. I want to make sure to reiterate that throughout the show. This is not a dynasty-focused show on this episode. We can and will break down their dynasty prospects, but there are certain guys, Ricky Purcell PERSON, for instance,that right now don't look great for 2024, but awesome for that long-term outlook. So we are going to be focused strictly on 2024 values. Who won, who lost based on where they landed. We'll break that down in about 30 minutes or so, and then it's on to our first, cannot wait to fire it off,our first best ball mania draft of the year. My man, Mo, how are we feeling today?

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I mean, like you said, it's basically Christmas morning for guys like us.

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I got to break down a little bit on the draft before we get into it.

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But, I mean, happy as I ever could be with a BBM 5 PRODUCT opening up.

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And I'm just ready to get the first one underway. I think you and I will be cracking the seal together on the BBM drafts. So I don't think either of us have gotten one off yet. I mean, it's probably been open for three hours at this point. But yeah, I mean, get the first one under the belt and get the best ball summary rolling. Absolutely. We'll get it rolling.

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Let's talk about those. Some of these rookies breaking down again, their redraft value strictly for 2024. Winners, neutral, and losers at the quarterback position. We'll start with winners, and you have to highlight Caleb Williams at the top. First overall pick, as he should be, all the hype, the best quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck PERSON. Would have been an immediate win regardless of what the Bears ORG did, the rest of the draft. But then just giving because he had DJ Mooreand Keenan Allen PERSON already there. Then they go and pick nine and select Rome Adunze PERSON, making this, in my opinion, the best trio of wide receivers in the NFL right from the jump. If Rome PERSON is as good as everybody, including myself, believes that he is.They also get some tackle help in round three, a really sturdy guy out of Yale there. To me, Caleb Williams comes away as the single biggest quarterback winner, walking into a situation that you very rarely see this just beautiful for the number one overall pick. I don't see how, if he's as good as everyone thinks he is, that he could fail in this type of landing spot. Immediately, my QB12 in redraft.I love the spot for him. What do you think about Caleb Williams landing with the Bears ORG?

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Yeah, I think it's a storyline that's going to be talked about for the coming weeks, months. I don't think we've ever seen a number one pick land in a situation like this.

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I mean, personally, I look back to Joe Burrow PERSON in the last couple of years landing with my bangles, but he was there with just T. Higgins PERSON and some dust. But now we see Caleb Williams landing in a spot with three legitimate, I mean, very high-end wide receivers, DJ Moore, a guy that people have liked for years, finally came out of his shell last year. Keenan Allen PERSON, established veteran who's been a target hog and just an all-around producerfor years in Los Angeles coming over to Chicago ORG now. And yeah, like you said, Romo Dunzei, he was the all-greened-out reception profile from Matt Harmon PERSON. I mean, a lot of people are really excited about this guy. And, I mean, it's hard not to. I mean, we saw the production in Washington last year. There's nothing not to like about the situation that Caleb Williams is walking into.And unless he is just a generational bus, like you said, I think he's set up to succeed. And I think your price of quarterback 12 is pretty fair. I mean, I think that's right around where most people are going to have them. And I don't see any qualms with that. But the other guy that I'm arguably more excited about in terms of their situation and landing spot, you can go back and forth all day, but I love the spot that J.J. McCarthy PERSON landed in.I mean, he got the arguably, I don't think many people would come back to you with this,

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that it's the Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the NFL ORG. I mean, there's some debate to be had, but in my opinion, he's firmly the best received in the NFL. He got Jordan Addison PERSON, a dynamic emerging young guy. I mean, he showed flash in his first year, especially as a deep threat. I mean, grabbed a couple of bombs from Kirk Cousins PERSON. And then T.J. Hawkinson, don't think he's going to be ready for week one,but he's going to be available for the majority of this season. And then you've got the offensive scheme in Minnesota ORG that's setting up J.J. McCarty for success. I mean, Kevin O'Connell, he's, over the last year, especially last year, he made something out of nothing more than once. He did it with Nick Mullins and Josh Dobbs PERSON, both and he wasn't afraid to let the rock fly with both those guys. I mean, he just understands that this offense flows through Justin Jefferson PERSON, regardless of who's at quarterback. I mean, he just understands that this offense flows through Justin Jefferson,regardless of who's that quarterback. Last year, we saw both Mullins and Josh Dobbs attempt 35 passes in games with Justin Jefferson PERSON grabbing or reaping the most rewards from those attempts. And we saw Nick Mullins crack 350 yards twice. And I believe both those games were against the lion secondary. We've talked a little bit about them being, and they added on, the lion secondary added on in this draft, but we've talked about them being an attackable secondary,especially last year, but that's beside the point. I want to say the same thing about J.J. McCarthy that I do for Caleb Williams. It just, unless he is a generational bust of a prospect and everyone is overvaluing his traits as aquarterback, there's just not really a way for this guy to fail. He's got a coach who's not afraid to sling the rock, an offensive scheme that's propped up multiple significantly worse quarterbacks, and he's got some of the best weapons of the NFL ORG. I mean, I see Caleb Williams and J.J. McCarthy PERSON kind of on the same plane in terms of the situation that they're entering in, I think Caleb Williams will go much further ahead of J.J. McCarthy PERSON and fantasy drafts, as he should. But in terms of the situation and how they're set up to succeed, I think these are both smash landing

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spots. What do you think about McCarthy, though? Yeah, I actually have J.J. PERSON I have J.J. McCarthy is my QB 23 right now. That's seven spots above the ECR ORG in terms of best ball drafting right now. So I absolutely agree. the ECR ORG in terms of best ball drafting right now. So I absolutely agree a complete smash and A plus landing spot here for him. And now next up on the list, another winner in my opinion, not quite to the level of Caleb Williams or J.J. McCarthy PERSON again, those were A plus in terms of weapons scheme.But Jaden Daniels PERSON also landing in a really, really good spot. And I want to make sure that I preface this too, just because I gave an A plus to McCarthy PERSON's landing spot, and I give Jane Daniels PERSON a B plus or so, I still would rather have Jane Daniels PERSON in fantasy. In fact, he's my quarterback 13 just behind Caleb Williams and other five spots above the ECR there,because I really do like this landing spot, just not quite as good as the other. Still, though, McLaurin dots, and they add Ben Cinnett PERSON, who we're going to talk about later, an athletic freak at Titan. Austin Echler PERSON, a generational pass catching back if he can regain some of thatexplosiveness we've seen over the years. And then you talked about play calling as a big factor. Kingsbury had some very solid offenses over there in Arizona. Kylo ORG was consistently hovering around that QB7 or so range in average for those four seasons. Quarterback 15, quarterback six, quarterback five, and quarterback 10 was 20 or more fantasy points per game in three for those four seasons. Quarterback 15, quarterback six, quarterback five, and quarterback 10 was 20 or more fantasy points per game in three of those four seasons as well and had at least 418 rush yards. That's what I really get excited about was that Kyler Murray PERSON loved to take it off.They kind of open the offense up so then it opens up. If there's nobody open downfield, there's huge rushing gaps. And Jane Daniels is 10 times the rusher that Kyler Murray is as fast as Murray is. Daniels PERSON is like a legit running back at times with that ball in his hand. So I am stoked to see. I mean, the fact that Kyler Murray had an 8-19 rush yard 11 rushing touchdown season at his tiny minuscule size gets me jazzed up for the wayJane Daniels PERSON could be used. So good weapons, good scheme, with a lot of designed rush attempts as well. I don't see much to not like here. The only kind of, when you have a defensive head coach in terms of, oh, who's the guy, freaking Quinn, Dan Quinn PERSON, the head coach there, it's just sometimes they like to pound the rock and they do have two really good running backs. And I could see them protecting Daniels a little bit in that early part of the year.But still, I think he's going to run the ball a ton and he's got great weapons to throw it to. So this was a winning of a landing spot, in my opinion. He could have ended up falling to the Patriots ORG. And we're going to talk about them in a second with Drake May PERSON. I like this spot for Jane Daniels PERSON a lot, though. I think it's a great spot.

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I mean, just as long as they allow him to do what he does with the ball in his hands in the open field as a rusher, I think from a fantasy perspective, he's going to produce almost no matter what. We talked about it a little bit last off season, but guys like Lamar Jackson, Justin Field, and Jalen Hertz, have all been relevant fantasy quarterbacks with very little passing production,just relying on their legs to produce in fantasy.

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And Jaden Daniels is obviously the best, most dynamic Russian NORP quarterback out of this draft class.

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Not the best, not the best landing spot in Washington ORG, but like you said,

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it's not, that's not to mean that he's a lower, we're ranking him lower than J.J. McCarthy PERSON. I still think Jaden Daniels is an arm and a leg ahead of J.J. McCarthy PERSON in terms of what he can do as a fantasy producer. So I really like Jaden Daniels from an arm and a leg ahead of J.J. McCarthy PERSON in terms of what he can do as a fantasy producer. So I really like Jaden Daniels PERSON from a rushing perspective to produce. And if they allow him, and I understand the fact that they might want to protect him. I mean, we saw some of those

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clips of him just getting absolutely lit up last year at LSU. And he's not, he's no Josh Allen PERSON, like, battering ram bill. He's, he's he's the quick elusive kind of a little skinnier in terms of his frame so there's some reason to believe that they're going to want to

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prioritize his health and safety and not let him run completely buck wild but he has the skills to produce and be a dominant rusher and as long as he does that i'm not really even concerned about the passing production he's going to be a top 15, I don't know about top 15, top 18 fantasy quarterback as long as he's able to do what he does on the ground. And with the weapons that we talked about around him, the Terry McCorrin PERSON, I mean, the opinions are mixed on Jahan Dotson. I still haven't fully given up hope on John Dotson PERSON,but the weapons are there. They're not completely dust. Like we've seen some other spots for some rookie quarterbacks. So as long as he can produce on the. Like we've seen some other spots for some rookie quarterbacks. So as long as he can produce on the ground and then we have some pluses from some solid passing production games out of Dayton Daniels PERSON, I think he's going to be an all-around fine fantasy quarterback and will be relevant in single quarterback leagues.

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Yeah, absolutely. There's only a handful more quarterbacks that are really relevant, Spencer Rattler PERSON going so late that we're not going to dive into him. But all the big six going in round one, we did want to quickly touch upon. And I do consider Bow Nix PERSON, again, not quite as good of a landing spot as the others. But Sean Payton's offense has been prolific in the past when Drew Brees PERSON was at his best.I mean, he was breaking fantasy year in and year out. And then you even look in his most recent history when he had dusty, dusty quarterback, Sean Peyton PERSON. Drew Brees was age 39 to 41, was still averaging 19.8 fancy points per game. Russell Wilson PERSON, he had 18 points per game. Trevor Simeon was 18 points per game. Even Teddy Bridgewater was right around 17 points per game. So even if he just gave him 18 points per game, that's rightaround quarterback 15 there in terms of yearly production for Bo Nix PERSON, landing in a perfect spot, in my opinion, for his skill set. We know Sean Payton PERSON loves that kind of point guard style distributor. And that's what Bo Nix, one of the most accurate quarterbacks, maybe the most accurate quarterback of this class through 45 touchdowns. And under four interceptions, under seven sacks, really takes care of the rock and just gets it out and lets his guys do their thing.I think it's a great mesh of quarterback talent and what Sean Payton PERSON wants to do in his scheme. They clearly love the guy that go up there and pick him at 12 when a lot of people thought he might be more of a round two picks. So between the draft capital, the skill set and scheme meshing, the weapons might leave a little bit to be desired. But we'll talk about Troy Franklin a little bit later. Fell all the way to round four. His main college weapon.I love seeing when a college quarterback links up with his main weapon, too. I still think Marvin Nims PERSON has a lot of untapped potential. And I've already talked about how I really do like Cortland Sutton PERSON more than the most sane humans typically do. So I don't think the weapons cabinet is all that bad either. I like this spot for Bo Nix PERSON. And there really weren't going to be too many spots.I liked him. But a lot of people mocked this one up and ended up working out. So I consider him a winner and someone that I might take a stab at in the last type of rounds of my best ball draft, given the history of Sean Peyton PERSON and his quarterbacks.

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Yeah, and we all see what we're getting here. I mean, this just absolutely screams Sean Payton walking into the Broncos ORG war room and just laying it all out on the table saying, we're taking Bonix PERSON, whether you like it or not. And he went and got his guy. I mean, there's no denying the collegiate production of Bonix PERSON. I mean, both at Auburn and more so at Oregon ORG, he was one of the best, just in terms of raw production numbers.He was up there with the better quarterbacks in the nation. So, yeah, you have to be excited about it. I mean, obviously, this is a reach. Most people had a mid-round grade on Bonix PERSON. But Sean Payton PERSON going out and getting his guy,

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and he's going to have a chance to compete and be a starting quarterback, and that competition is Zach Wilson PERSON. So, I mean, if he's a legitimate competition with Zach Wilson come August, I think that raises a lot of red flags. He won't. I'm not worried.There's no way. Yeah, yeah. We'll see the training camp reports. I mean, obviously, like, there's going to be, like, the coach speaks stuff. Like, yeah, this is anyone's job. Someone's going to have to go out there and earn it.But I'm expecting Bonix to be the starting quarterback for the Broncos ORG. I'm not particularly threatened. I don't think anyone is threatened by Zach Wilson PERSON. So he's got the opportunity to go out and get a starting NFL job from day one as a rookie.

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So there's nothing not to like about that. He's in line to get reps as a rookie. So, I mean, that's all I really have to say on the matter. I mean, I'm not thrilled with Bonix PERSON as a prospect or the weapons around him. But when it's a starting quarterback in the NFL ORG, sometimes you got to be happy about that.

