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Bridgeton, the official podcast is a production of Shondaland in partnership with IHeartRadio. Welcome to Bridgerton ORG, the official podcast, your exclusive peek behind the curtain of Shandaland's Bridgerton series. I'm your host, Gabby Collins, Paul and Stan, and your guide through season three. I'm so excited to be back, kicking off a new season of the official podcast. I don't know about you, but I already binged all of part one. As you wait, like me with Bated Breath, for part two to drop on June 13th,you're going to want to join us here each week as we spill the tea and dissect the regal brilliance in each episode of part one. We have tons of incredible guests and juicy behind the scenes details from the cast and crew that bring you this iconic show. Today, you'll hear from the extremely talented and thoughtful showrunner Jess Brownell and some of our talented costume design team, John Glacier, Dougie Hawks, and George Sayer PERSON. But before we hear from them, let's recap episode one, out of the shadows.

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Dearest gentle reader, we have been apart for far too long.

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At last, London's fashionable set has made its return, And so too has this author.

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Okay, so Colin PERSON returns from his travels abroad, effortlessly charming the ladies with his new

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Indiana Jones chic style. Penelope PERSON watches wistfully from behind a bush, still crushing. Plus, Colin PERSON in that carriage scene, ugh, swoon. Francesca Bridgerton is making her debut this season, but she's a touch blaze about the whole thing, playing a funeral march on the piano. As she struggles to envision her future, her sister Eloise is donning Ruffles, Ruffles, and embracing her femininity. She proclaims to Colin PERSON that she has joined the winning side.She's even made an unexpected friend, Cressida Cowper PERSON. Lady Danbury hosts the first ball of the season, and Penelope PERSON wows the crowd, unveiling a stunning emerald gown based on the latest of French NORP fashion, Goodbye Yellow WORK_OF_ART.She even catches Colin PERSON's eye. But despite her outward transformation, she chases off a few bachelors with her

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awkward small talk. Things are looking up when Penelope PERSON seems to be hitting it off with a mysterious new bachelor, Lord Debling PERSON. But in the end, she runs out of the party crying when Cressida PERSON rips her dress and sabotages her blossoming connection. Colin meets Penelope PERSON outside and they make a deal. He'll give her lessons on how to court men. It'll be their secret.This pair is bound to spend more time alone as the season unfolds.

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Oh my goodness.

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Episode one dives in head first, setting up a slew of different meaningful threads. We already have multiple glow-ups, tension, secrets, scandals. So what better way to kick off this season of the podcast than a conversation with Jess Brownell, the showrunner for season three of Bridgeton GPE, and the writer for episode one. I sat down with her to talk about the decision to focus on pollen this season for all you book readers out there who are like, wait a minute, what? Her journey to showrunner and the theme set up in this episode that we should be looking out for. theme set up in this episode that we should be looking out for. Jess Brownell.Hello. It's so nice to see you. We meet again. So I'm sure you've seen some folks on social ask like, what's up with the order of things? And why are we doing Penelope and Colin this season versus another sibling,

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right? Why? Any sibling, you know? Any could have been Hyacinth, Gregory PERSON. They're not clamoring for

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Benedict PERSON, right? Please. Yeah. But why? Why did you all decide to do pollen? I totally understand why

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people were super excited to see Benedict PERSON.

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That would be the natural order that the books would take.

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But Benedict PERSON is this really impulsive, passionate character.

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And we just felt like it was too soon to see him settle down.

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We feel like he has more adventures in him.

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So we're going to get to see a bit of that this season.

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As far as Penn and Colin, they've been on our screens for two seasons. We know them. We've watched them. And we've known that Penn has this major crush on Colin PERSON. It seems in many ways like almost everyone else knows it too. You know, Marina PERSON spotted it. I think mostly just us as poor, yeah, us as viewers, we really spotted it. And I think we started feeling like we couldn't wait for too much longer before Colin starts to realize that Penelope PERSON has feelings for him. It felt like we might start getting a little bit frustrated with him.So instead, we wanted to push their dynamic in a new direction, let him realize that she has feelings, let him start to realize that in fact, he might have feelings for her and play out that dynamic.

