E53. Gambling Myths

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Hey guys. This week we are talking about gambling myths, a winning powerball player, and a new segment, the CVBW PRODUCT, which I don't even know what it is. So stick around. This episode is sponsored by Travelzork Travel. Learn more at TravelZorkTravel.com ORG.

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Welcome to the Crap Vegas ORG podcast.

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Vegas, here we come. Vegas. Here are your hosts, Chris and Josh PERSON.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode number 53 of the Crap Vegas podcast. I am Chris. He is Josh PERSON.

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Josh PERSON, what's going on out there? Well, we are tired and way up from our

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gambling adventures. Oh, that's right. This comes out while we're in Vegas GPE, doesn't it? We are dropping.

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If you're a KCS level patron, you will hear us as our trip begins. And if you're just a regular

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listener, you'll hear us as our trip is coming to an end. We had fun meeting all of you, all the listeners

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and patrons who were there,

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Jack, Sean, James, Joseph PERSON,

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Mary, Joyce PERSON. You're just, you're lying and lying some more. I will say for the first time and forever, if you are hearing this on Sunday morning when it first comes out for the general public, I'm still there.

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And I'm rarely there after Sunday morning. So I'm actually not leaving Sunday morning. So I'm actually not leaving until tomorrow. So you got plenty of time to come see Josh PERSON and I and say hi. Yes, there is still a chance. If you're listening to this in real time, well, I don't know if

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real time counts for a podcast. If somebody has some sort of back-in link to see us as we're recording, that would be interesting. But I don't think that's the case. Okay, so fair enough. Yeah, it's going to be an awesome trip. I can't wait to get out there,

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Josh, and hopefully we'll get to meet some you before we leave. And Chris PERSON, there is something you don't know yet, and it won't have happened by the time this drops, but our friendly neighborhood Star Trek celebrity guest, one of People Magazine's ORG most beautiful people in 1997 probably won't have joined us at Venetian ORG, unfortunately, but still might be joining

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me at Fountain Blue FAC. Well, that's understandable. He wants to see you and doesn't want to see me.

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So I get it. He's actually flying into Vegas and flying out the next day and is offering to try and squeeze in a little session if it works out. Well, that is really cool of him, very nice of him.

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I'm sure you'll have a great time. And Josh PERSON, this makes me think there's a podcast I listen to all the time that I love. And the only reason I bring it up is because they record their episodes literally two to three months before they happen. So it's a long running gag on that show that anytime they're asking them what they

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have to plug that's coming up or anything like that, they're like, oh, yeah, because this obviously releases when? And it will be like December and it releases in April. Thank God we don't record that part in the future.

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We're bad enough just with three or four days in advance.

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I know.

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That throws us off. So that's all I can think of. But anyways, let's tell people how to get a hold of us. You can reach us via email.

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That's podcast at crap Vegas.com. You can reach us on our Facebook That's podcast at crapvigas.com. You can reach us on our Facebook page. That's crapvagus.com slash Facebook ORG. You can leave us a voicemail, crapvigas.com ORG slash voicemail. Or the easiest way is going to be on Twitter ORG.X. He's at Vegas Duffy ORG. I'm at Small Whale 13 or the show page is at Crap Vegas ORG.

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I was just a little slow there. I forgot it was coming. I was just enraptured by your voice.

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This is only the 50th time we've done it.

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I haven't said X the whole time.

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I don't think it was X when we started.

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No, that's true.

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I mean, what is it that you have to do something for 10,000 hours before you're a master? Is that what it is?

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Oh, I don't know.

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Is that the state? Okay. Well, anyways, never mind Is that what it is? Oh, I don't know. Is that the st— Oh, okay.

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Well, anyways, never mind. All I know is you only make a first impression once. I would hope so.

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Isn't that a thing? I think that is, yeah. Previous episode Feedback Time WORK_OF_ART. Josh, we got a message on Patreon from listener Seth PERSON. He was talking about our discussion last week about having too much resort credit where you couldn't use it all.He says the food beverage question with an MGM ORG resort is easy. You can charge any MGM ORG property to your room. So go to Prime at Bellagio and John George at Aria. And then you'll run through the credit pretty easy. And it's one of the biggest advantages for him, he says, to MGM ORG. And I'll add on, I don't remember who said it, but another listener pointed out that whatthey do with all their extra resort credit is like buy a nice bottle of wine weather there.

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I think that might have been Maryland GPE.

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And I think that's either of those are absolutely right, whether it's Seth or Maryland GPE. There are lots of ways to use that F&B credit. I think for at least me and I think for Chris PERSON too, sometimes it's hard because neither of us want to take home a big fancy bottle of wine and we just aren't usually in the mood to want to go to prime or something like that. So some of it just gets quote unquote wasted on us.

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But I agree. I mean, sure, I could buy, you know, a bottle of liquor and stick it in the room while I'm there, but I'm not going to drink it. Right. I can't tell you how many times, Josh PERSON, I've had hosts leave bottles of liquor for me. They used to do it at Cosmo ORG every trip.

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And maybe on a good weekend, I drink like four or five ounces out of a bottle. Right. I mean, what is the point? They end up pouring it out. I can't take it home with me on the plane. So what am I going to do with it?So it's just, yeah, it's frustrating. Okay, moving on to the next listener feedback we got. We got an email from Barry PERSON regarding our discussion of vibes in casinos. He said, Chris and Josh PERSON, you guys nailed it on the discussion of vibes last episode. I consistently find myself playing at certain properties locally and in Vegas GPE. That may not be the best for my level of play, but the vibes make me feel so at home.I know you mentioned Cosmo ORG being a place you love the vibes at. I used to be the same way, but feel like I'm too old for there now. Do you think there is an age limit for playing there? Love the show and can't wait to meet you all in Vegas, Barry and Missouri GPE.

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That's a good question, Barry PERSON. Obviously, there's not an age limit, but is there a time that you feel a little aged out? Sure. I think Cosmo ORG is one of those places that caters to a younger vibe. When I don't feel aged out, but sometimes I feel dressed out.

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Yeah, well, hell, when I feel too young most of the time. I don't feel too old.

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But you are right. Yeah, we can get outclass dress-wise and just flaunting money-wise.

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Yeah, Cosmo, I don't know, Josh. It targets people 21 to 30. That seems to be their demo. They're really seeking out. Very attractive people

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that are young and have their family's money. I think that's probably the key demographic is what they target. Trust fund kids. Right. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Is there an age limit? No. Hey, look, if you enjoy playing there, then go. I don't care if you fit in, don't fit in, whatever it is. Right. Go. Enjoy it. It's Vegas. You're never going to see any of these people again, so it doesn't matter. Just have a good time. And that's one of the things I was thinking, Barry PERSON, just as we were talking this through, I think the whole vibe thing is the neat thing about Vegas is there is a vibe, I hope, for just about everybody. And it may be that Cosmo ORG's vibeis too young for you and Wynn ORG's vibe is too expensive for us or whatever it is. But hopefully there's a vibe that's just perfect for you, whether it's Park MGM or Circa ORG or Golden Gate or Wynn or Cosmo ORG.

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Yeah, absolutely. So thank you for the email, Barry PERSON. We appreciate it. Next, we got an email from Amber PERSON. Amber said last episode, you talked about Crapless PRODUCT being more successful for you than traditional. Has been the same way for me for a long time.I know the game overall isn't as good, but a good crapless game is so much more fun in my eyes, and I find it I'm far more successful at it. I typically play the 2, 3, 11, and 12, and the 6A, and skip the rest. A lot of variants, but those hits on the extremes are so nice.Thanks for the show and appreciate all you guys do, Amber PERSON.

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Yeah, Amber PERSON, your email is making me want to play crapples right now. Just stop the podcast, run downstairs and hit a Crapples table.

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You have a casino in the lobby of your office? Remember, we're in Vegas GPE right now. Oh, gotcha. I don't do really well, Josh PERSON, with this time jumping thing that we try to accomplish.