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And speaking of starting quarterbacks, I'll maybe let you take this one because I don't want my Patriots ORG bias to take over. They land Drake May PERSON. I'm pumped about it as a Pat ORG's fan. We needed a new, fresh, exciting start, and they get a dynamic guy with a cannon arm.I was hoping for Jane Daniels PERSON to fall, but ultimately, I've accepted that it's Drake May PERSON. And I like what they did around him between Jalen Polk and early round two. Love the Javon Baker PERSON. We're going to talk about those guys once we hit receivers next.I've really liked the additions around him. They did bring in some offensive line help as well. It was just refreshing to see the overall draft philosophy, even if I didn't love the picks at the line position they made. They really went and attacked their needs. They didn't focus on defense when they already have such a strong defense as they typicallyhave done in the past. So I like what they did in this draft. It's hard to consider anything more than a sea landing spot, in my opinion, just because we don't know what these weapons are. We don't know how the line will ultimately mesh, but they did at least give him some support, so I can't give it an F grade or anything of that nature either. So this is my kind of preface to Drake May PERSON. Should I be excited as a Pats ORG fan, and are you excited at all? I know in our earlier drafts,we had been drafting Drake May a bit in hopes of a Vikings ORG or something of that nature. Now these are the paths? Are you a little bit grossed out or what are your

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thoughts here? Yeah, I think I'm in a similar range as you. The talent of Drake May PERSON is balanced out by the landing spot. Like, I've always liked Drake May PERSON as a prospect. I mean, he, I believe Josh Downs had over a thousand receiving yards with him just two years ago at North Carolina ORG.

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And then last year, that offense was on life support.

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And he had a connection with DeVontes Walker, who was a late round guy that a lot of people have liked throughout the pre-draft process.

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But yeah, like you said, it's really nice to see that they are understanding that they need to, when they bring in a rookie quarterback with this high of draft capital, that they need to put weapons around him to make things work early on. Because in today's NFL ORG where we see team, especially like the fans calling for it, but like even in teams are actually doing it, they're moving on from their top 10 pick within like the first three yearsof them being on the roster. So you need to make things work pretty quickly with your rookie quarterback, especially when you're spending a top three quarterback. So them going out and getting two guys in the mid-rounds of the drafts, I think that's just, yeah, like you said, a really positive thing from a team outlook and strategy perspective,seeing the Patriots ORG operate like that. And I like both these guys. I mean, Jalen Polk, I enjoyed what I saw from in Washington last year. I think Javon Baker PERSON is one of those guys that the fantasy community has been excited about,

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but I don't think too many people are familiar with his game out of UCF ORG, just not having that many eyes on him. But drafted in the early fourth round, I think he was the fifth pick of the fourth round, but that's kind of beside the point. Early fourth round draft capital, and with the players that are currently in the New England wide receiver room, I think he's got a chance to come in and earn targets immediately.Like, I've been praying for the day where I don't have to consider Pop Douglas as a legitimate receiver

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in an NFL ORG receiving room. And I think we're finally here for the head day that we're not going to see these just complete dustball guys running out there for receiver or at receiver for New England LOC. So I think a new page, a new chapter has been turned in the book of the New England Patriots. We were in that awkward post Tom Brady PERSON era. And now we're obviously well into the Drake May PERSON era. And I've always liked him as a prospect.

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And you can't say that they've given him the best tools to succeed, but they are certainly trying. And I think the balance between May as a prospect and what he's been given in New England LOC, I think the neutral C grade is just right about where everyone's going to have them. And I don't think there's any reason to be too bullish or too bearish one way or the other.

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Yeah, absolutely. At minimum, Javon Baker PERSON does not lack for confidence. I don't know if you saw his post-dressor,

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but talking when they asked, what are the expectations of what can New England LOC fans expect of you? He said, I can make people stand out of their wheelchairs. I don't think of the exact quote, but something absurd of that nature.And I love it. I mean, the guy is pumped. He's ready to be here. They've already talked about Polk and Baker getting together, working out with Drake May throughout the offseason to get that early chemistry. And sometimes that's all you need. And all those guys do flash some talent. As Krona PERSON does say here, it's great comment. Anybody got questions, get him on in here. He likesJJ PERSON more than Drake May. And honestly, in fantasy, I would agree. I have JJ actually ranked now higher than Drake May that has flipped since the pre-draft, given as we talked about that A-plus landing spot for McCarthy PERSON. But Drake May is not too, too far behind for me cocking in at quarterback 25,

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just a couple spots below there in the same tier as JJ McCarthy, because I think he has those better tools there in terms of everything. And now we got our last quarterback that we just have to quickly bring up. I don't want to spend a lot of time because I'm getting itch, it's you to draft here at Michael Pennix. I don't think there's much to say.He's likely, if anything, is working out for the Falcons, not seeing the field at all this year. So I had to give this an F in terms of a landing spot. I was very intrigued. A lot of people talk about how Pennicks ORG have the best armed talent in this class. And I doubt we're going to get to see it flashed at all this year.Next year, who knows, maybe in the three years, we'll see Michael Penix PERSON. But in terms of 2024, redraft value, you can't touch the guy at all on drafts, right?

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I mean, yeah, it's just all around brutal. I mean, we don't have to get too far into this, but yeah, he's not going to be relevant. Unless, like, there's a significant setback for Kirk Cousins PERSON or like just the it's a complete mess

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to open the season or something.

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I don't even think if it's like bad

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they're going to move away from Cousins PERSON. But yeah, this is a total mess. They said they were like trying to follow the Green Bay method or whatever you want to call it. And it's not the Green Bay method. You're spending a top 10 like Jordan Love PERSON drafted in the 20sas I don't know how old he was when he was drafted. He was 21 years old probably. But now you're drafting a guy who's in his mid-20s with the eighth overall pick who's had two massive knee surgeries. Like, it's not the Green Bay method. You're not taking a raw prospect and trying to develop him for a couple of years. You're taking a guy who's halfway to his AARP ORG card with multiple ACL reconstructions and you're using the eighth overall pick on them. Like, I don't know what they're thinking here.Everyone who's an NFL ORG fan has heard the spiel that I'm giving right now before. Yeah, so we don't need to get into too far into it, but it's a disaster.

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And not on the fantasy radar this year.

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Absolutely.

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Well, we're going to move on to our next position and probably the meat of the show,

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the wide receivers.

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Well, moving on to the wide receiver position, Marvin Harrison landing with the Cardinals ORG. There's four A plus grades I gave. I just wanted to highlight him real quick because I think he belongs as a fringe first rounder now in fantasy redrafts given this beautiful spot. I wrote it up at Rototrytrialjohn.com ORG.Kyla Murray's top target in 2022, I know you put this note on here. 10 of 15 games, 10 plus targets. And to add even more context to that, so Hopkins averaged over 10 targets per game when he was healthy in 2020 and 22, was the wide receiver 5 and wide receiver 9 in fantasy points per game across those two years. He was hurt in 2021. But when also D. Hop was out in 2022, Markey's Brown average 10.7 targets pergame, wide receiver 5 in volume, and 18.3 fantasy points per game. Wide receiver 7 in that sense. And these guys, I don't think it even hold a kid. And I love Hopkins, but at this stage of his career, a fresh young Marvin Harrison PERSON, maybe the best wide receiver prospect that's coming in the last five years, decade. Who knows?We know that this guy can do everything at every single layer of the field. And we know that Kyler Murray loves to pepper his number one guys and really has no one else to throw to. So to me, do I take him over Garrett Wilson PERSON? Do I take him, you know, it's a matter of how high do I rank him? But he's certainly right there as a fringe first rounder for me and definitely by round two. It's what we kind of expected.It's what happened. I think it's gold. Do you have anything else to add to that? Because it's just such a beautiful spot. Yeah, I mean, he's just kind of

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stroll on his way into 150 targets or so. Yeah. Yeah, we've talked about it at length over the course

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of these drafts. Kyle and Murray PERSON just feeding targets to whoever that guy has been, either Hollywood or DeAndre. And I fully believe in the talent of Marvin Harrison PERSON. I watched him for three years at Ohio State ORG pretty closely. I would like to say pretty closely as an Ohio State ORG fan.

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But, yeah, I have no questions in the talent.

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The draft capital is there. The opportunity will be there.

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I mean, unless something significantly, like injury-wise or something like that happens, this is a cakewalk to a, I think, cakewalk to a top 20 receiver season. Absolutely.

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And again, this is a redraft focus. I just want to keep reiterating that. But dynasty-wise, I think really only C.D. Lamb, Jemar Chase, Justin Jefferson PERSON, the only three I could comfortably rank ahead of Marvin Harrison PERSON. We'll do some more dynasty breakdowns. But in terms of Justin 2024 value,I had three other guys with A plus landing spots that I think are walking right into amazing situations. That would be Xavier Worthy, Keon Coleman, and Ladd McConkey PERSON. Now, saw your notes on the show that you might not actually agree with Xavier Worthy PERSON as an A plus. So maybe we start there. And you can just kind of give me your take on the show that you might not actually agree with Xavier Worthy PERSON as an A plus. So maybe we start there.And you can just kind of give me your take on Xavier Worthy PERSON. And then I'll rebut why I think it's absolutely a perfect spot for him for sure. But let's hear what you don't love about it for fantasy. Yeah.

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So I love, like we talked about it before, right before the draft, our pre-draft show. Like the, this is like the spot that makes the most sense in terms of the profile for worthy and a team that understands how to use a player like him but i like obviously this is the dream but i'm just like first i i'm already just like seeing the price in my head like people the chiefs receive big receiver the new guy in town like we've been burned year after year since tyree Hill by this newflashy guy. So like that's always going to be in the back of my head. And I, and it's probably not fair to like keep that in the back of my head just because it's a completely different guy and different draft capital. They burned a first round pick on him. They're going towant to get them involved. But we've seen Sky Moore. They used a second round pick on him. We've seen Cadarius Tony PERSON, another first round pick, who obviously wasn't drafted by the Chiefs ORG, but was brought in later on. They've just, they've been wasted away.And I don't know, you can put it on the player themselves. So that's just like one concern that I keep in the back of my head for that. But the target competition is just going to be really brutal. It's just, it's the only way I see Xavier Worthy PERSON getting there is just on the back of insane efficiency, and I know he can do it.But some of those like targets that we're going to be seeing from Worthy PERSON, like those screen targets, like how is Rishie Rice PERSON going to play a role in that? And you put a little bit of a note in here. You said I believe it's 50% of uh his catches came on screens like that that was rishi rice's bread and butter last year and it's going to comeit's going to come down to a lot a lot of it is going to come down to the suspension so there's a lot of variables that play here and it i'm just going to i'm having a hard time just really getting there for, for worthy. Like, you've got Travis Kelsey who just brought, was just brought in on another two-year extension. He's going to be eating up targets. You've got Hollywood Brown PERSON, who I don't love.And I think Xavier Worthy will be a bigger asset to this offense than Hollywood Brown PERSON. I don't love him either. And then you've got Rishie Rice PERSON, who was going to be a significant target owner, too. I mean, like I talked about his role on the screen game, but I think they expand his route tree and get him involved throughout the offensive scheme. So the target competition is going to be really tough. He's going to be, have to do it on very few touches. It's going torequire insane efficiency. And unless he's like converting on a lot of these deep balls, I just don't really see him getting there. I think I agree with a lot of your points, but I also think he's like converting on a lot of these deep balls, I just don't really see him getting there.

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I think I agree with a lot of your points, but I also think he's going to end up converting on a lot of the deep balls and especially the screen game, as you mentioned. Nobody has a better wide receiver screen game than Andy Reid PERSON. We've seen it time and time again when Tyree Kill PERSON was here where they just designed it so that Tyree Kill PERSON had just a little bit of space and then could just outrun the entire defense. Who's better than that and Xavier Worthy PERSON 4-1 speed? We saw him do it a ton throughout college.

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Now, deep threat-wise, he actually, as Scott Barrett pointed out, was the worst this entire class in terms of yards per target on deep passes, 9.2 yards on deep throws per target was the worst of this class.

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But he also had the worst accuracy on deep passes as well.

