PHANTOM MENACE @ 25 - A Special Anniversary Release

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Hi everybody, welcome to 1999, the podcast. This is a special edition of the podcast, because today, if you can believe it or not, is May the 19th, 2024, which means it is the 25th anniversary of the release of Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART. A number that when I say it out loud just sounds literally unbelievable. The last 25 years have gone by pretty quickly for a lot of us, and so many of us remember everything leading up to the release of Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, the summer of Phantom Menace, so very, very well. And it is a movie that has gone on to have a special place in many of our hearts.As the years have gone by, so to celebrate the release of the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART and its legacy, we are presenting you with a few special treats today. We asked some friends of the podcast new and old to share some of their thoughts with us about their memories of the film. And then we're going to follow that up with a re-releaseof the second episode we ever did of this show, our Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART episode, from two years ago with me and Joey Lewandowski, joined by Return of the second episode we ever did of this show, our Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART episode from two years ago with me and Joey Lewandowski PERSON, joined by Return of the Pod WORK_OF_ART, co-hosts Brian Silliman, and Matt Romano PERSON.So stick around for that. But we are going to start today with some thoughts. From Nikki Gallegos PERSON, horror author, podcaster, Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fanatic, and all-around great person.

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As a kid, I used to watch the original trilogy and play with my micro-machine toys, which I still have, I would like to add. And whenever episode one, The Phantom Menace came out. My mom took me to the theater, and I remember just being absolutely blown away. Gungan City FAC was gorgeous. I think visually the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART is probablythe most beautiful Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie that exists, but the one moment that stuck out the most to me was Darth Mall's double-bladed lightsaber.I somehow didn't know it was going to happen. And whenever he unveiled the second side, I just lost it. The pod racing, which also is an incredible video game that I have never beaten. Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART just started out my love for the prequel trilogy right off the gate. And I thank it so much.

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Hey, this is Nick from Film Shake, the 90s movies podcast, recording this spot for the podcast dedicated to the greatest year in human history, 1999. Talking about my episode one experience, I was a huge Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fan. I turned 18 and 1999. The day the movie came out, my friend Robbie PERSON and I left school, got in his car. It was his mom's crowned Vic with a V10 engine.It sounded like a jet engine. And we roared that thing down the highway to Baden Rouge, Louisiana GPE, got to the movie theater, watched the film. I absolutely loved it. I went to church that night. I went to school the next day. All I could think about was the Phantom Menace. I went back and that night. I went to school the next day. All I could think aboutwas the Phantom Menace. I went back and saw the movie five times that summer. Just absolutely adored it. I mean, I had watched the original trilogy so many times up to that point, but I was really psyched. I listened to the soundtrack all summer. And then a year later, I went to college, and I found out it wasn't cool to like episode one, and unfortunately, as the prequels unfolded, it just wasn't cool to like them, and I wanted to be cool, so they were disappointments to me, and they really weren't what I was expecting. I had the whole prequel trilogy in my mind already of what I thought they would be, and they'renot that. But as I got older, and maybe because some other Star Wars movies were released that I don't really like very much, I started to appreciate the prequels more and more and I came back to loving them. You know what? When I was 17, I think I was a smart guy and I was smart to love the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART. It's such an enjoyable movie. For all its flaws, it's not perfect. I mean, Jar Jar PERSON, sorry, I don't love him.I wish he was in the movie half as much as he is. Natalie Portman PERSON, a little wooden in the movie. Jake Lloyd, I think he's fine for a kid. He does great. Ewan McGregor, awesome. Liam Neeson PERSON, awesome. Really, I enjoy everything about this film, even the things that aren't good. Even Jar Jar PERSON, as much as he annoys me, that's a great motion capture performance. It's all good to me. This movie is a part of the fabric of my life, and I love it. Star Wars Episode 1, The Phantom Menace, the movie of 1999. It might not be the best film of 1999, but it is the movie that to me is most emblematic ofthat great year, the greatest year in cinema, the greatest year in human history, yes. My name is Mike Manzi PERSON.

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I'm co-founder of the Cage Club Podcast Network ORG. And 25 years ago in this very galaxy, I was there watching the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART on opening night with my best friends from high school. And the thing I remember most is probably being completely overwhelmed. I had been waiting half a lifetime for more Star Wars WORK_OF_ART content. I was born in 79. I'm approaching 45.This was everything to me. And looking back, it is really hard to explain the scope of the madness that was surrounding the release of the first Star Wars WORK_OF_ART prequel. And we knew we were getting two more after this. So like the anticipation was at a maximum. Boy oh boy, that first screening was a lot.I mean, from Jar Jar to the Pod Racing PRODUCT to the duel of fates, to Darth Mall PERSON, to all of the extra lore that was being expanded and explored. All of the incredible visuals, I mean, it was more than I was expecting. And it took some time to process. And I think actually, you know, I'm still processing it. But having recently watched the movie for the first time in a few years, I realized,man, this thing has held up. I still like it a lot compared to the new plethora of Star Wars WORK_OF_ART media that we are getting. It still ranks in the top for me. So here we are 25 years later, looking back, and man, do I feel fortunate that we got this movie when we did? May the Force be with you.

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Bright Sons, it's Matt Romano from Return of the Pod WORK_OF_ART, a podcast about Star Wars WORK_OF_ART and more. And I'm riding solo today. Brian and Caitlin PERSON are off-world on another adventure, but it's a pleasure to be here with you all on 1999 The Podcast. and more. And I'm riding solo today. Brian and Caitlin PERSON are off world on another adventure, but it's a pleasure to be here with you all on 1999, the podcast, celebrating the 25th anniversary,geez, 25 years of Star Wars episode one, The Phantom Menace.

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I was 16 when this movie came out, and I'll never forget cutting gym class so I could get in line to purchase my tickets and looking back.

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It's crazy to think how much hype there was for this movie. I don't think kids today really understand just how crazy a deal this was. The years leading up to its premiere, you had the release of the original trilogy on VHS, the THX PRODUCT remaster, then the re-release of the original trilogy special editions and theaters, then again released on VHS PRODUCT. If you own both box sets, you know what I'm talking about. Then there was the multimedia extravaganza that was Shadows of the Empire WORK_OF_ART, a personal favorite return of the pod. But all of this and more brought Star Wars WORK_OF_ART back front and centerto the cultural zeitgeist, and then it happened. They dropped episode one, and nothing was the same ever since in the galaxy far, far away. If you live through this time, you surely have your own memories, but I for one just can't forget the endless amounts of marketing for this movie. It seemed like there was a tie-in with virtually every product on the planet. There was episode one toilet paper. No joke. Look it up. It happens. Or maybe not. But anyway, I can sit here and talk all day about what I love and maybe not love about this movie.But hey, it's not my podcast. But I will say, now 25 years older with kids of my own, taking them to see Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART in theaters is something I will never forget. And I don't know why I was surprised, but the battle droids with all their Roger Rogers and of course Jar Jar PERSON stole the show for my kids,just like Lucas PERSON intended. And I get it now. I see the light that is the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, I understand. But is Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART a great movie?

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I'm the only human who can do it.

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Maybe. Is it the best Star Wars WORK_OF_ART? Probably not. There's always a bigger fish. Is it the best Star Wars WORK_OF_ART? Probably not.

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There's always a bigger fish.

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But it succeeded in introducing a new generation of fans to the franchise and opened the door for all of the Star Wars that we love today. As George likes to say, it rhymes. And I love that.

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Again, it's like poetry. It's sort of they rhyme. Every stanza kind of rhymes with the last one.

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So, happy 25th birthday, Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, and one more thing. Whoever had the great idea to name the last track on the soundtrack, the death of Quigon Gin PERSON, before the movie came out,spoiling the entire end of the movie? That wasn't cool. Anyway, many boats, be the spark, and thanks to 1999, the podcast for having us on.

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Well, technically mad, it was Quigon PERSON's noble end.

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It's not quite the same as the death of Quigong PERSON gin or whatever, but yeah, I take your point. Thank you to all four of you for sharing those thoughts. It gives me the warm Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fuzzies to listen to all of that. I just want to say before we get into the bulk of the episode in which I say a lot, and so does Matt, and so does Brian, and so does Joey to some extent. But the three of us, of course, me, Matt, and Brian are the big Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fans on that particular panel.So I have a lot to say about the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART in the episode. So I'm not going to overdo it here, but I just do want to say for context that one of the reasons I decided to start doing this podcast, lo, these couple of years ago, first with Joey and now with Jen, and have been loving doing it ever since, is because of the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART. And 1999 would not have been as formative a year for me, both sort of personally and also in terms of film, had it not been for that movie, it still would have been arguably one of the greatest film years of all time.But I'm not sure that it would have the same kind of emotional resonance that it has with me, which is what made me want to do this show in the first place, without having Phantom Menace at the center of it. Seeing the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART and the anticipation for the Phantom Menace is not something that there's ever a comparison to before, nor will there be now in the days of being able to book your tickets and your seats online quite easily, and not having to go through a dial-up 56 PRODUCTK modem and have theFandango website crash or whatever as you're trying to do it. For the Phantom Manus, I stood in line a week before the movie opened at Framingham 14 Cinemas in Framingham, Massachusetts, along with several hundred other people with plastic lightsabers and just the joy of childhood on their faces, regardless of what their age was. Part of the greatness of that experience was the bonding and was the community that emerged out of it. One of the things, of course, that the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART is famous for is the immediate sort of backlashand that the movie was not what certain people were expecting. And one of the things that I found really interesting is that the people who tend to like it the most over the years are people who are roughly my age, that is to say, early to mid-40s, late 30s in that general range. And I think there's a really good reason for that. And that's that a lot of the Star Wars fans who at the time were in their 30s or even 40s had grown up, not just with the original trilogy, but had seen the original trilogy in the theaters when it came out.Whereas, you know, we're of the generation who saw the original trilogy on VHS, and it was sort of already a kind of cultural thing. There was nothing really kind of mind-blowingly new about it like it was there was with its first run in theaters. And so I thought about the way that kind of ownership or the feeling of kind of ownership over a franchise or a property among the fandom is kind of different depending on what age you're at. Certainly, as Nick PERSON points out, there was among people our age a sort of uncoolness to liking the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART that's set in sort of immediately.But one of the things that makes it different as a movie is that unlike the original trilogy, it was never meant to be a self-contained story. And so, you know, a New Hope sort of works as a narrative from beginning to end, where the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, like, you know, there's more coming. And it's just an inherently kind of a tantalizing ending, where you want more immediately and you want to expand the world and explore it more. And it kind of leaves you a little cold because it's like reading a chapter of a book and having to close it for three years. That was a tough and new experience for a lotof us. I think as the prequel trilogy unfolded and all George Lucas's PERSON various shortcomings as scriptwriter and director of actors aside, built something interesting and new and that we fell in love with in a very different sort of way. And I think the revisionism for Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART is largely, rightly, uh, due to, to that. We go back and look at it now. And we see this incredibly beautiful film as Nikki Gallego PERSON says, it is the most stunning looking Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie ever made. It's one of the most stunning looking movies ever made. It is absolutely gorgeous to look at. There are shots in there that you're just never going to find in any of the sequel trilogies or anything else like that. And I love all those things. I love all Star Wars WORK_OF_ART.I'm not dissing anything. But there's a certain sort of artistry to the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART that is unique to that one particular movie. So that, you know, I always loved it. I was immediately sort of like, okay, this is new and different and weird. And it took me, I had to go see it in the theater 12 times, which I did that summer to really get it to sink in. I have loved it ever since. I've had backwards and forwards relationships with it, but I took my kids to see it last weekend. And just sort of watching it with like fresh eyes and realizing just how great it is.And this movie that, you know, was knocked for being too geared towards 12 year olds or children. Is geared towards 12 year olds and children, right? is geared towards 12-year-olds and children, right? As Matt PERSON says, like battle droids and Jargera binks, like the kids loved it. And that's often their favorite part, and there's something really endearing about that. And also that it was trying to create the sort of sense of innocence and beautythat was lost when the empire came to power. So I also think I'd be remiss without saying that we should take a closer look at one of the main criticisms of the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, which is that it deals with trade disputes and minutia that's very difficult to pierce or understand or really get the stakes of. Anybody who knows what the actual story is, knows that those things are a diversion, that they're not even real, that it is a phantom menace, see also the title.But also as we approach the rising tide of fascism once again, as we look to the demise of democracy to thunderous applause once again in our own history as we're heading that way. I think it's important to look at what the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART is trying to say, which is that one of the reasons that fascism rises to power is because of minutia that people tune out, of trade disputes, and of these political machinations that nobody can make heads or tails of and that they think have nothing to dowith a bigger picture. Phantomenes PERSON tells us to always be wary and to protect freedom and democracy in our galaxy and elsewhere. That is our charge, and we lose it when we lose sight of that and when we lose sight of the bigger picture. And when we lose sight of what we are supposed to be doing and what we are for, what the Jedi PRODUCT are for, which is not to be negotiators in a trade dispute. That is a society that is off the rails. And I think there are some important lessonsthat we should have learned of the last 25 years that I hope are not too late to learn now in this incredibly beautiful and wise and moving movie that will be a big place in my Star Wars WORK_OF_ART heart for the rest of my life. So happy Star Wars anniversary day to you all. Go watch the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART. Go watch it through the eyes of a kid, either your ownkids or the kid who lives somewhere deep in your soul. And may the Force be with you and many boats. open your soul. And may the Force be with you and many boats. Enjoy our episode from two years ago with Joey Lewandowski and Matt Romano and Brian Silliman from The Return of the pod on Star Wars Episode 1, I'm John Brooks PERSON.

