Elizabeth Wolak - The Tower, Tarot, Intuition, Self-Love, Human Design, Deconditioning, 5/1 Profile, The 6th Line Process, Live Tarot Reading

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Hi everyone. Welcome to the Be the Vessel podcast. My name is Daniel PERSON, and I play the roles of channeler and intuitive psychologist, aiming to bridge all aspects of the healing arts while navigating my return journey to the stars. I interview those journeying through all aspects of the healing arts while navigating my return journey to the stars. I interview those journeying through all aspects of healing, whether that be from more traditional Western NORP frames or from a more spiritual or spirit-based connection. What I always find is that everyone is a bridge between worlds, a universe unto themselves, and a unique light that shinesbrightly for the collective. If you like what you hear and are interested in more of my offerings, consider joining the Be The Vessel ORG community at patreon.com slash Dr. Daniel Atkins, where you will find various unique offerings, bonus content, and podcasts such as my own channeled information and the new Be the Vessel Healing ORG series. May you find what you're looking for and remember the light within.And lastly, the views in this episode do not represent my personal views, nor are they to be taken as medical advice or scientific fact. Always do your own research, come to your own conclusions, and trust your own guidance. Elizabeth Wolack PERSON is a tarot reader and astrology and human design enthusiast with a passion for deeper understanding of herself and others.She credits Tarot for helping her organize and understand her thoughts, feelings, and actions, human design for accepting her worth and things she felt were inherent flaws, and astrology for seeing that there are no accidents. She believes that true healing is available within each of us if we allow ourselves to go into our own depths and discover our true selves. Tarrow, human design, and astrology have been empowering on Liz PERSON's own journey of self-discovery and self-love, and she's passionateabout sharing them with others. You can find her on YouTube at Heretic Owl Tarot ORG or on Instagram at heretic.owl ORG. Please enjoy this conversation with Liz PERSON as we explore the journey of self-acceptance through tarot, astrology, and human design. May this episode be an invitation, a medicine, and a gift to exploring your own strange design and honoring the natural gifts within. Hi Liz PERSON, thanks so much for being here and welcome to the show.Thank you.

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It's an honor and a pleasure. I'm so excited to be here.

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Yeah, I'm really excited to have you here. And for us to chat during this potent eclipse portal, which we were just discussing, is not always for the faint of heart. We each have our unique astrological transes taking place and hitting us in all the right places and making for a very transformative period of time.So I'm sure it's an auspicious time for us to be speaking. I found you on YouTube just because I liked your energy and the intuitive way you used tarot. And tarot is not a frame that I'd explored a ton. I've used Oracle ORG cards, but I've always been interested. I've loved the art, the creativity of it,and I've just been in a period where anything that supports that intuitive flow and that creativity and some form of guidance because I'm always lookingfor some guidance right now.

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It turns out.

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And I like the way he did it and the way you've combined various frames that have also been of interest to me, like human design, astrology. And so we'll dig into all that. The place I would love to start is a really is is probably the most feared

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card in the deck that I know of and an essential one one that I can certainly relate to and I think

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you can too which is the tower card it strikes me as the like the plutonian card, like the Pluto of the deck.

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And just, you know, in some of the writing, you'd sent me in some of the conversations we'd had,

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you'd discussed having a tower period of your own, which I think all of us do, which tends to sort of course correct us a bit and point us closer toward our heart guided truth. So I would just love to give you the opportunity to speak a little bit about that, the tower period for you and how it has, what it has, what has died and what has been

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reborn or is continuing to emerge as a result?

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Literally everything has died.

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I feel, you know, and with the tower, it can be one aspect of your life.

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It can be, you know, a behavior pattern, a thought pattern, an identity,

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which, you know, of course, can consume us, or it can, in my case, be your entire life.

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And what you thought, you know, your life was going to be in the first place. And it's also,

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it's one of those things of you can resist it and it can be worse, you know, it can be

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even more uncomfortable or, and, you know, I mean, of course, like, it's hard to just continue to surrender, right? You know, like, I think eventually we all come back to the, um, the notion that, okay, you know, I just, I do need to surrender, but there's certain things that we do just want to hold on to, you know, there, I remember amidst the, like, when I was in the middle of it, I just remember being like, I was holding on so tight to this idea of where I belonged or where I thought I fit in. And I refused. I remember I washaving a conversation with a mentor slash somebody who helped me unpack a lot of my, the crumble that was the tower. And I remember saying this is one aspect of my life that I refused to let go of. And eventually those things just made their way out of my life. And I think speaking of Pluto, Pluto was in Capricorn GPE, right, for the last, what was it, 16 years or something like that. apricorn, right, for the last, what was it, 16 years or something like that. And that was my seventh house of relationships, partners, you know, like other people. And in that time, I lost a majority of a friend

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group. I got married and divorced in the span of a year. Wow. Yeah. I moved away from, you know, like what was familiar to me.

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Like, you know, physically, I moved an hour away from what I was used to. And it did kind of put me in this place of isolation. But I really think that I needed that because I did have the space to unpack all of that. And like I said, I had an amazing mentor that helped me. I always kind of say he kept the light on for me. But, you know, the tower card, of course, too, it's only going to affect what is no longerserving us in the first place. So timelines that haven't been closed out because we're waiting for closure. No, the ending of it was the closure. We're moving on from it. You know, again, relationships, jobs, where you live, it's only going to affect those aspects of our lives that really are no longer serving our highest good. And again, right? I mean, it can be very uncomfortable and dismantling, but on the other side of it, I've never been more myself, which I even had to figure that out. Who am I? So, yeah,I still feel like that is still unfolding but it's it's easier to make those decisions now it's easier to say yes it's an alignment with who I am who I want to be the the goals that I have for myself or not you know yeah and so like that that seventh house

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first house axis you know reminds me also of kind of the Libra Ares eclipse axis we're in now and that idea of where we're performing, where we're sacrificing to hold on to the relationships to be validated in those dynamics.

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And so it sounds like maybe you are being hit in all the places to let. to be validated in those dynamics.

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And so it sounds like maybe you are being hit in all the places to let some of that go. So out of this, and was that the period you were, was that the period you were telling me about sort of, you know, 2017 around that area?

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2017, 2018 is when 2017 around that area? 2017, 2018 is when all of that really started kicking up. And I want to say, maybe not, because I wonder if the nodes were in cancer and Capricorn GPE around that time, I don't know,

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but it would be interesting to look at that.

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Yeah.

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And would you?

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And so I'm curious out of that period of being invited, let's say, to let's

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go of those aspects, how have you noticed yourself able to step further into some kind of authenticity or, you know,

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the aspects of you that are meant to, that are meant on.