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33% catchable target rate. That's going to change with Patrick Mahom PERSON. So I think he has untapped deep ceiling that we have not really even fully seen quite yet. And then as you mentioned, one of my nuggets on there, 46% of his catches coming on screens. That's what his bread and butter has been.And we know Andy Reid PERSON is going to use that to absolute perfection. I can just see the vision in my head of all the plays where he's going to just outrun the entire defense on just a quick little screen. And sure, Rishie Rice PERSON, he'll get his screens as well. He's very efficient in that game as well. But he does not have that kind of breakaway gear that Xavier Worthy PERSON has. So I expect him to actually potentially out target Rishie Rice PERSON or at least be more efficient on those looks. And who knows again how long we'll see a suspension here for Rossi Rice. Either way, I'm all about this. I think the fit is great. I think we have an untappeddeep ball ceiling. And I just see Mahomes PERSON. We'll talk about veteran risers and losers in another show sometime soon. But this is like the year I see him getting right back to that 5,000 yard, 40 touchdown. He's got all the weapons around him. And I think the pie is just going to be massive and that Rishi Rice can eat, that Xavier Worthy can eat and Kelsey PERSON can eat as well. And maybe even some Markey's Brown. I still like all these guys. And yet, maybe it will be tough to really sustain four guys, but we've seen it from the homes in the past. At least three guys beingcompletely fed. I think it can happen here this year. It's just, and the fact that they traded up to 28. The fact, the bills even led him to that is asinying to me. But they clearly, clearly wanted this guy to give up some extra capital to the bills there. I think it's going to be a perfect fit.And as soon as he gets onto that field, it's going to be dynamite. We did speak of the bills as well, which I consider an A plus spot for Kion Coleman PERSON. Now, regardless of what you think of the player, and I don't know that I love the guy, 461.40 does make me nervous, although timed at 22 miles per hour while running his routes at thecombine was the fastest time of anybody. So the game speed, the time speed don't seem to match up. I do think he has a little bit more juice than that timed, times 40 would suggest here. It's more so, though, the opportunity. We talked about this on the pre-draft show, but just to reiterate, yet again, 3,353 air yards the most in the league, 73.3% of their air yard share the most in the league.317 targets, including 54.7% target share, both second most in the league, and 86.3% of their wide receiver target share, both second most in the league, and 86.3% of their wide receiver target share up for grabs there in Buffalo ORG. And you look at what Diggs PERSON has done since being there. And again, you can't just be like Keon Coleman's going to be Diggs PERSON. That would be idiotic.I know that's not going to be the case. I know he's not going to be quite the volume log, but 168 targets, wide receiver 3, 163 targets, wide receiver 7, 152 targets, wide receiver 4, and 161 targets, wide receiver 9. If anybody on this roster is built to inherit a similar role, it is Coleman PERSON, who does have that big body bill that is great in contested catches that does do some damage after the catch when he gets it in, is actually commanding targets in his college career.He was just a little bit below Romo Dunzei PERSON in that tier, but right below them in terms of his ability to earn targets in college.

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I love his head. I don't know if you watch any of his post-drapped presser, but just seems like a great, hilarious dude. I know that doesn't mean anything for fantasy, but he just seems so fired up to be there, and as he should be, when you're only competing with Curtis Samuel PERSON, who I do like, he's going to have his own niche role. I'm not discounting him, but I do think that Keon Coleman PERSON has all the upside in the world to dominate the looks here, said he's already envisioning three touchdowns in 30seconds since he looked at the field. And I really could see that he is really, really good in those contested catches. So I think at minimum, even if he's not seeing a target share like Stefan Diggs, he does have that 8 to 12 touchdown upside with a guy like Josh Allen throwing him the rock. I'm a huge fan of this landing spot. I hope it works out for the guy. Even if I don't love the player, I think it's perfect. What do you think?

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Yeah, I think it's tough because, yeah, there's still an ongoing debate. Like, is this guy actually good? People can't seem to agree.

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But regardless of whether or not, whether or not you think he is, it's undeniable that this landing spot is great. And I don't need it to go on to keep talking about, like, the vacated volume and opportunity and stuff. But I think the only other point that I really want to make is, I think his skill set and profile mesh well with Josh Allen. And we know Josh Allen is this gunslinger type that loves to get the ball downfield.

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And we saw some of that with Gabe Davis, but they really couldn't find that connection on this past season. And we've got little competition for Keon Coleman PERSON to come into that X receiver role. They've only got Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir PERSON there, neither of which have the athletic profile or the size to be a true X receiver. So he's going to kind of just roll right into that, into that ex-receiver role. And his big body, physical nature,physical style of play, I think meshes really well with Josh Allen's PERSON like, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to say he's, like, unaware of potential mistakes, but he is, he's not adverse to risk. He is more than okay with getting the ball downfield, putting into some questionable spots. And I think the profile for Keonan Coleman will mesh well with how Josh Han PERSON wants to play football. So I'm pretty excited about this landing spot and just like the lack of competition,it just makes it that much more enjoyable. But another guy that I think is strolling into volume is Ladd-McConkie PERSON. And I agree.

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I think this is an A-plus landing spot. McConkey PERSON is a really versatile guy. We saw him not only play, but succeed at both out of the slot and as a wide receiver in his career at Georgia ORG. So I think he's going to be able to get opportunities early in the season just based on his skill, let alone just the lack of competition that we have in LA GPE right now.And I know that there's a lot of questions, like, what is this offensive scheme going to look like? Like, how much opportunity will Lamaconke PERSON actually be provided? But I think he's regarded to be one of the more polished route runners in the draft, just like an all-around NFL ORG ready receiver. Like, obviously he's not like this massive, like physically super, like he's not going tophysically dominate a football game. But I think he's got this skill set and the versatility to be involved involved with the Chargers offense from day one. And I think you'll have those opportunities pretty quickly. And we've seen, obviously it's a completely different coaching staff, but we've seen players in Los Angeles have success on the back of really high volume.I mean, Kenan Allen PERSON, he's not like, obviously he's a physical specimen,

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but he's not like one of those freak athletes that's changing the game of football

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because he's of his physical traits. He's just an all right. He still is an all around just really high quality receiver. And I think Glad McConkey PERSON has a path to be highly involved in this in this offense just because of his complete skill set.

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And I think it's going to be coming from day one.

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Absolutely. Keenan Allen, as you mentioned, wide receiver six, wide receiver 12, 12, and three with an average of 18 fantasy points for game across his four years with Justin Herbert. He was a whopping top 24 receiver, 62% of the time, which is insanely consistent for the wide receiver position averaging 10.3 targets per game and 27% target share.Absolutely, I think they are comparable skill sets here. And Lad, not just a slot guy. I played 69% of his snaps out wide in college, can get it done at every layer on all the types of routes. I could totally see him being that kind of slide in and not maybe Keenan Allen PERSON right away, but I don't know. It'll be too far off. You do rightfully mention the concerns with the scheme. Greg Roman PERSON,such a run-heavy offense has never been higher than 28th in total fast attempts besides one of his 11 years calling plays. That does seem like a concern, and it is, sure. But you look at when he was in San Fran, Ogros, across those three years, Michael Crabtree PERSON, 127 targets, 85 catches, 1100 yards, nine touchdowns. Anquam Bolden at age 33, 129 targets, 85 catches, 1179 yards, and seven touchdowns. And then you also got Bolden the next year, 130 targets, 83 catches, 1179 yards and seven touchdowns.And then you also got bold in the next year, 130 targets, 83 catches, 1,000 and 100 yards and five touchdowns. All those years were at least a mid-range wide receiver two, if not better, in those three fantasy finishes. So I don't think it's just a complete, oh, it's Roman. No one's going to ever throw it.No one's ever going to catch a ball. No. And this is Justin Herbert at the quarterback. That was with Alex Smith, the ultimate game manager, and then Colin Kaepernick for those talent end years. Now you get an arm like Justin Herbert. It's as if Jim Harbaugh will never adjust to the type of talent he has. There were talks that they were getting lots of calls to move Justin Herbert. And they did not even come close to entertaining them because of how much they love them. So you've got to imagine that at minimum, we're going to get a receiver seeing 120 or so targets from one of the best arms in the game. And I am with you that I think Ladd McConkey PERSON is that bet. All these guys, Xavier Worthy, Lad, Kean Coleman, top 40 wide receivers in my rankings here.So fringe wide receiver threes, but I think all three of them have upside to bust into that top 24 wide receivers if things bend right for them in the volume department. And it looks like it might. Those were the big ones to highlight between Marb, Xavier, and of course, Kean Coleman and Ladd is A pluses. There are a handful of other guys I do consider winners here.We don't need to go too deep into all of them. I'd consider it more of like a B to B minus landing spots, but they certainly got bumped up after the draft in my rankings compared to some other receivers we're about to talk about that neutral to losing landing spots. And those receivers, in my opinion, were Rome Wilson PERSON going pick number 84in round three to the Steelers ORG there. Malachi Corley also going in round three. Pick 65, the first or second pick there of round three going to the Jets ORG. And then Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, we already illuminated the fact that there's so much opportunity up for grabs here to be Drake May's number one guys. So all of those four guys to me were considered big winners. You also got to add in the fact that Polk went round two pick 37.So some nice draft capital there. And I thought Baker, one of the steals of the draft in round four at pick 110 so those were guys i also considered winners i have a few takes on all of them but i'd love to hear if you agree with these if there's any that you have questions on or anybody you think i'm forgetting as a potential winner here uh i'm i'm

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malachi corley doesn't really move the needle for me. Maybe I will hear your spiel from on Corley PERSON after this, but I think Roman Wilson PERSON is a notable winner.

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I mean, we've talked about guys strolling into the opportunity in these offenses,

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but you want to talk about strolling an opportunity? Roman Wilson is going to walk into this slot role for Pittsburgh ORG. Do you know who led Pittsburgh in slot routes last year?

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Would it not Deontay PERSON? No, it was Alan Robinson PERSON ran the most slot routes, like significantly,

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by a significant margin ran the most slot routes for Pittsburgh last year. So if that tells you what kind of, I don't know what else is going to tell you what

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kind of availability there is in terms of, in terms of the slot role in Pittsburgh ORG. And I mean, just like some non, some external thing just about like Wilson PERSON as a prospect. I mean, this is just like the type of guy that, um, Mike Tomlin's going to love just like certified winner, great guy out of Michigan ORG. And he's kind of like the antithesis of, um, of Deontay Johnson PERSON in terms of doing all of the other things.

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Like there's videos of him just mauling dudes into the ground, blocking for Blake Quorum over the years at Michigan ORG. So this is a guy that I can see getting on the field really quickly for a Mike Tolan PERSON offense.

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And the role is just it's right there for him. It's on a pedestal. I mean, beating out.

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Is Alan Robinson even on the Steelers roster anymore probably not if he is yeah i don't think he'll fit the field i mean like i know calvin austin is still on the roster and he ran a not it wasn't a ton

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but it wasn't nothing but i mean if all he has beat out is calvin austin and then like obviously like

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friarmouth is going to get some run out of a slot but there's nobody and just as a player I think the coaching staff's going to love them and just the lack of competition yeah this is this is a significant winner for me I absolutely agree and I point to

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Mike Tomlin's PERSON words himself who is usually pretty reserved in his praise for rookies especially

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he comes out and says he's a good player he's competitive and this in particular I thought was of note he creates separation at break points he's competitive, and this in particular I thought was of note. He creates separation at break points. He's battle tested on the interior portions of the field. I mean, you think about Deontay Johnson for years, but then also even before that, Antonio Brown PERSON, those are the type of receivers that have absolutely dominated workloads and been used to perfection in this Mike Tomlin PERSON offense. For sure, those guys that can really dominate, separate quickly and workthat, again, the battle-tested interior portion of the field, nothing screams more like a Mike Tomlin guy in addition to what you mentioned in terms of, he also highlighted that you can't say enough about the winning component in terms of how it shapes his relationships with the game and what they're willing to do, they're metal, and he checks a lot of those boxes. So he couldn't have, I've never seen Mike Tomlin PERSON honestly be this effusive in his praise for a rookie. He is in love with Roman Wilson PERSON.I agree to the fullest. This is in terms of player skill set, in terms of player mentality, the exact guy that he's going to want to go and win with. I'm a huge fan. I know you questioned the Balachi Corley PERSON judgment here.And really, it's just to me, Aaron Rogers coming back. I'm trying to project a potential like Randall Cobb style role back in the day where moved into the backfield, moved in the slot, lots of those designed yak opportunities. Maybe that's not what happens here. But they already talked about how, like, I think the quote was he'd run over his own grandmotherto get into the end zone was what the head coach there, Robert Salah PERSON, said about Malachi Corley, how much they love this, the dog nature of him and how they're going to use him, especially in those goal line packages there. A lot of Randall Cobb, who had multiple 12 to 15 touchdown seasons with Aaron Rogers at the helm. I see a very similar, similar type of skill set and roll mesh there for Malachi Corley, plus that nice draft capital being the first receiver taken in round three there.That's more so where I'm coming from there. Do you think there is any validity to that? Or are you just like, eh, no thanks?

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I've been, it's just hard for me to come up with a path for there to be three, like, legitimate fantasy threats in this offense. Like, I've always just kind of, I've been operating under the thought that this is going to be a pretty, pretty, I don't want to say slow, but like they're not going to be relied upon heavily. I think they're going to be playing a lot of low scoring games with that great Jets ORG defense.And I don't think Aaron Rogers is going to be asked to be like doing a ton. So, and you've obviously got your guy and Garrett Wilson PERSON. The second option, well, you can debate who's the one versus the two between Breece Hall and, uh, and Garrett Wilson PERSON, but you've got your obvious two offensive playmakers. And I think that Malachi Corley is going to bring a lot to the Jets ORG as a player. Like, I just think this is one of those situations whereMalachi Corley might help the team a lot. I just don't think he helps your, you're a fantasy roster too heavily. Like, you require a special, a special kind of offensive environment for three, three guys to be supported and be, make significant impacts.And I don't think anyone's really expecting Corley PERSON to make a significant impact. Maybe I'm like holding him to a little bit too high of what I'm expecting him to do. But I, I just like don't see three major fantasy impacts out of the Jets ORG offense. And we already know we've got two in Brees Hall and Gary Wilson PERSON.

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I totally see that argument. I guess the only counter I'll offer and then I'll quickly touch upon Baker and Polk PERSON for the Pats ORG and why I'm so pumped for them to be here. When you look at any game without Zach Wilson PERSON, since Robert Sala PERSON has been there, I mean, we're talking Mike White and Joe Flackle PERSON garbage quarterbacks.