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And I'm Joey Lewandowski PERSON.

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And this is episode two. No, it's episode one. Oh, wait. I'm John Brooks. And I'm Joey Lewandowski. And this is episode two. No, it's episode one. Oh, wait. You're ruining everything. You're jumping ahead, Joey. Oh, my God.

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This is episode two of the podcast. Our second movie released May 19th, 1999, and starring Liam Neeson PERSON, E.M.N.E. McDermid PERSON, Jake Lloyd, Pernilla August, Ahmed Best PERSON, Frank Oz, Anthony Daniels PERSON,Kenny Baker PERSON, and Kira Knightley, is

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Star Wars Episode 1 WORK_OF_ART, The Phantom Menace.

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Yeah. You've heard of this one, right? Yeah, I've heard of

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Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. I think I'm well-versed.

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Not, well, no. Well-verses

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us. I think our guests tonight are going

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to be better, more well-versed than I am in

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Star Wars WORK_OF_ART, given who they are and so on and so forth. But we'll get to that later. We will get to

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that later. But our guests are indeed among the wellest versed when it comes to all things,

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Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. This is always a weird one for me because this movie and everything that was surrounding it and everything that's happened afterwards, it really does stand out among the 1999 canon as an anomaly. It really sort of like, it's Star Wars and everything else that happened around this movie that year really did happen around it. It's kind of like talking about the British invasion and like every band that isn't

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the Beatles. There's obviously a lot of good movies this year, and this is not my favorite movie that we will talk about. But I think that like maybe more so than any other movie, this is what makes that year bigger than most other years, just because it had been, what, like 16 years or whatever since the Star Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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So this wasn't just the highest grossing movie of that year. It had at the, what was then at the time, the largest one-day gross of all time at $28 million, at least seven of which were mine. Cool. Yeah.It opened just shy of $65 million for the weekend, which at the time was the second best ever. And it was the fastest movie to ever get to the $100 million gross mark. And that just took five days, which is pretty stunning, especially when you think of the difference in ticket prices in 1989 as opposed to today. They cost about half of what they did or what they do now.Do you still have your ticket stub for Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART? I saw a few of my ticket studs for Phantom Minus PRODUCT. I definitely have my opening day ones. I have at least one from Cinerama in Seattle where I saw it like four times, which was a really cool way to see it. But yeah, I definitely have my opening day stub.I could check what the actual price was, but I think it was $7. That sticks in my head for some reason. Although it might have been one of the movies that started pushing the ticket price up to like nine, but whatever.

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Well, just like today when they're like, we're going to charge more for the Batman PRODUCT because we can. You're going to go see it anyway.

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It's like, well, okay, I guess this is how we're going to do things now. Okay.

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I only go to the movies a few times a year now, but it's like $15.

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That's pretty much standard.

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Also, like, you know, for two, we're getting off topic.

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But for too fast, too forever, when we went to see Hobbs and Shaw PERSON, we posted tickets online,

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they were like, people, especially down because we have a lot of people like we bought followers on Facebook ORG.

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And a lot of them are people who like cars down like in Alabama GPE and stuff.

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They're like, how much is a movie ticket?

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We're like, it's just what it is, man.

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It's just, you know, it's 16 bucks for IMAX ORG or whatever.

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And like it's crazy.

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But that's what it is.

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Well, it remained number one for five weeks.

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It has since grossed over a billion dollars at the box office, which isn't bad for a movie that as legend has it.

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Everyone hated, I guess.

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That's sort of the memory that a lot of people have is that this was a universally hated movie. So it's weird that it would make that much. So, okay, that's worth talking about then. Did everybody really hate it? Well, currently on Rotten Tomatoes, it has a rating of just 51%.

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That's not bad.

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That's not terrible. It's not terrible.

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It's not good. No. Well, 51% I guess rotten because, right, if it's below 60, it's rotten.

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And weirdly, it's got the exact same score on Metacritic ORG, which almost never happens. So they're both 51% on both of those aggregators. And they use different metrics. So it's very rare that you would actually hit the same number. Anyway, among the lukewarm reviews, which were pretty much the majority of reviews were like not terrible, but not great. Kenneth Turin of the LA Times ORG said that while the new film is certainly serviceable, it's noticeably lacking in warmth and humor,and though its visual strengths are real and considerable, from a dramatic point of view, it's ponderous and plotting. I don't necessarily completely disagree with that. Like, if I'm going to, if I'm going to criticize the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, I think those are the terms I'd use.

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Like, I think that's where I'd kind of um aim my criticism i don't know i think with this is a very arbitrary metric but and i don't know that it really applies to stumbling like star was which is like of the epic nature or whatever but i think when you get over two hours it it's like, do we really need a movie to be over two hours? And if you look at this one, it's like 216, which is not crazy.

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You know, I just mentioned the Batman. That's like 250 or whatever, right? Like, it's insane.

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Yeah. But like, 216, it's like, do we really need, do we need any movie to be that long?

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I don't know. I think that's true. And especially because George Lucas PERSON in general isn't great at pacing.

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And maybe the combination of the length of the

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movie itself and just this sort of, you know, this thing that one of the several things that

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George Lucas PERSON just isn't very good at, he's very good at other things, right? Like I don't want to say that he's like a bad filmmaker. He's a great filmmaker. He just has some obvious handicaps, right? Like even ones that he will admit to. And I think maybe that's probably true. There's a few real maysayers. I think the one that I foundwho's most scathing is Slates David Edelstein PERSON, who's a really great critic, but he said, George Lucas PERSON does it his way in the pallid phantom menace. Even cultists will wish he'd hired a directorand some writers. Ooh. Well, and having said that, like one of the things that we forget is that this was George Lucas's third movie he ever directed in, in, you know, a career that went backto the mid-70s. So up until this point, he'd only directed American Graffiti, the original Star Wars WORK_OF_ART, and that's it.

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Yeah, but, like, those are two great movies, like, great movies. Like, American Graffiti WORK_OF_ART, like, no shade to Star Wars, but, like, American Graffiti is, like, argue, maybe the Star Wars, too, but, like, top 50 movie of all time, maybe. Like, it's incredible. It is a great movie.

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But if you watch, if you watch Empire of Dreams WORK_OF_ART, for instance, right, the, the documentary about the making of a new hope, you really understand that, again, like, the actual creation of a narrative film is not something that George Lucas PERSON excels at. I can see that. His then-wife is really responsible for editing the thing that we have now,down to size. So what is he good at? Is he, like, is it world-building? Like, what does he excel at? Or, like, just feel? That's a really, we'll talk about it in the episode. He's very, very good. I guess what we would now call world building, I think is a really fair way to say it.

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Like he just makes places that you kind of want to spend time in. Yes. And he's also very,

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the thing that gets overlooked about George Lucas PERSON is that he's also very good at connecting story to image. And so much of his success-

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Like visual storytelling? Or what do you mean by that?

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I mean, in terms of using what you're seeing as a means of conveying story and, you know, human emotion, as opposed to acting and writing, right? And I'm not saying that as a dig at all. I really do mean that that's true. You know, the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, if you watch the Phantom Menace, one of the things that's very clear about it is that his ability to frame a shot and tothe placement of camera, right, is really impeccable. I mean, it really is unlike anybody else. I just think he has a hard time distilling that into a storyline that is, you know, for public consumption. I misspoke when I said he'd only directed two other movies. Of course, he directed the third one, THX PRODUCT. And that's a really good example of what I'm talking about, right?I've never seen that. I just know it as a license player. checks. And that's a really good example of what I'm talking about, right? I've never seen that. I just know it as a license player. Visually, it's incredible. It's a really great work of science fiction. But it's kind of a narrative mess, right? And it's sort of, it's everything that George Lucas is really good at and everything that he's bad at kind of exposed there. Anyway, I wonder if Edelstein PERSON has softened on thisstance over time. Because, again, I'm not sure that he's necessarily wrong in anything that he says in that review, but his sort of final bird is a little bit harsh. Anyway, it wasn't all bad news. One of the things we forget is that a lot of major name critics gave the film either good to glowing reviews. Among them are Entertainment Weekly's Owen Lieberman, the New York Times Janet Maslin PERSON, and of course the Chicago Sun-Times Roger Ebert, who gave the film three and a half stars and said, perhaps presciently, quote,there's a sense of discovery in scene after scene of the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, as he tries out new effects and ideas and seamlessly integrates real characters and digital ones, real landscapes and imaginary places. We are standing at the threshold of a new age of epic cinema in which digital technique means that budgets will no longer limit the scope of scenes. Filmmakers will be able to show us just about anything they can imagine.It's like, yep, you got it right. You nailed it. That is exactly what Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART did and exactly what we are, where we kind of find ourselves, right, with the ability to craft worlds that were previously unthinkable. I mean, look at a movie like, you know, Endgame WORK_OF_ART, right? It's just like, it's just stunning how easy it is that we can sort of wait, you know, will these sort of imaginary places into existence now.Yeah. So I think they're all right. I agree with all of these critics. And we'll talk more about that in the episode. And either way, the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART should be understood, at least in part as having been the single most anticipated movie of all time. And I think that part of it really, really, really matters. There will neverbe a movie that is this anticipated. And I just, I don't, I can't even, I wouldn't even be able to

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describe how that would. You don't think like Endgame WORK_OF_ART was as, as, as, as anticipated as this?

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Because Endgame didn't take 17 years to come out, right?

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No, but it took, you know, in a sense, in a sense, it took 11 years to come out.

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Yes, that is true.

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But in the time between Return of the Jedi and Phantom Menace, there was not only not a new Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie,

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there was the sense that there might never be a new Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie, right? You don't ever think there's not going to be another Marvel ORG movie.

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And even if it took 17 years for the next Marvel ORG movie to come out, it still wouldn't have

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this level of anticipation.

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Well, I mean, are you at, we're recording this live from Camp Feige FAC where he's planning

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out the next 10 years of Marvel ORG movies, right? So we know that they're not going away.

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Yeah.

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And I think it is telling in a certain

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sense to bring it back to Star Wars WORK_OF_ART for a second that like Star Wars essentially was doing the same thing and then they're like, this isn't working. Like the people don't really want this. And they like fixed it or shifted it or are trying to fix it or something. Right. So. Yeah. We'll pick this up

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when we when we when we have our conversation with our guests today. But I don't think that can be overstated, the importance or the sort of the handicap that the phantom menace had in just the absolutely both unprecedented but also unrepeatable level of anticipation and expectation that came along with it. Some people have said that it would be impossible for the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART to not disappoint, no matter what it was, right? It would disappoint people. Like, there's just, there's just no version of it that wasn't going to let someone or a lot ofpeople down because of what you imagine a movie to be in the 17-year absence since, you know, your favorite three movies of all time have had a sequel. But anyway, we will come back to that point later on in our conversation today. Anyway, it's clear that a movie that made a cajillion dollars must have had something going for it beyond just the Star Wars WORK_OF_ART name. There's no way a movie makes this much money unless, you know, people find something about it they like or someone like me who goes back and sees it again and again and again because I loved it.And I've always loved it. And I love it differently now than I did then. And I, again, agree with the negative reviews as well as the positive ones. I acknowledge the flaws and I'm not blind to them. But I love this movie. And I'm very excited to talk about it today. So, Joey, who are today's

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guests? Our guest today are the host of Return of the Pod, a podcast about Star Wars WORK_OF_ART, Brian Silliman, Matt Romano, and Caitlin M. Bush PERSON. Except, unfortunately. Did you do it again?

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Yeah, I keep making people sick.

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Caitlin PERSON is under the weather,

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and we hope that she gets back over the weather sometime soon. We were hoping to have her on. It's not that we didn't invite her. We certainly did, and we wish her all the best. But Brian and Matt are indeed with us today, and we'll be talking all things, Star Wars, episode one,The Phantom Menace.

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So with that, we will take a break, and we will be right back. Matt Romano and Brian Sullivan, welcome to 29.

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You two are two of the three hosts of Return of the Pod, a podcast about Star Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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I think that's the full title, right?

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Yes, it is. Yeah. Colan, a podcast about Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. I think that's the full title, right? Yes, it is. Yeah. Colin PERSON, I checked. A podcast about Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. Why don't you guys tell us, because I don't actually know, how do you guys know each? Well, you have a third member who is not with us tonight, but how do you guys know each other?And how did you get your podcast started?

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Matt PERSON had me in for a meeting his office and hired me.

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Nice.

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Back in the day.

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Yeah, we all used to work. Well, some of us still work there.

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You saw him in a drugstore. He was looking at comics. Exactly. Look at that kid.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, but we worked at the sci-fi channel.

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And we did a podcast called Job of the Pod, a podcast about Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. And then unfortunately, that ended. And myself, Brian and Caitlin, went on our own for return of the pod, a podcast about Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. Very clever titling there. And yeah, now our show is better than ever. And we're here with you, lovely folks on this podcast.

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So you're just doing it for the love now. There's no corporate backing. There's no big man telling you how to feel about Attack of the Clones WORK_OF_ART.

