Carolina Panthers Commit To Keep Pounding The Rock

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My name is Tony Dunn and tonight we're talking about running backs. The Carolina Panthers commit to pounding the rock. Dave Canales has signed a former friend and Rashard Penny PERSON. And what will he do to this quarter, this running back room with a new rookie, Miles Sanders PERSON on the way out? Is there a trade coming?Is Chuba PERSON losing his luster? We'll find out about that. We've got Ricky Raines from Cat Crave joining us at 930. And we'll be talking about players on the bubble.

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Each and every week I do it my will, man.

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Cody Lack PERSON lack what's up

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my friend tony dunn listen man it's a tuesday night you know there's no i'd rather be on a tuesday than sitting here with my boys talking panther football tony done before the draft you and i had an argument as to when the worst time of the season is you said it was right around that time i'm saying this one dude there's nothing going on we have to fill a ton of the season is. You said it was right around that time. I'm saying it's this one, dude. There's nothing going on. We have to fill a ton of show tonight, but it is always made so effortlessly easyby the joining of the best damn Panther ORG fans in all of YouTube, Tonya, Dunn PERSON. They make it easy. You know I'm and love them. We got our boy, Panther, Pickle, Pinkle PERSON, what's up?Joey the Blind Panther PERSON, Escobel PERSON, what's up, dude? Brandon Malone PERSON. Our boy, Anthony PERSON in the building. What's up? Diesel skills, the brand ambassadorin the building. Daniel Barry Sports ORG highlights. KG 73s PRODUCT, Mussey Man 7-8 News ORG, muscles marinera, Pisdon ORG, Rare Camera 99 PRODUCT,side show, Tim Estes PERSON, Niners ORG podcast, Tony Don PERSON, and nothing to it but to do it, brother.Let's roll.

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We take no weeks off, and neither do you, if you're listening. The number's 252,228, 5098. You can be part of the conversation. What do you think about this new running back signing a little hammer to go withsome of that, or thunder with some of that lightning maybe, you know, maybe a little strong goal line back potentially that could help this team going forward? Who do you think is really going to be on the bubble?

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Players like Amari Barno, are these guys going to make this team surviving a third regime?

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We'd love to hear from that, from you with that, but we need your help in the offseason. Like Cody said, it is the starving time. It's the dying time for this podcast. We've been in our, we're in our 11th year right now. We need you to sub up, subscribe, smash the thumbs up,like, retweet, wherever you're at, and welcome in the voice. That makes them voice. Code Dizzle Allen PERSON. What's up, my friend?

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Man, just happy to be here talking about the Panthers ORG, yet again with nothing to talk about except for a little couple of pieces here. But yeah, Cody's 100% right. This is the death season. This is the best.Like you really don't have any ability to talk about anything. There's not anything of real note that's going to be taking place over the next few weeks. You know, really a couple of months, to be honest with you. I know we've got a, I think we've got a schedule for the off-season program that we can always run down and whatnot, but we're still all waiting for that training camp schedule.And then I think they said they're releasing the schedule for the NFL ORG season in the coming week or two. So that's something to look forward to, I suppose, but still not super great to be a podcaster in this time of the season.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess the only difference is when you get that schedule now, we'll be like, can we win this game? Can we win that game? Can we win this game? And guess what is no one knows. I did want to mention this, that the hurricanes are leading right now.3-2, end of the second period. The hurricanes were beaten in game one by the New York Rangers ORG. Tough draw for the canes. The number two seed in the Eastern Conference draws the number one seed, though, in the second round of the playoffsbecause they're in the same division. That sucks. That sucks. When you are the number two seed, you win in round one and then you got to go play the best team in the league. Stinks.Hockey's got to do something about the way that playoff seating is done. And speaking of playoff seeding, don't they reseed the NFL ORG playoffs now to where, am I making that up? I think they do. It's like if when like a team, say a wild card team,then that wild card team has to play, the worst team has to play the first seed, the best team. I think they reseed the playoffs in NFL ORG now, which if they do, I think that's a great thing,is that that's why the regular season matters to get those advantages down the stretch.

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The number's 252-228-58.

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Let's jump into the show, Cody, Lack PERSON. The Carolina Panthers are committed to pounding the rock. Dave Canales PERSON said he would be stubborn about it. And really, to be honest, this isn't surprising to me, given his offensive system, which is stretch the field, an air coriel type descendant, right,as he comes from a Schoenheimer PERSON scheme. Very Mike Shula PERSON-esque, if you guys remember. I know you guys are going to love a lot of you weren't fans of Mike Shula PERSON, but Mike Shula PERSON would run, run, and take deep shots. And that's what Dave Canales did last year, stayed with the run despite some of the struggles early on in the season.And it was nice to have Mike Evans PERSON down the field. The Carolina Panthers have signed a running back that Dave Canales has worked with in Rashad Penny PERSON. What's the news on this?

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Well, Tony, Rashad Penny is another example of the Panthers bringing in someone who has a history with Dave Canales PERSON.

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The Carolina Panthers made an addition to their running back depth by signing Rashad Penny 28-year-old,

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former first round pick of the Seattle Seahawks in 2018, the 5'11-220 pounder,

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spent the last year at Philadelphia, appearing in only three games. So that's the knock on. He's dealt with a lot of injuries. But he ran for 749 yards and six touchdowns in 2021 in Seattle ORG with Dave Canales and had 1,951 yards and 13 touchdowns in 45 career games. He's dealt with injuries in the past, including a torn ACL.But get this, he has a 5.6 yards per carry average when he has played. That's ridiculous.

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He was good, man. When he came into the league as a rookie, like they really got him going early. He's a north-south runner, which I like, it works in the NFL ORG,is that a guy that's just going to hit the hole and go and maybe not make any moves to break the big one, but he's going to hit you at three yards and take you two more to get to that five-yard average.

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Yeah, I actually have some clips of our boy. Let's get demonetized.

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Here we go.

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No, there's another. They don't hit this for the NFL ORG all 22.

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You know, I was thinking about this is when we have the NFL ORG draft party. Have they licensed? You know how they license the word Super Bowl EVENT? Right.

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So you can't, like, if you're a bar, you can't have a Super Bowl EVENT party.

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You have to have like the big game party.

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All right. Let's see. This is Rashad Penny PERSON. Is that Russell PERSON?

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That's Russell PERSON. He's sort of like to him, man. He's sort of like a slalom skier kind of. He sort of just narrowly kind of slips and glides past you. He's strong too and he can cut. But you're right.He needs to get ahead of speed. But once he does, he's a home run hitter. And you see it right there.

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Well, I wouldn't say a home run hitter is I think he's a physical back. You know what I'm saying? Is that that that's what you have to do. Look, is what I that that's not home run. That's just next level, right? Is that instead of waiting and dancing.

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He's not slow. Man is running away from dudes.

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What was his? Let's see what his 40.

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And I remember the Panthers ORG were actually interested in him when he was coming out. I remember because on, on his draft night, the Panthers ORG were actually interested in him when he was coming out. I remember because on his draft night, the Panthers were one of the hats that he had available.

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He had a 4-4-6. Yeah.

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He's not slow, man.

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You know, but here are we seeing, what does this mean to the running back room, guys?

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C.K. is like Miles Sanders was brought in last year under the old regime.

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Signed a notable contract, not a giant one, but $25 million, I think, and a lot of it was kind of guaranteed. My friend, Clip Brock on Pirate Radio ORG, described him as a jag, just another guy. I was hoping that he was going to be able to do something. We were hoping a lot of things last year that did not come into effect at all. In fact, it was the exact opposite.But yeah, Chuba Hubbard, who has had his best season last year, how does this room work out? Because we just drafted, what's the guy's name, Jordan PERSON? Jonathan Brooks PERSON. Jonathan Brooks, who a lot of, what's the guy's name, Jordan? Jonathan Brooks.

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Jonathan Brooks PERSON, who, a lot of, who is the home run hitter.

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Right.

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Who is that, you know, it's like, how do these guys compliment them?

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And what does this mean for the rest of the room, ZK PERSON? And, yeah, Chuba and Miles PERSON too.

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I think it means a couple of things. Number one, I think it could mean that Brooks PERSON is going to start out on the physically unable to perform list. The Pupplest for those who don't know what that means.

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So that could be what it is.

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I think this doesn't bode well for Miles Sanders PERSON. I'll tell you that much, especially when you realize that last year, Chuba PERSON and Blackshare PRODUCT were both better running backs. We may be eating that contract. Now, this could be a play to try to get some assets for Chuba Hubbard PERSON, because I could see this being trade-based.

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I can't see anybody actually trading for Chuba Hubbard, except for a Panthers ORG fan, right? And, like,

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is not that, again, you know, I'm a certified Chuba Hubbard hater, right?

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So I will put that disclaimer out here.

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Better than Cameron PERSON. I was paying.

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Not true at all, but, um, not true at all.

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But that I think that the love, like the love, I don't think the love outside the

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league is there for Chuba PERSON.

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Like, you know, like, really, what would, you would always just let them get cut and then sign them.

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Yeah, I mean, maybe you trade Miles Sanders for a six or something like that.

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So, look, let me add some context to it.

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This was from NFL.com writing about the Panthers ORG.

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Nope, wrong one.

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Let me go one to the right. Damn, I know I added it. Did I go too far? Nope. Hang on, wait. Did you do your race it, Tony PERSON?

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No, I didn't.

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No, I dare it.

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There's my bad.

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You can be blaming you.

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You sound like my wife.

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Man, damn, everything is in my way.

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You made it read it.

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You made a reason.

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No,

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Miles Sanders PERSON, Super Hubbard are still on the roster, but the Panthers drafted. Jonathan Brooksin the second round of the 2,024 draft. Hubbard PERSON led the Panthers with 902 yards and five touchdowns, averaging 3.8 yards per carry.Standards, on the other hand, just had 432 yards rushing and a touchdown, averaging only 3.3 yards per carry. Penae has a issue with head coach Dave Canales PERSON,

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as he was on the offensive coaching staff when Penae was in Seattle ORG. They're still familiarity with how the offense ran, which plays to Pena PERSON's strengths. Now, they're going to talk about Sanders PERSON. The Panthers may just cut their losses with the 27-year-old Sanders PERSON, who still has three years remaining on this deal.Sanders could be designated to oppose the June 1st cut, which Carolina would $7 million in debt cap space spread out over the next two years while saving $200,000 for 2024, Carolina could just wait a year until moving on from Sanders, saving a $5 million. And another point is, right now, Miles PERSON really has nothing to lose no matter what they do. Contract is the biggest out of your room right now.