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They actually average the most pass attempts per game

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with those two guys under center. I know the floor is not there anymore. And so it's a different coordinator. So I can't, I don't love Nathaniel Hackett PERSON. I get it that maybe he's not going to craft an offense that can sustain three guys. But we have seen them willing to chuck the rock.And that was with pretty much the same defense. It wasn't like they were in shootouts. They just love to chuck it, pass rate over expectation there. So there might be a situation when they finally get the quarterback that gave up so much to get and they kind of base their future on. Maybe they just want to prove the world wrong, let the thing go, and they sling it all overthe yard. I could see it. I could definitely see it. So don't get too discounted on my Al-Qaeda ORG Corley. I think it's going to be a really interesting role there in a Randall Cobb PERSON style situation. But just with the Pats ORG, too.Jalen Polk again, picked 37 round two and Baker, pick 110, round four. I thought this stat was really illuminating. You know Drake May PERSON has that cannon arm. That's what everybody's highlighting about him. Jalen Polk on his deep targets, a 99.9 pff grade, one of the highest graded wide receivers of this class.14 of 28, caught 50% of his balls of its targets there for 5167 yards and 5 touchdowns. And now, well, how did Javon Baker PERSON do on deep targets? 99.9 PFF grade as well. Cut 15 of 30. So another 50% catch rate, 5754 yards and four touchdowns. And another stat on Baker PERSON, I saw, I love this guy.I'm so pumped for him. 80% of his catches went for a first down or a touchdown, which is just an insane rate. So two big play guys, deep ball mavens, loading up with a cannon-armed quarterback in Drake May PERSON. So I thought these guys, deep ball mavens, loading up with a cannon-armed quarterback in Drake May PERSON. So I thought these guys, there's really, and who are who they competing with? As

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you mentioned, Pop Douglas, the number one receiver last year. Come on. I like Kendrick Bourne PERSON when he's

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healthy, but he's coming off an ACL tear. I don't see anything really. As long as these guys

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are as good as I think they could be. I think they're going to both be immediate day one starters, both in line for about 20% or so target share from a up and coming. Again, maybe Josh Allen quarterback from what the cops may say. So I think this is actually a sneaky, really good landing spot, and especially when you factor in draft capital for Polk PERSON. Yeah, I just want to take a second to appreciate that, John Baker PERSON sat that you pulled out.

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80% of his catches going for a first down or a touchdown.

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That's ridiculous.

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I mean,

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I remember two years ago watching Marvin Harrison against Penn State ORG, he had 11 catches and either 10 or all 11 went for first downs or touchdowns. And I was like, holy shit. Like that's an impressive performance. He did that for his entire collegiate career almost.

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I know. That's kind of ridiculous, but not getting too bogged down on these Patriots ORG guys, we can move on to the guys we gave a little bit more of a neutral grade. Starting with Malik PERSON neighbors, I mean, it's just so tough. Like, everyone loves them as a prospect, but now he's got, in his own words, he's got Janiel Dones PERSON as his quarterback. I don't know if you saw that interview from Ayer's. But, yeah, he's got, in his own words, he's got Janiel Dones as his, as his quarterback.

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I don't know if you saw that interview from Ayer's ORG. But, yeah, he's got Daniel Dones PERSON throwing the ball to him. It's tough.

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Like, I want to, it's not the perfect comparison, but I just kind of, I want to liken this to, like, to, like, Garrett Wilson going to the Zach Wilson Jets ORG. Like, he's got the talent to be fantasy relevant, but I'm not really, I'm not going to be prioritizing this guy in draft. He's going to slip down to the middle rounds if I had to guess, like sixth round or so, and for redraft leagues at least.And it's just he's got the talent to make the most out of a crappy situation, but there's only so much you can do as a wide receiver. I mean, you can get open every single time, but if the ball's not getting delivered to you on time and accurately, like, there's only so much you can do. So we saw Garrett Wilson PERSON be good as a rookie in a terrible situation. And I think that's, we can have similar expectations for neighbors. Like,he's got the talent, the run-after-the-catch skills to make explosive plays happen just completely on his own with that yak stuff. But I don't think we can have – I don't think we can shoe him in as the top 24 receiver, and I don't think he'll be drafted like that.

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Yeah, it's a tricky one for me because I agree completely that the quarterback talent is going to be a huge detriment here.

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Daniel Jones PERSON, absolutely garbage. Yet there is so much volume also up for grab because who's he competing with nobody here? Jalen Hyatt had his flashes last year. Sure, Derry Slaten PERSON can take the lid off the defense at times, but he should be Malik neighbors walking right into 130 to 150 targets. This is the exact example.I want to continue to reiterate too. Yeah, we gave it a C grade. He's still by far my second highest rated, both redraft and dynasty, rookie wide receiver, of course, Marvin ahead of him. But I do have neighbors sliding in at wide receiver 21 right now, which is a couple spots above the ECR. I know that it's a concern here. But I do think there's a little bit of floor baked in because if Daniel Jones does blow as much as he did last year, two years ago, he wasn't too shabby, but if he justnever returns to that form in his garbage, well, he did sign Drew Lock, and I'm not saying Drew Lock is this insane world-beater backup quarterback, but he cancelling that rock. He got a few moments in games last year, and hereally looked efficient. He impressed me for all honestly, I wouldn't even be stunned if he ends up beating out Daniel Jones PERSON. I know the money is in his pocket for Daniel Jones PERSON, but I don't know. Drew Locke PERSON,at least bakes in a little bit more floor because we saw when Tyrod Taylor PERSON even became the starter last year. I mean, Darius Slaten started to average 16 points per game down the stretch last season. That's Darius Slaten PERSON. So I believe in Brian Dayball PERSON.It's also why I don't think this is a complete failure of a landing spot. I think he can craft coming over again from those Buffalo ORG offenses. He does love to throw it. He can use his receivers in unique ways. I think they're going to move Malik PERSON neighbors all over the place, design a ton oflooks to get him the rock. And I think he could just be quarterback proof given how talented he is. I don't know. Maybe nobody's Daniel Jones PERSON proof. We'll find out soon enough. But even if Jones is that bad that Malik PERSON neighbors can't get it done,then I imagine they're going to be calling Drew Locke's PERSON number. And I think even Drew Locke PERSON's good enough to then get him the rock. We sell she. Some other neutral guys, we listed some talents I like, like Ad. Mitchell PERSON. I was stunned to see him fall all the way to 52 in round two. Going to the cults, we kind of labeled that a neutral situation.We'll talk about in a second. Xavier Leggett also going round 1. I like the Capitol, but to the Panthers at pick 32, it's tough to believe in anything tied to Bryce Young PERSON at the moment, even though he didn't get a fair shake last year. Still, it's not a situation I'm excited about at the minimal right now.Troy Franklin stunned to see him fall to round four pick 102 to the Broncos ORG. I'd love to call him a winner and I've got some reasons why I could, but that draft capital is also pretty damning. Brian Thomas falling to the Jags at pick 23. An interesting spot, but ultimately there's a lot of mouths to feed. They signed Gabe Davis.Calvin Ridley himself was quite inconsistent in that kind of deep outside threat role. I don't know that we can expect more from Brian Thomas PERSON. And then Jermaine Borton PERSON, who, again, this is a redraft focus show. I love Jermaine Borton PERSON. And Dynasty, given that T. Higgins is likely gone next year to be the number two for Joe Burrow PERSON. It's going to be awesome.But to be behind T. Higgins and Jemar Chase, yes, we've seen Tyler Boyd have some wide receiver three moments, but it's going to be tricky to expect Jermaine Burton PERSON to do anything substantial in redraft or at least consistently at that. But I do love the player, and I could see him being a monster as soon as 2025. So those are a few guys we had neutral grades on. Is there anybody you want to dive into deeper?And I got a couple points I'd like to make after we go to your guys first. Yeah, from a best ball perspective,

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I can see myself ending up with a lot of Brian Thomas PERSON. Just like he's one of those raw athlete, like super high ceiling guys, but we're not entirely sure what we're getting just because of, he played behind Malik neighbors last year. He didn't operate as an alpha receiver in the, in LSU ORG's offense. So, but, like, everyone loves the talent and just, like, the attributes, the combination of size and speed. And given the, the prices of the other Jacksonville ORG options, especially, like, TrevorLawrence, I think his ADPs in the 120s right now. So I'm looking forward to grabbing a fair fair amount. Like I can just see myself back doing a lot of these stacks. Like that was that offense was pegged to be like the breakout

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offense of 2023. And we didn't really get there like they had their moments. But we're seeing

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pretty significant reduction in prices for all these guys like Christian Kirk PERSON, Trevor Lawrence PERSON. And then we'll see where Brian Thomas settles out, but I like him as a town. We talked about him a little bit in our pre-draft show. I've always been interested in him, and I think this is a solid landing spot. Obviously, there's some competition with the respects to Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram, who's coming off a hundred catch season, and Zay Jones PERSON isn't nothing, in my opinion.So there's some competition, but with the prices, I can just see a lot of backdoor stacks with this Jacksonville ORG offense. And then I'll give my two cents on Jermaine Burton as our resident Bengals ORG guy.

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But, I mean, not a lot of people are expecting a big role for him in 2024.

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And I don't think it's going to be significant, but I mean, the Bengals ran three receiver sets at a top five rate in the league last year,

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and who are they trotting out there? I mean, like, I, for one, just like, I like Andreos Chavez, Yoshi. You kind of got to be pretty wrapped up into the NFL ORG or fantasy football to know that name. But he's kind of a flyer name out there. But who's going to be the third guy? And I know it's tough.So you've got Chase Higgins and Burton PERSON. Burton and Higgins PERSON, like they're not going to be like a slot type of guy. Chase got some run out of the slot. But Higgins and Burton PERSON both profiles would be like that vertical threat. And Burton PERSON's average his average yards per reception. I know it's like not a great stat or anything, but it's just like, it kind of tells you what kind of player is. It was 20 yards per receptional, actually.He's getting downfield.

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So I like, we'll, we'll see what happens with them throughout the off season. But it's hard to see him not out there, just given who's on the roster right now and the frequency at which they run three receiver sets. So I think he'll get some chances, but I agree. Like, this is a more setting yourself up for 2025when T. Higgins PERSON has departed. But do you have any specific thoughts on any of these other guys?

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Yeah, just to return to Brian Thomas PERSON, I think it's a really interesting point that in best ball, I'm certainly willing to keep going in. Now We were taking quite a bit at that like round six or so spot there, right around Calvin Ridley, in fact. And at this point, I would certainly bump him down quite a bit. He fell about 20 spots or so in my rankings. But in best ball, I do see the case there because 35% of Ridley's game last year went for 20 or more points.And that's exactly what you want in best ball, those big huge spikes, 31 point day on the record, 25, 22.6. We had those huge spikes. There's more so when Ridley didn't hit 5.2, 1.5, 4, 6.3. He was killing you in redraft when he wasn't hitting. But ultimately, he had those huge spikes to help you out in bestball where we don't worry when he's not hitting. So I could see this being one of those definite situations of veteran best ball for Brian Thomas and giving you maybe five to six of those huge spike weeks.That's really what you want in that kind of 70 to 80 range where I imagine he's going to start falling to. So I think that's a good point there. I just might avoid him in redraft myself. I did want to just mention Troy Franklin, given that I thought he was going to go round two. I really liked the player.And I love that he's now ended up with his college quarterback. I'm a little bit worried about that round four draft capital, given how predictive draft capital can be to future success. But the Broncos did come out and say Sean Payton that they had a round two great on him, that they had no idea why he fell that far, that they made sure to trade up and go get him.By the time he was still there in round four, they had to go up and get him and link up their college quarterback with his main weapon from there. We've seen how well Sean Payton PERSON can use the deep threats, but also, Troy Fling PERSON is not just the deep guy. He could get it done once he has the ball in his hands. He kind of becomes that running back, even though he's smaller.He's not a big, painful bruising guy, but he's very shifty, very crafty with the ball in his hand. So I think he could be used very intriguingly by Sean Payton PERSON linked up with his college quarterback. It's tough not to talk about A.D. Mitchell PERSON, just real quick, too, given that a lot of people expected him, myself included, to be a first round pick. Now, a lot of the, we highlighted this, a lot of the analytics guys thought, you know, the worst yards per route run ever for a projected first round pick.And just if he's so talented in the film when he pops, he pops, why is he not doing it more often? I thought all of that was very fair. And we saw him fall as a result here. So without the draft capital, it does have to make you get a bit concerned. Also, the fact that this is probably going to be a bottom 10 team in total pass attempts, assuming that Anthony Richardson PERSON stays healthy, they're definitelygoing to lean on him and his legs as well as Jonathan Taylor PERSON. So I just don't know that I see a pie here big enough for 80 Mitchell PERSON to also be sustained when you got target hog, Michael Pittman. I probably do see Josh Downs PERSON out of the slot, some more higher percentage looks, probably getting a little bit more volume than him too. So we're looking at the third guy on the target totem pole, as intriguing as the skill set is.And I love that Shane Steichen PERSON. He's got a rare ability to separate at the top of his routes. He's got an arsenal of releases versus press man. You see it on show up on tape to get him where we got him. I couldn't be more fired up. You love that comment.It's awesome. And he certainly will probably have a spike or two, probably four or five of them in there. So maybe in best ball, yeah, it could still be a guy that you go after. But to me, the volume just won't be there for any type of steady consistency in that lower draft capital really is a ding because that was what a lot of people were propping him up on. So a little bitnervous to see him go there. And I do not consider it a win because of it. Yeah, that's completely

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understandable. I mean, I think your point about just like the draft capital versus the production sums it up pretty well. Like, people assumed he was going to be a first round pick and that would justify his lack of efficiency in college. And now that he slid into the mid, it's not even like early second round. It was firmly like the mid-second round.So it's definitely concerning. But I think like if there's some light at the end of the tunnel, we're going to have a high, fast-paced offense in Indianapolis GPE. And we know what kind of harm strength we're dealing with with Anthony and Richardson. So I think, like you said, we can expect to get a couple of spike weeks out of A.D. Mitchell just with Anthony Richardson PERSON under center.And I just think there's going to be a quality offense in general. So with a receiver with a talent like A.D. Mitchell PERSON and just a high quality offense generally, I mean, it's kind of a given that he's going to have some performance throughout the season. And so I'm not too adverse to drafting A.D. Mitchell PERSON, but I am not as interested as I was pre-draft in our big board draft. So we'll see where his price shakes out. And he is going to be one of those guys who's taking probably a significant slide-down draft boards.But we'll see where he settles out. And we can reevaluate there. But yeah, I was disappointed with the landing spot for A.D. Mitchell PERSON, but I'm not completely given up hope yet. Yeah.

