Clippers Embarrassed in Game 3, with Andrew Greif

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Welcome back to another episode, La J-JAM WORK_OF_ART podcast. I'm Lucasanne here with me tonight, Robert Flom PERSON. Rob PERSON, I know you're in a good mood. It's Friday night. Yeah.

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The Clippers may have conquered my Friday evening vibes. It might be a first where the sheer power of having two days coming out and not having work for 48 hours, I think was overcome by the Clippers ORG' sheer malpractice in game three of this series.

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I will say, like, Clippers' playoff game days are, like, I do a lot of work on Clippers' playoff game days around, like, the blog and social media and the podcast. And to have, like, a Friday, evening, Sunday afternoon weekend in the playoffs is like, it really does take my weekend away. But I will say, Rob PERSON, I was feeling down after the game. And then I felt a little bit better when I got on the Zoom ORG call and got to see our otherguests for the first time to a while. We've got longtime Clippers beatwriter Andrew Greif here tonight. How are you doing, Andrew PERSON?

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I'm doing very well. Thank you much for having me on.

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It's nice talk with you guys. Clippers lost tonight to Dallas Mavericks to fall down to one in this series. It's a loss that I will go ahead even in my sort of host role and editorialize as embarrassing in a number of ways. I think 101 to 90, although it honestly did not feel as close as that final score ended up being. Andrew, any first thoughts or reactions just coming off of this loss for the Clippers ORG and what the outlook is going forward? Yeah, I just kept writing down on my notes as the

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kind of, especially really mid-second quarter on was they just felt like it looked like two teams in very different

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spaces athletically. And I thought they were clearly a step slow really from obviously the entire

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second half when they just couldn't cut that half-time lead at all, the amount of sheer dunks

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and lobs that you knew is kind of that's part and parcel with the Mavericks ORG, right, with those

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lob threats and with the pastors they have, you know what's going to happen, but you could almost see it, I don't want to say demoralized, but you can sort of take the energy away out of the building for the Clippers ORG. And I think my last initial off the top of my head thought was that I think there's a fairly decent rule of thumb that, you know,if the Clippers ORG security team is seen more in the fourth quarter than the Clippers highlight, then the game has not gone well for the Clippers. And I think that a lot of the Clippers security guys are lovely people. Vince, I noticed out there Rob PERSON a couple times. But you don't want to see them on TV because something has gone wrong. And unfortunately, for the Clippers ORG, it was because I just thought that their composure wasn't where it needs to be. I've seen Tailu PERSON say as much regarding turnovers and what led to them in his post-game comments. So, yeah, it's, I don't, listen, I've seen some weird comebacks in my day.So I would never count anything out in terms of the rest of the series going forward. But obviously, that's a heck of a way to start the two games in Dallas ORG.

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Yeah, I'm just, I'm thinking about now there being like a security team mom's group chat. That's just popping off in the fourth quarter like, look, they're on TV again. Rob PERSON, Rob, what are your, what are your takeaways here?

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I mean, Andrew PERSON stated all that very, very well. I think the athleticism component is something that people who picked the Mavs ORG before the series talked about as part of the reason. The Mavs ORG are a younger team. They are overall a healthier team. They are a more athletic team.To me, it's really hard to talk about any of this without talking about Kauai Leonard PERSON, who looked significantly worse than he did in game two, which is bad, worse than bad, very bad, running out of adjectives there. You know, you would have thought that two whole days off between games would have led to Kauai PERSON feeling better, looking less rusty, and instead he looked both more rusty and kind of more injured and seemed to be hobbling around more. I'm not sure if he re-injured himself at some point.I don't know if the inflammation is just not going away and he's just playing through pain. I don't know because I'm not a doctor and the Clippers ORG hoard and Kauai in particular, any medical information, like it's plutonium or whatever. It was really bad. Kauai PERSON was a negative out there, like on both ends, really. I guess on defense, he wasn't horrible.He was just basically a decoy on offense outside of a couple plays. He had two dunks, but both of them looked very ginger. He really should not have played in the second half. I honestly don't know why he even really played after his first or second stint. I don't, the Clippers ORG must know that his injury is not either that serious or, like, is not likely to get re-triggered or otherwise, I feel like they would be more careful with him.But there's really just no good explanation. He looked really terrible and really injured in this one after looking, like, healthy-ish, but just really rusty in game two. So I just don't know, but that kind of has to be the biggest takeaway. Yeah, go ahead, Andrew PERSON.

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You know, I was, it almost confused me because, I mean, you described the dunks as pretty ginger.

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I felt like those were almost confused me because they were explosive to my eye.

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Like, Paul PERSON threw that, the alley-up to him out of his reach and he really kind of had to have a burst to get that one. So I thought, okay, there's something there. That wasn't just kind of an very easy go up and get it dunk. That was hard. He was moving. Then he had to have a burst to get that one. So I thought, okay, there's something there. That wasn't just kind of an very easy go up and get it dunk. That was hard. He was moving anything. He had to accelerate.And then to go baseline on that with a defender waiting for him to paint, you have to finish quickly and explosively. I was like, okay, that looks different than we saw anything in the first half. But you're right, those two moments don't really sort of make up for the rest of it in terms of the question mark. You know, I'm looking at his plus minus right now per 100 possessions. He has a team low negative 10.7 for 100 possessions in this series.There are two games. It's just kind of striking that a guy who is so durable for so long this year, really for the first 70 games, 75 games,

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sort of now is in this totally weird limbo zone where I just can't make heads or tails of it. And it's unfortunate because I really thought this was the year we'd see sort of the whole vision for the clipper. Is everyone healthy? And clearly, they're just not right there right now.

