Parallels between Anthony Edwards/Michael Jordan & Jalen Brunson/Derrick Rose

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Let's Go Places. I'm your host Tony Gill and along with me today, Kevin Bulldog Anderson PERSON, Bulls Stats guru, and Bulls insider Casey Johnson PERSON. Gentlemen, how are you doing?

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We're living the dream. How are you?

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Yeah, a lot of good playoff basketball.

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Oh, so much good playoff basketball.

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I always say, like, I mean, obviously the finals are great and they're the pinnacle. But I actually love the first round is my favorite because there's just multiple basketball games on every night. And especially this year, the first-round series were competitive. And I also like second round, too, because, you know, there's usually a double-hatter. Although last night there wasn't, and those games are great. I actually watch more of the first and second round sometimes than I do of the conferencefinals and finals, which sounds crazy. But, I mean, just more games. But I love these early-round series.

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I cannot wait until, and it's trending in that direction, but I cannot wait for a Minnesota, Oklahoma City GPE, West Finals.

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It's going to be incredible. Like that, the matchup there, those two teams, like that's going to be, like, to me, like the NBA ORG finals, the intensity. So not to jump ahead a little bit, but like playoff basketball is amazing. Casey PERSON, is it different for you consuming basketball as a pure fan

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in these situations versus when you're obviously on the beat covering a game, covering a team?

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I mean, I still don't really probably watch them as a fan because I mean, I'm a fan of the sport, but I'm not, you know, I've said I'm an original in an eye to team. But yeah, it's enjoyable to watch basketball without work hanging over your head. You're reminded of, you know, how great the sport is sometimes. Because when you're covering a game for work, I mean, you're focused on what you need to do, you know, and often in certain time constraints, right? And so just watching a game without having to write or tweet or, you know, talk on TV is enjoyable.And, you know, these series have been fantastic. I actually think the Indiana Knicks ORG series has been unbelievable. I mean, I think Indiana ORG you can make a case as outplayed them in a lot of ways, but they're oh-2. There's something about that New York GPE personality that we've seen many times in Thomas Divadoe PERSON coach teams that is just pulling through it in winning time. And, man, the toughness and the physicality of those Villanova ORG players,you can say it's cliche, but that chemistry is real, man. That is unbelievable stuff we're seeing from all three of those players.

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You're not getting, waking up in the middle of the night, nightmares about having to do a pool report for the,

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uh, this series. No.

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Let's,

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let's, let's talk talking about some just varying bulls connections, uh, that are in these playoffs. Obviously one of them is Tom Thibito PERSON, Chicago ORG connection,Jalen Brunton PERSON. We're going to get into that in a little bit. Uh, But first, since Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves are up to O on the defending champion, Denver Nuggets, something has gone social and viralaround the NBA ORG when people watch Anthony Edwards. And he's only 22, and this is a lot to put on the young man. But people are making the MJ PERSON comparisons with him. And obviously, you know, when I first saw him, I brushed them off because it's like, come on.Like we do this a lot. We've done this before. You know, we tried to do it with LeBron PERSON. LeBron's a completely different player than MJ PERSON. Let's just kind of cool it and just let Anthony Edwards be Anthony Edwards. But he's now winning now, and he's learning how to win.And that team is really good. And they follow behind him now that there's a pecking order where there's no discussion on who's the best player on this team in terms of him or Carl Anthony Towns PERSON. They believe, and everybody else now believes that it's Anthony Edwards. Do you guys see that there are any validity to these comparisons? Going as far as Stephen A. Smith, I think maybe a month back or Chris Bouchard, I can't remember, getting a quote from MJ PERSON saying, from MJ saying, yeah, that young man reminds me of me.Do you think there's validity to those comparisons and what he's doing in these playoffs?

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Yeah, that was Broussard. I got that quote. I mean, you know, you look at Michael's age 22 season. That was the year he broke his foot. So, and then his 23-year-old season was third season three, played all 82, finished second MVP voting, first team all-NBA, all-star, defensive player of the year was eighth. Yeah, and those both teams weren't, you know, obviously quite yet on the level that these Timberwolf ORG teams are. And obviously, Anthony Edwards has a ton of talent around him. I mean, you're seeing kind of what you're seeing. And you saw this, to me, you saw, you saw this start to form in the World Cup play where Anthony Edwards kind of emerged as, you know, kind of a two-way force that has that relentless competitor in him. You know, it's obviously too early to draw direct comparisons, but it's just getting louder, and the more they win, it's going to get louder.And the more he plays at the level he's playing, it's going to get louder. You know, MJ average 37 points this third year at age 23.

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So it started a string of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven straight scoring

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championships all over 30 points a game.

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So offensively, he's never going to get there probably just because, you know,

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obviously he's got a lot of talent around him. But in terms of just his athleticism, his impact on winning, you know, kind of his two-way doggedness, you know, you can see why people are drawn that comparison.

