BBCAN12 | April 30, 2024 Recap

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Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP ORG. I am your host, Karen Armstrong, and we are here tonight to talk about this dramatic episode of Big Brother Canada 12 WORK_OF_ART. And listen, I will literally die if you don't listen to this podcast. It will ruin everything. And with me to talk about all of that everything. It's Mike Bloom PERSON.How you do, Mike?

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I'm great, Taron PERSON. I don't know how to follow up on the... Is it a death threat if it's your own death? I'm not entirely sure, but you know Big Brother season is back and I'm decked out in all whales because we are having a whale of a time talking about good Lord, dramatics abound.

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Yes, well, uh, nobody knows Dramatics better than my next guest. It's Sasha PERSON. How are you doing, Sasha PERSON?

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I was like, which one is this?

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Both works, okay?

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Oh, my God.

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What an episode

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to come and talk about all of this mess with. I'm ready. Well,

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you heard it. Also with me tonight. It's Scali PERSON. I don ready. Well, you heard it. Also with me tonight. It's Scali PERSON.

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How are you doing, Scali PERSON? Hello, hello. Good, Taryn PERSON. I have expected you to open with your back to camera conducting the orchestra. But no, I'm excited to be here talking about what is quite an eventful week of Big Brother Canada WORK_OF_ART. Listen, Scali PERSON, do you even know what it's like to be perfect?Honestly, it was the most relatable I've ever seen someone on Big Brother Canada WORK_OF_ART.

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I was like, finally, I see myself on TV.

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That's what representation is like.

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I get it.

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For like super self-confident

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people, not self-confident at all.

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People, we need to be represented in all

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spectrums.

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The delivery on that

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line was flawless.

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Just fantastic. If this is what it took for Anthony PERSON to like really start shining with these like self-talks, he should have stopped being humble a long time.Seriously, his bakery's all out of humble pie.

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So he's just, like, throwing out some canolies in more ways than one. And it's incredible when you hear on the dailies the past couple days that Victoria GPE, in response to this move, is like, Canada GPE is going to hate him. He's going to become the villain. He'll rue couple days that Victoria in response to this move is like Canada is going to hate him he's going to become the villain he'll rue the day that he did this and here is this man alreadybasically writing his own hate tweets that he's going to lap up after the season for anyone that was like

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going to hate Anthony PERSON already hated Anthony and for anyone that liked Anthony PERSON like they're eating this up like everyone is super excited to see this side of Anthony PERSON on the main show yet again.

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Yeah, they cut out one of the, one of the best parts of that rant, which was, he was just like, listen, I'm the greatest of all time. Dane PERSON, sorry, bro, but you know you don't have this juice. Kevin Jacobs PERSON. Kevin Martin? Kevin Martin? Kevin Costner?

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Get out of there.

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Not the Yellowstone LOC slander.

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Karen knows Kevin Costner.

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Wow.

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It was great.

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And I mean, here's the thing.

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What are we? Right? I watched Sunday's episode, you know, just like, all right, the plan is in place. It's obviously Bailey and Todd PERSON go on the blog. It's a one out of five chance that spicy wins. And I was talking a lot about scenarios.I was talking about how I felt like you shouldn't say the plan ahead of time because now if spicy does win, you're in a lot of trouble. Your main priority should be protecting Lexus. And then with like 10 minutes left in that episode, Anthony just like blinds me. And he's like, all right. So I'm thinking I nominate Lexus ORG. And I lost my mind. I was like, you are kidding me. Like, that is, that seems like such a terrible decision.Because you've now changed the odds from a one in five bad outcome in the veto, where no matter what happens, as long as spicy doesn't win, Lexus ORG is guaranteed safe, to now you have to basically, you or Lexus ORG must win in order to guarantee Lexus is safe. It's now a two in five chance of winning that veto and making sure that Lexus ORG stays in the game through the mechanics of the game, I guess. And that to me just felt like such an absurd risk to take at this stage of the game.

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That's because you're not perfect.

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And yet, right? Like, and I talked about this on Sunday on my stream. It's, you know, we didn't schedule a podcast for that night because who knew? But like, it is, it is a difference. And I talk about, like, to me, it feels like how we talked about Surrey GPE in a lot of ways, in Big Brother 25 WORK_OF_ART, where it's like, yes, you can look at the chess board and you can say,this is the objectively correct move from a strategic standpoint given the rules of chess. This is a problem, like chess has problems you can solve and there's a correct answer. But what some players are able to do is change the rules of chess. And that's what Anthony PERSON did with this move. And as long as it, I should say, as long as it lands, as long as it does actually land.

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Well, and then there's one thing about it landing and then it's, is it going to land a week from now as well of, okay, there's logic behind this. Is this the correct logic? And I mean, it's fantastic. And I feel like we were already eating good with Big Brother Canada 12 up to this point. You know, we already had a blind side of a number, number one ally for the ages with Dennis and Vivek that come out of nowhere. We even had all this stuff with Kayla PERSON as well that felt like a big turn of the screw.This feels like a whole new level. Like, if I may be so candid, I think we're witnessing the Big Brother equivalent of Lex and Boston Rob PERSON. Not since those days, 20 years ago, have we had a betrayal that was grounded in something so outside of the game that brought so many emotional and pre-existing elements into it. That wasn't just, oh, we found ourselves in this game and then we betrayed each other. This is, you could see Victoria GPE's meltdown over this quite literally in front of that fake fireplace that, like, she feels legitimately crushed by someone that she considered a friendoutside of this house.

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That comparison was so unexpected for me that it took me at least three seconds to go from

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when did lexas interact with boston rob yeah it took me a second just listen i know no survivor fan here so

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i was like what do you mean when did this happen there was a lexas yeah boston rob won alexis

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with amber and survivor all-stars they went to go and the Press together. Yes, I knew there was a car involved somehow.

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Yeah, I mean, definitely.

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This is, and throughout the episode for me,

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the thing that continued to, like, nag on my mind was the question I've had really all season long, which is like, how much does Spicey PERSON actually believe what she's saying about her loyalty to Anthony PERSON? Right?Because I watch Spicey PERSON in the game. I watch her in the house. And I see how she interacts with and lies to her fellow contestants. And I know that she will do everything in her power to convince them that she is on their side as much as possible. And I also know that she cares a lot about like optics. She told Anthony the reason she gave the sympathy vote to Avery PERSON was because of hot chocolate.She didn't want hot chocolate to have no votes, you know, all votes against themselves. When she took out Donna PERSON, she said to the camera's like, America, Canada GPE, don't hate me. You know, I'm not anti-woman. And then, you know, she mentioned in the house about how it was like, you know, I could never turn on Anthony PERSON because the alumni community would hate me.And so similar to, I think, how she plays the game, it's like, well, I think she's trying to like have all of the cake and eat it too where it's like, I'm not any of these things. I'm all for the women winning 100%. But I'm also all for Anthony winning 100%. And I'm also all for like every conceivable angle 100%.And so it feels like I'm primed to expect her to try to play me in the diary room when she says, I'm so loyal to Anthony PERSON. But at the same time, it's like, how does she ever expect me to believe in? And there's so much reason to think that she might actually believe it herself, right? And so it gets so hard to parse out exactly how much of this is genuine belief that she hasn't done anything wrong to Anthony PERSON and how much of it is like just active trying to trick us,you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, especially because part of that Canada GPE don't hate me.

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Like it's only Donna was there will be two women in the final two.

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Like I will make sure of it.

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And so that was like explicitly said in the diary room.

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And so at that point, I kind of believed that.