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Yeah, I think there's a few things. I mean. Rob PERSON, you mentioned just sort of what the mindset is organizationally. The organization has said going back now leading into this series, that there's no structural damage. It's just an inflammation question, that there's no real added risk of re-injury or aggravation from him playing, it did look like he had a drive in the first quarter that he came up a little uncomfortable on. And then, but I honest, I thought he wasn't moving well before that, even though he wasgrimacing a little bit. I would say on those dunks in the third quarter, especially more so on the law, there was a little explosiveness, but both felt, they felt to me like he did exactly what he needed to do and not like he was exploding to sort of his peak athletic capability, right? So like he did have to stretch for that al-Upe and he finished it, but then he like hung there, he landed very gingerly. I don't think he felt comfortable on thoseplays and there is there's a dynamic here right where there's a difference between your knee being healthy and your brain trusting that your knee is healthy as you elevate as you drive into contact as you make aggressive changes of direction and you really sprint back on defense as you leap, right? And I think that Kauai PERSON found himself caught in some of these moments in this game where regardless of how healthy his knee is or isn't right now, he was clearly thinking about how much of a strain he was putting on himself when he made his movements.And I think if you're in that place, it's really hard to be effective at this level. And I just don't think he was effective on either at tonight.

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And obviously not something you're used to seeing when Derek Joe Jr. went by him on one possession pretty easily. Again, we think of the injury, at least I do, of being more displaying itself offensively. What we've seen Kauai PERSON's peak offensively, how does this look different? What's the contrast?I think defensively, though, it just seemed like some of the third, fourth, fifth option guys were able to get maybe a step on him

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where he wouldn't have seen that in early March.

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You wouldn't have seen that in February.

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So it jumped out on both ends.

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Yeah, I think even early to start the game, right, the defensive look where they were giving

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up some of those lobs, a lot of that comes back to Kauai Leonard PERSON in that low man role, not rotating well, right? When Zhu PERSON has to step up. They gave up three offensive rebounds to Gafford PERSON in the first three minutes. You know, oftentimes when that happens, it's because Zhu PERSON is showing on a pick and roll or he'shelping on a drive, and it's up to someone else to rotate and get that body on him. And Kauai PERSON was missing a lot of those rotations even before coming up a little sore on that drive and then subbing out in the first quarter. But I wonder if it felt this way, you guys, it really reminded me of the beginning of last season. Remember when they tried to do this thing where they would have Kauai PERSON come in at the halfway mark of the second quarter and then play like that shift and then the second half and then he missedsome time. And the whole vibe around the team at that point was, they didn't know if Kauai was playing night tonight. They didn't know what minutes he would be playing. They didn't know what their identity was, both as a team and individually when he was not there, when he was there.It's really hard for, I think, a guy like, like Terence Mann PERSON, just as an example, right, to really dial in on how aggressive he needs to be when you don't know is Kauai Leonard PERSON out there as a decoy or is he out there as Kauai Leonard PERSON? And I felt like, especially as we got into the second quarter of this game, Kauai Leonard didn't sub back in early in the second quarter, which you would have expected him to afterleaving early in the first. I felt like we did land in this sort of purgatory mode where the whole, it felt like everyone in the back of their minds was like, where's Kauai PERSON? Is he coming back? What am I supposed to be doing right now? James was the only guy.James was just like, I'm going to go make four threes in a row because I'm James Hardin PERSON, right? But I really felt like the whole mood kind of got thrown off. And there was an uncertainty where the Clippers ORG maybe previously in this series have had some game plan conviction. And it just felt like it really, from that vibe perspective, messed with the whole team's mental approach to the game.

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And I think that Hawaii is the most routine-oriented player I've ever been around in any sport I've ever covered. He follows the exact same pregame shooting routine to a T. I mean, even rotating which player development coach is sort of guarding him at different segments of it. Everything he does is down to a clockwork science. I mean, he has the way he plays. So any adjustment to that rhythm, if it's a substitution pattern he has the way he plays. So any adjustment to that rhythm,if it's a substitution pattern, just the way he feels, that's going to, I think, have a cascade effect on the way he plays. I want to give some credit to my esteemed former beat colleagues whose tweets I'm seeing live kind of right now. And Kauai PERSON said that his knee did not respond the way we want it after the first game. But he said he was kind of hopeful and confident that it'll get better as the series goes on. I think he also said, these are tweets by Ome and LaMurry that he was frustrated that this has happened to him so late in the year.So that's just my observation from being around him for so many years was that, you know, like you said, that the reason why that start of the season last year was so weird because it was clearly a different routine. And even this where he does start, but the sub pattern is different and clearly not able to cut or play the way he wants to, that is going to absolutely affect the way he plays because I think he more than anybody has a rhythm. And he lives and dies by that rhythm.

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Yeah, Kauai PERSON is out of sync. The clippers are out of sync. He's not feeling as good as we hoped. I mean, I felt optimistic coming out of that game two loss. Even though it was a loss, I felt pretty optimistic. But so much of that optimism was based on this idea of a sort ofupwards trajectory for Kauai Leonard's PERSON health and sharpness. And that, as Robert PERSON said, I think this was a regression from game two. Let's go away for a quick break. Maybe we can branch out the conversation into some of these other Clipper performances tonight.Okay, picture this.

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So, Robert, this was, if there were two guys who sort of played well for the clippers in this game, it probably was James Hardin and Avica Zubats PERSON. I don't want to ignore Norman Powell down there in the box score with 21 points off the bench, but a lot of that was late when the Clippers ORG were already down big. Hardin and Zhu PERSON were both good in this game. What did you think of those performances and how they sort of map on to what we've seen in this seriesand if those matchups are things that Clippers ORG can keep relying on going forward? Yeah.