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Well, there you have it, y'all. Don't be upset. And I also feel like, I mean, we get to still see more of Benedict PERSON in a way so that whenever his time does come, we can really get into it with his storyline.

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100%. For the Benedict PERSON stands out there, I would just say, if you love him, I think it's actually a great thing that we've pushed his season out. It means that we get him for longer on our screens. And we get to see him, you know, have lots more adventures, lots more fun. And he's, yeah, he's getting up to some fun hijinks this year.

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Yeah. I think it'll be good.

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For our listeners, if you don't mind. Can you just tell a little bit more about your trajectory at Shonda Land ORG? I've realized as I've done interviews that I keep dating myself by saying exactly how long it's been. So I'll just say many moons ago, I started as the assistant to Betsy Beers, who is Shonda PERSON's producing partner. And I remember doing the interview with Betsy PERSON and in her office, you know, bright, bushy-eyed right out of college telling her, I want to be a showrunner someday. But I don't know that I really believed it was ever going to happen because, you know, it's rare to even get a show on television, to get staffed, to be able to show run, to be able to show run a show likeBridgerton. So I feel very lucky to be here. I went from being Betsy PERSON's assistant to being a researcher on scandal, to being staffed on scandal, to writing on inventing Anna and then Bridgetton ORG,

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which I've been with from the beginning. And so tell me about that moment of what it was like to finally step into the showrunner shoes for season three.

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I'll say, I think the moment for me when everything got to be very real was a few months, maybe a couple months before production started. I had a Zoom call with Nicola and Luke PERSON where I pitched them the season all in one go just to kind of give them a heads up of what to expect. And it was the first time anyone who wasn't my writers or Shonda or Betsy or someone at Shondaland ORG had heard the story. And Nicola and Luke PERSON were just like a real audience. It was like they were justfans of the show and they reacted with such pure enjoyment. They were laughing and gasping and owing and awing. And first of all, I was like, I'm going to have so much fun working with these two. We just got along so well right away. But mostly it was about, oh, wow, okay, this is real. And I think we have a good season here based off their reactions. Like, if they're into it, I think people are going to like it. We'll be right back after the break.

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the official podcast. What was the most important thing to kind of capture in those first minutes, those first pages of episode one? It's been a minute since we were in the world of Bridgeton GPE.We had Queen Charlotte PERSON. So what was your headspace to bring the audience back to now? So in the world of Bridgeton, we had Queen Charlotte PERSON. So what was your headspace to bring the audience back to now?

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So in the writer's room, I always talk about the teaser, which is, you know, everything we see before the title card, as a snapshot of the episode or a vibe of the episode. And when it comes to the very first episode, the teaser is really meant to be a snapshot or a vibe of the episode. And when it comes to the very first episode, the teaser is really meant to be a snapshot or a vibe of the season. And so it was important for us in those first few minutes to make sure all of the elements, more or less, were represented in that teaser. So you have Penelope PERSON, whose work life is going very well, but her personal life is a mess. You have Colin, who's coming back a new man in many ways. You introduce Francesca PERSON, who is a character wehaven't seen a ton of in past seasons, but who has a major role to play this season. And then, of course, you have all the Bridgerton ORG's assembled together. So it was important to hit all of those beats, and we tried to do it in as efficient a way as possible. I think having Lady Whistledown GPE really helps take us through moments quickly. She's able to guide us and hold our hand through it. And the real fun of this season is not only knowing that Penelope is Whistledown GPE, but because she's the protagonist this year, getting to be in her POV and seeing through her eyes what it feels like

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to be Whistledown GPE. Yeah, especially in that opening moment. There's this, I can't remember the girl's name, but she snorts and she's like, oh, she mentioned me.

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And Penelope PERSON's in the corner like, poor thing.

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Four, sweet thing.

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Bless her heart. Bless her heart. Yeah.

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That is really cool to see things through Penelope's eyes. I was also so excited to see Francesca PERSON. That was actually a surprise for me. I didn't, I just was not thinking of any other Bridgeton siblings as like a central story for us to or a main story for us to follow. And the way we are introduced to Francesca is, it's really in your face. I think Benedict PERSON says she's playing like a funeral march song on the piano. We learn

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quite a bit about her right away. Francesca PERSON? Francesca? There's no need to shout. Tell us about

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what you wanted us to take away from Francesca PERSON.