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We've been trying this for 50 episodes and I'm still not good at it. And I love your betting style, Amber PERSON. The 2-311-12 with the 6-8 is a great way to play crapples. I mean, you're going to get a little less variance on the 6-8, obviously, which are greatbest for place betting and then the extremes as we've talked about are perfect. I think I would do that and I'd try and squeeze in the 4-10, but I like a little more action and the little teeny bit less variance. But that's a great way to play crappless.

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Oh, I agree. And she is right, Josh PERSON. When a crappless game is going, if it's hitting, it's far more fun than a traditional table.

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I much preferred at that point.

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But I also know if every role is inside numbers and we're not getting many of the extremes,

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even a good role is not going to be that good financially for me.

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If you don't hit those extreme numbers, you're going to get hurt long term.

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And as we've talked about, we won't go into Crapples FAC too much.

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But the way Chris PERSON and I play, where we've essentially got every number covered, those extremes have to hit or we're not going to make money on Crapless PRODUCT.

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Oh, yeah, because even if you're putting 50 on them, I mean, 200 bucks, you got to hit one of them to come close to breaking even on it.

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So yeah, it's necessary for sure.

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So thank you all for the feedback this week. We appreciate it. And Josh PERSON, let's keep it moving. Gambling myths. It's something that pops up for almost every gambler at some point or another. Something pops in their head that they've heard to be true even though it's not or something they just believe.Josh PERSON, let's run through a handful of these gambling myths that we've heard, some that we got from our listeners. I know you got a list.

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Yep, I have a list. And I'm curious to see how many of these you and I both succumb to and actually buy into, even though we know they're a myth. That's the thing. Before you read the list, Chris PERSON, is a myth, fact, fiction,

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somewhere in the middle? I mean, I think they're mostly fiction, Josh PERSON. But in our own minds, we convoluted them to be fact.

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Some of the myths that I wrote down are ones that I actually believe,

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even though I know that they're not real.

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So that would be interesting to see.

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Okay, let's start at the top, Josh PERSON.

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I made a list of some that I thought we could run through.

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I also have a bunch from listeners.

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Then we'll get to yours.

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Is that work?

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Work for me. Okay.

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So I started off betting systems. So whether we're talking about the martingale system on a roulette or a blackjack table or a bunch of crap strategies like Iron Cross ORG or squeeze play. There's a YouTube video of all these things saying, this is the best betting system for crap.

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Can't lose. All of those things in my eyes, Josh PERSON, they're all myths because there is absolutely no way we can play any of these casino games and have a mathematical advantage. And I don't care how you bet. Things like the Martingale ORG are dumber than some of the other ones for obvious reasons.

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But the thought that a betting system can help you overcome a house edge, that's a big myth in my

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eyes. Yes, I totally agree. So what do you think, Chris PERSON, as a betting system, how would you, if you were to market a betting system, that's not the right word I mean, but talk to someone about the benefits of a betting system. How would you describe it? It's not giving you an advantage.

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No, I think the whole point of a betting system is really to help with bankroll management. Right.

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I think that's really what it is.

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They're trying to say, especially when you're talking about like the Iron Cross ORG on a craps table,

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they're saying if you play this way, you'll be able to play four longer at that table. Right. You're still going to lose all your money if you sit there forever,

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but you'll drain it slower on an Iron Cross ORG method sort of play. That being said, the odds of coming out a big winner playing the Iron Cross ORG is very small. So all you're doing is trading off the high side

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for not as much low side. And if you look at something like the Martingale ORG, same way in a way, you will win on the Martingale ORG until you don't. And assuming you don't hit the table limits, which is the death knell of the martingale, when you hit that, when you hit the end of your butt, the end of your bankroll, or you hit the table limit. But chances are, if you're,if you're doing a 50-50 coin flip, the coin is not going to come up heads 50 times

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at a row or 25 times in a row. So you'll be successful in the short term. And I think that's actually the big problem with these systems, Josh PERSON, is somebody tries them and they work relatively well for a couple sections here and there. I mean, yes, you're right. If, if you're playing

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roulette and you're using a martingale system and you put $10 on red and then you put $20 on red and then you put $40 and you do that whole thing, if you're doing that, yeah, probably by the seventh or eighth hit, you probably will win one and get back to restart it and everything's good. Not a big deal. But there are going to be times that it goes 15, 20 rolls. They. They're all independent. So there's, you have just as much chance of having that black come up

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again over and over again. So yes, it will work many times, but the time that it doesn't is going to be disastrous. Yep. Let's move on to the next one. You hear this a lot, Josh PERSON, that certain casino games or certain casinos in general that the games are rigged. In what world would that ever be the case? The Old West. I guess, maybe.

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You know, in the novels on Audible PRODUCT, you hear about race.

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I have some ones that, you know, you go to an old western town and Reno GPE has rigged games and things like that.

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I mean, the house has already a built-in advantage, as we said, in all of these games, the games aren't rigged. Sure, there are some slot machines that offer higher or lower house edges. There's different table games that offer higher or lower house edges. But those games are not, quote-unquote, rigged. There's not some particular built-in hidden advantage that you don't know about.

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No, they don't cheat because they don't have to cheat. Right. The only thing that a casino cares about is that you play. And the longer you play, the better for them, because the longer you play, the more you're going to come close to that actual house edge that exist. In a short term, anybody can win at any game. But long term, if you keep playing, the house will win at that point.So no, they have no desire to rig the games because they don't need to rig the games. The third one, Josh PERSON, I have. Card counting is illegal. How many times have you heard that in your life? Oh, everywhere.

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I think most lay people think that.

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Yeah, I agree with you.

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I don't know where that started and why people believe that.

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But no, car counting is not illegal. You can do it all you want. Does that mean that the casino has to allow you to do it?

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It's like prostitution in Nevada GPE.

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Yeah, exactly. We should

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have included that on the mess, Josh PERSON.

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Actually, we still could. I have a list. We still good.

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We could, yeah. But no, they

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it's perfectly fine. You can do it anywhere

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you want to. Can they back you off until you

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can't play there? Absolutely. That's their

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prerogative. Right. But you're never going to end up

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in jail as a result. And then you've got

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certain places like Atlantic City GPE that have codified that it is perfectly acceptable. Now, they will flat bet you. They'll take alternative measures to make sure you don't get an advantage over them. But yes,

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if you want to count cards, go crazy. The worst thing they can do is back you off. They may give you a hard time trying to cash out your chips. But at the end of the day, you're going to get your money and everything will be fine.

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Yep. And just real quick for anybody who doesn't know, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong, flat betting just means they'll limit you to one bet, whether it's a $100 bet that you're betting consistently or $500 or whatever. You can't. I mean, part of the advantage of card counting in Blackjack is you spread your bet. You go way up when it's to your advantage.So then won't let you do that, right?

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Yeah. That's very common in Atlantic City GPE if they notice somebody is counting. They'll flap at him. So whatever you bet on the first hand of a new shoe, that's what you must bet the rest of the shoe. I mean, that's just what they do.It's one way to fix the problem. Moving on, Josh PERSON, this one I think is by far the biggest one that we will have the

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whole time. Gambling isn't addictive. It's not, is it? No, it can't be. Why would we be doing a podcast? As our friend, Norm McDonald said, gambling may be an addictive. It's not, is it? No, it can't be. Why would we be doing a podcast? I mean, as our, as our friend, Norm McDonald said, gambling may be an addiction, but it's the only one where

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you can win money. That's right. No, of course gambling is addictive. Josh PERSON, I'm just as addicted as

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anybody else to chase the feeling of being a big winner at a casino. I love getting out there.

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I like to think that I can, you know, just stop playing tomorrow. It's not a big deal for me. And there's plenty of times that I'll go a couple months and not even think about it. But at the end of the day, it's something I always want to come back to. I just have chosen that gambling is not nearly as bad as having an alcohol addiction or a drug addiction or anything like that, in my eyes at least. Although for some people, it could be far worse. So, I mean, it just comes down to the individual person. but to think the gambling isn't addictive, that is a massive myth. Well, and I kind of go back

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to what our friend Taylor Swift PERSON said, her new album, which is that she's a functioning alcoholic or something like that. And that's how I think of us as functioning gambling addicts.