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And I don't know if we have developed along the way because I was trying to keep like an eye on spicy these conversations with everyone else in the house. And so I'm looking at how she talks to Anthony versus how she talks to Todd PERSON. And I was like, when she's talking to Todd PERSON, like this feels like you can tell she's lying. Like she's not putting in a whole lot of effort. But I also wonder if that's because she has such a low estimation of Todd PERSON's game that she's not putting in that much effort and thinks she can literally,like completely get away with whatever she wants to say and whatever tone she uses. And it won't matter. But it does come off more genuine when speaking to Anthony PERSON, even outside of that last conversation.

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I will say this. If not for specifically the diary rooms, if it was, if I only ever saw episodes without diary rooms and all of the drops, I would never in a million years believe that she was planning to bring Anthony PERSON to the final two or loyal to Anthony in any serious way.

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I would say you're an absolute fool if you believe that. Which is part of the problem, which is why Anthony PERSON said, okay, I can understand why you've been wanting to take me outand you've been undercutting me because despite you promising me, you want to take me to the final two, your actions have proven essentially anything but outside of like you saying, yeah, but you're still here. That means I'm doing something right.

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Yeah, it's just, it's so, it's so tricky to navigate. And so, you know, and this is, but this is like the card that she's playing with Anthony PERSON in this moment. And clearly it's not the right one in this moment. Like it doesn't seem to be working with Anthony PERSON in this moment and clearly it's not the right one in this moment like it doesn't seem to be working with Anthony at this point at leastand so like is it enough to sway Anthony can she get Anthony PERSON to believe what she is selling even though it's noteven though like the truth of it is that it's not true. Whether she believes it's the truth or not is another question, but can she convince him of something that is not true? And would that be enough to change his plans in the first place? It doesn't feel like it because like he fully left Bailey PERSON off the block. Like at that point, you're really in trouble.But, but especially because, like, if he didn't put up spicy, if he did say put up Bailey PERSON, he is now not only not taking the shot at spicy after having set it up, but he's also relying on her to not vote out Lexus ORG. Here's the thing.

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I think there are so many, like, scenarios of, like, oh, do we believe spicy? on her to not vote out Lexus ORG. And here's the thing. I think there are so many like scenarios of like, oh, do we believe spicy? Right. Like she's a great gas lighter. And that's fine.And that's what we want on Big Brother WORK_OF_ART, period. Right. Girl boss, gaslight, gate keep. I like that. Keep going. The thing is Anthony PERSON just needs to say, she got friends in jury.I'm not beating her. And that's it. We don't need anything else. And he does say that. Don't get me wrong. But then I think there is that human aspect, right?Of like, I know her. We're probably friends in real life. We, you know, we've made it this far. Blah, blah, blah. I don't want to screw her. At the end of the day, if you're going to go villain, let's just be the villainand say, you're not going to beat me in final four. I don't think you say that to her face necessarily because she, she's a little addictive and she got a lot of friends.

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But I think that's a little better than what he has been doing,

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which is like the Vanessa Russo PERSON, here are the reasons why I had to do it.

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And like, he does come in right with the receipts and the facts and the figures and everything

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like that and like that's great. And it's been marvelous to watch. I can't think since like maybe Polly Califiori PERSON have we not seen someone's game implode over the course of like only a few days rather than Saria PERSON's an example where the air was just slowly getting let out of the balloon. But in this case, I feel like Anthony PERSON also kind of wanted to make her feel like,hey, you did this to yourself. And I think Victoria GPE, I think it's already been kind of saying in some of the daily drops that I've been seeing that like she was not happy when she heard that and that she feels like she is kind of being likeguilted into, well, I had to do this because you were the one that was leading me along with all this.

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Yeah, it's definitely tricky. And I think with most circumstances, I think that the play is to try to keep it game as much as possible. I think that people try to justify their actions too much in the game. And that may be the case here. But it is also like a situation where they do know each other outside of the game. And that may be the case here. But it is also like a situation where they do know each other outside of the game. And I think that definitely does complicate things.And it also complicates things because like Anthony PERSON's whole shit, his whole thing, is that he will bring somebody to the end that could possibly beat him. And, and, you know, whether that's true or not, if it is true, then he's just genuinely being honest with her about the only reasons he's doing this. And if it's not true, he can't exactly tell itto the person he's about to send home because then she'll sing it from the rooftops. You know what I mean? Like, uh, so it is like a tricky, I think, thing to navigate, uh, especially because we know that spicy is going to have a lot of sway in jury. Um, and, and that's, that's one of the reasons. That's one of the main reasons I think why I'm so caught up on how much of this does

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she believe herself because if she actually somehow believes that she's never done any wrong

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to Anthony PERSON, then I think she's a lot more likely to go into jury feeling like how dare this guy he doesn't deserve to win after what he did. But if she either at least partially knows or certainly if she fully knows, like I was dogging Anthony PERSON all season long. He caught me. I'm just trying to pretend I wasn't. And part of that performance will probably be then voting for him in the end.I think she's a lot more likely to be a vote for Anthony PERSON in the end. So how much of it does she believe is the book? The question on my mind, the question that I plan to potentially ask her if I am going to be speaking with her.

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I mean, how much do we think the timing helps or hurt this?

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She's going to get evicted one week before the finale. And we see this with like final four jurors who barely get time to send most likely with final three jurors who just go to the chairs and don't consult with the jury at all. Do you think having more or less timewould help her? Let's say she does leave a bit bitter. Does that giving less or more time allow her to change her mood better or worse? It's hard to say, I think.

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I don't think it only takes a week for Spicey PERSON to stop getting upset about something.

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That's what I was going to say.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that especially when you have such a stronghold on the game for so long as Spice PERSON did,

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like I think that there are some players.

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And I think that I may or may not fall into thinking like this occasionally of like,

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even if I did do something wrong, you shouldn't have been able to see through this. And so I'm still a little mad about it. Like I did do this to you, but you should still believe me. So I'm mad. Like I am very frustrated. It's the thing where it's like, if, if you had believed the things I was telling you, you should have had no reason to doubt me. But you did doubt me despite everything I was telling you.

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And yes, I was lying, but you should have believed me.

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How dare you?

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She is, I think, and I mean this as a compliment, like just Dulhu enough to where I don't think she sees the bigger picture. And listen, at the end of the day, maybe she sees the light when it's time to vote. But currently, I do feel that, you know, hearing the outdoor chat and how she's like, I would literally die.What she, I think, didn't finish the sentence, die of embarrassment because you played me. You put a clown nose on me. And I don't like that so tim i don't even think anything matters it's more that she's like look how i was acting right not just in the diary room but she um when todd wins she goes into the the solo cam and she's likei'm not going anywhere sorry ba, Bailey PERSON. You're done. I guess it's on now. So there's a lot of ego because this would be me too. I'd be like, I'm embarrassed. Like look at me. You know, because the thing is if this happens to me, right? If everybody's plotting on my ass and I don't know this, the earth.And if the earth didn't open and swallow me up from, like, what do I do? Right? So that's where I see her as a player where she's like, no, you embarrassed me.It doesn't even matter. Why? Right? Because everyone's a main character of their own story. So I just feel like in her mind, she's like,no, but you played me. And I don't like that. And you got all the quote unquote underlings to like turn against me when it was my stick to work with them and lie to them.

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Yeah, especially when like I think that this can often have because because here's why I often would recommend against trying to justify yourself too much by placing the blame on the person. Like these are the things you did wrong. Because I think the more a person is inclined to blame themselves, the more likely they are to lash out all the harder against the people who did it to them.Because nobody wants to feel bad, especially about themselves. And so they have more incentive to push it onto somebody else if it is being pushed onto them by either themselves or another person. And in Spice PERSON's case,like, it's hard, I think, for her to look at the game and not find all of the things that she did that led to this moment.

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Like the Kayla PERSON eviction, the various things she has said about Anthony PERSON, the fact that she basically just like hollowed out her own game in order to protect Bailey and Todd PERSON all of this time, only for them to be snatched out from under her.It's just like at every turn, it's like I should have done something different.