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So Francesca PERSON is probably the most different from her siblings.

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You know, most of the Bridgeton GPE siblings are extroverted, opinionated, able to articulate those opinions very easily sociable.

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Francesca PERSON is an introvert. She's probably the one introvert in the family. And so she's a difficult character to set up in many ways because she has a rich inner life. She has great strength and inner wisdom. She is similar to her siblings in many ways, but she just doesn't express it in the same way. So when you first meet her, she's preparing for her debut.We've now seen two Bridgerton ORG girls debut. You saw Daphne PERSON, who was all about it and super into it and very vocal about that. And then you saw Eloise PERSON, who hated it and was really vocal about that. And here comes Francesca PERSON, who is just kind of like, yeah, okay, let's go.And she's not expressing a real opinion. But as we get to know her, we'll realize that, in fact, this is difficult for her. It's difficult for her to debut in society. She's not someone who's super comfortable socially. So we had to find subtle ways to let an audience in on that because she was certainly not going to tell you herself. I think she's on a journey of figuring out what that, what it means to her passion.

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And maybe that's how she and Penelope PERSON are not similar, but can connect and have that moment where they do connect, right? Penelope PERSON is the never been kissed kind of character, right? But she devours romance and...

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Yeah, I feel like Francesca and Penelope PERSON are quite similar. And I think they probably would have been really close friends if they were closer in age. And like if Penn and Eloise hadn't met and become friends and if Fran had met Penn first, they might have been the best friends, you know. But I also think, you know, Penn and Eloise PERSON being opposites in certain ways is a good match too. But yeah, I think Penelope PERSON is much more in control of the fact that she wants love. Fran PERSON, she's just not sure what love means to her quite yet.Look at you nickname in Francesca PERSON. Oh, Fran PERSON.

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I know.

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You know, it's funny when I'm writing, when we're writing the scripts, I'm always looking

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for ways to cut page length.

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Sometimes that literally means that I call Benedict Ben PERSON. I call Francesca Fran PERSON. I call Antony Aunt PERSON. Eloise PERSON's L. Just to shave off like one line sometimes. So, yeah.

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So, okay, there was a lot of translating these amazing, I'm sure, directions and what you all saw in your mind's eye as far as like what was happening around all of the action happening around the dialogue and everything. What were some of the conversations that you had, some of the more difficult conversations you had about bringing those to life?

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No difficult conversations, really. I mean, I feel like our teams this season really brought it. They have leveled up and brought their A game. John Glazer PERSON, who runs our costumes department, is bringing even more theatricality and beauty and glamour to the wardrobe. He's doing a lot of layers this season with fabrics. And it's even a more colorful vision than I think it's been before, which I think in a lot of ways really suits the tone of this season being more of a rom-com.We've definitely upped things to match with that. And then Erica Ockfist PERSON, who led our hair and makeup department, is also the wigs are taller and closer to God or whatever the saying is. And Allison Gart Shore is our production designer this year. She came up under Will Hughes-Jones Jones PERSON and she did a knockout job. I mean, the sets are stunning. The balls have all become really thematic.She really, we had a lot of conversations about what the theme of the episode was and how we could reflect that in the ball of the episode and also in the whistledown. And then our directors this year were phenomenal. And it was about really capturing that rom-com sensibility. You know, season two, obviously, things got a little darker. We were dealing with grief. But this season, it was all about it being bright and

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poppy and, you know, joyful. Was there any discussion around how you would differentiate some of the characters we've seen plenty of, like Queen Charlotte, Golda, Rochavelle PERSON? Was there a conversation about how they would be presented differently this time around, especially in their first moments in episode one?

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Yeah, we felt like it was time to show a slightly new flavor from the queen. We've seen her be super into the presentations for two seasons. And to be honest, she hasn't made the best predictions. She was trying to pair

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Daphne PERSON with the prince. She was so upset. I know. I know. Poor queen. She was trying to pair

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Anthony with Edwina. And, you know, things haven't gone the way she expected. So I think she's entering

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this season a little bit more trepidacious about the debutants and withholding her opinion. She's not going to grace any debutante with her favor too early. So you get to see her playing at a bit of boredom and like she's over it. But I don't really think that's true.