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Okay, perfect. I like that. The next one, I know we had a lot of listeners send this in, but I'd already put it on my list. So you know what? I came first. And it says, I know we had a lot of listeners send this in, but I'd already put it on my list. So you know what? I came first. And it says, I'm due for a win. I mean, the thought that people can be due for a win,I don't care what you're talking about.

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I believe that. By the way. Slots, I know Josh PERSON does. He always says, we're due. Or if the feature bet hasn't hit in a long time. It's due.

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Hey, these are independent events that are consistently happening. One does not affect the thing that happens next. Every roll at a craps table is independent of the one before it. No, you're not due for a win.

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You could go your whole life and never win. You could win tomorrow and then win the next day, but you're never due.

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Going back to our martingale PRODUCT example on roulette, just because it's come up black 15 times in a row doesn't mean on that next spin that red is any more due than it was the spin before.

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Yep, 100%. And I think it ties in well to the next one I had on my list, Josh PERSON,

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tables and machines being hot or cold. Yeah, we have a lot of listeners and we've had some guests that believe in cold tables and hot tables. And I guess I do to a certain extent. But sometimes you'll go up. Our friend Rick PERSON, I'll use our dealer,our dealer friend Rick at Wynn ORG. I'll walk by his table and he'll say, don't play here. This table's been ice cold. And most of the time I ignore him and go play and then lose all my money anyway.

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So he was right.

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He was a cold day. But there's not really such a thing.

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It kind of goes back to each roll of the dice, each spin of the wheel is an independent thing. So there isn't a hot table or a cold table. In theory. No, I agree with you 100%.

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You know, Josh PERSON, I'll even take it further than that. When I was a blackjack player,

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a lot of people, when you walk up to a table, it'd be like, oh, this table's so cold.

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But what does that mean at a blackjack table? It usually you walk up to a table, it'd be like, oh, this table's so cold. But what does that mean at a blackjack table? It usually means when somebody says a table's cold,

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there's been a lot of small cards that have been coming out, causing the dealer to make a hand. So they're not busting, and people are saying, oh, it's cold, they're making hands.

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What that really means is we need to see the rest of the shoe because it's going to get much better. In that case, that table is starting to warm up from that perspective. Yep.

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But if you're talking to craps table, it's not the same thing, though.

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If you've had a lot of sevens, that means seven is not due.

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Oh, yeah, it's just like your blackjack example, right?

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No, there's no hot or cold tables when it comes to that sort of thing, especially if we're talking about craps. I disregard all of that stuff. I usually just have some sort of comment back like, well, good, it's time to change it up, you know, or time to change the luck or whatever it is.But no, I don't believe in hotter cold tables. I don't care what's happened before. It's just like with slot machines, Josh PERSON, somebody's like, oh, this machine's hot. You're just as likely to get a jackpot after you hit a jackpotthan you are to lose one right after you lost one. It doesn't change anything.

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Now, sure, at slot machines or craps tables or at blackjack, you're going to have runs.

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You're going to have times where you hit the point 10 times. You're going to have times where it comes up red 15 times in a row. You're going to have times where a slot machine hits a bonus every other spin for a while. But that's, again, just the randomness on a slot machine. That's just the random number generator happening to work in your favor for that particular small segment of time. The same with craps. I don't remember who the listenerwas, Josh, but somebody on Twitter ORG when I posted the question about gamley myths said it's impossible to know you're in a streak when you're in it. And that's true. If you're on a hot streak, I mean, you'll feel it, but you don't really know that you're in a streak. It could just be a sequence of events. You can look back and say, wow, that was a really good run I had.Right. But like if you hit a jackpot on a slot machine or you hit a bonus game, you may hit a bonus game the next role, but you don't know that you're going to. You don't know that that hot streak exists. Right. Until after it's over typically. You don't know that that hot streak exists. Right.Until after it's over typically. So it just, it is what it is. The next one on my list, Josh, $50 bills are unlucky. Do you fall into this camp?

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Are you afraid to touch a $50 bill in Vegas GPE? I will not bring a $50 bill with me. I will not cash in a $50 bill. I actually think I have a $50 bill in my little tip envelope that I carry around of

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tip money that just is sitting there and will probably sit there until the end of time. I'm think I have a $50 bill in my little tip envelope that I carry around of tip money that just is sitting there and we'll probably sit there until the end of time.

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I'm not taking it out doing anything with it. I should probably stop bringing it with me.

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You probably should. Maybe that's why you've been losing, Josh PERSON, obviously. I have a lucky

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$2 bill that I carry in my wallet to keep the plane from crashing. Oh, well, so far, 100% success.

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Right. Exactly. Since I've had that $2 bill in my wallet, I have not been in a plane crash.

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Well, congratulations. Every time I get on a plane, I wear shoes and socks, and I found that keeps it from crashing.

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There you go.

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Same thing.

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How about you with $50? I have a feeling you feel the same way, right?

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I do not care at all. You can give me $1,000.50 bills, and I will be very happy that you gave that to me. No, I don't care what bills you're using. Other than the fact that when you buy in with them, it does slow things down more than if you were using $100 bills, if we're talking a big buy-in. But other than that, no, I don't care.You can use a $50 for anything you want to, and I don't think it affects anything.

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It is fun to see when somebody comes in and buys it with $50 bills to see everybody's reaction, including dealers.

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Panic sets across the whole table.

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It's not good. And I'll tell you what, if a seven comes after somebody bought in mid-roll

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with $50. It's their fault. Yes.

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Oh, my God. Just chase that person off the table.

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The next one I have, Josh PERSON,

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dice setting works.

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I have that on my list as you can

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possibly come up with. You know our feelings on dice setting. We don't believe that there's any evidence that dice setting works. We don't believe that it works. That said, if it's working for you and you're winning, we're not going to fight you on it.Just don't slow us down too much.

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Yeah, I think that's enough to be said about that one. Last one I had on my list, Josh PERSON, the one that you hear all the time that oxygen is pumped into casinos. I've heard that a thousand times to keep you awake, right? That's the, oh yeah, fresh air. It makes you more engaged and more alert and all that stuff. Are these casinos circulating their air frequently? Yeah, absolutely. They want clean air going through. Are they pumping in high levels of oxygen?No, they're not. And I'll go a step further. That would be very dangerous to introduce significant amounts of oxygen into an environment where people smoke. You would have a fire hazard if that was the case.

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They want to keep the air fresh for sure.

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Yes.

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But that's as far as it really goes. Right. No.

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And not to mention, can you imagine the cost of trying to pump in medical grade oxygen to fill a whole property with? I mean, they're not doing that, can you imagine the cost of trying to pump in medical grade oxygen to fill a whole property with? I mean, they're not doing that. Are you insane? So, no, I think it helps. Some casinos don't even try to keep the air clean.Have you been to Circus, Circus recently? Right. Okay, Josh PERSON.

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They pump in CO2. Sorry. They pump in CO2.

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Yeah, it's like O2, but just a tad bit different. That's right. Okay. So let's talk about some of the ones listener sent that we hadn't heard yet. Zach on Twitter ORG, the harder and more obnoxious you hit the screenduring a bonus, the bigger the bonus will be.

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Zach PERSON is absolutely right.

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All of those things you do with touching the slot machine screens,

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that works.

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Oh, yeah. Smacking them, smacking the button, smacking the screen, licking the machine, which we've seen, the people that circle around the bayof slot machines. No, none of that matters at all. Listener, Seth, said, Josh PERSON, that anything can influence the dice on a craps table. It's a random game and the dice will roll randomly every time unless,unless, Josh PERSON, the dice hit someone's hand.

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Oh, oh, all of those impediments,

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that changes everything. It does. When they hit that person's hand, Oh, all of those impediments, that changes everything.

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It does.

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When they hit that person's hand, it's almost a guaranteed seven out every time that happens.

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Oh, when a cocktail of waitress arrives at the table, Josh PERSON?

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That's when I say the number seven a few times in my head to kind of give a, you know,

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what's the, when you cross your fingers and you're not supposed to cross both?

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Oh, you're not?

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Yeah, I think it means, you know, double, if you cross both fingers, both hands, it's like makes double trouble.

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So I'm just trying to exit out.