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Stars, they're just like us, John PERSON.

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Exactly.

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But if there's anybody, any corporations that would like to sponsor the show and pay us to do it, we'll do it in an RPE.

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We will sell out so quickly.

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Wow.

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So I'm not just saying this because I've known Brian for years.

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But there's a lot of Star Wars WORK_OF_ART podcasts on the market.

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A lot of people do the Star Wars WORK_OF_ART podcast.

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Yours is the best.

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Oh, thank you.

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And why is yours the best? The Venmo ORG just cleared. Nice. Yeah, chiching. No, here's why I like

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your podcast. Because I like Brian. No. It is because I like Brian. It's nice to hear an old friend

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talking to my ear holes as I'm mowing the lawn or whatever. Well, the weird, I want to establish the weird backstory to this that we had Brian on Too Fast 2 Forever before I knew that you knew him for 20 years.

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Like, that's the weirdest.

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Like, we just met him.

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We met a stranger on the internet who was tweeting about Fast and Furious WORK_OF_ART.

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And then he's like, hey, my friend Brian, right?

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We met you through Chris PERSON, I think.

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Yeah, you might be through Chris Malika. And then John PERSON, and then John was like, oh, I know

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them. And I'm like, wait, hold on, what? So it's just weird that like, we met a stranger who was

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like tweeting about Brian. I don't, I don't know, man. Not this Brian. Brian O'Connor, Paul Walker PERSON.

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Yeah, yeah. Who John on our most recent episode of TufS ORG said he is a vanilla charm. So, you know,

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it's just a weird, like, I didn't, I backed my way into a 20-year friendship

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accidentally.

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So, bizarre, man.

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I remember, I ran into you years ago.

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I don't even remember in a coffee shop.

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And I had a different Star Wars WORK_OF_ART podcast on.

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And that was back when I was dabbling around listening to some of them here and there.

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And, and I was like, someday I'd like to do, I'd love to do it.

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But I don't know what it would be or whatever.

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And you were like, yeah, it would be great because like there's some things we liked about some of them, some things we didn't like about others. But I know Matt PERSON and I, I don't know if this speaks to why it's, whether it's the best whatever, that's absolutely subjective. But I know one thing that Matt and I from our very first meeting about the old show and about this one.And Caitlin PERSON agrees completely is

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Positivity first. Yeah, it's celebrate thumbs up. Yeah, it's it's it's yes, even when there are problems, whatever celebrate the the problems even when it's like something we might not quite like don't say it's bad. We say it's not for me. You know, it's going to be for somebody. If this is

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entertainment, if we're not enjoying these things, if we're not enjoying this, then we can turn it off. It's if you're taking such displeasure from this thing where you need to go on these four hour rants and then start sending hate mail and then making death threat videos and everything.

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Documentaries. Do evaluate your life choices.

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And we just wanted to get out of that.

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No drama with other podcasts or other stuff like this. Celebrate this thing that we all have a lot of fun with. And if you're not having fun, don't watch it because there's other, there's enough crap going on. So that was my only thing going in the middle.

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And Matt PERSON, that was exactly. You were right there with it, thankfully. Oh, yeah. We were on the same page with that completely. And so is Caitlin PERSON. So there will be things that we were not faking it when we'll always find things to like.

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Even, you know, it's just that it exists.

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But in this, it's the cycle, right?

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It's, it's, you can't wait. What gets old is we can't wait,

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oh, we can't wait for Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART. We can't wait for Phantom Menace. Phantom Menace comes out and everyone's just outraged and it slams or whatever. And then years later, oh, we can't wait for

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Force Awakens WORK_OF_ART. Can't wait for Force Awakens. And then it comes out and everyone's like, after a nice

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little grace period, oh, it sucks. And then, you know, oh, we can't wait for the Kenobe ORG trailer. Oh, when is it going to drop? When is it going to drop? It drops and like,

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ah, it looks sad. It's stupid. We don't like the way the Grand Inquisitor's head is.

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Oh, right. Absolutely. It's this nonstop cycle. It's Benicio del Toro is in the corner telling me,

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it's like, blow them up today, blow them up tomorrow. That gets that gets absolutely exhausting and so just on I have made a concerted effort to

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unplug from that because I literally cannot stand it anymore. I do have a genuine question about that

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though because I am oh I think of the four of just based on the fact that I know John PERSON is literally wearing a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART hoodie right now and you guys have a podcast about Star Wars like I am by far far and away the most baby Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fan. And I like it. I want to like it more than I do. I just,I'm at the wrong age and I didn't grow up with it. And like, I like it. I like, it's not my thing. And I don't say that condescending.And just like I have other like fast and furious, whatever. That's dumb. I, whatever. That's my thing.

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Anyway. So you guys,

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you wait years and years and years. It's been, you know, 15, 16 years since Return of the Jedi WORK_OF_ART. There's this whole thing where people buy tickets to go see a movie to watch the trailer for this. Like, it's this whole thing.You get down, you sit down there opening night, opening weekend, whatever.

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And they slept through it and then watch the trailer again.

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And the almost the first words that you see on screen are the taxation of trade routes.

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Like what goes through your mind?

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Like, and I know this is like a point of contention that people like, you know, poke fun or, you know, make fun at this movie about. But like genuinely when you're like, okay, Star Wars WORK_OF_ART, here we go, lightsabers. We got Yoda PERSON. We got the origin.Like this is where Darth Vader began. And the first words you see on screen are the taxation of trade routes. Like, are you worried? Are you cool with that? Like what's going through your mind in the theater in 19? Because I'm assuming everybody, except for me, saw this in theaters in 1999. Is that right? Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah. I cut Jim PERSON. What's going through your mind?

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You cut Jim? I cut Jim to see Phantom Menace in 1999. Yet, yet he made it to the Olympics EVENT. And yet here you are. Yeah, you graduated and everything. That's amazing. Without gym.

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Well, you know, the funny part about it is, you know, like, you know,

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you mentioned growing up at Star Wars WORK_OF_ART and like every generation grew up with their

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flavor of Star Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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So obviously, I imagine.

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No, go ahead.

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Sorry.

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Exactly.

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No, exactly.

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You used to the pot.

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And I watched the first trailer.

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I know where he gets it from a lot of times. Yeah, it is. But I, you know, obviously being children of like the first trailer. And they know where he gets it from a lot of times.

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Yeah, it is.

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But obviously being children of like the original trilogy,

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and I remember watching the prequels.

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And I remember just being, listen, honestly,

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it took me years to appreciate how good they are.

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Because I think in the grand scheme of things

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and seeing how the trilogy played out,

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then seeing the Clone Wars WORK_OF_ART cartoon

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and all the ancillary material that came after that.

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Like, there's a lot more to appreciate in the prequels than there was at the time seeing it for the very first time.

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So I do remember being a little like taxation trade routes.

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Like this is, it was a little bonkers.

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But looking back now.

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Are those really the stakes?

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Exactly.

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But looking back now, it's very Star Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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Star Wars WORK_OF_ART is so much of the, so many of the best Star Wars stories is about bureaucracy and just like, you know, casual government.

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But yeah, I mean, looking back, it was pretty ridiculous at the time, but that it's come such a long way with all the other storytelling that they've done around it.

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And it's followed up directly with the Nemoids PERSON who weren't an instant hit with audiences.

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And it's like you're instantly like we're we're in for a not what we were expecting.

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Yes.

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Well, and a little like rinky dinky ship coming towards the camera as opposed to a massive, you know,

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Star Destroyer PRODUCT going away from it at close range.

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And like, I mean, you know, there's a lot of, we can talk about the ring theory and all that stuff, which I will.

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And it's awesome.

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Oh, I think John explained this to me on the way to a Red Sox game a few years ago when I forget 100%.

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John just talked Star Wars at me for 45 minutes while driving through like outside of Boston GPE traffic.

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It's like, John PERSON, there's no microphone in this car.

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That's probably true.

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No, but it is part of that like, it is literally the opposite of the way that the, that a new

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hope starts and the way that you expect a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie to start.

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And I think there's something sort of subversive about that, right?

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That it's almost like that Lucas PERSON was like, this is a different movie.

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Matt PERSON, you hit, you hit on it a little bit where that ship coming in is, is, you know, in hindsight, at the time, it was weird. The first time was weird. And so it's like, you go and see it the second time. So it's like to let it set.

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And it's like, okay, that's. And then the third time because, okay, this is different, but we're still having a blast. It's like, and that ship now is one of my favorite designs. Me too. I love the design of that ship. I one of my favorite designs. Me too. I love the design of that ship.

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I love that ship. Because we've since seen it in Clone Wars WORK_OF_ART all the time.

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It's like now with seven seasons of Clone Wars WORK_OF_ART and all of this prequel renaissance that's happened now that, I mean, John, you and I at least, and I think Matt PERSON was there for a little of it.

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Remember, there's Return of the Jedi, and then there was the Dark Times where we had heir to the Empire, West End Games WORK_OF_ART, and that was it. So part of him was like, this is a new movie.

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This is, I don't really care what this is. We have a new movie and there's two more well on the

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way. And so it was like, be grateful for what we're getting. And it was, but if anyone thought the Ewox PRODUCT were,

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we're a little too kid friendly, it's, uh, you know,

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hold my Spotchka PRODUCT.

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I have a question. I have a very quick question. And I could have looked up, but I wanted to ask you guys. Because the, I remember the prequels being announced as a trilogy when, and I think, I think the original one, I don't think any of you were alive when the first one came out,but was, did a new hope come out as the start of a trilogy? Or was that a

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standalone movie that then got, so it was just one. Which is why it's a closed story, right? Why

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it could have been the only movie and it would have been a satisfying hero. So this is the first time in Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. It's like, this is not the only thing you're getting. This is building toward, especially like as a prequel, but it's building towards something. But it's also like there's three parts leading up to a thing. So this is like a whole new way

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to watch these movies for the first time and ever. It's true because even with Empire Strikes

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back, leaving it open ended, that was, that was still a gamble. I mean, there was a whole backdoor thing. That's how Splinter of the Mind's Eye WORK_OF_ART exists is because here's our cheap way of doing a

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sequel in case this movie bombs. And up until pretty much the John Williams PERSON score was added and it was re-edited, everyone thought it was going to.

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And so he, at that point, that was also when he was going to do 12.

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He was going to do 12 these things and pretty much burnt out by the third one.

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But yeah, you're right. This is like this is going to be a trilogy no matter what. We're making three movies.

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And I think it's the only, I think it might be the first ever to do that. I can't think of another example that something was planned as a three

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part trilogy. Only Lord of the Rings comes to mind. But that was later. Yeah. Oh, before this,

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yeah. No, I can't, I can't, yeah. I remember, I mean, it's different. It's also F this, but I remember

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before I knew who Tarantino PERSON was, I was in theaters and I'm like, who's this guy thinking Kill Bill

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Volume 1? Like, who has the ball to do a part one?

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And that's not the same.

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But it's also just like, you know, I mean, not the Tarantino PERSON movie is going to flop after everything he had put out before. But still, like to say like this is the part one of two, no matter how the first one does, there's going to be a part two or at least this is going to be an unfinished story. So there's still like, there's something to that, I think.

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It's a sure bet these days the Netflix is. I'll tell you that. Right. It's like, oh, we planned eight seasons. It's like

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canceled after one. Yeah. Matt, I know the period between Return of Jedi and Phantom Edis WORK_OF_ART was not

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dark for you because your favorite character, Dash Randar PERSON had a lot of, had a lot of,

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damn right. Thank you for me. That's right. I don't think I've never even heard that name before.

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Don't worry, Matt, how old were you when Phantom Minutes WORK_OF_ART came out? Oh, geez.

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15, 16 years old? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what was your, you cut gym class to go see it. So did you see it like on the Friday it opened and you or yeah. I remember I saw it like,

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I think it was like a two o'clock show on a Friday or something, you know, but like left school,

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saw a phantom menace immediately saw it again that same weekend. I think I saw each of the prequels

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three times in theaters. But, but you mentioned dash rendar and like shadows of the empire and

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yeah, let's talk about Dash Rendar.

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He's talking about Dash Rendar.

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But Brian talks about all these like, you know, the dark times between Return

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of the Jedi and Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART.

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There was just so much Star Wars, but it just wasn't really like mainstream

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outside of the video games.

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Yeah.

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And Dash Rendar might have been like the most mainstream Star Wars thing between Jedi PRODUCT and Phantom

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Menace.

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What is he from?

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What is that?

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It's this thing called they did called Shadows of the Empire WORK_OF_ART.

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And it was sandwiched between Empire and Jedi PRODUCT.

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And it was, here's the story of what happens there.

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And some things in there have now found their way into modern stories like the Palline and Zizor PERSON got a comic reference and stuff.

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But it was a book, which is how I know it. It was a video game for N64, which is how Matt PERSON knows it.

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Graphic novel. It was a graphic novel. It was a soundtrack. It was everything but a movie. That's a very good score, by the way. It's a really good Star Wars WORK_OF_ART soundtrack.I love it. I wish I still had a copy of it. But it was, and we loved it because that's what we had.

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That's what we got.