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Yeah, the boredom of it all. That was, I felt like Golda PERSON was very, very much leaning into that this time around.

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Yeah. She plays it so well. She makes it so funny. I feel like you could give Golda PERSON the phone book to read and you would be, you know, alternately cracking up and weeping. She's so talented.

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Miss Clara Livingston PERSON.

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Shall I fetch your refreshment, Your Majesty.

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Perhaps a casket.

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The lack of interest here today shall usher me to an early grave at any moment.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know, you are very much into the way relationships come together, fall apart.

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You've talked about that a lot before and friendships. And I am so curious about how Eloise, Penelope, Cressida PERSON, how that friendship, non-friendship situation ship was all discussed among your team. That's one of the most interesting parts of the story to me.

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Bridgerton ORG is a show about love in many forms. And I think friendship, breakups, friendship couplings, they are just as important, can be just as important, as romantic relationships, especially at the age Penelope and Eloise PERSON are at.You know, you're really defining yourself by the company you keep and figuring out who you are based on your friends at that age. And so,you know, Penn and Eloise PERSON, I would say, there, will they, or won't they, is in many ways the secondary love story of the season. It's something we explore in a lot of depth. You know, I think for me,it's the story of you make friends when you're young based on, you know, oh, you live next door to each other, or you go to the same school. And there's always a point at which I think you have to decide, is this a real friendship that can go deeper? Or is this not going to be the kind of friendship that's going to last the test of time? So for Penn PERSON and Eloise this season, they are both undergoing real journeys of self-discovery separate from each other. And the question is whether those journeys will lead them in the same direction or not.So when we were talking about Eloise this year and what life without Penelope PERSON might look like, I think there's a sense of if you can't beat them, join them going on with her. And I think she's lost a little bit of her fight in certain ways.

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Oh, that broke my heart.

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I felt that.

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Yeah.

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It's sad.

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It's sad. But in a way, it's a journey I think Eloise PERSON needs to go on because Eloise has been extremely overconfident. I think that if you look at her breakup with Penelope PERSON last

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season, it's easy to understand Penn's culpability in it. Penelope PERSON lied about being whistledown and she wrote this thing about Eloise PERSON that she never should have written. Like she has a lot of growth to do coming out of that. But I do think that Eloise PERSON has a piece in the breakup, which is that her relationship with Penn was a little bit uneven and a little bit one-sided in that Eloise PERSON kind of talks at Penelope PERSON and maybe didn't make as much space for Penelope in the friendship as she could have.Now, some of that is on Penelope PERSON, needing to step into her power and take up space by herself. But I think Eloise PERSON has something to learn about listening. And so I think that that's hopefully something she's going to learn this year by being such a fish out of water in society with Cressida PERSON.

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I'm so glad you said that because I was wondering if somewhere deep down, Eloise PERSON felt like she had some, not control, but just that she led that relationship.

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She definitely led that relationship. And I think subconsciously, maybe she liked that, that she got to be in some ways the alpha. And Penelope PERSON, yeah, Penelope would just kind of like do what she wanted to do and be like, yes, Eloise PERSON, and like, laugh at her jokes. And, you know, I don't think that Penn PERSON got to show her full self previously in that relationship. So if they get back together as friends, I think that there's some evening out that needs tohappen where they can both show up as full people.

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Speaking of true self, what version of Penelope PERSON that we've seen so far is closest to her true self?

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That's such a good question. In some ways, I don't know that we've fully seen it from her. There is a scene in season two where Penelope PERSON is laying on the grass with Eloise and the daffodils. That was a scene that Chris Van Dusen PERSON really had such a vision for and really felt strongly about creating that visual. And I feel like in that moment you get to see a glimpse of real Penelope PERSON. It's a moment whereshe and Eloise PERSON are acting as equals because Penelope is finally honest with Eloise. Hey, you know, I actually really do like society and I do like coming to these balls. And I know that we make fun of it all the time and say how terrible it is, but I kind of like it. It's loki my jam.