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You almost want to get cut, take the money,

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and go sign another small deal somewhere, make an extra million. The one thing, though, is that financially, it doesn't feel like it makes sense to release Miles Sanders PERSON. Even trading him doesn't bring the financial gains. But we saw when the Panthers cut bait with Hayden Hurst PERSON that the immediate financial might not always be the only driving factor in how you develop a plan, a room, or what's going forward.And right now it's like, how do you make these four backs work together? And are you really going to carry four backs throughout the season when none of these guys are special teams dudes? You know, like you could bring somebody brought up Blackshare PRODUCT earlier, but Blackshare could do kickoffs and stuff like that. I don't know. Maybe Chuba Hubbard PERSON can. I haven't seen Miles Sanders do anything like that i i don't know maybe chuba hubbard care i haven't seen milessanders do anything like that so at what route what point does the room just become too crowded and the money doesn't matter anymore yeah i mean i think that's definitely a good question too

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and also again it's it's so cliche when you hear about oh we're going to have competition at every spot but tony i really think that they mean it. They want competition.

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We said this every.

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I don't believe. There is no competition. You add, you add Blackshare PRODUCT on top of it, who we haven't even really named yet, and who are a lot of fans like. But then you add Rashad, or Rashad Penny PERSON, who does have that home run hitting ability.

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I think he's a power back. I think we were missing the power run hitting ability. I think he's a power back.

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I think we were missing the power back

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though. I think he's a power back. Like I think you would put him in short goal situations over Truba Hubbard PERSON.

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I don't know. I mean, I think they're the same type

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of back. I think they're a downhill thump. Yeah. They're the same like type of running. And by the way, I think Chuba PERSON is also shifter than he gets credit for. I mean, he is that downhill thumper. You want to send him through the A and B gap. But I mean, dude, why do you like to shit on Chuba PERSON so much?

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Dude, he's a damn good player. He's 6-1-2-10. He's 6.1.2.10.

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That is Roshad Penn PERSON.

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2 inches shorter and 10 pounds

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heavier.

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Yeah.

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I feel like Cuba GPE's kind of lean.

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You know what I'm saying?

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I'm not putting Chuba Hubbard PERSON in a goal line situation.

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In fact, we saw this last year, I feel like.

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And putting these guys in the goal line situation could do anything.

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And everybody was like, Dante PERSON, we need Dante. We need Dante PERSON for this. Dante Foreman PERSON.

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I think Penny is the third down.

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Less the running back position and more the O line, not being more shit.

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Oh, gosh, whatever.

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I mean, look, is Hubbard got his best year last year.

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I can't deny that, right? He had 902 yards and five touchdowns on a terrible team. Chuba Hubbard PERSON has made the most out of terrible situations, but he sucked his first two years.

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He just stunk. Who gives a shit?

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I do. You guys want to cut mango right away. It takes time to get good. What other running back on this roster? Out of all of those guys that we've mentioned, who else do youtrust more with one or two yards on the line?

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Rashide, Benny PERSON.

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Oh, come on.

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Yes. He's had more

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he's been more successful

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through it. Look, Chuba

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average, I don't know why you love Chuba PERSON. You got a Chuba fur Chuba.

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No, I mean, you pretend like this trash and he is a damn good dependable running back.

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He's not ever going to get flashy or get the accolades.

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But if you have a good old line in front of him, we have shown that he can do damage before.

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And any running back in the NFL ORG can do damage with a good running.

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But a reason why you hire Ron Rashon PERSON is because you don't know what Jonathan Brooks's

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injury is going to look like coming into the season.

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And Rashon Penny PERSON has been hurt a ton of times himself.

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So it's not like you can even depend on one of those guys over the other right now.

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It's really going to be who wins out the competition. And I think that the coaching staff has room to have their mind changed. So if Miles Sanders PERSON comes out and is impressive and looks damn near unstoppable, I think there was one.

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Where in training?

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K.K. PERSON, where is this real competition at?

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Come on.

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I mean,

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some sense into him as where they do like three reps. I mean, I still think that there's competition in the back end, and then they're going to look at speed. They're going to look and see how these guys work out there. It'd be impossible for them not to look at last year's film and tryto make a judgment based on that, to be honest with you. I think there will be a competition. I don't think there's any doubt about that. It's a competition who's going to be earning a roster spot behindpotentially Brooks being the starting running back.

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Now, that is where competition exists in the NFL ORG, and it's a great segue to talk about some players on the bubble. Don't forget we got Ricky Rains coming on in about eight minutes. He'll join this conversation about bubble players, help us revisit the draft and talk about some of these signings in this offseason. You guys get in to the calls.Number's 252-228-5098. Speaking of, this is the only place that competition actually exists, Cody, like, is on the bubble. I'm sorry. The competition is not real in the NFL ORG. The contract and the starters, there's about 35 to 40 players that are making the team right now. There's no dispute.They could trip acid and come to them training camp, and they're still making the team. It's those last 13 spots, 10 spots that the true bubble exists. That is where competition exists. And so let's talk about that bubble here. We might as well start with the running back group as we're talking about it.Is Blackshear on the roster? Yes.

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Okay.

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So you've got what? We've got Chuba Hubbard PERSON. We've got Rashad Penny PERSON. We've got Miles Sanders PERSON. We've got Blackshear. Out of those guys, who's more on the bubble, Chuba or Miles Sanders PERSON?Hmm.

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And maybe is Rashad Penny PERSON on the bubble?

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I mean, it's not unheard of to sign a guy to a one-year deal.

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Yeah, I mean, just because we signed it to me doesn't guarantee that,

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exactly.

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Oh, he's a lot to make the roster because he played with Canales PERSON before, whatever it is, you know?

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I think he's a complimentary back, though, to like what you have is a duplication of skills. Like you have undersized back in Miles Sanders PERSON, kind of like a pass catching in my mind. Maybe he hasn't been great in his career at those things. But kind of what I would call like a scat back, you've got a, catching in my mind. Maybe he hasn't been great in his career at those things. But kind of what I would call like a scat back, you've got Chuba PERSON who can't catch worth shit and isn't just dominantly big or anything.

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So he's just a regular running back.

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I think Penny PERSON compliments the new player. So who's on the bubble more so CK. Rashad Penny PERSON, Miles Sanders or Chuba Hubbard PERSON?

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I still think it's Miles Sanders PERSON. Yeah, I feel so too. I mean, people are going to say that he's got to stick around because of his contract, but the way I look at it is if he's not, I mean, we're already paying him. So regardless of whether he's on the team or not, I would rather have the better running back and not keep him on the, let a running back go. That's a better option.

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The money is a problem, though.

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It's a problem, but it's already the problem.

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Rare gamer 99 says this. He says, Miles is 27, Chuba's 24. Does that matter? It does. But the problem is this is Chuba PERSON's in a contract year. Right. And what that means is he's not going to be a Carolina Panther next year. This is his final season as a Carolina Panther is like, and I would be willing to bet money on it right now. But that's the thing is that you're right is, yes, Chuba is younger. He is better right now. But you have money invested in Miles Sanders and you don't have a future in Chuba PERSON. And it comes down to how many seats are in the room, Cody, right?I mean, we're talking about the bubble.

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We're playing musical chairs. And if there's five running backs which so we got jonathan brooks we've got black shear we've got um chuba we've got

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rachshut we have five backs so shout out to uh shout out to panther pickle he showed me this

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website that lets you build your own 53 man roster yeah it, it's awesome. So, Tuba Hubbard,

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Miles Sanders PERSON, Rehian

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Blackshare right now. They haven't yet added Rashad Penny PERSON, but Jonathan Brooks is also

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on this list.

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Did you see DJ Chark PERSON,

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which I didn't know he went to LSU ORG?

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You see he's time with your boy.

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Who?

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Justin Herbert. He's a charger.

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Oh, yeah.

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This is a rude-ass tweet, but I laughed at it as they said,

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now they're treating Justin Herbert like a black quarterback.

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I was like, that's fucked up.

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He's Justin Herbert.

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Somebody to get the Cam Newton PERSON treatment.

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I kind of feel like Josh Allen is, too, to be honest.

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And then he's drafted him a big slow.

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All right, so who would be,

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let's go through you, Cody, and then CK PERSON.

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Who are the, who you keep in the running back room?

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I mean, I'm keeping four running backs,

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one of them being a kick returner,

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and that is going to be

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Brooks PERSON, Chuba PERSON, Blackshear, Brooks PERSON, Chuba PERSON, Blackshear,and Penny PERSON. I think I'm with you

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is I do think Miles Sanders PERSON is going to be the odd man out regardless of the money, just because. And here's what I'll say, too. I think that'm with you is I do think Miles Sanders PERSON is going to be the odd man out regardless of the money.

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And here's what I'll say too. I think that he has the potential to go and play a really good football for another team.

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Who Sanders PERSON? Yeah.

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I mean, I think that.

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Maybe not really good football, but have a role in the league.

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Yeah, sure.

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But my reasoning for that belief is that the dude wasn't garbage until he hit the Panthers ORG roster, right?

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That's true.

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That's true.

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So, I mean, I'm not prepared to write the dude off just simply because of a bad season that was littered with horrible play across the board from our team, you know?

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You know, they, but it does give you or some pause or reminder because i was excited

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i thought look is i didn't think miles sanders PRODUCT was um going to be great right actually i did think

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he was going to be good i thought he was going to get a lot of volume i thought they were going to be

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throwing out of the backfield a lot to them i thought he was going to be a cool sleeper mid-round pick in fantasy, which I've learned

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that my Panther ORG bias always destroys any fantasy hopes. Like I'm to the point where I just don't, I'm never looking at a Panther ORG player again in fantasy football. But he, but the criticism coming out or when we signed him in the beginning was that he came from the best offensive line in the league. Right. And you had Jalen Hertz running the ball.Like so it's, it's one of those guys. To me, maybe he is just another guy. Maybe he is who I say, and look, I want Trey Boston PERSON to come on this show. Trey Boston PERSON did a lot for the Panthers and I like him as a player. But I feel like a playerlike Trey Boston PERSON looks really good when he's got good players around him.

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And when he's got regular players around him,

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he looks regular.

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And that's what Miles Sanders

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looked like last year. This goes down to my core philosophy about running backs. Dude, I don't care that our running back room is a bunch of who's of my fuckens. Like, I don't give a damn. Because if you look at Miles Sanders and what he did last year and you didn't know what he had done the year before, you would never look at Miles Sanders PERSON and say,that's a running back that's capable of a thousand yards per season. It's all about the O line, baby.

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It's not all about it. Look, Christian McAfre. No, Christian McAfree would look. No.