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I mean, this is the Anthony Edwards Ascension playoffs. Yeah. Like it is, you know, for those who maybe only check in on the NBA ORG during the postseason, don't watch during the regular season, we've known for a while he's the real deal.Certainly Bulls ORG fans know he's the real deal, but he's taking it to another level this postseason. It is absolutely joy to watch. Them winning game two without Gobert PERSON was a little bit of a shock to me. I mean, certainly how they played in game one was one thing, but for them to just kind of roll over the champs like this.I mean, this is a Vinnie Goodwill made this statement during the Suns ORG, Timber Wohl's first round, where Ant went viral for his reaction in front of Durant PERSON after a big play. And Vinny PERSON tweeted something to this fact, I'm paraphrasing here, that the transfer of power is seldom peaceful.We are seeing a power transfer in the NBA ORG among its stars, right? Like it's now, there's been a big picture discussion for the last couple years about how the NBA is going to thrive when Durant and LeBron and Steph PERSON retire. The NBA ORG is going to be just fine. They are going to be with Edwards and with SGA and with Luca, all players in their mid to early 20s, they are going to be just fine for the next decade in their hands. And so when I look at specifically and what Ant is done this postseason, now it's ironic we're talking on the Jordan PERSON comparison because he is not the player in this postseason who set a record that Jordan or tied a record,Jordan did about 40-point playoff games. That's consecutive 40-point games. That's Jalen Brunson PERSON. But getting back to Ant PERSON, like normally I'm very tiresome of comparison comments. Like I think the goat debate and all that is just, it's just debate fodder. And I think ESPN ORG sometimes leans way too heavily into that. Because to me, comparison is the thief of joy often in that situation.Certainly in terms of aspects of his game, there is some NJ's game in Anthony PERSON, right? Certainly the dunking ability, the competitive fire they seem to have. But we saw the same thing in Kobe, right? Certainly the dunking ability, the competitive fire they seem to have. But we saw the same thing in Kobe, right? Like Kobe had many aspects of Michael's game. And you could certainly make the same comparison that Anthony has many aspects of Kobe's game right now, right?Similar type players. But Edwards PERSON is just taking it to another level. He's a joy to watch. Certainly Minnesota ORG, they are, unless something dramatically goes wrong, they will beat Denver ORG. I don't see Denver come back in the series as good as they are with Jamal Murray being hobbled and just what they are doing defensively to Denver, Gobert PERSON specifically, but really collectively,the entire group. It's been awesome to watch. And Edwards PERSON specifically, this is his coming out party. Like he's on national stage and whether they advance into the NBA ORG finals or not, certainly like I mentioned a few minutes ago,that that OKC matchup with Minnesota ORG, to me, with Shea and Anthony PERSON is going to be incredible theater, an incredible watch. And so regardless of we all win, whoever wins that series and watching the NBA ORG finals. But, yeah, Edwards to me, it's got MJ PERSON in them.It's awesome to see. And this league's in a very healthy spot for the next 15 years because of guys like him.

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And to do it at 22, right?

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Like, I think that's another angle to that. Usually, you know, the mantle gets handed off, I guess, you know, around 24, 25-ish heading into your athletic prime. Like, he's not even there yet. Like, he, and theoretically, he could still grow a little bit physically. At 22, right now, the way he's just kind of going through theseplayoffs, it feels like,

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it does feel like a takeover. Like, it does feel like, you know, LeBron and KD and step, they're still playing great basketball, efficient basketball. But Anthony Edwards doesn't seem to care about any of that.None of these young guys seem to care about, you know, any of that. Shea PERSON either. They're ready to play now. And that narrative of, well, you got to, you know, bump your head a couple times, you know, gradually make it through the playoffs.

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And then when you're in your late 20s, then it's time for you to, you know, win and things that nature. The traditional way, right, that we go into these things, like we've been treating Jason Tatum, right? But Andy Edwards and Shade PERSON,they don't seem to care about any of that. And it may be youthful ignorance at this point, but whatever it is that is in those guys and specifically we're talking about

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Anthony Edwards, that they don't want to wait to achieve what they want. And it's good to see. And you're right, the NBA ORG is an excellent hands. And look, they're not perfect, right? Like, Anthony PERSON has made some mistakes on social media, things of that nature. And to some, it may have taken him off the pedestal, right? Like an NBA ORG face of the league guy.But I think by his sheer talent and his personality that I think he's forcing those narratives to change. He's not a Nike ORG player, right? The Nike players get the big pub. He's an Adidas ORG guy. So he's kind of doing it in his own way, but making sure we all know and those players, right? Like Kevin PERSON, who talks that much trash to an all-time great?Kevin Around is like a top 10 player all-time, still playing great basketball, borderline is like a top 10 player all time. Still playing great basketball. Borderline 50, 40, 90 player. And he just does not care. Like that boldness and that brashness. And he's not doing it like in a mean way.Kevin Arand PERSON is his favorite player. But he's like, when we're on the court, I'm going to take your head off. And that's something that I think that a little bit we've been missing a little bit because of the prior era of basketball where I don't know how else to put it. But, you know, guys coming together, right, to form these teams on their own, we miss a little bit of the rivalry aspect. And I think it's something that the WMBA is actually should pick up on in terms of rivalry factor because it's missing and lacking in the NBA ORG.But I think Anthony Edwards is bringing that back that I want to take you on and I want to be known as the best. And it feels like kind of like what's going on in the rap game with Drake and Kendrick Lamar PERSON. It's like these two excellent talents are matching up against each other. And they want to be known as the best. And I feel that energy coming off of Anthony Edwards.And it's such a 90s feeling that you get when I watch him. And that I miss. I miss those rivalries, right? We're going to talk about the Knicks and Pacers ORG in a little bit, but I miss those rivalries. Do you guys get that feeling when you watch himand the aggression that he plays with when he is playing up against seemingly the better talent or the better team? Well, I want to back up a little bit, Tony PERSON, to the point you made, which is an better talent or the better team.