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The Hardin PERSON thing is just, it's so funny. I think might have my most viral tweet ever, which is that, you know, the funniest thing that could have happened to the Clippers ORG is happening, which is that James Hardin PERSON is showing up for a tough playoff series and his stars are not, his co-stars are not. And that's really what's happened. I think it's neck and neck between him and zoo for who's been the best clipper through the first three games.But the two of them are so, so far out in front, everybody else in the clippers. They're the only two guys who have had good series to this point. And I don't think it's really even close. In terms of like what's repeatable, I mean, I think with Hardin, the three point shot is falling, which helps. You know, there are some other parts, which are not. Like he, especially in the second half was like a little gun shy about shooting at the rim. But then again, I mean, he also played like 44 consecutiveminutes outside of like a single minute I think in the first quarter where he got to sit because Paul George PERSON was in foul trouble and I'm sure we will have plenty to say about Paul George. But you know, Hardin PERSON in general just like has been actually able to get to his spots and like Paul George PERSON has not been able to. Even taking into account the foul trouble and just some of his own player deficiencies, like he just has not been able to make headway. Kauai we've discussed. Russ PERSON has brought a lot ofenergy and some really good defense, but has been just really bad on offense. And then you look at everybody else. It's, you know, Terrence Mannon and Murdochoffie PERSON are mostly just standing in the corner waiting for threes. Norm was really bad. The first two games was good in this one. So, like, Hardin PERSON's been the only guy, I think, comfortable in offense, at least for any, like, perimeter guy. You know, and again, like the Clippers ORG, I didn't think they need for him to be a big score in this series. It's looking like they will because really he's the guy who's been able to create the cleanest looks most consistently for himself as well as for others.Zoo ORG has just been great. I mean, if you count defense, he's probably actually been better than Hardin across the first three games of this series. The Clippers ORG cannot play defense when he's not on the court.They can't rebound when he's not on the court. He's finishing inside of anything. I mean, he took 11 shots in this game. The Clippers ORG probably just need to feed him the ball more. And, like, he's not a great passer out of the post.He's not, like, Hakeem O'Hladgwan PERSON in terms of his bag. But he is effective, and he has been able to overpower the Mavs ORG defenders. Like, it's not pretty, and it's, like, a reversion to, like, 80s or 90s basketball. But, like, he's been their second most effective player on offense by far their best defender um and there's really no reason i think that both those things can't continue the mavs have really been unable to play him off the court his defense on lucas has been fantastic um like there are times he gets burned and drop but like that happens when youplay drop the tradeoff is usually worth it um so yeah mean, neither of them played perfect games by any means. Hardin had five turnovers. I think he was a little too passive in the second half. But like they showed up. They played hard. You know, Hardin PERSON was very good on offense. Zoo ORG was pretty good on both ends. It's not enough to win the series, though.And, you know, Kauai's health is one factor. Paul George's just complete non-factor in this game is probably a bigger one, considering just health. But yeah, I mean, I think both those guys have really shown up. I wish the rest of the team would have done the same.

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Yeah, Zoo ORG, I think, has been great. And I think that Zhu PERSON was really, really good in this one. And I think one of the difficulties actually that Tyloo is encountering in this series is his inclination, we know, is to go small when things are dicey. And we know that going small, especially like, like, it's right in that like down 10, six minutes left in the fourth quarter that Tylo is like, yeah, let's get Norm out there instead of Zhu and see if we can make an Ato happen in the next 90 seconds, right? But when Zoo is your leading scorer, and he didn't end the game as the leading score tonight, but he was the leading scorer for much of the game. When Zoo ORG is your leading scorer, it's a little hard to go that route.And when Mason Plumley is as bad as Mason Plumley has been, and boy, has Mason Plumley been terrible. Mason Plumley, I think, has been saved by higher ticket issues from some wrath on this podcast in the last week. But, yeah, I mean, I think it makes it hard for Tide to take Zoo ORG out. And I think James, like, man, I really, I don't even think James was necessarily great in this game.Like you said, Rob PERSON, he was a little gun shy down the stretch. He had five assists to five turnovers, which is actually quite bad from a distribution perspective. I thought he was pretty good defensively in game one. And I think that that has really faded as the series has gone on. But 44 minutes, he's picking up the extra second unit shifts that Paul George PERSON is sittingon the bench with stupid fouls. He's picking up the scoring burden when Paul George and, you know, I don't blame Kauai PERSON as much, because Kau PERSON is clearly not right. Yeah, but when Paul and Kaui are not shouldering the load, I think, Rob PERSON, you mentioned, like, you go into the series thinking you don't need James to be a scorer. I was tweeting about this. James Hardindoesn't need to be a score. The clippers are fine when James Hardin scores less than 15 points, but has more than 10 assists. Like, he doesn't need to score 25 points a game. But he actually does if Paul and Quire PERSON both not going to be a factor. And what I really want to say, segueing a little bit from James Hardin PERSON to Paul George, is that James Hardin, for his flaws, for those turnovers and all that, is actually the guy who looks like he's out there sort of taking some ownership for the result. Like he goes out, he's playing like he knows the resultof the game depends on him as the team's best player. And he has been the team's best player in this series. It hasn't been close. He's, he's taking that responsibility. And so when Kauai doesn't, like, to end the first quarter and to start the second quarter, Paul George gets in foul trouble and can't cover his bench shift. Kawhi PERSON's knee isn't right so he doesn't sub back in. Who's out there with the second unit on his way to a 44 minute night?It's James Harden hitting four threes in a row, giving the Clippers ORG a lead. And by the way, and this is what really, I'm going to use, I get, I get, I get one F-bomb per episode for our advertisers. This is what is so fucking ridiculous about the Clippers stars is that James Hardin PERSON is guarding Kyrie Irving when the starters are out there for both teamsand Paul George who doesn't want the responsibility of having the ball in his hands on offense who is going to score seven points on 11 shots in this game who's going to take himself out of all three games in this serieshe's taken himself out of the game when he should have had his second unit shift with foul trouble. He wants to stand in the corner on Derek Jones, Jr., and let James Hardin, of all people. Paul George has been an all defensive player in the NBA ORG. James Hardin has had montages made of his comically bad defense. And Paul George wants to stand in the corner and guard Derek Jones, Jr., and let James Harden, who's playing over 40 minutes a game, guard Kyrie Irving PERSON. And then he wants to go stand in the corner on offense because dribbling the ball against someone who pressures him is too hard. I am, I have, I'm so sick of Paul George PERSON.I tell you where I will be on July 1st. I will be at the George mansion packing their bags for Philadelphia GPE. I'm so ready for it to be over.