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McAfree would make a average O line look better. No, too many. He did. He did. He would make more

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at a nothing. That the, that the offensive line, if they're able to get going and make lanes, dude,

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you don't have to have an early drafted running back.

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You can get by with the undrafted free agents.

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That can be a thousand-yard rushers and make records in the playoffs.

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Like the 49ers ORG running back,

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Sam and they do every single year.

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Too simple.

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You do not need premium talent at the running back position.

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Too simple.

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Too simple.

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And look,

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is you're right when you're talking about regular players.

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But there are true stars.

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There are true transcendent players.

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Sure.

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So it's like,

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so you can't just say,

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well,

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not like I mean,

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these guys change,

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there are game changers and they can be at the running back position. Right. So I think you're right in your general logic, but I do think there are players, Adrian Peterson PERSON, Christian McCaffrey PERSON,

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Barry Sanders PERSON, that are the elite of the elite and that's different.

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But if you compare the other positions

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that are the elite of the elite, the wide receivers, the quarterback, the offensive line, it is much more premium to have those types of offensive talents than a premium running back. When somuch of what the running back does depends on those nasty offensive line in your front of them. So if you have a good old line, yeah, I agree with S.K. It's not plausible, or it is plausiblethat Sanders PERSON goes behind a good old line and is able to do some things. That's why you bought that the idea that maybe Miles Sanders PERSON might be able to impress them people this year, you know, given that he has a new offensive line in front of them. And yes, they are going to have some time to evaluate them during training camp.

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I know, but it's not a popular opinion. But given how much uncertainty there is, I would not count Miles Sanders PERSON out until he is 100 percent counted out of this equation.

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Well, yeah, the money. How about this? Look, Ricky Raines PERSON, I forgot to press enter. I put the link in the direct messages and never hit the click the button. So Ricky Raines PERSON will beon here any second. It's my fault. How about this? Why don't we take a cat call real quick before it gets in? Sure. The number's 252-228-58. We want to hear your thoughts on the bubble on Miles Sanders, on Rashad Penny PERSON, or whatever you want to talk about.

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So what are your thoughts on cat calling? Yeah, it's pretty shit. You shouldn't do that to somebody. And how did that make you feel?

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Very uncomfortable.

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How do you think cat calling makes the person feel?

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It feels good. Yo, what's up, D3? It's Anthony from Charlotte GPE.

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We're up, Ben PERSON.

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We're having a good Tuesday.

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I just wanted to call in and say, what's up?

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You know, kind of a dead period still in, in um you know the league really for the Panthers

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um Rashad Penny PERSON was signed whatever kind of been an insurance guy um the only takeawayI've really come away from this off season besides trying to better Bryce Young's PERSON position to give himself real success um is that I don't think Dave Canales is a liar trying to better Bryce Young's PERSON position to give himself real success, um, is that I don't think Dave Canales PERSON is a liar.I don't think he's a hypocrite or anything like that or he's impulsive. That was the one thing I hated the most about that rule. Um, Frank Reich PERSON was honest. He was just honest, like, in not giving a fuck. He was just like, yeah, like, I know if ran the ball, that may have been the better thing, but no, that's not what I want to do. But, like, I think Dave Canales PERSON is going to be right in the approach of, like,hey, I'm going to be committed to running the ball this year, but if it doesn't work, then we're going to adjust. But running the ball, most times it works. You just got to commit to it by not, you know, giving up on it after like four run plays if you're only getting like eight yards in those four run plays, stuff like that.But like I think like the one thing is, again, like he's just honest. So I don't think we're going to be bullshitted by him at all. Right. Like, he's just honest, so I don't think we're going to be bullshitted by him at all. Right. This whole running back conundrum, like, guys, I think Jonathan PERSON, obviously I wouldn't have taken a running back there and people are still arguing about it.The only way this pick really works is if Jonathan Brooks turns into like a top seven running back. Like if he's like top five, top seven by the end of his second season or if we see like really good flashes after his first year, then okay, yeah, it's going to be a home run pick. But otherwise, no, he needs to be good. And it's not necessarily his fault. It's just that where he was taken. And you got to think it's like, okay, well, if youtook this running back so high, why are you signing all these other running backs? Is this going to be a whole committee thing? I assume Miles Sanders PERSON is going to be out. I just think that they need to give them the rock if this pick's going to really work out, y'all, because there was just so many other, like, base positions of need that we needed, like, player available at like cornerback edge or linebacker um and i know their draft boards are different than what we think every year which is why i'm like not as in tune with getting upset over most of these prospects but those are my thoughtsuh keep pounding keep motherfucking pounding and i'll talk to you guys soon keep pounding anthony uh listen i uh like i kind of kind of Pounding. Keep motherfucking pounding. I'll talk to you guys, Sam. Keep pounding, Anthony PERSON.

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Listen, I, like I kind of alluded to earlier, to me, none of the running back moves have done anything other than say, we want competition.

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So, by the way, the super chat, Kev says cody PERSON is a powerback yes did he

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fuck you keb appreciate you

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I love isn't there one we missed one from

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earlier I believe too

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I didn't save it

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I thought I saw one okay

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I like the I'm with Josh

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I like the book's pick personally is I think there is value in drafting running backs because you just run them mugs into the dirt. If they are, a diamond dozen, like you said, is you get a good one and you run them into the dirt.

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I want to run by theory across our guests and see if he agrees.

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Perfect. You're listening to the C3 Panthers ORG podcast, brought to you by Carolina Cat Chronicles.com ORG. Every Tuesday night, we're chopping up the latest Panthers ORG news and opinions from the fan perspective. We appreciate your time and being here with us.com every Tuesday night. We're chopping up the latest Panthers ORG news and opinions from the fan perspective. We appreciate your time and being here with us.Let's welcome in. Ricky Raines from Catgrave at Ricky Bowbody PERSON, the coolest dang. A great X handle, Twitter ORG handle, and a great sign that his wife got him. Yeah, appreciate it, man.

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What's up, fellas? How you're doing?

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We are bored. Bored.

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Really?

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With all the commotion?

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I mean, it's, this is,

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let's ask them the question. What is the deadest time in the NFL ORG? Yeah, right now.

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For me, it's, uh, right now.

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He's on my side.

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Right now. When did I say it was, it was like right

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when free agency. Yeah, no, you were in between free agency and the draft. Yeah.

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And that's a pretty significant. At that point, you could look forward to the draft. Yeah.

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We're just, dude, we're waiting for OTAs. Yeah, like we're getting excited because the rookies

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are going to show up on Friday, right? That doesn't really mean much either.

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But I think they're both significant lulls.

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And we had the mock drafts to kind of pass our time, right, during the pre-draft period.

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Right now, just sort of like, hey, let's just see what happens.

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I hate a mock draft.

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I know you did.

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God.

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I was guilty as charged.

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Let me ask, how many knock draft did you do?

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Well, you know, for me too, though, man, I did my big board.

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So I did a lot of pre-draft work for the draft in general, not just for the Panthers ORG. So I was kind of getting a feel for the layout and what I thought was some realistic scenarios. I probably did 50 mock drafts in that pre-draft period.

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And those mock drafts, 50. Yeah. Did you get any picks right other than Xavier Leggett PERSON? Liggett PERSON? No, I don't think I did.

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I had Jonathan PERSON,

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well, actually, I take that back, man. I had Jonathan Brooks PERSON, and I actually was taking Jonathan Brooks at 39 at one point when Smoke started to really pop up about Jonathan Brooks PERSON. And by the way, he was also my 39th ranked overall prospect on my top 15.

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Nice. Nice. So, like, I was higher on him, I think, than a lot of people were. I think that that ACL injury really took away from the overall evaluation and what people might have thought of him coming out. But no, man, as far as like the Trevin Wallace PERSON pick, hell no, I hadn't, that wasn't on my radar.He was my number 100 overall prospect. So I don't think it was like a egregious pool to take him in the third round, but there were other prospects on there that I probably would have personally sided for.

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We've been talking about the running back room since we signed Rashad Pene PERSON. So we'll start with this. As the signing happened today, how do you see, look, we know there's a connection. And look, this is the nepotism of the NFL ORG is real, right?

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It's like from coaching staffs to players. Yeah.

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That, I mean, even Dan Morgan trading with Buffalo and Brandon Bean and different things. Now, you heard that New England was in the mix. I don't think they want to trade with their own division. But they did trade with the chief. So the nepotism, the relationships matter. Dave Canales has some history with Rashad Pity PERSON.

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How do you see him as an addition to this room? And what we were talking about is who's on the bubble in this room?

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There's five running backs. I mean, somebody's got to, I mean, obviously we'll be talking about this for months,

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but how do you see this working out? I mean, for me, man, I didn't look at it as like he's going to come in to compete for running back two or anything like that.

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Jonathan Brooks PERSON is the future. They've invested a second round pick in Jonathan Brooks. They have high plans for him. I think he's RD1, to be honest. If he's healthy, I think he 100 is. I think that what they do here is with Chuba in his final year of his contract.

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I think you run them into the dirt, as you guys were just saying. Get as much as you can out of that, right? Squeeze that lemon, get every drum of juice out of it,

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make the best lemonade you can this year. You're likely not going to give him a second contract unless it's a very team friendly one.

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Jonathan Brooks PERSON, you ease him in. You see about his health, man. And look, that ACL thing doesn't scare me as much as it seems to scare other people. Breeze Hall just came back from an ACL, a clean tear, and right around that same amount of a time frame. And he came back, and after the first month or two in the season,he was right back to form, man. Tijey Spears is playing for Tennessee Titans ORG, and he's got like half of an ACL left. He's tore it like three different times. I'm not overly concerned about his recovery there. I think that what Rashad Penny PERSON does is he brings a skill setthat wasn't in the room. I agree.

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I mean, this is a guy that is

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he's a breakaway, he's a breakaway runner.

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Like you look at him, he's got almost a

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50% club. That's what I said. He's a home run hitter.

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Oh, yeah, he's a home run hitter.

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He didn't tell me, he's done fighting on this

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because Tony PERSON is like he's a power back.

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And I'm like, he used to a degree.

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But I also think that he's a home run hitter when you give him the opportunity.

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Everybody is when you get past the second level. Not everyone.

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Not everybody. Yeah, yeah. Look, we've seen Chuba PERSON not be able to kind of finish those runs, right? Miles Sanders PERSON as well. And the other dynamic with Rashad Penny PERSON, though, is that he's got that kick returnflexibility as well. Oh, yeah?

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Oh, yeah. He's a good kick return. He was a great kick returner at San Diego State ORG.

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And I think that what they're doing is when they look at this, they're not going to

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have Jonathan Brooks PERSON rushed into a big role. They're going to let him kind of dictate that.