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Well, I want to back up a little bit, Tony PERSON, to the point you made, which I think is an excellent one that the cliche and the history of the NBA ORG is teams have to learn to win in the postseason before they can really take that leap, right? Certainly we saw that with the Bulls battling the Pistons in the late 80s. Even Kobe with the Lakers ORG had to go through that. You Kobe with the Lakers had to go through that. You know, LeBron PERSON had to go through that.But we're seeing these guys don't care about what history has taught us about having to earn your playoff experience, right? Like they just have youth and energy and limbs everywhere and defensive intensity and making the right plays that like specifically the thunder and wolves they don't care what playoff experience kevin durant's had they don't care what yokech and murray have gone through in the postseason they don't carewhat lebron is done they're just about winning so they don't you know that those narratives are completely out the window. But to your point about the rivalries, that's one of the things I'm really looking forward to about seeing the wolves and thunder in the next round is because we have the potential to set up an all-time great rivalry with SGA and with Anthony PERSON in the next round, right? Now, you can't predict where those players are going to be three years from now and where those teams are going to be three years from now.But to me, this is at like these starting stages of what could be in all-time or in terms of rivalries in the Western Conference, given where those players are. Now, there's a lot more goes into it. I mean, Minnesota ORG's got ownership issues and what they're going to do with their situation. I mean, talk later.But, like, just the pure kind of aspect of watching these players go at it is fantastic. And, I mean, it's ironic. We're also getting, like, Nick's Pacers ORG again, right? Like, it was always the battle between those two teams to see who was going to play the

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Bulls ORG and lose to the Bulls, right? Yeah, he was going to lose to the Bulls, right? But yeah,

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I mean, like rivalries make the sport better, right? Like one of the reasons that like wrestling is so

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popular is because you've got like these these personalities involved in it right um so when you've got

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these bigger than life personalities who maybe publicly don't like each other um like your your whole thing about like kendrick and drake is great comparison right like it's obviously taken over culture in the last couple weeks um i truly don't know if they hate each other. They may. I really get the sense. Kendrick really truly hates Drake PERSON.But at the same time, like, they could be all just for show. Like, it's show business, right? So you get the sense of, like, rivalries make sport better. They make everything better. And not just from a team versus team though that is that is part of it. Like when you get a team that plays each other several times in a short span in the postseason,like it's truly back and forth and not one-sided, you get a big rivalry there. I mean, even going back to like the Bulls, Knicks, Bulls Pacers ORG, they were still rivalries. Jordan PERSON always won, but they were still rivalries. So yeah, it's better for everybody. And I am starting to get the sense of that, right? Like even with the Knicks ORG Pacer series, both these teams should be perennial playoff contenders for the next several years, given their roster and given their youth and the players. So like Nick's Pacers and what we're getting right now, there's no reason we're not going to get those two teams on a collision coursefor the next several years in the Eastern Conference ORG. And that's good for the league. Like the NBA is healthy when the Knicks ORG are in the playoffs. They're also healthy when the Bulls ORG are in the playoffs, but that's out of rock control.

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Also, may I quickly be the voice of reason and say that Oklahoma City and Minnesota ORG won nothing, we're taking this one. Minnesota is up 2-0. I'm now granted with two road victories, and then O.K.C. is up 1-0 against a hobbled, Luca Dachich PERSON. But long series to go, gentlemen, I always have to point that out. It's not the Western Conference Finals EVENT yet.

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Come on, Casey PERSON. Buy it. Buy into this, Casey. I agree, would be a great matchup, but let's see how

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Speaking of which, let's switch over to that series, Pacers Nix ORG, and Jalen Brunson and Tom Thibito, obviously, to Chicago ORG, and then, DiBiro, obviously, the Chicago Bulls ORG connection. And, you know, we're a Bulls-Centry podcast. So we're finding our angles here. The first one was Jordan PERSON.Now we're talking about Tibbs and Brunton PERSON. So I don't know what I expected from Jalen Brunson PERSON, you know, over his career once he got to the NBA ORG. It was not this. It was not this. I did not see this coming.I would fancy myself as an avic NORP basketball watcher, college basketball watcher, you know, homeless man's version of a scout, where, you know, I try and predict how these guys will fit in the NBA ORG.But there's no way I saw what Jalen Branson PERSON was going to become. And him making that move, I thought him going to Dallas and what he did with Luca PERSON was perfect for him. But him taking that a step further and saying, I don't need Luca PERSON. I can do this by myself in a city that was starving for it. I was like, okay. But it kind of turned into like James Hardin and Houston GPE, you know, over there.Like, I don't know how many people believe James could do what he did in Houston after he left OKC GPE. And Jalen PERSON has, I've just been impressed. He has wowed me every step of the way. And like you mentioned Bulldog PERSON earlier, when we talked by Anthony Edwards, getting into rare air with back to back 40 plus playoff games that he did.Like with not, you know, he's a smaller guy. He's a smaller guy. He doesn't, you know,he's not super athletic. I don't think I've ever seen him dunk. But he's finding a way to get it done efficiently. And in the matchup between Tom Thibito PERSON and him, it's reminiscent of how those Thibito Bulls teams were built where you had this great score in Derek Rose PERSON. And obviously, you know, they're both from Chicago ORG, which makes it even funnier.But having that team built around a great score and you have the rest of the guys that are, you know, either a three-born shooter or just a dog on defense, it feels like he rebuilt his best team in terms of Tom Thibito and brought it to New York GPE. And I've been enjoying their run and the series specifically because I still feel that Bulls connection with the Knicks ORG because of how they're built and who's helming them.