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There's this

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disgusting seduction scene of this reptile named Vizor pheromones and Princess Leia PERSON. And she's

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like, oh, he's gorgeous. I should take off. I wish I didn't wear a body suit under this. And it's so

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disgusting. But I was like, I was like, hmm, this is interesting at the time. And looking back,

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it's fascinating. And we took it. And there was a gradual renaissance with the, you know, the Super Star Wars games for Super Nintendo.

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They relaunched the figure line, building up to the special editions because they knew they gradually eased us in to get ready.

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Yeah, well, the special edition re-releases then also, I mean, just like that urban legend

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that like Lucas had written, you know, parts, you know, one through three, you know,

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and that there were always these like three untold stories that we haven't heard.

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And like, and then in building your own head cannon over the years just by the mention

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of Clone Wars in a new hope, compounded on all this other Star Wars WORK_OF_ART stuff. I mean, like, I don't think anybody knew what the prequels were going to be. No.

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And there were some things like we knew at some point, Anakin versus Obi-1 and Lava PERSON.

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If anyone is saying, it's like, oh, I called Boss Ness back in, you know, 85.

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Exactly, exactly.

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No, no they did.

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That's the thing. I think that was part of the, I think it was detrimental to the movie that there were so many years of head cannon.

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Yeah, I, for sure. And the same thing happened with the, with the sequel trilogy, I think, even like that.

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With every, and every series.

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It's, it's going to be a persistent problem with Star Wars WORK_OF_ART until it finally ends. It's, it's going to be people's head canons. They've accepted their wishes and they want it to be their own personal way. So when it deviates from that, if it gets a little silly or if it gets to, it's some people deal with it well. It's like, well, it's not

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your story to tell. So except what your, this is the story. This is how the creators want it to go. And now that it's not Lucas PERSON, people have a new it's like, oh, raging at Disney ORG. And I'm like, Disney ORG just cares about the dollars. It's like, it's, you know, but I remember the day, the time isall of a sudden Lucas PERSON is this untouchable hero. It's like, that's remember back in 99, he was getting, as you already touched on, John PERSON, he was getting blasted. He was having documentaries made about him like a fictitious court case.Like he was getting roasted everywhere to the point where he sold it off and said goodbye.

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So that is, and now all of a sudden he's this, he's this high, you know, Mozart PERSON like figure.

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And I'm like, where did this come from?

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It's because the kids that this was for, we talk about this all the time.

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Phantom Manus PRODUCT especially is at its heart for kids. Yeah. And kids loved it. And the kids that

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have grown up with it, they had now have nostalgia for it. So Mandalorian PRODUCT dropped some

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Phantom Menace's images in it. And they're like, oh, the nostalgia. I'm like, for what? 99? And they're

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like, yeah. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm old.

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Well, that's the same time. Like, it's been longer since Phantom Menace came out than between New Hope WORK_OF_ART and

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Phantom Menace. So, you know. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I want to reset for a second. So I think

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Matt said earlier that he saw this three times in theaters. And it had that John PERSON told me a ridiculous

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number before what John PERSON says his number. Because I text my because I text to my family, and our family text,

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I'm just like, did we see this in theaters and no one can remember?

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So if we did, it did not make an impact.

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Because I was 11 for 1999.

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So you went to Wild Wild West WORK_OF_ART instead?

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If I saw any movie that were doing this podcast in theaters that year, it would have been

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this movie.

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Because there's no other, there's literally no other movie.

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I looked through the list that I would have seen in theaters.

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I just, I didn't, I just didn't see movies in theaters.

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Matt said three times.

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Brian, how many times did you see this in theaters?

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I believe it was three for me as well.

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Oh, so John PERSON's number is the actual outlier.

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I'm pretty sure I know what John PERSON's number is. I remember he told me.

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I was like, wow. Because I said earlier, you know, I saw this more than any of the Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie. And

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John PERSON's like, I think that's true of me too. I'm like, yeah, but I think your number is probably higher than my three or four. And this is, this is not like at home on video and through the years.

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No, how many times? This is in the theater. I want to put in context that there is a guy in Florida. Yeah, 13 times. There's a guy in Florida who just saw Spider-Man 292 times in theater. So it's not that.

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That's too many.

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Oh, that's too many.

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Yeah.

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That is too many Spider-Man.

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13 is a lot.

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So how many times have you seen it since theaters?

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Do you think?

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I don't know.

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People would ask, like, how many times have you seen a New Hope or Phantom

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Menace or whatever?

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I've probably seen those two more than any other.

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And I would have know, I don't even know how to begin putting a number on it right i i could say i've seen a new hope 50 times and i may be way underselling it or way over i just i have no idea um i would guess phantom menace i saw it 13 times in the theater i've probably seen it have you seen it more than 13 times at home, do you think?

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15 times since then, maybe 12, 12 and 15. I don't really know. I watch it with my kids a couple times. Yeah, so I don't, I don't know.

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Do your kids have a favorite Star Wars WORK_OF_ART?

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And I know that we're sort of deviating from this, but I do want to know what Teddy's favorite Star Wars WORK_OF_ART is.

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Yeah, and I think it makes sense because I think, like, this gets back to something Brian was saying, and I may have written some essays about this in 1989. I don't know. But the idea that, you know, the general, like Star Wars WORK_OF_ART is always going to, like the newest Star Wars is always going to appeal to the youngest generation and they're always going to like latch onto that as their source story. And they can go back and they can go forward and whatever else, but that's always going to connect with them the most.And so, yeah, I mean, Teddy loves Ray PERSON and she loves, like, the sequel, the sequel trilogy is like where she, it's like a frame of reference. And the girls love Mandalorian PRODUCT as well. They love Grogu PRODUCT. That's kind of their thing.But, yeah, they've seen all of them.

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It's interesting at the same point, John PERSON.

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And I think of you when I, well, because I'm looking at your little video box right now, that's what I'm thinking of you.

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But in that as much of it's for kids. And I think that there is, you know, it's still myth. And I think there are things in here that even though I never saw it as a kid, that kids aren't going to latch on to like everything.

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Whenever they talk about the difference between the living and the cosmic force, which has since become a huge thing in Star Wars WORK_OF_ART. That all began here.

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The hubris of the Jedi and everything. Say what you want about Lucas PERSON's dialogue and some of the acting choices and whatever else. But I still maintain the overall, his overall story of the three movies and how the Republic ORG becomes everything it was supposed to be, it was not to be, and how that happened is brilliant. Yeah, I agree.

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Yeah.

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Dare I say it's the most cohesive of all Star Wars WORK_OF_ART trilogies? What, the prequels?

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The prequels in terms of like, like, you're telling like a story, like, because you mentioned before that a new hope is really an open and ended film.

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Right.

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You can end it right after a new home.

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Oh, yeah.

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Menace.

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Like, it's the only Star Wars trilogy that really relies on all three movies to tell the full story.

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I think that's right. Is it the, it's the only trilogy that was all directed by the same person, right?

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So like that's also fair say. Yeah, that's a really good point.

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It's a good point. And like I, I don't want to bring it's a good point and like i i don't want to bring this back to fast and furious i don't want this to be like a four hour podcast but i do we are recording this on the day that justin just stepped down from fast 10 and there's something that like he came back for nine 10 11 there's gonna be like this trilogy to close out and there's something

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about one man i know it's also like vines or whatever like but like there's something to like one person be like these are my movies i have this vision for this three thing, whatever. And like what they could have or maybe should have done with JJ PERSON for the new ones, right? Like they didn't and they brought them back or whatever. And like, that's just a mess.

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But whether you love or hate them, I think the fact that there's one guiding force behind a complete set of stories.

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Oh, it's a bigger fish. It's important.

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It's a big of fish.

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I think it's, I mean, you can tell, I think, a little more with the original trilogy as much as I love them.

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And there's no beating it.

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But there's, you know, there's the brother, Luke and Lear kissing in one movie and she's the sister and then next.

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That's not planned.

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There's nothing like that in the sequel trilogy. I think

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the sequel trilogy gets so much unnecessary shit. And it's either, it's either too much the same.

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We want different. And then they gave them different. It's like two different. It's like,

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well, which one is it, Goldilocks PERSON? It's like fucking shoes because it's driving me up a wall.

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And my favorite of those is um and matt

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and i go at this all the time about this is is last jed i that's my favorite star wars EVENT movie that's

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my favorite star was anything taught me things about star wars EVENT i didn't know that were there the

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whole time and i was like and i love see if it has if it says star wars on it though i am i am easy

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you know this matt for sure knows this. I am the easiest

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mark there is. Yeah, me too. So it's like, and if I'm not, it's like some, not every episode of

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resistance is for me. So I'm like, that wasn't my favorite. I'm sure it's somebody's. Every one of

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these is somebody's favorite. I remember back in the day that you couldn't, the amount of worst of list,

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Attack of the Clones WORK_OF_ART was on was absurd.

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And now it's like the anniversary and all of a sudden,

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oh,

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it's my favorite is the best.

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I was like,

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where was this love back in the day?

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So I want to like on Attack of the Clones WORK_OF_ART,

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and we're going to get back to Phantom Medicine in a second because,

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but I do want to,

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the point that you made before, Brian that I think is a really kind of illuminating one, which is, yeah, I mean, I think that Attack of the Clones is the, the prequel movie that I would rank lowest of the three of them if I had to. But it's also the one I enjoyed watching at the time the most.

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And I'll say this, the stuff that's like, the stuff that's not in the movie, the stuff, the storylines that are alluded to in the movie, if you watch closely and you figure out like who Seifodias was and like what actually happened with Duku PERSON and you start piecing it all together. And it's this really fun mystery that you would just miss if you didn't really care.

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But then also like that this, that this movie spawned Dave Filoni's PERSON like entire universe.

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It really is attack of the Clones that that's all

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grounded in. And if it's a terrible movie, that would never happen, right? Like, terrible movies do not spawn that kind of creative output and yeah, there's always something good.

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Attack of the Clones WORK_OF_ART is a different movie if you're watching all of the Clone Wars EVENT. Yeah. It just is. And not saying

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you have to watch all of the clone wars to really get attack of the clone that's not what i'm saying it's for me as somebody who

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loves the clone wars so much and then going back attack the clones is different it now in light of um it's also as technology has gotten better in different editions you know matt and i joke all the time

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how many copies of these movies we actually have. Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART is interesting because

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I think it was the last one that you could get on VHS and I did. And then DVD and then I did another

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DVD and then Blu-ray and then another Blu-ray and now 4K and then 4K streaming. It's like how I think

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that might be the one I have more of or actually. If you own the VHS you get the you get the creepy

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Yoda PERSON, you know, before they replace the right. Yeah, that's the same. Well, if you own the VHS, you get the, you get the creepy Yoda,

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you know,

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before they replaced the right. Yeah, that's the same. Well, if you have the original DVD, you get that.

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Weird puppet Yoda PERSON and the DVD,

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which has one of the, one of the before Lord of the Rings WORK_OF_ART came around saying it's like, well, here's how you do special features. Yeah. That phantom menace DVD has some of the best special features ever with the deleted

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scenes that they finished the effects for and then that documentary.

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There was a very fancy commercial for that DVD.

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So, yeah, they took that DVD very, very seriously.

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That was back at the beginning of DVD.

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I was waiting for it.

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I was like, when is this going to come out?

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This was back in the beginning of like, I feel like everything. This was such an event. There was like, there was like Star Wars Pepsi.

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Oh, yes.

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Oh, I still have all the cans. Oh, they still have all the Vintamin, they still have all the Pantamins PRODUCT. I remember many a, many a morning. I was so tired. I'm like, I'm just going to get a queen on a dollar Pepsi. Yeah.

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Like, and you're rioil,

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Poof is on the side of this Pepsi.

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Subboba PRODUCT.

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Yes.

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Subalba Mountain Dew PRODUCT.

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Go to jatapuya.

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But there was so much about this movie out when you knew nothing about it.

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Like I had the poster like with Anakin, Little Anakin in the shadows, Darth Vader.

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I had the sound like.

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Let's talk about that.

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Let's talk about that for a sec.

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Yeah.

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I remember, John PERSON, you and I talked about that poster and it being just legendary at the time.

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Yeah.

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It was one of the, I mean, the Anakin with the Vader Shadow posters, one of the great movie posters of all time.

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Yep, yeah.

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This movie, though, I have to say, like, one of the things about Phantom Manos WORK_OF_ART that we don't talk enough about,

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I think it's pretty clearly the most visually beautiful Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie.

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And there's so many, like, so many of the posters from that movie were literally just,

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like, stills from the movie because they were so gorgeous.

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Like, the one of Ami Dahl PERSON, like like looking out the palace window as the, as the Federation

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Starships arrive and all that sort of thing.

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I, every time I watch this now, like the one thing about Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART that makes me,

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like, I almost gripe then about two and three is that Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART is just so aesthetically

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cinematographically.

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Did I say that right?

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I think it did.

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It's just so amazing.

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It's even now, I mean, like, if movies look like that now, I'd be really, really impressed.

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It is an absolutely stunning visual movie.

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And I don't think that gets talked about enough.

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Well, I think you're right because there's so many more miniatures than you think.

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The prequels get blessed a lot and saying it's all CGI.

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Well, there is a lot of CGI.

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But there's still, especially with feed and with a lot of the ships and with the Bonte Eve Arena FAC,

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those were all miniatures.

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And I don't think the other episodes two and three followed that suit.

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They ended up leading more on CGI.

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But also, you were having, for the first time,

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it wasn't the lived-in griminess of the OT because we were so earlier.