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Yeah.

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You know, I think I also, for one, it opened my mind to the possibility.

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And for me, so what kick started all of this was that I did leave a marriage after eight months.

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And by the time I left that marriage, I had him pretty much leveled as far as I didn't really have anything that I needed to heal that way. But I was left with how did I even end up in a marriage that I would leave after eight months? And so then it was like, who, what even makes me who I am? Like, you know, the decisions that I make the job that I was in, how did I get to at that point? That was,what, six years ago? So I was like 34-ish like how did I even end up here at 34 and where do I want to go going forward and and again you know I did have that that friend that I talked to a lot who is very interested in psychology which was super helpful because I didn't have a therapist that I went to regularly. So that helped. But then I started seeking out Reiki and just energy healing in general.I did pick up my, I purchased a tarot deck before I left the marriage, but I just kind of hit it. I didn't want to be judged. But I just, I didn't have the mental capacity to get into it. So shortly after I got settled, I started, you know, unpacking my own baggage. I did pick up that tarot deck that I bought. And I just, I went ham.I had a whole notebook that I wrote down each tarot card on its own page I went through the books that I had I think at the time I had four or five tarot decks so I went through each card and I wrote down the keywords for each card I was watching tarot readings on YouTube so anytime anybody would explain a card in a way that I hadn't heard before, I would write that down. I started doing tarot readings for my closest friends and I was doing tarot readings for myself every day, probably a couple times a day.

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And that even helped me understand my feelings, my thoughts, you know, like, because every card has its own

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separate meaning. Every suit has its own general meaning. So even just if I was feeling overwhelmed, it helped me compartmentalize and have a focus because then I would write down the tarot cards that I pulled and I would write all my feelings about what the spread was. And of course, too, even giving readings to other people helped me also understand the energies of those cards. But anyway, so energy healing for sure. I ended up getting attuned in Reiki one and two myselfbecause I was like, I need this in my life. I ended up also going master level. You know, even just tarot readings, like I said, you know, on YouTube were really even just a, they kind of kept my head above water sometimes, like you said, right? It's like seeking guidance or even validation for the way that you're feeling or thinking,like you know something is coming or something's changing or something's happening. And to hear somebody else who you don't know on YouTube ORG right like confirm

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a message for you like okay okay you don't continue to move forward yeah and it sounds like surrendering

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that fear of judgment you know sort of forcibly actually allowed you to start to pursue the things

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you were naturally attracted to and to receive guidance from these places you were naturally

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drawn to. It's kind of like when the shell starts to crack, you know, we start to let the

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light in from places that previously we may have been scared that people wouldn't understand that we don't necessarily understand, but something is drawing us to it.

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Something is pulling us toward these expressions, which a lot of times I feel just mirror back things we already know within ourselves, but they may be buried

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and we're sort of starting to untangle them. And some of these modalities that we get

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attracted to, just mirror back what we're ready to hear, what we're ready to know about

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ourselves, what we're ready to express and step into. So with tarot, were you sort of learning the craft through YouTube,

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through the books, had you known about how it was practiced and how, you know, what, like,

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literally what the cards meant and how to step into that? Or were you sort of learning as you

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go and, you know, using your own guidance, your own intuition to sort of to practice?

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I think it was a little bit of bull. I think the first terror reading I got was when I was around 18 or so. I knew about like psychics and that type of thing prior because my mom got a psychic reading when I was like 12 or 13. And I just remember listening to the the cassette tape recording of that and just being like,

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that is so cool that somebody can do that.

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And I was just hooked from then. But I got my first terror rating when I was 18 or 19. I actually worked with the lady's sister. And she came in. Her name was Laura PERSON. She came in to the store that I was working atand totally blew the socks off of one of the guys that I worked with. And I was like, I want a reading from you, pronto. So I went over to her house. And honestly, for like the next year or so, I was getting readings from her maybe once every six months, like maybe twice a year,until I ended up moving out of the state that I was from. But she just used a regular deck of playing cards. And I thought that was amazing because I just was so enthralled with the intuition around it, but I just don't think that I knew how to connect with my own or even thought that I had my own intuition. But then just over the years, you know, just things happening and they're like, I had a gut feeling, like I knew that was going to happen, right?Good, bad, or otherwise. So when I first started learning hero, I didn't really know the meanings of the cards. I knew, you know, just kind of basic, but as far as like deeper meaning, and I know like this one, I took this short little course that I bought for 20 bucks or so. And it was, it was all about looking at the cards and just intuitively finding a meaning. And that just scared me because I was like, no.What?

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There's no instructions?

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There's no rule book that tells me what to know? My Virgo Moon is freaking out over here. Like I need more information. And I'm a 5-1 in human design. And that first line, I need a foundation of knowledge. So, but at the same time,it's also, it's just good to know that even intuitively reading the cards is a possibility too. But for me, I wanted to also honor the tradition. I knew that each card had a specific meaning. And I feel like once I figured out what that was, then it was like, you know, my intuition around them even opened up because I felt more comfortable just having that was. Then it was like, you know, my intuition around them even opened up becauseI felt more comfortable just having that foundation. But also that is what's important to me. And for other people, I've heard they pick up the cards and they can just intuitively pull messages out of them. And that's amazing. You know, we're all different in that capacity. But yeah, so I did need to have just my own understanding of them. And I went about it in my own little way. And it worked out fairly well.And now, you know, I do, when I do mess or readings on YouTube ORG or even in person, I like to explain the message of the card or the meaning of the card because I even say we all have our own intuition and you may receive a message that I'm not saying out loud to you, but from understanding the card or even looking at the card yourself, you might receive your own message. And that is 100% true. That is 100% a message for you. Yeah. And it's,

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you know, it's a, it's a dance with intuition, right? So like I, you know, my son is in Virgo and my moon is in Pisces LOC. And, you know, I've talked about sort of the polarity that I navigate. And also, I was born one day after a lunar eclipse. So the nodes are, my south node is right next to my son in Burgo GPE. My north node is right next to my moon and Pisces. So sort of, it's like this life path is encouraging me to let go of what I've held on to for many lifetimes, let's say, which is the knowing and then the speaking from that intellect and like surrendering. But for me and kind of like what you were saying,it's helpful to get a frame of things. It's like, okay, well, let me, let me start to understand what, you know, these things are purported to me or these cards, you know, what the, what the lineage of these cards is. And, you know, maybe some people feel, oh, well, I don't, I don't want to be, I don't want to be infiltrated by those ideas i want tostay but i don't feel at risk of that i i i feel that that helps provide a little structure and safety for that part of my mind that you know it freaks out if there's if there's but if there's nothing if there's no foundation but you know as my journey has unfold if there's, if there's, but if there's nothing, if there's no foundation, but, you know, as my journey has unfolded, I'm more and more comfortable, not knowing. And, you know, I went through a whole period of clinical psychology where I was so obsessed with knowing, but the thing is you can never prove it.