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Andrew, you don't have to chime in on Paul George PERSON, but maybe you can just take the zoo and hardened baton.

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I think the one thing that it had just, I meant a note tonight about just the, there was a play where James got downhill and was pressured from behind and just looked like his timing was off. Maybe look up sort of their paint efficiency tonight. And I think they scored 34 or 38 points in the paint. I'm not saying this is everything. It's in fact, the amount of points that they're scoring and as terms of percentage of their overall scoring is really not that different in the playoffs than it was in the regular season. But they are shooting a playoff worst 51% inside the restricted area through three games.That's obviously you don't want to be the worst team among all playoff teams in that category. And they're only shooting 41% in the paint outside the restricted area. So I just don't see a path forward for the team if only Zoo ORG is sort of being able to convert close to the basket because I include this team, I think a lot of their woes as the season went onwhere the three-point shooting just went totally awry the last two months of the year. This is already a team that doesn't get many wide open shot opportunities, so you really have to make the shots that you get. But I just, they have to generate points downhill.That's James Harden's PERSON bread and butter. We all know that. The chemistry with him, Zew, has been good all year. If those two don't get more help, I think scoring in a pain and making thingsa little easier, then, yeah, I think scoring in a pain and making things a little easier than, then, yeah, I think the clippers might be in trouble.

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Yeah, I want to give Rob a chance to talk about Paul George PERSON, too, because I'm sure that Rob PERSON has some thoughts. But what you were saying about downhill scoring really had me thinking about, I didn't podcast after game two, but I was on the game one to recap. And in terms of sort of areas for improvement, I talked about what the Clippers ORG could get downhill from Russell Westbrook PERSON.And this might be a good transition for us to take a quick break, come back and talk about everything that was Russell Westbrook's contribution to this Clippers Mavs ORG game three tonight. Okay, picture this.

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All right, back here on The Lob of the Jam WORK_OF_ART, the podcast. Russell Westbrook in game three had an emphatic, like, highlight block back out to the three-point line on a driving Mavericks ORG layup. He came into the game and immediately made an impact on the defensive end in the first quarter. I was just talking about how Kawhi Leonard PERSON wasn't making those rotations and didn't seem right. Russell Westbrook subbed in for Kawhi PERSON. And at the six-minute mark in the first quarter, this is actually hilarious.

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He subbed in at the six-minute mark in the first quarter, this is actually hilarious. He subbed in at the six-minute mark in the first quarter and played the last six minutes.

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And both teams scored half as many points in the six minutes that Russ was on the court as the six minutes before he subbed in. So it was really quite beautiful to watch someone come in and derail two offenses in one shift. Russell Westbrook had four missed threes with the Dallas Mavericks doubling off of him. He had one assist to two turnovers. He had one point on seven field goal attempts. He had one flagrant foul, two technical fouls, and was ejected from the game. And he got some of Andrew's friends, some national TV time. Andrew, what are your thoughts on the grab bag that is what Russell Westbrook PERSON brought to this game?And really to this series so far, it has been a roller coaster.

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It reminded me a lot of his first, well, his Clippers ORG debut. I was going to say first Clippers ORG debut, that's redundant. Don't do that, kids.

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Well, if he had someone like Eric Bledsoe who plays for the Clippers ORG twice has multiple

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Clippers ORG debuts. Russell Westbrook PERSON just has it. Great point. Good point. So I remember that game. We was against Sacramento ORG right off the trade deadline.And it was the full kind of Russell Westbrook PERSON experience with all those words capitalized where there was so much energy. There were so many moments where you're thinking, well, I haven't seen that this year. It's just, he's a very incongruous player. I think that sometimes the speed with which it can look really good to really unplanned and unexpected and sometimes just bad is, I I think maybe different than most players in the leaguebecause one, he is just an extremely fast player. But there's just like a real swing of emotions and swing of efficiency with him that you don't see with many people, which I think makes him someone you just, I sort of find myself just watching him alone because of that

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because you just don't know what you're going to see.

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So like you, I thought he's coming in and he is absolutely making positive contributions offensively. And I thought the energy thing, look, I mean, this is the team that is talked about as being quiet emotionally, kind of interpersonally in the locker room. That's something Ty has talked about for at least two or three seasons. But I think that also kind of translates to sort of the energy they project on the court. Russ PERSON was the volume raiser in both those ways. So to see him sort of do his role as plan like that is exactly what the clippers want.But when, you know, you can't count on the offensive side to follow through night in night out, it's so hard to know what you're going to get and how long you're going to be able to play him. So I don't think they can go away from him, though. Russ PERSON does things that no other players in that roster do. He's able to still get to that even at his age. It's remarkable, sort of the energy he does play with.And that is needed on this team, especially if Kauai PERSON is going to be moving at less than full speed. So I don't think you can go away from it one bit, no matter sort of how up and down the performances are, which puts, you know, obviously the Kliper PERSON is in a tough spot. You're hoping for him to get on a heater.