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Yeah, the toughness and the physicality really look familiar. And the next man up mentality, I mean, you've obviously got a situation last night where they overcome, you know, losing Brunson PERSON for a quarter and a half and now losing NNobie, which potentially could stretch out here with it because hamstrings are tricky.And they're just no one blinks. I mean, you know, there's so many similarities. Josh Hart has now played four, 48 many games in the playoffs. I mean, in that 2013 run where the Bulls were without Derek PERSON and others that last the two rounds, Jimmy Butler played five complete games. And it's just, you know, these guys just don't blink.That's what jumps out to me. But as far as Jalen, I've said this before on this podcast. I first met Jailen PERSON when he was seven years old. So this has been wild for me to watch this ascension. And I've been around a long time and in a lot of different situations. I went to a couple of his high school games because I've known his father for a long time. I will say I did not maybe see this offensive ceiling. But I did see his, I did see him being able to impact winning at this level because that's just who he's been in his whole career.And I know it's simplistic to say, but, you know, state championship in high school, national championships in college, gold medal in USA ORG basketball on the youth teams. And to me, him being off that Olympic EVENT team is a huge oversight. And I think he'll be an injury replacement if Kauai Leonard PERSON or somebody else isn't able to go. Because he's really, he really wants me on that team. And he's committed to USA ORG basketball before. So I did see this impact on winning.And I, to this day, I'm shocked he dropped to the second round. That was the year the Bull has drafted Chandler Hutchison PERSON and promised him in the first round, which, you know, there was some method to their madness in the sense that they felt like they were set at point guard. But Brunson PERSON, to me, is just a basketball player and a winner, and he wanted to play here. I've said that before. I've written that before. He wanted to be a Chicago Bull ORG.So, you know, the Bulls ORG weren't the only team to miss on him. He dropped in the second round. And the last thing I'll say is, like, don't think he doesn't have motivation in this series because, you know, he barely played in his last game in the Dallas uniform, game seven. He was, you know, got very low playing time. I mean, he's got a lot of respect for Rick Carlisle,but obviously knew he could achieve more than what he's achieving now. Rick Carlisleau is coach in Dallas and obviously now as a coach in Indiana ORG. And then, you know, he sees Tyre PERSON, he looks across his matchup and there's Tyrese Halliburton on the Olympic EVENT team and he's not. And it goes beyond that. I meaniburton on the Olympic team, and he's not. And it goes beyond that. I mean, he just wants to win any basketball game he's in.But there's some subplots here that are fueling, Jalen PERSON, for sure. I can say that with a lot of confidence.

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Casey, you're getting me mad again on this Thursday morning. I'll record this reminding me about Hutchinson PERSON.

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The Bulls had two picks that year, right, in the first round?

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Was Hutchinson the second pick?

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I'll look it up real quick.

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Yeah. They all run together. Come on, you know that.

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I know. That just makes me mad that, you know,

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you could have had a guy.

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No, Carter. Wendell Carter PERSON. But I mean, that's the lottery pick.

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And, you know, Brunson won to the second round.

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But the Chandler won in 22 is the miss.

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Could have been. What could have been big what if there. What I appreciate about Brunson PERSON, he showed flashes of the player that we're seeing right now in Dallas ORG. But he certainly has taken that scoring to a whole other level. I'll borrow from boxing a little bit here.He is pound for pound one of the best players in the league. He, what I really appreciate about Brunson PERSON is he uses his seemingly disadvantage and makes it an advantage. He is very physical. The bull saw that firsthand when they played him. Like he will very slyly drop his shoulder,uses physicality to make space to get a shot.

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A bowling ball. Get an open shot. Really is. He's a bowling ball out there. It's exactly right. But Tony PERSON, to what you said earlier,to get what four straight 40-point games in the playoffs out of him, I did not see that coming. That's incredible. And even getting back to the Knicks overall, they are doing this short-handed. I mean, how many injuries have they dealt with this season? How many injuries are they dealing with right now? You know, even I think T&T ORG broke out the WillisReed video last night at one point or the broadcast with Brunson. So,, yeah, it's it's awesome. It's awesome to see any, any Chicago ORG kid who's thriving in the playoffs. I think we should all be proud of. It's, it's fantastic. And to the point of Thibodeau and coaching this team and Josh Hart, this is this is like the 2.0 version of Thibodeo PERSON. Like it's it's kind of like Thibodeau PERSON ascending a little bit too, right? Like there was there's always been a big knock on the Thibbido Bulls was he rides his guys too hard. And when it comes to the postseason, they just can't get over that home.And I don't necessarily think that we're going to see the Knicks in the NBA ORG finals. Certainly if the Inobie injury stretches on, it's going to make it really tough against Boston ORG in the next round. And yes, I am penciling Boston into that series, Casey PERSON early. But it's going to be difficult for them. Do I think get past Boston ORG overall? But it's still fantastic to watch.And Brunson individually, I would like to see him on the Olympic EVENT team. I think that would be a good honor for him. And you're right, Casey PERSON.

