No Spin News - Weekend Edition - March 1, 2024

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Okay, I wanted a different perspective from a guy who's independent, and of course we want that. I've given orders to my staff, I don't want any partisans on the program to analyze the election. Because it's a waste of your time. So I turn on Fox News, and all I hear on Fox News, 100% of the time, as far as guests are concerned, are Trump people, Republicans NORP. And I turn on MSNBC, and it's 100% Biden PERSON people.Now, CNN sneaks in one or two, but it's so boring. I want independent people. So we follow a website called Tangle ORG News. Read Tangle dot com. You can get it independent. We don't agree with them a lot of times, but that's OK. They're coming at it from a point of view of non ideology. And Isaac Saul is the founder and CEO joins now for Philadelphia. OK, first, on my run-up to this, because I did an interview with you, and you fact-checked me on the interview, which is fine. Some of your fact-checking was fallacious.It was wrong. But that's okay. And so I know you try your hardest. Your staff isn't as good as mine, that's all. And don't try to poach my people. But anyway, in the run up to this segment, what I've reported on Trump and Biden PERSON, do you have a beef with any of it?

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No, I mean, I think I think you're 100 percent right that Nikki Haley PERSON's toast. I don't really understand why she's still in the race unless she doesn't want Donald Trump to be in the White House ORG. You made a great point that she gets to keep all this money and do what she wishes with it from a political perspective going forward. So maybe she's got some plans we don't know about yet, whether it's just 2028 or supporting some other PACs or candidates who have big Senate ORG races coming up.But it is peculiar that she's hanging around. I don't think she has any chance. I do think there are some blaring warning signs for Donald Trump PERSON based on some of the results we're seeing, which you touched on a little bit. I think it is a problem for him that 40% of South Carolinians NORP are voting for Nikki Haley in the Republican NORP primary, even though some independents participate in that primary.So she should drop out, you know, in any traditional year. I don't think there's much left for her to do. I don't think she has any reasonable path. But she's sticking around, which raises a lot of questions that I think are curious, I would say.

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Now, one of the reasons that she got 40 percent is she's a hometown gal. I'm governor of the state. The Haley PERSON machine is still in place. I'm not making an excuse for it, but if you win by 20 in a former governor's state, that's a pretty impressive win, I think. I mean, for me, I was looking at if it dipped below that to 15 or 12, then I would go, ooh. Next question is, Nikki Haley's voters, Republicans NORP mostly, do you believe they'll cross over to Trump or will they not vote? They're not going to vote for Biden. Only 3%,you see, of Republicans support Biden. So they either stay home or vote for Trump PERSON. You think there'll be a big stay home component in November?

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I predicted, you know, a couple of years ago that I thought this election cycle, we would see the largest share of votes since Ross Perot, who got around 8%, go to an independent or third party candidate. And that was before we ended up with Trump and Biden as the two primary candidates in the race, which is what we're going to get. And so I feel pretty confident about that prediction. I don't know. You know, it could be RFK Jr. It could be Nikki Haley. Joe Manchin PERSON sounds like he's going to stay at home. I don't

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think it will be. No, she wants to run again in 28. So she's not going to commit suicide now.

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But Robert Kennedy PERSON will be on the ballot.

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I mean, his organization will get him on the ballot.

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It looks like a 12 percenter to me.

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You know, he doesn't have any momentum. And it looks like he takes more from Biden than Trump PERSON. Is that your analysis?

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Yeah, I think he takes more from Biden than Trump PERSON. I think by virtue of his last name, his previous associations with the Democratic Party ORG, the fact that most of his policy agenda is actually quite progressive. I mean, I think the things that he will say and do that resonates with conservative voters or Trump PERSON voters will be on vaccines. It'll be about the deep state. It'll be about, you know, the way the government has overstepped in certain areas over the last few years. It'll be about the border. All that stuff will resonate with conservative voters.But, you know, he's a climate change guy. He cares a lot about diversity and equity stuff. You talked about the top of the show. He is somebody who I think fundamentally is more progressive and liberal than they are conservative. So if he stays in the race, I imagine he'll take more from Biden and Trump PERSON.

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I also think Biden is saying Trump PERSON's.

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You also think which is important. Yeah. You also think Biden PERSON what?

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Biden's voters are not as loyal as Trump PERSON's voters. And so they're a lot more malleable in this race is my view.

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The media will ignore RFK Jr. PERSON Big deficit for him.

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He doesn't have the money to spend on independent TV commercials and the media because they favor Trump PERSON.

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They favor Biden so intensely. They're not going to give RFK ORG any.

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You're not going to see him. They will black him out. I can guarantee it. Final question. The bettors, you can't, it's not legal to bet on the presidential race in the USA GPE, but you can bet on it in London.And they've got Trump almost two to one up now over Biden PERSON. Does that have any credibility to you?

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I mean, they were they were off on the 2020 election. So I think that undermined them a

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little bit. Trump was a favorite among many betters in 2020 heading into the election. But

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I think it is it is certainly significant and that the people who are willing to put their money up

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on this, who are, you know, by all intents and purposes, smart people who are tracking election trends, who are looking at the data, are siding with Trump PERSON at this point in the race. I think Trump is in a stronger position than Biden PERSON right now. I think the media coverage for Biden is terrible about his age and his capacity. The special counsel report was very bad for him politically. I think he's in a really, really big hole. And you've got a lot of big Democratic NORP names calling about his age and his capacity. The special counsel report was very bad for him politically. I think he's in a really, really big hole. And you've got a lot of big Democratic names calling from the dropout now, whether it's Ezra Klein at the New York Times or, you know, other bigprogressive commentators saying he should step aside. He's not operating in a great political

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position. He has no momentum at all. There's no doubt about it. He's got nothing. Yeah, I agree.