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That sounds like a myth to me, Josh PERSON.

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If we ever do life myths, I'll put that on the list. That's the next show. Josh PERSON, what about a new stick man?

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Oh, that always brings a seven right out. It really does. You should call your bets off. Yep.

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New stick man, new dealer. Someone buying in mid-roll. Yeah, same thing. Same thing. Call off your bets.

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Yeah, I agree. Oh, late bets. That's one of the worst ones. I mean, if you have a late bet and then the dice hits the guy's hand or chips on the late bet,

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I mean, that's like rolling a 14 because that's two seven outs right there is what that is.

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Not to say some of these things don't bother us. And if you're just a little bit, we've kind of gone myths and superstitions. They're kind of weaving together here. But they are. I'm, it bothers me too. And it goes through my head.And as I've said before, you want to try and find an answer for when the bad things happen. Yep. And these are all these myths or a lot of these myths come from that. Yeah.

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You'll always remember the time that it hit his hand and caused a seven on a great role. You won't forget aboutthe times, you know, the 15 times it hit his hand and nothing happened. It just came up as a four. That doesn't matter to you.A couple other ones we got from listeners, Josh PERSON. Two-way hard eight said, casinos changed the payout percentage while you're playing or when you use a player's card.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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I like that one. I've heard that many a time. They're like, oh, this guy's playing on a player's card, so he's going to do better. Or something I think that's related to that, Josh PERSON, if you're playing

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on free play. That's what I was just going to say, right. Yeah, you hear that a lot too. Oh, it's free play,

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so they're not going to let you win. Well, or is the myth that they let you win more on free play?

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Because I've actually won't, like I had my biggest slot machine jackpot ever on freeplay.

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Well, that wouldn't make sense if they were truly trying to manipulate things. I know.

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But no, all these slot machines have random number generators that are dictating the result of every spin.

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The machine doesn't care if you're playing cash, a ticket.

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It's all the same to them.

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So, no, there's not going to be any effect at all. We had multiple listeners write in and say that the book, and they're talking about the Blackjack book, Josh PERSON, basic strategy,

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that it was written by the casino.

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The casino would write a different book.

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The casino would tell you to do many different things on Blackjack.

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No, you definitely want to hit a hard 17 against a 20 to give yourself a shot.

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And always hit Blackjack.

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I mean, always double down on Blackjack.

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Yeah, no, yeah, exactly.

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You should always double down.

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Why wouldn't you?

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Right. No, the book, the book was written by four guys. They usually refer to him as the Four Horseman PERSON. It was Roger Baldwin, Wilbert Cantay PERSON,Herbert Mazel and James McDermott PERSON.

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Is that off the top of your head?

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No, it's not. I had to ride to check on that one. I knew two of the guys. And who knows about the pronunciation. They do call them the Four Horsemen. They're in the Blackjack call it fame now and on that one. I knew two of the guys. And who knows about the pronunciation. They do call them the four horsemen. They're in the Blackjack Hall of Fame ORG now and all that stuff.It was back in the 50s. But no, this was not written by a casino so that they could make more money. They were just math nerds. And Josh PERSON, hell, they were writing this thing back when there weren't computers. I mean, they were doing this math in their head. I think they were in the Army, if I remember correctly.And they just got bored.

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And this is what they did. And the basic strategy is something that any blackjack players should at least try to learn. Yes. And don't try to learn 90% of it. Learn the whole

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thing, because that last 10% is pretty important. How about the, here's one I just thought of,

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a corollary to that. The dealers will always know basic strategy and help you. Yeah, good luck with that.

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I have heard more dealers wrong about basic strategy than dealers right about it. So yes, I highly would not recommend listening to the dealers for that sort of thing. If you really don't know it, get one of the cards in the gift shop, bring it with you. You can sit in on the table right in front of you. They can't tell you not to use it or anything like that. They'll be glad to let you take a second to check. But yeah, don't trust the dealers. And the last one I had from listeners, Josh, from Vegas GPE shaft. He said slots.The pots full. It's going to pay out soon. So he's talking about those slots, Josh PERSON, where like a piggy gets bigger as it's going and stuff.

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And I'll tell you what, I have fallen into this trip way too many times.

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And I think he actually said he has as well.

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He called it hashtag scam pots.

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And that is true. You are just as likely to hit the bonus feature when that pot is empty or when that pot is full. But there is something psychologically when we see the pot filling, we think we're building towards something. And the only thing I would say along those same lines is, yes, there are games that say

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Jackpot must hit by X dollars, where they truly are progressing. And yes, it will hit before that.

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So if it's really close to it, then yeah, you probably should play because you're getting positive EV from that. But if you're just talking about a screen that has a piggy getting bigger or a bank getting bigger or one of those games that has a little bowl or something. On the NFL

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slot machine, they're like diamond pile.

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The diamonds that are building on the side. Yes. Josh PERSON, and on that game alone, I've hit it when the diamonds were full.

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Me too. And two rolls later hit it when there were no diamonds in there. Yeah. But there is something about it and that is, I hate these damn slot machine companies coming up with these really good ideas. Different ways to hook us in. Yep.Oh, my. You know what it's like, Josh PERSON? It's those games. I think the NFL ORG game has it and some other ones do too, where they're like, you get a two minute drill and you can earn more money during the two

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minute drill. And what does it make you do? It makes you hit that spin button even faster and you lose everything because you're like, oh, darn, I didn't get anything.

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So to take us into slot talk for a minute, what Chris PERSON is talking about, we haven't talked about this on the show because I forgot about it. There is the NFL ORG slot machine that, yes, all of a sudden there's a bonus or a something you go into where a clock ticks down. There is some bonus component involved, but there's a two minute countdown. I thought, Chris, the first time that ever came that, like I had two minutes to hit whateverit was. I didn't know that each time I hit it was actually a spin taking money from my.

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So all of a sudden I burned through whatever my bankroll on the slot machine was in the minute

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and a half.

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And I'm like, what the hell happened?

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Yeah.

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And I don't know because we didn't make these slot machines. I doubt you're that much more likely to make any money during that two minutes.

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It's a gimmick, but it works.

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And that's why they do it.

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Josh PERSON, why don't we take a break real quick. When we come back, we'll talk about what's on your list. We'll answer some listener questions, including one from a recent Powerball ORG winner. So stick around. Let's talk about Travel Zork Travel ORG. Travel ORG is a full-service retail travel agency that specializes in luxury travel servicesand can provide you with VIP services and hotel perks at the same price as if you go through an online travel agency or just book directly. Josh, recently I was on my trip to Nashville, Tennessee GPE with my daughter for a dance competition. We were staying at the Opry FAC land resort, which I'm not sure if you're familiar with it or not, but super nice resort, very high end, pretty darn pricey, unfortunately.

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Is it by the grand old Opry FAC? Yeah, it's right next to it. I had a feeling.

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Yeah, it is. Wow, thank you. No. Yeah, so I had this big trip booked. Michael helped book those. I needed two rooms.I needed connectors so that my mom was going to be with us to help with the kids. That got worked out perfectly by Michael. I can tell you when I arrived, I had a welcome gift waiting for me of some cookies and some chips and stuff like that with a nice letter welcoming me. The next day I was there, I got another just little private car thanking me for coming and all this other stuff. They did a great job. We were able to get an extended checkout until 4 o'clock when everybody else had to be out by 11, which was tremendous. Just awesome value that he was able to add that I just wouldn't have been able to do by myself without a significant additional cost.

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Yeah, I think that's one of the greatest things that Mike on his team at Travel ORGs, or Travel, can do for you is all those little extras. And anybody can book a room. You know, you can book a room through any old place. We all know that. Even if you're booking a room in Vegas GPE or some exotic place all over the world, if you want really those extra touches, that's what Michael and his team can do for you.And as Chris PERSON just had it, he had a great trip. And part of it, just a little part maybe, but part of it was because of these little extra touches that Michael did.

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We are. We are. We were talking about. I don't know. What happened? We were talking about

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Vegas GPE myths. We hadn't heard yours yet. So what do you have on your list of Vegas myths? All right. Some of these will actually kind of cross over into ones that we talked about already

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and some of them might be new. No, no repeats are permitted, Josh PERSON. Well, they're going to be,

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we'll see. I'll try and edit as we go.