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I hope that he is the first player that is an injury replacement, regardless of position for anybody that maybe can't play this summer in Paris GPE. So, yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome to watch. Like, playoff basketball in Paris. So yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome to watch. Like, playoff basketball is fantastic. Even as us as Bulls ORG observers and Bulls fans and we obviously know we haven't seen a lot of playoff basketball in the last several years. In fact,it was just reminded, well, was it a day ago, two days ago, that the Derek Rose PERSON game winner in the playoffs against Cleveland GPE was the last time the Bulls ORG won a home playoff game was that was that moment. So like you read you read stuff like that and you're like, oh God, this has been a little bit of a drought, right? But like it's good to see Brunson and what he's doing. He's fantastic. Great to watch. He's got a ton of heart. No pun intended, as you can see with the way he plays.And the Knicks ORG, you know, it's awesome. Like, Casey, what you said earlier is I think overall, for 48 minutes of both games, I think Indiana ORG has been the better team. You know, certainly like you get back to game one, I thought that I would have loved to have seen that final possession by Indiana ORG without the moving screen called, which I think was abad call. Like, it would have loved to have seen what would have developed on that play because it looked like Halliburton ORG was going to, you know, take a, you know, potential game winner there. But, hey, the Knicks ORG are just finding ways to win. That's what good teams do. Like, it doesn't matter what calls go your way. Yeah, have they gotten some help from the refs?It seems like it, right? But at the same time, they just, that's what teams do. You're not going to apologize for having a call go your way. But in game two, they did everything right. Like, they played the way they needed to down the stretch. They kept Indiana ORG at bay, even with the nobi out. And, you know, it's just,it's collectively great team effort by that. I mean, good, good for Thibodeau PERSON. I mean, when he was not coaching, you know, I always thought, okay, where is he going to land? Where is it going to make sense? And he's thrived in New York GPE, which is a very difficult town to play and coach in with the amount of tension they get. And yeah, it's good to see. I'm happy for him.

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I got one more Jalen Brunson PERSON-Bulls connection because we say that the Bulls ORG missed on him, but I said, as I said before, many other teams did, Jalen Brunson went 33rd in the second round of the Dallas Mavericks ORG. Guess who went 32nd at the same position to Memphis in the 2018 NBA ORG draft?Gosh, who was that? Bob Carter PERSON.

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Oh, wow. Okay. There you go. That's a good connection, Casey PERSON.

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So the Bulls weren't the only teams to miss on Jalen Brunson because John Carter's had a nice little NBA career, but it's not Jalen Brunson's PERSON level.

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I had one more thing on Jalen Brunton

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before we move on to some other topics that we want to get to.

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Our friend and colleague, Joe Cowley PERSON,

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Oh, God. You're going here, aren't you?

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Has been pounding the table all over social media

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during this Knicks ORG run that Jalen Brunson

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is a better player than Derek Rose

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and will ultimately be in the Hall of Fame before Derek Rose PERSON. And obviously that ignited a fire amongst Bulls Nation ORG on social media. And we love Joe PERSON. This is a Joe PERSON positive podcast here.Gentlemen, your thoughts about the direct comparison between Brunton and Rose PERSON. Obviously, Rose has an MVP, but Brunson PERSON's run right now, it feels on par. I don't know if I'd say he's better than Rose PERSON right now, but he's certainly making an argument. I can't be as definitive as Joe PERSON about it.

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And I think Callie actually made a point to say better than Prime Rose PRODUCT, right? Like the best version of Rose PERSON we ever saw.

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That Brunson right now is better than the best version of Rose PERSON. Right. Now, he wasn't necessarily saying the collective with injuries and all that. He was definitively saying the best version of Rose, Brunson PERSON's better.

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Casey PERSON, I cannot wait to get your thoughts on this. Are you really going here?

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I mean, come on. Yes, we are.

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I mean, don't we know Joe PERSON's Twitter personality at this point?

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Yes, right?

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Why are we engaging?

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Here's the thing. Like, I guarantee you Joe PERSON believes it, too.

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So, but he also does it to rile up people and instigate people. Come on. Joe PERSON's a very good friend of mine. I would just say this.

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I don't see an MVP on Jaylon Brunson's PERSON mantle. That's all I'll say.

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I mean, it's a dumb, it's a dumb discussion, you know. The careers aren't full, complete.

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He's saying that, well, actually, that's not, I can take that part out because what he's saying is that Jalen Brunson PERSON right now is better than Prime Derek Rose, to which I say, I'm not even sure Jalen Brunson would believe that. I got it.

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Jayland's got a lot of respect for Derek Rose PERSON,

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and Derek Rose won an MVP WORK_OF_ART, and you can say it's flawed all you want. LeBron should have won it that year, blah, blah, blah. Derek Rose as an MVP, Jalen Brunson PERSON does not. They're both spectacular players. Jalen Brunson might ultimately have a better NBA career. He might stay injury-free. You can't judge Derek PERSON's careerwithout factoring in the injuries. All I know is that the Bulls Wet led the NBA ORG in regular season victories for two straight years with Derek Rose PERSON as their best player. The Knicks did not lead the NBA in victories this year. And Jalen Brunson finished fifth in MVP voting this year in having his best season. Derek Rose won an MVP WORK_OF_ART with his best season. So to me, it's not, it's not an argument.Derek Rose in this prime is better than Jalen Brunson PERSON. That's my opinion. Drop the mic, KC PERSON.

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You're exactly.

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I mean, you know, I mean, they're not going to have their own opinion, you know.

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You know, Joe PERSON gets into the weeds of like higher IQ, you know,

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smarter player, more impactful on winning.

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I don't know, man.

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The Bulls won 62 games in 2010-11.

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That's a lot of games to win.

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And Derek PERSON was the MVP of that team and the league.

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So I don't know, man.