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He has got nothing for him. But, you know, Trump is Trump. So we'll see. Isaac PERSON, thanks very much. We really appreciate

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number two, T.org. You're listening to the No Spin News Weekend Edition WORK_OF_ART. All right, now, I don't watch

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The View on ABC, even though I've appeared on it a dozen times. I don't really have time to do that, but we monitor that ABC News ORG program. Remember, it comes under the ABC News ORG banner. It's not an entertainment program. So we know the ladies. We know what their point of view is. And OK, again, I don't have any beef with that. If you want to watch the view, go ahead. It's all left-wing stuff all the time. So yesterday, Dr. Phil shows up on The View WORK_OF_ART because he's got a new book, all right?And the book is called We've Got Issues, and it came out today, all right? So it's his first day of publication. it's his first day of publication. And he goes on the show and he knows because Phil PERSON is a traditional guy. All right. The country's noble, hard work and responsibility is what molds a worthwhile life.You know, Phil PERSON's message is fairly traditional. So he walks into the lion's den. Roll the tape.

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Are you saying no schoolchildren died of COVID?

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I'm saying it was the safest group. They were the less vulnerable group and they suffered

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and will suffer more from the mismanagement of COVID than they will from the exposure to COVID.

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And that's not an opinion. That's a fact.

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exposure to COVID. And that's not an opinion. That's a fact.

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Oh, those ladies didn't like that. Oh, no, no. And joining us now from New York City is the aforementioned Dr. Phil McGraw. You know him. 21 years on TV. You know, he and I started pretty

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much the same time. I'm on Fox. He was on CBS in the national realm he's written ten New

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York Times a bestsellers he's got nine more to go before he catches me how to

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put that in Phil PERSON I had a gratuitous comment I had to do it ego out of

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control right here you're looking at it anyway the book is how you can have we've got issues how you can stand strong for America GPE's soul insanity so I'm looking at the book and you have a problem here. And I don't even know whether you know the problem in your book, but I want your comment on it. What you write is perfect for people who would reasonably consider it. Responsibility, hard work, love of country, love of family, respect of family, traditional down the line. But we live in a world now where a lot of peoplehave made their own fantasy lives from social media, from the internet. They don't live in the real world anymore, and, those motivations that you write about are lost on millions and millions of people who live on this. This is what they live on. Did you consider that when you were writing the book? I did.

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And my hope is because I also exist on those devices that people check 352 times a day and YouTube and all of these devices that, you know, maybe I can get somebody's attention that isn't a natural Dr. Phil PERSON follower or fan. And I've got to get people's attention some kind of way because, look, I don't even pretend or try to think that those people are going to flock to listen to me, but I don't make any mistake about it. I love this country. I love it enough to admit that it's got flaws and fallacies, but I love this country. I mean, I stand up when the flag goes by. I put my hand over my heart when they play the national anthem. I love this country, but does it have problems? Of course it does. And I can admit that, but we've got to take thenarratives back in America GPE. We've got this, I call them tyranny of the friends, these activists that are pushing these crazy, I think, wild agendas. fact, can't show you science, wants to rewrite history, something's way out of whack. And you know, you're the history expert around here. And we've got people that are wanting to pretend

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things didn't happen that happened. They're wanting to rewrite things and tell our children,

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how are our children supposed to learn from mistakes we've made historically if they want to come in and woke wash history and take all of this out so the kids don't learn what happened at a different time?

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Not only that the kids don't learn, but the skew is that we're an evil country.

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But look, you were in the environment yesterday that enables these fringe players to gain power.

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So the national media in America now is 80 to 90 percent pushing the progressive agenda. agenda. That's what really has driven this so quickly and gotten into the woke equity. America GPE's bad. We need to throw out everything zone because the media does not challenge that.

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How do you deal with that? Well, one of the ways you deal with it is what I did yesterday and I'll keep doing is I'll go into the lion's den and talk to them right there. You've done it when you've gone in and, and you, you call things as they are. I'm, I'll go in there and, you know, somebody, and one of their real often used tricks is I'll say something and they'll say, so you're saying, no, you don't need to paraphrase me. We were both here.

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Did I say nobody, no children died from this?

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Yeah, I did because I'm stupid, right? Of course, I didn't say that. What I'm saying is this was a low risk group. We were able to keep open all essential services, including, you know, grocery stores, first responders, hospitals, porn shops. They kept crazy things open,

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but we're going to shut down the schools. And, you know, I hear them say, okay, look, we closed the schools here. And in 08, 09, when these smartphones came out, something really started happening. We saw the biggest spike in anxiety, depression, loneliness, suicidal ideation, suicidality among young people that we have ever seen. And it continued getting worse from the time the smartphones came out. 08, 09, 10, 11, 12. It continued to get worse. The worst since they started keeping records. And they know this. And then so we see COVID hit in 2020. And they say,we're going to close the schools for a couple of weeks. I say, okay, that's fine. I get it. You need to get your bearings. But then when they said, all right, we're going to keep the schools closed for the rest of the year, and then they're going to keep them closed in the fall. I came out at the time and said, this is a really bad idea. We've got a mental health crisis among these young people, and you're going to close the

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schools, which is their life. And they've been more isolated. Right. Now, why do you think you get pushback from the committed left?