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Yeah. It's Loki My Jam.

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That was like one of the few times where she was really honest with Eloise PERSON about who she is. So I think that's probably the closest we've seen. But I don't think Penelope PERSON is either fully whistledown or fully a wallflower. She's someone somewhere in between. She, you know, is not just the girl who writes scathing gossip and she's not the girl clinging to the shadows. So this season is about merging those two selves and stepping into her authenticity. Thank you so much, Jess PERSON.

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Thank you so much, Gabby PERSON.

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We'll be back after the break to talk to the masterminds behind this season's glow-ups, the costume team.

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Welcome back to Bridgetton ORG, the official podcast. Often, when a character is going through a visual transformation, it is indicative of a deeper, emotional evolution. This season, we're seeing massive shifts for so many in these arenas. So, to break down some of those choices and talk about the costume innovation, I sat down with some key members of the costume design team. John Glazier, the Lee costume designer, Dougie Hawks PERSON, mastermind behind the men's looks, and George Sayer PERSON, the brain behind the women's looks. Hey, I'm John Glazer, the costume designer for Bridgeton GPE.

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My name is George Sayer. I'm the Associate Costume Designer for Women's Wear ORG.

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And hello, my name is Dougie Hawkes

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and I'm Associate Costume Designer for Bridgeton GPE, concentrating on the men.

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Welcome to the podcast. Good morning.

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Good morning. Good morning.

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It's a pleasure to be here.

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I just want to jump right on in.

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Right now,

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people are binging or have just watched episode one

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and are seeing a lot of changes, transitions, and just a lot of foreshadowing right now. The season feels brighter, some would say, if you look on social and just like listen to the chatter. And the costumes also seem bigger than ever before. Can you just begin by walking us through what was different about this season, how you approached it, or if there was anything about your process that returned to kind of give us that texture and feel that we so love, where do you draw all of your inspiration?

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You know, this season, we looked at season one, which was an experiment, and it was pretty bold and a graphic.

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and a graphic,

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season two became a little more technical and the coloring a little more acidy, a little stronger. So we always like to improve and give the audience something new to look at with maintaining the Bridgetton ORG look. So we thought we looked at flowers,we looked at paintings, we looked at texture, which you'll see this season. And the colors are a little more organic, a little more real, as if you looked at a floral garden with that texture. You know, I hate to say like bugs and butterflies, but you look at clouds and trees and the seasons changing. We've just used all those colors that are a little more real.

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I second and say that we've built from season one and season two, and we've reached a lot of, from a lot of decisions made from the looks that have previously come that we've been involved with is a new look. And I think you will see a new, brighter, bolder look with season three.

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And time has actually changed. We're like three or four years into the future. So we've switched suddenly the styling a little bit more towards 18, 17.

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17. That's about as far as we can go. And also, the characters, the audience knows the characters

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now. So their clothes can become a little more real, which they have, because the costume doesn't have to tell the story of the character. You know, we know who the persona is now. So we let them come to the forefront a little more.

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When you said the colors are a little more real, it makes me think of Penelope PERSON, actually, and Eloise PERSON, but, and I'm like, oh, I wonder if there's a little bit more of that, like, natural dye inspiration happening that may be closer to history, maybe?

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Well, actually, believe it or not, at that time, the dyes were much brighter, weren't they, Dougie PERSON?

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Oh.

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We're actually... We're going looking at more current, more present day. Yes. We'll be pushing a little bit more current, more present day. Yes.

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We'll be pushing a little bit more strength into even the poorer classes off of the high street.

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We're bringing color into those as well. But we're looking at much stronger base colors with a lot more embellishment.

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We've kind of flipped it. During that period, the poor people would have been doll colors, and we've actually making them this season more vibrant, and we've taken the real people, or the main cast, which would have been stronger colors, and we've minimized it, just to make it pretty.We always have to remember Bridgeton GPE is not a history lesson. It's a fantasy. So as long, and I always say this, and it gets very repetitive, as long as we can help tell the story what is written and make it beautiful. That's our job. So it's not a history lesson.It's a fantasy. And we like to switch things around and move things around into different places that they probably shouldn't always be, but it keeps an interest.