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Right.

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These graceful sleek lines of the Nabu PERSON star ships and the shiny royal ship.

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It was off-putting a little bit when that ship came out.

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I'm like, what is this?

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And now when Mando PERSON gets one, we're like, fuck yeah.

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Yeah.

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And now we're like, three years later.

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I'm like, yeah, it's fit to minister.

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It's like, we were talking, Matt PERSON and I were talking about this.

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It's like, it's really nice to see that beauty again. But it's like, it took me, it took us a while to get used to it. But now that, like a beat up version of it, which is great. Yeah. Yeah. But now that we've been but it's like, it took me, it took us a while to get used to it. But now that,

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like a beat up version of it, which is great. Yeah. But now that we've been with it for so long,

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you can't imagine Star Wars WORK_OF_ART without it. It's as Star Wars as, say, some of the very original

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Macquarie PERSON paintings. Yeah. And I think you're right. It is just so beautiful to look at. And it's a

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little, depending on what resolution you're watching it in,

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it has a graininess and a contrast to it that two and three doesn't have. And that's not to say

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the two and three are an amazing. Don't look amazing. Right. They do. It's just, it's a very different

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kind of a. Yeah. But then on the other side of it, you have, they're doing all this with miniatures,

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but then it's in that documentary

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at the beginning where they're saying this big battle at the end with the Gungans NORP and the droids,

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I think it's John Knoll PERSON, who's obviously still around. I remember he says, we don't have a really good way of doing that right now. And they found out, and that was the first time that was done, and it was a little weird. You're watching computer animated fighting computer, and it's gotten refined and better over the years but it was never done before so the leaps and bounds

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and say which again say what you want about jar jar PRODUCT and people do but that was the proof of concept

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like there would be no gollum or kong or caesar without that well right and the same thing i mean

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when i hear people complaining about like tar, Tarkin and Rogue One WORK_OF_ART, and it's like, Star Wars WORK_OF_ART has always been an experimental ground for pushing visual effects. Yep. That we've gotten to, like, Luke in Boba Fett in such a short period of time. And people are like, oh, I can't believe that just using Star Wars WORK_OF_ART as a means of testing. That's what it is, like, from a new hope.

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That's what it's always been. Like, this is part of its legacy is that it takes risks. It does things that other studios won't allow that other creators won't be able to do because they have that cachet that they can sort of get away with things and thenbenefit other people. Like you're not going to get to Jurassic Park WORK_OF_ART, right? Without like the Star Wars, you know, without ILM ORG and pushing the boundaries of what you

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can do with special effects. It's true.

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It's like there's Star Wars and Lucas PERSON and now the torch being passed. It's like those guys are continually doing what you just said. I think Peter Jackson PERSON has added to that.

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It's like tried the 48 frames.

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Didn't really work, but it was important to try.

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I liked it.

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And then Cameron, every 10 years, when he's done deep sea diving for God knows what,

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pops up.

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It's like, here's this new thing.

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I don't know.

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It's more blue people and this time it's going to be beamed into your brain.

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You'll watch it.

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It's 10 years.

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I make something every 10 years.

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I make Terminator 2 WORK_OF_ART.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You're going to watch it because it was 10 years ago that you watched my last thing.

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So shut up and watch.

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And that's really it. Those are the guys that have that cachet you're talking about.

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Right, right. And I do also think that another sort of, I want to talk to Joey for a second because he hasn't said anything in a while. And I want to ask him, because he doesn't know anything about Star Wars.I don't think it would be interesting to ask him what he thinks about.

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I don't know anything about Star Wars.

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But I also, one other thing, and I think Brian, you've talked about this before, and I think this is a really, really important point about what's great about the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, which is that one of the things, when you look at the aesthetic of the Nabu Starfighters PRODUCT, and if you look at the kind of the beauty and the way that Corrassant PRODUCT functions and just sort of like the glitz of it,that a lot of people were turned off by because they associate Star Wars WORK_OF_ART with that sort of broke down used universe thing that they, sci-fi, right, that they like. But to me, I think what's so crucial about that is in order for the story to work, you have to have a sense of the world that was lost. And you have to think of that world as having flourished and been beautiful.And you can see it corroding in those movies, but you can also see why it's sad that the empire took over and got rid of art and got rid of culture. And I think of like a show like Caprica PRODUCT, which didn't work because it didn't do that, right? Because it was like, I wanted to nuke it. It was so sad and boring and dumb. And I'm like,

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I understand the Cylons PERSON now. I'm like, I again, I liked it. I liked it too, but that's where they missed it as a percent yeah I agree at that

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thousand percent and Star Wars got that right very dumb question is Caprica PRODUCT is not a star

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war's property that's a separate thing altogether or is that a Star Wars thing's a battle star galactic

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oh my god Joey sorry sorry Caprica PRODUCT was this close I mean that's a whole other podcast but Caprica

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was this close to being so good if they just got it it was that good I I like really good at the

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end I liked it I liked it too.

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But it was like the world was a bummer. And I wanted

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to feel more connected to what was

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lost when the Sylons NORP destroyed it. Right?

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Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think it missed

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the mark. It's interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting point.

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Yeah, it's a good point. Joey. Yeah. Do you

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like the Phantom Miss PRODUCT? I don't not like point. Yeah, it's a good point. Joey. Yeah. Do you like the Phantom Miss?

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I don't not like it.

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Yeah.

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I want to thank Brian publicly that like maybe two years ago now, I'm like, Brian,

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you're one of the biggest Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fans I know.

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If I was going to watch all of this in order, like, what's a good order to watch it?

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And he like took some time and he gave me a list.

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And I watched this and I watched Attack of the Clones WORK_OF_ART and then I just stopped watching

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thing.

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And it wasn't because of like I didn't like it, but I just like got to start to by other things.

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But I have this whole like, all right, watch this part of the TV show.

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And then if you want, hold off on these things.

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I do these later.

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And I was just like, this.

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It's beautiful list.

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I still have it saved.

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And I did nothing.

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I did none of it.

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And I don't think that I like Attack of the Clones WORK_OF_ART.

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But I don't.

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I went into watching this one last year, not for the podcast, completely unrelated to the podcast, thinking it wasn't going to like it because this has a reputation, right?

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And I was like, actually, I'm kind of pleasantly surprised.

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I think it's actually pretty okay.

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Like, I don't, it's not my favorite Star Wars WORK_OF_ART thing, but I don't dislike it.

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And I can't say the same thing really about attack of the clones, but I also want to give

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another shot, especially once I have the knowledge of clone wars, whatever.

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I like parts of this.

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I think Natalie Portman PERSON's a captivating actor, even though she's not given a, you know, she's

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still figuring out her acting thing here.

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I like parts. I just, you know, it's not exactly my favorite thing, but I like the movie. You know, it's of the four that we've done episodes about so far for the podcast. I think it's my least favorite of the four. But we've also talked about three other really, really good movies. So it's not really an indication of the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART that like, oh my God,I like the Matrix and Eyes Wide Shut and Blair Witch WORK_OF_ART more than this movie. It's like, yeah, those are three really, really good movies, right?

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So, you know.

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I mean, I can feel Matt PERSON's seething at me because.

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Well, no, because I think I said it's like,

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now there are two, where do you start, right? There are two big ways. You either start with Phantom Menace and go timeline-wise or release order with New Hope WORK_OF_ART.

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Or then you could do a machete order, blah, blah, blah. It's like, cut Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART. Don't watch that at all. Yeah, F you. Watch them all. It's like watch every single one, don't, you know. But in a way, I think New Hope would have been a better first view for you. I think it's like for a brand someone brand new to Star Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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So I have the foundation. I've seen the new ones in theaters. Because I was just looking to because like basically outside of the nine main movies and Rogue One and Solo PRODUCT, I've seen virtually nothing.

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And so I was trying to have the content.

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I mean, I've seen the new Disney Plus ORG stuff.

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But like I watched the new Disney ORG plus stuff.

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I was saying to John a couple days ago, I watched that because everyone else watches it. Like I'm not like, ooh, new Mandalorian PRODUCT or whatever. I'm just like, that's like part of the cultural conversation. So I watch it for that. And I enjoy that. I did not like Boba Fett. I liked the Boba Fett episodes that were basically Mando episodes. I didn't like, that's like part of the cultural conversation. So I watched it for that. I enjoy that. I did not like Boba Fett.I liked the Boba Fett episodes that were basically Mando PERSON episodes. I didn't like the rest of Boba Fett. I don't think it was bad. It just, it wasn't really for me. And so I watched those. I went to see the new Star Wars films the night they open because like I know thateverybody else is doing that thing. Right. So, you know, I still see the things. It's just, yeah.

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No, it's something Matt PERSON and I discuss a lot. It's, I know personally, if I'm going to sit down and I'm going to do a marathon of all the Star Wars movies, I personally like to go from Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART chronologically all the way through.

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Yeah.

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Incerning Rogue One and Solo PRODUCT where they go.

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And soon Obi-Wan Kenobi PERSON.

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But if you're watching for the very first time.

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First time, there's something be said for New Hope Empire WORK_OF_ART.

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Yeah.

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And then the prequels and then return of the Jedi.

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And then, you know, when do you do Rogue One WORK_OF_ART if you're going to...

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That's absolutely insane.

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No, having said that, like, anecdotally, I've now heard a lot of people who,

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like, Mandalorian PRODUCT has been their entry point.

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And they've gone back and, like,

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become giant Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fan.

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They like, oh, we love Yoda PERSON baby.

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So we want it like, well, what would he be like if he was old?

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The actual Yoda PERSON.

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It's more of a, yeah, it's like, I want to see old Yoda PERSON.

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Oh, so you mean Yoda PERSON?

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And actual Yoda PERSON, because it's a different character.

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The lights are they called different colors?

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Yeah, why do they call them baby Yoda PERSON?

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Nobody does. That's not the actual name.

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But it's definitely more of a gateway thing than say, I don't know anybody who's like,

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I started watching the Star Wars movies because of Bad Batch WORK_OF_ART.

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Yeah.

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Very small micro generation.

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There's got to be someone.

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Because I still don't really know who Bad B batch is for other than me and like three of,

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but like there's,

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but if you're already like 15 episodes dedicated to bad bats.

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Believe me.

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I know.

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When they bond Camino,

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I'm like in tears.

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Yeah.

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That's the thing when we're talking about all those years ago,

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seeing Camino for the first time.

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And now we're like,

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this is weird.

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This is in Star Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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And now we're seeing it bombed. We're like, we're having these feelings. But that's like,

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I think Mandalorian's kind of for everyone. Bad Batch WORK_OF_ART is for fans. Like, if you just put that on.

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I saw a Bad Batch WORK_OF_ART. I don't know if I did. I watched that anime one that I kind of like,

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oh, vision. Oh, well, we can do another whole episode about that.

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Yeah. Joey, I put even money that you have not seen Bad Bad Bad Bad WORK_OF_ART. I doubt it was on my list.

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And I think like, when it came out, people were just like, you don't need to see this,

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unless you're like really into it.

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You got to watch all of Clone Wars than all of Rebels WORK_OF_ART.

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Yes.

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Oh, that's why I didn't.

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You do.

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I was like, I want to do the, I want to do the free rack. I wanted to do my home or forest with Bad Batch WORK_OF_ART. That's right.

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And the people are like, you don't actually have to see it. I'm like, well, I think I see it.

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It really is the next season of Clone Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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I mean, like it's all of Clone Wars, all of Bad Batch, then all of Rebels WORK_OF_ART, and then all of resistance.

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That's how you do it.

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You got to do it all.

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You got to get those races.

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You got to get the races.

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Matt Romano PERSON, I got a question for you.

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So you're 15 years old.

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You're like an episode one.

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I checked.

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I was 16.

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Just a big.

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I was 16.

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Thank you for that correction.

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I will.

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Kidimat at AOL.com at the time.

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What was it?

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Matt 26 at AOL.com in 1999.

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Please continue with your question.

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Sorry.

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You liked it.

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So two questions for you.

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Did your 16 year old friends like it as well?

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And why do you think people in general, the general consensus was like disappointment and didn't like it at the time?

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I'll just be completely honest. I mean, at the time, I was disappointed, but I was trying to convince myself so hard that it wasn't bad.

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And that thing, that's why I saw so many times trying to find things that I really liked about it. And again, like, and I think that's why I saw so many times, like, trying to find things that were like, I really liked about it.

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Yeah.

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And again, like, just to stress that like years later, I love the movie and it's been enriched by so many, so many years of more storytelling. But the reason why people didn't like it was because it was all, like we said before, it was that head cannon.

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It was that, you know, for everybody had, you know, 20 some odd years to think about what the clone wars were in their head. And I think it was, you know, anytime you have a little kid in a movie, it's becomes debatable, you know, little kids are tough, you know, acting wise, they're easy to nitpick, you know,

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jar jar. I mean, there's a lot of stuff in there. Like Brian says, it's for kids. And I think that the audience that was really pumped to see that movie were not kids. So ultimately, it was disappointing to them. But, but yeah, it's really a fascinating, like they should, I'm sure somebody written a book about it.