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But then you need somebody to compliment Chuba PERSON, right? So who is that going to be? Is it going to be Miles Sanders who has a very comparable playset, playstyle and skill set as Chuba PERSON? Or do you bring in something that's a little bit different? And it doesn't hurt, man, that he's got familiarity with Canales PERSON and the scheme. Why would that be a bad thing?Like, that's not a terrible thing at all to have familiarity with it. With Rashad Penny PERSON, it's all about his health. If he's healthy, man, he's a really good football player.

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Now, has he lost a step? That's the question, right? Because he was a healthy scratch in Philly GPE.

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Philly GPE also does weird shit, man. Like, Nick Siriani loves Kenneth Gainwell PERSON. He put Kenneth Gainwell as running back to start the season to get rid of Sanders PERSON. Maybe they could have brought him back for a team-friendly deal if the Panthers ORG hadn't to wait and throw a bag at him, right? So there's just context to it all.I see this as a competition between Sanders, Penny, Blackshear. There's like three other guys. The Sheridan PERSON kid, the undrafted free agent that we have, I still think that he's going to make a little bit of noise in camp. I think that it's like five people competing for running back three and running back four.And you're not going to keep Miles Sanders PERSON on the practice squad. So if he's the odd man out, you're looking for an audition to trade him and get anything back or a post-June first cut to relieve a little bit of that dead cat money.

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Yeah, Ricky PERSON, and listen, I just sort of said my philosophy on the running back position. Listen, it's great if you have a transcendent running back talent, right?

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Yeah. Way to put a caveat in there now. Eric Henry or Christian McCaffrey PERSON.

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But the point that I always make is that it's so overrated compared to the elite talent at other offensive positions.

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Specifically, obviously, quarterback, but wide receiver and O line, especially.

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If you looked at Miles Sanders last year and you had never seen anything about him before,

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you would have never thought that that guy would have ever had a thousand yard rushing season in his life, but he did behind that really good Philadelphia ORG O line. To me, this running back room is perfect because if our O line is as upgraded as we hope it is with that new offensive interior, to me, you can't tell me that one or two of these running backs in this room can't really be explosive.

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If we get this O line kind of back where it should be, do you agree with those sentiments more? A man said this is perfect. Shut up.

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It is.

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Who do you need? What other running bat do you need to make the Carolina Panthers a good run team, Tony PERSON? Ricky PERSON, the question is for you, but I think it is even more nuanced than just only a good

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offensive line.

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It's part of the running game comes from the ability. Yeah.

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Perfect. You know what?

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I'm jaded.

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I ain't saying shit is perfect in Carolina, but Rick PERSON,

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address this question.

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Well, so I won't say the P word. I wouldn't call it perfect, right? Because I think that Tony PERSON, I think that you just made a pretty fair point that ties into what you're talking about, Cody. There's a marriage with the offense.You can't have a terrific run game without at least the threat,

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the viable threat of an efficient passing game.

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So with all of these things, the emphasis on the offensive line is terrific as far as optimism for both of those prospects, passing and running the football. We should improve in both. Not to mention the offensive scheme will not be Frank Reich's PERSON offensive scheme or Thomas Brown and Frank Reich's PERSON weird little baby of a scheme, right?This should be something that is a cohesive, aligned format of running an offense. So with that in mind, I do think that you can see a way better performance from this running back room, even if Miles Sanders PERSON stays, man.I'm like, look, I was pretty vocal about,

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I thought that Rashad Penny PERSON could open the door

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for Miles Sanders to be a afterthought here in Carolina ORG.

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True, but. Because I think that Canales PERSON has been really transparent, man, about like, I'm not going to keep somebody just because you guys signed him last year or paid him a lot of money. He's going to evaluate the roster for the best players. And if Rashad Penny PERSON is healthy, Rashad Penny has been just as good of a running back as

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Miles Sanders PERSON in his career with a lesser offensive line. That's a fact, right? Yes.

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So I think that it's a legitimate thought. But even if Miles Sanders PERSON stays, man, I anticipate a better performance from him too because I think that we should have a more viable offense as a collective. But I don't think that it's just the offensive line improving that's going to make all these guys, you know, barn burners. I will point out to this about the health aspect.Rahim Moster went to Miami GPE, right? And he hadn't had a healthy season the entire time at San Francisco ORG. They put him in that scheme out there in Miami GPE behind that offensive line, and he barely got touched. Like a lot of his yards were untouched. He was averaging like four yards before contact last year.If we can do that with some of these guys and alleviate some of that, you know, brutal back and forth that their bodies take as running backs, hey, what's to stop us from having a better year than people anticipate?

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Well, look, is, yeah, is that it's easy to have a better year than you anticipate when you don't anticipate anything.

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When you anticipate. Yeah. Yeah. And that is where I'm going to stay at. And it's all, we're playing with house money at this point for me.

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Yeah. And that was largely how not only was the Panthers season just so epically terrible last year,

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but part of it was the excitement that we generated. And, you know, to be honest, the media, the Charlotte GPE media, the team, they didn't stray from it either. They were feet.And I remember Bill Voth PERSON came out and he's no longer with the team. And he said something like, you got to be cautious about how much your fanning the flames of optimism with all of this new stuff. Cody, how about this? Let's take one more call or another call, should I say,and then pick the next position group that we're going to dissect for who is on the bubble. Because then we'll have to ask Ricky PERSON at some point, is there any competition in the NFL beyond the last 10 spots on a roster? I don't think there is. It is you're competing from 45 to 53 on the roster. And other than that, the guys are entrenched.Let's take another call. The numbers 252-228-28. Cody, I'm counting on you to pick the next position group. Gotcha.

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Yo, what's up?

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My C3 family. D.

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Sign for North Carolina GPE.

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Shout out to the great

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Tony Dunn PERSON.

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To the homie Cody Lack PERSON. The Cole Dizzle PERSON,

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C.K.

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The muscles mariners that a thing guy and to shut the hell up past the pickle D's Cole. J.J. Jake PERSON, the whole family. Love every single one of you. Nour, Nerve that, and God, and shut the hell up, past the pickle, these, cold, JJ PERSON, the whole family.Love every single one of you.

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I'm totally ecstatic that we're going to pound the ball.

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Getting these backs in here, get as many fresh legs and running. It can only do but help Bryce PERSON and make Bryce better and make Bryce PERSON efficient. So having them guys load up on the box because they can't stop the run. And then we hit that play action over the top or hit some little short passes here andthere, dink and dunk it, hand it right back off, ball control, keep our defense off the field as much as we possibly can, kind of like a rest of people, some W ORG's family. And that's what we're here for, This team of dogs that we got assembled here. These dogs are about the bites. And I smell it. We're going to have a great year.Like I said, I love every single one of y'all. I'm so, so thoroughly ecstatic to get to all the other festivities that we get to training camp. Hopefully we have a big C3 ORG reunion. Hey, love every single one of you. Keep pounding.

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Keep pounding. We definitely don't have to talk about that C3 ORG get together, man. That's going to be too fun. But listen, let's go back to the Panthers ORG roster. We've sort of been predicting who is going to be the guys that are on the bubble. We predicted for running back the Black She shear PERSON probably on the bubble in that scenario.Ricky PERSON, real quick, do you have a bubble player for the running back room that you see potentially?

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No, because I have no idea.

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Man, I don't have any idea what they intend to do with that position, though, to be completely

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honest. I don't know how many they plan to carry on the 53, and I think that plays a really big part in it

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because I think you only stash one or two on the practice squad, right?

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Yeah.

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So you got five that you're choosing between.

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So it's really hard right now to pick a bubble for the running back spot. But I will say that the punt return and the kick return option becomes really interesting when you draft Xavier Leggett PERSON, who that may be an immediate area where he can contribute, and that takes away from Rahim Blackshare's PERSON value. You know what I mean?So does he become dispensable at that point?

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I think it's very dependent on Jonathan Brooks' PERSON health, though. Yeah, no, that's a great point. Health is really the story for a few of these guys.

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Brooks, Penny PERSON. Yeah, absolutely. Even Sanders wasn't too a few of these guys. Brooks, Penny.

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Yeah, absolutely. Even Sanders wasn't too healthy most of the time last year.

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So let's go to the wide receiver position. Who do we think is going to be on the bubble at wide receiver? The guys we have so far, Jonathan Mingo, Xavier the Get PERSON, Teres Marshall Jr., Deontay Johnson PERSON, David Moore, Cam Sims PERSON,Adam Thudlin PERSON, Elyr Smith, Marcette PERSON. And that's just the name of few. We also have some undrafted free agents that I know a lot of people are excited about.

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Boys, who we think is going to be the bubble player who's probably not wrong for

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the team how is it not paris marshall junior PERSON yeah i mean how is it not you know is uh he's made

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the roster he's never made any impact on the team outside of a few plays when steve wilkes

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was the coach.

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We saw him last year at training camp just like off.

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He kind of reminds me. He's like the wide receiver version of C.J. Henderson PERSON. You know, is like he doesn't talk with anybody on the sidelines. All of the hope we had last year and all the opportunity. CK PERSON. Who's on the bubble here?Oh, man. He's had a bunch of names too after Terrace Marshall Jr. I don't know any of them.

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Yeah, like Cam Sam's PERSON and those guys.

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Yeah.

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Who are these people?

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I mean,

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it's not named Mingo PERSON,

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Xavier, uh, Johnson PERSON.

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Yeah, those guys.

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And Thielen PERSON, right?

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So anybody not named those three.

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Amir Smith PERSON, but I think he is probably, he's going to be a make it. I think he's going to be a surprise candidate over top of some of the people.

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Well, I think he was, like, even when you look at this, like, we, we brought Deonti Johnson on because he was the considered the best separator in the league last year, or really his entire time in the NFL ORG, it's always been his hands that are the biggest issue. But when you think about Amir Smith-Morset, when you look at his analytics from last year, he was actually an incredibly efficient separator. It's just he wasn't getting as many opportunities.

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And I think that he will get the opportunities under Canales PERSON. Ricky is, I mean, obviously we're going to, look, Deontay Johnson PERSON. Yeah. He's already said they told him he was going to be the X. Right. Xavier Leggett, number one draft pick this year, traded up.I mean, obviously, Delaide PERSON, it seems like unless they trade him or something like that, they've got to roll for him.

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Mingo, you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet for, I think it's a mere Marce PERSON.

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But we, you know, the last time, Ricky PERSON, I've got a spreadsheet somewhere about, we usually only keep five or six wide receivers. Right.

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Six is a high number. Yep. Of wide out.

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And the only time I think we had seven on the roster was when Steve Smith PERSON got hurt back in like 2008, somewhere in there. Remember, like he broke his forearm or his leg in the preseason game or some

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shit. Right, right.