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Knowing the rules of a game will help you win. What do you think about that? Good question. I think you can improve your odds of winning by knowing the rules of the game so that you can bet smarter and make more accurate playswhen you're at the table. Like knowing that on a blackjack table, knowing that going over 21 bust you, that would be something to know.

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That would help you play.

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But even knowing the absolute perfect strategy will not give you an advantage over the house.

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And I think that's the key. It doesn't, knowing the proper rules, knowing the rules of a game doesn't actually increase your chances of any particular thing happening. I think that's the key. Knowing the proper rules, knowing the rules of a game, doesn't actually increase your chances of any particular thing happening. I think that's the key.Knowing as we talk about craps, knowing that a six and an eight or 1.67 house edge or whatever it is, doesn't increase the chances of a six eight coming. It's just knowing that. And as Chris PERSON said, that can help you,can help you determine what bets to make or whether to play the game or not, anything like that. It doesn't actually help you win. Yeah, I agree with that. That's a good one. All right. Second one I've got is keeping track of previous results help you figure out, helps you figure out what the next result will be. This feels like a shot at Mark DeVal PERSON.

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This is what this feels like, Josh PERSON. Are you saying I shouldn't be writing down the result of every role so I know it's coming?

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You can if it makes you feel better. Okay.

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This relates to what we talked about before, which is, you know, whatever came in the past isn't going to have any impact on what happens in the future. With the only exception being at blackjack tables, if you're counting. Right.

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And that's this, I don't think these myths apply to advantage plays particularly.

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Okay. Fair enough. All right. This is one we kind of touched on, but I'm curious that luck matters.

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Yeah, I think that there is a strong belief in the Vegas GPE community that luck is what drives a lot of it.

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And don't get me wrong, luck is a thing. It's a quantifiable thing. But at the same time,

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it doesn't affect what's going to happen when you're at the tables. We look back after having a good run and say we had good luck.

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If it went bad, we say we had bad luck.

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But luck itself has no meaning and no effect.

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Right.

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You don't know that you're going to run, you're going to get lucky and run into Zendaya in the casino.

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You only got lucky after you ran into Zendaya in the casino.

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Correct.

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And Josh, up until a couple weeks ago, wouldn't even know who she was if he saw.

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See, I had to, I picked out a topical.

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That was a good one.

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Yeah, very good, Josh PERSON. Yeah.

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My first thought was Britney Spears PERSON. Okay.

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Well, I think everybody would have known who she was. But then again, I think most people know who Zendaya is too.

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Well, it was more of would you consider yourself getting lucky if you ran into Britney Spears PERSON now?

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20 years ago, yes.

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That's why I switched.

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Probably not.

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Okay.

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What else you got, Josh PERSON?

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Slots by the entrance are bigger winners than slots in the middle of a property.

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Now you sound like Clark Griswold PERSON over there. They always put the winners up front.

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That's right. Exactly.

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That is a thing that people believe.

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That was Cousin Eddie PERSON that said that, though, wasn't it?

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Well, I've heard in so many places I don't remember who said it. I think it was Cousin Eddie PERSON that said that though, wasn't it? Oh, I've heard in so many places I don't remember who said it.

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I think it was Cousin Eddie that said it to Clark PERSON in the movie, but point still taking.

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Oh, yeah, they always put the winners up front so everybody can see them.

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So do you think that's true? Is that a true myth?

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No, it's not true at all. But if you want to believe that, you're more than welcome to. If it truly were a thing, then everybody would just play the slots by the door. And they want you to do that. I mean, that's great. And if you do win something, it draws people into that myth even further. But no, I do not think that casinos are putting their best slots up

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towards the front. I'll tell you, though, Chris PERSON, it does pop into my head when I think, I'm looking for a machine. I should pick this one because it's by a high traffic area and they're going to want to attract people. It goes through my head. I don't believe it. Yeah, but it runs through my head sometimes. See, I think about it from the opposite

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perspective. I'm thinking if I'm a casino operator and I was going to have a slot that was set to give a much bigger payback than all the other ones. Right. I would put it in a place where people

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wouldn't play it that often because I wouldn't want to pay that out. You just, there's no incentive to get a whole money. Yeah, exactly.

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Oh, but anyways, what else you got?

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All right. This is one that kind of, again, is a little bit related, but somewhat different. I almost won. I must be due.

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Oh, yes. I mean, that fallacy of a near miss, I think is what most people would refer to it as on

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a slot machine.

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That works absolute wonders on people.

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Oh, well, you see two out of three things that you need for a bonus.

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Right. Or if you get four out of five things and if it was just one more line clicked down, you would have won the jackpot.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's nothing that draws people in more.

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Don't, I mean, don't get it wrong. These companies that make these slot machines, they are psychological experts on what works and what doesn't work. Oh, yeah. And we've already talked today about different things that they're doing now that they didn't do 10 years agobecause they've learned that psychologically it works. Near misses have been around forever. The new things like growing pots and stuff, I mean, that's a newer thing that they've come up with. But they're always going to be on the cutting edge of figuring out what works for the human psyche

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to believe that they need to keep playing. Psychologically get us to push those buttons.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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All right, here's one that similar. If a slot machine hasn't hit a jackpot in a while, it's due.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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We touched on that kind of, but the idea is just as much as it was an hour ago, but for sure, yeah.

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Okay, next one. If a number or a color comes up a lot, you should bet on it because it's more

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likely to happen the next time. Oh, that's an interesting thought. Again, half these things that

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you're saying, I usually take the opposite approach from my thought. It's, oh, it's been black seven times in a row, so now red is due to come up. I don't think, oh, it's been black seven times in a row. So now red is due to come up. I don't think, oh, it's been seven blacks in a row. The eighth one's guaranteed to be a black. But either way is a stupid thing to even think.

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So I guess it doesn't matter. I always think back to what's a tout, a sports betting tout. One of the radio stations I used to listen to had a sports, you know, sports tout on every week during football seasons.

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His thing was you never bet into a streak.

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You never bet against a streak because if the street continues,

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you can continue being right. You're only going to be wrong once. But if you keep betting against the street, you can be wrong every time while the street continues. Gotcha.

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Well, I mean, good for him for coming up with that.

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But no, if a number or a color comes up before, as we said,

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it doesn't mean it's any more likely to come up for the next time. Nope.

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All right. I had dice setting on my list, but we talked about dice setting.

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Yeah, we don't touch base.

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That's enough.

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The last one is the last one I've got, I think, is one that we all know.

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It's a blackjack one.

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And it's third base needs to know basic strategy and play right or the whole table will fall.

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Yeah, there is that strong belief

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that if a person that's at the end of the action, at third base, the last seat on the table, that if they make a bad choice, so if they hit a 14 against a dealer 6, they're going to take their bus card and it's going to ruin it for the whole table.What people forget is that for every time that they do take a hit when they probably should, and according to the book at least, sometimes they're going to grab a card. Yes, that bust them, the dealer makes a hand, and all hell breaks loose. But just as many times, they're going to grab a small card that would have made the hand for the dealerand then cause the dealer to bust. What that person does at third base, again, unless you're counting cards and it's starting to get to a pretty critical point. Other than that, what the person does at first base, second base, third base, it has no effect. It doesn't matter. Most of these games that most people are playing are eight-deck shoe games.So you're talking over 400 cards. You really think one card's going to matter in the grand scheme of things when you're talking about 400 cards? No, it doesn't. All that is, is just a way to blame somebody if somebody goes south. The same thing at the craps table where if it hits somebody's hand or a late bet comes out, we're looking for excuses for why something can go wrong.But no, I tell people that play with me all the time. They always ask, because Josh PERSON, typically, I'm playing more money at the table than they are.

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So they always use, they want to be like deferent against you and be like, oh, you know,

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do you want me to hit this? Do you not? And I always say the same thing. I do not care what you do. Play the way that makes you happy. It's your money. Right. Because it doesn't matter what that person does. That's what I've got. Those are all the myths. So a ton that we covered there, Josh PERSON, a lot of different things that at least some people believe in. Others don't. I know some people, we got into some superstitions almost, versus myths. I think they're in the same vein. But yeah, some interesting stuff. And if you havesomething else we didn't talk about, let us know.

