Wizard and Glass Book Club #12 (Pt2, Ch6 Sc8-11, CH7 Sc1-3)

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The Dark Tower by Stephen King. The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed. Go then. There are other worlds than these. Death, but not for you, gunslinger. It's time we had our own palaver, I think, and it's going to take a while.

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And yet, dauntless, the slug horn to my lips I set and blue child rolling to the dark tower came we are cotets one from many

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let the palaver begin hello and welcome to Dark Tower Palabra WORK_OF_ART.

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This is our podcast covering Stephen King PERSON's Magnum Opus the Dark Tower series, as well as the extended King universe, which, because all things serve the tower.

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And the beam, indeed.

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And my name is Tad PERSON.

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I'm Peter PERSON.

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And we're here for episode 12 of the book club series going through Wizard and Glass WORK_OF_ART.

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God knows what the actual count would be if we had a numerical count of all the book clubs.

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That'd be interesting to find out.

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I think we'd easily be at least approaching 100, if not over 100.

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Yeah.

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Because I know we had a few of the longer books were in the 20, in the mid-20s.

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So I think it would be a safe assumption that we were probably hovering around 100.

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By the way, number 12 for Wizard and Glass WORK_OF_ART, I think there was some shenanigans on the last episode where I, last book club, where I had the wrong number on the slides. So I do apologize for that. But this one should be matching across the board as number 12. Let's go ahead and dive in real quick to the introduction stuff real quick announcement stuff. First, spoiler warning. There is no spoiler warning until the very, very end of the episode.You will hear a very clear thing before we move into that as well as the screen. I'll change if you hear on YouTube side. These are the safe episodes to listen to if you've not finished the seven primary books, the Dark Tower WORK_OF_ART series. We stay where we're at or before we don't jump ahead except for a spoiler section. And I guess we could probably say that I don't think there is a spoiler section for this episode.Neither of us had any notes for spoiler stuff.

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Not this time. It seems like a lot of this, especially as we dove into this flashback for Wizard and Glass WORK_OF_ART, it seems like a lot of it's very self-contained. I mean, i can't say that that is going to prove through all the way i'm sure at some point we're going to have some more spoilery stuff but a lot of times the spoiler section we would like to kind of see howwhat we're talking about connects to you know later things or whatever um but that hasn't been as necessary since we've gotten into this uh backstory of young roland here next up if you want to find

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I haven't had a chance to do it yet myself, but seems like everyone was getting 100%. Every single time I feel like I look at it, I don't have like the minutes at that moment. And then I forget when I do have time. So I do need to circle back and do that

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myself. Although, of course, I would bring shame to myself if I were to get less than 100%

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since everyone else in there is definitely getting 100% on that.

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There's no shame in that. I don't know.

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Depends. What is the name with a boy in Coojo PERSON? I don't know.

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It's not slander, sir.

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Oh, I don't know about that. But yeah, that is the social media stuff And then I will mention the schedule I already kind of alluded to it So like I said last week We should have been this episodeSo it got delayed a week But just to add even more confusion Next week I will be Actually it does actually seem like I won't actually be in the theaters I will just be sleeping

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Because it looks like the marathon for Star Wars Starts late the night of the third. And then so most, and I'm also, I'm only watching the original six because I'm not 20 whatever anymore. Like the last time I did a crazy-ass marathon. Yeah.

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And I just don't know if I can handle that long in the theaters.

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Plus, I've also seen the sequel trilogy in theaters not all that long ago. Whereas the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy I haven't seen since 1997, 1999, 2002, and 2005. That's all been a long time. So I'm really looking forward to seeing those again. But I'm doing that.They're doing it for the May the 4th, which means I will be punchy-ass tired and probably sleeping about the time we'd normally be doing the show. So that one is actually being delayed until the 11th. So even though usually after moving an episode, we end up having two the butt up against each other. That will be happening, but just not next week on the fourth. So it'll actually feel normal where we have two weeks after this episode until the next episode.But then it'll be the 11th and the 18th will be our two that butt together that get us back on schedule. So that is the uh the schedule as it's coming up also i wanted to uh point out um you know a funny thing that happened uh there was somebody uh posted on one of the uh dark tower i think it was dark tower or stephen king's subredits about um shimi showing up in uh uh gunslinger WORK_OF_ART and i went in and i'm like no i'm like uh he gets remembered twice in gunslinger. Oh, yeah? And I went in and I'm like, no.

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I'm like, uh, he gets remembered twice in gunslinger WORK_OF_ART, but he doesn't show up.

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I'm like, you're, you're thinking of Shab PERSON, um, uh, which obviously is here,

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wizard and glass.

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Uh, and then, um, the person was like, whatever, but then somebody else came in, uh, and was trying to be like, uh, whatever and saying that, uh, Shep, uh, was Shimi PERSON's dad. And could be be No, Stanley

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Oh the bartender, right, that's one of this. And it was just, it just made me laugh because literally we were just on the heels of doing

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this episode where we covered

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because all the proof is in the episode

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or the chunk we just covered because Stanley PERSON steps up and in his internal monologue it says

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I got to step up and try he might be my son he may

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very well be my son and then also down the road stanley ruiz we end up seeing uh shimi in fact if you look him up on uh any of the stuff and it says shemi ruiz PERSON so i think that all indications are it's his father uh and then also um uh sheb's last name is McCurdy PERSON which is also

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in the section that we covered last episode so it was just really funny because it was all so fresh in my mind. Uh, and I'm like, I don't want to like come off like I'm like this know it all. It's literally that it's just so damn fresh in my head because we literally just covered.

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We just covered this. So, um, I just made me laugh because there was a one person that kind of had that whole like, I'm not wrong. No matter what mentality was the second guy, not the original guy. The original guy's like, oh, okay, cool, yeah.

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And then I told him, like, where to go to read the proof of what I was saying. 25 for Wizard and Glass, not Wizarding Glass, wastelands, 22 for drawing of the three, and only five for Gunslinger PRODUCT. Oh, yeah. So, short book. Short book. So that comes to a total of 52. Really? five for gunslinger WORK_OF_ART. Oh, yeah. So short book. Short book. So that comes to a total of 52.Really? Wow. 52 book clubs.

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Man. And then we're on number 12 here.

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So which our document says 11.

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Yeah, something's wrong on which, which.

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Where we have our notes says book club number 11. God god i think we're on now are we on 12 or are we on

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11 no i think i pull up the the actual podcast uh website because the other thing that annoys me is

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i just found out also uh dark tower plebvre ORG dot com something they updated something on the website

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side and it broke the link to our podcast hosting site so probably the the last couple months worth of episodes, the episode post where it shows like

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the audio has not been coming to our website.

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I've got it reconnected.

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So this one will show up there. But I don't know in terms of trying to figure out how to get the old ones to repost that didn't post. I don't know. So I haven't even been able to go to dark tarrypliver.com and get like truth in terms of the episodes.But I went to the place we post our episodes and the last one was 11. So this will be 64th book club for us. Good old Nintendo 64.

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I love that number. All right. So we are currently in part two of this book. This one is cut up into four parts. Each of the parts have obviously chapters in them. The first one and the last one are really short.The middle two have 10 chapters. We are currently in chapter six of part two. Part two is subtitled Susan PERSON. Chapter six is subtitled Shemi PERSON. And we are actually going to be jumping over into chapter seven during the course of this episode. We are starting out in subchapter eight.We pretty much left off right after the showdown at the Travelers Rest FAC.

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The fan voted Dark Tower Palaver March Insanity winner for Best Dark Tower WORK_OF_ART Moment.

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We just finished that last time. So here we are. Time to deal with the repercussions. What happened? What happens after now? We know when Shemi ran out that Avery PERSON was coming.

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Sheriff Avery PERSON. Yes. Let's not, you know, besmirch the good sheriff.

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Uh, might want to. He seems like kind of a shady fella. We've seen a couple conversations with him that make us think that he's not on the

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up and up. He is definitely up to no good. That's for sure.

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Yeah, indeed.

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As well as a lot of the people in this town.

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Uh-huh.

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I just feel like if this were a cartoon, you'd see a lot of shifty eyes.

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A lot of twirling and mustaches.

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Yes. Indeed.

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So let's dive on into subchapter 8.

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And starting off here, I have a line directly from the book here. And it is, quote, this is a nice mess, isn't it? Avery PERSON speaking. No one answering. He hadn't expected they would, not if they knew it was good for them. So that's a fun little, yeah, fun little set up there. Kind of the castigating parent is what he's seeming like right off the matter here.

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And then getting into just kind of like recapping here, the jail would have been, would not have been big enough for the six participants in the night's events as well as the rotund to sheriff. So he heard of them to the town gathering hall. The hall, the empty hall echoed with the fluttering of pigeons and the rafters and the ticking of the grandfather clock behind the podium. Have you had a lot of experience of grandfather clocks? Just to pause, I don't have a note for this, but any like family have a lot of, so my one,

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my one grandma has like a lot of like grandfather She has a couple grandfather clocks And a lot of wall clocks that tick Yeah And I just I remember going over there And like you know We got used to it at a certain pointBut I remember every time somebody strange would come over You'd be like what the hell man There's like clicking everywhere in this place So this is I know what this is like

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I had a clock up in my apartment for a little bit And someone came and spent the night And we're like we know get up in the morning We're like like, oh, did you do everything go okay? They're like, yeah, but your damn clock was so loud. Took it down. We've never put up another one.

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Really? Digital only. Oh, and see, my grandma's, is it just like, because some of like the normal wall

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clocks have like a slight tick to them and at night you'd hear it. My, that's what we had. It's just like a normal wall clock. I think it was like a nightmare before Christmas one or something, because my wife loves that movie. Yeah. And so it just like, it was like the second hand. And see, my grandmas, it was like a nightmare before Christmas one or something because my wife loves that movie. Yeah.

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And so it was like, it was like the second hand. And see my grandmas, it was like the ones that have like the pendulum. The big.

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They'll ding on the half hour once and then they'll ding for the hour. What you see in Frannie PERSON's mom's sitting room.

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That's the kind of stuff my grandma had.

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She had a big grandfather clock, which are the ones that stand up on the ground. She had two of those, one upstairs, one downstairs. But then she probably had wall clocks at least one or two on every other floor as well.

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Any cuckoo?

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No, my other grandma had a cuckoo clock, though, as a kid.

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Did you enjoy it or?

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I mean, when I was really young, yeah.

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You're like, hey, cuckoo.

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Yeah, indeed.

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So, yeah, I definitely know what they're talking about, the clicking of a clock in a room. So the room is plain, but it was an inspired choice because for generations, this is where town folks and landowners had come to make decisions and pass laws and occasionally to send troublemakers west. The room had a serious feel in its moon glimmered darkness, and Roland thought that even Jonas PERSON felt it a bit. If nothing else, it invested Avery PERSON with the authority that he would not have otherwise been able to convey. The room was filled with what they called bareback benches, oak pews with no padding or cushion for back or butt. I just don't like the sound of that.

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It's church. But it's still, for God's sake.

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It's church. Get some padding for God's sake. That's a lot of church pews. Well, this is a town hall. I mean, liven it sake. It's church. Get some padding for God's sake. That's a lot of church pews.

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Well, this is a town hall.

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I mean, liven it up.

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Get some padding for God's sake.

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No, the idea is that you make it uncomfortable so you get out of there faster. Don't make it comfortable because then you get long-winded people.

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Yeah, that's true. I have to imagine some long-winded people. It wouldn't matter, though.

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So they were, they were, there were 60 in total, 30 on each side of the wide center aisle.

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The coffin hunters are sitting on the left side of the aisle and our boys are sitting on the

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right side.

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Reynolds and the Pape looked sullen and embarrassed while Jonas PERSON looked remote and composed.

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The boys were quiet, rolling at giving Cuthbert a look, which he hoped Bert PERSON would read

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as one smart remark and I'll rip the tongue out of your head.

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And he thought that the message was received.

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Bert PERSON had stowed his idiotic lookout out of sight and that was probably a good sign.

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Yeah, good old Bert PERSON, look out.

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I feel like generally speaking like that, that death look, it's apparent thing, right?

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Oh, yeah.

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But, you know, like I have to imagine, like, you know, these are, what, 14-year-old boys? I have to imagine that Roland has refined this look over the years, which is crazy these are, what, 14-year-old boys? I have to imagine that Roland has refined this look over the years, which is crazy to think about for a 14-year-old.

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Well, especially when you think about what he's grown up with. I mean, you got court, you know, impression on him.

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And I can tell you right now, court probably has the worst stink eye of any parent ever,

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just like, like that whips sound crack when he looks at you.

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And the boys go, boys go and fall over dead

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you know kind of thing yeah yeah

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it just makes me laugh

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because it just seems like this should be something for like a parent or an older person not for a 14 year old kid to his contemporary like that just that just tells you everything you need to know about their relationship it goes to show like whereRoland PERSON is at as a leader already that too yeah I mean this is his first mission and everything. We don't even know like really truly like what the mission is and everything yet, right?

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I know I missed a few book clubs there. Yeah, well, his dad told him ultimately we're getting you out of, right. We're taking you off the board essentially to be safe.

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So ultimately it's a Heidi PERSON mission. Yeah, hide away.

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But Roland PERSON is in charge.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Because I mean, he's ultimately.

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He is an apprentice. Yeah, he's an apprentice gunslinger which is very very unusual uh what did court say to him you're a couple years too young even you know your father is the youngest and you're a few years younger he's younger than you're younger he's young and he'm like and he asked him to like don't do it basically yeah he gave him like one last chance he said this is your last chance to withdraw and he's like by the way this you were younger than your dad by a couple years i'm giving you one last chance. He said, this is your last chance to withdraw. And he's like, by the way, you were younger than your dad by a couple of years. I'm giving you one last chance. It's like, how many last chance are we going to give him?And it's like, oh, he's that young. Okay.

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And what I loved about, I know that's, this is backtracking.

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What I loved about that is it felt like there was like a formal thing there. Yeah. You know, like, you know, question and response. Like, it felt like that was like a thing that had been built for generations. And has to be done that way every time.

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And court was breaking it. Yep. Because he knew that like this isn't the right move.

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Like you're, I don't know. So it shows.

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But he still went through with it in the end because that's the right. That's what's required of him. Bondsman PERSON.

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Yeah. Indeed. So the sharp cut from the traveler's rest to this just feels perfect to me. I know the places had quieted down due to the showdown, but before that it was a very loud and rowdy place. On this place seems as quiet as a crypt.Like the rest, even in the tense or silence, it feels like it may have been a full and warm place. This feels like a very cold, empty place,

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and it fits the mood of this moment quite well, I think.

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But that's kind of, I just, I don't know.

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King's not really saying a ton.