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But like, you know, the expectation and like the what happened henceforth. Yeah. Brian, you're your personal friend, Anthony Daniels PERSON, around the time of the movie coming out, I remember he gave an interviewwhere he was basically saying, like, if this had been the first Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie, if there was never a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie before this, nobody would be talking about the dialogue. Everybody would be runningthrough the streets like naked singing the praises of this movie and being like, holy shit,

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lightsabers, right? Yeah. Do you think that's true? Like, do you think, like, have you ever thought

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about, I mean, that's one of the times that I started kind of falling in love with it as its own thing,

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was when I, when I conscientiously sort of went like, okay, I'm going to pretend I've never seen a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie before. I don't want to look at this movie objectively and try and like fall in love with its elements. Do you think there's anything to that? Yes, I do. I think you're right when when you're like,

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it's train yourself to let go. Unlearn what you have learned. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, you know,

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or to quote a different Lucasfilm ORG property, forget all you know or think you know. And it just open yourself up to it. Yeah, Midichlorians are weird. Yeah. Jake Lloyd is in over his head, but George Lucas will be the first to tell you he's not good at directing actors.

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And so him directing, you know, a child, it's, you tell him faster,

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more intense, that kid was getting nothing. And he was hampered by saying, it's working.

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Yeah, what, yeah, what, it's, at least he wasn't the kid who's like, let's go and play ball

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with some of the worst ADR ever, because that kid is not saying let's go and play ball. It's over

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there, but the, it's like oh and um and then he's also not

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kittster you know with this um so but but yeah i do think i think people would have gotten

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past all that and have been like because this is the first time right we're seeing at the end of the day it's green lightsaber up against blue lightsaber fighting a double bladed red lightsaber. Fighting a double-bladed red lightsaber. I'm like, wow.

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And also Williams, the legendary John Williams, it wasn't a typical Star Wars WORK_OF_ART score either.

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No, that's true.

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He used some legacy themes, but he didn't, the main theme was not used all that much.

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He brought in this big corral thing with Dula of the Fates WORK_OF_ART, which was a little reminiscent

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of voices towards the end of Return of the Jedi WORK_OF_ART. But for the most part, choruses like that weren't used.

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It was different sonically as well in terms of, you know, that's what makes the beating heart of Star Wars is John Williams' PERSON music. So it took some time to get used to it and adjust. But yes, when I just let, because I was similar to Matt, it was like the second time I was really like, let's make sure, because the first time I was like just stunned. I was like, I don't really know what that was. It wasn't what

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I was expecting. Right. Exactly. What was that? And we had to adjust to a, but I knew I love, some things I love right off the bat. I love Quigon PERSON from the beginning. I've always, Quigon is one of

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my favorite Star Wars characters. I loved the lightsaber duel at the end. I love right off the bat. I love Quigon from the beginning. I've always, Quigon is one of my favorite Star Wars characters. I loved the lightsaber duel at the end. I love the look of Nabu PERSON.

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I love pod racing. Yeah. And now we, it's, and now that we're adjusted to it after so many years,

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it's, you know, it's a classic. But at the time, yeah, it was an adjustment. But I think there is

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something to that. If this had come out, this is the first ever Star Wars movie WORK_OF_ART. It would either, it's a classic. But at the time, yeah, it was an adjustment. But I think there is something to that. If this had come out, this was the first ever Star Wars movie.

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It would either be that, what he said, or it would be received like something like, I mean, Valerian PRODUCT and the city of a thousand planets, I thought was.

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Love that movie.

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I thought it was very underrated.

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And nobody cared.

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It's like, but if there was nothing like that and that was the first one and no imitators,

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because look at how many imitators start.

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That's what's annoying.

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And I think that's also true of Star Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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It's that like what you're saying before about the sequel trilogy. That's what we call the 789 sequel trilogy.

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That like people,

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they're like,

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there's nothing new.

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It's all reboots. It's all remakes. I want something new. And then they make Valerian PRODUCT. They're like, this sucks nothing new. It's all sequels. It's all reboots. It's all remakes. I want something new. And then they make Valerian PRODUCT. They're like, this sucks. Why are we watching? It's just like,

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make up your goddamn mind.

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You know, support lines or shut up.

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We don't want new things. It's false.

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That's why. It's like you do and you don't.

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If you want to,

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it's, they did.

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It's Phantom Force Awakens PRODUCT.

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I don't agree with some of the structure and some of the plot points very similar to New Hope WORK_OF_ART.

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Absolutely.

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I'm not going to, you know, but is it the same?

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No, absolutely not. The real different one in the mix there is Last Jedi WORK_OF_ART and look what happened.

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So it's death threats and everything.

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It's when you get in there. And let's remember that that's when I just, I absolutely lose patience and I wash my hands of the fandom. And that was, that really started. It started before that. This is not new.

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This is starting in 83 with the damn Ewox PRODUCT. Yep. You know, and it's, he's just trying to, he needs to sell toys. He didn't need to sell anything at that point. But now in 99, here comes death threats of Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd PERSON, both of them, driven to the psychiatric

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breaking point. Jake Lloyd PERSON has said numerous times, being in that movie destroyed his life. It's like, you think at being in that movie and then going to high school, like right after it, is going to be an easy ride. That kid's life was destroyed and the fans were part of it.

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Ahmed Best, same thing. That he comes back at all for Clone Wars and then Jedi Temple Challenge WORK_OF_ART and stuff like that and was applauded and everything at the last Star Wars WORK_OF_ART celebration. Amazing to me that he even gives it the time of day.

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And I think Hayden PERSON had a little bit of an advantage having seen what they went through

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because I think the way that Hayden's handled the whole thing from day one has been really remarkable. He sort of he did the two and then he sort of faded into the background until he kind of felt ready. And I think until he felt like the fans had finally accepted it and accepted him and embraced him

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and then just sort of worked his way back into it. And now he's really back into it. until he felt like the fans had finally accepted it and accepted him and embraced him, and then just sort of worked his way back into it. And now he's really back into it. And I think that's remarkable. But you're completely right. And it pissed me off at the time, especially the way that I was seeing Ahmed Best PERSON being treated at the time was disgraceful.And yeah, I mean, it's, you know, the three of us are giant Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fans. And it kind of, it's just one of the things that comes to the territory. We know that there's a ton of toxic fandom in our, in our little niche world, and it sucks, but, you know, got to want to ask it.

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And not to excuse, there are some choices with Georgia. There were obviously in poor taste.

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Of course. I don't lay any of that at Ahmed Bestor PERSON.

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He signed on to do a role. He's an actor and a thing and did the role on paper as he was directed well. You want to direct that, that upsetness. And that's not where it was coming from, though.

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It's like the legitimate people that were like, you know, these are offensive stereotypes.

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Yes, those are important. Those are important criticisms and important things to listen to. The rest of the, nah, nah, nah, you are at my childhood and all that. Please, kindly shut up.

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Enough of that. Enough. Just enough. Can I ask a question? I want to bring it back to 1999 for a second.

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I want something that I did not experience or don't remember experiencing, and I mentioned it

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earlier, but how much about this movie was known before the movie came out? In terms of the trailer, in terms of the trailer,

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in terms of what was out there,

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because I famously is the wrong word, but I don't watch trailers for, because I'm just like, I don't need to know what's going to happen in this movie. I know that I'm going to go see Dr. Strange.Like, I don't need to see the trailer. I don't want to have that spoiled for me.

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And I remember,

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like, when I think it was like Amazing Spider-Man 2 WORK_OF_ART, like there was like 26 minutes or something of trailers that they had put out. It's like, why even, why go see the movie?

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It was all the best stuff too.

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Right. Exactly. And that's what's frustrating. So I know, and I mentioned earlier, and I know that there was, it was noted that people, pre- YouTube obviously, that people were going to buy tickets. What you say to meet Joe Black PERSON to see the trailer and then either sticking around for the movie or like leaving and going to buy another ticket for another thing or whatever. Like I understand that was a thing.But like how much about the Phantom Menace was known either through magazines like Entertainment Weekly ORG or or nerd stuff or whatever or the trailers?

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Like what was out there?

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Like was Darth Mall PERSON? Was he out there?

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Was the two side of the two side of lightsaber was out there too? Yeah. Yeah. The crazy part is the toys. Like I think Star Wars WORK_OF_ART and the industry in general learned an important lesson from Fanda Menace

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is that they flooded the market with toys.

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I mentioned this earlier, but it didn't get into it, but the soundtrack was out to the movie, way in advance of the movie.

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Not that much.

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It was like a couple weeks, but it's spoiled the scenes.

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It spoils the entire movie. There's like three track titles on that CD. It ruins the movie.

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Quigon PERSON's noble end.

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No quigon's going to bite it.

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No funeral. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So like that was crazy.

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But like, you know, but then also like you, we were talking about dual the fates before. That was on TRL ORG.

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That was like that was like the number one video on TRL weeks before the movie came out.

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But you think about like there was so much stuff out there. Like it was flooded. And I think actually that might have led to people's disappointment with the film too.

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Because again, that head cannon, you're looking at these characters. You're starting to build your own narratives before you've even seen the film. And then you're just ultimately disappointed because it's not what it was. We learned. They didn't say for for attack of the clones no shot of of Yoda PERSON with a lightsaber.Yeah. That was like yeah.

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They didn't do that.

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That's right. Aside from reviews spoiling it. That was at the beginning of the internet and and crank sites or whatever. It's like, Yoda PERSON fights. Oh my God. So if you read all that crap, you were expecting it.But I agree. It's like they blew a lot in the trailers, but not too much.

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It's they've learned. They've gotten better. It's really interesting because Joey, like,

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the thing is, the answer to your question is a lot, but also not a lot. Because the thing is,

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I knew kind of the world and I knew the soundtrack and I knew the Darth Mall and like all of that

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stuff. I knew what like naked C3PO PRODUCT looked like.

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But when I saw the movie,

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I was still very much surprised with what I saw.

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You don't you,

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I remember being very confused about Natalie Portman and in Amadala PERSON.

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Yeah.

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Because you would see pictures of her like as the big fancy queen

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and as like the little, you know, nature and dresser and nightly, you're like, what is happening?

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Yeah.

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And also Palpatine and Sidious PERSON.

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And you're like, is it just him with the hood on?

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And truly there's more to it. And in two movies, I was like, no, that's exactly what it is. It's that easy. Yeah. And he is the Phantom Menace. It's as obvious as it is there.

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And still, I love that ending.

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He's triumphant. Talk about acting, though. He's phenomenal. The best. Throughout in this movie and for the whole trilogy, and so is Ewan McGregor PERSON.

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Because the only thing I can really compare it to is that when, in spite of me not watching trailers, when the Force Awakens trailer was released, the Alamo draft house, when I was living in Austin, did an event. It was like, eight o'clock in a Saturday morning. And they're like, come here, we're going to watch a trailer and we're going to talk about it. And we're going to watch a trailer again.We're going to talk about it. And so they had, you know, Tim League PERSON, the CEO at the draft house and they had like a star, like a writer for like birth, movie's death. And they had like a fan. They had somebody else or whatever. And they just, they showed it. I remember and I will never forget that in a trailer for the Forest Awakens WORK_OF_ART, which is a cool trailer. And I still really like that movie. But in the trailer where, uh, Kylo in the woods, the lightsaber comes up and then the side saber things come out.

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Like they like the guy next to me.

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And I don't, I don't want to make fun of Star Wars WORK_OF_ART fans.

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I'm sure like it was a common refrain. But the guy next to me makes a noise that he's like, it's like he's orgasming. He's like, and I was, I was like, that's cool. Like it didn't hit me, but I'm just like this guy. Like he just, it's the cool thing he's ever seen. And like it was really cool.But I'm just like, I can't imagine like what it's like, you know, back in 99. I'm sure it's the same thing. It's like you've waited close to like 15 years, 20 years, whatever since like main canon, main installment, main franchise, whatever. And then for something to like hit you with be like, oh my God, like this could be the best thing of all time is like, you know, I have things that I've waited a long time for, but like 15 or 20 years, like seems like in incredibly long time.

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Like nothing comes back after 15 and 20 years. Like that's such, and this did it twice.

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It did twice.

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Yeah. And it will again. And it will do it again.

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And in the next cycle, everyone will have something new to hate and the sequels will

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be lauded as these untouchable works of genius. I promise you. I think they're going to get the next trilogy right. I don't know. They're going to get the right. Then that's going to be the one. If we ever get away from TV, because I love where Star Wars WORK_OF_ART is on TV right now. So maybe they're. Yeah, we need to get back to the movies. Do we know? I mean, okay. I sure sure. I'm just happy. I'm happy to.

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The movies.

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The movies.

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I want to see what Tyca does with a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie.

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Absolutely.

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With that,

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with that crazy-ass font or whatever,

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and I'm just like,

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let her do whatever you want to do.

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And I want to see all this TV stuff

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culminate in some big three movie

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part movie epic.

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But no more movies, except

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I want it all to culminate the TV shows everything.

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But that's it.

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No more than that.

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That finally closes the whole

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Clone Wars WORK_OF_ART.

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The Clowny trilogy that really wraps up.

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It closes it for good.

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Until next year,

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when we close it again.

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This other trilogy is also part of that trilogy now.

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Yes. Yeah. It never stays away for long. How many times did we think the Clone Wars EVENT was over?

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And then even after six, it's like, well, now it's done. And then they were like, it's coming back for seven. That was a draw-drop moment. If I've ever, I might have been that fan, Joey. I didn't orgasm. And I didn't have to, change my pants or anything.But my jaw dropped the floor, and I said, I cannot believe it. It was pretty much.