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But there's at the max there are six players. We've got Johnson PERSON. We've got Leggett PERSON. We've got Thielen PERSON. We've got Mingo. We've got Johnson. We've got Liget. We've got Thielen PERSON. We've got Mingo PERSON.We've got a myth, whatever his name is.

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Amir Smith-Marset PERSON.

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Who is else in this team? Who could make it?

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So you bring up an interesting point with Thielen PERSON just about the slim possibility that he gets moved, right? I don't foresee that happening because I think that that stability at the wide receiver position is still going to be necessary for Bryce Young in year two. Right. Taking away something that he's very comfortable with that he's had production with seems a little bit counterintuitive to me.But if they get an offer for anything reasonable, right, if somebody wants to give a third rounder or something like that for Adam Thielen PERSON, you move off immediately.

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Would you take a fifth for him?

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I mean, it depends on what they think about Jonathan Mingo PERSON, to be completely honest. That's where I think it really comes down to for me. Right. And that's where it's really difficult to project some of this stuff is because this is a brand

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new coaching staff with no ties to any of these players.

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But there is a chance that they come in and they see,

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I don't personally believe this, they come in and they see Terrace Marshall Jr. And they say, look, this kid's got ability. Because that's something that's never been questioned with Terrace. It's his ability to play the position.That's there.

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The problem.

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From everything that I have gathered in conversations that I've had,

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it's been more of a mentality and more of a defeated when things aren't going his way, he's not a very happy camper.

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And that's understandable.

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That's understandable to me to an extent because of the circumstances

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that he's dealt with,

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but also you're a young player.

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You're trying to make your hey, you kind of got to go out there and do it. Now, he has been very professional from a media standpoint, right? That doesn't mean that what we hear is exactly what happens in the locker room. He's had issues where he's not getting on the field. And that's talking about with a wide receiver group that was just abysmal last year.So, like, if you're ever going to take a chance on talent over attitude, that's when you would have done it.

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I also think they were very stubborn with DJ Chark PERSON. Now that he's gone, that opens up a little bit with the alignment.

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He's so, I'm so embarrassed.

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I'm still embarrassed by.

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But so talking about the bubble seat,

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man,

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I think that Amir Smith PERSON, Marcette PERSON is still up in the air, to be completely honest, man. He signed a one year contract, right?Like, we didn't give him any kind of big vote of confidence.

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One year contract, and it was kind of just like, hey, look, who else is on the roster? Like we don't have

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anybody else. For me, he's a kick returner or a punt returner. That's why we signed him for.

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But then what do you do if you, if you have any kind of vision of using any of these other guys in that position, right? I could.

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Xavier Liggett PERSON.

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Rashad Penny PERSON, if he makes the, if he makes

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the team. Punt, was

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Amir PERSON, he wasn't kickoff.

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Amir. Yeah, no. Rahim Blackshare PERSON was our kick returner.

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Right. And Amir PERSON was our punt returner. Now, you still have, you still have to Sean.

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Rashad Penny at punt return. No, but you do have Deshawn Jameson, the corner out of Texas ORG last

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year that was a really good special teams player at Texas ORG. So if he's going to make the roster,

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because you're also going to have this log jam in that cornerback room that you got to figure out who has that special team's value. So there is just this question of which player is likely to assume those positions. And that's what's going to dictate a lot of these bubble positions in my opinion. Amir Smith-Marset PERSON is probably the favorite to get that last spot.

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David Moore PERSON seems like a campbody who's coming in to help with the vocabulary and familiarity and familiarity with the team, right? Correct. Right.

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Kind of like that. I will say this though. Terris Marshall Jr. PERSON actually

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turning it around at this point might be one of the most surprising things to happen on the

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entire roster. Like nobody believes in Ter Terish Marshall Jr. PERSON at this point.

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We've been waiting to see flashes for him

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from him for a long time and still haven't seen it. And, you know, it is something worth mentioning. Ricky PERSON,if you're right, if his kind of boils down to an attitude problem, well, it's going to hard to continue to ingratiate yourselfto a different coaching staff after a different coaching staff. It just gets harder and harder the more time goes on. And then knowing Jonathan Mingo and Xavier Leggett PERSON, the fact that both of those guys in college had times when their coaches would move them into the slot. Like it seems as though you would want to work those guys from those slot positions.

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It does Mingo and Xavier Leggett PERSON.

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I think I've heard Mingo PERSON's natural position is the slot. Like he's more of that type of player. People said that it was an unfair comparison. And Rickie, that would actually be a good question for you at some juncture. But a lot of people were kind ofcomparing Xavier Leggett to Jonathan Mingo PERSON. Basically saying that they're almost like the same kind of wide receiver. And in some respects, it is true. The way that you deployed them is similar, although I do think Xavier Leggett has much more physical attributes. But you mentioned trading Adam Thielen PERSON, and it does make me a wonder. Now that you add Deante Johnson PERSON to the mix, you're going to want to move around Mingo PERSON and the get,I'm assuming. It does make you wonder about the trade viability of Adam Thielen and what they would even be able to get for him at this point.

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And to play devil's advocate to that question, though,

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we shouldn't feel 100% certain.

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And Tony PERSON, you said you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet. But that bathwater wasn't drawn by this coach.

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So if they look at this, if they look at these guys and they say, hey, look, Mingo PERSON just doesn't look like a good football player. Like, I don't think that he cracks the rotation. Yeah, so was Terrence Marshall Jr.

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And Terrence Marshall Jr. PERSON had a whole lot more production, so was Terrence Marshall Jr. And Terrace Marshall Jr.

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had a whole lot more production at college. Terris Marshall Jr. PERSON had big seasons. But you gave him four years.

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This will be his fourth, right?

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Yeah, I mean, you've given Terris Marshall Jr. PERSON a leash. And look, I hear you.

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And I'm not saying that you're wrong. Right.

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But I think this is, I think it would be ultimately, if we're going to go on the internet and argue about how unfair it is to judge Bryce Young PERSON because of all of the system, it's not like mango.

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Yeah, fair across the board.

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Well, and what I was going to say about the trade value, though, is that when you're

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asking what the trade value is for Thielen PERSON, what could the trade value be for a second

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round or just one year removed

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that some people might have really believed in his talent? Does he give you actually more of a return and then allows Thelan PERSON to continue to man that slot position? Because that's the only alignment that Thelan PERSON is going to be deployed from, right? We're not going to run Thelan PERSON out there in the flanker. Like, he's just not going to work out.And it may happen like three snaps out of a game or something like that just to keep a defense honest, but that's not where you're going to work him out of. So when you're looking at that log jam at that position, you do have to consider if Mingo can get a better return and his coaching staff isn't sold on him. I'm not giving him the, you know, sure thing just because he was drafted in the second round last year. I'm not out on Mingo PERSON personally.I think that he showed ability. I think that he was completely misused, as was about 90% of the roster last season, if you want to be completely honest.

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So I try to give everybody a little bit of a hall pass for last year. Mingo PERSON was young. He wasn't supposed to take on as big of a role as he did. They forced that. If he gets his feet underneath him and he has a little bit more field awareness and he takes it a little bit more seriously from all the things that I heard, he does work relatively hard. It's not like the guy just doesn't practice. So if he had a good offseason, if Canales can get a lot out of him, Canalis is a really good wide receiver coach. Brad Isaac PERSON was a really good wide receiver coach.

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If anyone is going to get something out of these guys, it's this coaching staff. And we should also look at that on the other hand and say, if they don't like him, we got to trust that too. And if they say, hey, look, Mingo PERSON, we don't like,

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feeling we think we can trade, we're ready to roll with Jalen Coker out of Holy Cross ORG. If that's what they come into

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and they like, hey, look, man, I'm open

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right now to just about any situation they want to do. And it seems like that never happens for Carolina ORG.

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Like it happens for every other team and not us that that guy that surprises out of nowhere and ends up making the roster.

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Like, why can't we ever have good things, man? Like that needs to happen to us at some point

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in time. It would be a fun story. Yeah. And I agree with you too. Dude, I have such a short leash

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for anyone that hasn't done anything for us like if you have not played

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good football for the panthers i'm not going to bat an eyelash at you man and jonathan mingo

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i also noticed last year that there there felt like a lot of times where he was just sort of

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half-ass run his route and it just seemed kind of low effort from him at times.

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If that continues to be a problem this year, yeah, you've got to think that they're either going to look to say something to him or put him on the bench or something because we need

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something from him. Also, it's worth keeping in mind, too, that if they're really truly going to emphasize the run game and he's going to be stubborn with that, you're going to need wide receivers that are good blockers, right?

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I don't know that ISM ORG fits that billing all that much.

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I don't know that Thielen PERSON fits that billing all that much. Now, Theonan PERSON is a much better pass catcher, though. But Jonathan Mingo, that was one of the reasons that he was thought of highly coming out, is that they thought that he was a good, you could shift him into motion and let him run through that C gap and pick up those motion blocks. If he is going to be able to be deployed in that way,he may end up being a little bit more valuable to this offensive scheme than what we saw last year. Yeah.

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And my last question about the receiver thing, Deonti Johnson said that he's the number one wide receiver, that he came here to get, you know, to be the number one

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on most of the plays. Do you think that's true? You agree with that assessment? Yeah. I don't see any reason not to believe it, to be completely honest. We forced Fed Adam Thielen into wide receiver one last year because we didn't have otherviable options. I don't think that that necessarily meant that Adam Thielen would be wide receiver one for just about any other NFL football team other than our team last year.

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Deontay Johnson PERSON playing the X is only surprising to people because they think of the X has to be a big strong physical receiver, right?

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That's a big misconception on that. It's press coverage. Can you beat press coverage? That is what the X alignment is. Deonti Johnson PERSON is about the only player on this roster that you should feel confident can beat press coverage at a high percentage. So, no, I'm not surprised by that one bit, ma'am.

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What's next?

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We're picking up some more bubble players.

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You don't want to, what other position? Tony PERSON, I picked the last one. What other position you want?

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Well, let's go to the easy one, tight end room. Yep.

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Tighten.

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Um, you know, what you get is you get Tommy Trimble PERSON. You get Ian Thomas PERSON, who is the player who won't go away. Yeah.Uh, you know, I'm still upset that Ian Thomas turned out to be a terrible player because like his rookie season, he came out and was a pass catching tight end.

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I mean,

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he has been far below expectations.

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Totally.

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I wouldn't call it terrible because they wouldn't bring him back.

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I don't know.

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He's not doing anyone.

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He's not making any new Panther ORG fans. Let's say.