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I feel like it's kind of between the lines.

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But I just feel like there's a difference.

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Like, you know, even the traveler's rest, like you probably imagine there was fires for the light and stuff. But it also had war. There was a piano playing and then it got cut off and everything.

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Yeah. Everyone's drinking and eating. This just feels like almost like.

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You got whores going on in the background over here. I'm a horn going on. So, you know, it's, yeah, it's a, it's a bar.

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And this feels like like courtrooms, you know, you have a courtroom and there's a cold, like impersonal feeling to every courtroom. And that's kind of what this is feeling like to me. So it's just a kind of a cool juxtaposition because, yes, we technically saw Shimi PERSON walk out to run into Avery PERSON. But outside of that, we've just spent the last how many subchapters in that room.Yeah. You know, that was, and then suddenly it was just like sharp cut. Like we don't see them walking. We don't see. And it's just suddenly here we are.

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There's not even like the decision to go to the town hall because it's more open than the jail and everything.

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It's just, we're immediately there. And I just feel like it's, it's perfect. I could see it on screen almost type thing.

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It's kind of, it'd be the transition between an episode, right? Like, she me running out, running into the sheriff credits.

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Yeah. Start of the next episode, we're in the town hall, right? Yeah, probably. Yeah. That sounds about right. Oh, we got two comments in the live chat here onyoutube i'm going to kind of paraphrase a little bit because we do have a spoiler warning in effect uh it seems like uh he roland often expects cuthbert to embarrass him or publicly make a uh full of himself so yeah like it's just like expected from roland yeah it's like built in with with and it's the perfect like uh shows the juxtaposition of the two types of people they are to right.

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Roland PERSON's a certain kind of person that we're pretty familiar with by now. And Cuthbert, I think we've we saw a bit of him in the first book. We've seen a little bit of him in this one. And I think we just understand kind of who he is as a character. We did get one really good example of Bert PERSON embarrassing himself is that he made the, he made the face or he made a hand gesture behind courts back.

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And he's like, he's like, how'd you see me? He's like, I saw it in this maggot side. He saw the reflection in Roland PERSON's eye like.

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And hit him, yeah.

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Yeah, then turned around and hit Bert PERSON with it.

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And then Baraki says, we don't always see Bert PERSON doing it too much.

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Embarrassing Roland PERSON, he means.

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But we're not privy to all the other times. That's true. We don't see a ton of Cuthbert PERSON. It's in this book and book one, right?

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Yeah. So I think these moments are great because I think they're really showing.

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Like, it ultimately is showing you what does that relationship look like? Yeah.

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You know, they're both around 14. Chances are they probably known each other their entire lives.

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They have known each other their entire lives. They have known each other their entire lives. They say that in book one.

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So it's ultimately like, okay, what does the 14 years look like? Well, some of these little hints here are kind of showing us what that probably looked like.

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I love the idea of the big coffin hunters sitting here in the pews. Like we just talked about the pews being hard and uncomfortable and everything like that. I love the idea of big coffin hunters who were just talking that they were going to murder sheamy PERSON for spilling alcohol on his boots, you know, like, I need entertainment, I'm going to kill this

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guy.

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Yeah.

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They're sitting in these pews like schoolboys getting yelled at by the headmaster or principal, you know, like, I've been picturing them in like the shorts and the high socks and it's

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like, yes, sir. Looking like a guitarist from ACDC.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So my next note, the fluttering pigeons and the rafters reminds me the stand with the first gathering in Boulder GPE.

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Yeah, where they scare them off when they cheer.

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Multiple times and then they finally skedaddle out of there.

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It just, I don't know. I don't think that's something that we see in our society very often. I have been to some larger stores like Walmarts ORG and stuff like, you'll see a bird here and there. Yeah. That gets in, usually through, like, the garden air. I've also seen in Costco ORG. Home Depot and Lowe's ORG.

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Yeah. They have, like, the big garden centers that are open.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So you'll, you'll, every once in a while you'll see a bird fluttering through the inside.

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Yeah. But it's nothing like this. This definitely feels like a different time. And it's also interesting that they let them, like, they let them roost in there.

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Yeah. You know, like, now, you know, in our culture, in our society, it's like, no, no, no, birds are dirty, da-da, you know, and everything. But here it's just like, yeah, fine, whatever.

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Yeah.

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Well, it does weird me out when I see them in Walmart ORG, because it's like there's food there. Yeah. Like, are they pecking at the fruit and stuff?

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Yeah.

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It's just, I don't know. Home Depot ORG, fine. Like, what are they really going to hurt?

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But, I mean, you might have... Now something that you're going to be eating.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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Oh, no.

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They picked it a plant that I'm going to plant in my garden.

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Yeah.

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Next up, recapping what they do in this room and ending in on sending Troublemakers West is a good way to make us a little bit more nervous about all this.

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Yeah.

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It's like, oh, this is serious.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly. And like you kind of, again, it's like a courtroom. It's like when you're in a courtroom, there's seriousness to it. You're not going into a courtroom like a bar or, you know, a fun place. Like, no, when you're in a courtroom, it's for not good reasons.

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You can end up in prison if you act like that in a courtroom, kind of thing.

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Also, I like the calling out kind of like what you're talking about, like setting the mood.

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The very first line is he hadn't expected that they would, not if they knew what was good for them, absolutely establishing Avery PERSON's authority over the situation.

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Yeah, yeah, indeed. And then next up, also Clay and Roy being sullen and embarrassed while Jonas PERSON being distant, Buck and Pose PERSON makes you think they know what they're in for from him when he gets him alone.

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Yeah, and I added a note onto yours here. It's like kids getting yelled at by a teacher or a principal in front of their parents. Yeah. Which we both have had happened to us. You know that the real butt will...Who me? Shut up. Shut up. I don't know about that. I've heard stories about you lying to police officers as a junior high kid, so don't even...

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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Trouble maker.

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But they know that the real but woman's

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Coming later when mom and dad get them alone Right?

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Yeah. Like that's what I'm picturing here is the

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Please don't please don't stop yalling at us Because then you're going to leave me alone with Daddy Jonas And Jonas PERSON is going to spake me

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Yeah, the one that was always And I know it sounds different in this era But for me it was like restaurants

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We were taught to always behave in restaurants. And if not, you were either getting brought to the bathroom or being brought out to the car. Yeah, come on. We're going outside. And it's like, uh-oh. Good things don't happen out there.Nope. For ill-behaved little children. All right. You know, you got that. You're not there. And in my last note, I love how Roland PERSON feels.He has to communicate to Kuthbert PERSON to keep his mouth shut.

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Again, it just speaks to their relationship. And, like, the thing is, is, like, there's a familiarity there. Like, right? Like, you meet someone for the first time. Like, you're not, they're not going to be able to discern what looks mean. But, like, you and I, like, we can trade looks and kind of communicate.

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Anyone who's had any kind of a relationship for a certain amount of time, me and my wife, even me and my daughter have past looks. Like, judgy looks like, we're out in public and someone does something and I look at her and she looks back at me,it's just like the, the fuck, really? Did she just say that? You know, kind of thing.

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Everyone has that. And these guys have known each other since birth.

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Yeah. You know, like they talk about it in book one. They've been running around since they were babies,

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you know, learning how to walk and stuff.

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But also doesn't it speak something to Cuthbert that Roland PERSON feels he has to warn him via the look?

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He doesn't trust him to do it himself.

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He doesn't trust him to know, like, hey, this is a serious fucking situation.

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Shut the hell up. Like, you would hope that maybe he would give him the benefit of the doubt to know, like, let's be quiet. Giving you a little Richie Tozier PERSON vibe there maybe?

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That's, uh, yeah, you know, that's... Beep, beep, keep, keep, cuthbert. That's probably not too far off. And also, both are very beloved characters in their respective stories.

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Because people like Loud Mouse, Tad PERSON. Wow.

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Unless they have to be around them too much. All right, next up, Avery PERSON repeats a nice mess again and sighed with a liquor-scented breath.

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Yeah, we got to remember they all just came from like that ball, that gala where everyone got drunk and was dancing and having a good time and everything.

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It was the after party where the stuff went sour.

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Yeah, he was sitting on the edge of the stage with his short legs hanging down and looking at all all six of them with disgusted wonder.

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Deputy Dave opened the door comes in, disheveled looking, holding a mug in one hand,

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and what Roland PERSON thinks is a birch bark in the other hand.

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They both discussed if it was twice boiled, and Deputy Dave says it was per instructions.

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Avery takes the mug and Dave pours the birch bark into the mug.

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Avery calls it foul and nasty and Jonas PERSON asks what it is. And Avery PERSON said hangover powder from the old witch who lives up on the coups and asks if he knows where he means. And gives Jonas a knowing look that Jonas ignores, but Roland PERSON thinks he saw it and wonders what it might mean. And kind of notes to himself another mystery.

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DePape PERSON looks up at the word coos but went back down to sucking his wounded finger, which, Ow. But isn't like coos, and his head pops up, huh, huh? And then he goes back to it. So that just, that fits what we've seen of him so far. And then beyond him, Reynolds PERSON sat grimly with the cloak drawn about him.Roland asks if the powder worked and Avery PERSON said that it did, but you always pay a price with which is medicine. This helps hangovers, but grips the bowels something fierce and gives you the farts. He went back to his former gravity, but the mood in the room had lightened a smidge, which does go to the old axiom, that farts are always funny.Yes.

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He asked what they were to do about this business. He said that they had the mayor's men on one side and the affiliations men on the other. But he pauses as he calls the affiliation side men. He then calls it two powder kegs with one fat sheriff between them. He tells them to speak up, no need to be shy. They weren't in Coral's Horton FAC, uh, just alittle bit ago. They said nothing. And then finally, uh, he finally said something that didn't surprise Roland much. And it's exactly what you'd expect from a man like Avery PERSON. He said, we were just going to forget it. Uh, he expected an uproar and intended to handle it, but none came. So got to love those. You always have, see life, too, where someone expects like a reaction.

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And then when they don't get it, it's like, oh, all right, cool. Everyone's listening.

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Yeah. So my notes here, not very good of Avery PERSON to call out the coups being known by the coffin hunters. Maybe he doesn't give the boys credit enough to see through his bullshit. But Roland PERSON did, even if he doesn't know what it means exactly.

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I wonder if it's something where, because we've seen that the coffin hunters went up to the coups.

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Yeah. And they gave her something, and we're like, well, this is a powerful something. It's the pink ball, right? Yeah. And I wonder if Avery PERSON was a part of the plan to give her that.

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Because we may not know, he may not know, but what if he does know, and this is his way of letting the coffin hunters know that, yeah, I'm, I feel like, I know what's going on.

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I feel like we may have, maybe it was one of you weren't here, but I feel like we covered it in that, where they had that meeting amongst the town top dogs and the coffin hunters.

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So I think we've been given the impression that, yeah, like, he knows and that's where it's just like he should know well enough. It's more of like, oh, okay, so he shouldn't be mentioning it. So it's more of like, yeah, like, he knows, and that's where it's just like he should know well enough not to mention it. Oh, okay, so he shouldn't be mentioning it. So it's more of like, yeah, I got it from the coups.

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Yeah, you know what that is, don't you?

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Week. Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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So again, come on, dude.

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Don't be more obvious.

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But then again, do you think they're dealing with a bunch of children here?

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So, to his credit, I guess there's at least that.

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My next note, I like that it is Jonas and asks what the powder is. It just feels like he's the last one you'd expect to who would even care at all, let alone to actually ask. So maybe it's him trying to be diplomaticand trying to like, you know, because we've seen enough of him so far and it just doesn't feel like he would, in a million fucking years, give a shit what the hell it was, let alone to ask, right?Because even if he did, we've seen a couple times with him where he's been curious about something, he's not said anything, he just kind of looked curiously. Notated away, maybe I'll look

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into that later. Yeah, so it's just very against character for him.

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So I do think maybe it's him trying to build some kind of a bridge here and mend things a little bit, even with himself in the sheriff. Also, maybe he's speaking up because DePayvon Reynolds PERSON are probably too scared to say anything after the mess they've made.

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Yeah. Or he doesn't want them to speak up. Yeah.

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You know, once you get in front of authority, maybe only Jonas PERSON speaks for the big coffin hunters.

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We know, one of those things where it's like, you know, like you two shut.

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Same thing that Roland's going through with Cuthbert PERSON.

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Yeah.

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Maybe he's got Reynolds and DePap PERSON to train to, hey, we get in front of the sheriff or we get front of the mayor or anything like that.

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You two shut the hell up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's probably about right.

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Yeah.

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So,

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seems a pricey,

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or it seems that a price to pay for witches cure seems a true axiom in any world.

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Yeah.

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Any world with witches.

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It seems like kind of the monkey paw effect is kind of always the thing with witches.

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I mean, it's not just witches. If you take this pill, you may have side effects, including

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d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-a-a-a-a-a-a-l leakage.

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It's like, wait, what?

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I mean, yeah. Right?

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It's just modern-day witches, right?

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That's what they are, right?

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Pharmaceuticals.

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I probably should have put this notes.

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That reminds me of Roland when he's in our world in book two, isn't it?

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When he's going to the pharmacy and he's just expecting like this like enchanted, like almost like a mystic. And he's like, this is it? What is this? Yeah.

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Which I love the fish out of water.

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It's when he gets the, uh, uh, it's during the third.

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The poison door.

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Yeah, the third door with Jack Mort PERSON.

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Yeah. Yeah. But what were you going to say you didn't have a note?

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No, I do have a note here. I probably should have moved this note sooner. I like the pause. King inserts when Avery PERSON says affiliations dot, dot, dot, dot, men, dot, dot, goes on.

Speaker 31896.02s - 1901.16s

Yeah. We got the mares men on one side and then the affiliations.

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And you can just see how that would be shot on screen to you.

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Because you look over and it, if they don't age them up in the Flanagan PERSON series, you know,

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they'll be 14-year-old boys like that. Yeah. That's going to be a funny picture to... You're going to be looking at kids just a little bit younger, a little bit older than the losers are.

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Yeah.

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And someone calling them men.

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Yeah. I get why he's acting that way, but it's still kind of funny to me that like,

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ooh,

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kind of a slap in the face to the affiliation guys, right?

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Kind of like Captain America Civil War WORK_OF_ART.

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He's like, what are you, a spider boy?

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Yeah.

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Because he's a high school kid.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, like how did you get Spider-Man PERSON out of that?

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You're a child, for God's sake.

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And then again, my last note, I love the debate perking up at the word coups. He just couldn't help himself, could he?

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It's, like, he has a very one-track mind.

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And that falls right in there.

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So it just, it cracks me up.

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Yeah, we saw that at the bar.