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We use very few of the traditional fabrics that you'd have in, say, Jane Austen's PERSON, general

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period dramas. So we use much more modern fabrics. We don't have any muslins at all, or cottons,

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really, in women's wear.

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No, I think that's where you would see a distinct contrast between Bridgeton and something like the movie of Emma PERSON.

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It's a lot. There's softer and we've got harder lines and more sharper images within the costume because it's something that hasn't been seen. So we can explore that much easier than trying to follow suit, if you know what I mean. And we're using fashion fabrics, like contemporary fabrics rather than the more traditional prints.

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We've tried to create our own little world, which I think we've been successful with.

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Yeah, I think seasons, that's why I think season three is going to be a really big innovation to the viewers.

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The actual characters have matured over the years, over the years, over the few years.

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So you have to make those subtle changes to their bodies, their face. You know, everything changes subtly. So you have to kind of watch that and keep up with it.

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When you are all coming together to work on building your palettes and your vision boards and everything. How do you keep it fresh for yourselves returning to this production now after several years? And you're still working within that seven years or so DATE of the story. How do you keep it fresh for yourself, George, if you want to begin?

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Well, we look at fashion references, not just, we obviously look at Regency NORP fashion references, but we also look right through history. It's mainly from the 20th century, I would say, up to contemporary catwalk. Yes. So we just totally immerse ourselves in fashion references, the runway, and just absorb as much information as we can.And from that, we can, you know, develop designs that suit the different characters. So it's just keeping influences coming in the whole time.

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And our mood boards from the very first season, when I did the mood boards, I always took images of what influenced Regency fashion, what Regency NORP fashion was from the little bit of information that you can grasp because there's no photographs, there's only paintings and etchings, and then what currently was influenced by Regency Fashion, which was the 60s. And if you look at any current runway or any current fashion magazine,you can always find a Regency NORP influence. And we suck that right in. And so all of our inspiration boards always have something real, something fashion, and always like a painting. So you can see, oh, that came from there, and they've copied that, and that's been, you know, back and forth, you know.

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The other thing that we do is quite often, when we start in the process for designing the women's, where we will pick fabrics that we like and we'll work them on a stand. And quite often the fabric dictates the style of the sleeve or where we're going with it. And so it's a really organic process as well. So you bring in the influences from the references that we've been looking at and then you develop

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your own on the stand. Yeah. So I mean, as you can see, we bring all those ideas at the early stages of the production or of a season, and then pile those into a mixing pot,

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and then we extract things that we want to move to that for a new season or a new character and use the historical correctness blended with modern fashion catwalk runway styling and try, and that is our task then to actually blend that and nod to fashion, but sticking in a historical correctness as a base. So that's the skill.

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That's what we do as a collaborative group. And we sometimes even go, say like, with Francesco, she's based on Regency NORP period, but we looked at Grace Kelly, and we also looked at the 1940s, Catherine Hepburn PERSON, sheer sleeves.

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Well, they were the kind of muse for her character. They were the muse for her character.

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So we, just like what Draghi PERSON said, said, everything's kind of in a melting pot and we just extract what we like.

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When we've got the script

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and when we've got the showrunner

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and the writer's ideas of characters

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that's extracted from the book

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and then it expanded and given to us, then we can sit down and be directed where that character could go in our third eye sense. There's very directed characters and very free characters. And that's where we blend the two influences of costume design. I mean, that's purely what it is.It's not because we're not following historical recreation, we are designing. And that's the big difference between maybe this period drama than a lot of others.

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The other thing that we do is we work very closely with the hair and makeup department. So when we've done a fitting, we'll photograph it, we'll show them the images of the costume, and then they will work with our milliners, because we're lucky enough to have a millinery department too, to work on whatever the hair creations are going to be. And so it's very much a sort of team effort to get the overall look.

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But specifically with the dance scenes and the ball scenes, so we do have some in episode one. Do you need to ever go back to the drawing board? Because, oh, this particular movement that the dancers are going to be doing, the garments aren't flowing the way you imagined, or people are tripping over.

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A little bit, yeah.