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I'm actually doing it. I had completely opposite reaction.

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I had, like, PTSD from Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART being like, uh-oh.

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Like.

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With the Clone War Season 7 EVENT?

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Oh, no, I'm sorry.

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The Kylo Ren's PERSON lightsaber.

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Oh, no, no.

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Oh, okay. No. That's when. The Kylo Ren's PERSON lightsaber. Oh, no, no. Oh, okay.

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No.

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That's why I had that, that's that trailer.

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When that game, that was out of nowhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They kept that secret so well. And anytime they can keep a secret like that, it's like a majority. And Joey, there are things that you love that you would have that. In another 15 years, when the Fast Saga EVENT is over,

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you get your first look at bin diesel cuddling up to little little brian PERSON is now grown up is like and any wiles in it says something like it's like that's because you don't have family but they're coming back and here

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and then comes the you know his classic black car and letty's behind the wheel or something like that

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you would give an orgasm sound. Oh, for sure. 100%. 100%.

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This is just not your particular treasure chest of orgasms.

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No, I want to talk more about Joey and organet.

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Here's the thing.

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I'm here for it.

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This is a lot on our show.

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They're like poetry, right?

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They rhyme.

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And so if you orgasm about Darth Maul's lightsaber, you're going to about Kylo Rends PERSON.

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Yeah. What am I talking about?

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Guys, I'm sorry. I don't even know.

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Listen, I want to pick up on something you said earlier and then transition to another question for all you guys. So, you know, I can't stop thinking about it because you made this point about the Williams PERSON music and the role that that plays. I've long contended that like Star Wars, the Skywalker PERSON saga,ultimately is basically a beautiful structured John Williams PERSON music video, right?

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Like, the dialogue doesn't really matter. That's why I kind of overlook that, right? It's like, does it have the music? Does it have lightsabers?

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Does it have the music? Is it painted by the music and the images and a storyline that is driven somehow through words? I don't really care about yeah. How many times someone says yippy and wizard? I don't care.But I it's a really interesting point because now that I'm thinking about it, I do remember that I always got this little like twinge, of familiarity and, and being like, oh, this is where I want to be in the scene, the early part of Phantom Menace, when Quigon PERSON is, is trying to push through the door with a lightsaber, which is badass, by the way,

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melting metal light savers.

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We'd never seen it before.

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We haven't seen it before.

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But the Star Wars WORK_OF_ART, the main theme plays in the background when that's happening.

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Yeah, yeah.

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At that moment, you're like, oh, Star Wars.

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And then you're like, then you go into this other John William PERSON stuff for the rest of the movie.

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It never comes back.

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It's all new after that.

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Plenty of force theme, but never the main theme.

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Yeah.

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But having said that, now, again, it's one of those things where it's like all these years later.

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I think, first of all, I think the three best Williams

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Star Wars themes come from the prequels. And I think that's Dull of the Fates WORK_OF_ART across the

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stars and Annikin's theme from episode one. Yeah. I can hear people like listen to this,

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like getting chills. I don't know what any of those songs are. Like I believe you, but I can,

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did you hear me? Do you want to whistle some bars? Yeah.

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John, part of me is a guest that I can, I can back you with Dula the PRODUCT, and I, it's impossible

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to choose just three, but you're leaving Imperial March PRODUCT and the force thing off that list.

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I'm leaving those off the list because that's like saying your favorite band is the Beatles.

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It's, it's like, you know what I mean? Like, I those go without saying. I, like, I don't even

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consider those, those are in the ether. Those are like, you know what I mean? Like, those go without saying. Like, I don't even consider those are in the ether.

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Those are like, you know what I mean?

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I don't even think of them as like, of course, those two.

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But they're just like part.

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They're like the title.

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It's hard to talk about those as like, as outside of themselves now.

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Imperial March wasn't on TRL ORG.

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Burning up the charts, beating out Eminem and the Backstreet Boys ORG.

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That's true.

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That's got a great point.

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Yep.

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We've got to look at Imperial March PRODUCT. No, it's, but you know what I love about that track, especially dual of the fates? And at the time, and this has been talked about before, but this is what's great about hindsight, watching them, you know, going back after so much, so much fan service, but so much other things

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that fill in the blacks, it just enriches all of it. If you don't want it, don't read it.

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Don't watch it. It's like, there's plenty of other crap. Yeah. But why call a duel of the fates when it's this, it's people at the time, it's like, shouldn't that be ultimately be saved for Anakin and Obi-Wan PERSON? And it's like, no, because if that duel decides the entire rest of the nine movies,if that duel had gone differently, if Quigon had lived, I think you don't have Darth Vader, you don't have the fall. I think part of me thinks a stealth mission for Darth Maul PERSON was do this if you can't, kill them both if you can, definitely get rid of Quigon Jin PERSON. Because he sees more than all the others and he doesn't play by the rules of the Jedi or whatever.

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He's going to be a problem. He is going to see through this, especially when I get to the Duku PERSON shit that I'm going to start playing really soon. So it's over the fate of Anakin PERSON. Who's going to take care of him?

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And if that had gone different. So it does it. And when they bring it back in Revenge of

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the Sith, it's briefly in one of my favorite duels in the whole saga. Oh, how amazing is that?

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Well, it's also, though, and let's get super nerdy here. It's also in clones. And it's in exactly

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the right moment in clones. Oh, yes. It's right before he finds his mom. It's these moments of

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Anakin PERSON's. It's the changing of his fate. Beautiful.

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Yeah.

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I just adjusted my glasses.

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I just passed out.

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I passed out for a second.

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Hold on.

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Wait, what did I miss?

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Little shatter points where it's like if this, this is like, there's still a way back at that point before this. But he's going into this once he goes in that things and slanders from like animals.

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You know, there's no, there's no going back really.

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It's like that is a point of no return. Yeah. And right up until though, Padmay PERSON's pleading with him on that most of our platform,

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still like, yes, Natalie Portman PERSON is asking you to go with her anywhere.

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She's pregnant with your child.

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You say yes.

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No, it's like, I don't care if this wrinkled old man over there.

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Yippee.

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Yeah, it's like, wizard.

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So wizard.

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Oh, man.

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Have you, how they've now canonized where the phrase wizard started.

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I want to bring up wizard for a second because for every movie for the show, for every episode,

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we're like titling the episode with one word from that movie.

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So like for The Matrix, it was Woe and for Eyes Wide Shut WORK_OF_ART.

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It's, you know, Fidelio ORG and, you know, things make sense.

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And so I was going to be like, what is that one, orgy?

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Yes, it's it's the, it's the password to get into the origin.

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I know, I know.

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I've seen it. He's seen it. I know, but I'm explaining to the people, because I don't think that episode's out yet. Or is that episode out? No, this is the second episode. No, this is the second episode.Oh, I'm sorry, everybody.

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Time's a flat circle. It's fine. But I say to John PERSON, because I try to guess every time. I'm like, where which is this thing? He's like, no, the second episode. This is the second episode. Oh, I'm sorry, everybody. Time's a flat circle. It's fine. But I say to John, because I try to guess every time. I'm like, for Blair PERSON, which? Is it this? He's like, no, it's this.I'm like, okay, cool. And I'm like, for this one, it's yippy, right? It's got to be yippee. He's got to be yippee.

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He's like, no, it has to be one word?

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Does it have to be one word?

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We're trying.

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Or two, but like, yeah.

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But like, it kind of, there's a very, we're fitting into a space.

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So it's more like number of characters kind of.

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And I'm like, I'm like, I'm literally watching the movie now and I have no idea what wizard means.

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And he's something seen that I had seen like 20 minutes earlier.

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And it's funny you say that.

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Brian wrote copy for our first episode ever of our podcast or the description for our podcast. The first thing I ever had him right for the podcast. And he sounded like a madman because it ended with like,

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it's going to be so wizard. And I was like, what the hell are you? Like is this? I had to ask him like, is this a thing? And then I missed it too. I was like, you know, he, you're checking

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the contract. You're like, it's too late to back out to get rid of them. It's really like one line.

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It's, it's, it's as

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as he's walking away from the camera.

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And John's like, well, you know, in the new episode in BobaFat, like Mando PERSON says it.

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I'm like, nope, didn't hear that. And he's like, fans look at it. I'm like, are you sure? So I'm not sure that.

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Yes, fans are phantom animals.

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And now recently in the wonderful High Republic books, Daniel Jose PERSON older,

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hundreds and hundreds of years before this movie takes place,

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this random character just starts saying Wizard WORK_OF_ART and people are like, what is that? Are you trying to make a phrase catch on?

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He's like, yeah, I think it's funny. And other characters start using it.

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And the day that Boba Fed episode came out and Mando himself said Wizard WORK_OF_ART, Daniel Jose older is like, I know, he just kept tweeting, I've seen it. Guys, I've seen it because everyone had just read his book. And it's like, forget about the birth of, you know, this thing in the Jedi PRODUCT or why Jedi don't marry or wherever else. The birth of the phrase wizard happens in the High Republic ORG books. That's what I want

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Taekuatidis series to be about how Wizard WORK_OF_ART became like just three-part saga of how Wizard entered into the lexicon.

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We can all thank a character named Ram Jama Ram PERSON. And I'm not even kidding.

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No, you're not.

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I think you should call the episode, uh, Misa PERSON like this.

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No, God.

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Mista PERSON like a dee.

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That's the great Brian Blessed PERSON.

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The great one of Brian Blessed PERSON. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome cast Brian Blessed. The great Brian Blessed.

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Yeah.

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Awesome cast in this movie, by the way.

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One of the best Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie cast.

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You know what?

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You know one of my favorite, one of my favorite, the one line that is awful, just awful on the page and awfully delivered.

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It's a Panaka PERSON line.

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And it's, of course it is.

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And Hugh Quarshie PERSON, who also winds up with, he's better, he gets a better deal.

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And he complained after this.

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Yeah.

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He did the Shia LeBov after the Crystal Skull WORK_OF_ART thing.

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He was like crapping all over this.

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Well, Liam Neeson PERSON famously retired after this.

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So that's why you heard of him since then.

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I will also say, while we mentioned Crystal Skull WORK_OF_ART, Crystal Skull, much better than people

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give it credit for.

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Shia, great as Matt Williams PERSON. I will go to back for that movie. Please continue.

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Oh, invite me on for the 2014 episode.

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Yeah, because Matt PERSON, Matt,

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and I have been going at it since we met about this,

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because I love Fridge ORG the podcast.

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I love it too.

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I love it too.

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But he's in Kukwarsh GPE,hi appears in one of my least favorite two

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partners of Doctor Who ever, the Daleks in Manhattan. I'm like, oh. With Andrew Garfield PERSON.

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Yeah. It's like, and Garfield PERSON's not the problem there. It's this weird. It's the face thing.

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It's not bad. It's just not my favorite episode. So it's, um, but it's, uh, when it's like the,

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the sandstorm starts and he's outside the ship with

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Obi-Wan and you and Ewan says oh this storm's going to slow them down and Panaka PERSON looks out

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and he goes looks pretty bad and then he gets a call and he gets a call and is like Panaka

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is like let's go back inside and that's like the pausing it's like it's a lifted and framed line

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like it's like it's from Shakespeare PERSON it's like looks pretty bad it's like that's what that and framed line. I didn't really notice that before. Like it's from Shakespeare. It's like,

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it looks pretty bad.

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It's funny.

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That's all you've got to say. Random stuff and noise. Like, I've never even noticed.

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And I'm totally seen the scene now that you're saying it.

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And I'm laughing my ass off.

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But yeah, it's also like I love, I love that Ewan PERSON,

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this is the only movie that he tries to deliver some of his lines in an Alec Guinness PERSON voice.

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And they're great when he does. And I'm glad he gave it up and sort of found his own voice for that character. But like, that's also part of the charm. When he says, you know, when they find us.

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Yeah, yeah, I was just saying that.

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Bloss us into oblivion.

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Blast us into oblivion.

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And then he starts into our co-host, Caitlin PERSON,

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because prequel Obi-Wan is her favorite character.

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You and Obi-Wan is her all-time favorite Star Wars WORK_OF_ART character

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because of the SaaS.

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He is sass master general.

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And he is, I think, he gets away with that sass partially

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because if you look at Obi-Wan's Star Wars WORK_OF_ART life, it's the most depressing story ever told. Yeah.

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It's how many loved ones die in his arms, including

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Clone Wars WORK_OF_ART. Yeah, it's like, and now it's like

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who's important to whom's going to die in his arms

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in the news show? It's like, it's going to be Luke PERSON.

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Yeah, but it's like, it's like, wait, Luke PERSON, it's like, here's

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a spin on the Kenobi show. Luke PERSON dies. And he actually wasn't

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Luke and that's in. He meets Ezra PERSON in the world between worlds.

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It takes a different doorway.

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Well, I don't understand it, but...

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Anyway, green light. You know... Uh...

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I won't bring up the world between worlds.

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I'll say that for another time.

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Half of Matt PERSON's theories are based in the world between worlds.

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That was such a...

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Someone's going to use that to solve,

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to resolve an inconsistency at some point.

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You can reboot the sequel.

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Get rid of them.

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I don't like Ray PERSON because she's a girl.