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It's like, you know, when you, like, you see those, like, videos or people are, like,

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talking and they say something that could be kind of, that's what she like and you always see like the husband get that look on their face you know

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you got the wife that kicks him under the table or like elbows them just like shut the

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that's exactly what what it is um the way i see it there uh so avery said uh he will not spend the

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next three or four months waiting to see who uh normally take the heat for a stupid fight over

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a half which uhitch like Shimi PERSON.

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He then says that he is appealing to their practical natures, as he points out that he can be

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their friends or their enemies. He then tells Jonas PERSON he does not believe that he would want to cause trouble with the young men from the affiliation, which has been like mother's milk in a father's hands since 50 generations back. Jonas shook his head and smiled thinly. Avery PERSON asked the boys if he wanted to get in the way of doing their jobs, uh, and they all shook their heads. Uh, he, he then said that, um, in this, uh, or in thatcase, he wants them all to stand up, face each other, shake hands and cry each other's pardons. And if they don't, they can all ride out of town before sunrise, of all he cares. Uh, he took the mug and drank more. And Roland PERSON, uh Roland sees that his hand is trembling slightly, which is no surprise because it's all ultimately a bluff. The coffin hunters were obviously above his authority, and after tonight he probably figured the boys were as well.Roland and Jonas stood, and Avery PERSON recoiled expecting more trouble, but none came. Jonas PERSON said he was right and offered to shake hands and start over. Roland PERSON agreed, but they both apologized and shook hands. The younger members of both groups followed likewise. Roland was nervous when Cuthbert PERSON's turn arose because the paper was not one open to humor at the moment, but Burt PERSON made no jokes and had no laugh in his voice.Avery PERSON was happy and said he'd shake hands with them and send them on their way as it was late and he needed his beauty sleep. No one laughed at his joke. Yeah.

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And that's the end of the subchapter.

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So my notes here, I love Avery PERSON trying to play the play tough here. Quote, I can be your friend or your enemy. It's just so clear this dude is a soft coward and he's all talk.

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And he knows that he doesn't have as much authority as the coffin hunters.

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Yeah, exactly. Like very clearly, King PERSON even calls it out to point it out to us. Like, we know that he's down on the totem pole.

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And it says that even after tonight he doesn't know if he has authority over the boys.

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So it's really not even necessarily like the confident hunters know higher up people in the town.

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And that's what puts him out of his authority. What puts them out of his authority is their ability.

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And now with the boys showing their ability, ultimately it comes down to he really has no. All he has sway over is the weak and whatever.

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Like he doesn't have any sway over any of these six. No, no. He's no Wyatt Earp PERSON. No. Let's say. Uh, him appealing to the confin hunters about the affiliation is funny because we asreaders have already seen that they are aligned with Farson PERSON, um, as is Avery Thorin and Reimer PERSON. Okay.

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So we do know that Avery PERSON is aligned with them.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah. Sorry. It has been a minute since I've read the Dark Tower WORK_OF_ART series. Yeah. Especially this book. And it was one of those couple, uh couple episodes that you were not with us.

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So, yeah, that was covered. There was a clandestine meeting after one of the events. I don't remember which one it was where they talked about what maybe it was after the party. It was in between the party and the Travelers Rest, I think. Okay. They meet together.They talked about it. Literally the episode right before I came back.

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Yeah. So, yeah, that has been covered. Got it.

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Got it. So it is funny that, you know, he's like, oh, you don't want to mess the affiliation, do you?

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Yeah, which is why my note here, I think it's the empty threat that he, if they don't drop it and shake hands to ride out of town by sunrise, is so fascinating. Yeah.

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Which was like, why would you make that if you were Avery PERSON? Like, imagine if Roland PERSON stood up and said, no, we can't let this go. They'd be surged our honor.

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What would Avery PERSON do at that point?

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You know, like, dude, that was, that was risky for Avery PERSON to take that on. Yeah.

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I think that probably his badge does, you know, give him some leeway. Because ultimately, he has to say that, think of nothing else for appearances yeah um because

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i don't know it's yeah i think that's ultimately when it comes down to his appearances you like he may be weak in some aspects but he can't appear weak or right or i don't mean he might even be self-deluding

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himself ultimately where he thinks that i'm still the sheriff here or whatever so maybe one of the things that he's doing here is hoping to make a name for himself a little bit more. Yeah. Hey, I settled down the trouble between the coffin hunters and the affiliation boys. I mean, men.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It'd be interesting to see what their thought processes were at this moment. Do they understand we saw with some of the way that King PERSON wrote that this is going to be a legendary thing.

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Yeah. That, you know, eventually there's going to be, you know, 50 times the amount of people in the bar allegedly. Yeah. And we're actually there and stuff. Everyone's going to claim to have kicked the gun away and like there's all this stuff. But it's like, I wonder in his perception right now, mere minutes after it happened, I wonder does he understand like that this is like a legend thing that's going to go on forever.

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Do you think he does or do you think he's just? I think he's looking out for his own skin and that's all he cares about.

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He's too drunk to think about that. Yeah. Yeah. Not to mention he's just i think he's looking out for his own skin and that's all he cares why he's too drunk to think about that yeah yeah not to mention he's not the brightest yeah overall

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he's not the sharpest cue ball in the wrap exactly uh i also love that after um after all that uh after all that when they stand up he still thinks they're going to kill each other a dude can't read people very well as it is clear to us readers i believe that everyone going to agree with, to go along with what he's saying here.

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I don't know that any of us necessarily believe that it's a truthful thing, but I think in this moment, they're all just going to shake hands. I don't know. There's enough,

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I just reading the room myself, that's the way I read it. So for him to like recoil when they stand up, I'm like, dude, this guy is fucking clueless, man. It kind of goes with that I just said. He's not the smartest. Yep.

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I love, and I also love Roland's constant tension over Bert PERSON's humor.

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You imagine this is a lifelong burden for him.

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And it really speaks to why he acts the way he does with Eddie PERSON. Yeah. He's dealt with one before. Yeah. And in those formative years. Like, you know, like that's just where a big impression is made on young Roland PERSON.It's going to stay, like you said, the impressionistic years and everything. It's going to stick with him for the rest of his life.

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Yeah. Yeah, indeed.

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So yeah, that's subchapter 8.

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So let me start off with subchapter 9.

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I'm just going to read the whole thing.

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It's kind of long, so stick with me.

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When they stepped outside, the moon was down, and the first lightning in the sky had begun to show at the far edge of the clean sea.

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Mayhap will meet again, sigh, Jonas PERSON said. Mayhap we will, Roland said, and swung lightning in the sky had begun to show at the far edge of the clean sea. Mayhap will meet again, sigh, Jonas said.

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Mayhap we will, Roland PERSON said, and swung up into the saddle. And that's the subchapter.

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So, cue the showdown music.

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Famous Stephen King, you know, 100-word subchapter.

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He's really good at that.

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The one I'll always remember is book two. There's one subchapter that all it says is something like, and it was no misfire.

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I think that's it. That's the entire subchapter.

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Oh, I love it. I love it.

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Yeah. And then my note,

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yeah, I feel like King PERSON doesn't even have to clue us in

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of the subtext between these, of the words spoken here.

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They're speaking the words, but like I just don't even think King PERSON has to point out to us that this is all bullshit.

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Mayhap we'll meet again. Mayhap we will. Oh, that's not, that's not ominous in any way to say to someone who you just threaten to kill. Yeah, it's like the cop that tells the criminal, I'll catch you later. Yeah.

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Type thing.

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It's like, yeah, I know that's a normal turn of phrase, but when it's a cop saying that to a criminal, there's a little bit more to there.

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Yeah.

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There.

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Yeah.

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David says there's, I think there's another one in the second book where he's trying to convince Eddie PERSON that he's real.

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It just says, he believes. That's it.

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That's the whole subchapter.

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That's true.

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Yeah, King PERSON's good at it, man. I love it. You know what's funny, too, is like, I can't say that I read a shitload of fiction outside of King PERSON. But when I do, you don't see subchapters very often.

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Like, you see chapters.

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Yes.

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And it's just interesting that King PERSON uses that multiple layers.

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Because not only does he have subchapters and chapters, but then he also has the parts or the books or whatever it might be.

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We've seen it throughout the series so far. And it's like that in a lot of King PERSON books. So it's just interesting to me because, I mean, I've read even before getting into King PERSON heavily when I was younger. I read, you know, novels. Like I do enjoy them. I enjoy fiction.But yeah, King PERSON's, I don't want to say it's entirely unique. There's by other people to use subchapters. But I feel like King PERSON always uses subchapters.

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I feel like if he didn't use subchapters in something, that would be so notable because it'd be like, holy shit, he doesn't use subchapters. I think one of the ones that he doesn't use subchapters in. I could be wrong. It's been a minute since I've read the physical copy of it. I think Kerry doesn't, because it just bounces between the two timelines.

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Yeah. So I think that he just kind of, I don't think he, dude, does he even have chapters in that book?

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Plus also the novellas probably don't either. Those are probably just chapters as well. I don't know. It's been a while else I've read Carrie PERSON. I've actually been thinking about

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that when we just touched on it in the last episode

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which was a roundtable. The 50 year anniversary of Carrie PERSON just hit. Like that kind of

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has it. That was a really cool looking hardcover. Yeah, it has me kind of like Jones PERSON into

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go and read it again. It's been it's such a good book. It's been a number of years

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since I have read it. So yeah, I might have to dive it because that's a fun one too. It's such a good book. It's been a number of years since I have read it.

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So, yeah, I might have to dive in because that's a fun one too.

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It is. Good old Carrie PERSON's mom.

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I also was thinking about watching the new version again.

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I think we discussed in that episode where people are asking about it and stuff.

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Also, there was a subreddit where people are talking about something.

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The Carrie PERSON adaptations came up. Somebody said, you know, or which one's the one to watch? And everyone, of course, is sayingdit where people were talking about something. The Carrie adaptations came up.

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Somebody said, you know, or which one's the one to watch?

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And everyone, of course, is saying, you know, the DiPama PRODUCT. But I'm like, you know, the DePama ORG one, of course, it is the better of them. I'm like, but Julianne Moore playing Carrie's mom in the second is worth the price of admission. And I had a couple different people comment going, wait, she's in it? Like, Kay PERSON, sold. I'm going to go watch that version now.

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It was not, when it came out that was not the big advertising thing because the actress who played uh carry was a newer name and so they were pushing her really hard in the marketing and stuff i think she was kind of like a little bit

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hot i think she'd just come off with some bigger something something yeah exactly that's what

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that's what i was meaning it's like she just hit it and then she was going to do a horror film. So it's like a horror film, you know, Carrie PERSON.

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And it's like, yeah, we're going to use her. We're going to push this. They weren't using Julianne Moore PERSON. Not much. And so, yeah, there's a couple different people that commented on. We're like, all right, I'll watch that version now, just if nothing else for her. And I'm like, you won't be sorry.

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If that's what you're going in looking for is a good performance for Julianne Moore PERSON, guess what? Done.

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Yeah, you're always going to get that.

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All right. So subchapter 10.

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Let's go jump on over here.

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Hopefully it's not as long as nine.

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Yeah, so subchap of 10 starts off. The coffin hunters were staying at the watchman's house about five miles out of town. Halfway there, Jonas PERSON stopped at a turnout or turnout beside the road. The land sharply dropped off to a rocky descent to the sea. He tells DePape PERSON to get down off his horse. DePate tries to argue, but Jonas PERSON told him again and he got down.Jonas then tells him to take off his glasses, and DePep PERSON again tries to ask what this is about. Jonas PERSON cuts him off and says if he leaves them on, or he can leave them on if he wants them broken. It's up to him. DePate PERSON bit his lip hard, but took off his glasses and they were barely off his, or barely in his his hand before Jonas punched him. De Pape PERSON cried and stumbled backwards towards the drop off and Jonas PERSON drove towards him and grabbed him just before he went over the edge. Jonas, and he's holding himby the shirt over the edge, Jonas PERSON tells him he should have, he should throw him over the edge, um, and asks if he knew how much harm he had done. DePate PERSON tries to answer babbling between he never meant to. It was all just a bit of fun. How are they supposed to know? Kind of just jumbling between all those things.

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Jonas PERSON relaxed a bit because it is true.

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How were they supposed to know? If not for tonight, how would they have known at all? And if you looked at it that way, DePate PERSON may have done them a favor. People would laugh, but that would not even be that bad because laughter would stop and do time. at all. And if you looked at it that way, DePate PERSON may have done them a favor. People would laugh, but that would not even be that bad because the laughter would stop in due time. DePate apologized to Jonas PERSON and tells him to shut up.And he was not going to toss him over because if he did, then he'd have to throw clay over and then himself over because the boys had gotten the drop on all of them.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, this, I mean, even the first time I read this, this did not shock me in the least bit. No. You know, yeah, this, I knew this was coming. It's kind of that, you know, stricken dog that those two had that mentality of in that room.

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Or it was just like, yeah. And then. Well, it's like I said, they knew they were going to get it later.

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Yeah.

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They knew. That's why they didn't speak up or say shit because they didn't want to make it worse for themselves.

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Yeah.

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Because Jonas PERSON is the kind of guy. Instead of punching him, he'd pull out his gun and put two in your head. Yeah. And then kick you over the cliff and be like, oh, he wrote out of town. He left.

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Yeah.

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He was too embarrassed. He wrote out. Yeah. And it's like, all right. Yeah. Jonas PERSON is telling the truth.They know this. They know who they're writing with. And I just, my first note here, I put this before any of your notes. Jonas PERSON starts off by not calling to pay by his name. Just says, get down mister.

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Yeah. And that's where you know you're really, really in trouble. It's when they don't call you by your normal name.

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He doesn't, you know, it's not when they call you, you know, by your first name.

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It's the first and middle. It's what you, or you get the first, middle, and last name. That not when they call you, you know, by your first name. It's the first and middle. Or you get the first, middle and last name. That's when you're like, ah, shit, I'm dead.

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Or son, boy, you know, something like that.

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And this here, Jonas PERSON uses Mr.

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It's like, dude, you know you fucked up.

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Or you know it would be like even worse. And neither of us dealt with this.

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But if you had a shortened version of your name, if you're Robert and you were Bobby PERSON. And then you fucked up. Or you know it would be like even worse, and neither of us dealt with this. But if you had a shortened version of your name, if your name was Robert and you were Bobby PERSON,

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and then you heard Robert PERSON,

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that would be like the middle name with just one word. I had a friend who had that, you know, a shortened name. And he always went by the short name. He went by Nate PERSON. But his full name was Nathaniel PERSON.Yeah.