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Yeah, for sure. We'll talk about it in the next show. Josh PERSON, listener questions.

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We got an email from John PERSON. John PERSON said, Aloha, friends. Questions about gambling that I thought your opinion would be interesting to hear from. I'm a relatively low-level gambler and have been my whole life. Recently, I was fortunate enough to win a pretty large sum of money from the Powerball ORG drawing. My question is, if you had a per-trip gambling budget of $50,000 and weren't established anywhere in the Vegas GPE market,where would you go to try to established anywhere in the Vegas GPE market, where would you go to try to not only have the best time, but be taken care of the best? I've never had a host and never played at more than a $15 table. So just want to get started on the right foot. Mahalo, John PERSON. Wow, a lot going on in that question, Josh PERSON. But congratulations to start.

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Yeah, that's what I was going to say, John PERSON. Congratulations. That's fantastic. It sounds like you might live in Hawaii, which what I was going to say, John PERSON. Congratulations. That's fantastic. It sounds like you might live in Hawaii, which if you're going to have won a jackpot, Hawaii might be a perfect place to live.

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I tend to agree. You're already in paradise. You don't even have to move.

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Right, except for a little gambling since they don't have that in Hawaii.

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That's true. They don't have gambling.

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So I think you probably, if you were listening to the show for a little while, you probably know at least what my answer is going to be. And maybe Chris's, if you have a $50,000 per trip gaming budget and you want to try a nice place and being taken care of the best, I'm going to probably say win. I mean, you're going to be well within, you know, you're going to have no problem with their table limits. You're going to be treated well. I think at that level they will treat you pretty well.I can't think of a better option, really. Chris PERSON, what do you think?

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You know, a lot of things came across my mind. The first thing was, look, if you've always been a $15 player and you've enjoyed yourself, I don't necessarily think you need to bump up your play

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just because you won the Powerball ORG.

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Yeah, that's fair. And in fact, I'd go as far as to say, I wouldn't do that at least at the beginning. I would play at $15 if that's what you like or a quarter if you needto and not stray too far from what you're doing. You can go more often now, obviously, because it doesn't matter

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to you as much. But if you get a lot of happiness out of playing at $15 and $25 tables, then keep doing that. Don't feel like you have to pump up. Because quite frankly, if you're not careful,

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and we talked about gambling being in the addiction earlier, $50,000 is a lot, and I don't have any idea how much you want on your power ball drawing. But that being said, you can fly through money pretty darn quick at that kind of clip.

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Especially at a place like win. Especially at a place like when. So I would say, A, do you need to play that much? But B, if you truly want to play with that kind of clip. Especially at a place like win. Especially at a place like when. So I would say, A, do you need to play that much? But B, if you truly want to play with that kind of limit, it really comes down to what you want. Because of $50,000 bankroll at a lot of properties in Vegas, I'm thinking mid-tier properties, Josh PERSON, you could be treated like a king there.

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So, I mean, if you want to play at a place like Planet Hollywood or New York, New York, or any of those places, Park MGM, and you've got a $50,000 line with them, you're going to be taken care of pretty much as well as you want to be. You're going to get almost anything you could want. I'm not saying that you're going to get airplane transportation. It's not going to rise to that level. But if we're talking about the nicest sweets and unlimited food and show tickets and, you know, a ton of free play and all that stuff, you could kill it at a place

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like that. And yes, $50,000 is a lot at win. But it's not. It's not. It's not villas. It's not even the

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nicest sweets. Right. Win's amazing for all players, no matter what level you're playing at. But you're not going to get nearly as much there as you would at some of the other properties. Yeah, I think Chris PERSON is right. As I'm talking

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it through, I mean, of course, my first reaction is when it is going to make you feel the best, probably, and all of those things. But 50,000 per trip is wonderful, and I wish I had that, but it's not at the top or even close to the top of what win values in its high level players. I mean, I think, you know, during the Super Bowl, there were $250,000 credit requirements and things like that.

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I mean, they're looking for players at that level to really wind.

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Yeah, those are the ones that make the big difference.

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And yeah, if we're talking about getting like reserve tables and stuff on 50,000, that's not happening at when. It's not. But $50,000 a line will get you a reserve table 90% of the other places.

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It might get to a whole Florida Excalibur ORG.

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Absolutely. They'll block off the whole damn place. No, Josh PERSON, the only thing I was thinking is, you know, maybe if you wanted to be like quasi close to upper luxury but still get some really good care, maybe like a Venetianian NORP that might fit well into the mix at that kind of level because they don't get...

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I've never seen a player that level at Venetian ORG, ever.

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It's never happened for me. I see $100,000 buy-ins at win every single trip.

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Yeah.

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More than once, typically.

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That's pretty common. So, you know, maybe something like a Venetian ORG, a resorts world would definitely go crazy over that to get you to come there, probably Fountain Blue FAC. Yeah.

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If you want that nice blend of being able to play at lower table limits and be treated well, I'm thinking the sky suites at Aria might be a really nice blend for you because you can get that level of room and still have the ability to play at lower tables,that kind of idea maybe? Yeah.

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So there's a couple of thoughts that we have on it. But again, congratulations.

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That's awesome. If you're not a patron, I expect you to be by the next episode at this point. I don't know how recently this happened, but make sure you get signed up. We have a $50,000 level just for you.

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But Mahalo, John PERSON, thank you so much.

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Email from James.

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And I don't think this is Facebook moderator, James, from what I saw. He said,, John, thank you so much. Email from James, and I don't think this is Facebook moderator, James, from what I saw? He said, good morning, guys. What are some properties across the states or even across the world that you haven't played at that you really want to?

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Well, we've talked about some of these before. Chris PERSON and I have toyed with the idea of going to

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Macau. We've toyed with the idea of going to Monaco. We both want to play at Black Hawk FAC,

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or as Tim from the Better Life says, Black Eagle FAC.

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He keeps calling it Black Eagle FAC, I think.

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So we do want to go to Black Hawk FAC.

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It probably won't be for the June meetup,

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but we do want to go see where,

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well, I want to go to Atlantic City GPE. I've never been to Atlantic City GPE. I really want to play in Atlantic City GPE. I want to go to Encore ORG Boston Harbor, even though I know I won't get any tier credits. Yeah, I'd like to try Biloxi GPE. There's so manyplaces I haven't played. Within the States, I think Atlantic City GPE is probably one that I want to get to sooner rather than later. MDM Detroit GPE is probably down on the list. No,

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there's no rush to get up there. Yeah, good question. Yeah, I think Macau GPE is up on my list pretty high.

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If we're talking international, Josh, number one on my list right now is going to Monaco GPE and playing at Monte Carlo. Yeah. That is by far the number one thing that I want to do outside the country, but I don't want to do it until you can come. Yep. I mean, I could fly there next weekend, but I think it would be much more fun if we could plan something for like three, four days out in Monaco and really do that right.

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We can invite John from Hawaii.

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He could definitely, maybe he can fly us there.

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I don't know.

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No, that'd be a lot of fun.

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Black Hawk's my in the U.S. GPE place I still need to get to that I haven't.

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I don't have high expectations for it, but it's just a place I haven't played and I really want to. Right. And the only other thing on my list, Josh, would be the hippodrome in England GPE. I know they don't have a craps table anymore, but I've always wanted to check that place out because it looks very cool.

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Good question, James.

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Yeah, thanks, James.

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We appreciate it. Last question, Josh, we got an email from Heather PERSON. She said, hey, guys, I found your show about a month ago and had been listening back through the catalog to catch up. I really appreciate that I feel like I learned something every episode. I know recently you all had an episode that talked about casino credit a little bit, but do you have an episode that goes into more detail?Thank you so much for everything you do and hope you all have a great Vegas trip in April, Heather PERSON. And I think unfortunately, Josh PERSON, she sent this a while back and I just hadn't got you.