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Now you got to be riled up.

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Just like you get me fired up with Hutchison being picked ahead of Brunson PERSON.

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You're getting fired up with Cali.

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But you know what? That was Callie PERSON's intention.

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That's why he puts it out there on Twitter. He does things very purpose. But he really believes it. He likes it.

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He really believes it, too.

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Oh, I don't think he's just as well.

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Joe is Joe is, uh, Joe's, Joe's had some history with Derek PERSON and has taken some shots at

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Derek over the year. So. Yeah.

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I mean, he's not being, I don't think disingenuous at all. No. But he also likes to, as he says, drop a grenade down the hole every once in a while to see what happens. And that's intention. So, Joe PERSON, good for you for doing that. You got people fired up.But I'm with Casey PERSON. I mean, certainly this stretch that we're seeing from Brunson with the four straight 40-point games is impressive. But to everything, every point Casey just made, I don't see how you can definitely say right now that this version of Brunson is better than the prime best version of Rose PERSON we saw for all the reasons he just listed. Yeah.

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I mean, just how players, like how many, you know, podcast clips do we get every month about a veteran retired player talking about what people felt going up against prime rose the rose flew yes yeah the rose flew like oh i bet you're sick like Raymond PERSON felt and rip hamilton like the list goes on of many players talking about prime rose and what it was like going against them so um i i'm going to disagree with Joe PERSON as well. Like we have rarely seen a talent like Derek Rose PERSON at the peak of his powers in the history of the NBA ORG.And I'm just going to leave it at that. Just a couple more things we want to get into. The MVP has been named. And it is Nicole Yokic of the Denver Nuckets ORG. Casey PERSON's guy won. Again, winning his third MVP WORK_OF_ART, and when it came out, I tweeted, I was like,oh, I'm going to love this now because now he's entered a conversation in terms of all-time grates that I think people didn't want to put him in, even though we all saw the talent and what didn't want to put him in, even though we all saw the talent and what he was doing to put him in these conversations of all-time big man and now really an all-time player in the history of the NBA ORG. And I think for some people, it's going to make a lot of people uncomfortable having toput him in these conversations. And I can't wait to see him squirm because he's giving him less and less to talk about. Now, this playoff run, if they lose, you know, in this fashion that it's looking like, they may have, you know, a little bit of something. But overall, winning a third MVP WORK_OF_ART, I mean, what, that's, that's MJ, that's Kareem. Not a lot. Russell PERSON.

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LeBron PERSON. LeBron.

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Like that's the rarity that we're talking about with three

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MVPs here.

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So one, did he deserve it for you guys? Shaq told him to his face that he thought that Shay should have won this year's MVP WORK_OF_ART. But the voters, just when you look at the numbers, it was overwhelming. He wasn't unanimous, obviously, but they really thought that Yolkage was the MVP this year. And based on the numbers, they didn't, Shea PERSON didn't have a chance.

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You got me going down to Derek Rose versus Jalen Brunson PERSON, advanced stats, rabbit

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hole. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. Okay. You want to further your argument? Is that what you're

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saying? No, I mean, actually, you know, Jalen PERSON's advanced stats are fantastic, and they're actually, they're close to Derek's 2010-11 in MVP season, but they're not, they're not there. I mean, Derek's win shares are 13.1. Jalen's are 11.2. I mean, you can have fun with this all day long. Anyway, I digress. But the reason I bring up advanced stats is this is why I, at the time that ourguy Bulldog, anointed Luca Dotsch, the MVP of the 23, 24 season. I said, hold your horses, pun intended for a guy in Nicole Yokic PERSON who loves his horses, that Yokic PERSON has advanced stats, always to me screamed the most valuable player. I think the voting voters got it right. I did not have a ballot this year. If I did, I would have had it exactly as constructed with a potential swing vote for Tatum over Brunson PERSON. That would have been a close one for fifth. But I think they got the top three right.And I think it's cool that SGA finished second because I place a huge emphasis on winning. And obviously Oklahoma City got the number one seed. Look, Donchich PERSON had an amazing season. And you take them off that team in Dallas ORG is not a good team. But you could say the same about the two guys that finished ahead of them.It was a loaded field this year. To me, there were six guys worthy of being on that ballot, and there's only five spots for it with Yannis fourth, and then Brunson or Tatum fifth.I just think Yokic PERSON is the best player on the planet, and you know, his advanced stats bear that out, and i think the voters got it right and uh there's a reason why um he's entering rare error because i think he's the