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And now we're moving to wide receiver losers. And I don't want to say we've given up hope on these guys. And we were laughing pre-shrone. Like, yeah, this guy's a loser in our eyes, Roma, Dunezay PERSON, this freak athlete that's making $8 million a year. Loser, yeah, come on.We know he's not a loser of a player. We know this guy's an absolute animal. We were drafted him at like pick 40 or so in our earlier best ball draft because in any other class, he would have been the wide receiver one. The guys of Beast, he's still my third highest guy in best ball rankings right now for these rookies, but it's hard to consider him anything but a loser in the terms of absolute landing spot for just redrafting it. Redraft purposes only given that he's now competing with Keenan Allen PERSON and DJ Mooretwo proven target hogs. Not that O'Donzey PERSON's not going to command some targets himself there, but a rookie quarterback on average has only averaged about 219 yards, even when they're selected in the top three picks. I know Caleb Williams is probably going to do a whole lot more than that with these weapons, given that he's known as the best prospect since Andrew Luck PERSON by a lot of evaluators. So I'm expecting him to average right around 250 or so, but is that enough to really sustainall three of these guys plus a guy in Cole Komet, plus D'Andre Swift PERSON coming out of the back. This is just a lot of mouths to feed. And so you put this note on here that I think is a good comparison. As good as JSN was, the number one receiver prospect of last year's class, when you're competing with Tyler Lockett and D.K. Metcalfoe PERSON,I also don't think are as much of Target Hogs as DJ Moore and Keenan Allen PERSON here. It just is there enough volume to sustain it? So it's hard to me consider Romo Duneesay PERSON, as much as I love the player. And long term, it's hard to really discount. You always want to bet on talent and dynasty. I have the pick 107 in our league,and I'm probably going to go Rome in hopes of him becoming the number two to number one guy within the next two to three years. But for next year, for redraft specifically, I don't know that I can really fall in love with this landing spot. And he fell a solid 30 to 40 picks,where I had him at like top through 39 or so before this landing spot overall. Now he's more so in the 70s in my opinion. Do you consider me crazy or what are your thoughts there? No, no.

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I mean, we all like, yeah, I put that little note in there. It's not a one to one comparison, but we all watched JSN ORG. I mean, everyone loved him as a prospect. Most people loved him as a prospect. And then he just just fell flat on his face. It was just too hard to compete with those guys.But in the case of Rome PERSON, from a redraft perspective, it's tough, and I'm not going to be drafting him aggressively. But if you're doing one of your dynasty rookie drafts in these next couple weeks,I think it's fine. I mean, Keenan Allen PERSON, it seems to be, it's just like a one-year rental and just like hopefully set up Caleb Williamsfor success down the road, just like start them off with some quality receivers and then allow Rome to develop and become that wide receiver two, the true wide receiver two in his second year with Chicago ORG. So it's not like a bad landing spot in the long term, but I agree like for this year, for 2024, it's just, it's not like a bad landing spot in the long term, but I agree like for this year, for2024, it's just it's really tough. And I don't see him just getting there on volume. It's like I said it about worthy. It's going to just take some ridiculous efficiency. And I mean, we'll get the weeks. We'll get the weeks out of Rome PERSON in best ball.He'll be, he'll have some, some good ones. But I'm just not seeing it in a season long.

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No, me neither. Although I will just say, I believe in the player almost enough to say, like, if he beat out DJ Moore PERSON and Keenan Allen to be the number one guy this year, it wouldn't stun me.Now, those are two very highly established guys, and I don't expect that. But if we kind of rewound this, they were playing fantasy receipts game here of looking at our takes that look bad, wouldn't stun me if Rome PERSON just kind of shoved pie in our face.Like, nope, I am that good to be the number one weapon for the number one quarterback prospect from day one. I could see that as well. But for right now, it's hard to project it as anything but the number three right now. Ricky Pearson PERSON also in a very similar situation,impressive draft capital going all the way to pick 31 round one guy that a lot of people thought might be more of a round two prospect. And I always enjoy when an offensive mind like Kyle Shanahan PERSON draft somebody and raves about how he can do it all from the outside, from the inside, at every layer. You love to see all that. But similar to Rome, he's playing behind Brandon Ayuk PERSON andDebo Samuel. Had they traded one of those guys, then bam, off to the races, Ricky Purcell PERSON, would be in love for 2024. But until one of those guys is gone, and everybody knows that in 2025, one of Debo or Iuke, there's no way they can afford them both. So next year, I'm going to be in love with Ricky. I think he is a beast. You saw the way like C.J. Stroud PERSON reacted, oh, man, I wanted this guy on my team. He's always open. A lot of draft pundits coming out and saying he could catch 100 balls is the rumblings.I think it was Schrager who said, you know, Chanahan expects this guy to walk in and just catch like 90 balls right off the jump. I just don't see the back to that type of volume when you're competing with those two guys, plus Christian McCaffrey, plus George Kittle PERSON. Yes, down the road. I think this is a smash landing spot. So this is why we want to emphasize this is redraft, not dynasty. But from day one, I don't see the path to Ricky Purcell PERSON getting any type of consistent playing time or volume,unless there's an injury in which case, yeah, he would definitely seem to step up here. But a guy I know you liked a lot entering our early best ball drafts. What do you think about the spot? Because it is an intriguing offense, of course, but just so many mouths.

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Yeah, a guy I've loved as a player throughout this pre-draft process. Yeah, I'm going to be pretty much out on Ricky Pearson, unless something happens with either IUC or Dibeau PERSON. I mean, throughout Shanahan's tenure in San Francisco, and specifically in 2020, bottom of the barrel in three wide receiver sets. And I mean, Pearsall is not going to jump Debo or IUke into those two receiversets. That would be insane to say.So if and when the opportunity is there for him to earn a regular role in San Francisco GPE, I'm going to love it, just like you said. But right now on August, or sorry, not in August, April 29th, he does not have that opportunity. So it's just, it's a hard, really hard time to make the case for him. And if you're not on the field, you can't catch passes. And right now he is, unless like there's a hard, really hard time to make the case for him. And if you're not on the field, you can't catch passes. And right now he is, unless like there's a significant offense.Like, I don't think Ricky, or Ricky Pearsall PERSON is like the type of player that makes Kyle Shanahan significantly change his offensive scheme to include three more wide receiver sets. So, I mean, like, you can maybe make that argument for a higher caliber prospect, but that is not Ricky Pierce PERSON, so I don't think we're going to be seeing a significant change in how the 49ers offense operates next year or in 2024. So this is a more of a long-term investment for Dynasty ORG or maybe a keeper league.But, yeah, in redraft, unless something happens before week one, yeah, he should, he's not off the radar, but he's not someone to be hyper-targeting by any means.

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Yeah, two other guys listed in the losers' cons that are very made of a similar mold. He's almost like a wide receiver handcuff. Jalen McMillan in round three going pick 92 to the bucks. Decent capital for the guy. A player I actually really, really liked. I had him pre-draft right next alongside Jalen Polk PERSON.So I'm a big fan of the player, but a big body slot guy, that's what Chris Godwin PERSON does. And I just don't see a path to playing time as long as Godwin and Evans PERSON are both on this team. And similarly, Malik Washington, one of my favorite prospects, one of my favorite evaluators, Danny Kelly PERSON, love this guy. I felt all the way to round six.I couldn't believe it. It goes to pick 184. And similar to the personal argument, when a guy like Mike McDaniels PERSON, a bright offensive mind, a great scouter of talent, he was pumping his fist. He was stoked to get Malik Washington PERSON. I love that a genuine, like, play caller gets a guy like that he's fired up about. It makes me fired up too.But then you just think, okay, Tyree Kill, Jalen Wattle PERSON, they've really never had a third wide receiver do anything on this team. So to me, it is more of a handcuffed situation at wide receivers. The guy did have 110 catches last year, led the country, nearly 50% of his team's receiving yards. He can get it done. He's great in and out of his breaks.I thought he'd be an awesome slot weapon. Maybe the best slot receiver in this draft. Why did he fall so far? I don't know if he's that good, but I really did like the player. So maybe McDaniels does craft around him a little bit more and get three receiver sets. I still have a tough time seeing him carve out any type of value without an injury.But one of those guys, similar to Ricky PERSON, if there was something to happen to a guy in front of them would be going right into a great system with quality quarterback play with a guy that would know how to use him. So it's hard to call him a complete loser, but he probably needs an injury to come into value, in my opinion. Yeah, it's pretty brutal. I mean,

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it's just so highly concentrated between Waddle and Hill that nobody last year even had more than the third highest number of targets in Miami last year was Durham Smyth with 42. So no one really doing anything significant outside of the two big dogs in Miami GPE. So more likely than not, it's going to take an injury, like you said. So someone that I think we should be interested in the talent in and someone who has a skill set that Mike McDaniel has continually proven to be able to use to the best of their abilities.So it's exciting in terms of a landing spot and his skill set meshing with the offensive scheme. But unless something happens to one of those guys, I just don't seem having the opportunity to succeed.

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Yeah, and one receiver that we didn't talk about that, I saw a couple of questions coming about is Devontes Walker. How do we feel about his landing spot with the Ravens ORG? I don't hate it. I'd probably put him closer to the neutral to loser category, just given the volume in Baltimore isn't going to be great, but great deep threat with a quarterback that has absolutely slung it before with Lamar Jackson. Todd Monkin PERSON loves to get these guys streaking down field. And there's a path to other than Zay Flowers PERSON. Yeah,Rashad Bateman got his extension. He's done nothing at all throughout his career. So I don't love that player. I could see a path to Devontes walking, at least carving out that deep debt roll. So I'd probably grade him as like a C-minus or so landing spot with a smaller pie, but probably the right skill set to thrive with Lamar PERSON with that play caller. Do you have any quick thoughts on DeVantz before we moved to our last two positions here?

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I agree that it's an ideal landing spot for a guy that was drafted. So the question that I've just been asking myself throughout this pre-draft process is just whether or not he was carried by Drake May PERSON. I mean, it was pretty obvious that that offense

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was on life support outside of just like Drake May doing it all and making things happen, especially this last season. So that's just like the only question I'm asking myself, like, is this guy actually good? Or was he just carried by a future top three pick?So I lean towards like he's like actually worthy of being an NFL ORG caliber receiver and landing in a receiver room that hasn't really had like a consistent guy. I mean, you can say what you want about Zay Flowers PERSON. I'm not the biggest fan in terms of him being a true alpha in a wide receiver room. But beyond Zay Flowers, I mean, yeah, you said, Rashad Damon's still there. They seem to like him enough to give him an extension, but the competition is minimal.

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So there's certainly a path for him to have relevance, but I am not just given the draft capital and everything else. I'm just not super interested, but someone I'm definitely keeping my eyes on. And he'll be drafted in basketball drafts.

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So someone to definitely consider, but he doesn't like pop off the page by any means.

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Absolutely.

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We're going to move on to our next position. Just a second. We'll pack over 250 of you with us. Love to see it. Thank you so much for being here. If you enjoy what you're hearing, please do consider that thumbs up button helping us continue to grow to continue to get outto more people. We so appreciate you being here and watching the show. And of course, get your questions and comments in. As we do our draft, we will be answering those Krona, some great discussion topics as you always bring up. We cannot wait to hit all those questions and keep them coming on in. We'll make sure to hit those. We're now moving into the running back position and this will be a bit shorter than the receivers because unfortunately there was not very many winners. Me and you have been texting throughout the weekend just damn this guy goes here. Another one bites the dust. Nobodyco-into the cowboys and then ultimately a charger is not investing in the position till round six. So very hard to call anyone a huge winner. Besides Jonathan Brooks PERSON, who we both agreed was in a tier of his own as a running back talent. Actually, the more I've thought about it, started to really like this landing spot.I know there's some warts here, but you look at him landing with the Panthers and what Dave Canals, their new head coach, did with the pucks, he fed Rashad White 336 touches, second most in the league behind only CMC. And when he's right and healthy, Jonathan Brooks, I think, is 10 times a player. I'm not a huge Rashad White PERSON guy.And so if he's willing to feed that guy 330 touches, I imagine once Brooks PERSON is good and ready to go, he's also going to be fed. He talked about Dave Canales PERSON when he was introduced before drafting John Brooks PERSON, how much he wants to stay committed, stay stubborn was his word choice with the run game. And then he goes and adds two premium mauling runguards in run blocking guards in free agency. The first two big signings they make, they've also added a bit of talentaround now, Bryce Young PERSON. And again, I am a little bit cautious here, given how bad. I mean, that was the most painful offense to watch in the entire league last year. Absolutely horrendous. There's no way around it. The Panthers ORG were the worst show in town. But again, Adam Thieland's your ride receiver one.Your line sucks. I don't know that I could give up on Bryce Young PERSON quite yet, even though it didn't pass the eyeball test at all, didn't elevate anybody really around him. I still think they've made all the moves you kind of have to make to at least give this guy in this offense a shot. And Jonathan Brooks PERSON, it all comes down to how is that knee.I know he tore it towards the end of last year, but once he's healthy and all the reports are that he's going to be by training camp, no, it wasn't the Cowboys ORG. It's what we all wanted. Didn't happen. But at least there's a path to a play caller that loves to use his guys on an offense that should take a big step forward this year.So Jonathan Brooks PERSON, to me, was one of the bigger winners at the running back position. My running back 26 now in best ball rankings jumped up a couple spots. I would have been, again, running back probably 15 had he gone to the Cowboys ORG, but ultimately not the worst landing spot, in my opinion.Am I crazy, though, or the Panthers ORG just that bad that we can't even sniff him?