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But, you know, when we get to thinning with the dancer, they know what they're doing

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so they can help guide us too.

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Yeah, we're very lucky to have the same choreographer we've had from season one.

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So we know what they can tell us, oh, that's not going to have the same choreographer we've had from season one. So we know what...

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They can tell us, oh, that's not going to work because I'm doing a...

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I don't even know what a dance move is, but they can tell us what their action is and we can... And we...

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...fix it accordingly. It's lovely to have this, but this is... In an ideal world, we like to costume the dancers up front, if you like, because we know how much they are in frame in every ball scene. And not just the ball scenes, of course, they use them elsewhere. But they become more than dancers. They become background artists as well.And scenery.

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Yeah. So to us, they're really important.

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Yeah. We do try to improve and make it better each season.

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Yeah.

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And more, I don't want to say flamboyant, but more sumptuous and rich, you know.

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And it needs to look fresh.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. For the viewers. I definitely wore the most citrusy color I had today in honor of Penelope PERSON and her original.

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Citrus world, yeah.

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Her original citrus world.

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Yeah. What's interesting is when you look at season three and it begins with the feathering tins and their citrus colors, you don't question it because that's what you're used to. But then when the change happens, you go, oh, my God, what, you know, you really do see a bigdifference. And you understand that it's an improvement and it's a sophistication of the show

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moving forward, I think. Correct? And to pick up on that, when you, when we first see the

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Featheringtons PERSON, they're wearing dresses that would be familiar to the audience, but they've been reworked and re-embellished because the Featherington PERSON's haven't got any money or there's the appearance of poverty. So they've had to kind of rework them to try and keep in with their fashion. I do not wish to see a citrus color ever again.

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Sour colors indeed. So Penelope PERSON's aesthetic change is so dramatic and no doubt, very exciting for the fans.

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I loved it.

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Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Talk us through the thought process of her new look this episode and season.

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So Penelope's new look, when she has been to the Medeist ORG, she's had enough of being, you know, it's very important for her to get away from the Featheringtons PERSON and to really put herself out there on the marriage mart and she wants to reject the whole citrus world. And so we see her going to the Medeis and saying, can you give me the new Paris look, which is a link to Colin PERSON as well.

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He's just come back from Paris GPE. So the first time we see her, she has this big reveal in her emerald gown, and she very much looks apart, and she's suddenly the center of attention. But actually, she's still penned. She's still anxious. She still kind of disappears into, you know, the scenery.

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You have to remember, as George mentioned today, that her new look backfires when Cressida PERSON rips it.

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Yeah. So. So that there's that kind of insecurity. She's putting a step out there. It's kind of, it hasn't worked out for her. And so when we then see her again, she's gone back to kind of a softer, a softer color, sort of where she could also disappear into her surroundings.

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And like John PERSON was saying about sort of kind of, she looks like a painting.

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You've got all these layers going on.

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So you don't really know what's going on.

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And she's still whistled down.

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So she kind of has to still be on the wall a little bit, observing.

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The similarity between her and Cressida PERSON, the only similarity between her and Cressida is that they're both trying to escape their families. But Cressida PERSON's doing it in a much bolder way. She's putting herself out there to find a husband because it's now season number threethat she hasn't. And so there's that, whereas, you know, Penelope PERSON's...

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Penelope PERSON's been... She was been within earshot of being rejected by Colin PERSON amongst his friends. I mean, she said he would never date, he would never call Penelope Featherington PERSON. So she sees the man that shegives her heart palpitations, but she knows he, she feels or she believes that he would never look at her. So that sort of chemistry is really cool on episode one, I think.

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Now to Colin PERSON. And I mean, wherever you'd want to begin, but were there any set dressings or props that inspired you?