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So when you heard Nathaniel PERSON, it's like,

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okay, I'm going home. Bye, dude. God be with you Nathaniel PERSON, it's like, okay, I'm going home, bye, dude. God PERSON be with you. And then David PERSON in the chat says, if you watch the first one, you hear John Travolta PERSON say get her done.Yeah. Yeah, John Travolta PERSON, that. I mean, and again, I would never argue that the new version is better than the De Palma PERSON classic. But I will say that it's at least worth a watch,I think, to everyone. And then David also said, Jonas PERSON is pretty fascinating dude. I kind of wish I knew a little bit more about his backstory.

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Yeah, he's a very interesting character, for sure.

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David also says a little bit above Kujo and Dolores Claybourne PERSON don't have chapters at all.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, I missed that one.

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Thanks.

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Glad you caught that.

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Sometimes when there's multiple chats, it's easy to overlook one. But yeah, that. Interesting. Yeah, I missed that one. Thanks. Glad you caught that. Sometimes when there's like multiple chats, it's easy to overlook one.

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But yeah, that's awesome.

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Kujo ORG's on my list. That's been on my, and honestly, I might have to get that one quick because Rattlesnake is going to be here coming out in about a month. Yeah. So a little less than a month now because we're now on the 27th of April.

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So it comes out in May, right? It's like May 24th or something like that.

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So yeah, it's less than a month away now. So maybe I won't have time to reread Coojo PERSON before that. But either way.

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It's not that long.

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No, it's not.

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I know it'll traumatize you.

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Dolores Claiborne is also one I've never read.

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But I know that Kathy Bates PERSON is an adaptation.

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Dolores Claybourne and Gerald's game need to be read together.

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Oh, yeah?

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Yeah.

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That's good to know.

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Yeah.

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So my notes here, Jonas PERSON had to have picked this spot in particular, right?

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Like, it's far enough away that no one's going to, no one's, they're not going to have anyone watching.

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But it's also this spot that has this threat, this cliff for him to threaten with.

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It feels this is all very thought out.

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This isn't just like a random like, okay, we're just far enough away.

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Oh, look, this turnout happens to have a clip.

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No, he fucking needs this spot.

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He's like, okay, I know where we're stopping just so I can spank the children.

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Yeah, like when they're in that goddamn town hall center, like he in his head, he was picking that spot, right?

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You know what?

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It would not surprise me if they've stopped here before. Yeah.

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It's just halfway between where they, you know, they're staying and everything like that.

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If one of them fucked up or something, I could totally see Jonas PERSON just stopping here and just,

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what are you doing?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then my next note, the classic telling a sport to take off their glasses.

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Yeah.

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That's never going to, that never goes well.

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Oh, no.

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No, no, no.

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And then my next note, uh-oh, Jonas PERSON, seeing this is a good thing because now they know what the boys are capable of suddenly throws cold water on me as a reader.

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I remember being happy that, you know, they got the better of them. They had saved sheamy, all this kind of stuff. But this was the cold water moment. I remember the first time reading it where it's like, oh, fuck, they just exposed themselves. Like, you know, now these coffin hunters know, uh, at least in part what these kids are capable of. So I remember that being kind of a bummer for me, um, the first time

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reading. Uh, I was all, I was all happy about it, but ultimately now they're going to be,

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they're never going to underestimate the boys again. That's not good. Yeah. No, it's not.

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Especially because we've already seen there's a larger conspiracy afoot.

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So you've now just, you've now given away the one bit of like upper hand you actually

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had was the fact that you were, could have been anonymous as long as you needed to.

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We've just given that all away now.

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And for nothing, really.

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I mean, ultimately it is in the law.

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I mean, again, not that they know, but we kind of understand there's something bigger going on here um so it's just like fuck you just expose yourself at the wrong time right

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it's like in sports you have like a really killer play well you don't want to fucking use it in

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the first quarter of the first yeah on the third play of the game of the first game of the year

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like no uh that's just not that's not how it works you want to save sometimes you have the ace of spade in your sleeve yep um and then good to see jonas taking some blame for getting bested as well that That's my last note.

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Yeah. I was trying to decide where to put my note because it kind of goes with your last two notes. It is also building concern that Jonas PERSON isn't one of those high and mighty bad guys that are so dumb that they're just easily going to be bested.

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Yeah.

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They're going to take, oh, their boys, I'm going to take them for granted.

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I don't have to worry about them. No, he recognizes them as a threat.

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He says it, he says it right here.

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But, you know, he did us a favor by helping us realize what these men really are.

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Yeah.

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You know, like, and that's where you're like, oh, shit, he's a crafty motherfucker.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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Yeah. And. Yeah.

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And we have three 14-year-olds that have to go against him.

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Yeah.

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Like, oh, that's not good.

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No, that's definitely not good.

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Yeah.

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And then Dave in the chat said, I recommend listening to the audio version because the whole book is written in a strong dialect.

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And then you asked which one.

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Yeah, I'm trying to clarify which book.

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Because Dolores Claiborne or Kujo ORG, I don't remember

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Dolores Claybourne PERSON with a strong dialect.

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So that's why I'm, might be Kujo ORG.

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Yeah. Because I've only read Kujo ORG. I've never listened to Kudjo PERSON.

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I don't think I have either.

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I read Kudu ORG when I was like I was, I don't know, 17, 16, something like that.

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It's been a long time. Very, very long time. So then jumping into the next section of year, Jonas tells Clay PERSON to come down off his horse. And he does, and they all hunker down. Jonas PERSON recaps what they were made to believe about the boys and asked if either of them still believe that. And neither of them did.And that's just ultimately I kind of skipped over recapping it. But it's the whole premise of what we talked about early on, right? Their cover story is they're coming here to do a chore or whatever. Everyone's going to infer from that that, oh, they did some bad shit. Now this is their makeup for whatever.

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That's ultimately their grand cover story. And he kind of recaps that, but then says either you still believe it. They both say no.

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DePay said that they may be rich boys, but that's not all they were tonight. They acted like, and they trailed off, not wanting to finish the thought. Jonas PERSON finished his thought, though, and he says they acted like gunslingers. After a pause, Clay PERSON responded that they are too young, too young by years. Jonas says not too young to be apprentices, and then turned to DePape PERSON and said that he had writing to do. And he tried to argue, but Jonah said none of them covered themselves in glory that night,but he was the one that started it all. He then tells him that he was, then tells him he's going to ride their back trail and ask questions

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until they get the answers that he thinks will satisfy Jonas PERSON's curiosity. He then says that he and Clay PERSON will wait and watch play castles. And when he thinks they can snoop without triggering something, they will. He asks if they knew why he shook hands with Dearborn PERSON because they can't rock the boat, not with the edging towards the harbor. Latigo PERSON and his men have been waiting, or Latigo and the men they had been waitingfor will be moving towards them soon. And when they get to this area, they need to keep, or they need to keep their peace base until they get to this area. But then he does say that no one puts a knife to Elder Jonas PERSON's back and lives.And he tells Roy PERSON to listen, but we are not privy to then the next bit that he lays out to him, which I don't like that.

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David clarifies he was talking about Dolores Claiborne. Written is written and dialects. So I would recommend the audio version, which is, yeah. So I listen to the audio version. So that's why I didn't have any issues.

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Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, you know, I will say that kind of stuff annoys me. And I get it, but like stuttering Bill PERSON and it drives me fucking insane.

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When you're trying to read the physical?

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No, no, the audio is worse for me. Because when I'm reading, I just skip and say, okay, that's what he's saying and I move on. But in the book, it just, or the audio book, and she keeps going and going. And I'm like, my God, man, get on with this.

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But I get it, though.

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Sometimes something is written in a way that it's kind of hard to discern when it's

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on paper. But then if you listen to it, it's like, oh, okay, I kind of catch what's the flow of it or whatever. So the age of the boys is enough to wave off a lot of suspicion in regards to being gunslingers. But there is a suspicion now at least.

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And it is, yeah. And he says they may not be old not be gunslingers, but maybe old not be gunslinger apprentices, which we know that Roland PERSON is.

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You're like, oh, shit, he figured it out. Yeah, so it's like, oh, man, well,

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they don't even have that fully unknown anymore.

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I mean, there's at least suspicion on it now.

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So Roy PERSON is going to be riding the boy's trail and finding out as much as he can.

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That makes me nervous because we did not see their trip coming here.

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So we don't know what they may or may not have said to the people along the trail. And if Roy PERSON, you know, and what Roy might find, if anything.

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So that makes me really nervous as a reader.

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I remember being like, like, wait, what?

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No, I don't like that.

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I'd feel better if we had actually read that journey, right?

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Like, because then I'd be like, oh, well, I kind of know what they didn't, didn't say.

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Like, well, if they did say something to the wrong person, like, well, as long as they don't talk to this guy, we're okay. Like, you know, but to not have any of that, it makes me just kind of like, ew.

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Yeah, you don't see that scene, so you don't know what's going to happen.

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Yeah, it's like, I don't know what he might find.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And that's where my note comes in is, King's doing a great job of making these confoundters, especially Jonas PERSON, very menacing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, indeed. Yeah, they're, I mean, honestly, I can't necessarily say that they even, they're necessarily stand out from. Yeah, indeed. Yeah, they're... I mean, honestly, I can't necessarily say that they even... They're necessarily stand out from the series because this series has done a really good job up to this point of... I don't think any of the villains that we've really ran into have been like,ah, they're not a big deal.

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Yeah.

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I tell you every time that we've kind of run into someone that was an adversary, it's been like...

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Oh, shit.

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Yeah, there's been some stress involved. So... You get to the TikTok man or Blaine PERSON and you're just like, uh-oh. Yeah, it's just there, yeah, there's enough behind them where it's like, there's never a time where it just feels like, oh, this is just like kind of a minor villain. They'll be able to just get right past real easy.Like, no, it's always been. I mean, even like gashers, one that you may have wanted to underestimate, but then he gets them by the balls.

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It's like, there's like, he kind of wins that whole exchange initially. So it's like, and Roland PERSON had to bow and just like, yep, he got us.

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Yeah, and it's like, oh, God damn it. So King PERSON's done a good job with this series so far. There isn't a lot of piss poor villains, but here's another set of very, very good adversaries

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that were kind of worried about.

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Then my next note, and at some point,

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Farson PERSON's men will be moving in this direction.

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And when they get here, the boys are going to be in for a real pile of shit, it seems like.

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He's basically saying we've got to hold Pat until Latigo PERSON has been, because they're going to be coming this direction soon. So it's like that also tells us that whatever plan is afoot is sooner than later. And, you know, it doesn't sound like it's going to be after the boys are planned to leave. So this is all going to come to a head, which as a, from a stepping outside of it, it's like it's going to be after the boys are planned to leave. So this is all going to come to a head.

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Which as a, from a stepping outside of it, it's like it very well better. This is a book. I want good shit to happen. But at the same time, as one that cares to these characters, I'm like, we've talked about it. I'm thinking on the last episode, we don't know where, like, Atlantic Cuthbert PRODUCT end up. Like, they could very well die in this story.Yeah. Like, we know that every, this is the furthest along the line that we've seen these characters. We haven't, it's not like a spoiler where we've seen like, oh, no, we saw like this in book one, it flashed back to 10 years beyond this and Cupert PERSON's still there. So he's safe. No, like he's, he's in danger. Roland PERSON's the only one that's really not.

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So, um, I don't know. It's getting me nervous here. I don't know. We've had other characters introduced to us that we care about.

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It's not just Bert and a Land PERSON either.

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It's, well, what's going to happen with Susan PERSON and everything going forward?

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Yeah. Because we got introduced to Herb with the ride with Roland PERSON and everything back from the coups.

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And it's like, well, what's going to happen here with them?

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And not to mention Rio PRODUCT, which we all love so much.

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No. No. No.

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I love it when, like, the reaction on your face, it's almost like I punched you.

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It is.

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I love, just punch me.

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I love what I get those reactions out of you.

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You're the worst.

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Hashtag Ted is terrible.

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Oh, my last note here, it always makes me nervous when the enemies conspire,

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whether it be in a book or a movie or a TV show, whatever.

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And we as the viewers are

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left out of what they're saying.

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Yeah.

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Because there's two.

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All right, listen, men, this is the plan.

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Sometimes you hear that when it's heroes and sometimes you hear it's villains. A lot of times when it's heroes, it's kind of good because it's like whatever they're planning you're going to see unfold. And it's better to not know. It's better to watch this beautiful plan unfold. Yep.But when it's the bad guys, it's like, uh-oh.

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This isn't good.

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Like, please tell me.

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Like, I don't want to be in the dark right now.

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No. Let me know what's going on.

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So that makes me nervous that there, he's like, all right, listen up. And then we kind of, the way King PERSON writes, it's almost like you're fading out, you don't hear them anymore. It's like, God damn it.

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Or this would be one of those instances where the camera starts to pan back and it's the waves crashing.

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Yeah. Drowns out's the waves crashing. Yeah.

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Drowns out their voices.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that puts us in subchapter 11, which we get to see the Roland and Alan and Kuthbert get back to the bar Kews FAC where they're staying. And it isn't until they're almost back. The Qthbert breaks the silence saying that he is, it was an amusing and instructive evening, was it not? When neither Roland nor Alain PERSON replies, he leans over and talks to the rook skull on his saddle and asks if he enjoyed its evening. Dinner, a circle dance, and almost getting killed on top of it all.

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Lookout, of course, doesn't respond. Cuthbert PERSON says that the rook is too tired to talk, and as a matter of fact, he is too. Then he turns to Roland PERSON and says, he got a good look at Jonas's eyes after he shook hands with him and he meant to kill roland roland nods still doesn't say anything a land says they uh mean to kill them all roland says they will make it hard for jonas but they know more about them now than when they they did at dinner he stops just as j had, not three miles away, but instead of looking out over the cleansea, they were looking over the drop. Roland is looking over at a herd moving on the drop when Alan PERSON asks what he sees. And then I quote from the book, Trouble, Roland PERSON said, and in our road. Then he gigged his horse and rode on. Before they got back to the Bar Cape Bunk FAC, before they got back to the bar cape bunk uh before they got back to the barque bunk house he was thinking about susan again five minutes after he dropped his head on the flatburlap pillow he was dreaming of her and that's the end of the subchapter just that quick little bit

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with them no chastising from roland for to cuthbert for getting them into the mess or anything like that yeah just he knows it's interesting to see Roll PERSON. I actually didn't take note of this, but it's interesting to see that Roland PERSON knows that they know more about them now.

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Yeah. So kind of like, oh, okay, Roland PERSON's smart enough that he figured that out. But my first note here, after all that, he starts thinking and dreaming about her instantly.Yeah.

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Like even after the fight that they had,

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like the harsh words that he said to her at the dance.

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Yeah, let's not lose side of that after all this brouhaha at the Traveler's Rest FAC.