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You can never really know. The mind can never really know. It can just try to build up more and more and more safety around this idea of knowing.

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And intuition is really about surrendering that knowing and learning to trust. So you were, you were dancing a little bit, learning what some of these cards, the lineages of these cards mean, and then finding your flow. And I want to dig into a little bit of that structure of taro and how you see it. But I'm also just curious, was there anything that you recall that that sticks with you from some of those early sort of psychic readings you were getting,some of those things that really struck you that allowed you to move forth at that time?

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that allowed you to move forth at that time? I don't remember or maybe it was just validating.

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Yeah, well, yeah.

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I remember

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I remember the the lady that I was talking about she was, these are the only things that I remember about two specific, and there are different people. But one of them, she told me that I would have an opportunity to meet two guyswhen I moved out to Colorado GPE. And it's interesting that both of these stories that I remember have to do with relationships. And I don't do relationship readings ever. But a lot of, a lot of readers do.I think they think that, you know, the majority of people want to know those things.

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That's what they want. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And maybe they do.

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I've never really had that much of an interest in it. But it's just interesting that the two stories that are coming to mind are about like relationships. But the first one, so she said, you know, you'll have an opportunity to, you'll have to choose between two guys. And she described both of these guys to a T.

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Like when I met both of them, I was like, oh, my gosh, that's wild.

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And I even had a friend who went to see her also. And she told her about something that my friend had never told anybody regarding a friend that she had lost. And she sends a family flowers on the anniversary. And she's like, I never even told my mom that I do that.

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And this lady mentions that, you know, this person that I am sending flowers and remembrance of.

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He really appreciates that I send flowers to his mom.

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And even mentioned something about tell his mom to get rid of the gym bag of his like smelly gym clothes that she'd been keeping in the closet for however many years.

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And so she was like, you know, my mind was just blown you know from that um

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and the other story i remember i was actually um i was actually younger than that so my first reading

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had to have been around 17 anyway now it's all like now it's all flooding back to me

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yeah yeah but so i was over a friend's house her mom Now it's all like, now it's all flooding back to me. Yeah. Yeah.

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But so I was over a friend's house.

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Her mom slept with tarot cards under her pillow.

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And I actually tried that. Yeah.

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It was like connection to them. And just about, you know, in your sleep, you can trans, trans, not transmute, but, you know, kind of go off into the 5D and

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co-create and do that. Yeah. And so her whole thing was she sleeps with her tarot cards under her

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pillow so that they remain like very connected. And I actually, I think I did sleep with one of my first tarot decks under my pillow

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once just to see what would happen, you know, because why not?

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Yeah.

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Try that.

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I don't think anything specific happened for me from that.

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I don't remember like being mind blown about it.

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But anyway, so she told me that the boyfriend that I had at the time was cheating on me and um I'm there with her daughter come to find out her daughter was the one that was that my boyfriend was cheating on me oh my gosh this is so I know and she didn't

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tell me that but she just said you know boyfriend, you think he's the one.

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And he was like my first serious boyfriend.

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So, of course, I thought he was the one, you know.

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But she's like, he's not because he's actually stepping out on you.

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And I was like, oh, my gosh, you're lying. That can't be true. And her daughter is literally sitting there.

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Oh, my gosh. Within weeks, I went over to my boyfriend's house and here both of them come, walking out his front door.

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And I was like, what do you, what do you do it?

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This is like a reality show.

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I know.

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So, yeah, those are just the two that I.

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That it is interesting. It's interesting because I remember you saying that about you know tower readers being drawn to um relationship readings and then it can be maybe a sort of a popular thing to do but doesn't necessarily always feel in alignment but it's interesting because a lot of what you've been speaking to in terms of the themes you were guided to navigate with the crumbling of what you were letting go and your stepping were very relationally based

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and so a lot of these you know and Pluto traveling all that time in your seventh house

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clearly there was a lot of lessening there to initiate you into to the next stage of this journey

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so yeah so that true and you know Pluto LOC was opposing my ascendant too.

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So even just from those relationships, like how much it has really brought me into myself.

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I learned a lot about myself through those relationships and a lot of what I didn't want, too.

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Yeah. That's what we learned a lot of what I didn't want too. Yeah.

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That's what we learned a lot of the time.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And how that really did transform.

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And even when I do my readings, I'm like, I don't really go towards the relationship

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because it really does start with us.

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And, you know, of course, at the end of RuPaul PERSON's drag race,

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RuPaul PERSON always says, if you can't love yourself, how in the hell are you going to love somebody

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else? And for a while, I was like, exactly. And for a while, I'm like, what does that

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really mean? But then finally, I was like, you really cannot love somebody, you know, unconditionally, conditionally, otherwise, but until you learn to love yourself. Otherwise, you're just, you're looking for like an outside validation for how you feel or your, your self-esteem is wrapped up in whatever relationship that you have. And, you know, it really does take loving yourself and realizing your own self-worth so that you can have healthy, empowering, transformative in a good way, relationships. So for me, I'm like, I care about you and I want you to be your highest and best self so that, you know,when a relationship does come along. And of course, like, if the relationship, the traditional relationship cards that are in terror, if they come out, we'll talk about it. You can't not. But that's just not, you know, because I've seen readings where they pull like the ton of swords or something.They're like, oh my gosh, your best love is on its way. And you're like, there's like 10 swords sticking in this person. Like, how, what? You know. So how are you coming to that? Yeah.

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Sometimes it could be a little bit of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole about the regarding the certain meaning if we want to make it sound nice. But yeah, the way I like to say it sometimes is that all love is self-love because all of love emanates or radiates out from our capacity. love emanates or radiates out from our capacity. And our capacity is linked to how much we can give to ourselves.So all relationships end up just being a reflection or a mirror of how strong that capacity is. And if it's, if it's pretty weak, then, you know, energetically, we're just going to be drawn

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to or attract in carmically, the people who are going to mirror that back for us so we can keep learning and we can keep strengthening that capacity and the only way we really sort of quote unquote get more love is by strengthening that capacity and so innately that capacity has to be for ourselves as well as others because because we are them and they are us and it is it is

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this this large interconnected game that we're that we're playing in relationships performing the idea of separateness to remember that that union so yeah i would i would agree that that it

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starts with us yeah so maybe we can we can dig in a little bit to to the structure of taro and you can walk me

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through a little bit of just some of the beginning themes of tower, some of the main aspects.