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Why did the ladies of the view look askance at your position?

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Because I think they believe and have bought into the fact that this is, was at the time,

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some kind of right mentality to shut everything down. They look at this virus as though I guess it treats everybody the same. I don't think they should have shut the schools down. And I said so at the time. I said the treatment of these kids and the effects of the quarantine are going to create more problems for these kids than the effects of the quarantine are going to create more problems forthese kids than the virus ever will. And when I said that, everybody acted like I was some kind of crazy man heretic to say that. Now, when that actually came true, when it actually came true, then everybody, I didn't get any calls saying, hey, we're sorry, we were wrong about that.

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You'll never do, but you are prospering. And Fauci, I think, is in Molokai, Hawaii, in the former leper colony. He's out, so you won. Last question. Somebody buys the book, and people don't read as much as they used to anymore. You've got to really have a hook to get them to buy your book.What is your hook? You got to really have a hook to get them to buy your book. What is your hook? What will people learn when they read, You've Got Issues or We've Got Issues, I should say?

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That is a great question. And here's the thing. I think people know what I'm saying is right. A lot of people know what I'm saying is right. They know that what is being pushed on them by these extreme activists is wrong, but they don't know the facts to use to push back. What they need are the talking points, the facts to push back, and I'm giving them the facts. I'm giving them the empirical data. Let me give you an example. And I'm not going to roll on forever here. Let me give you an example. They're using these trigger warnings in the universities where our coddled young people are being treated likethey were some kind of delicate flowers that can't be taught how to live in the real world. We've got the vast majority of universities using trigger warnings to alert these kids that, oh, something might come up that upsets you. Well, you know what? Trigger warnings don't work. Trigger warnings actually create the very thing that they're alerting kids

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could happen, which is create anxiety, panic attacks, whatever.

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They actually create what they're warning against.

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Now, the research, which is very, I mean, it's a big body of literature here that says they don't work. In fact, they say they're counterproductive because what you want to do with people that are sensitive to that, it's teach them coping skills. Use systematic decentralization, dialectical behavior therapy, cognitive behavior therapy, whatever. So they learn to cope with this stuff. So they're not paralyzed by it. They're doing exactly what you're not supposed to do. Now, here's the thing, Bill PERSON, these universities are,they have access to the same literature that I have access to, which is that this is the wrong

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thing to do. But they continue to do it because they're virtue signaling. They're virtue signaling. They're woke and they're virtue signaling. All right. The book is We've Got Issues WORK_OF_ART. Doc PERSON, we appreciate you.Welcome anytime on the program and keep fighting a good fight. All right. Hey, thanks for what you do. Keep doing it, my friend. See you later. Thank you.

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Okay, so an interesting part of this case has been underreported, but not by Just the News ORG, which is an internet operation, and I hope you're familiar with it. That's John Solomon PERSON. I've been on his show. He's been on my show. So apparently, Fonny sent nathan to the white house twice and maybe fani herself went to the white house so what's that all about press is ignored at uh totally but just the news uh has filed the freedom of information act to find out what that was all about and john solomon joins us now from washington dc so i have I have that right. Is that what you did? You did. We filed a lawsuit this

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week with the help of America's first legal nonprofit law firm. And our goal is to get all communications between Fannie Willis's office and the White House ORG regarding this prosecution. And the reason we have there's strong reason to believe that there were these White House contacts. Why? Because there are billing records where Nathan Wade PERSON and his team bill for two meetings, one apparently in Washington at the White House, one in Augusta GPE, Georgia, right, where the Masters EVENT golf course is often held. And there is no explanation for whatit is. And then in a ancillary court hearing, they revealed that there were at least two documents of communications between the Biden White House and Fannie Willis ORG regarding the case. So we put a Freedom of Information Act LAW request in. They came back and said, we don't have anything. And we said, well, you said in court you had something. You have billing records. So we're going to court now to force the disclosure of these records.have billing records. So we're going to court now to force the disclosure of these records. And it's important because this fact pattern that we have here is still a little vague. But if we can get to the document, it matches exactly what happened in the Jack Smith case. If you remember about a year ago, I think you, Bill PERSON, and I, we talked about this. There is a moment where the Biden White House counsel tells the National Archives ORG, sick the FBI on Donald Trump PERSON over these classified documents. There's a very specific memo.It says, please give the evidence to the FBI ORG. That initiates the FBI investigation that ultimately becomes the Jack Smith PERSON prosecutor. In all my years in Washington, I can't remember a time where a sitting White House ORG, a sitting president, asked a federal agency to go report their chief political rival to the FBI ORG to get an investigation started. So we already have that in fact and evidence. And now we've got these unusual White House ORG contacts with a local prosecutor pursuing their chief political rival.

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OK, the White House ORG, as you know, keeps logs of everybody who comes in and who they visit and how long they stay.