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Yeah, and I think, I think they, I think they just need to be a little smarter. And I think Russ PERSON needs to be a little smarter. I mean, Russ PERSON was like, Russ PERSON made a lot of bad decisions in this basketball game. And not just when he sort of lost his temper, but he made bad decisions with and without the basketball.And I think that Tyloo can do more to put Russ PERSON in a position to succeed. I mean, one thing that feels kind of easy to me at this point, like, I know we were, you know, like, I don't think Mason Plumbley PERSON needs to play again in this series. And if you play small and chaos, if you play small chaos ball with Russ when Zoo ORG is out, I think you really, you raise the ceiling on like that sort of Russ PERSON impact if there's not a big man down there. And if he can, if he has an open lane, it makes it a lot harder for teams to do that thingwhere they, they play free safety off of him. I also think he needs to be smarter at attacking space instead of settling for threes. He's a 29% corner three point shooter this season. Dallas ORG will give him that every single possession of the game that he's willing to take it. And there was a point that the Clippers cut the lead to six in this game, and it immediately got pushed back because Russell PERSON took and missed back-to-back wide-open corner threeswith Dallas ORG doubling off of him. But the thing that I really worry about most of all with Russ PERSON, because like we started this conversation with, when it comes to that sort of generating looks in the restricted area, he's the guy on the team who really can beat someone downhill, get into the restricted zone, and create shot opportunities. But what really worries me is the composure.And I think that Russell PERSON brings an asset in home games that I've never seen a clipper, 14 years, 14 years covering clippers, I've never seen a clipper do the showmanship stuff with the home crowd like Russell Westbrook PERSON does it. And I think especially in a playoff environment, in game one, I mean, in game one, it was, you know, it was big. It was big. His ability to vibe with the home crowd and the Clippers ORG crowd loves him. Lord knows they love him more than I do. But they, he really connects with them and can be that showman. But we've seen throughout his Clippers ORG tenure,and we saw during his Lakers ORG tenure as well, when he is with a hostile crowd, he lets them get in his head. After that flagrant foul that he committed, the ESPN ORG camera caught him saying, FU, to a fan in the crowd who was heckling him. We've seen him throughout his Clippers tenure get baited into taking threes when he's supposed to be disciplined and not take jumpers because the crowd is jeering at him you know people show up courtside with the t-shirts and so he starts pressing and he has worse games with more turnovers and i really worry about himin the road playoff environment i think we saw that tonight i mean i think he was just for a 16 year veteran hall of fame point guard he gets rattled so easily. And it really makes me worried if you need good Russell Westbrook PERSON on the road. I don't know that you will get him. I think you can get good Russell Westbrook PERSON at home. But I think he was a problem for the Clippers tonight.And it's such a bummer because those first four to six minutes that he was on the court in the first half, I thought, man, this is this is like the Russ, you know, swing a game type of Russ that we've seen throughout the season. But it really turned into Russ making himself the main character when he's the seventh or eighth best player on the team. And that, you know, that was disappointing.

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Go ahead, Rob PERSON, jump in. This is where, though, the Clippers ORG roster flaws come in. Because Tailu does not really have another guy to put in if Russ PERSON doesn't have it, right? Like, we've talked about how Hardin PERSON is playing too much. I think Law tweeted that, you know, Hardin played 44 minutes night. It's a short turnaround to Sunday afternoon.It seems Hardin's been really good through three games. If he can have a great fourth game, I will be very pleasantly surprised. Like, the Clippers need Russ PERSON. Like, they theoretically could play Bones Island ORG. We all know that that is not happening. There are good basketball reasons for it not happening, of course.But, like, Tailu PERSON does not have many other options on his bench. Like, and this, again, is not to absolve us. Everybody who listens to this pod knows I've been quite critical of him at times. But, like, there really aren't many other options without, again, just super overplaying, you know, your three stars, one of whom is dealing with bad injury, one of whom cannot stay out of foul trouble, the other whom is going to be increasingly gassed as the series goes along. So I agree with all that. I just don't know if there's another option for Tailu PERSON. I will say on the small ball thing, I mean, this is so interesting because, you know, you guys have both talked about being able to get downhill andfind guys, and Russ PERSON is a really good passer. He's really good at those interior passes to Vita Zubots and Mason Plumley and Daniel Tice PERSON. But it's just the old Russ PERSON conundrum, which is that he is good at those things, but playing him with a big man does clog spacing. The Rockets literally traded away Clint Capella in his semi-prime, who is a very good starting center, specifically because they wanted to make Rust ball work. And like that was six years ago. Things have not gotten better since then.So it's just this paradox where like he plays well a lot of times with big men. You need that downhill. But you also don't trust him to finish at the rim. His best attribute is getting downhill and making those little shovel passes to big men or kick out to corners. But like if he's playing with the big men, like a lot of times he doesn't have the room to go in or shooters are not being helped off of and they're not open. I don't really know what to do. You know, I think, you know, Ty Louie PERSON have not talked a lot about, you know, talked about a lot. I think, you know, with Kauai PERSON's injury, he's not high in the list of people to blame, per se.I do wish there would be, you know, as few Hardin and Russ PERSON minutes together as possible. Try to get Russ with, you know, as you said, PJ Tucker. And again, for somebody who have been so brutal on this year, I am legitimately kind of shocked that PJ Tucker has not played a minute through three games.

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I'm very surprised by that as well. Yeah.

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Especially with the maps going small so much. Yeah, I just, I don't, I don't necessarily know. I think we'll probably see some big rotation adjustments in game four. I was expecting some of them to come today. They did not. And again, this is where I think Andrew's point about Kauai PERSON and how much of a, you know,he needs to play in his certain way and how when he does not do that, throws him off. It throws a team off. I think that may have just disrupted the entire game plan for the Clippers ORG. Because it seems like they did not know he would be this limited coming in and kind of just found out as the game was going likeoh, Kauai PERSON doesn't look good. Kauai is probably not able to go like 35 minutes in this one. And I think that may have just thrown everything off. But yeah, I would be, you know, love to see somebody besides Mason Plumley out there. I think trying to stagger Russ's minutes with Harden PERSON as much as possible and just searching for ways to get him off ball.Use him more in the pick and roll. I feel like he's not sitting that many screens. He's been really good at it this year. I get Zew PERSON's been a monster, but have Russ PERSON set more ball screens and get defenders into the play. It's like the Draymond Green PERSON thing.Like, if you don't guard a guy and he's setting screens, then the guy who's setting a screen for is wide open. So I just think they could be using him smarter, but that, again, that's not to absolve Russ of his own issues.