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I'm sure it goes deep and you know there's we could get into the weeds, but I know that

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there's like the major and minor

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arcana and then there are the four categories typically referred to as the wands, cups, swords, and pentacles. So maybe you could just speak to that in any way you like and in any way that,

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you know, you relate to it, um, uh, in your own way. Yeah. So yeah, there's the major archana

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and the minor arcana and the minor arcana. And the major arcana is zero or the full all the way to 21 or the world card. So there's 22 cards in the major arcana. And it really is our walk through life. Walk through life from obviously birth to death, but also even just a situation, a cycle in your life too, where, you know, the fool is that that moment that, for me anyway, that we make the decision because in the full card, they're usually about to walk off a cliff.And they're not even, they're not scared. They're not even looking that they're about to take that step. But to me, there always seems to be this commitment there that they've already, they've already initiated that step. There's not really like the momentum forward is already there.So to stop would probably it probably wouldn't even work. You'd probably still end up just falling off but ungracefully. So that for me, that's the moment wherewe make that decision. The energy is there to start something new. It is taking a risk. It's trusting. It's that surrender, which, you know, it's like that continuous. Because, again, I feel like surrender is something that you have to keep, like, to and remembering and it's almost like a muscle

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memory thing eventually but but then you know then we move on the magician is realizing that I actually

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I have everything that I need in order to manifest the life that I want or the job that I want or the relationship that I want or whatever it is that cycle that you're going through at the time because on the magician card he has all of the elements he has a cup a wand a pinnacle and a sword so he has everything that he needs to get started the high priestess I don't know if I should go through all 22, but anyway, there's like also even to the the ebbs and flows of our process because of course the tower is in there. The death cardis in there and the death card talks more about rebirth than it does about death, but it also is the importance of something ending in order for something new to begin. So that rebirth cannot happen without the quote unquote death of something. The devil card, of course, which is also another one of those cards that people get kind of like,

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you know, about just because it doesn't seem great.

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It doesn't seem great if you're getting a devil card. Right.

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But it does speak to our obsessions. Where in our lives are our egos holding on to something? You know, what controls us in a negative capacity? It can be addictions. It can just be, you know, a thought cycle. But then there's the beautiful cards like the Sun card, which is everything good.It's joy. It's bliss. It's revitalization. It's literally life force energy because we wouldn't even exist without it, right?

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And the lover's card, you know, also just talks more about the balance between the

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masculine and the feminine making decisions. And then of course the World Card PRODUCT, which is that whole cycle is done now. You've made it from the fool all the way to the World Card. You've got exactly what you needed to get out of that situation. And now that situation is coming to an end so that the next cycle can begin because that's just life, right? It's this continuous cycle of growth or lessons that we need to learn or whatever,you know, whatever we decided to do in this incarnation, right? And then you have the minor arcana, which is more about like the, the energies of those suits. So swords are air signs are about our minds, our thoughts, our beliefs, how we communicate those things. I also see swords cards as being ego, because for me anyway, that's generally where I hear my ego. You know, all that fear and the doubts.

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Yeah, the mind.

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You know, yeah. So, you know, but it's also the stories that we attach to experiences and how we came to have the egos that we do.

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Wands are attached to fire. we think fire signs. We think

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motivation, action, it's learning by experiencing things. And truly the only way to figure out what we like and what we don't like and what works and what doesn't is by trying stuff. So we have to try. stuff, so we have to try. And there's, of course, the ups and downs in all of the suits with the energy attached to them. And then we have cups, which has to do with our heart chakra. You know, it's our feelings.How do we feel about life? It's our relationship to love. How do we give it? How do we receive it, especially, how do we feel about our lives and the people around us? And then of course, Pinnacles, which is everything freebie.

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It's our money. It's our physical possessions where we live. So when we're dealing with minor

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arcana, it's again, you know, the energies that we're moving through in whatever suit comes out. Yeah.

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I love that.

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Yeah, I'd never heard it explain that way or really looked into it enough to really start to understand the deeper resonances of those suits,

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which make a lot of sense to me.

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So would you say it's like the major arcana are those,

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they're representative of those big, powerful and transformative cycles

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that you're in or you're completing or you're about to step into,

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whether you want to or not.

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And the minor arcana are almost like the different sets of tools or resources that you're playing with

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or that are playing a part in these cycles. Yep.

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Yeah. I usually like when a major archana card comes up,, that is definitely something that that you recognize in your life.

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Like, that's, that's the energy of what, what is happening. Minor archa cona cards, it's like going through the motion of that.

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How do you, like if a swords card, how are you thinking about the situation, your life, your relationship, whatever? If it's a pentacles card, like does that have to do? Is there something with your health even? Because, of course, our physical being has to do with the 3D. So, you know, are you concerned with how you're making money? Or are you looking for a different path on how to do that?Or, right? So it's more about like going through the motion of the energies of the minor icono versus the major icon. That's stuff that is showing up in your life. That's major. Yeah.

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It, you know, I wonder if this resonates. It almost reminds me of like the major being like those big astrological transits,

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like a Saturn PRODUCT transit and the minor being like, okay, what house is it in? Like what area of your life is it relating to? What maybe circumstances might show up and what may you be working with? Like that kind of thing? That's a great way to put it. Yeah.

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And actually, what's so funny, I was pulling tarot yesterday just for myself.

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And I was asking it, like, you know, how is this interview going to go with you?

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Yeah.

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The devil card. No, just kidding. I know, right, yeah. And it was funny because up until, and I've asked it a couple of times because this is just how my, my brain works.

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I did this with the job that I had before too.

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And it was kind of almost the same thing.

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Like it was all good, good, good, good.

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And then yesterday I pulled the moon and the emperor. And I was like, that's interesting. Because the moon is like, you know and the emperor. And I was like, that's interesting. Because the moon is like, you know, the subconscious.It's kind of like,

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we're not going to tell you type of thing. Or it was almost kind of like a little cheeky. Like,

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okay, stop asking. Yeah.

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Which you'll get sometimes too.

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And I have.

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I have gotten plenty of attitude because I do. I do do that. We'll just like kind of continuously ask a question. And I have, I have gotten plenty of attitude because I do. I do do that. We'll just like kind of continuously ask a question. But I also just want to continuously have that validation. And so, you know, the emperor is Aries PERSON. It's also attached to Mars LOC, which is really kind of interesting too,

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because of course we have that eclipse coming up on Monday, right? In Aries. Aries is my 10th house, which is really kind of interesting too because of course we have that eclipse coming up on on Monday right in areas yeah aries is my 10th house which is really cool too because you know career

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and even just having an opportunity to have this conversation with you is it's really cool in that

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aspect yeah but also even when I was looking this morning like I mentioned before I woke up

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with a killer migraine.