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Of course. Yeah. Thanks, Heather PERSON. Yeah. So Chris PERSON can probably give you the exact episode number, but we do have an episode where we dove in the casino credit.And Chris PERSON, what episode is that?

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Josh, that is going to be episode number nine.

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It's called Casino Credit WORK_OF_ART. Is it right for you? Yeah, we spent a whole episode diving into how to open credit, questions that come up during the process, what it's like, how to repay markers, how to pay the casino after you leave, if you still owe a money.Yep. What you can do with markers, what you can't do with markers. Yeah, I think we hit everything in that episode. And I'll go a step further and say, after you listen to that, there's another article on our website and our blog that we haven't posted anything to in a long time.

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But what you did?

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Oh, yeah, we did. I forgot to mention that. We need to talk about that. Yeah, so there's a blog post about casino credit that everything in the podcast episode, I typed out for you if you're more of a visual reader sort of thing. And good point, Josh PERSON.We never post anything to our blog anymore because we're too busy. But for tie in with our Patreon episode last week, we asked Chat GPT to write an article for our blog just to see what they kicked back. And Josh PERSON, if I remember correctly, and that article was called Dispelling the Myth Why Dice Setting Isn't Real by Chat GPT.And it's really good. So give it a read if you get bored.

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Yeah, definitely check out that podcast episode. Give it a read on our blog. There's a bunch of really good articles on there as well on different topics. If you're interested in those, give those a read as well. That's all at crapvigas.com ORG. But yeah, thanks, Heather PERSON.We appreciate the question, Heather PERSON.

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And one thing I just wanted to say, even though we recorded that way back years and years and years ago and we wrote the article years and years and years ago, what, 1995?

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Pretty much. Yeah, I don't think anything's, not much has changed since then as far as our experience with casino credit. So I don't know if we have much of a perspective to freshen it up. We've both applied for and have credit now at some different properties. But that episode, as far as the facts of it, still holds up,even if it doesn't sound quite as good as we sound. I agree. Okay, Josh PERSON, now finally, at the very beginning of the episode, we tease that there's a new segment. You gave me an acronym that I don't know what it means. So fill me in. What are we talking about here? So it's the acronym is the CVBW ORG. I don't even want to take a guess what the BW stands for because it could be wildly inappropriate or wildly wrong. So you'll figure it out.Okay, you ready? Go ahead. Here we go. Because it could be wildly inappropriate or wildly wrong.

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No, you'll figure it out. Okay, you ready? Go ahead.

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Here we go.

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It's time to spin the crap Vegas GPE big wheel.

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Oh, damn. When you hear a topic that catches your interest, stop the wheel.

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Are you ready?

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Are you ready?

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Oh, I'm ready. Okay, what's it landing on here, Josh PERSON?

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Okay, so Chris, have you seen the Netflix ORG show obliterate?

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No, and don't want to.

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Pass next.

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Do you know anything about it?

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Nope, don't want to.

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All right.

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You want to get hitched.

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Coming up in Las Vegas at the South Point Casino from April 30th to May 2nd is a towing industry convention.

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Alternatively.

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Okay.

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Hold on.

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Yeah.

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Stop the wheel. Hold on.

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I got to figure out how to stop the wheel. Wait.

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Does the wheel have an engine on it? It kicked back a little bit there as the wheel is coming to a stop. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Okay, a towing convention at South Point FAC. Lots of things pop in my mind.A, I didn't know there was a towing convention, but there is a convention for everything. What kind of person do you think attends a towing convention? Josh PERSON, what's the demographic like for that?

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I'm thinking you got your repo guys.

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Oh, those people. I bet you those people are really cool. I bet you they have a lot of cool stories.

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I've seen all those shows on TV that are, you know, a little bit dressed up more than the real excitement in real world. But you got your AAA ORG type, you know, tow truck drivers.

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Okay, the really boring ones, yeah.

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That's about it as far as I can think of. That's it. That's the whole thing.

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Probably some sponsors that make, like, tow trucks. Yeah, do you think they talk about, like, the newest technologies in tow truck?

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Yeah, I was look on the website. They have a whole bunch of how to get into a car quietly and how to, you know, hook up a car onto a flatbed and seminars on these.

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Oh, so you're saying that this is almost like a crossover convention between tow truckers and, like, people that specialize in car theft.

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Right.

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So they can learn the newest way to open a door. I wonder if they have two levels of entry. Like if you're a tow trucker, you get in for this price.

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If you're a thief, you have to pay this price.

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That would be really exciting. I'm going to spin the wheel again. I can tell.

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So going back into the want to get hitched conventions, alternatively, if you don't want to do

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the towing industry convention, we have the Nevada Bridal and Wedding Expo EVENT, which is actually today,

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Sunday the 28th. So hurry, if you're listening in real time, to the Las Vegas Convention Center

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for the bridal and convention. And somebody that does not want to get married again, that has zero interest for me.

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All right.

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Chris PERSON, a listener pointed this out to me.

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There was a post on Reddit that says that anything goes at Fountain Blue FAC where hookers and Blow PRODUCT are widely available. So I have that to look forward to.

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Oh, that will be fun.

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So help me understand, Josh PERSON, during this segment, am I, are we supposed to talk over the wheel

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that is very loud in my, it's very loud in my headphones.

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So it does make this conversation a little bit more difficult.

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You keep saying that, but it does not go down.

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There.

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That's slightly better.

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I can hear you a little bit more.

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So, yeah, Fountain Blue, Josh PERSON.

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I mean, they got to have some niche to draw people in.

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And I guess allowing it to be the Wild West LOC is one thing they could do.

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All right, Chris PERSON, did you know that a man has been accused of passing counterfeit chips

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at several Las Vegas casinos, including Cosmo ORG,

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and exchanging them for several hundred dollars, investigators found that some of the chips had a Golden Gate ORG sticker on them. I'm still confused about how you'd pass off Golden Gate chips at Cosmo ORG, but maybe those ones didn't have the...

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I've watched so many of those videos, Josh PERSON, that they used to do on... What channel was that? Was it discovery?

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Yeah, I think it was Discovery ORG. Or the history channel or something about the guys that fabricated casino chips

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and how good at that, you know, they'd buy blanks and peel out the insides from certain chips and put them on and paint on the edges.

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I mean, my thing is you can't do it nowadays on any sort of high-denomination chip. You're not doing this with hundreds or five-hundreds or anything.

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And because half those chips nowadays have a few hundred bucks, I think.

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But that's what I'm saying. How much money did he spend trying to customize these chips? I mean, was he counterfeiting, you know, $100 worth of chips and it cost him $87.50?

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There's not a lot of money to be made here. Did you see that a new poll found that 60% of Nevada GPE voters say they would support banning smoking and casinos?

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That doesn't surprise me at all.

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I mean, that feels like something that should have been done a long time ago. I think Park FAC's a good success story along those lines. I understand you're going to piss some people off. But quite frankly, if you're a casino, the only people you really care about are the bigwigs and the, you know, the high rollers. Right. So just put a rooftop bar patio that's not smoke-free and stick them up there and let them play high limit. And for the rest of us, let us enjoy the clean air.Yeah, I like that. All right. And last thing I've got, did you see that Steve Whiteman PERSON, I see how you pronounce his name. The president of Wynn Las Vegas is announced he's stepping down in June. He only held that post

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since January of 2023 when he took over for our friend Maryland GPE. Maryland Spiegel. Yeah, Maryland

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Spiegel. So that's a pretty short time. Yeah, I say, obviously he wasn't pulling his weight as much

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as he should have, I would think, as the situation. Yeah. I don't think anybody would voluntarily step down from that role that quickly. Well, it doesn't sound like he's going over to Fountain Blue FAC where they're in suing each other over poaching people.

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It doesn't sound like that's the... That could be what's going on, but yeah, sorry to hear that for him, but best of luck in his future endeavors. That's what I got.

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We should stop the wheel.

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Let's stop the wheel, Josh PERSON. Hold on, I got it.

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There it is.

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The kick back on that wheel.

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There's a lot going on.

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There is the CVBW PRODUCT.