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And then we got a rookie, right? We get the rookie from Texas ORG. So,

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so all the tight ends listed here. We have Tommy Trumbull, Stephen Sullivan, Chris Pierce, Jr., Ian Thomas, Jordan Matthews, and the newly drafted Jotavian Sanders PERSON. Yeah.

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I'll let you guys comment on this because, I mean, I think Tommy Trembal PERSON has potential still as a player. I don't think he's been bad. I think he's just been on a bad team. And Ian Thomas PERSON is just fat now to me. I hate to say that because I'm, you know, but he, I mean, do you carry all of these guys?

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Do you carry four tighters usually I think we carry

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yeah Thomas PERSON was here when

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Ron Rivera PERSON was here

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that's funny to think of I don't I really don't even know who's on the bubble I'm just hoping that we're able to get a Tommy Trumbull Jetavian Sanders two tight-in sets this yearlike that's what I'm really hoping that we're able to do. The rest is just a bunch of who cares to me. Agreed.

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I think that Tom PERSON, you know,

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unfortunately Ian Thomas PERSON, I think, is our best run blocking tight end. And based on the draft profiles I've seen on Jotavian Sanders PERSON, he's not going to be coming in to fill that role. No, he won't.

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I would even argue that Tommy Trembal PERSON is our better blocker at this point in their careers as well. Yeah, I think that when you look at the way Ian PERSON might be a better inline blocker,

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but he's a little bit slow, man. Like his reaction is slow. We saw him get beat a couple times last year as an inline blocker that he just did not have wherewithal, man. Like he was just a second delayed. And you just can't be that. You know what I mean?Now he's got the longer arms. And I think that's where he kind of has that recovery physical ability. But Tommy Trumbull PERSON, man, I love him a lot as a lead blocker. He played that hback role at Notre Dame ORG.

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Very similar kind of to like George Kittle PERSON deployment out of that backfield where he could kind of be that fullback. He could shift in motion back into that H-back. He can line up in the slot. I think that he has a little bit more versatility. So when you look at what Canalis said about a Swiss Army knife in the tight end room, Tommy Trembles PERSON is the only one that fits that billing at this point. So for me, he would be the de facto tight end one coming into the season. I'm with you, Cody, that I would love to see some 12 personnel run with Jatavion Sanders and Tommy Trembal PERSON out there.The problem you run into there is exactly what we were just talking about. Jatavion PERSON is not a good blocker, man. Like, he's just not. And I know that a lot of fans want to overlook that and say, well, he's not brought in here to do that. He's brought in as a pass catching weapon. I agree because that's about the only redeemable thing that you sawon his majority of his tape. Sometimes he can make a play as a lead blocker in open space, but he's not super nimble, man. Like as a lateral mover, that's not his thing.

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As a pass catcher,

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he's going to bust the seams. He's going to be able to execute on slip screens and quick pass concepts like that. But this isn't a three-level route runner. So I hope that fans aren't expecting him to come in and do any of the things that we've seen like a Dalton Kincaid or Sam Leporta or George Kittle PERSON or any of those guys,right? Mark Andrews PERSON is somebody that I see him compared to a lot. And that's just not a fair comparison. He's going to be a possession tight-end receiver.

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That doesn't offer a huge usage right away, in my opinion. Stephen Sullivan is an interesting name because he has a connection with Canales from Seattle ORG days. So does he end up making the roster over Ian Thomas or does Canales PERSON say we need that blocking tight end and keep Ian Thomas over Stephen Sullivan PERSON? I also think Stephen Sullivan could be a practice squad player, whereas Ian Thomas PERSON maybe gets another gig somewhere else in the NFL ORG.Yeah.

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You know, that's a good point to make there, is that the blocking from Tatavian Sanders PERSON leaves a lot wanting. And most times it tied in, you know, especially early in their career, coaches aren't going to feel comfortable putting them out there for any type of pass catching if they don't trust them in pass protection and in run blocking. And there's so much in the college game that they're not asked to do, as opposed to the NFL ORG, where they're asked to do so many different things. And just the strength and conditioning system of NFL ORG athletes is different.I think this kind of contributes to why some titans take longer than others to develop

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and kind of turn into that player that you've

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been waiting to see, which is why it wouldn't surprise me if, you know, even though fans love

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to hate on him, if we would actually end up seeing a little more Ian Thomas PERSON than they're hoping to, as opposed to Jatio and Sandrish PERSON, while he does learn the ropes and the ends and outs of being an actual tight end of doing everything to that position in Taylor PERSON.

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Rookie tight ends haven't produced typically in like a historical fashion, man. I think that everyone is a little bit nearsighted because of Sam LaPorter and Duncan Cacade in the past two years. But if you go back beyond that, rookie tight ends don't make a huge impact in their first year in the league, man. That position takes some time to acclimate and get used to all of the responsibilities in the NFL ORG that you have to do. And you're exactly right, Cody, no block, no rock type of situation, right?

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If you are a liability out there, A, you're tipping the hand to the defense that when you're out there, you're a pass catcher. You're not a blocker. So that's going to remove that side of the field as a running assignment, right? Right. So if that's the case, they're not going to use you a lot. They will use you in obvious situations because you have a commodity to you.

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But you're not going to stay multiple by putting Jatio on Sanders out there for 80% of the snaps. Correct.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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What's next?

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Let's go back.

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Let's go to the defense. Let's go to the defense.

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Let's go the cornerbacks in the secondary because...

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That's a tough one, man.

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I mean, and then we'll go defensive line,

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and that's probably about all we got to really talk about when it comes to the bubble at knowing at this point.

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Yep. So which position you want to do first?

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Let's start with the corners. We've got J.C. Horn on his fifth year option. We have Troy Hill PERSON, who's played well, who is familiar with Giro or Evaro PERSON. And we drafted a rookie corner,but I couldn't tell you any other corners on the team. I know we signed some guy that people keep, they say his name and they're like.

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Dane Jack PERSON. Yeah. Yeah.

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What's his name again? C.

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Kane Jackson? Yeah.

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And those are all the names I know in the secondary group, which is wild.

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DeCaprio Boodle PERSON.

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Or as,

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okay.

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That sounds cool because I remember his name.

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As Dave Newton would call him DeCaprio Booty PERSON.

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Isn't that what Dave Newton PERSON called him?

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Yeah.

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Hey, LaMalle Jackson PERSON's on our team.

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That's cool. Yeah, that's right. I'll tell you, man, I think that they really like DeCaprio Boodle PERSON. I don't, if you read between the lines, man, I think that this staff is high on DeCaprio Boodle and Dane Jackson PERSON. And that doesn't make fans feel warm and fuzzy. I understand that this staff is high on DeCaprio Boodle and Dane Jackson PERSON. And that doesn't make fans feel warm and fuzzy.I understand that sentiment. But they made a pretty conscious decision to not take a corner that has, well, show Smith Wade PERSON does have a lot of experience as a boundary corner. That's what he played primarily at Washington State ORG, the rookie that we took in the fifth round. But he's 5 foot 9, 184 pounds with short arms.So the prospects of him playing boundary in the NFL ORG are a little bit muddy to me. I don't necessarily see that being the smartest thing. He picked up nickel really fast at the senior bowl. But now you got this log jam at nickel, right? So like, what do you do there? Because you got Troy Hill PERSON.You just drafted Jamie Robinson last year. I guess he could project more as a safety. But then you got to Sean Jameson, who they seemed to be pretty high on last year as well. It's going to be really interesting to see what happens. But DiCaprio Boodle and Dane Jackson PERSON, man, I think they got some serious support within the building. Do you think it's inevitable that we signed

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Stefan Gilmore? Because I feel like Panther ORG fans have kind of convinced themselves that this is inevitable, that this is going to happen. But I just don't take anything for granted. I don't see a dependable cornerback too on this roster right now. Like we have J.C. Horn PERSON and again, JC has a well-documented history with the injuries now.

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We're open to see a full healthy season from him.

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But, God, like, who's, you know, who's on the other side of him?

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Yeah.

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I just, I don't know, man.

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And the more I look at it, the more it just scares me. Like, if you don't go and get Stefan Gilmore on this team, I'm really worried that we don't have anywhere near the type of depth to stop the pass in the NFC South LOC.

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I don't think it's as much of as inevitability as so many fans think it is. I think that it's probable that they make a move in the cornerback room. Now, whether that's on the waiver wire after the first or second round of cuts that Dan Morgan PERSON has said that he'll be aggressive with, or if that's on a secondary player like an Adori Jackson PERSON or something like that that's still out there at free agency, the concern with Stefan Gilmore is does he want more money than what we should be allocatingto that cornerback two position. But Cody, you bring up a point about J.C. Horn PERSON that I think you should touch on. And that's that if J.C. PERSON is really more consistent about missing games than he is about playing them, you have to have somebody you feel comfortable that can slide into cornerback one and then a contingency plan at cornerback two. That's where I think the Dane Jackson and DeCaprio Boodle PERSON dynamic happens because I think that they like Dane Jackson as cornerback two.I think that if you were to see J.C. Horn get injured, I think they keep Dane PERSON at corner two and they slide DeCaprio over to that cornerback one position and they let them both man that.

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I also think they like the character.

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They really favorite.

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I think they really like it, man. And hey, to be completely fair, man, if you go back and watch the character that they really favorite I think they really like it man

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and hey to be completely fair man

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if you go back and watch the opportunities

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that he did have last season he did not play bad man he outplayed C.J. Henderson PERSON in my opinion last year on the opportunities that he had and they were relatively high on C.J. Whether that was right or wrong,I'm not trying to argue that point.

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But if they were high on him

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and DiCaprio PERSON just looked like a better player

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when he was on the field,

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I honestly could see them having a decent amount of faith and they want to see what they do in Evereaux PERSON system this year before they invest any more money into that position for a serious player. Yeah.

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What's it going to look like at safety? Jammy. It's not Jamie PERSON. It's jammy. I know he calls it Jamie, but look at how it's spelled. That safety jammy. It's not Jamie. It's jammy. I know he

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calls it Jamie PERSON, but look at how it's spelled. That's jammy. Well, let's see. We got Fuller PERSON, right? We just, we picked up Fuller

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in the offseason. That's a pretty good acquisition, I think. Is it? A lot of Rams ORG. Is that the guy from the Rams?

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Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people,

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Rams ORG fans talk junk about him.