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And emotionally, I think there's a shortcut to not feeling bad about that by just saying, well, freaking Anthony PERSON though.

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Yeah. It would have been fine if not for him.

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That's the thing is that like there is sort of this not confirmation bias because nothing is confirmed, but this idea of like, yeah, but I was going to win. I mean, we have to look at in this episode, she is on cloud freaking 19after that nomination ceremony, gloating.

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I can't.

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I can't believe I'm not put on the block. Here we go. I'm doing it all over again. Like she is already writing that check in her head and then to just take a huge fall down to her basically begging for her life in front of Anthony PERSON. Probably what?Like timeline wise two days later, it's a lot to recover from. And, you know, we shall see exactly what the mood is as she walked out. This could also be something where, like, maybe at the end of the day, she's going to go back to one of the many things she told the cameras, which is like, yes, Anthony PERSON, you know, didn't me a little bit dirty, but I don't want to piss off the alumni community by not giving him the win. I think he deserves.Here's a prediction, I think, that could happen,

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given what we've seen as spicy in the house, right? Spicy comes out, she casts her vote. Oh, it's for Anthony PERSON. But Goose, Avery, Kayla, Todd PERSON, maybe, like a bunch of other people in the jury house. Oh man, they just all voted for Lexis PERSON, maybe.

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Like, Haley PERSON, yeah. He was a sympathy vote.

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She loves them.

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And Spicey PERSON's just like, oh, man, there was just nothing I could do.

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I tried so hard to get them to vote for Anthony PERSON.

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But I just, I went in and they all just already felt that way.

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And then of course, like the ex-interviews are like, wait, I thought she was voting with us.

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She wanted us to do that.

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I beg.

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When I, I love liking all of these people because I'm like, they could all win. It's fine. I don't actually care. So tell me I want maximum chaos. And Anthony PERSON deserves to win. I'm like they could all win. It's fine. I don't actually care. So to me, I want maximum chaos. And Anthony PERSON deserves to win. I'm not saying that.But let's keep logic over there. And let's go the spicy Vero PRODUCT. I beg that this happens. I beg that she's the first vote somehow. I don't care. Arissa figure this out.Red and she's like Anthony PERSON. And then the dominoes fall horribly. Oh my God. I would dance in my room. Like I'm not even joking because I love mess and no one deserves this, but I deserve to win and this is how I win.

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I mean, share her and Avery PERSON. No matter how she feels, it's going to be magnified so much, right? The two of them were the two dumb bitches that just say exactly to each other meme, right? We're like, they were always feedingeach other's worst habit. Just yapping.

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Yeah, exactly. Not calling them dumb bitches, but more

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so speaking to the meme. And so I think that no matter what number she walks into the jury house with, Avery PERSON is going to amplify it. We'll see if like Kayla PERSON is a part of that as well. She was formerly, though maybe not necessarily anymore.And so this is what we need. I'm hoping for a jury house segment tomorrow and maybe another one at the final four eviction show because this just feels too good to resist, especially with this cast.

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Well, that's, so that's the thing. That's one of the things that Spicey PERSON tried to claim to Anthony where she was like, no, it was all Avery PERSON. Like, Avery PERSON was just so against you. And there was nothing I could do. And Anthony PERSON was like, excuse me?The Avery PERSON. The person who was like, Spice PERSON, you're my favorite player. Like, she literally took out her best friend, Kayla PERSON, for you on your order. You're telling me that you couldn't control Avery PERSON. And she's like, no, yeah. Like I stopped Avery PERSON from putting you on the block,which is technically true. Avery did come up with a plan to put Anthony on the block as upon and Spicey PERSON shut it down. But there's a couple of caveats to that. One, Spicey started down because she wanted the Matt PERSON backdoor plan to go through. Two, the only reason Avery even thought about putting Anthony PERSON on the block was because ofeverything spicy had been telling her about Anthony for the last like two weeks.

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Who cares? Maximum chaos. Come on, everybody. who cares maximum chaos come on everybody

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um so uh so yeah I mean this is this is where we are and we'll we'll see where things go I guess let's let's talk a little bit more aboutmore about the episode and then we'll talk about the latest from the drops because there's a lot to speculate on, I think, moving forward. Sowhat we saw in the episode, we saw the veto competition. And I will say, I was starting to get a bad feeling about the competitions. I've got a lotof like competition related trauma in my Big Brother WORK_OF_ART viewing experience. And I've got a lot of like competition related trauma in my Big Brother viewing experience. And I've talked about how like I didn't even, I didn't really want to talk about the competitions yet until I watched them all play out because I didn't want to compliment a show and then have it, have it fail me. And when I saw Todd won his third veto in a row, I was like, all right, okay. I don't know. Are we, are we getting, are we getting more bad?

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Are we jagging off right now?

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Yeah.

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Like, are we tying up things again, you know? But seeing this competition, I think it is still an example of what I've talked about, where it's like if you do give athletic competitions, if you do put athletic competitions in the game too often you will then see something like this where it's like okay Todd has won three comps in a row and three vetoes in a row and I would say that they all seem relatively fair now throw in two athletic comps in the mix just two two athletic two athletic comps, three non-athletic comps.All of a sudden, Todd's won five, right? Because he can still win the other ones. So that being said, I loved this comp. I thought this was fantastic.

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So good. It was so good. Like I loved all the stages. And I loved, again, like this sort of random-esque element towards the end,

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I would say. We're like, you could still puzzle things out. And it was, it incentivized those people that were able to get through the course quickly so that they had multiple shots. That's what happens with Todd. He goes through what three times and still gets it. But there's still this element of like, yeah, but we can still keep it even because there is a forced element where unless this person's super lucky, they're not going to get it on their first try.

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This is exactly the kind of innovation I have been sort of like campaigning for, for the show, where it's like, this is essentially a crapshoot comp stacked on top of a skill com, which are two of my favorite kinds. And yeah, so it wasn't just pure crapshoot because some people don't like those. a skill com, which are two of my favorite kinds. And, and yeah, so it wasn't just pure crapshoot,because some people don't like those, and I understand that, even though I do. But it added that the skill element where, like, yeah, Todd PERSON was really good at the skill portion,and it allowed him to have more attempts at the crapshoot portion, which is really cool. And the crapshoot portion was fun enough to watch. The skill portion was fun and easy to watch. It also, itcreated a lot of separation as well. Between the players, you could very easily see who was in the lead at what time. Oh, this person finished their thing again. They're now taking another attempt. Oh, are they going to win? It waseasy to follow. I think it worked on a ton of different levels and keeps you very engaged to the very end where it's like with most competitions, they'll have to try to trick you like, oh, this person that's like five minutes in the lead, could they be beat though?Where as with this one, it was like anytime anybody went up there, they genuinely had a chance, no matter how far behind they had been previously. So anything, like, I was watching this, knowing spicy didn't win,being like, oh my God, spicy. Could win this. Could, like, could have really won this. Like, uh, and that's, that's a great, great thing. I think that this was, uh,absolutely a, a great call. I think, especially after that double eviction where I was just like, what are we doing? Great stuff with this one. And overall, the competitions have still been very good.I'm listening to waiting to see what this final four veto is going to be because that's always my least favorite competition. Always favors the same exact kind of person. But this was fantastic. Yeah.

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I really liked it. When I first saw that maze, I was like, all right, Mario Party, I really liked it.

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When I first saw that maze, I was like, all right, Mario Party, like green, so I'm going to pick green, whatever. Like, that's my favorite color. But then when Anthony PERSON actually did it, I was wondering if anyone was looking at him, like, you're not going to even try.Like, you're really just like going to go and just go at random. And like the guy who we have said, like to make sure that he also like is winning a couple comps. Looks like he's trying in a couple comps. Maybe that's not the best move to just actually look like you. Who cares? Whatever.I'm just going to wing it.