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Roland PERSON was thinking about it.

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That's why he wasn't at the Traveler's Rest with Burton Alan PERSON. He had to go off by himself to think about how he had treated her.

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Yeah, yeah, indeed. So my note, Cuthbert PERSON and the lookout never ceases to crack me up. Also, it's interesting to see this side of the scuttle, but they also found it informative as well.

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So it's just you're seeing both sides of it after it all went down.

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So pretty great there. Also, interesting that despite his humor, he notices, he noticed the look of Jonas PERSON's eyes and knows his intentions. Yep.

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So Cuthbert PERSON is not a, he's not an observant.

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He's able to, he's able to observe as well as Roland PERSON maybe that he saw it there. Because Roland PERSON would have seen it direct, right?

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It would have been looking at him.

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When you got Cuthbert PERSON standing off to the side or, you know, wherever it might be and still to see that and kind of see the intention, I think it shows that like, he's a sharp kid.

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It is pretty fascinating when people just write off a character because they're a loud mouth.

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Loud mouths can be observant too.

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Yeah.

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You know, and he sees things.

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We've seen that with him calling Roland on his shit in book three, I think it is.

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You know, stop holding our hands, you know.

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Yeah. We're going with you. Stop leading us around by the nose. It's kind of that little speech that he gives him.

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Oh, yeah, it's right before they get to toll and everything. Blood. I mean, Ludd GPE. Yeah, thank you. Wouldn't want Eddie PERSON there.

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No. I don't think he'd be very happy about how that went. Probably not.

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So far, we've yet to see Eddie PERSON once be involved with killing that doesn't affect him in some way emotionally.

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So massacring a whole town, that would have not been great.

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Nope.

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I do like the fact that Bert PERSON is too tired to talk, but yet he's the only one yammering on.

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Yeah. That's Bert PERSON for you. Sounds about right.

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Yeah. I almost wonder if he's kind of one of those kinds that, when he's tired, he just talks more. Yo. It's concerning when I get quiet. And then my last one,

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love the connection to the young and older Roland with the trouble and in our road. Honestly, with something like that, I just don't expect, like that feels like an,like an idiom, like some sort of saying. And I just don't know that a 14 year old would come up with that. So I'm assuming he's probably Like that feels like an like an like an like an idiom like some sort of saying.

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And I just don't know that a 14 year old would come up with that.

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So I'm assuming he's probably heard that from someone else.

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And the fact that it sticks with him all the way until you know, we heard it earlier in this book. Looking ahead on the interstate. The big glass glass palace.

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Yeah.

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So for him to still say it so far in the future just makes me wonder, is this like something that dad or court said that...

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He picked it up from someone. Yeah, he picked it up from someone.

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Probably someone that he respected and thought highly of.

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And here he is still saying it all those years later that here he is saying it was a 14-year-old. It's kind of a fun little thing to see it at both ages.

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Let's see.

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Oh, yeah, that's true. Brockie says Roland specifically asked Bert PERSON to observe at the party. So maybe he's even more observant than Roland PERSON is. Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Good call.And then let's see. David mentions, yeah, we do know that there's been a couple mentions of Jericho Hill LOC so far in previous books. And it says so maybe we don't have, maybe not as much as unknown about this book as we thought. Oh, okay. Which, yeah, that's, I, it's funny, though,because there's also mentions that we've had of Susan throughout the last three books.

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But it's still, it's like, I don't know. It's interesting.

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And then David PERSON said, I know they call John Farson the Goodman, but all I hear is John Goodman PERSON.

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So there we go. If we get John Farson, it should be John Goodman PERSON. Should.

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I mean, of course, I am of the belief that Farson and Flag PERSON are the same person, but I do know the flag also can change shapes. It's true.

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Appears different people. And then talking about, Dolores Claiborne's written in a dialect, so I would recommend the audio version. I powered through it, but I had a friend in college who stuttered, and you kind of have to power through it in real life too.And that's true. That is certainly true. And again, and that's probably more to me bitched about, you know, listening to the audio book of it, where I'm just like, oh my God.Yeah, I totally get it. I know it's a real thing. Does that really rub you the wrong way? It just, like bother, not rub you the wrong way, but it does it really bother you? Yeah, it gets on me. Really?

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I enjoy it because it's such a good performance by Stephen Weber PERSON. No, it certainly is. But it's just like, I don't know, it's like the Monty Python WORK_OF_ART. Get on with it.

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You would not have been Suttering Bill's PERSON friend, would you?

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I mean, I don't know.

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That's tough to say. I don't think you would have? I mean, I don't know. That's tough to say.

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I don't think you would have.

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I was, I got around quite a bit in elementary school.

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I was friends with a lot of different groups.

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I mean, I was that way in high school, too.

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I was friends with like, I felt like I was kind of a chameleon that was able to float amongst all different groups.

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Except for the religious ones for some reason.

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It's like they stayed away from the demon that you are.

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Oh, man. That's true. That's true. Especially growing up in Utah GPE. There's a lot of them.

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Indeed. And then Alan popped in. Hile Allen PERSON. Welcome.

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So yeah, now we are jumping over to chapter seven. So chapter six is in the books. Chapter

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seven is titled on the drop.

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And let's see, jumping on into subchapter 1 of chapter 7.

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We got three subchapters to cover for this section.

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So let's go ahead and dive on in.

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So three weeks had passed since the welcome dinner and the showdown afterwards.

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There had been no trouble between the boys and the coffin hunters.

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The kissing moon had become the peddlers moon. Susan PERSON rode pylon across the drop and drove him faster and faster. She barely saw the scenery around her as she was just focused on the thunder of pylon's hooves. She wanted to outrun her own thoughts, all because she had come downstairs this morning, dressed to ride in one of her father's old shirts. So we got a little bit of a Stephen King aspect there that we're getting a tease a little bit here.Because we're basically starting at the later point.

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And then it seems like most likely we're going to rewind to what happened. Classic king. Classic king. Indeed.

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So my note time is progressing. But nothing has transpired amongst the two groups after three weeks.

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So that's probably good. That means that there wasn't any, you know, sometimes after like a big blowup like that,

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both sides might have so much steam that all it takes is a smallest little thing to set them both off again. So the fact that you're three weeks in, I think that gives them all time to like catch their breath and, I don't know, be strategic about it.

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Yeah. My note here is I love the names that they give them the moons. Pedlar's Moon LOC, Kissing Moon, Demon Moon, all those different ones.

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I don't know if that's what they actually were called back like in the olden days in our world and everything.

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I don't know the phases of the moon.

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Aside from like full half new. Yeah. That's what I know them as. So if that's what the real names are, you know, from olden times, cool. If not, I love the King PERSON came up with them.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it would be interesting. I wonder what other cultures, if they had, like, names for the different phase of them.

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That's an interesting question.

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So Susan is writing with some emotion here, and King is putting the after part first here. And it seems like we always love it when he does that. Yeah. And that's it. This is a very short, short subchapter.

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I got one. You got one. It's perfectly balanced as all things should be.

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Yeah. Indeed.

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It was a short one. So jump on over to subchapter two. This is going to be a little bit of a longer subchapter.

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And then in the chat, Davidson PERSON, it's definitely difficult to listen through. But I figured if it happens in real life, I might as well listen through it. And it's true.

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And honestly, it hasn't stopped me from listening through it.

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Apparently it did because you didn't listen to it for like 15 years.

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Oh, none of that now.

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Not that long.

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How long was it?

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Close to 10, maybe.

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Maybe.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I exaggerated so far.

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Yeah, it's kind of like freaking under the dome.

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I've actually never listened to that

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that one.

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I noticed that not too long ago.

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I remember buying it on hardcover and shit

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and I breeze through that book pretty quick. I was like, I couldn't put it down.

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Yeah. But I was looking through my stuff and I'm like, I don't have under the dome. I'm like, honestly, I'm like, I started to think about it.I'm like, yeah, I have never listened to that story.

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I've only ever read it. So that one has been out for a long time. Long time. What is that?

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Like 2010. Let me pull it up. I have the list up anyway. Um, under the dome. 2009.

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So that has been a hot minute. Dude, we're getting close to some of these books being out for 20 years.

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That's, that's crazy, dude. Yeah, I was, that reminds me of another Reddit discussion. There was someone

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that's title was, uh, King recommendations It was the Steaming King ORG subreddit.

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And his first thing is he's like, oh, yeah, I read King PERSON when I was a kid a bit,

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but I've really fallen off over the years.

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I'm kind of just feeling like jumping back in. He's like, you know, what are some good ones to read? I'm like, oh, 1122, 63. Like that's like the perfect thing to recommend to someone.

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And I go and look at the ones because he lists what he actually has read. And he mentioned that. You're like, wait, you were a kid.

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Oh. It was just like a stab in the heart i was like oh like the yoda pretty much but then uh you know that was 2011 so yeah that's been that could easily be someone

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that's uh you know 18 21 year old person that was you know however young in 2000 or however young they would have been when they picked up 11 20 so it just it hurt me though because i was like oh yeah and i clicked out of the i'm not even comment i'm done i can't i can't do this

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uh barraqi says i don't get all the hate for under the dome i loved it from front to back don't get us

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wrong we loved the book yes the miniseries however oh it's horrible it left a bad taste in our mouth and it's very unfair that the book is getting crap for it.

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There's a lot of people, I think, that have let the mini series, or the series, it wasn't

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even a mini series, because there's multiple seasons. Oh, that's right. It was like three seasons. But they've let that affect the book. And I have not done that. Like, for me, it's just a matter of like, there, I mean, I've honestly, like, sincethat's come out, like we've started this show. Yeah.

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I've done this whole idea of going through all the books who created this list and stuff. Like, when I started, I mean, I've honestly, like, since that's come out, like we've started this show. I've done this whole idea of going through all the books who created this list and stuff. Like, when I started, I mean, I'm at 72% of King PERSON's bibliography right now. I guarantee I would have been closer to like 25 to 30% when we started all this.

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So I've read a lot of fucking King PERSON in that time. And I've really tried to minimize rereads as much as I can.

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And it doesn't hurt that or it doesn't help that I've, you know, got things like Dark Tower WORK_OF_ART and the stand that I'm rereading so regularly and that are girthy. That, you know, like there's a lot of books. I have it. I mean, when I reread Mr. Mercedes trilogy back when they dropped them on Peacock ORG. And it was the first time they were like readily accessible.I watched through them all that I went through and read them. And that was the first time since they had published. So it's just I would say it's hard to get around to rereads for me, except for a couple special ones I reread pretty often.

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Yeah. Dead Zone, one of my favorite books that I've read of his. I still ever reread that. So, yeah.

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Yes, I don't hate Under the Dome FAC. I'm with you. It was a page turner. I think I went through that one faster than most of the close to a thousand page of books because I couldn't fucking put it down.

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Yeah. It was back when we were younger. I mean, I think I remember like, you know, literally losing sleep because of that book. It's like,oh, well, I can go on four hours of sleep. I'll read for a couple more hours.

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So, yeah, I do love the book. Even people that shit on the ending, I love it. Yeah. It's great stuff for me.I liked it too.

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I remember you being like, dude, you got to read this. And you gave me your copy. And dude, you got to read this. And you gave me your copy. And then someone else wanted to read it as well.And you're like, dude, as soon as you're done, like get it back to me. I read like maybe like six or seven chapters. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to go buy my own. I just went and bought my own and gave yours back.

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Plus there's also just something great about having a hardcover you can kill someone with.

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Yeah. It's just some comfort to that.

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You could drop it out of a window under a little kid's head. As much as I love, like, later, you couldn't hurt anybody with that book if you had to,

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if it came down to like a self-defense situation.

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But under the dome, like, yeah, put that in a pillowcase and start swinging it.

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On the dome would be good to hit someone in the dome with.

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I just see this a Pruder film.

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With Under the Dome FAC.

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I'm surprised you didn't give me a comment about my joke about dropping it on a kid.

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Yeah, Susanna PERSON would not approve.

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They'd not approve.

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I mean, I think maybe a brick might do less damage than Under the Dome FAC.

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Terminal velocity.

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All right, so going on to subchapter two,

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and this is a pretty lengthy subchapter.

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And before we start this chapter,

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I wanted to ask a question because I did miss a few.

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We already mentioned it.

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I did miss a few book clubs. How much have we seen of the Ant Court and Susan PERSON's relationship?

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We've certainly seen hints. This is going to be the biggest blow up we've seen.

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But there was the confrontation after Ria PERSON. Okay. Where, you know, she's like, you know, expected you an hour ago. Like, and then there was just kind of a back and forth.

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There was kind of, you definitely got the sense of their reputation also at the party. It's like, why is he looking at you like that? Like, and it was just immediately jumping on her, accusing her of shit. Okay. We've, I think, I don't think there's going to be any surprises, although this does go further than anything we've seen before.

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But I think we've got plenty of, um, little hints.

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We've gotten plenty. Yeah, there's plenty of signs that we've seen so far that this is not a great relationship. Got it. Okay.

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So it's breakfast. Aunt Cord PERSON was at the stove getting a bowl of oatmeal. Susan PERSON saw things were not good the moment that her aunt looked at her. There was a twitch to her lip as disapproving glance at the orange that Susan PERSON was peeling. Her aunt was wrinkled by the lack of silver and gold she had expected by now and couldn't get since Ria had to decree that Susan would remain aversion until autumn. But money wasn't the only thing. They were sick of each other. Cord PERSON had expected to have the house to herself by nowwith an occasional visit from Jonas PERSON, who she was taken with. And then I got a quote here from the books. I thought this was just really compelling how King PERSON described this relationship between the two women. Instead, they were still here they still were. One woman growing toward the end of her courses,thin disapproving lips in a thin, disapproving face, tiny apple breasts under her high-necked dresses with her choker collars. The neck she frequently told Susan PERSON is the first thing to go. Her hair losing its former chestnut shine and showing wire threads of gray. The other, young, intelligent, agile, and rounding toward the peak of her physical beauty. They grated against each other, each word seeming to produce a spark, and that was notsurprising. The man who had loved them both enough to make them love each other was gone. And my first note here, as a father and everything, this is never going to end well when an adult doesn't love the child that they're raising. Yeah.

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Even if Susan's not exactly like a young child, the fact of that line there at the end from King PERSON, the man who would love them both enough to make them love each other. So there is no love between the two of them without Pat PERSON. Not inherent. Yeah. Yeah.That's not, that's, that's a terrible situation to be in yeah and that's just the I had to stop there very

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early on in the subchapter because that is dark yeah to have that pronouncement from king right here

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at the start yeah um so my notes here I think this uh this gives a sense of their relationship

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even if we hadn't uh even if we hadn't seen,

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or even though we have seen taste of it already,

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the fact that Susan PERSON immediately knew

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it was not going to go well because of Cord PERSON's disposition.