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Is that part of the FOIA request? Because then you could get Nathan. House ORG, as you know, keeps logs of everybody who comes in and who they visit and how long they stay. Is that part of the FOIA request? Because then you could get Nathan, you know, was he there? Who do you see? The Biden White House ORG makes those logs available publicly. The names do not show up. So

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the assumption we have is that these meetings were not in the White House ORG. They could be outside the

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White House. Clearly, a meeting in Augusta, Georgia is a long way from the White House ORG.

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So the operating assumption we have from the facts that we have in evidence right now is that maybe these meetings were off campus somewhere where the Secret Service ORG logs do not come.

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We don't know if anybody from Fannie Willis's office actually went into the White House ORG.

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But the guy billed the state of Georgia for a trip to D.C. But how did we get White House ORG out of that? Did he say, I met with White House ORG officials?

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Yeah, it's marked as a White House ORG meeting.

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That's what it's marked as.

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And then there's a separate one as a meeting in Augusta, Georgia. So we're trying to pursue both of those. With White House ORG officials there? Yes, he uses the term White House ORG. Yeah, he uses the term White House ORG.

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So we'll find out what that means. That't very smart of him yeah it wasn't well

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after watching him understand there's a lot of indiscretions that this man is going to be

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answering for i think one of the most important things is that in a court uh uh question and

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answer moment they do acknowledge that they have two documents from the biden white house they didn't describe them further other than to say that there are two documents that came or were derived from the Biden White House ORG. That's part of our lawsuit. We want those documents. We want anything having to do with setting up these meetings, what was discussed in the meeting, what the follow-up, why would a low-level guy like that be meeting with a White House ORG official about what? So that's a big story. And of course,I don't know of anybody but you that's really aggressively pursuing it, right?

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Not yet. No, I hope others follow us.

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I don't think Fox News has done it. And that brings me to Fatima Graves PERSON. Now,

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I've told Ted Cruz and a bunch of other senators and congresspeople that the wife of Matthew Graves, the U.S. GPE attorney in Washington, D.C., who was in charge of Hunter Biden's PERSON initial investigation and wouldn't take it, wouldn't do anything about it, has gone to the White House more than 20 times. Now, from my investigation, some of that had to do with Kamala Harris, because apparently Fatima Graves PERSON is a buddy of Kamala Harris PERSON. But she went there and we don't know why. Why would the wife of a U.S. attorney involved in the Hunter Biden investigation go over to the White House more than 20 times?

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So I'd like you guys to get on that story. We are. After we talked earlier this week, I've got two reporters now on that. We have some Freedom of Information Act requests we've sent to the Justice Department ORG. FOIA, White House ORG is exempt from FOIA, but we're working through the logs to see what other things happened around the time of these meetings to see if there's some topical meetings that are going on. Is it Hunter Biden PERSON?Does Hunter Biden's PERSON lawyers come in around the time? We are deep in a dive on that and we will stay on that. That is a great lead that we

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got from you, Bill. I appreciate that, John PERSON. I wish I could do it, but I don't have the staff that you have and I'm not in D.C. GPE Last question. How long does it usually take for the FOIA requests to be adjudicated finally? How long does it take? In federal court, it can be years. I have

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FOIA still pending from 18 to 19 that I'm litigating right now. In state law, like Georgia, Georgia is a very favorable open records law. And so we could theoretically see a resolution to this in the next three to six months, certainly before the election and probably before the summer. We feel very optimistic that we can get initial information discovery and the original documents out that may result in more FOIAs, more discovery, but we think this will be wrapped up by the summer. All right, John PERSON, thanks very much. We

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appreciate it. Keep us posted on all fronts. Will do, Bill PERSON. Thank you.

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You're listening to the No Spin News Weekend Edition WORK_OF_ART. I worked local news for, I don't know, let's see,

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seven years before I went national.

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And the two best stations I was at was WCVB in Boston GPE.

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And we talked to Phil Balboni PERSON, who now is our foreign news partner, last week. And WCBS-TV, owned and operated by CBS in New York City GPE. And my news director there was a man named Steve Cohen, who joins us now from San Diego GPE. And I got your book.

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All right. I got your book, 50 years in a newsroom. And you it by the way a eulogy a eulogy is it is it is local

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news dead is it over no it's not it's not dead but the but the books about the the newsrooms that

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you and i grew up in and you and i knew and those news newsrooms were not mainstream newsrooms.

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You know, there was no mainstream. We created what news was to be.

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You and me and John Tesh PERSON and a whole bunch of people that are now a generation of television news. And the reason that local news, I think, today needs a eulogy is let's remember what we were and perhaps we could get back to it that's the problem uh you know the reason those numbers that you just read are so low is because you go from station to station there's usually seven stations that do news now in a market they do about six to seven hours a day seven days a week is the same. Mainstream media has taken over, right?

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But it's all about money now for them. It's not about winning. You know, when I was working for

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you at Channel 2, the big kahunas were Channel 4 in New York, WNBC and WABC Channel 7 ORG. It was a

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fierce brawl to beat them in the ratings because you get overnight ratings every night. And we really were, you know, pushing it to be better than they were, more aggressive, better stories, all of that. That doesn't count anymore. All they want to do is make money. So if you're number three or number four,and I think that's why the quality has dropped.