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And I woke up this morning.

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I finally looked at my natal chart and Mars was almost exactly opposing my moon LOC.

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So that was kind of interesting that the moon and the emperor card came out. And then Mars LOC was streaming my middle Mars. Yeah. Right?

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So it's just, it's so cool when I say this in a lot of readings, too, because it is always so exciting how just the messages just come out. And I don't usually choose cards. I shuffle the deck and I let the cards come out.

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Yeah.

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And when they all just, when the message is just so clear and it always is. But when it even lines up with the message with the Oracle ORG card that I choose, it's always just so cool that that just happens, like the odds of that.

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Yeah.

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Those specific cards coming out in that specific order to make this specific story. Of course, like how I'm intuitively interpreting it myself. But yeah. Yeah.

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And I can certainly relate to feeling like I'm overdoing it a bit or I'm really, it's like I need to know, I need to know, I need to know.

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And it's like, and it's the same kind of thing as the way I was describing psychology or some other mind-based pursuit. It's like, you never really going to know. There's always and it's the same kind of thing as the way I was describing psychology or some some other mind-based pursuit it's like you never really going to know there's always going to be an element of surrender and trust and sometimes the guidance is going to be like all right

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you've got enough information to work at this point there's nothing more you're still going to

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have to go through it you're going to have to walk through the door and see what happens that's

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that's part of the mystery. But at the same time,

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it's it's the same thing that keeps us coming back, which is those validating moments that one card pops out and it just you just know it. It hits you in the heart and it matches up with the

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astrological transit you're in. And that's why even sometimes these so-called negative cards or negative transits or challenging parts can be validating too because you're like, yeah, that checks out. That things have not been doing that well. It's so funny because there's always, I usually do three readings a day when I'm doing them for YouTube ORG.

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And there always seems to be at least one day where there's three readings that are just

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heavy. And I'm usually like, oh man, you know, because of course, I think too, like I'm not one of

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those people that's like, you know, I don't have that that overly positive like clickbait.

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You know, this is the best thing that's ever going to happen. Yeah, it's a little digitalizing

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when you're seeing that all the time.

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Right. All the time. And especially, too, if that's not the energy that you feel, if you're like, why isn't

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that happening for me, you know?

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But there's always a couple where I'm like, this is heavy, dudes.

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And, you know, but also, too, again, it's validating. Like, whatever your experience is. And I have on those specific readings, I usually have a couple messages from a couple people that are like, man, I feel like you were giving this reading directly to me because it resonates so much. And here I am like, oh my gosh, like, you know, I'm just kind of nervous that it was just like a,it wasn't a bad reading. There's no bad readings, but it was just heavy, you know.

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It wasn't all light.

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And you can tell that people are just moving through heavier energies and we all go through

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those times.

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And, you know, if you can validate that for people, like, yes, this is exactly where you are

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supposed to be because on the other side of that is more of the light and, you know, like

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your light specifically.

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So, so yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that can be equally, if not more validating than, you know, getting all the light confirmations as well. Right.

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And there are no bad cards in taro anyway. But, you know, I mean, there are cards that, of course, like we were talking about the devil and the tower and like just kind of have associations with them.

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But also, too, you know, it's just, it's good to know. But we need that. You know, that's kind of, associations with them. But yeah. Also too, you know,

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it's just,

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it's good to know.

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But we need that. You know,

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that's kind of, that's part of the ride. It's like if you weren't getting any of those,

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you never had those experiences, probably weren't learning all that you came here to learn or transform

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and all the ways you came here to transform.

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So I'd love to bring in this other aspect. That is what drew me to you as well, which was the integration of human design. And that's, you know, there's a whole other language and world that I'm just stepping into and starting and interviewing some people in that realm.

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But I'm curious how you were drawn to it and how that language and world

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validated you and what you started to learn about yourself through that world. Yeah.

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You know, I say, and again, this is just my belief because I think this is probably just what I've experienced. And I've also, I've heard a couple other people experience the same is that like for me human design showed up at a point where it was it was time for me to go deeper into my own healing and deconditioning because the the major part of human design is deconditioning. It's understanding that we have all been conditioned in, like, all aspects, really, of our lives.

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And it's there as a tool to help you understand yourself.

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And even, too, for me, a lot of things that I thought were inherent flaws or just I kind of beat myself up about or even try to explain experiences to people that I felt like I was having and people would be like, no, I don't see it that way. I'm like, cool.

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Well, that's invalidating. Sweet.

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But I think I mentioned before, like reading about my profile was probably the most healing thing I have experienced in a very long time. Just because I, so I'm a 5-1 profile and that fifth line comes with the projection field. And it literally says that people will never really see a conscious fifth line.

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Clearly, they'll see a projection of them.

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And I have felt that from the time that I was a kid and had no language or vocabulary to put that into words. And it's not all negative. You know, definitely it's a mirror and it's, you know, it's understanding that, hey, you know, like when things do happen or I do feel that projection thing happening,I can understand that it's not inherently me. It's part of my design. And even, you know, like reading about your type, your strategy and authority also. And even, you know, experimenting, playing around with how you feel that, how you experience it. And the benefits that you receive from that. But I started to introduce Terrienne PERSON. the benefits that you receive from that.But I started to introduce Terer PERSON readings by Human Design profile. I think it was last year, maybe it was 2022. But I didn't remember the first the first profile readings I did I had the big book of human design the definitive book of human design and I was reading straight out of that because I'm like I don't really think a lot of peopleat the time were very familiar with it and I didn't want to make it like a teaching thing.

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But I did want to introduce it in a way of,

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do you resonate with what these words are saying about your specific profile? And I, oh my God, I feel like my voice was shaking and I was stumbling all over my work.

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Because, you know, I mean, it was something different.

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And I was,

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I was kind of putting myself out on a limb. But also I was like, I'm not getting a ton of views anyway. So if it flops, then whatever. Nothing really changed. But I started getting more of a response from people on the human design readings versus just the regular zodiac sign readings. And interestingly enough, I don't know if it was like maybe August or July maybe of last year.I just received just a little fluttering, an intuitive message, a download, whatever. It was to solely focus on human design profile readings on YouTube ORG. And that freaked me out because I'm like, I'm literally cutting in half the content that I put out there. But I was like, okay, you know, I, I'm like, I'm literally cutting in half the content that I put out there. But I was like, okay, you know, I, I'm emotionally defined. So I'm a manifesting generator. My strategy and authority, of course, is to wait to respond,but I have the emotional solar plexus defined. So I have to go through that wave that we were talking about.