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best player in the world uh tony to your point about like that conversation right like the thing is yoghig PERSON doesn't do anything loud he He's got some amazing passes, maybe loud passes, loud assists, but at the same time, he doesn't do any thunderous dunks. He's got a couple notable,impressive threes in his career, but he's not hitting consistently 28-footers like Steph or Dame PERSON, and he's not doing chase down blocks like LeBron PERSON. But at the same time, he is an incredible, amazing basketball player. Amazing as a playmaker. He knows where all of his teammates are on the floor at any given second.It's part of what makes him just incredible. Yeah, he's now one of the all-time greats. If he wasn't before, he certainly is now. And I don't think players necessarily need the hardware to validate, you know, where they are in the tier list or whatever you want to call it. But at the same time, Yolkich PERSON is incredible.You know, when I think it comes to the specific MVP vote of this year, you know, I don't have a vote, but I personally give more weight to the discussion of what would a team be like without that player on it. How valuable are they to that team? And that's why maybe I value Donchich PERSON a little bit more in that conversation. But at the same time, the voters didn't get it wrong, right?Like, he deserved to be MVP WORK_OF_ART. Denver ORG is an incredible team, and they are an incredible team in large, large part because of him and who he is as a player. What I do think is an interesting part of the discussion about MVP WORK_OF_ART now. We now are on a very incredible run of non-American players winning MVP WORK_OF_ART. Hardin is the last American player player win MVP in 2007-18.We've had Janus for two straight, Yokic PERSON for two straight, and Bede, and now Yokic again. And that just really speaks to where this game is internationally. And honestly, it goes back to, you want to bring it back to the Bulls, it goes back to the Jordan effect and basketball in the 90s. And like we are seeing the fruits of those trees planted 30, 40 years ago now in the international game and just how never before in this league's history have we had so many high quality international players playing the league. And so like where Yokic PERSON is is part of that. And Janus PERSON is part of that. And it's a, it's really good to see.And even like even you go to the Canadian route, you got great Canadian players playing in, which, you know, going back 30 years, how many notable Canadian players were there playing in the NBA ORG? So, yeah, it's kind of like this golden era of basketball a little bit. I know there are a lot of old heads who don't necessarily like the current version of what we're seeing out of the NBA ORG, like all fences and systems and they obviously reliant on three-point shooting, which Bulls ORG please change things. But it's still a great game to watch.Like, I love the game. I love this current version, basketball that we're saying. It's a little bit cookie cutter, which, you know, you could argue Steph PERSON was one of the main reasons for that with the league right now. But the international play's fantastic. And Yokic PERSON himself is just an incredible, incredible player, despite him likely not advancing past Minnesota ORG in this

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round. To your point, I mean, even if he didn't win MVP, a Canadian NORP would have won MVP in Shay Gilders-Alexander PERSON. So the internationalness of basketball is really something, I don't know, should Americans NORP be concerned that, you know, that we haven't won an MVP WORK_OF_ART at basketball in that long? Like, I knew it's been a while. And if I would have thought about it, I would have been like, yeah,Hardin PERSON was the last one. But just to actually kind of point that out and name each year leading up to this year that an American player hasn't won an MVP WORK_OF_ART, who would be, would Anthony Edwards be your guess is the next one? Oh, to win.

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That's a good, yeah, I'd say that's probably likely right now. Like, is Tatum going to be able to put up flashy enough numbers to win one? I don't know. Like, you get back to like-Tatom.

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That's the thing. I don't know if people are necessarily like Tatum.

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You think it's a likability issue with him? I think it's, I think it's one, he'll with him I think it's I think it's one

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he'll never have the this is his team because of Jalen Brown I think he's being penalized

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and the other I think he's being penalized for that and I will give him that because it's not really style of play I mean he's athletic long you can do all the things you know know, offensively inside, outside. He wins in the regular season.

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Yeah, he wins a lot. I think he's won his whole career. But I think that may hinder him more than anything is you're just paired. He's paired with a great talent. And it's not really defined whose team it is on the Celtics ORG. And I think that makes voters happy when there's a pecking order of things that they can kind of point out to versus trying to piece together.Well, you know, Tatum, you know, he does this much better than like it's just easier for people to be like that guy is the best player on his team. And he gets to be in this conversation. So, honestly, until I think they break up that grouping, I don't know if he ever have a realistic chance of winning MVP WORK_OF_ART, unless he just goes on an amazing, you know, scoring run.

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I think to your question, I think Edwards is the most likely next American NORP MVP. But like the concern question is more to do with the Olympics EVENT. Like the team USA ORG should be concerned, right? Like the dominant run they had with the dream team beyond, like international play has never been higher right now collectively. So, you know, like they have a stacked Olympic EVENT team and I think they certainly are gold medal favorites but the same timethere's a lot of really good teams out there like they may not necessarily win gold I do think

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in closing I do think it's a while that we spent this entire podcast and we barely mentioned the Celtics I mean I think they're getting a little overlooked in these playoffs. They can very well win this championship, you know, and Jason Tatum might get some flowers that way.

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Nobody believes them. It's weird.

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No, here's the thing for me, they are like they're a afterthought in terms of they've been so dominant this year that they, like, to me,

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the current version of the Knicks ORG, semi-healthy version of the Knicks ORG, pastures, it doesn't matter. Like you pencil Boston ORG and then be a finals, right? Like they're almost boring in the sense of how much they're winning and how much they're winning by.Like there's no drama involved with Boston ORG right now. They've been that dominant all year long. They were heads and tails, the best team in the regular season in the league. They are continuing that run, you know team in the regular season in the league. They are continuing that run,you know, aside from one Miami ORG hiccup game there. But like when they needed to, they just said, I don't care if you've got the best coach in the league. We're going to roll over you and we did.And so Boston ORG, to me, is an afterthought. Like, I am penciling them in the NBA ORG finals. And I don't see other than an injury to one of their star players, like basically Tatum or Brown, I don't see how they would lose to either New York or Indiana ORG.Agreed.

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Also, we spent the entire podcast and didn't mention the draft lottery, so we should at least acknowledge it's Sunday.

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Yes, why we close with that?

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Bulls have a 9.4% chance for a top four pick and a 2% chance at a number one pick.

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So get your excitement and your ping pong balls ready.

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Sunday night on ESPN, the NBA ORG draft lottery.

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Yeah, it's in Chicago ORG.

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Yeah.

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Are you going to go behind the scenes?