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I think some of it's about income for sure. And it's because the guys that own these big organizations, there's only like three or four. You know, you got Tegnes, Sinclair, Nextstar ORG, Byron Allen's PERSON in the game now. They all have the same zeitgeist.They all believe the same things. And therefore, the kind of journalism we did, and when we competed in New York GPE, it was dog-eat-dog to get the best story. We didn't believe in official sources. We didn't trust anybody. We were skeptical of everything, including ourselves. We had wars in the newsroom over ideas and what we should cover. The newsrooms today are quiet places, Bill PERSON.And what we should cover, the newsrooms today are quiet places, Bill PERSON.

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They're a place of whispers and people using their thumbs instead of their intellect.

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If there is, in fact, any intellect extant in the newsrooms of America today.

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They're scared.

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They don't want to get fired. Now, at WCBS ORG, when I was there with you, there wasn't any ideology.

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Okay. You didn't bring that at all. It was get the story and get it right. And God help you. If you don't get it right. Um, you know, the anchorman, Jim Jensen PERSON will lay you out. Okay. And I never even do not one time did I think about ideology when I was working at Channel 2 ORG. But there was an incident, and I'm sure you remember, where I asked Governor Hugh Carey, a Democrat NORP, a very tough question about his poll numbers being driven down by his wife.

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I remember.

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And I got marched in to the general manager's office with you.

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And I looked at him and he goes and he got a call from Bill Paley, the guy who ran CBS, saying get this punk O'Reilly PERSON under control.

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Do you remember that? I do. I remember it very well.

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And I and, you know, I had I was very fortunate to have some history with William Paley PERSON, the chairman who sort of took a liking to me and got to know me.

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But I remember that meeting. And I remember both of us sort of being quiet.

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But we didn't back down, is my memory, that we did not back down, that both of us stood shoulder to shoulder and said, look, this is legitimate.

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And we were back. And as far as I remember, the GM ORG backed us, did he not?

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You know, his heart wasn't in it. It was a guy named Ed Joyce

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who got promoted to CBS, Dan Rather, National News ORG, and hired me to go there.

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But that was a snake pit. That was ideology. I was so different than local. So I bet my audience would like to know what a pain in the neck I was to manage way back then.

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I was ridiculous, right? Well, I think, yeah, you are. But the truth is that it's the other

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difference between newsrooms is that you have to be firm, but you have to embrace people that are who they are.

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And what you brought to the newsroom was, one, you had a sense of humor, right? So no matter how tough you were, you had a sense of humor. And second, you had a philosophy about what should be covered and what shouldn't.

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Well, that makes you hard to manage. Guess what? Tough. If you're in charge of a newsroom, you want people who are unique. You want people who are one of a kind. You demand people to be unique and different. We had folks like Vic Miles PERSON that were so unique

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and different in the way they did, Warner Wolf PERSON, who invented, who invented modern, modern sports casting. You know, Tesh was on, was,was leaving to, to, to seek his dreams and entertainment.

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Everyone had something else that was compelling and they were passionate about it. And even the anchors who were, as you grew up to be even more obtuse and even more crazy, right?

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But you know what? You had to find your voice, Bill PERSON. You had to find your voice. And all I tried

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to do, and in my 50 years as a news director, try to do is let people find their voice,

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because we need the multiplicity of answers. And you were the best. Yeah, I say that. You were the best. The book is 50 Years, a Newsroom, a Eulogy WORK_OF_ART. You want to know about local news, Steve Cohen PERSON is the man. And good to see you, Steve PERSON. Stay well.

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Thank you, Bill PERSON.

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I can't thank you enough for what you did for my career.

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I really appreciate that.

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And you embracing our friendship has meant so much.

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Take care, my friend. Okay.

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This is the No Spin News Weekend Edition WORK_OF_ART.

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We were celebrating Black History Month, but I didn't do it on the air. And what I mean,

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we were celebrating it. I did a lot of research and I put a lot of the research in it in confronting the presidents about black history. So it had a profound effect on our presidents. So I wanted to get somebody in, talk about Black History Month. And then the president of ABC News, an African-American woman, called Trump PERSON a racist. So then I said, hey, get Jason Whitlock PERSON in here. And we talked to him last night. Go.talked to him last night go in your life what event or events on the black history front do you feel were most important for you the most important black history moment for me

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is my mother and father and their commitment to me and my brother. And my parents divorced when I was about five years old. My brother was about eight. But both of my parents stayed very involved in our lives. We lived with my mom for most of my childhood. And then my senior year of high school, I went to live with my dad. And so the history that I'm most thankful for is that I had two parents that committed to investing and developing meand disciplining me and holding me accountable. Black history to me isn't reduced to a color. I'm thankful to the founding fathers for writing a Declaration of Independence and a U.S. Constitution LAW that led to the inevitable demise of slavery. And then all the people from Frederick Douglass to Richard Allen PERSON to all the abolitionists, to Abraham Lincoln, all the people that ended slavery and made America live up to the words promised in the Declaration of Independence and in the U.S. Constitution LAW.That's what I think about when I think about black history. I think about what an incredible journey and what an incredible role those founding documents and the people, black and white, who made this country live up to the words in that founding document.

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So are amazing. So you don't resent the fact that in the initial constitution in 1776, the founders didn't abolish slavery that you don't resent that.

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slavery then. You don't resent that. I don't resent it. It's a pie in the sky or it's a fantasy that the country could have even gotten off the ground if that had been placed in the

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original US constitution. That would be no United States of America GPE.