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I have a feeling that this was the first time we did it. We didn't talk about it in advance that we were even doing it since Josh PERSON wanted to be a surprise. That being said, like we said, there's a big lull between episodes 50 and 100. So we got to try some random stuff out in the lull, but just give us 10, 15 episodes to perfect it. And I bet you we'll have the wheel down by the time we hit the 70s.

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That was fun, though, Josh PERSON. But we got to keep things rolling here. How about Patreon? Patreon.com slash crap Vegas. What's new over there, Josh PERSON?

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We had a really fun discussion that I think ended up being useful for a lot of our patrons on the last show, which was a situation where a listener had written into us discussing how we would play with a $2,500 bankroll on craps. And we wanted to maximize our comps if we were going to just shoot for maximizing comps, how we would play. So we talked a lot about that, really spent about 30 minutes diving into that. And it was a great discussion that we've had a lot of positive feedback on. We also talked about the transition over at Nomad ORG into whatever Nomad is becoming and a few other odds and ends. Yeah, I think it was interesting because it's not the

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way that you and I play. So when people ask us questions on this show about just our feelings on things, it's not the feedback we would usually give because that's just not what we do. But we truly did give details if we were just trying to maximize comps. And we didn't care about having fun in our eyes at least or making money. This is how we would play. So it was a fun discussion for sure.The new patrons this week, Josh PERSON, we have Scott P. Oliver C., Tyler K., Luck of the Irish 7. David M. The Mac Smith PERSON. Greg M. Dan PERSON S. who Josh was an annual and a KCS guy. So that's as good as you can do. Thank you so much, Dan.

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And Tim K, who was already a patron, upgraded to an annual subscription.

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So thank you again, Tim PERSON. We appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, Tim PERSON. And thanks to all our new patrons. As we always say, you guys mean the world to us, encourage us to do fun things like the KCBW ORG. Casey PERSON?

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Casey PERSON, it's the known control big wheel.

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Yeah, you encourage us to do fun things like the CVBW PRODUCT.

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It's your own damn acronym.

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How do you not know it? You came up with it. It took me for a while. It took me a while to figure out if I wanted to call it the crap Vegas GPE big big wheel or the big crap Vegas GPE wheel or the big Vegas wheel. How about the big wheel of crap?Well, we can't now.

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It's, it's set. Too late now. It's done paid for. No, but yeah, thank you again to everybody that's signed up. And just remember, if we go a day without a new patron, Josh PERSON kills a puppy. Upcoming trips.So, Josh, when this comes out, we are sitting in Vegas GPE at a craps table, making tons of money. I'm still here for another day. You're still here till Tuesday. Yep.

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And then we said that we were going to have a trip later on, probably in June.

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It's probably going to be late June, but we still haven't locked down dates yet. But we are working on that. And since that's Josh PERSON's birthday trip, usually I try to stay a little longer for him because he appreciates that. So yeah, be on the lookout for some dates in June. And I guess we'll figure out where we're going after this trip wraps up. So I can see if Josh wants to do more at Venetian. If we're back at Wynn ORG, we'll have to figure it out.

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Exactly. I'm very excited. It should be, I'm thinking it's going to be that kind of last

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weekend of June that most likely will be there. But I hope we had a great trip. I hope we're continuing to have a great trip. I hope we will have a great trip to use your temporal

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issues. Speaking it into existence is what we're doing, Josh PERSON.

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Friendly reminders, subscribe and leave a review on your favorite podcasting app and to visit our merch store. That's crapvigas.com slash shop. As a special thank you to our listeners, we are still offering 50% off. All our remaining CV shirts, which are getting very low in quantities at this point. Make sure, especially certain sizes like large that you check to see if we actually have it. If we don't, I'll let you know it's on back order, but we're not going to replace it.So that order will just get canceled. But if you're going to do that, head on over there. Use code Big 50, and that will take 50% off all those shirts. We'd love to send those out to you. And Josh, I have a four-star Apple ORG Podcast review. I thought we would share this week because we don't get a lot of those.

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It seemed like it was a direct shot at me, so I figured I got to include at this point. The subject was not Derek Stevens PERSON. It was from foul hooked. He said, if you love Vegas GPE gambling and really love hearing one of the hosts repeatedly stayed his dislike from Stevens Brothers ORG,then this is the podcast for you. Yeah, thank you for the four star review.

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Yeah, four stars. I mean, it's better than one, two, or three, I guess. I overcame you there, I think. You did. I was a three star. You were a five. We. Four stars. I mean, it's better than one, two, or three, I guess. I overcame you there, I think. You did. I was a three star.

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You were a five.

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We settled at four.

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Yeah, I'm not shy about my feelings towards a certain casino owner who doesn't treat his employees very well. My bad for sticking up for employees, you know, it is what it is. But thank you for the feedback. We always appreciate it.

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And because I always like to, you know, smooth over, smooth the waters over. I'll say we know a lot of people love how he handles customers and things like that. So we get that. But I'm with Chris PERSON.

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We don't know a lot of employees that like him, John PERSON. Well, yeah, that's the, there is that part.

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Mm-hmm. Anyways, yeah, keep trying. Anything else you want to talk about before we get out here this week?

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I don't have much. I'm really excited for our trip. You know, we haven't actually been there yet as

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we're recording this. It hasn't happened yet. I always think about should we bring our recording equipment and maybe do a live Patreon ORG show. Who knows? Maybe we will have done that.

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You know, Josh PERSON, I think what's so hard about it, we've done things like that before where we took equipment with us and recorded.

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We've had technical issues every time we do it.

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And more so, whether I should or shouldn't, I feel like I expect our show to have a certain level of production when we put it out. I like the way that it is. I like the quality

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of the sound. I do too. I think it just, it is who we are at this point. And when you do something like that, we can't ship all of our equipment that we use out there. It would be impossible. So I don't think we can give the quality of product that I want to give. So I just, I don't like doing it. I guess that's what it is. And I think Chris PERSON is right. We try

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really hard to make this show sound as good as possible for you because we know we're not. We're not

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anything special to listen to. We need all the help that we can possibly get. I mean, without thousands of

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dollars worth of hardware and software, I mean, it would just be unlistenable if it was just us talking.

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So we try. Exactly.

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Anyway, that's about all I've got, unless you want to hear the CVBW PRODUCT intro again.

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No, I think I'm good.

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Although I have a feeling knowing you, it's going to be playing underneath me as I speak right now. No, no, I might do the wheel. Okay, fair enough, because I know how you operate. I got 18 minutes of wheel.Of course you do.

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You think that wheel's going to go on for 18 minutes? I might go insane.

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And can't if I wanted to.

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Oh, God. Okay.

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Guys, thank you all for all listening.

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We got to cut Josh PERSON off where this wheel goes on too much longer. I'll talk to you soon. He can stick around and talk all he wants. Thanks for listening, everybody.

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Bye-bye. Vegas GPE, here we come. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bye-bye. Vegas, here we come.

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Thanks for listening to the Crap Vegas ORG podcast.

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Have you ever been to Vegas GPE? Check out all our recent news and our Vegas trip calendar by visiting crap Vegas.com ORG. See in Vegas GPE.

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I am looking forward to or I did look forward to our bottle service at our show.

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Hey, are you excited about that?

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I'm super excited. Drey's has got some pretty big performers coming in this weekend.

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I wasn't even talking about Dres ORG.

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What are you even talking about that?

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I was talking about opium, whatever the show is.

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Oh, no.

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I was talking about when we go to Drey's on Saturday night.

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Who's going to be there?

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Why God John PERSON?

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I don't remember.

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It's Gucci ORG somebody.

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Yeah, Gucci Main ORG's going to be there.

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That's right.

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Okay, you ready?

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Sure.

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I need one of those clipboards I use on set at the movie theater.

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Something just clack it?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Action.

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Is that wheel just going to keep spinning until I say,

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stops the crap biggest big wheel?

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Oh my God, it's annoying.

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These will stop them.

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Hold on.

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Holy shit.

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I can stop the wheel and we keep going.

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Hold on.

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I just stop the wheel.

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I'd like to think that there's literally a wheel right next to you that you're grabbing.

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Computer, how many entries are there for Darmouk PERSON?

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47.