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It's kind of the reason I wanted to do this, and it's to be given someone like Colin PERSON for this, for season three. Because normally we begin organically analyzing a character, and then it evolves. With Colin PERSON, it was so different,because here we have our traveller boy. And, you know, I knew this, I knew Colin from two previous seasons. I knew Luke Newton from two previous seasons. So I knew the man. And John PERSON and I sort of had had discussions on, on how we wanted to produce a new silhouette and to create kind of like a maverick cowboy kind of pirate returning from a voyage and get the almost I guess 1980s new romanticism intohis into his whole persona and a lot completely different to this I saw Colin PERSON as it's it's a sort of I started off with this because this is personal to me. But I saw him as a James Stewart, George Bailey from, from, it's a wonderful life who wanted to travel right from the day one he was born. I know that's, that's miles and miles apart. But Colin PERSON is that. He's that eternal miles and miles apart, but Colleen PERSON is that, he's that eternal traveler, an adventurer.And, you know, we lose him as one of the boy brothers, and then he returns a fully fledged man, which is the big reveal, obviously, in episode one. So I wanted to introduce that this transformation was the boy's brother to a confident worldly, fully fledged man of the world. And so my conceptwas someone who was daring, dashing, and dangerous even. So, you know, using the conceptof those three Ds into this guy's design. So we've completely changed his silhouette from everything being tight and pretty baby blue and pink to something that was flowing and a little bit more open and a bit more devil-may-care and rakeish. To give the viewers, who is this guy?

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Who is these pair of boots? And he himself changed physically. Yes.

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He became much more angular,

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much more mature look. I keep saying mature, but they have grown.

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And Penelope PERSON too.

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Yeah, definitely Penelope PERSON too.

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But he definitely became angular and became...

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Yeah, these two guys rose to the occasion

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of being leading man, leading lady.

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You know, the writing just completely elevates that for them.

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But yeah, he arrives with a bang. I mean, we see this guy, oh, I saw this guy, and, you know, this is how John PERSON and I sort of got that sort of cowboy feel, that he's been travelling, obviously, the last port of course seems to be Paris and France GPE, but he's been, he's done the grand tour, he's been all over Europe, who knows where Egypt GPE.

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He's got a little stack now.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So he's been cooped up in a ship for maybe six weeks from the last port to London in a cabin.

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And so I almost wanted him to look as if he'd been sleeping in those clothes, that he comes out back into fresh London, or not so fresh London, but into fresh London.

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Walking down that gangplank, we see his boots, so his boots are still his old favourite boots, and then he gets into a carriage boots are still his old favorite boots, and then he gets into a carriage, his luggage is thrown in there, and then when he gets to his home address, he's in a different world. The world is all pretty and straight and wonderful and beautiful, and he comes in striding in with looking a little bit out of place. He comes in unrestrictive

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because he's got a lot of movement now. Anthony PERSON turns around and unrestrictive. Well, I think, I think Anthony,

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Anthony PERSON turns around and said, is that my, is that my brother?

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Is that my brother coming?

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He's got a lot of,

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is it sort of movement and swagger?

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He opens up as well. His clothing opens up. We decided to de-restrict him of the next stocks. He has them when they're needed, i.e. in the balls.But as soon as he can, he almost wants to fight out of them.

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Jess Brownell PERSON in the writer's room gave you a treat to play with.

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Yes, absolutely. Hopefully, we've given the same treat back.

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Yeah. Thank you so much. On behalf of everybody, thank you so much. And thank you for your time today.

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Thanks for inviting us. Thank you so much. And thank you for your time today. Thanks for inviting us.

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Thank you for joining me for this first episode of this season of Bridgeton GPE, the official podcast. Join me next week to talk episode two, where I'll be joined by Hannah Dodd, who plays Francesca Bridgeton PERSON, and the dynamic duo, Martins Imhengbe and Emma Naomi PERSON, who play The Mondritches PERSON. Until next time. Bridgerton ORG, the official podcast,is produced by Shandaland Audio and Wonder Media Network ORG. This show is executive produced by Sandy Bailey PERSON, Alex Alche, Lauren Homan, Jenny Kaplan, and Emily Rudder PERSON. Our producers are Sarah Schlead, Edie Allard, and Carmen Borka Carrillo PERSON. This episode is edited by Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder PERSON. Our associate producers are Lauren Williams and Akea McKnight PERSON.And I am your host, Gabrielle Collins PERSON. If you haven't finished binging Bridgerton, please head to Netflix so you can enjoy these spoilers with us each week. If you're enjoying this show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, or leave us a review. For more podcasts from Shondaland Audio, visit the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts ORG, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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