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It honestly reminds me of how abused kids

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tend to be able to read the smallest things with an abusive parent and their mood.

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Not to say court is necessarily physically abusive, but still it doesn't speak well of her either. You know, you always hear about that with kids that, like, have super abusive parents where it's just liketheir privy of the smallest change in their parents' attitudes and stuff.

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Like, you know, you see that all the time, unfortunately, like throughout, you know, whatever. It reminds me of Beverly PERSON.

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Yeah, exactly. With her dad and everything like that. Like, she knew instantly, like, if it was his tone or the way he looked at her or anything.

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Yeah, exactly. And my next note, again, with the money, with this hag, this is bad enough that she's essentially disappointed to not have more money. But what's worse is she's also wanting the house to herself. That goes to what you said, she doesn't care for Susan PERSON beyond the pay that she is going to bring her.

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So, yeah.

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Just not very likable.

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No. Then all this aside, King shows the difference between the two and how it's going to spark trouble on occasions. You know, because it's just, because sometimes you do have that. You have those oil and water people where they're just, they're not. I mean, throughout life, you see it with couples.You see it with parents and kids. Sometimes they're just, there's, the two attitudes and different, like, personalities are too different that they're just, they're, they're always

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going to have a pop off every so often. Spouses with in-laws is a big one. That happens a ton.

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Yeah. It's like, oh, you're not good enough for my son slash daughter, you know, kind of thing.

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And here, court is basically saying, like, you know, I'm mad at you for, you know, not

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completing the deal, even though it's out of Susan PERSON's hand.

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It's like, not even her fault at all, but she's still holding it against her.

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Yeah.

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Resenting her for it. Exactly. And so going on, Aunt Cord asks if she's going, if Susan PERSON's going out on that horse, she was sitting in a shaft of, Aunt Cord PERSON was sitting in a shaft of sun. She never would have sat in if Jonas PERSON was visiting. The strong light made her face look like a carved mask.She had a cold sort growing in one corner of her mouth from not sleeping and stressing.

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She tells Susan PERSON to eat more than the orange. Susan PERSON says it'll hold her over just fine. She starts to eat the orange faster because she could see dislike and disapproval in her aunt's eyes and wanted to get away from the table before it, you know, exploded and began. Her aunt asks why not have a bowl of oatmeal like hers and it will hold her until lunch?Susan PERSON thinks it looks like a bowl of mud or shit that a horse hoof had stamped down in. Then her aunt says, and I quote this from the book, I suppose a fine young lady such as yourself can't be bothered with chores. That's the quote.

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To which Susan PERSON replied she had already done them. And then to herself, she thinks, you know this aunt. I did them while you were poking at the sore on your face. For a moment, it seems breakfast would end on a reasonably civil note. But then the shirt business started. And I put my note here, her aunt is already such a pleasant person.

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Yeah. Like, you know, I have this conversation with my daughter. Hey, you're going to eat something more than just that? No, I'm not hungry. Are you sure? I don't want you to be hungry later.

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You know, that's how I have that conversation. Yeah. Because I love and respect my daughter. I want her to be fed and

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have energy and, you know, and everything like that. She's over here just like, eat more. You know,

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like, gurg. And just like, oh, hostile. Yeah. Towards her, you know. Yeah. There might be a reason

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that she ended up on the second in the votes for the most hated character, yeah.

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2019 back when we did our first March insanity.

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It was her in the finals.

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So there's versus Rhea PERSON, both from this book.

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Yeah, there's a reason for that.

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My notes here, as if she actually cares about Susan PERSON's diet, more like she's trying to assert authority over her and picking whatever topic she can to flex that authority on her.

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Every little thing has to be nitpicked at.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And then my next note, Susan PERSON is wrong, though. Oatmeal is delicious. I hated it as a kid, but somewhere around her age, I grew to love it. Throw a little bit of milk and sugar in there and then get some toast for dipping, and that's a great-a-break breakfast.

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I haven't had oatmeal

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in probably 20 years i just i i i can't i mean i'm with susan it looks like crap dude i rarely eat

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it but it's one of those things where it's like and i i don't do any of that um flavor bullshit just give me plain oatmeal not not maple brown sugar or cinnamon apple like i said i'll sprinkle a little bit of sugar a little bit of milk to like coagulate it out a little bit. And then, yeah, you get some toast. It's delicious. I love it.The more I learn about you, Ted PERSON, the more you surprise me.

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Then my last note, the chores thing proves my earlier point, she is either trying to flex authority or is straight up looking for a fight.

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Oh, yeah.

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Or both?

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Yeah, to bring up the chores.

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Like, it's just,

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it's like she's just,

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she's got a couple knobs that she's seeing.

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Right.

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She's tweaking those knobs trying to find the one that's going to cause.

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It's like she wants a fight ultimately.

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Yeah. Well, it's also the way she says it. That's the thing that I've, I've had conversations with people who, who I've like tried to mediate fights for them.And I'm like, okay, it's not that you brought this subject up. It's how you brought it up.

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It's how you say it. Tone.

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You know, Aunt Cord PERSON didn't say, hey, did you get your chores done?

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Which is, again, we're using an example here, how I talk to my daughter. Okay.

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Hey, did you clean your room?

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Oh, no, I forgot.

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Okay, you got to do that before you go outside and play with your friends, you know, kind of thing. Yeah. Cord PERSON says, and this is why I quoted it, I suppose a fine young lady such as yourself can't be bothered with chores. Like, assuming that she didn't do it, assuming that she's a bad kid and everything like that. Susan PERSON, just throat punch her.

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Just throat punch her.

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Be a good one.

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Right there.

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That flappy neck that she's got.

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Yep.

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It's the first thing to go, right?

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Brokey PERSON says it's a texture thing, blah.

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See?

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That's why I don't like mashed potatoes.

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Oh, dude, mash.

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I love the taste of mashed potatoes.

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I gag at the texture of it.

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That's the only reason I don't eat them.

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I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm just not as big a potato eater as I was when I was

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younger. A lot of different kinds of potatoes I'm just kind of grown tired of. And mashed potatoes

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is one of the few that I still really fucking enjoy. Good old Thanksgiving.

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Oh, dude.

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Yeah, make a bowl out of it and then fill it with gravy. Yeah. I love it. But, uh, yeah,

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texture, I get it. Texture could be. It's sad because I do like the taste of potatoes.

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It's purely texture.

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Oh, man.

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All right, yeah.

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I'm going to get some crap from that.

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I know people, every time they find out that I don't like mashed potatoes, I always get crap.

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Hey, it's nothing like my brother when I was a kid.

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This kid did not like hamburgers of any kind.

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He wouldn't eat McDonald's ORG.

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He hated pizza. Hated mac and cheese. All the like the quintessential food for kids.

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He hated them all. What do you eat like steak or? No.

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I mean,

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I don't know. I don't even remember exactly. But like I do remember like when we were like, oh, we're going to go out to eat and we go to like McDonald's ORG. They'd like stop and get drive-through fucking Taco Bell ORG for him.All right. And we just bring it into McDonald's and he'd eat Taco Bell ORG. Well, we all ate real food. I mean, real. Real food. And McDonald ORG's.Back in the 90s, it was more like real food. It was pretty good. Taco Bell ORG, nah. Nah. So going on, Aunt Cortell Susan PERSON, but before she goes out to take off that rag she's wearing, again, a way of saying it.

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Like, calling it a rag. Yeah. Like right off the bat. Like, we're talking about. It, a way of saying it. Yeah. Calling it a rag.

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Like right off the bat, like we're talking about.

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It's the way you say things.

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Yeah.

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It's not necessarily the context of what you're saying.

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It's how you're saying it.

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Yeah. As someone who's one of my mutant powers is being able to know exactly how to say something to get someone, I know what you're talking about. Yes, you do.

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I use it to my own ends.

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You do.

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And you're horrible at it. We all hate you all. We all hate you for. Like earlier when I you do. I use it to my own ends. You do, and you're horrible at it. We hate you all for.

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Like earlier, when I slid that, we love Ria PERSON in there.

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Exactly. It's great. No, it's not.

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And see, she's doing the same thing. I'm going to start calling you Ann Cord PERSON then. She's just doing it maliciously,

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whereas I do it, you know, in a fun and jovial way. I don't like you.

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Why am I doing this again?

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Because you love it.

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I do.

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So she tells Susan PERSON to take off that rag she's wearing and put on one of the new riding blouses that the mayor sent over for her.

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Susan PERSON erupts saying that the rag had belonged to her father. Ooh. Yeah.

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That's not a good luck. No. Aunt Cord says it is too big for Susan PERSON. It is improper for her to wear a man's shirt while riding now that she has a woman's bus line.

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The riding blouses the mayor had sent over were in the corner of the front room because Susan PERSON didn't even want them in her room. They were silk and worth a small fortune each. She loved them for their frilly and full sleeve designed to flutter in the wind and had great floppy foolish collars. I love that that's how King PERSON actually worded it. Floppy foolish collars.

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Yeah.

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But of course the low scoot front is all she thought the mayor cared about.

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And there it is.

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Yeah.

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Susan PERSON says her woman's bus line is of no one's interest to her, no interest to her or anyone else while she's out riding.

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Her aunt says perhaps or perhaps not. But if someone was to mention to the mayor that they

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saw her writing in one of the new blouses, it would be a good look for them.

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Susan says, oh, sorry, Aunt Corte PERSON says, the why is she have to be so unwilling and so unfair? Susan PERSON asks, what's it matter to her? She'll have her money one way or the other after he fucks her. That's direct quote. Aunt Cord PERSON's face was white and shocked with fury.She leans across the table and slaps Susan PERSON. She says, how dare she use that word in her house and calls her a Spanish NORP word for a foul-mouthed person? I pause there and say, this is not going well. No, it just keeps getting worse. I just have to comment real fast. I didn't take a note of this, but reading through this, I should have.She's saying it's not proper for a woman to wear a button-up men's shirt. Yeah.

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Last I checked, button-up men's shirts don't show a single iota of cleavage.

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Having worn one myself, I don't think that happens. Like, unless maybe the shirt's too small.

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Yeah, that's what I'd be is. It's not cut for a woman.

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So the buttons, like, have the gaps in them and everything like that.

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But it's her dad's shirt.

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He was a bigger guy, wasn't he? Like, I don't see how that. And then she's telling her to put on one of these blouses from the mayor, which has, like, a low line to show off her cleavage. It's like, wait, what's more inappropriate for her?

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Like, come on. But this does strike is pretty true, though, because you think of like, back in like the,

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you know, the more like frontier days in our world, you know, like what women could and couldn't

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wear while being proper, right? It's like a woman couldn't wear pants. No. You know, like even if they were going to ride. You know, things like bustles and, you know, like, oh, what are the things to sit?

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Gertle PERSON. Yeah, like all that bullshit. Like, yeah. So this isn't completely out of the realm of like this might actually be a real concern for that.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, because it isn't like, oh, this. I mean, not saying her tone or anything is right, but I'm just saying that maybe there is true, like, decorum that she Yeah, exactly. You know, because it isn't like, oh, this, I mean, not saying her tone or anything is right, but I'm just saying that maybe there is true, like, decorum that she's actually referring to. And it could be. I just don't see that a dad shirt on a young adult woman would be too tight that we would have that separation issue. Well, it could

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it's just low cut it could be like not leaving much

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the imagination because again it's not cut for a woman true it could be that I don't know

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but then my note here God forbid one sides with Aunt Cord but I can kind of see where she's coming from if she's going to go out ride and be seen and word makes his way back to the mayor he could be offendedwe have not really seen enough from the mayor to know what that might mean.

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But I don't think that court's concerners are entirely unwarranted.

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Because, again, do we really know enough about the mayor?

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Like, is he one that would be vindictive?

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Would he, like, come back on them in some way? Like, I don't know. Again, I'm not, God PERSON forbid, I have to freaking side with her.

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But it is just one of those things. Yeah, it's one of those things where it is yeah I mean he's the mayor like he's got some authority like maybe there is some concern about what he may or may not like

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um of course I can totally see why Susan PERSON hates them and the idea of them as well

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not to mention why she might value a shirt of her dead father so So that's all to say that I'm not fully signing with her. I'm just saying that we don't know enough about this mayor yet to know, like, could this fuck them over? You know, could he like renege on part of the deal and short them on some money? Like, God knows.

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See, that's what, that's where Susan PERSON's kind of making the point with what she says that it doesn't matter. He's going to have me one way or the other. The papers are signed and everything like that.

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Yeah. It's agreed upon. But we don't know if he's like, is he going to be one that's going to freaking abuse her, you know, like slap her around and stuff?

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Because like you disres like, I don't know. And I know that's like leaving that stuff we don't really know.

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But I'm just saying devil's advocate for cord, which devil, cord, what's the difference?

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You know, we don't know enough about the mayor to know what exactly she's concerned about.

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Or maybe she is just being fucking.

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I will say that in the actual text, Cordelia PERSON is more worried about like their image towards the mayor.

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Oh, yeah.

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Not necessarily how the mayor's going to react if she's seen riding in her dad's shirt.

Speaker 35384.48s - 5391.76s

Yeah. It's more of like, hey, get on his good side. Maybe he'll give us a little something extra. Exactly. It could be that for sure as well.

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The other thing, too, is we see from a previous chapter that she ends up going riding on the drop, which I think is a little bit more like out in a way.

Speaker 55399.48s - 5410.22s

But like is cord assuming she might ride through town and stuff. Right. There's that part of it where we kind of know the future to know that she's going to eventually end up on the drop, which is kind of, there's not a lot of people there, I would imagine.

Speaker 45410.42s - 5413.4s

Horse drovers is basically, and that's even like Susan PERSON's point.

Speaker 35413.82s - 5415.34s

She's like, who's going to see me? Yeah.

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I didn't write it down because it wasn't important, but Cordelia does say like, well, maybe one of the drovers will see it and mention it to one of the mayor's men and it'll get back to the mayor.

Speaker 35424.38s - 5429.9s

And it's like, yeah. This isn't something that Cordelia PERSON is like, you have to do this. The mayor's going to see you, you know maybe one of the drovers will see it and mention it to one of the mayor's men and it'll get back to the mayor. And it's like, yeah, this isn't something that Cordelia is like, like, you have to do this. The mayor's going to see you, you know, kind of thing.

Speaker 45430.26s - 5433.8s

It literally is her trying to pick a fight over the smallest little thing.

Speaker 35433.8s - 5443.92s

Yeah, which seems about right. Yeah, right. And then my last note, Susan slaps Cordelia PERSON verbally and then gets physically slapped in return. Yeah. Because that was a verbal slap.