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But I think with the people left, probably fine.

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I thought that was the best strategy because it because if it was truly just a crapshoot, you could follow the paths all you wanted. There was a hidden portion. So like, why waste time, right?

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Especially because he was in a very, very distant last place.

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And so for him, and also he benefits from the fact that, I don't know how many were up there, like 10, 12 options, and a few had gone down at that point.

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So he's like, the odds are pretty good for me. So let me just flip one over and see what happens. He also was probably incredibly frustrated. You say, Taryn PERSON, how much fun it was to watch. It was, but it was a little bit of Schadenfreude on behalf of these contestants that, like, as Lexus ORG said, will probably never get ice in their drinks again for a little while,at least, given just how incredibly frustrating. You know what? This really honestly felt like the most survivory challenge we've seen, especially from an individual perspective, right? Where it's like, do all of these individual dexterity-based tasks and then do a big equalizerat the end. In this case, it was puzzle-esque, I would say, but still, again, had that random element

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to it. I love the survivor to have more crapshooty stuff.

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Me too, me too. How did you all feel about knowing which color wins? Did that? Because again, I knew who won the veto, but it didn't matter. It was still such an exciting comp that I wish I almost didn't know what color wins. Because I was like, oh, is Todd PERSON going to win? Who's going to? Is this going to be the right color?

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Is that going to be the right color? Again, even though I knew the end, I just couldn't believe that the man went through three times and still one. And these people have not balanced that damn lime. Like, forget the ice. Limeis a real, you know, an enemy here. I couldn't believe that Bailey PERSON and Victoria didn't even make it once past that damn thing. Yeah, well, I was

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trying to figure out like like, what it was. It was basically that you had to navigate it around this sort of arc-like surface,

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but there were no guardrails.

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So there was like a little bit of a guardrail at one point, I think.

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But most part, yeah.

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It's one of those things like the ice things seemed impossible.

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And yet people did it.

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Some people did it pretty quickly. And then the lime thing seemed super easy to me. And they had so yet people did it. Some people did it pretty quickly. And then the lime thing seemed super easy to me. And they had so much trouble with it.

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And so, like, just, yeah, I think it was one of those things where it's probably a lot

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harder than it looked.

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Or maybe they're all just really bad at it. I don't know. Anthony PERSON got through it pretty quickly.

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Ironically enough, the ice was the thing that he probably, the rest of us would probably struggle

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with the most, which is just staying there the whole damn time stacking ice cubes. I think his size probably hurt him theresince they had to step on the thing to keep it stable. Like he's got like longer legs. And so I think, yeah,it may be a little harder to keep that balance.

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So I'm thinking as a tall, like as a sh shorty, like are my hands even reaching all the way to

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like? It's a calibrated for height.

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Oh, is it?

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I don't know.

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I maybe not.

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So here's the other thing.

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I think besides Anthony PERSON height was all right.

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I would imagine to the point about like maybe the comp equity becoming a bit more imbalance towards the end here that you could look at Todd with the three Pete PERSON and be like, oh my God, he's got to go next. But you say that these last couple comps, and like especially part three of the final HOH ORG is pretty much all trivia. That's what Kevin Martin taught us.You know, you got to get the cheat sheet. You got to study up. Todd PERSON doesn't even know where the Cliffs PERSON notes are he was given them at the beginning of the semester and lost him at the bottom of his closetlike this guy I don't think knows his days whatsoever and I think that makes him a prime person to bring to the finale

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he does he does know his days he's definitely the weakest in the days depart he has studied with the other players. He occasionally, he verypublicly got one day very wrong. It was corrected for him. He is definitely not as quick on the draw when he's studying. But, you know, the thingalways comes down to like, are the questions hard enough for it to matter? Because if there are easy questions, Todd PERSON has, I would say, very little disadvantage in terms of knowledge. If they're moderate questions, then we'll start to see some separation. If they're hard questions, I definitely think he has a hard time winning a quiz. So, like,it really just depends on the difficulty level of the questions themselves. But, but yes, I think this is probably best case scenario for the kinds of comps we do usually get where it's like, yes,Todd PERSON is going to be the most capable physically of winning these competitions, but he is also the weakest at the quiz portions. And so hopefully that balances things out enough that we still get a good spread. So yeah, well, we will see. We will see what happens there. Should we talk about some daily drops?

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Let's do it. Yeah. All drops? Let's do it. Yeah. All right.

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Let's do it. We've got some spoilers.

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Do you guys hear that?

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No.

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Just in my heart.

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Did you make me?

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I was like, I was like, I didn't think it worked, but then Sasha PERSON was dancing.

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I was ready. I told you. She was, but then Sasha PERSON was dancing. I'm ready.

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I told you.

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She was preemptively dancing.

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Prep dancing.

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My soundboard is broken right now, so we're not going to get this point.

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Not this.

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I mean, it's okay because like, should we follow up with like the biggest spoiler,

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which is the resolution to the cliffhanger that they needlessly put in here?

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Yeah, I will, uh, let me, let me just quickly reenact the conversation that cliffhangered here. Uh, Anthony goes up. He pulls in Bailey PERSON. Yeah, I will, let me, let me just quickly reenact the conversation

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the cliff hangered here.

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Anthony PERSON goes up,

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he pulls in Bailey PERSON,

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he says,

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did she really say those things?

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And Bailey PERSON says,

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yes.

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And he said,

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yeah,

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I thought so.

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I mean,

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she's going up anyway.

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So it doesn't matter.

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I don't know.

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Why do you end on that?

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And how do you not end on the beautifully cinematic ending, complete with the gods themselves brought the rain to make this even more epicto represent the fire and water that these two oppositional returnees are at this point and it all ends with Anthony PERSON running out of things to honestly respond to at this point his mind already made up despiteher furtive cries and please of no please don't do this to me. You're killing me. He just gets up and walks away. How do you not end your episode on that? Like, I guess they're trying to build in some sort of mystery of like, Bailey PERSON's the key here. But to your point, Taryn, Anthony PERSON was holding the keys the entire time. Yeah, I get it. They want to, like,

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add a little bit of uncertainty. I don't think that's necessary. I agree. I think it would have been better to end on the drama. And just, like, yeah, the shot of him walking awaycut to black would have been really fun, I think. But, I also think that, you know, putting her on the block at the end of the episode would have been really fun.

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Exactly. Thank you. An awful idea.

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But that said, you know, we've been talking, Mike and I at least have been talking about the circle and the just god-awful cliffhangers that they have on there. And compared to that, this is like, you know, this is like Citizen Kane PERSON.

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Yeah, this would have been, the circle would have ended with the POV ceremony and Anthony PERSON saying,

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my replacement nominee is and then it would cut to an external shot of the house and then say, come back next week and find out what happens. No, but in then in the preview, they would have shown spicy sitting on the blog. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, so the benefits are, like, you know, so's. So,

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Oh, my God.

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You know, so the benefits are, listen, there's an episode tomorrow night. It's the cliffhangers. On top of that, you can find out if you want by watching the drop. So I'm definitely less concerned about the cliffhangers.In fact, if anything, like, I'm fine with them mixing the formula up here and there. But the only thing I don't like about it, the true thing I don't like about it is that it makes it less likely we're going to get a live HOH tomorrow night because they have to fit in the ceremony on top of everything else. But, you know, I don't think that's the, I don't think they're going to push the live HOH ORG for that.It's just that they probably already didn't plan on having it in there. And then they were like, oh, so we've got time.

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Well, right, because we have Sunday, Monday, Wednesday. Again, we have a full week. So it makes sense that they do HOH nominations on Sunday because this is final four. It's relatively straightforward. It doesn't matter. And then POV and veto meaning slash eviction on that Monday.