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I think that the thing the observation, Lucas Hugh made about sort of the way that Russ PERSON plays the

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the crowd is so inextricable to who he is as a player for good and for bad is something that

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I've actually tried to write about one time and then I just couldn't find a player for good and for bad is something that I've actually tried to write about one time and then I just couldn't find a home for it in the last couple months. But I was always fascinated watching Russ early in his time with the Clippers ORG when before the game would start when he was a starter. I'd always see him hanging out by the baseline underneath the stanchion looking up like 300 level, whatever arena we were in.And he would always do it. And I just thought, what is he looking at? You know, what is so important that, like, right before the tip off, he is looking up away from the court. And so I asked him this here in San Antonio GPE, there's a practice, and I want him to say, listen, I just, I'm so fascinated by this. I don't know if this is a story, but what are you looking at?Like, what are you focusing on? And he said, right before I go out to play, I look for someone in the crowd. And sometimes it's someone who I see has a sign that says, like, go Russ PERSON. Or someone looking in my eyes who's like cheering me on and I get energy from that. And that's the thing I go out and say, yes, like that's his rocket fuel. Or he says, I see someone who is telling me, you know, jeering me, yelling at me, taunting me, cursing me out. And that gives me rocket fuel too. So like right before he would play, he would make a pointed effort to look and find someone in the crowd to give him that last sort of bit of momentum, that last thing he needed. And that says everything that I've always thought about Russ PERSON is that he is a guy who is pureemotion and you are just riding that high or low with him the rest of the way no matter what team you're on or team you're opposing him with. And so you can't take that out of him. Like all these ideas of can he change as he ages? Can he be a different type of player? I think there's certain ways where he can play differently. And we saw that last year.He was a little more controlled after the All-Star EVENT break. His first time with the clippers, you could see him turn down shots or just, you could see him playing within parameters. But in terms of his worldview, you're never going to take that out of him. And so I think that in some ways, you can't really change who he is foundationally. And like I said,

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that's for better and for worse. You know, it really reminds me, Andrew PERSON, like, it's really an interesting story. I'm glad you shared that conversation that you had with him. The Clippers ORG played a pair of games in Russ's first season with the team where he signed after the All-Star Break. They played a pair of games in Memphis GPE, two games in a row in Memphis. And there were, I don't remember what it was.But, you know, I mean, especially following, following that Lakers ORG tenure, where the Lakers fans themselves were so cruel to him. And it really sparked opposing fans to be very cruel to him and towards his family. Like his family couldn't come to home games. I mean, like really, really sort of just gross treatment by by spectators towards the athletes who are here, you know, performing for our entertainment, right?And they had this pair of games in Memphis and fans were feeling really emboldened. The road fans, I remember in that first stint with the Clippers ORG, they played a lot of home games after that All-Star Break, but the road fans were so emboldened in just like really crossing a line that that I certainly wasn't familiar in seeing hecklers, like the Blake Griffin and Chris Paul PERSON Hecklers didn't cross that line in that way. And there were these group of Memphis GPE fans who showed up court side with these t-shirts.I don't even remember what it said, but like it's just...

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They sat along the baseline.

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Yeah. Yeah. Right next to the Clippers ORG bench, like five feet from the Clippers bench. Yeah, yeah. And it's unfathombed. Like I've gone to games as a fan, not even Clippers ORG games, like random football games or whatever, right?And like, you know, booed a player that I didn't like, right? It's fun. It's banter. Rob's a Philly GPE guy. So he's all into the booing people. But when I saw that, I was like, I would never even, like, it would never even crossmy mind to like get a group of friends together and get T-shirts printed just to go buy thousand dollar seats and heckle someone and russell westbrook came out in that game that first game of those back-to-back games in memphis he had 36 points 10 assists 13 of 18 shooting five of five from three and he was just the whole he was talking to them the whole game and then he came back the second game in memphis and he had four points on two of eight shooting and the clippers lost by 14 and maybe the clippers just need you know if it's i don't know if it's a coin flip or or what it is but uh they need that first version of r Russ PERSON to show up in game fourbecause the second version of Russ is who they got tonight in game three. Let's go away for another quick break, and we'll come back. We'll keep talking about how this series looks going forward for the Clippers ORG. Okay, picture this.

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All right, back here on the Lob the Jam ORG, the podcast. Look, I think if I know our audience for this show, and I think I do, I don't think that they need us to tell them why they should feel pessimistic after today's game heading into game four. I think they've got that one down on their own. And so I'm going to give you guys a challenge.And this will be hard for Rob PERSON. So I'll ask Andrew first, give Rob PERSON some time to chew on it. Andrew, make the argument for why you think the Clippers win game four in this series. Hmm.

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Maybe it's the lived experience I had covering that 2021,

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or it was a 2022. I'm losing all time. 2021, you were right. Yeah, the Dallas ORG series there. Being in that building when it was down whatever 19, early in that game three, and there's no way this team.