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No, I don't think you're crazy at all.

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I mean, it wasn't the Canales ORG, so it's not, it's a little bit comparing apples and oranges.

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But I mean, we saw once Miles Sanders overtook, not once that Chuba Hubbard PERSON overtook

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my own Sanders last year, we saw him getting 20 touches a game and obviously different coaching staff. So we had different expectations. But like you mentioned, I mean, they fed, right. Canales was a part of an offense that fed, uh, Roshan White last year.

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So you, you never really know. I just think it really comes down to the, to the health. Like, it's not a question of is Jonathan Brooks going to overtake Chuba Hubbard PERSON or or Miles Sanders, whoever is the pseudo RV1. It's not a question of, is Jonathan Brooks going to overtake Chuba Hubbard or Miles Sanders PERSON, whoever's the pseudo-R-B-1? It's a question of when. And if you can do that in the first quarter of the season, I think he's going to be a top 20 running back. But if it's like, if it is if it's halted off for a little bit, if it takes a little bit longer than we expect,whether just because the team's not comfortable or if you just physically isn't ready to take on a four workload, it could be a number of things. But if that doesn't happen until like a little bit later in the season, even maybe even in the second half, I don't think it will take until the second half of the season for him to really come out of his shell and be the true running back one for the Panthers ORG. But yeah, it's just really the health. And the training camp reports are really going to drive his ADP. So if they're negative, it's going to cause a lot of people to come off of them.And I'll probably jump back in because I think no matter what really happens, unless he has another injury, the, the 2024 season ends with Jonathan Brooks PERSON as the top running back in Carolina ORG. So, I mean, I will see where his ADP shakes out for BBM, but it's looking like he's going to be one of the cheaper guys who's like a shoeing to be the starting running back on their team.I don't, shooing might be too aggressive, but I just don't see a reality where they spend a second round pick and a guy with the talent like Brooks doesn't overtake Chuba Hubbard PERSON. I mean, I don't know about you, but I think it's more of a formality. And this is just, this is Brooks PERSON' job to have whenever he's healthy and capable of handling an NFL-sized workload. I mean, and not only a second round

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pick, they traded up to get him too. That was some hefty capital they gave up.

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So clearly they had a vision in mind.

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I agree completely with you. Once he's ready to go, I think 15 to 20 touches at minimum will be the expectation. So I'm looking forward to that. It ends up being a winning spot. Now, in terms of other guys, nobody got quite a boost like Jonathan Brooks PERSON in landing spot. There are a handful of guys that I thought landed in decent locations,albeit with some lower draft capital, so maybe we're just going to be spinning our wheels talking about guys that don't really matter. And one of the biggest takeaways actually of this draft to me. We'll talk about it on another show. But in terms of veteran running backs,maybe what we're drafting, we'll mention some of these guys. Some guys like Zamir White, Zach Moss PERSON, Gus Edwards PERSON, guys, we've actually been drafting a decent amount.So I was happy to see it, are ultimately going to be in line for probably 250 or so touches, which is madness because their teams did not invest or invested very little in the running back position. But all that being said, we're focused on rookies, we're focused on redraft here.I think Ray Davis is probably the second biggest winner of the running back position, landing in a great offense with the bills. And yes, James Cook PERSON will be the main back. I do think James Cook is in a great spot to see a ton of receiving volume, given that Keene Coleman PERSON's the only offensive player. They added as a pass-catching focus there in this draft.I'd like James Cook a lot, but I also could see Ray Davis PERSON playing that souped-up Latavius Murray role. I believe you looked it up. He had some pretty astounding goal-line usage, if I'm not mistaken, right? Latavius Murray PERSON did?

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Yeah, he was top 12 in the league as in terms of carries from inside the five. So he was, he had the goal line role pretty much on lock. And even when they flipped from Ken Dorsey to Joe Brady PERSON, I know that was a time where we saw a change up in the usage for James Cook PERSON. And a lot of people point to that to being a positive in terms of James Cook PERSON outlook for, for 2024.But even when that offensive coordinator change came, Lat Murray PERSON still somehow hung on to that goal line role and was the primary guy that they were going to inside the five. So if Ray Davis PERSON can come in and I think it's pretty feasible for that to happen and take on that goal line role, his competition will be Josh Allen,unfortunately. He's not just competing with James Cook PERSON for that role. But, I mean, there's a lot of questions about this offense, but I still think it'll be quality. I think Josh Ahun PERSON is a strong enough quarterback to carry along thethe weekend receiving court that's now highlighted by Keon Coleman PERSON. But if he's able, if Ray Davis PERSON is able to come in here and take on a little bit more of the in between the 20s work than Latte Murray, because Latte Murray last year was basically exclusively like third and short and then, and then picking up the goal line work.So if he's able to take on that Latmurie PERSON plus role where he's getting work in between the 20s, I don't think we're going to see him as much as a past catcher, but kind of that ground and pound throughout the length of the field and then get used at the goal line. I think he can be fantasy relevant. I don't think he's going to be like a game changer, like guy you need to have drafted in the last couple of rounds of drafts. I think James Cook is going to pretty handily control the touches in Buffalo ORG.But he's definitely a guy that I was interested in pre-draft. And the landing spot, I mean, I think my level of interest remains the same. It's not great, but it's definitely like a positive. And then with these other guys, I think the only one that I'm super interested in is Tyrone Tracy PERSON. I mean, at this point, we're talking about guys. Tracy, fifth round draft capital, Vidal and Lauby, Lauw, however you want to pronounce it, six-round draft capital. So, you're kind of like picking at straws with these guys.I mean, running backs who are drafted in this range, they rarely work out. I mean, like people are going to point to Kyron Williams, but I think that's more, I think most people recognize that's more of an anomaly than an expectation.So Tracy PERSON, like the wide receiver, converted wide receiver, he provides some interesting traits that I think the Giants ORG could use. And I'm not completely sold, or I don't think anyone is sold on Devin Singletary PERSON being like a high quality NFL ORG running back. He does what the coaches need. We've talked about him just being aninnings eater type of guy. He does everything well enough that he stays on the field and he's not a liability out there. So he can be on the field pretty regularly. But I think Tyrone and Tracy PERSON can compete. I don't think it's that hard to steal work away from, steal work away from Devin Singletary PERSON. And then with Lauby and Las Vegas,I was really hoping that the Raiders ORG were going to take someone because I'm not the biggest as a mere white guy. I've always, I said throughout the draft process, like if anyone lands in Las Vegas, they can be competing with white for touches. But unfortunately, like, the skill set for Alavi, just like, it doesn't, it doesn't project to be highly used in Antonio Pierce PERSON scheme.Like, we see he fell in love with Josh Jacobs PERSON. Like, he talked about he was their key to winning when he was healthy. And then they go to another like mammoth of a man in, in, in, in, in Zemir White PERSON later in the season when, uh,Jacobs PERSON wasn't healthy. And I, I'm sure you've seen those off-season workout videos from Zemir White PERSON.

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And, uh, yeah,

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Laobie PERSON is just like, he's not remotely even similar. Like, they're not even close to the same running backs lab versus, uh, White and, uh, Jacobs PERSON. So I don't think he's the remotely even similar. They're not even close to the same running backs lab versus White and Jacobs. So I don't think he's the type of running back that Antonio Pierce PERSON is looking for. So I'm not like super excited about it.I think he can siphon off some of the past catching work because that is not exactly White PERSON's wheelhouse. So I think that's where he can make his mark. But the sixth round draft capital and just like what I think that Antonio appears values and running backs, it's tough to see a world where Zemir White PERSON isn't handling the vast majority of touches.

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I'll put just a couple counters for you. We'll start with Dylan Lobby PERSON. The one, actually one of my original fans wrote to me right after the draft, Mr. Gonzo PERSON, I don't know if you're watching, but shout out to you. He connected to a couple dots, and you've seen the comparison. Dylan Lobby and Danny Woodhead PERSON, and it's like, okay, a white pass catcher running back.

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But Todd Telesco is actually, or Tom Telesco, was the Chargers ORG GM when they made a point to go out and get Danny Woodhead from the Patriots ORG who had, you know, 90 catch seasons over there. And now he goes and drafts Dylan Labbe PERSON, who, whether it's just because he's, you know,

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a small pass catching white running back or not, he is one of the best past catching backs in this class. Some people calling him the best route runner there. He was a senior bowl stud. And yeah, sure, coming from UNH ORG, and faced the best of competition. I did actually get to see him face Holy Cross ORG when I went out to a game, though.And he popped off the playage, and he was running all over the field, catching the ball. He had nine catches against us. The kid can absolutely play. And sure, I think Zemir White PERSON will dominate the carry total. But I could see Lobby walking into 40 the carry total, but I could see Labewalking into 40 to 50 catches given that comparison to Danny Woodhead PERSON, given the GM ORG going out and getting a guy that he once had that type of role, wouldn't stun me at all if we saw Labeultimately catch 40 to 50 balls. And if something happened to Zemir White PERSON, or if Zemir White's just not getting it done, don't rule the kid out. I think he's a baller that his small school stature drove him down a little bit. But man, he could if he gets the opportunity and I think he will, I wouldn't be a surprise at all if he ends up being a player and there's a path to it, it with the Raiders ORG,one of the most open opportunities. And open opportunities are also abound there for Tyron, Tracy PERSON, and the Giants ORG, you highlight a lot of it, but just the numbers here, 375 total opportunities vacated. Most of those because of Sequan Barkley PERSON leaving, but that was 87.6% of the backfield total opportunities last year. So Tyron Tracy PERSON, a very versatile player once a receiver, as you highlighted,I could see him getting a very intriguing role. I'd still believe in Davey PERSON, as we talked about with neighbors. I could see Tracy PERSON carving out a nice receiving role there as well. So I like both of those guys, but I did want to also highlight Kamani Vidal PERSON, co-ing to the Chargers ORG,who we labeled the second best spot behind only the Cowboys for running backs. Of course, the Cowboys ORG do not take anybody. They did resign Zika PERSON, and we'll talk about him. I see your question, Krona PERSON, on that.But ultimately, Vidal, landing with the charges, we know Greg Roman PERSON, top three in rush attempt in every single year calling plays except one, nine out of ten years. He loves the run game, and it's a great, it's a creative run scheme. He mixes the power concepts, lots of polls, but then gets some zone in there. It's just a great, great, if he gets a diverse runner, it is awesome.And right now, they only have Gus Edwards, who's 29 and has never, he's never, I think his 700 career carries at age 29. He's barely seen a workhorse load ever in his career. And then you got J.K. Dobbins PERSON, who we've never seen stay healthy coming off an Achilles injury that typically ruins rushers. I could see Kamani Vidal and got those Maurice Jones-Drew PERSON style comparisons and I don't even know if you knowwho Maurice Jones-Drew PERSON was back in there because we were talking about Cadillac Williams PERSON, but it's harkening back to one of my earlier fantasy seasons when MJD PERSON was a wavewire pickup and ultimately had 20 touchdowns, that short squat body that can also catch the ball.Vidal was visiting the Chargers ORG time and time again. There was lots of rumblings that they were in love with this kid pre-draft and they make sure to go out and get him. Yes, round six draft capital, don't love it. And I don't expect that to ultimately yield a humongous role. But also an injury prone and maybe not fully healthy, J.K. Dobbins PERSON and then justGus Edwards PERSON, who I think Gus Edwards PERSON is in a great spot to yield some humongous value where he's getting drafted right now. But even still, we can't sit here and act like he is this world beater. I could see Kamani Vidal PERSON carving out a pretty significant role. And if there is an injury to either of those guys ahead of him,especially if it's Gus Edwards PERSON, wouldn't be shocked at all. A three-down skill set coming out of Troy ORG there. I was my kind of favorite sleeper running back of this class, and he goes and lands in one of the juiciest opportunities you could possibly ask for. So he's a guy that has flown up my rookie ranks.I already had him pretty high because, like I said, he was my favorite rookie sleeper running back. But now, I mean, he's contending with some of these bigger names that yielded much worse landing spots, in my opinion. He's going to become one of those guys that I drafted at the end. You know, Kyron Williams was my guy last year. I think Kamani Vidal PERSON is going to be that last round running back that I snag in nearly every best ball draft.I'm a humongous fan of the player and the landing spot.