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That's me. That's me.

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That's me.

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Pro surfers.

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Yeah.

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Even that, right?

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I mean, even understanding the emotional wave part.

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Yeah.

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And realizing, too, how many decisions that I made based on a high or a low wave and even

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realizing how they didn't really work out all that

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well either way.

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You know, it wasn't necessarily a tragedy, but just waiting for that neutral way, you know,

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like to get to that point of neutrality and a neutral yes or a neutral no to things. But so I did that. You know, I kind of, I had that little fluttering about focusing on human design. And I'm like, so, you know, I went through the high, I went through the low. I came to the neutral and I was like, okay, speaking of surrendering and trusting, right? And I did.And again, I had more engagement from people from those readings, because I also think that human design is becoming to be more known to people. Right. So, you know,

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everybody, you know, they're just, they'll put in there. And I love hearing other people's experiences.

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Anyway, I learn best from that. And I also just love hearing other people's stories. Yeah.

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But reading their stories of especially five ones, too,

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because we've all experienced being burned at the stake in one capacity or another.

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And we're like, what the hell just happened?

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But I have had an amazing response from them. And then just this last time, I put out readings on YouTube ORG, I got the little fluttering again to reintroduceZodiac sign readings. And again, I sat with it because it takes obviously double the amount of time

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to do 24

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readings as opposed to 12. And when I did get to my neutral, I was really excited about it. So anyway, it's just that lesson of like following your strategy and authority. And truly human design is a system that is set up to help you enter into the correct experiences for you based on your design so that we don't have to go through you know like being burnt out or feeling like we're in a space where we truly actually don't want to be,but we're there because we feel obligated or we don't understand or feel comfortable saying no to things. So yeah, it's a lot of deconditioning. And for me, again, it popped up at a time where I was ready to go even

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deeper into learning more about myself yeah um and you know that that aspect of learning to ride the

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wave has has been incredibly useful for me as well I'm a manifest I'm a six two manifesting

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generator emotionally defined I'm a manifest. I'm a six two manifesting generator emotionally defined.

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I'm defined everywhere except for my heart.

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But for someone like me with the mind that loves to learn and it's sort of where my power is to learn to know.

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But to come to understand that that's not actually the place where I'm making decisions from where not the best place. Right. And it's funny because I think most people have caught on now because I talk about it a lot, but when people ask me how I'm doing, I say I'm riding the wave. And it's funny because a lot of people and just naturally interpret that negatively.They're like, oh, yeah, you must really be going through some time.

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I'm like, well, it's just the wave. It's all encompassing. It's not necessarily negative.

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It's sometimes it's very high, but I'm writing it because that has come to feel the best way that I could ever express at any one moment. Yeah, right. And it really does change that fast. Yeah. that has come to feel the best way that I could ever express at any one moment.

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Yeah, right. And it really does change that fast.

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Yeah. Otherwise, it's a jumble and waiting to get clarity. And yeah, I can be pretty impulsive. So the times that I do wait it out, I'm very grateful. And it is what drew me to you because it does something about the human design profiles feel very personal. You know, if I just see like, oh, this is a message for Virgo or something. I'm like, all right.Well, that's like one aspect of me. There's a lot of aspects of me.

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But learning about the six two. I mean, there's, like you said, I've, and right as I started learning about that profile, I started meeting a lot of other six twos. And I was like, wow, we have a lot in common.

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There's a, there's a, there's a tip, you know, it varies.

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But there's a, there's a foundation or a standard that we're all navigating within this profile.

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And yeah, I have definitely felt seen within that.

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Well, yeah, and you would probably be then on the roof stage, right?

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You're in there.

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That's right.

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How is that?

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So what's so interesting is, and, you know, people aren't necessarily going to know

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what we're talking about. But that's okay because I'm coming out with some more episodes about human design.

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And it's such a large world to get into.

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So I won't bother explaining it all.

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But at least for the six two, there is a process where basically through your Saturn PRODUCT return,

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through like age 30, you are just fucking it all up.

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And I was like, that checks out.

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That checks out.

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And you're learning, right?

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You're going through it.

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And, you know, it's kind of like you said, it's like, you know, maybe we have to go

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through it anyway. Maybe learning about these things doesn't keep us from it, but it's validating to know. And it's like, oh, I was kind of supposed to do it that way. And then from like, you know, around ages 30 through oh, I was kind of supposed to do it that way. And then, and then from like, you know, around ages 30 through 50, you're sort of in this process of what's called being onthe roof. And I actually don't understand it all that well. But it sounds like you're gaining a higher perspective. You're sort of stepping back a little bit. And before I knew any of this, right around that time is when I completely left psychology.

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I left my clinic and I just moved out to California and just started just playing around

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and exploring how to love myself, take care of myself, and serve from a more aligned place. And I was like, oh my God, I'm on the roof. I'm doing it.

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So, yeah, the past five or six years, it's really been that process of discovery and

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gaining perspective and looking at my life and being like, wow, all the driving forces weren't that great, all the things that were leading me to seek love, to seek accolades, to alleviate fear. Like, you know, none of it was an inside job know none of it was an inside job all that was an outside job and just reflecting back the the the pain points and the parts that I was still needing to learn about and and heal and grow and and these past five or six years have been the opportunity

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to really do that so um so it checks out it it relates to being in that process. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the sixth line

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is the only line that has that three-tiered process. And like you said, the first 30 years,

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you're living as a third line, all that trial and error, all of the, you know, fucking up.

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And truly it is, you know, at some point, because it's a role model line, right?

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The six line is a role model.

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And all of that.

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So after you're on the roof, you are unpacking all of that.

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What was that?

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Who was that?

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And what can you write?

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Right.

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Exactly.

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And my cousin, who is my roommate, she's a four, six.

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And she has an article that she releases on Substack recently or weekly. And in her last article,

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I'm always talking to her about this stuff. Anybody I'm like constantly,

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I even said to her, I was like, I feel like I can't even relate to people without saying, oh, well, that's interesting because Pluto LOC is, you know.

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Yeah, you need to find your try where you can have these kinds of conversations.

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Right. Or like, oh, my God. They're like a one three. Of course they're going to, you know, like act that way.

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Yeah.

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But she wrote in her article that she feels like she has lived two lifetimes already. And the third one is a charm. And she's actually going through her second Saturn PRODUCT return now.

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So she's coming off of the roof or she has come off the roof.

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But, you know, and that's where you kind of live your role model.

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You know, and you have that wisdom because you went through those experiences.

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And of course, you know, everybody, nobody comes out of childhood unscathed, right? But if you are a sixth line, that energy is different because it was there to, you know, show you wisdom.