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This team looks rattled. They looked old. And they still won. So maybe Serge Abaka can get back at Voodoo Room all the way from Germany GPE to make something happen. I do think that Ty has a way that can get guys to play hard under dire circumstances. I do think he has a way. And I think that even something of the reason is thatCleveland GPE win, that absurd Cleveland comeback is a seed that is probably planting guys of minds like, look, they can do this. So that is nothing that is going to be hard and fast in terms of strategy or tactics. But I do think that this team, to me, being around them was stronger mentally than at least the last couple Clippers ORG teams I was around. I just think that those teams, you can see when, it's like they resigned to a loss sometimes in the first half. And you could just see it. And this year's team, I thought, was different, much different in that regard.Maybe it was a lot of players said it was hard. Whereas because he sort of had this confidence about him and a sort of a swagger that rippled throughout the roster. I, you know, how much of that reserve of confidence is still left after a game like this? You don't know. But I think that the best case scenario is that look hard and has looked really good.And Zhu PERSON is, I think, time after times looked really good. I think that Kauai to expect him to have, you know, a game like we saw from November through February probably is not realistic even the way he described his need tonight post game that's out of character for himto sort of go into detail about his health the fact he was willing to acknowledge that he is not at 100% sort of says it all I think that you know Paul PERSON is a guy whoif I have to make the case for why Paul PERSON will play better and can lead him to a win game four. Well, he can't play worse. That's true. I wrote a story in, really the season start in Octoberwhere I walked to Paul PERSON to his car and basically said, hey, I've listened to your podcast all summer and you speak in these different interviews and you talk about legacy so much like this summer you talked about legacy all the time like what's on your mind like why why is thissuch a talking point for you and he was really candid about saying like look my legacy is nothing right now it's not what i want it to be i don't have a ring and that's all it matters so i think he's a guy who thinks about the way he's perceived a lot

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and is very in tune with sort of how people talk about or even think about him.

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So I think that after three games, you said exactly right, that he's sort of taken himself out from foul trouble. And tonight he was very upset with officiating. I think he'll see a guy who plays very well in game four.

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I think that's the case for it, because he is a guy who thinks big picture and would not want to go out like this.

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Rob, reasons to be optimistic that the Clippers win game four.

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I'll give you a couple.

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I think Andrews PERSON were very good uh and probably more uh more optimistic than mine um i will say that um the defense is probably the biggest reason to be optimistic i think the clippers have for the most part paid very good defense in the series some of it has just been bad shooting like Like, Luca PERSON has had some off shooting games. Kyrie was pretty quiet in the first half, explode in the second half. But I think the clippers defense has been quite sound. I think they forced Luca PERSON into really tough shots outsideof Paul George hilariously, who should be one of the clippers better defenders on Luca PERSON. They've actually done a good job at not biting his pump pump fakes paul george has fallen for a lot of them other clippers have not vizizze zubots has not um i think they've done a really good job defending luka kairi was always the guy who i thought was kind of just a tougher matchup challenge even though luca's obviously better um and kairi has shaken free in in the past two games in, you know, specific segments. But I think the Clippers ORG defense, like, if they can keep playing this level of defense and just get an actually good Paul George PERSON game on offense, then, like, I think that they might be able to win game four.That's one thing. The other thing would be that I do think Tailu PERSON will have some different strategies. If nothing else, we know Tailu PERSON will tinker. We know Tailu PERSON will make adjustments. Sometimes he over-adjusts.

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But, like, he will, I think he will come out and have some adjustments. As Andrews PERSON said, I think he will also be like, you know, this was embarrassing.

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Like, they got punked by PJ Washington. An unlikely person to have punked this Clippers ORG team. I think that may resonate. Like, the Clippers ORG will hopefully come out with some fire. I think Tyloo can help spark that. I do think, like, again, for as small as this might seem, I think there will probably be adifferent backup center. I think there will probably be a different backup center. I think there will probably be some different lineup combinations. There might be just some different overall strategies and game plan tactics. So, you know, I've been critical on Tailu for a lot of the past couple years. Actually, not most of this regular season, not really. I think he's did a great job this regular season.I think so far he's been a little slow for adjustments in this playoff series, but I think he will certainly have some because if they don't win game forward, it's probably over. So I think if you think defense and then Tailu adjustments are probably the two things to be optimistic. Yeah.

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Do you guys think that Quar Lairn plays in game four? I think they have to give it a go. Do you guys think that Quar Leonard plays in game four?

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I think they have to give it a go. And he said he's optimistic to play, or he hopeful to play, I should say. I think they have to hold out hope, even if it's the last moment for the bugger to give it a play, because he does introduce a threat that you have to acknowledge if you're at Dallas ORG a defense.