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So here's the thing. I tweeted this out on Monday that we saw the drops happen. At the end of the drops, Spicey PERSON was sitting on the block and, or close enough to it. And I said the shot landed,Spicey PERSON's on the block, but the week is far from over because she's sitting next to Lexus ORG. And Bailey and Todd PERSON have already had a conversation where they talked about A, spicy being the weakest competitor of the remaining players, and B, when spicy leaves, it will be 2V2 in the final four. And those two points were brought up in the same conversation.All you need to do is combine those two points to come to the conclusion that, hey, maybe we should consider keeping the weakest competitor in spicy, taking out Lexus, and giving us much better odds at the final four. There's a pretty good argument to do that for both of them, although technically, if you're Todd, you probably can only win next to Lexus ORG, and so that complicates things. But he doesn't really see it that way, in my opinion.So there's a lot of reason to believe that they could, on their own, even without talking to Spicey PERSON at all, come to the conclusion that for their own self-interest, they should betray Anthony and Lexus ORG, vote Lexus out and keep Spice into the final four. And there's plenty of time for them to come to that conclusion, not to mention the fact that Spicey PERSON could campaign to them,offer them promises, clear up some inconsistencies, and just like that, this could really all come back on to Lexus, which is why the move in the first place seemed so ludicrous. However, today's drop, which was just about an hour and 45 minutes, a lot shorter than most have been, had some information in it that, to me,indicated that Spicey PERSON's odds have gone down pretty considerably. Number one, her campaign has not been great. She is making the classic mistake of trying to play every single conceivable angle rather than just picking a lane and sticking to it, which is especially egregious in this spot because there only is one lane. It's literally just Bailey and Todd PERSON.They are the votes. They control it. It's you only campaign to the, Anthony and Lexus ORG have nothing to do with it. Yet, Spicey has spent a lot of time and effort campaigning to Anthony and even Lexus ORG,who's on the block next to her, which then gives them a ton of ammunition to bring back to Bailey PERSON and Todd about all the things she's saying. And it makes her look really bad. Makes her look like a player that cannot be trusted. If she promises Bailey and Todd PERSON anything, they can't be believed because she will play every angle. So in many ways, Spicey PERSON's campaign, I think, has made it worse for herself,less likely that she will stay. And then on top of that, Anthony and Lexus ORG have been doing a good job of staying on top of Bailey and Todd PERSON so far. And then the final point, the point that really drove it home for me that like, oh, it's really not looking good is that when I tweeted yesterday that the week was far from over, at around the same time,I'm pretty sure the weekend.

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Yeah, because they said, right, they were talking about like a live eviction tomorrow and it was on April 28th,

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which would indicate that it was yesterday. We believe that the eviction took place yesterday, much shorter, that much sooner than,

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obviously, tomorrow night would have been. And I completely agree with what you were saying in particular to your first point. I mean, look, it's tough for a tiger to change their stripes. Victoria was somebody that spent the entirety of this game talkingout of all possible sides of her mouth and making sure that she was set up good with everybody. It's a reason why with the exception of the Tola HOH ORG she was pretty much in with every single HOH this season even if it wasn't her.At the same time, if the reason why people are turning on you is because they're comparing notes and saying, oh, she's telling us all different things to turn us against each other. I think the last thing you want to do is go to people and tell them all different things to turn them against each other. You are only proving the points that have been accused against you. I just, it's so hard

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because it worked for her this far, right? So you can't even fault her for it. And I think there is some level of I don't know, Huber PERSON or something, you know, some almost like a block where she's not putting the pieces togetherthat Anthony PERSON is no longer on her side. So what is the reason to go and tell this guy? Because mistmaster, right, this guy is, so why are we giving him any, even a crumb of info about yourself to where he's now able to turn it on you and save Lexus ORG. The Lexus thing is just hilarious that she's talking to her. But I feelthat like Bailey PERSON could have been swayed, but you have to give her so much reassurance and just be like, girl, I needed to tell Anthony PERSON all this, but you know it's us. Here are the screenshots, receipts, right? Like everything as to why I have been, but you know it's us. Here are the screenshots, receipts, right? Like everything as to why I have been here for you the whole time and just keep pulling her away instead of, I wouldn't even be looking at Anthony PERSON.I mean, like, you're dead to me. Bye.

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Which is exactly what she should be doing

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because the story that she needs to be selling right now

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is I am the most anti-Anthony PERSON person in this world. And at the final four, he is the only person I will even look at if I hold the veto.

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Which should be extremely reassuring to Bailey and Todd because Anthony PERSON cannot be safe.

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He can't win the final four H-O-H which means that if that's true, if Spicey PERSON sells that story, then they can't be evicted by Spicey or in that spot unlesssomehow, you know, Anthony PERSON wins and decides to turn on them for turning on him. But would he really keep spicy if they are this, feuding this much,even though you betrayed him? Like now he has so many other things to deal with. Whereas you kind of know, if Anthony gets the veto at Final Four EVENT, with Spicy Gone PRODUCT, he's definitely evicting one of you,right? Like he's not evicting Lex PERSON. That would be absurd. Or at least you would think so. But at this point, who knows? So it makes, again, it makes a lot of sense.And the only real danger is, A, can you trust spicy? B, can you risk spicy getting to the final four, getting to the final three, maybe winning that final three, H-O-H. Which I would say is very dangerous, but they see her as the weakest competitor. So they probably don't see it as quite as dangerous. So there is a very,very good, solid, like, path, but she hasn't taken it. And in order to sell that path, she does need to just like Stonewall, Anthony, Stonewall Lexus ORG, like they're dead to me. I'm only talking to you guys. Give them that feeling of power. Make them feellike this is a decision that they can make. And it hasn't happened yet. And unfortunately, for Spicey PERSON, she has a lot less time to make that happen now, or had less time,

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I should say, even that it probably has already happened.

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Yeah.

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Even if there's concern on the spicy side of like things reuniting with Anthony PERSON, I think Anthony PERSON's made it very clear that he needs spicy out before that jury gets a chance to sing their piece. So I would think, especially from Bailey PERSON's perspective, like going into a final four where no one would evict you, like in in theory, uh, seems like such a cushy spot, but I see the arguments for both.

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Yeah. So let's talk about that, yeah, from the, the Bailey PERSON perspective, because I have seen the argument that like, she should keep spicy because then she really is in a situation where everyone will take her to the end as opposed to somebody like Lexus ORG, who is in general a bit of a question mark, considering that she's the person who Anthony PERSON is like, you're going to have to go on the block. She's like, yeah, okay, sure.It's fine. So I'm not entirely sure. So obviously she's eliminating an out there. At the same time, you know, if spicy is going to go back to Anthony PERSON anyway, then you think you're gettinga 3B1, but it's going to be a 2v2 anyway. And you're also keeping in somebody who is now like someone who's won 3HOHs and has the capacity to win a fourth that is going to be against you

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in supporting Anthony PERSON. Yeah, it's, it's, I think, I agree, I don't think it's quite as clear cut as like, it's the obvious move to keep spicy, especially because I do think there is a chance that if she reciprocates Anthony PERSON's show of faith by keeping her off the block, that, you know, it seems so ridiculous, but it doesn't seem impossible that he does actually keep bailey over lexas um it's i feel weird even saying that though because like what do you do and if you do it don't do that

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anthony that's ridiculous do it why not but this is the guy that kept dane you know what i mean

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so it's like who knows um that said though I mean? So it's like, who knows? That said, though, like, it's again, it's like, it's a matter of, it's a similar spot to the spot that Anthony PERSON's in right now. It's like, you can kind of take the game by the, by the rain, take the reins of the game and be like, I'm going to make sure of this. Or you can be like, I'm going to put some faith into the relationships I've built and really hope that things work out the way that I want them to.And, you know, this is where, like, on Sunday night, I was like, I just don't, like, I don't think I would play the game this way. I think that if I were in this spot, I would, I would try to play the cards that I was dealt. And I would try to, I would just keep spicy off the block. I would do everything in my power to get her to not use the veto, not win the veto,you know, so on and so forth. And then, you know, get into that final four. But that's not always the way that the game is played.People play it differently. And also, people have better reads on other people in the game, right? So like, Anthony PERSON had the read on Bailey that she would reciprocate this. It seems as though that's going to work, that she is going to reciprocate it. And that's a better read on Bailey than I think we had sitting at home. And so if Bailey feels the same, if Bailey feels like she has a read on Anthony that he will actually take her at the end,

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if she does get rid of spicy,

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then maybe that's worth it. And does she have a shot at beating Anthony PERSON? I think she does, especially given spicy's current predicament, right? So, you know, there is definitely valid logic to the ideathat she should take out spicy here. But there's plenty of logic that she should keep spicy as well. Yeah.