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It was supposed to be scathing. Exactly.

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Which, you know, I'm not really like a super huge fan of telling people who have gone through super traumatic things like, well, it happened for a reason. I would never say that. But for six lines, like I'm sure as you, as you probably already know, talking to other six twos, it might have just been a bit more chaotic for you guys and shattering in certain capacities. And, you know, when you go through your, when you're on the roof, that's where you're putting yourself back together in whatever way that you want to put yourself

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back together.

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And when you come off of the roof, people are going to recognize that in you. And they're going to seek out your wisdom. And you'll be able to share that because you went through those experiences. But like I said, with my cousin, I'm like, well, that's so funny that you say that because you are four or six and you have had two lifetimes already and you are going into your third. So it probably very much does feel like very different lives.

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Yeah, and it does validate me, you know, in terms of, because it's also my belief system that on some level I chose this, not me, the human personality, but on some level this was chosen for me. And when I look back, what I see is that there was no way I was going to be able to know myself or figure things out or develop sort of on some timeline that was a standard for the people around me or the cultural.There was just no way. There was too much swirling around. There's too much chaos that I, inside, inside, that I had no idea how to make sense of so I needed I needed that time I needed every bit of it and in a lot of ways I feel grateful because there is an essence that is is is being born within me. And it takes some time. But the truth is it takes time for everybody.It just looks a little different. And I wouldn't trade that because the feeling of being in alignment with who you really are. And once a lot of things start to fall away is really worth every bit of it. Right.

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So, yeah, I haven't always enjoyed the ride.

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But I'm learning to and I'm not a victim.

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And I, you know, a lot of my life I felt victimized. But I'm not a victim.

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And it's actually a relief. It's a relief to be like, oh, I'm not. It turns out I'm not. And that's hilarious. I'm not a victim. It's actually a relief. It's a relief to be like, oh, I'm not. It turns out I'm not. And that's.

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Exactly. Yes. I'm really glad. I feel like that is what that should be the tagline for human design. I'm not a victim. Yeah.

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Because I get right.

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I mean, even for me, like just reading about some of my, the aspects of my own design too, I'm like, there is no way. And how much I tried to put on a different hat or tried to be a different person or not express that thing or be that way or whatever, which obviously took like substances in order to do. Yep.

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But to read about something that is so inherent in you,

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because truly it is, right, it's part of your design. And you're like, oh, that is so inherent in you because truly it is right it's part of your design and you're like oh that that is it's not it's not a flaw I'm not a victim of it there's actually a gift and wisdom and power and usually those things too yeah so that's what I love about it wasn't a mistake

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it wasn't an error it wasn't a misprint exactly exactly

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which is so beautiful and also like how is that even possible you know it's just like one of those

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things of all of these different elements coming together to create human design and how it can be so validating for you just based on your time of birth and where you were born.

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Yeah.

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Just wild.

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And it just, it allows me to keep trusting in the emergence, in the becoming.

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Oh my gosh.

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You know, because I wouldn't have even started a tarot channel.

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Exactly.

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I wouldn't have even started a tarot channel.

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I wouldn't have felt as comfortable being laid off from my corporate job a couple years ago.

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I would have already gone back to a full-time job if I didn't have, you know,

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these, these elements around me saying, that's probably not really best for you, right?

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So, so yes, exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I love it.

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So how do you feel about playing with the cards a little bit? Yeah.

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Doing, doing a reading.

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I mean, so it could be for me.

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I'm always happy to get a reading or anything you feel guided to.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's just pull a couple of cards.

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Let's just see what comes out.

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What do we need to know right now?

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Okay.

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We have a little bit of an explosion over here.

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Okay, please. Because they flipped over.

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So we have a bunch of wands.

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We have the knight of wands.

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Okay.

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We have the four of wands.

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Love it.

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And the king of wine. Wow. And so the wands. Love it. And the king of wine.

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Wow.

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And so the wands.

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A lot of fire.

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So again, yeah, the wands are like kind of like that three line, would you say?

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Like the action, like playing around with different choices, behaviors?

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Yep.

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Trial and error.

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Yep.

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Because it's the only way you're going to discover what you like to do,

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what works and what doesn't.

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So very, very much third line.

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The knight of ones, PERSON I just love this card anyway, but there's this dragon up here, right?

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And this is the year of the dragon, 2024.

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Yeah, Chinese NORP zodiac, you're the dragon.

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And I was born in,

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I was born in 88, which is a life path eight year and you're the dragon. And 2024 is a life path in eight year.

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And I am a life path eight number. Oh my gosh. Talk about synchronicities, right? So this car talks about, I mean,this is somebody who is really going to go out there and try it.

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This is a lot of, it feels like taking calculated risks because they're over here almost like kind of deciding how they want to approach this dragon, right?

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Like how do they, their wand is already ready.

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But also we could see that there's this like little cat back here.

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So it's also even too about like being careful not to get distracted or let something take your focus off of what your goal is.

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I love this card.

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And then the four of ones is a celebration card.

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This is reaching a place of stability and foundation. And the four of ones is a celebration card.

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This is reaching a place of stability and foundation.

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This is also even two, having community.

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There's a lot of cats in this one, too.

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Cats, yeah.

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Even the cats are excited.

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This is the everyday witch taro.

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I love this deck.

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But the four of one says that the actions that you've taken thus far

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have gotten you to this place.

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And it does talk about having

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a firm foundation under you.

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And it also sometimes they say it's an 11-11 card because these little wands here are...

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Oh yeah, I see that. It it looks like 1111, right? Yeah, four ones. Yeah.

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And then the king of wans, kings are the highest expression of the suit. So this is somebody who we can see that they have this map here and they're deciding what direction to go in. This is the entrepreneur of the taro also because you're not going to tell the king of wands like really what to do. Like they need to have creative freedom to do what they want to do, take the actions that they want to take. But again, right with itbeing the highest expression of the suit, they're very confident in the direction that they're heading in. I love that he's almost I love that he's almost like look easily at the cat

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explaining to him.

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This is what we're going to do.

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Like what do you think about this? He's like counseling the cat.

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Like it's the cat an advisor. I love that.

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But also too that just gives me the feeling of like you know familiars or even just um you know when you just you see something and you know that it's a sign type of thing yeah it has like that feeling to me too

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but that is so funny that he's I never even noticed that But it looks like he's like literally talking to the cat.

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Yeah.