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I think the thing about him is that he's got an aggressive ball hawking play style. And that's something that is different than what we had last year. Now, some of that is Von Bell's injuries last season. I don't think that he was able to play the way that he maybe would have played in a perfect scenario in a vacuum. But I think that for the style that Evere PERSON likes to play in disguising coverages and bringing his safeties downhill to blitz because he doesn't send a lot of pressure from thelinebacker position, right? Like we saw last year, we saw Brian Burns PERSON drop into coverage a lot more than we had ever seen before. He does a lot of disguising on the back end of his coverage. That's where I think a guy like Jordan Fuller PERSON, he's going to make a little bit of his hay as well.But then I do think you see Jamie Robinson PERSON maybe mix in there. I mean, hey, look, at some point, man, we have got to see development from some of these draft picks. And that's going to be the real like kicker for this team on offense and defense is who develops and how far have they gotten in that one offseason working with EJ PERSON or with this offensive staff.

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Yeah. Well said. Yeah, to see the development,

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that's one of the things I've been harping on for years. Like even when it comes to some of the guys that we're wondering about this year,

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like the, we're still out on DJ Johnson PERSON at linebacker. We traded up for him last year.

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And none of us really know if he's going to be a meaningful

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contributor to this team.

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Like someone has to eventually start impressing that we've

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drafted. I think the

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DJ Johnson PERSON thing is something fans got to open their minds to a little bit, man, because look, they signed DJ Wannum PERSON. I don't think that they're like anticipation is that DJ Wattom comes in here and amasses nine sacks like he did last year in Minnesota ORG.

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That was a huge benefit to that Brian Flores PERSON system of creating chaos. Evereaux PERSON is not that same system. DJ Wanham PERSON was a cleanup hitter. You know what I mean? Like he took advantage of being in the right place and effort a lot.

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He didn't win a lot one-on-won. DeVion Clowny PERSON did, but that was also in Mike McDonald's place and effort a lot. He didn't win a lot one-on-won. DeVion Clowny did, but that was also in Mike McDonald's Baltimore ORG defense with a lot of talent around him and moving pieces that were also playing big parts of that. So I think that DJ Johnson PERSON, man,his development is a huge aspect of what this defense is going to be able to do. If he can come out and at least provide that edge setting that they drafted him to be able to do, If he can come out and at least provide that edge setting that they drafted him to be able to do, maybe they can conjure up a little bit more of the secondary blitzing and making pressure. But if he comes out, man, he's lost again.I wouldn't be surprised if he's a casualty before the 53 man roster is set as well. Yeah.

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Cody, let's take one more call and we'll continue with this conversation and I'll see. We can wrap things up soon too. Okay.

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Yeah, we got us off with this. Miles Sanders PERSON is not a good or not, not a good run back either. But the shot penny is not a good running back, though. You're excited about this? Is what you're excited about? Come on, man, you guys good running bank, though. Like, you're excited about this.Is what you're excited about? Come on, man, you guys have to stop, dude. We got to stop at this.

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We got to stop at this.

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So it's Chuba PERSON. And it's the kid Brooks PERSON. That's it. You got to stop, though. We got to stop this.

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But it's just not going to be just to run.

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Yeah.

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I think Penny PERSON fits nicely, though,

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into the group.

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Especially if you're not counting on them for all the time. You know what I'm saying?

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If he is.

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That's what I was going to say.

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Who's actually excited about it, though? Like, has anyone actually said, like, oh, man, we just got Rashad Penny PERSON. That's a game changer. Or have people said, hey, that makes sense. I'd like to see him force Miles Sanders PERSON to win the job.

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That's how I am excited.

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Yeah, there might have been, you're right, man.

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There's probably a couple of fans here that have been like, oh, man, that we might

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make the playoffs with Rashad Penn PERSON.

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But there's always fans that get excited about moves. I'm excited that he just fits in the room in a way that could make sense.

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A guy that you're not going to make the number, you know what I mean, the former first round draft pick. Dude,

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that is not going to be, you don't have to count on him being the everyday back. Yeah. You know, it's like I do think he would be a decent, I don't think this is a terrible sign.

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He was drafted before the likes of Nick Chubb and Sony Michelle PERSON that year

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after they dominated the SEC at Georgia.

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That was the same year? That was the same year.

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He was the only second,

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there was only two running backs chosen in the first round of that draft and it was Sequin Barkley and Rashad Penny PERSON.

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Is Sony Michelle PERSON what ruined the

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Belvedicke PERSON?

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Wow, I didn't even realize that

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until you said that is true.

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In 2018, he was

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the first round, the second round to the and if you look at, man, and I posted these stats the other 2018, it was in the second round to the brunt.

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And if you look at, man, and I posted these stats the other day, you look at the career breakaway running percentage for the guys that are looking at competing for that job, right? Chuba, Miles Sanders, and Penny PERSON. Chuba's like a career 21 and a half percent breakaway runner.Miles Sanders is a career 28.3, but last year he was 21 and a half here in Carolina ORG. So that's a relatively similar skill set like we were talking about. Like they are not home run hitters. Rashad Penny is 49.7% of his career rushes have gone for 15 yards or more.

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He is a breakaway runner. He has some crazy numbers.

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And if he's only going to get 50 touches, 75 touches, all you need is seven of

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them to go for touchdowns or for 30 yards. And Tony PERSON makes fun of me for this, but this is why I say to me, this running back room is perfect because we don't have the bell cow. We have a bunch of guys that have different skill sets that can be complementary of one another. And if our O line does its job, I'm happy with any of these guys being able to eat behind our line, even Sanders PERSON. Yeah.

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I think Jonathan Brooks PERSON is a bell cow. I think that once he's healthy, I think he's a three down back. A, he's a terrific past.

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He's a terrific past protector. Yeah, yeah.

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He's terrific at past protection. He's got the best hands of anybody in the room immediately, the minute that he puts his cleats on and puts a process blue jersey on for practice, he's immediately your best receiving threat out of the back and your best pass protector. He also has a lot more wiggle and vision. He may not have the breakaway speed.I look at him almost as a poor man's Edger and James, to be honest. He can do a lot of the things that Edger and James did. He just doesn't have the 4-3-9 speed that Edger and James had. But you look at contact balance, you look at vision, you look at the ability to take a screen past 70 yards. Even if it's not for a touchdown,he will make four or five guys miss and get the most yardage that he can. That's a very similar play style, in my opinion, just not the elite version that

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Edron James was. Edron James was an all. That's the one of the last all around backs. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? There's a guy that's out there every down.

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And look, you look at the statistical comparison between Jonathan Brooks and Bejan Robinson PERSON.

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It's pretty remarkable too, man. Oh, we know. G. Baby has let us know. In fact, that is the question is if Brooks PERSON wouldn't have had that injury, would he have been a first rounder? Yeah. It's possible, man. All right. What else you want to talk about, Cody? I got some whatever, whatever. Hey, You really are dejected, aren't you?

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No, my life, my personal life is falling apart, but it's not.

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But what else we're going to talk about?

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I mean, dude, other than running back, really nothing,

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we were doing some more bubble players.

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I don't know. Is that me, forget position. Is there any other bubble player that comes to mind?

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How about Barno PERSON? Let's talk about like guys like Barno PERSON.

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Um, there's a couple of more.

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Eku Leota, like the guy that popped up as an undrafted free agent last season.

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Like, everybody really raved about him in the offseason last year.

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I'm a big ecu fan.

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I saw him in training camp.

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I saw him. I watched a lot of his Auburn ORG tape. I watched some of his stuffw fan. I saw him in training camp. I saw him.

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I watched a lot

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of his Auburn

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tape. I watched some of his stuff at, or is he Kansas Statebefore then, before he transferred. I mean, he's a good ball player. He's got serious chops.It's just, you know, a developmental thing again. Well,

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how about this? Here's a question.

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Who are we expecting more from this year?

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Calebon Chase on or Amarabarned ORG? Man.

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That's a filthy question, Cody.

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Yeah, if you look up the numbers for Caleb-Ban-Shay-San PERSON, he has not been very impressive.

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So to me, a bit impressive, bro.

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Yeah, he is. He is somebody that could be cut,

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like that could might not even make the roster if he doesn't show some kind of

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flash.

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He didn't get a large contract.

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I mean,

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that's a very easy contract to just throw to the side.

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That was a little bit telling to me when they signed that, right?

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They want to see him in camp.

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They want to see him in preseason.

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They want to see if he has anything that he didn't show.

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I would be more surprised to see him play a significant role on this team, let alone make it, that I would be to not see him on the team, if that makes sense. Amari Barnau PERSON is a guy I feel very similar about, though, to be completely honest, man. He's a sixth round pick. Like sometimes as fans, we also have to understand that when these guys are taken that late or when they don't show anything for years after being taken that late, they're notgiven the grace just because we like their RAS score.

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Like coaches are looking at them and they're saying, what can you do for me? What do you provide? Exactly. Now, Barno, I think, does have a little bit more value on special teams than Chase on. I could see him contributing a little bit more in that regard. But, man, I have a hard time

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seeing either of them being significant contributors, let alone making the 53 man roster.

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Do you think that Barno PERSON has been impacted by a lack of opportunity, though? I mean, I know that he has seen the field, but even with, I know that he has seen the field, but even with the limited action that he has seen the field, you're right, he hasn't, he hasn't shined, but there have been, as somebody mentioned in the chat,

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there has been some flashes. Sure. Well, my argument to that always is, and it's a good question, man, I think it's totally fair, right, to wonder about, like,is it a lack of opportunity or is it a lack of production? But whether you have a situation like last year, where it was a one-man circus as far as a pass rusher, and you have Amory Barnau PERSON who's supposed to have a true pass-rushing skill set and the length in the physical attributes to be a good pass-rusher, why didn't he crack that rotation to get those opportunities? Because those opportunities are earned. They're not just like handed out because you haven't had a chance, right? Like I coach my son's flag football team, but it's for four through seven year olds. Everyone has to play and everyone has to play every position. I have to rotate those kids.The NFL ORG isn't that. This coach isn't given a directive of saying, hey, you got to make sure that you know, number four over there gets in at least three or four snaps a game. These guys earn it. And if Barno PERSON's not earning that against the likes of Iku Leota PERSON and DJ Johnson last year, thattells me more about Amari Barno than it does about those other guys.

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It seems like he should fit in this system.

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You know, kind of long the outside line, you know, the stand-up edge.

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He just, Evereaux has such an emphasis on setting the edge and run defense from that secondary, second line of defense.

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And I don't know that he's terrific at that.

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So that's where I think that E.J. PERSON probably just has some trust issues.

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And that's why the, the Chase- on signing was so interesting to me too,

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because man,

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he gets run over out there.

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You know what I mean?

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Like that dude's got a slight bottom half to him,

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man.

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Yeah, he's been a real disappointment.

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Yeah, he's not a very big guy.

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Listen,

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I've said that this year,

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in 2024,

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the Carolina Panthers only have one objective, only one.

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And that's to evaluate Bryce Young PERSON.