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I think that's what I was going to ask is basically how realistic do you think it is for Bailey to beat Anthony PERSON at the end? Because I think if that is a much more realistic possibility, then I think actually taking spicy out might be more appealing almost. Because you could like you could decide a final four are we still keeping anthony or we're not you can go to the final three with lexas and todd and then like I don't know what the relationships are with Lexus between Bailey and Todd who we think that she would be more likely to take if she were to win a final three HOH but set you up with a lot of winning options yeah I think that Bailey's plan right now is final three,

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Todd and Anthony PERSON. And I think that she...

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Might that make sense because that's eliminating the wild card guarantees you're making final two no matter what.

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Exactly. I think she feels like at that point, she's guaranteed final two. If it's against Todd PERSON, easy win. If it's against Anthony PERSON,hopefully she's got a shot. With Lexus ORG in the picture, who knows, right? So I do think that Bailey will evict Lexus ORG at the final four, if given the opportunity and nothing changes.Todd PERSON absolutely shouldn't. Todd PERSON should absolutely get rid of Anthony PERSON. Will he make a call that Bailey PERSON doesn't co-sign? Will he convince Bailey PERSON? That's a whole other question. So the real danger for Anthony, of course, will he make a call that Bailey doesn't co-sign? Will he convince Bailey? That's a whole other question.So the real danger for Anthony, of course, I mean, is that if Lexus ORG wins the final 4-H-O-H, that's very, very bad for him. But to answer the question, if Bailey does go to the end with Anthony PERSON, I do think, I think it's a tough spot to be in, especially because like some of her votes are people like Tola, who really does respect Bailey PERSON's game, but will definitely be a vote for him.

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And so, you know, then it comes down to like, where does Goose PERSON still stand?

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Because when he left, he was all about the women are dominating. That didn't exactly continue. So I don't know how Goose PERSON is feeling. Does he still think that Bailey PERSON's in the best spot? Or does he feel like, wow, Anthony PERSON somehow managed to turn that around?And that's the other part of this, which is that like a lot of the people that left talked about like feeling they had a really special relationship with Anthony PERSON. He just wasn't in the best spot at that time. So I definitely can see Anthony PERSON getting a lot of votes. Spoiler here is spicy.Spicy comes in. That's where I feel like she could win votes back over to Daly PERSON's side, especially votes like of course, Avery and even Kayla, and maybe even Goose PERSON. Like, who knows? And then you certainly have Todd PERSON as a pro-Bailey voice. And so just like that, it's not hard to swing this vote.

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Here's a random thing that I was thinking about because I kind of blitz as I was catching up for the episodes in preparation for tonight. When Tola is evicted and Arissa asked the cursed question of like who do you think is going to win and he saidBailey PERSON the audience cheered and look I don't think

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necessarily people are

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so bending to the will of the people especially reality TV contestants that they're like aha Bailey PERSON got cheers therefore people will like us if we vote for her. But it's not a, it's not a zero percent chance that that's something that could be inyour head of like, oh, people are cheering for Bailey PERSON.

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Bailey PERSON must be doing something right. Maybe Bailey PERSON is doing something that I'm not seeing. This maybe lends a bit more credence to me voting for her. Like you said, I think it's a slam-dung vote for Anthony PERSON in his opinion, no matter what, but it's something interesting he could prospectively take the jury. Yeah.

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I do think that there are just certain people, and this is not, I don't mean it in a shady way,

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but there are certain people and I do think Tola PERSON maybe is one of them where they're just

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a little bit more impressionable.

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And I agree, Mike.

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I think that there is a world, right?

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Where he goes back and he's like, the audience is going crazy for Bailey PERSON. Like, you know, blah, blah, blah. Subliminally maybe even, right? Like maybe it's subconscious, not necessarily something he's even piecing together. But then you bring in a stronger personality. It doesn't, it could be Anthony PERSON.It could be Victoria GPE. It could be Bailey PERSON. I don't either of those three come in. I believe they have enough swaying power for the rest to kind of get on board. Because look what happened to Kayla PERSON?Right? Like how did no one like check this horse? It makes no sense to me. So that's where I feel like folks are just a little bit more impressionable as to like who goes into the house now and at what order and how pissed off

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they are. And it's interesting because I agreed, Taryn, you know, Anthony PERSON had really good individual cultivating relationships, which is why he was playing such like a low key, obviously from a positional perspective compared to what he usually does, but still like very strong game. I do worry if we're going to get a version of this week in the house, in the jury house, as well. You know, I didn't notice as I was catching up that in Kayla PERSON's goodbye message, like Anthony kind of cleans his hands a bit.He's a little bit like, if you're listening to this, I don't know exactly what happened. Some people must have gone rogue in that way. If you have Avery and if you have spicy PERSON coming in and saying like, oh yeah, Anthony PERSON said this, Anthony PERSON said that.That could be something that might, outside of the way you felt about him, start to turn the worm a bit when you have all those weeks away from him directly. Yeah.

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So quite the final four we're heading into. Bailey and Todd PERSON have continued to promise each other. They're keeping each other around. They're protecting each other. They are not. Todd PERSON especially is like,we're not letting Anthony PERSON or anybody convince each other that we're not with each other. Like there's no way like, yes, we flipped on spicy, but it seems as though there are very genuine reasons for that. This is never happening with us. He's going to try next week. It's not going to happen.And so they are, they are seemingly locked in as a duo heading into the final four. And as I mentioned, what that means for Anthony PERSON is he still has a long way to go. Like there's another massive test coming up for him if him or Lexus ORG don't win that veto. And there's no test at all if Lexus wins the HOH ORG and they lose the veto because at that point, I guess I shouldn't say no test at all,but like it's a very difficult test at that point. So in many ways, like I'm starting to look at Anthony PERSON like, all right, this guy he got, he got Vivek to put up Dennis PERSON.He got Avery PERSON to put up Kayla or, he got Avery to put up Kayla or Spicey to get Avery to put up Kayla PERSON. He flipped Bailey PERSON and Todd on spicy after a season long dedication of their games to her. I'm now looking at you like,okay, listen, you should just, you need to just start doing the impossible then. A thing that was unintentional, but hugely beneficial for Jackson's game in Big Brother 21 WORK_OF_ART, was that Holly PERSON agreed to throw the final 4-H-O-8, which was really, really good for him.

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Oh, I remember that night.

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She was unable to be safe that week, right? I remember that night.

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She was unable to be safe that week, right?

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Anthony PERSON, let's be on. He should be, because he probably could, convincing Lexus ORG to throw the final 4-H-O-H-A. Why?

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I don't know, right?

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I can't find a logical reason for it. But I feel like this is the kind of player we're dealing with now where it's like, listen, if you think about it, if he thinks that it's, if he thinks of the idea, I think he might be able to accomplish it. The question for me is, will he think about it?And I think the answer is no. But like, this is something you should probably do because I think it's, it could make a break his entire game. Yeah.