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Absolutely true. I think Thomas Jefferson PERSON and those guys were visionary enough to know that slavery, globally and at home, was going to have to die a slower death rather than an instant death.

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You're giving Jefferson PERSON going to get off the ground. You're giving Jefferson too much credit. And I'll in my upcoming book, Confronting the Presidents, I'll explain his mindset. But you're absolutely 100 percent correct when you say there would not have been a United States GPE because the southern colonies would never have signed on if that had been the abolition of slavery had been in the original constitution. Never in a million years. Now, I want to get one thing in the news here. So on February 23rd, Donald Trump PERSON, as he is wont to do, was telling his people in a rally aboutthe persecution directed at him. All right, he's very angry about it, and he makes it a central part of his presentation. Roll the tape.

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We've all seen the mugshot,

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and you know who embraced it more than anybody else?

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The black population. It's incredible. You see black people walking around with my mugshot. You know, they do shirts, and they sell them for $19 apiece. It's pretty amazing so the

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point was that black people have been historically unfairly treated in the criminal justice system so they identify with what's happening to him his point of view his opinion the president of abc news a woman of color kimberly goodwin writes a memo to all the ABC ORG employees. I'm going to quote it. No matter what one's politics, the fact that a person running for president of the United States made these remarks, but also to a public crowd with so many black people present and that they stand with him is mind blowing, shocking. These remarks are as racist as they come,unquote, president of ABC News, Kimberly Goodwin PERSON. What's your reaction to that?

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You can't argue that George Floyd represents all of black America GPE. And his pain and his suffering represents all of black America GPE. We need to make statues because George Floyd PERSON is so important to black people. Well, George Floyd PERSON was a career criminal. There's just no way around that. He was high on drugs when he died.He was in the process of trying to pass counterfeit $20 bills. He was resisting police. If you as a black person and the left can argue that George Floyd PERSON is representative of black people struggle and cry for justice, how can you argue that? And then when Trump PERSON says, well, dang, man, I'm being persecuted by the criminal justice system and black people are relating to it. He's just doing the exact same thing that you're doing.

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And so you didn't create, he's a phony. You didn't think there was anything racist about what Trump PERSON said? Uh, no, because I didn't, but I'm not, I didn't either.

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I, I didn't, I looked at it five times and I go, I'm not seeing which racist here, but I'm not a person of color and I'm not really qualified to speak for them.

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Yes, you are.

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Well, maybe so, but I don't like to do that.

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I don't because your experience and my experience are different.

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But what really troubled me is what really troubled me is the president of ABC News saying that they can't cover Trump PERSON fairly.

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She called him a racist. It's a gimmick and they need to cut it out.

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And people need Bill. I got to say this because it's been part of my messaging for 2024.

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White people got a man up and quit apologizing for being white and quit playing the left's game of, oh, I can't talk about this because I don't have your experience.

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These different shades of color don't make us have different experiences. I know some

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poor white people that grew up poor, just like I did. They faced unfairness. They had obstacles

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they had to overcome. Their parents divorced or were never married or any of that. People have

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far more in common than they do apart.

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All right, Jason.

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Good. We cover what I wanted to cover. Thank you for helping us out as always. I'm glad you're doing well. You can catch Jason on the blaze with Beck PERSON and all the crew. And we'll talk to you again soon, I hope.Thank you.

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As the nation gears up for another election season, tune to the first TV for the best coverage on television. Get an exclusive inside look at the American NORP political machine with Sean Spicer at seven. Unmatched analysis and historical perspective from Bill O'Reilly at eight. Then a bold, unapologetic take from Jesse Kelly at nine. It's must-see TV in primetime every night on The First ORG TV. Watch The First on DirecTV Channel 347, U-Verse Channel 1220, or DirecTV Stream. Here's a gem from the No Spin News Vault ORG.All right, let's go to the media.

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Glenn Beck and the Blaze ORG, okay? So Beck PERSON, his outfit, keeps a close eye on the Fox News channel. I don't. There's really no reason for me to do that. I mean, I'll once in a while cruise by there.But to me, it's a different company than when I worked there for more than 20 years. They paid me handsomely. I did my job. I'm glad I'm not there any longer. That was one of the best things that ever happened to me. You know how it's evolved out of that. So I don't really mess around with them. But Beck PERSON does. So Beck's people uncovered a charitable thing that's pretty interesting. So if you give money to a charity and you work at Fox News, the company will match up to $1,000 in donations. Okay, so if you give Big Brothers $5,000, then FNC will pop you another $1,000 check.That's $6,000 altogether. That's how that works. Anyway, the charities that are approved by the company are listed. Okay, so you know. Like you can't give charity money to your girlfriend, okay, or boyfriend. Now, three of the charities are the Satanic Temple ORG, I'm not kidding around,Planned Parenthood, and the Arch Leftist Southern Poverty Law Center ORG. They are on the approved list, or were. Okay. So Beck PERSON breaks the story, whereupon it's picked up by Newsmax and Eric Boley, who does the 8 o'clock program in prime time. And he invites the late Roger Ailes' PERSON widow on to talk about it. Now, you may remember that Roger Ailes ran Fox News and built it into the most powerful news agency in the world. He died a few years ago. Roll the tape.