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So to me, like, as this isn't a great answer, but I almost don't even care.

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Not that I don't care, but I don't expect anything from this defense.

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I don't think that we're going to have a good patch.

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I don't think that we're going to have a good pass. I don't think that we're going to have a good pass rush this year. I like the Judevian PERSON clowning signing, but I also see the fact that he, he's leaving the Baltimore Ravens ORG, who have one of the better D-lines and all of football. So I don't think he's going to be the same,Jadavion Clowny PERSON. I agree with you. I don't know what DJ won him is really going to be like here in Carolina ORG. And the rest of it is just a lot of question marks on top of the question marks that we already alluded to at the cornerback position. But yet, through all of it, I don't really even care because I'm not expecting much from 2024. The only thing I need to see this yearis an offense that shows a sign of life. I need to see something from this offense. And if this defense is at least able to keep us hanging around, then to me that's a majorvictory. Well, I

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think that their emphasis on run support on defense, right? Because a lot of these moves that they made are clearly to shore up that run defense because we were just obliterated in that regard last year. That also plays into the Bryce Young PERSON evaluation, in my opinion. Because if Bryce PERSON is consistently having to play from behind and he can't get into any kindof an offensive rhythm and actually, he talks about wanting to do play action, right, and marrying that from the run game well you can't you can't commit to the run game and effectively run play actions if you're down by 21 in the second quarter and and with you know three or 14 minutes essentially left to play you're going to have to completely change your offensive approach so you're not going to get a real evaluation of what brys Young can do in a true game situation if the defense is absolutely porous.So I think that they're trying to shore up that run defense to do exactly what you're asking for, Cody, and that's to keep them close in games. And then you're trusting Everson's proclivity at coming up with a good secondary game plan to be able to answer for maybe some of the shortcomings in the personnel department there. So they add in Josie Jewel PERSON.

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They add in A. Sean Robinson PERSON, right? And they say, hey, look, we're going to solidify the middle of that defense. Okay. That makes some decent sense to me. I want to see what Shy Tuttle does this year.

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I've got a huge question mark about him still being the nose tackle. That feels very uncomfortable for me personally. I don't love that still. A. Sean Robinson, I think, is going to play five technique or three technique. He's not going to be in there playing zero.

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What do you think about Cromarty PERSON? I mean, seeing his film, I think obviously he's a later round pick. But you see why they like him. The dude is strong and aggressive, and

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I think that maybe they might be looking for him to play some nose. Maybe. I think that he lacks a little bit of that girth to play nose and to handle the double teams and to occupy two blockers,but I think that he does offer a tad of that vertical pass rush from the interior, which I think is a point where we needed to improve as well. But look, that's a six round pick.That's a good flyer, right? Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying, man.

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Want to give a quick update.

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The Carolina Hurricanes and New York Rangers ORG are in overtime. Oh, damn. Tied up 3-3 right now.

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Man, the canes really need to not go back home down to games.

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Yep.

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Cody,

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sorry, I got some crap that I got to deal with. But so whatever, like, we got to do some ice up picks. I think we're taking all the calls. Ricky PERSON, I'm sorry. Well, thank you A for coming on and hanging out, number one.

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No worries, ma'am. Two,

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this is actually the first time we haven't made you stay till your eyelids just fell asleep on their own. We do one final segment, and so you can think about this as we do it, is it's our homage to Steve Smith PERSON,where we tell someone to ice up toughen up to get it together. Anyone is fair game. This is where we can go outside of football or stay in football. Let's ice up, Cody. Let's ice up.

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Ice up, son.

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Ice up, son. It's our homage to Steve Smith PERSON, where we tell someone to ice up,

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toughen up, get it together. Cody, do you got like seven for us tonight?

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No, I have one.

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Okay. Well, you go first because I don't even have a good one i hope that this is the one i thought it was yeah okay um usually no listen uh ricky if uh if you've been on

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here for any length of time i like to show videos of people on motorcycles uh just doing stupid

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shit and i like to tell people on motorcycles uh to ice up uh especially when they do a really stupid shit. And I like to tell people on motorcycles to ice up,

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especially when they do a really stupid shit, and when they

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actually need to ice up.

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And, uh, yeah,

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I don't want you to ask. Literally.

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Oh, God. Oh.

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Oh. Oh.

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Oh my God. His ass. Dude. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

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His ass is on the road.

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Oh, yeah.

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Still up.

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But you see the way he lands on the road.

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He's one of those motorcycle pants, bro.

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You know, they make pants that can survive, like, survive that.

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He didn't have them.

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He started riding that motorcycle as a guy and finished it as a bad boom.

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Yeah, that's a bad boom.

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See, Kay, do you got an ice up for us tonight?

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It's just these F around and find out.

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It's, I don't have anything in particular.

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I'm, let's just, yeah, we'll keep it.

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Get out of air a little earlier.

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All right.

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Ricky PERSON, you got one for me?

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I don't really think so, man.

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You know, if I had to pick an ice up,

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I would just say to anyone that's still upset about the draft picks, right?

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Like they're over and done with, man.

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They're on the Carolina Panthers ORG now at this point,

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whether you like the prospects coming in or not,

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whether you think that we overpick to get some of the guys or miss some of the guys you love.

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It doesn't really matter at this point, man.

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We can all agree that we didn't get every single person we wanted.

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They're Carolina Panthers ORG now.

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We're about to go into the season.

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Find some sort of happiness to grab onto and try to be optimistic about this shit show

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because last year sucked, man, and it can only go up, right? Technically, no, I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I said that shit with Matt Rule PERSON. I know. I ate. I hope so. I said that shit with Matt Rule.

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I know.

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A. My words.

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I heard it when I said it, man. I was just trying to bring a little bit of like that.

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Yeah. It's hard to go lower. I mean, I will say this. The floor is low. Yeah.There's not much more. I mean, we're in the basement. Yeah. Oh,

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by the way, shout out to JJ for the 199. Yeah.

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Thank you. The longest running a Panthers ORG pod.

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My ice up goes to Jamal Murray PERSON for having a temper tantrum and throwing a heating pack or whatever it is on the court.

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Maybe it was an ice pack.

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Yeah, I mean, but guess what?

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He's getting iced up.

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He needs one right now.

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But, I mean, just come on.

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You're a pro.

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What are you doing? Yeah. And I think they're going to have to suspend them. I think they've got to do something.

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And I don't like the NBA ORG a lot. I don't care a lot about it.

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The NBA ORG playoffs are the worst playoffs in all of the in all of sports. Hockey is the best out of all of them. Football is king. Basketball, man, they're going to be playing basketball for another two months still, it feels like.

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You know, they only hit them with $100,000 fine.

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That's it. They didn't suspend them.

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That's cool.

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All right. So that's my ice up. All right. You're listening to this three. Nobody iced up Drake PERSON. Maybe we should ice up Drake PERSON.Oh, well, you can have it. I don't know enough about these kids.

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Dude, I just up to everybody that's like, oh, now they're going too far. Dude, everybody's been wanting this beef for a better part of a day.

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They used to shoot people in the 90s.

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Yeah, but what the fuck did you think was going to happen in a hip-hop beef? Like, there was never going to be shit friendly about it.

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Now they realize they don't want it once they see what it actually starts to look like. So it could be in hypocrites. Dude, in the 90s, people actually killed people over Beaves PRODUCT. This is,

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and I can I just say as a hip hop fan, this has been a fucking crazy weekend, dude. Like, every single night, there's a brand new disc track coming out.

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And I'm like a super fan.

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So it's like, I I've this has been fucking

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so big like this is an all

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time bop okay

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that shit is my fucking jam

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my middle daughter

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is looks like me

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she's the Italian NORP baby out of the

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family but she's the one that likes and she's 13 she's the one that likes hip hop the most, I would say, right? And so I was asking her about this stuff. And, you know,her and her friends have been talking about it or whatever. And I said, all right, let's set, like, let's listen. Because I'm an old man. I mean, I still listen the same rap I listened to in 2000. Oh, yeah. I mean, I still listen to the same rap I listened to in 2000.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean, I was listening to Red Man today, I think.

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Hell yeah.

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But I said, all right, let's just play.

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Like, I don't know Drake PERSON songs.

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Like, I just don't know modern music.

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I mean, I still, my, look, I know the Jay Cole song I know is came out in 2012 with Royal ORG, whatever is like, lame ass, you know, came out in 2012 with Royal, whatever is like a lame-ass, you know, the fool me one.

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Oh, with trade songs or something like that, the can't get enough.

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Shame on me. No, fool me one, shame on you. Fool me twice.

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Fool me. Got the George Bush PERSON clip in that. No role models. Yeah, no role models. That's 12 years old.That's like the song I know by J. Cole PERSON.

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But I said, all right,

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right, right, right, right, right,

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they love to be like, let me take over the spot, you know, the phone. As soon as they get in, they're like, let me hook it up. And I said, all right, let's listen to some Drake PERSON songs on the way home.I don't know anything about it. And then let's listen to some Kendrick Lamar PERSON songs. Not the beefs, just songs. Sure. And I got to say is Kendra Lamar PERSON, I was totally,

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he's a rapper.

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He was a rapper.

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He's a all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

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So I was just, it's just, look, ice up to y'all. If you think that's a real beef, bro, look at what Tupac and Biggie did over Little Kim PERSON. I think it was Little Kim PERSON. All right.That's the C3 Panthers podcast, brought you by Carolina Cat Chronicles.com ORG. Ricky, tell them where they can find your podcast and your work, please.

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Thank you so much for your time tonight. Thank you for having me on, man. I feel bad. You know, the last time that I came on, Cody,I think you ended up being sick or something like that. You didn't feel well. Now, Tony PERSON, you got to get out of Dodge GPE.

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I know. Am I like a bad luck, Sean PERSON? You guys are going to second guess having me on here. Look,our podcast is still an hour and 40 minutes. Yeah,

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that's still pretty solid. I didn't like it. It's like it's short. You can find my podcast. It's called The Bow Body Show at any of the streaming sites that you would go to Apple, YouTube ORG, anything like that. If you hit a like and a subscribe, man, that goes a long way.I'm terrible at endorsing my own show.

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I know. You got to sell it, man. And I'm just not a salesman. You can also check out my articles for Cat Crave ORG. I put out a couple of things there every month and follow me on Twitter or X at Ricky Bow Body ORG.And anytime that I'm on C3 ORG, man, make sure you check it out. It's a great show. I always appreciate you fellas asking me to come on, man. Thank you.

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Cody, like, will you take us out of here? Yes, sir. C3 Panther Nation, the longest running Panthers ORG podcast on the internet. Because they're not like us. You pound.