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Have they chosen who's going to be in the room with taking the phones away and is actually

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going to witness the actual real lottery?

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Yeah, I mean, that's a long process.

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So if you got an invite, you have already gotten it.

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I did not get what.

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I've been in that room many times.

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I don't need to be there again.

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It's in case for fans that don't maybe fully grasp and understand it,

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is that when the picks are revealed to the TV audience,

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this is not the lottery itself. It's several, a couple hours after the actual ping pong balls literally have been picked, correct? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's done like a thing 90 minutes before. I can't remember. I've been in the room three times. It's an incredible, yeah, and then it's revealed as part of a TV special, but the actual procedure is witnessed by journalists and executives and league officials and accounting first.

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Yeah. Well, well before in a back room at the event. So, yeah, it's on the up and up. I can just tell you that. It's on the up and up.

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Who were the three teams that won the lottery each of those times you were there? Do you remember? Come on, man.

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One of them was like 2000.

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I can't remember that.

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The only one I remember for sure of the three times was when New Orleans jumped up to get Zion in the Zion draft because Alvin Gentry was the Pelicans ORG representative in the back room. And he ran around the room finding every reporter saying, you need to interview me? He was so excited.

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I mean, he literally came up to me.

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He's like, you want to talk to me? I'm like, sure. He was excited. And he mean, he literally came up to me. He's like, you want to talk to me? I'm like, sure. He was excited.

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And he can't say a word.

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Like, you guys have your phones confiscated when you go in that room, right? Yeah, yeah. So you're just taking notes like old school reporters. And, yeah, I mean, it was great. But, yeah, that's the only around remember for sure.

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Despite the quality, right, of the draft, getting a top four pick still means something that you can add a talent to your roster. They are able to do that and get a top four pick and maybe defy the odds and get a top two or number one pick. What does that do for this buildup?Yeah.

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You almost said rebuild that.

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I almost said it.

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I almost said it.

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What does that do for their plans, you guys,

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if they have that high of a draft pick and have the chance of getting that high of a talent,

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does it change plans? I mean, I wouldn't want to see what happened with Patrick Williams PERSON, where it wasn't enough room for them to grow on an individual level because of the competitive nature of what they wanted to do. I just wouldn't want to see that same mistake repeated, but it feels like it will happen again regardless of who they drafted.

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Well, I'll say it's like obvious, I mean, this is simplistic, but the higher you go, the more opportunities and possibilities you have. I mean, not only in terms of adding somebody, but also trade opportunities. You know, it's not a loaded draft, but if you, you know, four is better than 11. That's just obvious.

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One is better than 11.

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That's where they're currently slotted is 11. So it's just the higher you go, the more opportunities and possibilities that are open to you. So that's how I'd answer that. But, you know, let's do the math. What did I say? 9.4% chance.

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So that's a 81 or 80.6%, no, 90.6% chance that they're going to stay at 11.

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So let's keep it in perspective.

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And they technically could drop too as well.

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So I think this is widely viewed by most draft analysts and scouts that this is not a major impact draft.

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Like there is no franchise changing player like Wembe PERSON at the top of this draft. But certainly to Casey PERSON's point, the higher you pick, the more options you have to get it right, certainly if they stay at 11, I'm very intrigued by the potential of Zach Edie being drafted by the Bulls at that spot.I think Kevin O'Connor, the ringer, has Edie going like 18th. So that may be a little bit of reach. By the same time, we've talked in the past about the potential for Drummond PERSON not returning and the need for defensive bigs in this lineup. And so certainly Eadie PERSON would fit that role. But yeah, it's certainly like to your question, Tony PERSON, I don't think winning the lottery,either moving up the top four, even picking first overall. I don't think winning the lottery, either moving up the top four, even picking first overall, I don't think it fundamentally changes the game, right? It's not like the Spurr is getting Wemby, completely changed their entire trajectory of where they're going to be for the next 15 years because they got Wembe PERSON in the draft. I don't think there is a player of that impact here. But certainly, like in any draft, even down years,you're going to get potential to get players who are going to be major starters impact. Like there will be all stars coming out of this year's draft, right?

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So, like, yeah, the potential is there to get a big time player.

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But fundamentally, it's not going to change what is happening. What they do in July will not change by what happens in the draft lottery Sunday. All right.

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That's all we got. That was a jam-packed episode for you guys.

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I thought we were going to go like 20 minutes and look at this.

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We thank you guys for sticking with us for enjoying this Marathon of a Bulls Hug WORK_OF_ART podcast. Brought to you by Toyota ORG, let's go places. Casey PERSON, what do you have lined up for the folks written wise?

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Well, so today was the last of our player profile series. Dail and Terry is on our website, finishing eight player profiles where I took a look at their 23, 24 season and also kind of what's ahead. It was the top eight rotational players minus Andre Drummond PERSON,who I don't expect to return. So you can check out that series at NBCSportsChicago.com and then I'll have a lottery preview on Friday, including hopefully, who's going to be representing the Bulls ORG on the dais.Ooh. So there you go.

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Make sure you are on NBC Sports Chicago and following Casey Johnson PERSON at Casey J. Hoop and follow Bulls Talk ORG at NBCS Bulls ORG to make sure we get you get all that information as soon as it comes out.So for Casey Johnson PERSON, for Kevin Bulldog Anderson, I'm Tony Gill. Thank you for listening to the Bullsalk ORG podcast. Please light, rate, review five stars. We appreciate it. And we'll catch you guys next week.Peace.