Speaker 45444.04s - 5446.02s

Oh, absolutely. Swearing at her like that.

Speaker 35446.18s - 5458.82s

Yeah, and dropping, like, the harsher end of words, too. You know, as one that grew up in Utah GPE, you know, I know there's, like, levels to how you can use swear words. And she went to the deep end of the well there.

Speaker 45459.1s - 5461.74s

Yep, one of the worst swear words that a lot of people hate.

Speaker 35461.74s - 5463.58s

And used it most graphically, too.

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Like, it's not like, oh, fuck off, but oh, so when he fucks me, like it's just, that's

Speaker 35468s - 5475.96s

it's almost a little bit worse than the other fuck that you use. Exactly. And then, because ultimately that's the thing with like movie ratings.

Speaker 45476.36s - 5479.94s

You know, PG-13, they can use fuck one time, but it can never be referring

Speaker 55479.94s - 5481.94s

to sex. Yeah. It can't be used in that

Speaker 05481.94s - 5483.98s

manner because that is so much worse

Speaker 55483.98s - 5489.12s

that that'll immediately make it rate at R. So it's like she knew, and I think she knew. She didn't, she didn't do that

Speaker 05489.12s - 5493.28s

accidentally or out of passion. I think she was fully intending to slap Cordelia PERSON with that

Speaker 55493.28s - 5499.38s

and got slapped back. And this is what she was talking about when she came downstairs, when she

Speaker 05499.38s - 5503.9s

was thinking to herself, is that she knew that this was going to go off. Yeah. She could feel it

Speaker 45503.9s - 5505.32s

like between the two of them.

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Feel the tension.

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She can't control herself when Aunt Cord PERSON pushes the buttons and flicks the switches

Speaker 35509.46s - 5510.36s

that gets her going.

Speaker 45510.46s - 5511.3s

It's like Avery PERSON said.

Speaker 35511.46s - 5513.74s

There's two powder kegs and one fat share of between them.

Speaker 45513.86s - 5516.98s

Well, we just moved to another subchapter a whole different time three weeks later,

Speaker 35517.04s - 5518.98s

and there's still two powder kegs that we're dealing with here.

Speaker 45519.48s - 5521.06s

And there's no fat sheriff in between.

Speaker 35521.26s - 5521.66s

Exactly.

Speaker 45521.94s - 5522.9s

It's just the two of them.

Speaker 35522.92s - 5535.18s

Yep, exactly. So this is where Susan PERSON has had enough. She throws the rest of her orange in her aunt's face and pushes back from the table so hard she falls over backwards. I love throwing the orange. That's glorious.

Speaker 45535.86s - 5567.3s

Her aunt's shadow looms over her. Susan PERSON scrambles back and gets to her feet. Court calls her an ungrateful girl and says, after all, she and the mayor have done for her, that the nag she is about to go ride is a gift from the mayor. Susan PERSON screams at her aunt that the horse was theirs before. All of them were, and so was the land.Her aunt tells her to lower her voice. And that always, this always pisses me off. As someone who does have a temper, you don't get to push my buttons and piss me off. And then when I get mad, tell me to lower my voice.

Speaker 35567.46s - 5575.8s

Yeah. Like I just, on a note here, I fucking hate people who do this. It's like the one me, my saw where it's just like kind of bad advice.

Speaker 05575.94s - 5578.06s

It's like, yeah, you know, if your wife's mad about something,

Speaker 45578.14s - 5593.14s

just tell her to calm down. She'll realize the error of her waist. Right. Come on. It just, it just pisses me off. They get to push my buttons and piss me off.And then when I get mad, I'm the, I'm the asshole. Like, no.

Speaker 05593.86s - 5595.58s

It takes me off with that.

Speaker 55596.3s - 5600.14s

So Susan PERSON takes a deep breath that she's trying to get control of herself.

Speaker 05600.9s - 5608.64s

She's already better than me. She sweeps back her hair revealing the handprint on her cheek, which her aunt flinches at the side of it, which is interesting to think about.

Speaker 45609s - 5611.24s

Like, oh, I left a mark.

Speaker 35611.66s - 5611.88s

Yeah.

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Susan PERSON says that her father never would have allowed this. Her aunt rolls her eyes and says that Susan PERSON agreed to this all herself. And then she calls her, Miss, oh, so young and pretty. Again, that condescending little shit. Miss she grate your teeth, doesn't it?It does. It's like chewing on tinfoil. It's like Miss Carmine PERSON. Susan PERSON cuts her

Speaker 05635.92s - 5643.94s

often says that she did agree after her aunt done her day and night. I'm assuming that means bugged her day and night, harped on her. Yeah. You know,

Speaker 35644.24s - 5665.66s

then came to her in tears, which her aunt vehemently denies. Susan S says, how quickly you forget, and that by tonight she will have forgotten slapping me at breakfast. The whole time Susan PERSON has been using her V to refer to her aunt, these and thows and kind of things. Yeah. And Cordelia PERSON hates that because that's her way of talking. Yeah. Again, Susan PERSON, like you said because that's her way of talking. Yeah.

Speaker 45669.82s - 5670.12s

Again, Susan PERSON, like you said, slapping her aunt every time she says it and everything.

Speaker 05670.46s - 5670.86s

Oh, yeah.

Speaker 35673.84s - 5674.22s

One thing I did leave out of my notes here, but I'm just remembering now.

Speaker 05681.88s - 5682.52s

The thing that sets Susan off is that if we go back up, Cordelia PERSON says, how dare she use that word in her house?

Speaker 35682.76s - 5682.82s

Yeah.

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This is Cordelia PERSON's house. Whereas really, this is Susan PERSON and her dad's house. Yeah. This is Cordelia's house, whereas really this is Susan and her dad's house. Yeah. She had nowhere to go.

Speaker 35695.44s - 5702s

They brought her in from the cold and everything like that. Yeah. And now it's all of a sudden her house. Yeah. Even though Susan PERSON's the one making the deal to keep the house and everything like that. Yeah.

Speaker 45702.32s - 5702.6s

Yeah.

Speaker 35702.9s - 5717.72s

That's not a manipulative, narcissistic kind of person, you know? Yeah. Brockie says, I think Susan PERSON let herself be convinced her, her father would have wanted her to do this with the mayor. But deep down, she knows her father would have been ashamed of her.

Speaker 45718.56s - 5721.4s

There's actually a line about that coming up. Yeah.

Speaker 35721.44s - 5730.46s

Then he says, her use of the F word here revealed how she really felt about the arrangement deep down. And it was meant to hurt Cordelia PERSON. Yeah, then he says, her use of the F word here revealed how she really felt about the arrangement deep down, and it was meant to hurt Cordelia PERSON. Yeah, indeed, indeed. Because again,

Speaker 45730.76s - 5742.9s

it's, it's using that word in the most graphic way possible and about this situation. It's not just this, like, obscure, like, no, it's like when he fucks me, like that's, that's a whole, like,

Speaker 15742.9s - 5748.22s

that's putting a fucking point on it, like a, you know, like, what do they say? Putting too fine a point on it.

Speaker 45748.22s - 5752.06s

Well, that's a fucking knife point that she just put on that and stabbed Cordelia PERSON with it.

Speaker 15752.24s - 5752.6s

Exactly.

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And my note here is just nothing like turning something back on someone like Cordelia PERSON to get under their skin when you're fighting.

Speaker 15758.68s - 5759.06s

Oh, yeah.

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Just like Cordelia PERSON did to her telling her to calm down.

Speaker 35762.22s - 5776.36s

Susan comes right back in his, these and vows back at Cordelia PERSON. Yeah. So the idea of a gift being taken from the family and then given, or the idea of these gifts are things that belong to the family and then were taken and given back his gift. That's pretty shitty. It's not,

Speaker 45776.5s - 5783.56s

the worst part is some of these things like the horse. It's not even gifts. This is payment for him making her his gilly.

Speaker 35783.74s - 5784.02s

Yeah.

Speaker 45784.14s - 5794.68s

Like, oh, you can't pay the taxes here. Let's take your horse. Oh, what's that? You're going to be my whore. Sorry, Gilly PERSON, they're not whores. Yeah.Gilly PERSON, great, here's your horse back. It's a gift for me to you.

Speaker 05794.82s - 5796.02s

No, it's a payment.

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No, that was mine to begin with. That's what, that's what Susan PERSON is very upset about.

Speaker 35802.54s - 5816.08s

Yeah. And that's what she says, the land, the horses, all of this was ours before. Yeah. They took it from us. Yeah. And then my last note for this section.And the orange hornet cord's face, not nearly enough. A brick would have been more well what she deserved. We should have used under the dome.

Speaker 45816.58s - 5825.9s

Yeah. We have virtually nothing like about this woman. And the three or four times we've seen her so far in this story. In fact, the opposite, she is just, she's just fucking terrible. She's the worst.

Speaker 05825.9s - 5834.24s

And I feel like every single scene we're getting with her, she gets worse. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like, she's bad to start. And then it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And it's just like, oh, my God, man.

Speaker 45834.62s - 5840s

Like, this woman is driving to drinking. Oh, yeah. Like, you just want to ring something. Yeah.

Speaker 35841s - 5842.22s

Yeah, like a billy bumbler.

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No, you stop that.

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You stop that. You stop that.

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You can't throw a softball over the plate like that and expect me not to.

Speaker 35850.36s - 5851.88s

Hashtag Peter is terrible.

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Susan PERSON goes on with the these and thous,

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and then I got a quote here from the book,

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her rage was at the flood and would not be turned aside.

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So that just shows you how mad Susan PERSON is here.

Speaker 45865.34s - 5865.66s

Yeah.

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Susan says that Cord PERSON wept and said they would be turned out and sent west and never

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see their homestead or Hambry GPE again.

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The land would be given back along with the horses and that Susan PERSON would be a mother. This is what Cordelia is begging Susan PERSON to agree to this. This is what she was saying to her. Yeah. All of these would be Susan PERSON's and for what cost to sleep with him while his wife of 40 years is just down the hall. Her aunt says if it's money she wants, then sheshall have it. Aunt court turns to her purse and starts to fumble with it. But her emotions quickly lose speed and conviction. There's a mirror hung where Susan PERSON can see her aunt's face and what she saw was a mixture of hatred, dismay, and greed. All of that made Susan PERSON's heart sink. She tells her aunt that she doesn't want the money, since it pains her cordially so much to let it go.

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She doesn't want whores money.

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Her aunt whips around and says, isn't whore money? That some of the greatest women in history were Gillies PERSON, and some of the greatest men were born of Gillies. Susan PERSON rips one of the silk blouses off the hangar and holds it up and says, then why does he send me these horror clothes? She throws it at her aunt and just like the orange, she throws it out of her just like the orange,and says to put it on herself and spread her legs for him if she fancies. Susan PERSON then turned and hurled herself out the door. Her aunt yells after her not to go thinking foolish thoughts. Fulish thoughts lead to foolish deeds. And it's too late for that. Susan PERSON knew it wastoo late no matter how fast she rode her horse pylon along the job. She couldn't outrace her knowing. Knowing that she agreed and then no matter how, this is the line that I was talking about responding to David PERSON's thing in the chat about how her dad would feel.Knowing that she agreed and then no matter how horrified her dad would have been at her situation, he would see one thing. She had made a promise and promises must be kept. Hell away to those who would not do so. Yeah.

Speaker 35982.02s - 5985.94s

So we know that that's what I was talking about, David PERSON, is that there's a line there where

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it's like perfectly clear where her dad would stand. He would be horrified that his daughter's in this situation of becoming the mayor's gilly. But she promised she has to keep her word because to them, you go to hell if you break those promises. Yeah.That's like the lowest form for them.

Speaker 36004.56s - 6008.26s

Yeah. And go ahead. No, no. It's, yeah lowest form for them. Yeah. And go ahead. No, no.

Speaker 46008.42s - 6010.54s

It's, yeah, I think it was Baraki PERSON that what you were.

Speaker 36010.54s - 6011.18s

Oh, it was Baraki PERSON.

Speaker 46011.24s - 6011.54s

I'm sorry.

Speaker 36011.7s - 6019.32s

Yeah. I was saying David, but it was Baraki PERSON. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot.Yeah.

Speaker 46019.46s - 6029.6s

I just remember being blown away the first time I was reading this. I was so young, high school. I hadn't done much stunning of our own history. This all seems so foreign to me to have a

Speaker 06029.6s - 6045.9s

girl sell herself. Yeah. Like, I've heard of royal marriages. You know, the king of Spain has his daughter, Mary, the king of France GPE's son, and they form a union. Their country's become stronger together, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. But the idea of just like...

Speaker 46045.9s - 6046.88s

What is the word dowry?

Speaker 36047.14s - 6055.24s

Yeah, I expect a dowry. There's a story growing up religious. There was a famous story where it's a dad selling his daughter.

Speaker 46055.96s - 6082.86s

But the dad's doing the selling. I want 10 cows is what he says to the suitor. Souter's like, okay, 10 cows it is. And then the dad comes back later seeing the daughter transform under the husband's loving care because the dad was abusive and a piece of shit. That the son, he comes back to the son in law now and he's like, I should have got50 cows from you. But, you know, it's just like, I've never really like heard of a culture where a woman's like, yeah, buy me. Yeah.

Speaker 36083.3s - 6091.86s

You know, how much? Property, unfortunately. Yeah, it's just terrible. I just remember, yeah, buy me. Yeah. You know, how much? Property, unfortunately. Yeah, it's just terrible. I just remember, like, that's maybe 16 or 17 the first time I read this.

Speaker 46092.72s - 6111.8s

Naive little Peter PERSON growing up in a religious home and everything, reading this and everything, just being like blown away that a girl, you know, my older sister was about Susan's age at this time. Yeah. And just being like, oh my gosh, this is terrible. Yeah.This was worse than Ludd GPE for me at the time.

Speaker 36111.94s - 6112.26s

Yeah.

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Like everything that happened in Ludd GPE was terrible. This was somehow worse for me. Yeah. Just with how old I was and not having much world experience and everything. It was such an eye opener for me to see, like, how this world is. Yeah.And it's just like, yeah, it's natural. It's done. Gillies are a natural thing that happen all the time. Yeah, Roland is from the line, a gilly line of Arthur Lelt PERSON.

Speaker 36138.72s - 6139.08s

Exactly.

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So, unfortunately, once again, we have to say cord is not wrong in that element of, you know.

Speaker 36145.76s - 6149.1s

No, but again, Gillies PERSON don't mean dishonor necessarily.

Speaker 56149.56s - 6155.24s

Like, again, like right now, the only thing in this world that connects to Arthur Eld is Roland PERSON's lineage.

Speaker 46155.56s - 6156.9s

And Rollins lineage is from Achilles PERSON.