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This is just a betrayal of the Fox News core audience that he had sought to serve for so long. And it's an example of how the Murdochs PERSON have decided that they will give us all these reasons why this is okay and they will seek to have a triumph of reason over instinct and all of us know that devil worship, gender affirming care, you name it, some of the themes of these organizations that are available to match the donations they are all they are evildoers okay so

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joining us now from Boca Raton Florida where he's getting Tanner PERSON by the second is the aforementioned Eric Bolling PERSON. So I don't know. I mean, right after you ran your segment, Fox News took the Satanic Temple ORG off the list, right? Do I have that right?

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Yep, 100%. I spoke to Beck on Friday night. By Sunday, they had removed the Satanic Temple as one of the matching, one of the qualified groups.

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I won't say charity. They'll say groups that they were willing to match up to $1,000 of employee donations.

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You know, they didn't take Planned Parenthood ORG off. I'm pretty sure they didn't. And I'm pretty sure they didn't take the Southern Poverty Law Center off either. But also interesting to know, well, let me just tell you, on yesterday's show, I had the founder of the Satanic Temple ORG on, his name is Lucian Greaves, who said, yeah, but you know, who cares? And I said, Lucian,you're wrong. There are qualified charities that would benefit from that money frankly i i was having a hard time talking to him i didn't think i should even be talking to someone who represented satanic worship and that's what they're all about um franklin graham i'll give you one bill franklin graham advertises on fox news you see it every night that wasn't one of the qualified charities but the satanic temple was all right now do you ask fox news you see it every night that wasn't one of the qualified charities but the satanic temple was

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all right now do you ask fox news for a uh apply reply or something so did beck and they they didn't

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reply to you or back is that correct well beck did you know we didn't we didn't well no no did you

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ask fox news for a comment no i asked beck if he asked Fox News for a comment. Okay, so they didn't reply to Beck PERSON,

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but obviously this got into the public, and so they removed the Satanic Temple ORG,

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and the devil must be mad. Now, there's a rumor floating around, and it was Greg Gutfeld PERSON donating

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to the Satanic Temple ORG. Is that true? I can't confirm or deny that. That's a joke. That's a

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joke, Media Matters ORG. We're making fun of Gutfeld. He makes fun of everybody. We or deny that. That's a joke. That's a joke, Media Matters.

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We're making fun of Gutfeld PERSON.

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He makes fun of everybody. We can do that. So I don't think there's anybody at Fox News who would donate to the Satanic Temple ORG. I could be wrong, but I don't know. But the fact that it's on there, that it's actually in print, is just so absurd I can't believe it. What it demonstrates to me is it's really nobodyin charge, nobody paying attention. Can't be. There just can't be anybody paying attention to

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this. Come on, Bill. I mean, the companies, last year they had a pride month. They had a big logo on their screens and they were constantly talking about let's celebrate break pride month. And it wasn't so, I don't know, embraced this year. So they stopped doing it. The board seems to be pushing into a more woke agenda, a more woke editorial, because when you do that, you open up your audience to a bigger audience. You can go grab some MSNBC audience viewers or CNN ORG viewers, because you're not just seen as a bigger audience. You can go grab some MSNBC audience viewers or CNN viewers because you're not just seen as a center right. I mean, Beth Ailes PERSON said it perfectly. Roger Ailesfounded, he brought Fox News to prominence under God, family, country, and in that order.

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And it seems like Fox News has lost at least some of that narrative. Well, it's certainly not as traditional as it was under Mr. Ailes. But, you know, look, Fox News remains number one because it is the only major. And Newsmax ORG is coming up. Your program has added a lot of viewers since Tucker Carlson left FNC ORG. But they offer still a traditional approach. As long as you have Hannity and Laura Ingraham, Waters now at 8 o'clock. I mean, these people are traditional conservative people. And FNC ORG has not interfered with them at all. Where they do, I understand, interfere is during the day day programming and that kind of like different buti wouldn't say that they're on a massive jihad to get msnbc ORG viewers bowling i don't think they're

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what well then what would be the what would be the purpose of they don't they don't care see it's a

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different thing when you and i know when you and i were there they cared i mean yeah because it was

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a structure you know let's let's talk about promoting the Satanic Temple ORG.

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We get our ass full of things like this.

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They weren't promoting the Satanic Temple ORG.

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It was just there.

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How do you say they're not promoting it? They gave them money. They would make a donation, dollar for dollar matching donation to the Satanic Temple ORG.

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Let me explain to you why I believe that happened. So when you and I were there, there was a structure of management with professional journalists. OK, write down the list. They all covered news stories. They had been around for a while. They were experienced people. The news gathering operation was fairly smooth.The news came in. Guys like you and me analyzed what came in. And then behind the scenes, there wasn't anybody. I mean, really. I mean, I did a lot of matching over there because my foundation gives a lot of money to charity, and they were always fine. I'd sign the checks, and it was always to the children's or the veterans' charities and all that. But now the people behind, the diversity people,they've taken a much, much larger role in that corporation.

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And that's what's going on. Why though? Why?

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Well, it's the way the management, the ownership wants it.

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They want it that way.

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Maybe, maybe. I was giving them more. I was actually giving more slack

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i was cutting them more slack by giving them the the business end of it like oh hey they're looking

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for a bigger audience so they're they're they're widening they know they're not going to get they're not going to get cnn or msnbc no they want to lure back the viewers that they've lost. I mean, at 8 o'clock, they're down, where my slot, down about 50 percent of what he used to do.