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Yeah, I find myself wondering, right? They told the team, that first game won on Sunday, they told the team on Wednesday that he wasn't playing. They kept him listed questionable. They didn't go and tell writers, but they told the players in the locker room on Wednesday that he wasn't playing. And they prepared for the game on Sunday without him, and they won that game comfortably,like double digits the entire last three quarters of the game. They didn't, to the best of my understanding, it was not until after practice on Monday, between games one and two, after practice on Monday that they told the players that evening that he would play on Tuesday. And then I think everyone knew he would play tonight, but then he actually played much less than expected and had a smaller role than expected,and it got in guys' heads a little bit. I'm actually, I don't even know if it would make me more or less optimistic if they've ruled him out because I think that some of that clarity goes a long way for guys. I think the best case scenario is that he actually, you know, with a couple more days, feels better than he did today and plays well on Sunday. That is like the best case scenario.But yeah, I just, I think clarity goes a long way for this Clippers ORG team, especially with regards to Kauai PERSON status. I think that Zhu has talked over the years about, you know, the frustration of the inconsistency, Zoo kind of being the Ironman and being out there when Paul and Kauai PERSON are and being out there when Paul and Kauai PERSON aren't, right?But I think if there was going to be a reason for optimism on Sunday for me, for Game 4 EVENT for the Clippers, it wouldn't really have to do with thinking that Quire Leonard PERSON will be playing more or playing better. I just don't know if that's the case. But I think Paul George PERSON will have a good game for. I just can't, you know, I mean, I harp on him. I harp on him.But he's a really good basketball player. And I think he will have a good game for. I think that the biggest piece of confidence that I have, which Robert PERSON mentioned, is that the Clippers have held this Mavericks team now to 97, 96, and 101 points in these three games. And if you told me that, I would expect the clip, if you told me that that's what the Clippers ORG had allowed, I would expect them to. If you told me that that's what the clippers had allowed, I would expect them to be up three zero. So they've got some offensive stuff to figure out.I think they're going to need a Russ game on Sunday to win. I just don't James's legs. I don't think he can play 44 minutes again. I don't think he's going to score 20 plus for the fourth game in a row. I think you're going to need a Russ PERSON boost off the bench. I think you're going to need some role player shot making that they haven't gotten since game one. I think you're going to need a Russ PERSON boost off the bench. I think you're going to need some role player shot making that they haven't gotten since game one. I think you're going to need a big Paul George PERSON game.I do think the zoo stuff is really sustainable, but like can Terrence Mann PERSON and Amir coffee give you 15 points instead of giving you two points like they did today, right? Like that makes a big difference. And yeah, you know, as down as I feel tonight, I still feel like this, these three games, the clippers being down to one has more to do with the clippers than the Mavericks ORG to me. I don't think that the Mavericks, and I would have said the opposite in 2021 when they went down2.0, I would say, this is all about the Mavericks ORG. It's about the Mavericks ORG basically being unbeatable with their shot making in that series. This time, I think it's about the Clippers ORG. I think the Clippers ORG have struggled to get the contributions from the guys they needed them from. They've struggled to get the shot making they need. There's questions surrounding Kauai PERSON.But the defensive game plan has been good enough. Ty will have some wrinkles. I was, this is just a footnote, but I thought it was interesting to see Bones Highland PERSON, even for 30 seconds to end the first half because there was a stretch during the season where it was clear that Bones Highland PERSON wasn't even like an option because he was kind of disengaged because of his role.But Ty, you know, even if it's just as a specialist role, is there a Bones Highland wrinkle that we see at some point, especially if James needs a rest and is having some legs issues, is there a PJ Tucker wrinkle that we see at some point? Or has PJ Tucker checked out mentally from not playing in these games? There was a shot during a timeout where other guys came out to greet the teamand PJ PERSON kind of stayed on the bench and wasn't talking to anyone. So I wonder where his head is at because he's, you know, the team did have to send him away before the All-Star EVENT break as well for that. And is there a Daniel Tice PERSON wrinkle? Daniel Tice has been, you know, maybe, maybe the eighth most important clipper this season, maybe the ninth most important clipper this season.But to not play at all through these games has been surprising. So, yeah, I'm not sure on overall how confident I feel, but I think that there's, Dallas has been unimpressive enough for me. And the Clippers ORG have enough headroom in terms of they've played so far below what they're capable of, that it's hard not to feel like this Clippers ORG team is capable of having a good performance hard not to feel like this clipper's team is capable of having a good performance and making me look like an idiot, right?Like, if you really go full doomsday, I still feel like they might just, but even without Kauai, go out there and win game four. Any closing thoughts, Andrew PERSON?

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I just thought that to add your point that defense and Rob PERSON's point about the defense, we've seen it for three games. I feel fairly certain that they'll be able to continue that into another game, just because it's been pretty consistent so far, both whole man away.That defense will allow them, as we all know, not to be perfect and win, but they cannot undercut themselves with their own their own mistakes right uh the 19 turnovers tonight and really it was 17 i think the last two were just kind of the garbage time turnovers but uh really 17 and in a kind of the the meat of play when Dallas only has nine you're just killing yourself in terms of not onlypossession battle but in an environment like that, which is 20,000 people, the emotional side of it as well. So I think the defense will give them a lot of leeway, but the second they kind of chip away by their own mistakes, then I think it's a whole different ballgame for how much margin they have for error.

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Yeah, the turnovers were big tonight too, because even talking about the success that they have had with defensively, Dallas scored 100 and 1 points tonight. The most they've scored in the series, 29 of those points are off of the Clippers ORG 19 turnovers. Right. So in the half court, the Clippers ORG were actually still very good defensively this game.Rob PERSON, any closing thoughts?

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I'm going to blame the bad juju and bad vibes on JJ Reddick PERSON being there and calling the game and uniting two disappointing Clippers zeros. Maybe hopefully he doesn't call game four. I'm just going to blame this on JJ PERSON. Come on the pod, JJ PERSON. Or invite me on your pod.No. Yeah, I think Paul George PERSON will have a good game for. I think the team should hopefully be upset that the maps really were talking a lot of smackand seemed to be talking a lot of smack post game. Like the Clippers ORG, if nothing else, have had some pride and don't really like that kind of stuff. So I do wonder if that wicks them up a little bit.I sure hope it does. For as much as you can say about Russ PERSON, like, he does go out there and he plays hard and he has that energy. And sometimes that energy can be misplaced. But like I would like to see the entire Clippers team have that kind of level of fight and energy in game four because they are fighting for the season. They can win coming down from 3-1, but it is very unlikely.Even with two home games out of the last three, they really need game four. And I expect them, even if they lose, to come out with more fight and hopefully a little bit just overall better focus than they had in this one. Yeah.

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All right. And that will do it for this episode of the Lob to Jam WORK_OF_ART, the podcast. Thank you guys all for listening. Thanks, Rob PERSON. Thank you, Andrew Greif for being here with us tonight. Hopefully we'll get an extended playoff run and get to have you back on the pot again this postseason.It's always a treat. We appreciate your time. And if you like the show, you're listening at home, please leave us a five-star review on whatever platform you're listening to us on. Of course, it really helps. And as always, regardless of how good or bad the times are, go Clippers. Okay, picture this. It's Friday afternoon when a thought hits you.

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I can spend another weekend doing the same old whatever, or I can hop into my all-new Hyundai Santa Fe PRODUCT and hit the road. With available H-track all-wheel drive and three-row seating, my whole family can head deep into the wild. Conquer the weekend in the all-new Hyundai Santa Fe PRODUCT. Visit HyundaiUSA.com ORG or call 562-314-4603 for more details.Hyundai ORG, there's joy in every journey.