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So, and I also love too how there's this progression from the knight of wands to the king of wands

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because it's like whatever, whatever is going on in this night of wans here, right? Like whatever it is that you or whoever is listening to this message, whatever goal that you have your eyesight on, or even just this year, too, since like you said,

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it's the year of the dragon, there's going to be even the substantial growth as far as community

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goes or even finding community or even, you know, reaching a place of stability and what it is that you're doing, which would put you in the king of Juan PERSON's position to be an authority and somebody that people would look up to and actually want to be advised, right? Because this little cat could be

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any one of us where we're being shown

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the way or just, you know, having a direction chosen. Yeah. Which I love that. And I love that.

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And, you know, people won't necessarily be listening to this in this, you know, eclipse portal time.

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But I'm sure it will resonate for them when they hear it.

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But for me, it's incredibly resonant.

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I mean, this time, you know, in the past few years leading up to this time, has been about throwing things at the wall, trying new things, you know, and then just sort of staring at that dragon, like, okay, how are we going to do this? Like, we're not going back. There's no going, okay, how are we going to do this? Like, we're not going back. There's no going back. So how are we going to approach this and really being guided to build a foundation,

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you know, a foundation for my life, you know, and that's, that's an emotional foundation. That's a material foundation.

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It's foundation in every aspect, which is a big part of my life path, is discovering that home for myself to become, you know, that king, for lack of a better word, because no one's really telling me what to do

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at this point.

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It's just, it has to come from within.

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I also keep hearing retreats too.

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Like, are you planning a retreat? Hmm, it's interesting. Going on a retreats too like are you planning a retreat

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hmm it's interesting going on a retreat I mean you know retreat is is something that has always

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been very attractive to me um the the power of of uh the sacredness of going somewhere and

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cultivating um a space in an environment to heal, to transform, to grow. And I've played around with it, leading them and going on to myself. And at this time, this is a time where I'm just starting to step into more in-person workshops

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and I do channeling and things like that and there's energy involved

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and cultivating that you know around where I live but also in some other places like Joshua Tree and Mount Shasta LOC which I've been to so it's percolating and I you know and in you know when I when I play around with visioning or the idea of manifestation, which I talk about a lot because I think it can be a little misconstrued. It's not really about getting attached to the expectation, but it's just around playing around with what comes up and what has visions that have come up for me for yearshave been me sort of guiding retreats, being in an environment, in a natural landscape that feels good, and just, yeah, experiencing that energy. So it's a powerful theme for me.

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Yeah. Yeah, because as soon as I, like, as I like set all these cards done, I just kept hearing retreat, retreat.

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I love it.

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But not, you know, I mean, yeah,

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because even just, you know, having all of these people, right? Yeah.

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Yeah, community.

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And then, you know, that's been, I'm sure other people would resonate with this too. But, you know, once you start to come into the authentic self, you know, not that you ever totally find it, but the becoming process, you're letting go of the community that isn't necessarily serving you and aligning with the tribe and the community that you're meant to serve and to receive from. And that's been a huge part of the foundation of my foundation.

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Yeah. Very cool. No? I mean, it seems possible if that is something that you...

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I'm into it. Universe.

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I'm ready.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Especially that dragon aspect, too.

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I mean, maybe it's just something that you get more clear on this year.

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Yeah.

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We're already in April, too, huh?

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But, yeah.

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But this is the potent... This is the potent month, the April month of Transformation, right?

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The eclipse month, the Jupiter Uranus conjunct.

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Like, there's so much, I feel like, you know, I feel like this is the month we were guided to in early 2024.

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And this is the month we will sort of step out from and really, you know, lean into whatever

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we're right this year.

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They've been saying that things aren't going to be the same after after Monday.

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I mean, we have that Saturn and Mars LOC conjunction.

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Like you said, the Jupiter Uranus LOC conjunction.

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There's a lot of big stuff this month.

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So yeah, it'll be interesting to see.

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Yeah. And how it goes. You know, for me, it really has been a process of sort of that third

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line of like throwing things at the wall because I left a very structured experience and

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just following creatively. But, you know, like retreats and things like that have always been in the

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mix and you know part of the surrender experiment has been not getting too constricted or attached to

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needing one thing to play out but but i'm ready yeah i'm ready i'm here for it um beautiful beautiful

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thank you um so um i don't know. I feel

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I feel good. I feel pretty complete about our

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conversation, but I'll just invite you to share,

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tune into anything else that you'd like as we start to

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close out here.

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I feel pretty complete too.

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And also my migraine is gone.

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So thank you for that.

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Welcome.

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So that's awesome.

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Feeling good.

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I appreciate it. This was so fun.

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Yeah.

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Thank you so much.

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Beautiful. Yeah. It's fun for me too. My honor and pleasure. And if you'd just like to say anything about what you got going on and where people can find you.

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Yeah, so you can find me on YouTube at Heretic Altaireau ORG.

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Where does that name come from, by the way?

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Well, that's what's so funny, right? So, okay, I'm a 5-1 profile, and the fifth line is is a heretic and the first line is the investigator.

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So I actually, did I have my YouTube ORG? I think I just maybe started my YouTube channel.

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I think it was like in 2021, I left my corporate job in March of 2021 and I slept for like, I think, eight months.

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I just didn't want to do anything.

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I was so burnt out. And I also had no clue what I wanted to do. Yeah.

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My tour itself was like, go to bed.

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So then I was like, you know, I really do want to start a YouTube ORG channel doing taro. And I also wanted to start an Etsy shop. So I was trying to think of a name. And anyway, so Heretic came from my, the fifth line. Owl came from, of course, even to just the investigation part of the first line, but even just,

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you know, wisdom and, you know, owls are also seen as guides in some area. So, so yeah, that's where that came from. And I love the way that it sounds together, too. And for me and my process, like I want, I had to,

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um,

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make a logo.

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And I was like,

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whatever it is,

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like the, the logo has to come really easily to me. So, um, and it did. It came out just perfect.So that's where, that's where that came from. Um, so yeah, Heretic Owltero on YouTube ORG. Heretic PRODUCT.Dot Owl on Instagram ORG. I do sometimes post daily messages on Instagram ORG, but I don't know. I'm waiting for the energy to come back around for that. I've been posting longer messages on Instagram.

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I'll just pick a card and talk about whatever messages

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come out

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around that card.

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So I've been doing that lately. And also I'm doing a live event if you're in Colorado at the end of April. I'm doing a spring event in Castle Rock at Ecclesia ORG.It's put on by Goldilink's jewelry and Castle Rock families Ecclesia ORG. It's put on by Goldilink ORG's jewelry and Castle Rock families. So I'll be doing live Terra readings there, which is always very exciting. I love that.

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Beautiful. And I'll put all this in the show notes too.

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Great. So people can access it.

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But thank you so much, Liz PERSON,

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for the conversation. And I'm sure we'll be in touch soon. Great. Bye. Thanks for listening.

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