Speaker 56157.4s - 6162.68s

And from like the highest in the land, Arthur Eld PERSON himself, you know?

Speaker 46162.82s - 6168.02s

Yeah, there is no like trueborn, like legitimate like line of Arthur Lel PERSON that still exists.

Speaker 56168.14s - 6170.82s

No, this is all that's left is one that is from a gillies.

Speaker 36170.86s - 6171.68s

From gillies, yeah.

Speaker 46172.34s - 6176.42s

So the idea of them losing everything because Pat PERSON died speaks about the society a bit.

Speaker 36176.74s - 6200.02s

I'm sure there may have been some tax, some of it may have been taxes, but with this mention of them losing everything and being allowed to continue mostly on as two unwed women. So the mayor probably robbed them beyond taxes because the man of the house was dead. Also makes you wonder how much of that holding them up, you know, basically holding them up like highway robbery was about putting them in a situation where marrying Susan PERSON to him was their only option. Yeah.

Speaker 46200.22s - 6210.84s

Was that all part, was it all manipulation to get his hands on her? Oh, absolutely. And there's a scene that's already happened where Susan PERSON remembers the mayor looking at her when she was too young. Yeah.

Speaker 36211.1s - 6215.98s

Well, I mean, she still is. She still is. She's like 16, I think, is what it is?

Speaker 46216.18s - 6218.22s

In our culture, she's too young.

Speaker 36218.3s - 6225.08s

Yeah. So, you know. So, yeah, it's, I don't know, it just, it adds a layer of disgustingness to this that's already a disgusting situation. And then the creep factor also, because I didn't, I don't know, it just, it adds a layer of disgustingness to this.

Speaker 46226.96s - 6240s

It's already a disgusting situation. And then the creep factor also, because I didn't, I wasn't here for it, but the creep factor were you like after the party, I still remember that, even though I haven't read it for a while, where you like, what is he, like, pounce on her in the hallway or something like that?

Speaker 36241.28s - 6245.84s

I think, no, I think he, I think he approaches her, but yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 46245.92s - 6248.46s

I think, yeah. She gets saved by someone, I think.

Speaker 36248.64s - 6254.4s

Yeah. But he pounces on her and, like, is like groping her and stuff like that. I think you're thinking of something else. Am I? Yeah. Oh.

Speaker 46254.62s - 6254.88s

Yeah.

Speaker 36256.34s - 6257.86s

Um, what else do you got here?

Speaker 46258.32s - 6271.32s

Oh, I love the, uh, I get caught digging for money and slowing down because Susan PERSON's seeing the greet on her face. Just so cinematic. She's like, fine, you want money? I can't give it up. I can't. It's mine.

Speaker 06271.62s - 6274.14s

You know, that internal struggle for Kord PERSON. Yeah.

Speaker 46274.22s - 6278.72s

Just goes to show you just like how fucking disgusting she is as a human being.

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You said it earlier a couple notes ago about just like it's all about the money with her.

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Yeah. Like she can't even like throw one gold coin in her niece here to make a point.

Speaker 36287.78s - 6288.08s

Yeah.

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She couldn't even do that.

Speaker 36289.42s - 6302.48s

Yeah. Yeah. And then my last note for this, the usage of her father to manipulate her is so fucking gross. I think it happened once before, but it's just nasty to think about.Yeah. It's just, you know, like, oh, yeah.

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Just throwing like, you know, oh, your father would disapprove of you like going back. It's just, that's like, I mean, yeah. Just throwing like, you know, oh, your father would would disapprove of you, like going back.

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It's just that's like, I mean, manipulation. There's a lot of manipulation involved here. But that, like, again, you've already mentioned it too. Like, this should be a family member. That should be someone that, like, loves and protects them.

Speaker 46316.8s - 6325.88s

Yeah, exactly. And it's, we did not rehearse that. And she's ultimately not. She's ultimately manipulating her. Yeah. Towards this.And it's for her gain. Yeah.

Speaker 36325.88s - 6327.84s

It's not like Susan PERSON's getting all of the money.

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No.

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And court is.

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Yeah.

Speaker 36330.28s - 6335.2s

I mean, Susan PERSON will end up being in the mayor. There's probably plenty of wealth of circumstance.

Speaker 46335.4s - 6344.18s

It goes with that. But ultimately, the payout money is all going to be Cordelia PERSON. Yeah. And Cordelia PERSON is saying that it's her house and the land will be hers and everything like that.

Speaker 36344.24s - 6347.56s

Yeah. It just kind of shows you Susan PERSON's just a means to an end.

Speaker 46347.88s - 6349.26s

Yeah, which is terrible.

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Oh.

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So we got one more subchapter.

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We're running lower on time than I thought we might.

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But let's go ahead and jump into subchapter three.

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So Susanna or Susan, Susanna, Susan looked back and saw that she had rid nearly a mile and slowed down.

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She let out of her breath for the first time and noticed the day's beauty. Goals circling the hazy air off the west, high grass all around, flowers in every shade and every shaded cranny. Her emotions subsided a bit and she spoke the name Will Dearborn PERSON and shivered at the speaking of his name, even though there was no one to hear her but pylon. She then kisses her wrist where the blood beat the closest to the surface.It was a surprise to her because she didn't expect to do it. She then spat. Will had been responsible for all too much upset in her life these last three weeks. Him and his unsettling blue eyes and his judgmental attitude. She had thought back to his words at the welcome dinner and her blood sang with anger and shame. How dare he presume to judge her? One who grew up in luxury with servants to attend to his every whim. So much gold that he likely didn't even need it because they would be given things, all the things he needed. How would a boy like that know about the hard choices she had to make? Or how could he understand that she didn't make those decisions at all, but had been carried to them like a kitten by the scruff of the neck? But still he would not leave her mind.In fact, she had been, he had been the unseen third in the fight with Cordelia PERSON this morning. And she knew another thing that would upset at Cordono and Will Dareborn PERSON had not forgotten her either.

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So, that is actually it for the subchapter.

Speaker 56439.58s - 6440.72s

Do you have some notes to talk about.

Speaker 36440.9s - 6449.26s

But yeah, that's, I don't know. So it does at least show uh not only is she still thinking to him but i do i'm actually glad there's still some anger there you know because

Speaker 46449.26s - 6463.5s

ultimately again she there's nothing that she just outlined there that she's not right about he has no fucking clue about any of this no like you know especially where he's come from it's the same thing for like us we don't know anything about like third world countries to go there and

Speaker 56463.5s - 6505.86s

judge them for what they're how they're surviving and stuff like that it would be the same thing here yeah he doesn't know what she's going through what what her life would be if she didn't make this decision he has no idea yeah he's just got that high society look down his nose at her kind of thing yeah mentality yeah um and then david said uh this is why i can't stand her a lot much more than i can't stand the witch. At least Ria owns it. Yeah. So yeah, that's, and that's true. Like, there is an element to that where I've kind of wondered if we were actually to go through and debate Cordelia PERSON versus Ria. I know that was 20, I know that was 2019 that we had that vote. But I do kind of wonder if Cordelia, if you really thought about it, I think Cordelia could win that vote.

Speaker 06506.16s - 6506.68s

I really do.

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If you sat down and we had like a kind of like a closing argument kind of thing like we have on the other show where you take Cordelia and I take Ria PERSON, I'd be confident that I'd put up a good fight, but I don't know if I'd win.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Like a lot of people hate Ria PERSON because of, you know, what she does later.

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I know we're not talking spoilers and stuff like that.

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Even the inspections, pretty bad.

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Even the inspection's pretty bad.

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But Cordelia right here in just a few, like you said, I wasn't here for those other ones.

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But even just a few times that we've seen her, none of them have been good.

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No.

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Nothing good.

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It seems like she gets worse every time she shows up.

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And then David said Frank reads this part and some of Susan's part so well for a dude who's not a 16-year-old girl.

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Oh, yeah.

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All hail Frank Mueller PERSON. Oh, yeah. He's God PERSON. He's, yeah. He was, you know, the best. He was the best.But absolute wonderful narrator. And he does so great at voicing. So good. Like these different characters of different worlds, different accents, and they all just seem so distinct.

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There's never a time where you're like, well, I don't know. Sometimes you get, I mean, I haven't even think you get it that much nowadays, but back in the old days and audiobooks were far more niche, like niche things, like you would just get people that are very dry and monotile, like whatever, but nowadays, like, they do a really good job with them.

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And there's never a time where you're like, well, I don't know what's going on here. I'm kind of getting confused. Like, no, they got world-class people doing this stuff. They've gotten to the point where it's not just someone who can read for 13 hours at a time. They got performers. Yeah.

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Like, you look at it, Will Patton PERSON's an actor. Yeah. You know, Stephen Weber PERSON's an actor. What's funny is a lot of these. Those are two of my favorites. Yeah, a few. There's a lot of these. Outside of Dark Tower, of course actor. What's funny is a lot of these... Those are two of my favorites. Yeah, a few...There's a lot of these.

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Outside of Dark Tower WORK_OF_ART, of course.

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As I've looked into a lot of these narrators,

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as I've... Because I'll read, listen to a book, and I'll just go look them up just for the fuck of it. It's crazy how many of them actually are or were actors previous to being there. Yeah.So it's true. You put on these performances, and they're phenomenal because they're not only doing it as one character, which is a typical actor's job, is to play one character.

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They're playing the entire book. Yeah. It's like those things you see with, like, the Simpsons cast where they're like on like a Conan O'Brien PERSON show or something.

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And he just flips through like multiple voices. And it's just watching it. It's like, alien. It's like, that shouldn't be real.

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You see like their mouth changed just a little bit about but that it's a completely different voice coming out.

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It's unreal.

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Yeah. Let's see. And then David PERSON said he's narrating the clearing at the end of the path now, indeed. I honestly, I forgot. I'm sorry. No, it's, I mean, it's, yeah, he's still with us through these, through these performances.

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He will live up forever.

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And in my note here's, my notes here, so her anger over Roland's words have not really died down in the three weeks. Yeah. Which good. I'm actually, again, as a reader, I'm glad because those were pretty nasty things for him to say.

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So if she had just gotten over it, like that would have been a little bit like, ah. Oh, come on. I don't know, man. That doesn't seem like she should have gotten over that. But also at the same time, hearing the sound of his name on her lips, makes her shiver and then kiss her lips and everything like that.But then right after that, we see it swing back to anger. She swears and spitzing, remembering what he said to her at the dance, like cursing his name. She's like, Will it airport? Fuck you! Yeah. She swings

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so fast. There's a duality. Which is a teenage girl.

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I mean, let's be honest. I mean, that's not just, let's be honest. That's every teenager, not just girls. Men do the same thing.

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That's what you're in for here pretty soon, sir. Dude, don't say that. Oh, don't you say that. And then David said, Will Patton PERSON is great. But only if you're wearing headphones, that dude does not raise his voice. And that's true. Can he raise his voice? I wonder if that's even a thing. If it's possible.Yeah. Even as I'm like flashing through some of the movies I've seen him in, I don't think I've ever heard him with like an elevated voice.

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He's a calm dude. All right.

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He plays a chill guy. Yeah. You got two more notes. Yeah. My notes here. So it's so easy to see Rollins PERSON perspective.It's so easy to see Rollins PERSON perspective for me.'s so easy to see Rollins' perspective for me. But then you get to this part, and it makes you really feel for Susan PERSON a lot more and the predicament that she's been put in.

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At least for me, like, right?

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When I'm reading this, I'm not far from Roland PERSON's age. I'm a boy.

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So it would have been easier for me to put myself in his place. But King PERSON does a great job here to where it kind of like, you know, grabs the hook and pulls you in the other direction where it's like, hey, pulls the, the blinders you have on

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and makes you open up to see Susan PERSON's full scenario here, the situation that she's in with her Aunt Cord PERSON. Yeah. Basically, like, your next note, read your next note. Yeah, also Aunt Cord PERSON is fucking terrible, as you can infer that she is the adult cat that is taking Kitten Susan PERSON by the scruff.

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Like that's just terrible that an adult and we've seen this in real life.

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Yeah. Where an adult influences a child into being horrible. Yeah. Like it's horrible. I mean, we've seen this all throughout history where people take children and brainwash them effectively. Yeah. And everything.And there's monsters like that. Aunt Cord's one of them. Yeah. You can. And there's monsters like that. Aunt Cord's one of them.

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Yeah.

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You can see her manipulating a child for her personal gain. Yeah. And this is her niece. This is someone, this is family. This is blood. Yeah.I could never imagine this doing this. And I have three nieces just on my side of the family, not counting the entire huge family that's my wife's side of the family. I couldn't imagine that doing that to any of them. Yeah.

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Convincing them at 16 to become someone's gilly? Like, oh my God.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's, that's wild.

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Mind boggling, right?

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Yeah.

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But that is it for this episode that wraps us on the discussion.

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There is no spoiler section, like I mentioned. This stuff's all very self-contained. There's not a whole lot to talk about, you know, and I'm not going to say that's going to continue through all the flashbacks. There will be times I'm thinking we're going to get spoilers discussions. But there hasn't been anything here recent.It kind of reminds me like the Blaine the Mono WORK_OF_ART section.

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I don't think we had any spoiler sections there either because it's like what we're reading is so fucking self-contained and good. There's really not a whole lot else to connect to the rest of the series in the same way that some other stuff is. So let's go ahead and hit the outro stuff real quick.

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If you want to find us on any of the podcasting service to your choice, you can do that and subscribe, rate, and review us on any of those services. You can join us for the live streams here on YouTube.com slash dark tower palaver. On the YouTube ORG side, if you could like,subscribe and ring the bell for notifications, we'd appreciate that. It'll save us from having Ria show up in our rooms at night. Sure.

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That's the thing is I'm not scared of Ria PERSON in like a physical sense. Like I could drop kick her

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and she'd die. But if you're laying in bed, she can get the jump on you. Plus,

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Irmont might be around. Or musty. The fucking was a six-legged cat.

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Six-legged and split-tailed cat.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, if you can do that, we'd appreciate that.

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I actually didn't check over this episode because there's usually almost nothing for these.

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It looks like the, uh, let's see, is this, uh, man, already getting some, uh, spam in this one, too. No. I don't know how they find it. It's just, but no, I think it looks like the mailbag is still empty.

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So if you have an email, this is a perfect time to send it. We'll be back again in two weeks. So we're still technically going to be off schedule until mid next month where we get caught up. But two weeks from now, we'll be back for Roundtable WORK_OF_ART.

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We'll catch up on all the fun stuff that's been happening in the Stephen King world. and then we still got some time for mr flanagan to go ahead and drop some news drop us some dark tower news for god's sake but yeah until then we'll sign off as we always do by saying long days and pleasant nights long days and pleasant nights folks