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Yeah, I mean, it's pretty obvious the level of opportunity in LA GPE. I mean, they didn't add a notable name, and it's just Dobbins, who has not been able to maintain a healthy season throughout his career, and Edwards PERSON, who, he's just a guy. Like, he's no difference maker. He can do what's asked of him, but he's never really asked to do that much. You don't really like plan, build your offense around him. So I agree the opportunity is there.And I think I've learned my lesson taking on listening to you about these late around stab, especially the rookies. So I may have to take, come on even a little more seriously, because the path is pretty clear. I mean, we know that they're going to want to run the ball a ton, like, because the path is pretty clear. I mean, we know that they're going to want to run the ball a ton, like that that's what we're getting out of Harbaugh. And the talent is certainly lacking. And yeah, there's certainly a possibility where he may, he's that I don't think there's a reality where he like turns into like a Chiron Williams, who's like a sixth round pick and ends up being about Belkow PERSON like i don't think that's going to be the case but meaningful work is certainlylike within the range of outcomes like some like a handful of carries a game like some games crack and double-digit carries like if if someone goes down or something like the the path is there so yeah i think it may be time for me to consider Kamani and Gall PERSON a little bit more closely. But on to some of the guys that we think have a little bit more neutral landing spots. And one guy that was some people considered to be the top running back, top prospect in this class, Trey Benson lands in the early third round with the Cardinals ORG.And it's not a great landing spot just because he is guaranteed to be behind James Connor PERSON. So it's going to be tough for him to come by work. And we've talked about how we like James Connor PERSON just like as one of those underrated guys who consistently produces and can kind of do everything. There's no like glaring flaw to his game. He's no like game breaker, game changer guy, but he does everything well. He can catch the ball. So it's kind of a tough landing spot for Trey Benson PERSON in that sense that he's gota guy behind or in front of him who doesn't have a super exploitable flaw. But it's not necessarily a flaw, but James Connor PERSON, we've talked about a little bit. He consistently missed his time. The

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note you put in here missed at least four games and six out of his seven seasons in the league. So he's a shoe in to miss a handful of games every single season. And you never really know if that, I mean, it's impossible to predict injuries, especially like these minor injuries that only keep them out for a couple of games. It's tough to predict if and

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when those are going to happen. But if Trey Benson PERSON is given that opportunity, I mean, he's the type of player that could, at a minimum, if he's given the opportunity, like maintain a role even when Connor PERSON comes back. I don't want to say he would, like, completely overtake Connor as the top running back in Arizona GPE. But I think if he's given the chance and he'll be able to maintain a consistent role and, like, produce a split backfield. And I think you could do that even without a counter injury.Like, I liked him as a prospect. I was going back and forth for a little while, ultimately settled on thinking that Brooks PERSON was the top talent out of this draft class. And Benson as the second running back. But so people regarded him to be a quality prospect. I mean, like, I know this is a bad running back class and he ended up with third round draft capital.But I still think there's a world where he carves out a role regardless of a Connor injury. So I don't think it's like a completely like dust. Like we're not going to consider Trey Benson PERSON as a fantasy asset. But it's not great. Like he's clearly going to be the second guy.And unless something significant happens to Connor PERSON, I don't think's clearly going to be the second guy. And unless something significant happens to Connor, I don't think we're going to be seeing a high volume or high workload for Trey Benson in his rookie season. Is that about where you're at with Benson PERSON?

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Yeah, it is definitely a handcuff in my opinion. But as you mentioned, a handcuff that's likely to see some starting work. And depending on when that happens, I mean, we're talking about a guy in Trey Benson that is 220 pounds and ran a 4-3-9. I mean, that's like Breach Hall PERSON, Jonathan Taylor. Very few guys have that type of size and can move that fast. So wouldn't shock me at all should he start and then just be too good to give it back over? I don't know. I wouldn't surpriseme at all. Yeah, he fell to round three. So he's certainly not this type of generational prospect like those guys were drafted far earlier. But he's got the build. He's got that three-down skill set, pretty solid pass catcher. I think a little untapped parts of his game there. And we know how involved they like to get their running backs there in Arizona GPE.The passing is why James Connor has been such a useful fantasy asset these last few years. So whether that's because he just flashes and is so good they can't keep him off the field and he just overtakes Connor PERSON, probably unlikely, but it's in the realm of possibility. But certainly if and when Connor PERSON does, unfortunately, have that injury inf come and nip him like it always does, I could see him taking that ball opportunity and just going to the point where they can't turn it back and give it to him.And certainly for the longer term outlook, again, this isn't a dynasty show. We're focused just on 2024 today. We'll talk about Dynasty ORG on another podcast. But ultimately, I do love this spot long term for Benson PERSON. I think it's on the last year here of James Connor Deal PERSON. If not, you know, only two more years there.And he could absolutely be that three down back of the future, learning from a true veteran like Connor PERSON or workman, the right guy to raise him up. I'm a big fan of Benson PERSON long term. It's more so not a huge diehard of this 2024 outlook. But a guy that's in a similar spot, in my opinion,is Jalen Wright going to the Dolphins ORG, another crowded kind of mess of a situation where you have Rahim Moster, Devon A. Chan PERSON. But then you also look at how damn productive this backfield is, whoever it is getting the opportunity. So if we've seen Mostert and A. Chan both struggle with injuries. I know A. Chan's only one year in, butsmaller build. And Mostert now at age 33 and he lasted all last year. But, man, I'd be stunned if that continues this year. There could be a path where Jalen Wright becomes a lead back at some point for the Dolphins. And we saw, you know, 40 point days from Devon H.N. H.N. last year. There's also the floor of Jailen Wright PERSON doesn't even sniff the field at all this year, given that he's got two pretty solid backs in front of him that have produced at really high levels. But if he does get on the field, I'm a huge fan of the game. Again,sub four4 speed at 215 pounds, a quality receiver. And Mike McDaniels, like I talked about with Kyle Shanahan PERSON, whenever he drafts, especially running backs, he was the 49ers ORG run game coordinator. This is a guy that really knows his type, and we've seen his type flourish whenever they get the chance. So all it's going to take is either an injury or right to just flash in camping. I like the player a lot.So I wouldn't be shocked at all if he does. And we had a quote from Mike McDaniel there where he said, I think all the players benefit when we have this many running backs with talent because there's supreme urgency to do right with the ball if you deserve to have it. So that kind of quote tells you that it's not like, no, Devon A-chan's our lead guy and Rihamoster's the second up and maybe Wright PERSON will getsprinkled on it. It's like if Wright PERSON's going to be the best guy, he'll get the looks. That's again, two big mountains to climb ahead of those guys. But whether it's injury or Wright PERSON just flashes, this is a backfield that can yield humongous value. And so just because it's crowded right now, I don't want to just cross off Jalen Wright PERSON.And that's why he's not a loser in my draft landing spot grades because of how good it could be if he gets that chance. It's just a bit murky for how he'll get there.

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Yeah, I don't like I feel like it's almost a guarantee that at some point in the season, either A-chan or Moster PERSON will get a little dinged up, and I don't think Wright PERSON will come into a starting role,but at a minimum get some touches. And I think this is just like a total mess of the backfield. Like, in terms of like the player and the offensive fit, it's great. Like, like, everyone would be excited for Jaylen Wright heading to the, the dolphins just in terms of his skill set and what Mike McDaniel can do. But this is like a total nightmare of a backfield. Like this is the type of thing that it makes me want to like procrastinate having a take on it. Like it's just like you can see it going

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like so many different ways. And the quotes from Mike McDaniel don't really help in terms of like trying to figure out what this depth chart and the opportunities are going to look like. So this is one of those ones that's just going to be highly debated throughout the offseason.

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And in my opinion, I think this hurts the my value Devon A. Chan PERSON the most out of all, simply because his price is just going to be so significantly higher. And I've, like, stood by this throughout the off season. I am, and I don't think anyone would, like, bark at it. I don't think that he is a workhorse back. Like, he's not going to be taking on a ton of touches every single week.And we can debate this throughout the off season, but I don't, I think the landing spot is solid, but it's just going to be a mess.

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It could be messy indeed, but the upside is high. That's why you can't call it a complete loser of a spot. And then the last guy we had in that neutral category, I didn't even put his name on the tag here. But Bucky Irving PERSON, obviously, athletically,was so underwhelming at the combine. But then you put the tape on and you see the skill set, great, great pass catcher. I said Dillelabay PERSON had the upside to be the best pass catcher of this class, but I definitely think it will be Bucky Irving PERSON. He's got that really, really uniquequickness and he plays so much faster than the time 40 might suggest. And you look at his actual miles per hour when clocked on the season, he was the fourth highest back of this class. So,I'm not overly worried about the bad testing. I get that Rashad White PERSON, 336 touches, like we talked about already. He was an absolute monster from volume perspective, but they've talked all year about how they wanted to lessen that role. That minimum, I could see Bucky Irving coming in and eating a ton of receiving workto lessen that load for Rashad White PERSON, which makes me a big concern. We're going to talk about veteran winners and losers on another show as well, but I am a little concerned with Rashad White PERSON seeing that type of workload, I think is a definite no in 2024. And I could see little concerned with Rashad White PERSON seeing that type of workload I think is a definite no in 2024. And I could see Bucky Irving PERSON really doing some damage as a receiver. Plus, if something does happen to White, he's got that three-down skill set. So the kind of classichandcuffed with benefits. I think there's a clear role from day one. And I could see him evolving into a featured back if anything does happen to Rashad White PERSON. So I call this a nice neutral situation here for Bucky Irving PERSON.

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Yeah, I'm not as concerned about how the situation looks for Bucky Irving PERSON. I'm going to be a lot more nervous about Rashad White PERSON than I think other people are going to be. I mean, I don't, Rashad White didn't, he did everything for the Bucks last year. He was out there for all three downs and he was catching passes. He was taking all the carries. And I think this was simply a function of them just not having anyone better to do anything else.I don't think it's that Rashad White is like an insanely good running back who deserves to have 330 touches in a season and like should be out there for every single snap. I just don't think that they had a better option and they were comfortable giving Rashad White PERSON. And so when his volume gets rained back in a little bit, he's going to have to get there on efficiency or touchdowns. And that makes me pretty nervous. Like he's not the type of talent that I want to be betting on when his volume gets pulled back in. So we'll, I don't, it's too early to say like how steep his price is going to fall.I anticipated to come down some, but if it doesn't come down enough, I'm going to be pretty nervous about Rashad White PERSON. And I can see myself being off of Rashad White throughout the summer. But like I said, it's going to, it's going to take some, a couple of weeks for this ADP to, like, fully, like, flesh itself out and see where everyone's really landing. So we'll revisit this, like, in a couple of shows,perhaps, and see where Rashad White PERSON's being taken. But I, that it's not, uh, I'm nervous about the pick that I'm not, like like super bullish on Bucky Irving PERSON. Like I like them. I enjoy the three-down skill set. That's something that I always value in running backs. But it's more that I'm becoming more and more nervous about Rashad White PERSON.

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Sure, indeed.

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Well, moving into the loser category,

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the reason we were forced in winners to wax poetic about Kamani Vidal and Dylan Label and Dylan Labbe and Tyron Tracy PERSON was unfortunately a lot of the bigger names landed in some tough spots. Blake Corum going to the Rams where we've got Kyron Williams, an 80% touch guy. And I imagine that we'll flip now and change because Corum PERSON's there, but I still kind of view this as a pure handcuff. A sexy handcuff, a very valuable handcuff, no doubt about it.If Blake Corum becomes a starter at any point, it'd be tough to project him as anything less than a top 10 running back on whatever weeks he is the guy. But they love Kyron Williams so much. You talk about the post-game presser, or the post-draft presser, rather, from Sean McVeigh. And he said, why did you draft him?Because he reminded me so much of Kyrid Williams PERSON. So I don't think this is anywhere where Kyra and Williams PERSON is going to hand over the keys or make a split backfield. I think it's more so a situation that they just wanted a clearer, safer backup to him.

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But we'll see.

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We'll definitely monitor that throughout camp. And maybe they do talk about making us a 1A, 1B. If that is the case, Corum PERSON would definitely rise up these redraft ranks. And these guys that I'm going to go through, like Corum and Marshaun Lloyd PERSON, for example, I really do like these talents, whether it's handcuffed, whether it's handcuffed with benefits. So I ultimately, despite calling them losers of draft grades, there is still a path. There's still a reason to draft these guys. They're just not as clear of a path or quite as highof an upside immediate role when we're talking about these quote unquote losers of the draft. Marshaun Lloyd, another one of those guys going with the Packers ORG, but we know that LaFleur loves his ultimate committees. He's always been that type of guy. And he said about the Marshaun Lloyd PERSON, that he gives us a different element out of the backfield, just a little bit of a different flavor.And I think that's absolutely true. Another guy, 439 speed can really get it done as a receiver was put out wide on 10% of the routes there. So I think there is absolutely a path to him carving out a little bit of a role. And then you got the Jacobs PERSON handcuff situation. So those were two of the names, Blake Corman, Marshawn Lloyd PERSON, that I had his top fivepre-draft running backs that I don't know exactly where they'll shake out now for redraft purposes. But they're both intriguing enough talents in good offenses. Just the path to volume seems pretty, pretty cloudy for both those guys. Do you have any hard feelings on either of them before we highlight the last few names here?

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With Quorum, it's similar to the Tampa Bay GPE situation. I'm just more interested to see how he's going to impact Kyron PERSON and not even just like from the production. I'm more interested to see how he impacts Kairn ORG's price. That is one guy I will be definitely keeping my eye on to see where he goes in our initial draft that's coming up.

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The long anticipated draft here. The two hour quick free game.

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Yeah, quick, quick little two hour talk on the job. So I guess with that, we'll start getting a little quicker here in our analysis.