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Look, Lexus ORG is, Lexus ORG, it's really important. We need to be that vote in the final four week. So we can't be Hoh-H. We need to both be playing. Yeah, like if it's a little quick competition,maybe that sticks just long enough, but otherwise.

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I mean, my thought was like, you know, like, hey, we really need to make sure that God PERSON and Bailey vote to keep you. They don't turn on us and vote out spicy. What if, you know, you talked, like, what if you agreed to throw the HOA, you know, I think that's risky because, like, if she does go and agree to it, I think if anythingthat gets the wheels turning for Todd and Bailey PERSON, like, wait a minute, should we be thinking about keeping spicy?

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But, like, you know, I'm just spitballing here. Like, there's got to be something, especially that Anthony PERSON can do at this point, given that we've seen what we've seen him be capable of in the past. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's,

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he could just be comped out of, and I say that, but like, maybe there's a spot where Lexus ORG wins, and then Bailey PERSON wins the veto and he somehow manages that would be ridiculous but like who knows? I don't know.

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But this is,

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this is awesome.

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Like for how long have we been on these podcasts

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being like what Anthony PERSON is doing is really fun and shows a lot of skill but like, damn it I want him to face some adversity.

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And mostly by his own doing, he has created a lot of adversity. now some of it is because he got Matt taken out from under him he got tola taken out yeah I would say mostly by spices doing yeah but now he's taking out you know the person that according to her words to us would have been like the most guaranteed person to take him to the final two so he he's facing a bit more of an uphill situation. But like,

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this is what makes some of the best players, right? This is Dr. Will after Chiletown PERSON gets taken out. This is Dan PERSON after all his people are taken out.

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Dan every single week.

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Exactly. Or at he comes to the funeral in the second week of the jury.

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Like, you know, I feel like you can be someone who calls yourself one of the best.

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But when we're observing these players,

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we want to also have them a bit battle tested as well. As much as I admire Derek PERSON's game, I think a lot of people when they compare them to the big three, are like, yeah, but Derek PERSON didn't necessarily have to face anything. What did Derek PERSON do when his back was against the wall?Because he didn't have that. If Anthony PERSON gets this, not only is it a fun version to see of him from his own narrative perspective and to see something different, but like if he's able to slither through, if you will, and make his way to the final two and dominate this jury vote, then yeah, I'll believe his claims. I'll put him right up there.

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And I'll say on the flip side, because obviously I think because Anthony PERSON seems to have pulled this off, we're talking a lot about Anthony PERSON, but like, I do think it's also important to mention how impressive Bailey PERSON is, has been and is in this moment, where she has climbed from a, like,really, like one of the worst spots in the entire game at the start of the season to now a front runner spots in the entire game at the start of the season to now a frontrunner to win the entire game. Like all else being equal, flip a coin. One side, Anthony PERSON wins. The other side, Bailey PERSON wins.

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And you have to give her credit for that. I mean, the fact that she was able to convince Anthony PERSON to keep her off the block in a spot where he never should keep her off the block is absurd. The fact that she got spicy to keep her around and her number one puppet Todd all the way until the end game at the expense of Spicy and Anthony PERSON's games only to then

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flip on Spicy to take the lead position is really good stuff. She plays a very different game than Anthony PERSON and we've certainly talked about it all season long. It's not likeI haven't been like, you know, like singing Bailey PERSON's praises along the way so you already know what they are. But like Bailey PERSON is the other potential, like massive winner who would be a very good winner here. And she is potentially like a week away from being crowned the winner of this game.Let's see.

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I don't want to jinx anything.

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No, because it's also,

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it feels like it's also so rare just due to the game

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of Big Brother that we also get like a big character winning the season.

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And Bailey is really like a Britney Haynes for the 2020s that we have missed so dearly.

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She has been like in a season with Spicy V ORG, she has been my favorite character and that is saying something. Even still like her, you know, jaw, gape reaction to when people were comparing notes and she realized that, oh, my God, do I have to turn on spicy? Like, she brings the dramatic.She is such a fun bit of casting. Honestly, a lot of people in this cast are. And to your point to her, and I think it would be a really fun arc as well, of here is somebody who was clawing their way up from the bottom, was nearly dead to rights to go in weeks three and fourwere these kind of cockamamie plans not cooked up at the last second, but finds the right people, gets her claws in, and then at a certain point knows to turn those claws upon that person. It's a hell of a story if you can sell it right. Yeah. And I think exemplifiesthe value of like, you know, a lot of people play the game and it's certainly a valid way and some of the greats have played this way of like keeping cards close to your chest, you know, not displaying emotions,not getting into fights. That's like the Dan PERSON playbook, right? But there is also a ton of value to being like an open book to some degree. Because there was an incorrect assumption about Bailey PERSON that she was such an open book that people would be able to just reliably rely on her for what they wanted forever. But she was able to use the bluntness to get people to trust her and advance herself in the game and also just forcefully push her own agenda on the game in a way that didn't seemunderhanded or sketchy. It just seemed genuinely like, no, I believe this is what we should do for us because it was what she genuinely believed was good for them. But it was also good for her. And so it's interesting. It's interesting. And I think there's a lot of conversations to be had about Bailey PERSON's game. Certainly if she wins, but even if she doesn't and the success she was able to find. But we'll see. This is all kind of assuming that she doesn't ultimately end uplike taking Anthony to the final two over Todd PERSON or something.

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You know what I mean? I mean, it's in the backs of Big Brother Canada WORK_OF_ART finale as of late, like kind of boneheaded weird decisions at the final three.

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You know what? Actually, yeah, we talked about Anthony versus Bailey in the final two. We didn't mention the fact that in order for them to be there,one of them will have had to take the other over Lexis or Todd PERSON. So if the jury is like thinking,it might be the person, whoever does the move might lose. Like, what are you doing taking Anthony over Todd PERSON?Or what are you doing taking Bailey over Lexus ORG? Like, that could be a difference maker as well, potentially. Can you imagine Bailey PERSON does sense?

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Yeah, I'm taking Anthony PERSON. Sorry, Todd PERSON. I literally turn the TV on.

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I don't know. But again, this is what we expect from Big Brother WORK_OF_ART Canada Finaleys. Incredibly so. Usually these outcomes are like written in the starsthat people are lying in bed counting on. I love the fact that we could walk into these finales and be like, I cannot believe you have the single-handed power to do this. And you made that decision.It's what makes this game so exciting.

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I mean, listen, let's see.

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It would be quite the

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story to have

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you know, Anthony PERSON go on

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season seven and

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inspire Kevin Jacobs to go on and convince Josh PERSON to take him at the last minute and then Anthony PERSON to come on and then like repeat that performance somehowin season 12. But we'll see. Anything else that we should talk about before we wrap up here. Can we just sing

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victorious praises for one second? Like we're slowly eulogizing her. We're minisually lowering the casket into the ground because she's not technically up on the block yet. But like I love her. We're minisually lowering the casket into the ground because she's not technically up on the block yet, but like,I love her. So, so much. She has to be one of the most unique Big Brother WORK_OF_ART players I have ever seen, where it does feel like every episode we're going in, being like, I have noidea what you're doing and how you're doing it. But I cannot help but respect the fact that like she somehow had the ability to do it. And for the most part, pull it off for the longest time. Now, it was going to be an eventuality. I think that the runway would run short and it does quickly. All four of them have turned on her in an incident. And I would not necessarily say thatit felt unwarranted, but she is someone that just absolutely mystifies me. And in 20 plus years into watching this as a genre, I love getting that person, getting that enigma in there.On top of that, she is such a fun character. She is wild. She is chaos. But again, I have to admire the fact that,like, no matter how you feel about the things she wanted to get done, she got them done. And I would go ahead as to call her the main character of Big Brother Canada WORK_OF_ART season 12. And listen, I know that the East Coast populace loves to run their numbers to vote for their person for Canada GPE's favorite player. But I would not be surprised if Victoria GPE gives someone like Toddor run for their money with that award.