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So they're trying to get those people who have fled for one reason or another, all right, back.

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all right back but i don't think the satanic NORP temple donation program is the way to do it

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but you know maybe there are a lot of evildoers who you know have nielsen diaries yeah well i perhaps i i mean i i interviewed this guy lucian grieves yesterday and i literally on air said to

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him i i don't even i don't even feel comfortable talking to you. The guy's got one black eye, one white eye, and he's the-

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These guys are all loons.

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If you had an idea of what the devil would look like, it would look like him.

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But again, Bill PERSON, okay, fine.

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I just believe that their business model has evolved because maybe Rupert-

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Roger PERSON's gone.

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Rupert Murdoch PERSON may be taking a lesser role maybe the sons are taking a larger role they may be more liberal more inclusive more into diversity and

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that's i think that's what's happening but i'm also pointing it out because the audience that

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you develop bill and that i kind of tried to hold while i was there it's a different makeup it's a different demographic now than what there is.

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There is no more demographic. Twenty five to fifty four gone. Totally gone. Let's talk about Newsmax ORG. You guys are facing what FNC faced with the voting machines to lawsuits against Newsmax ORG. But you're not directly involved with any of that, correct?

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I wasn't here. No, I was.

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You weren't there. So that may impact Newsmax ORG if they settle or Newsmax settles or they lose in court. And there's a big judgment against the network. And Fox ORG had this big war chest. Thanks to me. And I appreciate you pointing it out, of billions of dollars they could pay this off, but Newsmax ORG does not. I'm a little bit worried there that the Dominion ORG lawsuit is going to hurt the network.

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I'm not being coy with you. It just happened prior to me coming here. You know, I see what the Dominion ORG, by the way, the Dominion settlement by Fox $787 million. Is that why Tucker PERSON got bounced right after? I don't know. Who knows?Maybe they were thinking about fighting it and no one wanted Rupert PERSON up on the stand. I have no idea. I can't even go because I'm not even involved. I'm not even privy to the legal machinations at Newsmax ORG.

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OK, so basically, basically at this point, there's two lawsuits pending against Newsmax ORG, but you're not involved. You're not covering. You're not doing that right.

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I'm not even looked in on on the zeitgeist within the office.

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It's going to be interesting because I think the country needs Newsmax ORG.

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We've certainly benefited, as you point out.

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First of all, you peaked.

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Your audience was the top tick on the audience numbers for Fox ORG.

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After you left, Tucker built some of what was lost by Fox News,

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built it back. And, you know, I know Jesse PERSON's a protege of yours. He's just not a Tucker PERSON, in my opinion. And just from Tucker alone, they lost a million viewers in primetime on average. Jesse brought it back maybe half of that, maybe just a smidge north of that. But we certainly had no downdraft this past week when Fox launched their new primetime lineup.

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I see the numbers every night and Newsmax ORG is on the rise, particularly your program, which is the highest rated show by far on it. Newsmax ORG because there is such an imbalance and there is no greater illustration of that than the Biden financial story. Without Fox News and Newsmax, nobody'd know about it.

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That's how frightening this is. Yeah, they all want your your uh talking points your motto were spot on margaret brennan is placed in on you know very high profile important journalism journalistic seat in face the nation moderator and she's like oh let's move on are you kidding me pull the threads a journalist like a a lawyer a good lawyer will start pulling the thread. So the idea of impeaching, first of all, Margaret Brennan should have been pulling more threads. But the idea of impeaching Biden PERSON makes sense because in the impeachment hearings, you lean on people. You talk to people.You find out you have more leverage.

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leveraged. It'll open the door. But in order to make it legitimate to the American NORP people and not

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a fiasco like the Trump PERSON stuff, which actually strengthened Trump PERSON, although it put him through hell,

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they've got to have this guy, Devin Archer PERSON, on Monday go in and say, I was there with Joe Biden and he was talking to Hunter Biden about Burisma, Romania, China GPE.He's got to say that. don't have that then you can't

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look what you're doing you're you're you pointed out three years ago three and a half years ago the narrative around the biden himself was saying i've never spoken to hunter about his crazy films

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but he gets away with it he gets well the goalpost keeps moving and now it's, well, KJP said, Joe's never been in business with Hunter PERSON.

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That's quite a far cry from I've never spoken to Hunter Paul PERSON.

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Well, the combination of this, which is a major, major story and a detriment to the Biden PERSON administration and his physical and mental decline.

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I suggest it to the White House ORG that rather than get a shorter stairs bowling, you know,

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to walk into Air Force One PRODUCT,

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he should get one of those little elevator seats.

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You can buy those, you know? You just go, whoo. You don't have to walk on those.

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You don't need those. I see pictures of you scuba diving with Holly PERSON.

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No, I have, I have. Is Holly PERSON okay? Is Holly all right? Holly PERSON's all right. She's racked out over here.

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She fell asleep.

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I see the hostage videos. I see, blink twice holly and and sniff something make sure you're actually alive holly is our big marketer i'll tell you that all right bowling thank you for coming on really appreciate it uh continued success at newsmax and we'll talk again soon i hope thank you bill see you on my show tuesday

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