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But, yeah, Coram PERSON, I mean, the only, I think he can, like, have a role,

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but the only, like, significant, like, portion of Kyron's, like, obviously, like, Bell Cow ORG usage

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that he had last year that I'm a little bit nervous about is the goal line just because Corum was just so, so elite at Michigan ORG,

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punching it in from three yards and in. Like, I don't know the exact stat, but I'm almost 100% certain. He led the, led college football in touchdowns from inside the three yard line. I mean, almost all of his touchdowns throughout his career came from that spot. So you know what you're getting with Quorum PERSON, especially at the goal line.So that's like the only part of Kyran PERSON's like super valuable role that I'm nervous about him siphoning off. Like he's not going to catch passes. He's not going to get like a ton of work as a rusher. Like maybe a handful of touches a game like max out around 10. But he he's not going to be likecoming in and stealing a bunch of carries from Kyron on a week-to-week basis. That's the only part that I'm nervous. But Marshawn Lloyd PERSON, I don't mind the landing spot. Like, as my, I think you're a little bit more down on it than I am. I don't think it's great just because, like, you've got Josh Jacobs PERSON there who's proved that he is capable of being a bell cowback.But the strengths of Marshawn Lloyd complement pretty well with the strength of Josh Jacobs PERSON. So they can use them differently enough. And I think they can both independently carve out their own little roles. We talked about it a little bit in the pre-draft show. If Marshaun Lloyd PERSON can hold on to the ball, I did go back and look at it. He had a fumble for every 36 touches. So that is like something that I think if it is a problem early on couldsignificantly hamper his ability to like stay on the field regularly. And I know that there's certain coaches that like value the fumbling more than others like they'll put them on time out or like put them in the doghouse and whatnot. And so that's like kind of coach by coach but if that was like every 36 touches was significant enough to me that it could i think it could be like a legitimate problem and that's kind of like picking at straws in terms of like him as a prospect so we'll see once he actually gets out there on the field but in terms of some of these other guys, yeah, these are all just kind ofbrutal landing spots, like Shipley PERSON to the Eagles ORG. I thought he was like a well rounded prospect. Always, like, never expected them to have the draft capital. But yeah, behind Barclay and that mess of likeGainwell, Boston Scott PERSON, all those guys, like he's not really gonna, I don't think he differentiates himself from those guys. Like maybe as the Sequin handcuff, like he has some sort of i don't think he differentiates himself from those guys like maybe as the sequin PERSON handcuff like he has some sort of value but i'm still not super sure and then yeah brailyn allen they've got breese hall PERSON and may yeah in i i don't know i i text you i saw a guy with like40% exposure to izzie ab PERSON and a canada so I guess that's going to make like an interesting Brice handcuff like race during this offseason and during training

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camp who's going to be the better handcuff to have for Breece Hall PERSON. But obviously with Bruce PERSON there, he provides pretty little value. He's one of those guys who is a workhorse in Breece Hall PERSON. And then, yeah, Estimate to the Broncos ORG is the last guy we have here. And I know that we were texting all weekend, hoping he yeah, Estimate to the Broncos ORG is the last guy we have here. And I know that we were texting all weekend, hoping he was going to fall to the, fall to the, uh, Cowboys ORG ended up justnever addressing running back in the draft. So that will be a fun little thing to talk about Zique and whoever else throughout this offseason. But yeah, pretty ugly landing spot for

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Estimate. You've got, you've got P. Rhine PERSON is still in the mix. You've got Javonte Williams PERSON. And who is that other guy that? I'm blanking on the name right now.

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He came on. He was McLaughlin PERSON?

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Yeah, McLaughlin PERSON. And like, so it's just like a total mix of just like a lot of just average to below average like guys it's just like a total disaster like i think estimate can separate himself and maybe like earn some touches but yeah it's just all around these guys we're i mean we're talking about the bad landing spots for reason it's not shouldn't be shocking that i'm saying that this is all pretty tough but any any specific thoughts on some of these

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other guys no i think you nailed it with pretty much all of that. With Estime, again, it's a guy that's about 40% of him an early best ball hoping for that cowboy spot. It was disappointing, but Peyton PERSON did come out and say, Love him as an early down thumper and especially around the goal line. So of all of those backs, I know Javante Williams PERSON is, quote, unquote, the guy,but to me, he's going to lose receiving work to P. Ryan and McLaughlin, maybe touchdowns now to Estime PERSON. I could see Giovante Williams being an absolute zero at this point, just a between the 20s grinder that, who knows if he'll ever regain that form. I loved him his rookie year. They loved his running style, but that running style also led to a bunch of injuries. He just didn't look like himself quite ever last year. So maybe Estimee PERSON ends up taking over all the early downwork and the goal line.Maybe there's a path. Maybe I'm just talking myself into lunacy because I drafted so much of him early on. I will not be going after really any of those three, though, in the drafts we end up doing. And we're just a few minutes away from drafting there. Folks that runs up a running back position. We have just like three to four tight ends.It's really not a lot to dive into. It's not a class like last year. But as we get ready to draft, one last plea for those thumbs up, it really does help us out the like button, the retweets, the shares. Anything that you're willing to do, if you like what you're hearing, please do consider that for us.It would be so appreciated. Moving on to wrap the show up here with the tight end position. There's not a lot to dive into. Obviously, the Brock Bowers, where did he land? What are our thoughts about it is probably the most important news? But you already know he's not going to be labeled as a winner,given we only have one winner right now. And that's Ben Sinat landing as the second tight end off the board in round two, pick 53 to the Washington ORG football team. A lot of opportunity. Yes, they signed Zach Ertz PERSON, but I'm not sure Zach Ertz is anything but a zombie at this point, just a complete corpse out there.And we've seen Cliff Kingsbury use that tight end and use Zach Ertz PERSON over in Arizona at quite a high volume role there. And Ben Sinat, a 9.76 Raz score was one of the top 10 tight ends of all time, according to the relative athletic scale there. In fact, Sam Leporta at 9.01 compared to that 9.76 for Ben Sinat. I'm not saying that means Ben Sinat's about to be Sam Leporta PERSON, but he did say that's who he likes to model his game after, well, at the Senior Bowl EVENT, while shining at the senior bowl as one of the highlight players down there.So I think this is a great spot in terms of draft capital, in terms of that air raid style offense, that after Terry McLaurin, I do like Jahan Dotson PERSON, but there is certainly some volume up for grabs. And I don't think Zach Ertz PERSON is all that concerning to overtake at this stage of their career. So I love this spot for Ben Sinat PERSON.He is up to a top, fringe, top 20 tight end for me in here. He's really the only clear, clear winner. I've got a couple others worth mentioning here. But what are your thoughts on Ben Sinat landing with Washington ORG, if you have any?

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All my Zachary PERSON's bags are in shambles. Yeah.

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But I did actually have him here and there. Just as like a late around stab when I had fully punted on tight ends.

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But that was actually a tweet from Pat Corain over the weekend poking fun about Zacherts PERSON. But yeah, I mean, I like him just because of the athleticism, the athletic profile, like what's not to like about one of the most athletic tight ends that has ever been tested. So you have to like have some sort of like optimism from that regard, just like as a prospect and from his prospect profile.I'm not sure if I'm the biggest fan just like for his, in terms of his year one production, just because like we, I mean, it's the, it's kind of been changing over the last couple years. I mean, we saw LaPorteur absolutely smash as a rookie, but historically it's been tough for rookie tight ends to succeed. And I don't, I don't think that this is an offense that is going to prop up a rookie tight end. I think if anyone is going to be like the more fantasy relevant guys in Washington ORG,I think it will be Terry McCloran PERSON.

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And I would bet on Jahan Dotson before I bet on Ben Sinat PERSON. So I think he's like a winner in terms of like coming out with a positive landing spot. Like it's setting him up for his success down the line. But I am not like super interested in him for the 2024 season. I think that there will be better options within the

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Washington offense. But I think that, yeah, yeah. And yeah, moving on to Brock Bowers PERSON,

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just absolutely brutal landing spot. Everyone, not everyone, but a whole lot of people really expected him to go to

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the Jets at 10. Obviously, that doesn't happen. He ends up in Las Vegas, which is one of the more mind-boggling

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and bad landing spots, both at the same time, mind-boggling in the sense that they spent,

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was it a second-round pick or a first-round pick on Michael Merr last year?

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Second, yeah, second-round pick on him, yep. Yeah, so another, like, obviously it's different than a first round pick on Michael Mayer last year? Second, yeah, second round pick on him.

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Yep.

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Yeah, so another, like, obviously it's different than a first round pick,

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but significant draft capital spent on tight end in two consecutive drafts,

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which is not something that people are accustomed to or with regard as a good way to build a quality football team, especially for the Raiders ORG who have struggled over the last couple years. But yeah, it's going to be pretty brutal battling for targets with Devante Adams PERSON.

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And Jacobi Myers PERSON is not nothing. I'm a Jacobi Myers fan. I mean, he relied a little bit in terms of his fantasy production. He relied pretty heavily on touchdowns last year. But I mean, he's still going to provide legitimate target competition to Brock Bowers PERSON. And I still want to bet on him just purely because of the talent. Like you've got there in parentheses, he's still a beast. He's still one of the best tight end prospects of all time.And it's probably the best or the second best of my lifetime that I can remember since, like, being heavily involved with the worldly NFL ORG. So you still have to be excited on it in that sense. But given that he landed in Las Vegas, his value, at least his immediate value in his rookie season is taking a pretty significant hit. Where are you moving him to in your tight end ranks?

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Yeah, I actually have him right now. It fell from my tight end eight to my tight end 11. So still a fringe top 12 guy. That just tells you how much I believe in the player, the talent. And Gardner Minshu, for all his faults, can get the ball. He likes to dink and dunk it.And I think that will yield some nice value here for Brock Bowers PERSON in terms of just passing volume. I think it'll be the clear number two to Devonti Adams. And I do like Jacoby Myers as well. But that's how highly I think of Brock Bowers PERSON. Just more so, if he landed in the right spot, let's call it the top five picks with the chargers or with the Jets as the clear number two for Aaron Rogers. I would have had him right there in my top five, six tight ends, even as a rookie. That's how good the player is. So yeah, it was a tough landing spot.I think more so it just absolutely nukes Michael Mayer. And that's too bad because I think he could hit some really nice things last year was starting to come into his own. And I was really excited to see what he did in year two. But ultimately, Brock Bowers PERSON is going to be that main man there. And maybe they do get some two tight-end sets, the Gronk Aaron Hernandez PERSON system that we've never seen recreated. Maybe those will be the two guys to pull it off.I doubt it, though. Yeah, it was just not ideal, given that there were some pretty wide-open shares he could have landed in, and now he's going to be competing with a high-end capital, one of the best tight-end prospects of last year, Michael Mayer, not where we wanted to see him go by any means, but still a top 12 tight end because of how just damn talented.He is the only other tight ends I thought worth mentioning here, were Gatavian Sanders PERSON, who was widely considered the number two prospect by most pre-draft pundits, ultimately fell to the, he was the fourth tight end off the board, didn't go till round four pick 101,but he also does land with the Panthers who had a wide open tight end target totem pole. Ian Thomas PERSON, the only other guy there. So I think Sanders PERSON can walk right in, be their lead tight end. But now you also do have a bunch of mouthsthat have opened up there in Legate PERSON, Deontay Johnson PERSON, and then it's a matter of can Bryce Young sustain even one viable fantasy weapon. You got Adam Thielen PERSON still lingering around there as well. Never mind, potentially the fourth option on the target totem pole. But it's an intriguing big body that is one of the best pass catching prospects,at least at the tight end position for this class. But he also underwhelmed significantly at the combine. And there's a lot of data to show that at least as a rookie to break out, you almost always have to be a freak athlete. And Sanders PERSON just was not that in terms of his testing. So I don't love it, but there is a path to him having some value.I do, and quite intrigued by Theo Johnson going to the Giants right after Jetavian Sanders PERSON. He landed there at pick 107 in round four. And the rumblings are Darren Waller PERSON will be retiring. We can't say that with certainty quite yet. But if he does, man, Theo Johnson could be walking right into the lead tight end roll. Speaking of freak athletes, he was the ultimate freak athlete.The tight end three on Dane Bruegler's PERSON big board as well, an even better RAS score. Then we saw from Ben Sinat PERSON that I was already raving about. Theo Johnson was like a 9.89 Razz score. So ultimately, I think he's got some freakish abilities. And if Darren Waller's gone, we already know, yeah, Neighbors is going to hog a ton of volume. But there's just not a whole lot else on that team.I'd be stunned if he did a ton in year one. But I just don't know that there's anybody else, even to shout out here at the tight end position. So if Waller's gone, maybe Theo Johnson. I love Bruegler PERSON, and if he thinks this highly of him to think of him as a round two to three guy,and they got him in round four. It's something I've at least worth noting, in my opinion.

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Yeah, I mean, neither of these guys are really moving the needle for me. I liked Jatavian Sanders PERSON early in these pre-draft draft drafts, but he lands in a less than ideal landing spot in Carolina ORG. It's crowded. It's not like super talented in terms of the past catchers in Carolina ORG, but it's crowded. So it's kind of tough for us to project any sort of reliable role for Sanders PERSON in year one.But Theo Johnson, yeah, it'll come down if Waller retires. If Waller retires, I can see myself grabbing Theo Johnson a ton late in draft where I just punt tight end, but he will not be someone on the radar until if and when Waller retires. But I think that's kind of the, yeah, like you said, the last two tight ends of note.

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Otherwise, in a world full of fancy sheep, guys, be that wolf. Best of luck out there in the best ball streets. And until next time, we'll see you then.

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