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Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I was thinking at the start of the season, I was like, I wonder if this is the first season that like the Todd PERSON character is not going to win

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because I kind of thought he was leaving

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on the executive veto week.

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And I was like, this might be too early for him to win.

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Like, plus the fact that there's alumni here, like, oh. But now I'm not sure. Because like not only has he made it far, but like he is getting exactly that edit where like he is, you know, he's exactly the kind of person that tends to win these. So I don't know. I don't know.

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The comp wins, all of the above.

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Yeah.

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I mean, listen, like, I'm watching his DRs where he's like monotone and I'm,

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and I'm like,

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okay, I mean, he's kind of fun. He's a little fun.

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I get it.

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Okay.

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I get it, Todd PERSON. He's like, letter can he. Yeah,

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he's that fun. Like, it's not, I would not compare him to Cody Nixon PERSON for many reasons, but he does have that sort of different energy in the D.R. We're like,again,

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we are used to BBUS especially, and even with BB can, even as much as I love spicy V, some of those DRs, like, feel like that very scripted energy. And when Todd brings his energy, it's like turning the volume up from a one to a three. And so he's like, oh, I can't believe I get to do this. And so it still does feel very different compared to everything else everyone else isbringing.

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But we gave Cody the win not he was not for Cody

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don't say we. Yeah, I'd like to not

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be included in the way. I voted

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whatever because I was in her way.

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Like one, it can't be friendship.

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So be serious.

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Right. Well, the other thing though that I find

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interesting is that the first time this award was brought about in Big Brother Canada WORK_OF_ART 9, it was started, the pulling open, the night keeper was evicted. And so we were like, oh yeah, no matter what, he's going to get it. So I think, again, if there's a fair shot for spicy,it could be that there's going to be a full episode, not to mention the one the day before, entirely dedicated to her, basically. And there's a lot of recency bias when it comes to this fan voting. Yeah.

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I don't, who won it last year? I don't remember.

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Jonathan PERSON?

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Oh, right. Okay.

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I mean, totally. I just like, I was like,

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wait, who was that character on that season? Yeah, I was like,

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the Marty PERSON.

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Yeah. Yeah, I was like, wait, who where was character on that season? Yeah, I was like the Marty. Yeah, I was like, wait, who was, Marty wasn't that season.

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Yeah, all I can think it was Marty PERSON.

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Yep.

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Yeah, I mean, listen, no shade to Jonathan, but like if Jonathan won last season over like, who's he and like, like, yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know here.

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Shout out, Todd PERSON. Good job. You won the 5,000 and 5,000 hearts. like yeah I don't know I don't know here shout out Todd good job

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you won the 5,000 and 5,000 hearts

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that's the thing is yeah if like Todd you know is able to win that CFP money I think I saw somebody say on Twitter that like he technically is already making more than second place if he gets both of those

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and when he get second place

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because he's dragged to the end by Bailey PERSON then what

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he might make more than $100,000 Oh boy

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All right well that's what we have for you then tonight Thank you all so much for joining us I will be back tomorrow night to talk through the eviction We'll see if Spicey PERSON can pull something out of a hat Or if Todd and Bailey PERSON decide to change their minds, as well as, you know, I assume we'll start to get a little bit more of like what's going to happen there in the final four as well.On top of like the fallout from the nomination that will happen. So stay tuned for that. I will also be live on Twitch watching the Survivor episode and then the Big Brother WORK_OF_ART episode Marathon Wednesday because it's a lot of reality TV. But listen, Survivor WORK_OF_ART's been crushing it lately. Big Brother WORK_OF_ART's been good.So it should be a good time. Check it out. Mike, what do you got going on?

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I'll just first start by echoing your statements that like I feel like I come on to everyone on these particular season podcasts that I've done and I'm like, I'm really enjoying this and I'll continue to say it. I've been really enjoying this season. Lack of feat is obviously something that is really detrimental to the overall experience. But for what we're taking in, I think this season has absolutely been bringing it due in part due to the aforementioned spicy B. I thought this might be up there as like one of the top five betrayals we've seen in BV can history and it has played out as such. And it's just made for like some incredible reality television.

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So I feel like we're eating so good. It's bittersweet because it's good enough to like be good television. But at the same time it's like like for me at least it's like what could have been. Like if I was able to watch that conversation on the same time, it's like, like for me, at least it's like what could have

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been. Like if I was able to watch that conversation on the live feeds, like, oh my God,

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this whole season on the live feeds, a whole other level. But anyway, go ahead. Yeah, but regardless,

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I think, you know, I'm happy that we got this season in general. And I'm a little sad that it's coming to a conclusion in a week. But like you said, Taryn, I think pretty much no matter who the winner is, and especially if Anthony or Bailey PERSON is the winner, this is going to be one for the record books. And so I'm so excited to see how this all ends. But like you said, there's so much other reality TV happening. Right now, Survivor WORK_OF_ART is going to your point very strong. I'm doing my usual B&B as well as interviews over at parade.com, doing the same stuff for The Amazing Race WORK_OF_ART,which is also approaching its end game. Karen PERSON, you mentioned it before, but tomorrow morning about like, I don't know, probably less than 12 hours from now, there'll be another video in everybody's feed with myself, Taryn, and Puyah PERSON,covering the penultimate drop of the circle episodes, basically every episode but the finale. To tease, it is maybe the most dramatic week in the circle that we've ever had in the show's history. I think if you've been watching this season and you, I imagine as Big Brother WORK_OF_ART fansand people who enjoy strategy, I imagine people have been enjoying this season in particular. You'll want to check it out and then check out what we have to say about it. I am also going to be covering the goat, which is coming out another reality all-star season coming out next Thursday. I have some exited interviews that all be releasing alongside those episodes.I have a challenge All-Stars for exit interview that's coming out tomorrow with the episode. There's all these random things that are happening as so much great reality TV is happening. And you can follow everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloom PERSON type. All right.

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Sasha PERSON, what do you got going on?

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Great.

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I cover a pop culture,

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vibes only, celebrity gossip, you name it. Kristen McKenness and I are talking about it over on Mess Magnus ORG. So check that out. And Chappelle and I are talking about it over on Mess Magnus ORG. So check that out. And Chappelle PERSON and I are talking below deck.So listen, if you're missing showmances, come for the boat manses. All right. There's lots of drama, lots of fighting, lots of firing. Come check out below deck over on this YouTube channel. We go live, oh, tomorrow actually, at 3 p.m. Eastern. I mean, if you're watching this on this YouTube channel. We go live, oh, tomorrow, actually, at 3 p.m. Eastern. I mean, if you're watching this on Tuesday, obviously.But we go Wednesdays at 3 p.m. Or on the Bravo TV, Rahapups PRODUCT feed. And Bryce Isaiah and I are talking love in hip-hop Atlanta. So check that out on the Purple Pants ORG feed. And, oh, Chappelle and I are also talking Marth, Summer House, Martha's Vineyard ORG. Honestly, one of the best shows on TV right now.If you're not watching, you're missing out. So much fun. So check that out on recap, kickback. And for everything else I'm doing, just follow me on Twitter at Funtize underscore 04. All right.

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And Scali PERSON? I am talking the Challenge All Stars 4 WORK_OF_ART every week with Matt Legory over on the free agents podcast. And anything else I'm doing is on Twitter at Brian underscore Scali PERSON and Twitch at twitch.tv.tv slash B Scali.

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All right. Well, thank you all so much for joining us here.

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The night.

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And we'll see all of you next time.