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I know you're not saying that, but that's what...

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We're going to have a couple closing Phantom Man's questions in a second. But before we do that, I have to... Let's talk quickly about the new Obi-Wan series because, you know, it's a direct sequel to the prequels. And it's awesome. And with that Boba Fett episode that was just the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART nostalgia episode where like the Bunti Everace happens and it's awesome. And there is this like generation that's grown up with these movies that we always knew there was going to be who are, you know, loving sort of seeing that story continue. Okay. Here's a question. Is Ian McDiarmid in the Opie one canoe series? Is that a character or an actor? Palpatine PERSON.

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Yes. Okay. I hope. I hope so. Me too. It's, I can't see how they do it without him.

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Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't see how they don't pull everything out of the toy box for this show.

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Like, like just, and it's not like he's going to say no.

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And we, and it's a limited series, you know, it's not, it's only only one season.

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And, you know, we already have like the big reveal that Darth Vader is going to be in the series, both as Vader and as hopefully Anakin PERSON.

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But, yeah, I think, I feel like there's some surprises yet to see.

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And that would be an amazing thing to throw out there like episode five, you know.

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Because one one dumb fan theory that I read that I actually think might have some

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legs to it is aside from the harsh Tatooine sons as what sort of prematurely ages Obi-Wan Kenobi PERSON by the time we get to a new hope,

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there's a fan theory going around that part of the reason he looks so much older is because it's in fact Palpatine PERSON that ends up aging Obi-Wan-Kinobi in much the same way that Palpatine aged himself when he lightening himself in that little battle there.

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I wouldn't hate it.

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Would not hate that.

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If they're keeping that under wraps,

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I would not be upset to find that.

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That's a reason to bring him back for sure.

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Unspoiled.

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Even if it's just the voice,

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you know,

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I could see just his cackle or something.

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Just that.

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I mean,

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also this is.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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this is before.

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Rebel PERSON or or that, no, it also, this is. Yeah. This is before. Rebel or or.

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No,

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it's after Rebels WORK_OF_ART.

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Okay.

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I was thinking, um,

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they could even use it as like a,

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a stealth Thrawn PERSON intro,

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but the time.

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Oh,

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no,

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I hope we wait till Asoka for Thrawn PERSON,

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honestly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think we're also going to see some Tamara Morrison PERSON's going to get

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some Cody in there.

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Yeah.

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Oh God. I hope so.

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One of the shots looks like him.

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So, yeah.

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A tone for you.

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I feel like that would be a huge miss that they didn't do that.

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That's a dream.

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Because that's one of those things.

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It's like seeing Katie Sackoff the first time in Mando PERSON.

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Yes.

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If they don't do it here, I can see them doing it on Bad Bad Bad Bad WORK_OF_ART.

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I can see like the Rex Cody reunion happening on Bad Bad Bad WORK_OF_ART.

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Oh, I think that's kind of inevitable.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But it's I want to see Tomor and talk with Tomor or Cody talk.

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It's like talk with Kenobi.

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It's like try and blast them off the wall again.

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It's like, you might be needing this. Also this. That and blast them off a wall again. It's like you might be needing this.

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Also this. That and finally getting Keisha Castle Hughes is the live action Omega will be like those are my two.

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Is that who you think they'll go with? I'm almost certain they will. I mean, name another Maori NORP actress.

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She's already already the queen in it. well, of course you know.

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Yes.

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Well, they've done that before.

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They could do it.

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Of course they have.

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Queen of what? Queen of what?

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Queen of Nabu PERSON.

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At the end of.

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Oh, right.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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That's her.

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You had no idea.

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Yeah, I got that right away.

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Anthony Daniels has played like nine different characters as has Warwick Davis PERSON.

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So, you know.

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Yeah, there you go.

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All right.

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Let's close with this on an upbeat note.

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What is your favorite scene in the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART?

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Oh, man.

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Well, I mean, absolutely dual of, a duel of fates.

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I mean, the lightsaber battle with Darth Long PERSON.

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But what part of it?

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Oh, my God.

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I think it's the part when he like, they like, he like kicks Obi-1 or something.

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Like they, you know, it's just like it's like a good, like he gets him with with the you got to watch it like three times to see that but it's awesome when it happens yeah

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yeah yeah yeah i don't know it gets a good jump kick on obi one i love that part yeah all right so

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duel of the fates in general and that one part yeah i mean come on that's that's the most iconic part

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of our small kicks obi won which is a great but but but if i you a quick, just side note, okay, something that doesn't happen in this

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movie, but is my favorite thing to come out of Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART.

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Okay, so the pod racing scene, you know, Rats Tirel PRODUCT?

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Yes.

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I used to play with, I'm familiar with Rats Tirel PRODUCT?

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Yeah.

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Rats Tirel PRODUCT, you know, this guy?

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He's the guy that dies in the cave and he goes, and just dies.

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There's a great

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canon story about his

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son and his family being

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so distraught over his death

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that they form, I'm not, I shit you

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not, that they form the Rats

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Tyrell Corporation or foundation

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and they lobbied a ban

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yeah, they've lobbied a band

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pod racing in the galaxy and they

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succeed.

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And I mean, it still happens in like, you know, the outer rim territories.

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But they, uh, they've lobbied to the end, um, pod racing.

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And that's the bureaucracy I was talking about.

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Nice.

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That makes Star Wars WORK_OF_ART so fascinating.

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I, I'm laughing at you, but also kind of love what you're saying.

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Thank you.

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You know, it's like the Elion Slees Spagano PERSON redemption story.

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Fantastic.

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And my second favorite weird Star Wars WORK_OF_ART aside.

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Take enjoyment in something as cockamamie bullshit like that, then you're in the wrong thing.

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Like, you're looking in the wrong place.

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Yeah.

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I just crossed movie references.

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Brian, what's your favorite phantom fantasy?

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I mean, it's obvious. It's hard. Well, what's your favorite phantom fantasy? I mean, it's obvious.

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It's hard.

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Well, let's say aside from Duel of the Fates WORK_OF_ART and the Pod Race, you know, because I'm

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going to throw one on, I'll say that one scene that I've really come to love, and I think

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it's a genuinely really well-acted and well-written scene between Jake Lloyd PERSON and

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Pernilla August PERSON.

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It's when they're saying goodbye.

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And she says, you can't stop the change anymore than you can stop the sun from setting.

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And when he says, will we ever see each other again?

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She says, what does your heart tell you?

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And the moment from Jake Lloyd PERSON is like, I hope so.

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Yes, it's like that's just a really real moment.

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Yeah.

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There's no acting.

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That's just, it's heartbreaking. And that moment's no acting. That's just, it's heartbreaking.

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And that moment and that hug and he walks away and he's following this mystic Jedi PRODUCT and the poncho and the force theme kicks in.

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That scene always, if we're going to go with non-lightsabers and non-whatever, but that's just like, and that's the beginning, right?

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If she went to, if the mother went to, he would have still had attachment problems. But this is the beginning right if she went to if the mother went to he would have still

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had attachment problems but this is the beginning of of the issues here yeah you know it's it's also

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yeah um i think it's no uh accident that the force theme kicks up it's like well here's another

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step on the road of destiny um that and i and i know it's it's a little corny but i love his line

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i'm going to be a first one to see him all.

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And it's like, that's that he's this goofy kid.

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And that's what people hated.

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This goofy kid turns out to be the worst villain ever.

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I was like, yes, that makes the fall.

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It's like, and I was part of it.

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I was saying that too.

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But now it's like, maybe it's just with distance.

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I don't know. It just, I can't see it any other way now. Yeah.

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Joey, what's your favorite scene?

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I don't, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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This is not a question I could really answer,

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but I will say that my two favorite characters,

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we've not really talked about yet,

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are two favorite actors, I guess. I love Greg Proops PERSON as the podraiser announcer.

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I think he's wonderful.

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And I got very excited this time,

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because I don't think I recognized him or noticed him or whatever past viewings.

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But when Terrence Stamp PERSON shows up as the chancellor, I was just like, hell yeah.

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Because he had a hell of a 1999 that we're going to cover in other ways later on this show.

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But to see Terran Stamp PERSON, just like, when you see him, it's just like, oh, yeah, that guy means business.

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Like whether it's good business or bad business or just if you want to be afraid of him or whatever. I don't know, man. But the liney, like, it's just like, oh, yeah, that guy means business. Like, whether it's good business or bad business or just if you want to be afraid of him or

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whatever.

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I don't know, man, but the liney, like, it's like three lines.

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Always parent stamp.

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I have, I have two and one is kind of in Matt's camp and one's kind of in Brian's camp.

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So I think those two answers were interesting.

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So one, the one that I think I'd have to sort of pick above all others because every time, I mean, from like the staging of it, the timing of it, the music, the cinematography of it is the, when when mall appears in the at the bay doors. Yeah.

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It is just.

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That's it.

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That's so fucking iconic.

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I changed my answer.

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I changed my answer.

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That's the iconic.

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And the losing of the robes and the first reveal of the second edge of the

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lightsaber, even though you know from all the toys.

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But like when you see it that first time, it's so intimidating and so awesome. Yeah. It's one of the best sequence of shots in any Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie. From a kind of emotional standpoint, I don't know why this gets me every time. But again, it's something to do with like, just the way it's framed and the music cue and the cinematography is when Anakin PERSON gets the pod racer working. Oh, yeah.

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And it fires up and the music plays and he says it's working, it's working.

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And then you see Schme's face and you see Quigone PERSON on.

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And it's like, it's the whole kind of like every element of

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the movie is just sort of in that one moment and I think it's so beautiful.

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You realize in that moment how special Anakin PERSON really is because not only can this kid like

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drive the pod racer but fix it, you know, he's intelligent enough to build it, ride it and be

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adorable saying it's working. You're going to need those skills because you're going to need them to constantly rebuild your arms and legs when you're older. And it's like, you're good at fixing things. It's like, yeah, well, you're not going to be able to fix the people that die.

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Can't fix a massive ego.

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You know what, music cue I know, because I know exactly the cue you're talking about.

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It's never heard again. It's this little motif that you don't hear again. But I love when he blows up the inside of the trade ship and then flies out.

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It cuts in with a duel of the fates mix with the forest theme. Yeah.

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It's really gorgeous.

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And they reuse it in Revenge of the Sith when half the,

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still flying half the ship when it comes in for the landing there.

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But that is such, and he bursts out and the pilots are like cheering him on.

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And I always think whenever that scene plays, it's like, when I met him, he was already a great pilot. I was like, well, there he is. We'll try spinning. That's a good track, right?

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Yeah, it's funny, Brian, too, because you said that you called me out for not saying the Imperial March. But also, the Imperial March is in Anakin PERSON's theme in this really beautiful way.

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Yeah. Right again. And as we drop a lot of times, Palpatine PERSON's theme is right there in a major key. That's the celebration at the end.

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I love it when people are discovering this for the first time.

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There's so many TikToks PRODUCT, it's like, I just discover this. It's like, no, you didn't.

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You saw this on another TikTok ORG and you're hoping for your own things. But it's like, it's like, yeah, everything's great. It's in a major key. There's a Sith Lord in charge of us. And nobody knows. And it's just, oh, what a, what a brilliant little thing that is.

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And across the stars is just the main theme inverted.

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So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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He knows what these. Williams PERSON, you crafty dog.

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Anyway.

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I think he's got a future.

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So Joey is going to ask you the last questions we ask on every episode. And I got to say, I think at this point, Joey, they can't say the Phantom Minutes WORK_OF_ART, right? They have to say something else, right?

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Well, that's the thing. I think we have to amend the question.

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Yeah, because it's a two-part question.

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It's a two, it's a similar question. But do you have a favorite movie from 1999? And I feel like the answer is probably a Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, but also maybe not. But so we could say like other than the, I guess if it's the Phantom Menace WORK_OF_ART, give another one. If it's not the Phantom Maness, just give that one. And then I'll ask the follow-up question, but favorite movie from 1999,either one or two. Okay, so I was just looking at

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1999 movies. Because I'd get, I'd say that

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remember what came out. The mummy. The mummy came out in 1990.

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Yeah. Incredible movie. That movie stands up like is,

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from end to end is such an exciting movie.

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Oh, my dream. And it's one of those movies I can't wait to show my kids.

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Still my heart.

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It's love every minute of the mummy.

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Get the hell out of here.

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Our first guest on the Matrix episode, Chris Cluey PERSON, that was his answer as well.

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Yeah.

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Really?

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Oh, well, all right.

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The mummy.

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My heart belongs to Evelyn Carnahan PERSON.

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Yeah.

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And there's a reason everyone is having this Brandon Fraser PERSON Renaissance.

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And it's because how fucking awesome the mummy is.

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Well, and also how fucking awesome he is.

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And I would say the mummy returns.

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I mean, it's a no man.

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Sure.

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Mummy returns is also awesome.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, the second one.

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Third one, not my favorite.

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I'll still watch it if I'm going to do it.

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Wait, which one is the Rock?

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Is that two or three?

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That's no.

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The two.

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The Scorpion King.

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That's two. And then Jet League. When the Rock was just's two. No, that's two. Raku machinde PERSON. Scorpion king.

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That's two.

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And then Jet League PERSON.

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When the rock was just in everything.

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I mean, he still is.

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That was his first big thing.

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He's like,

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it was like a line.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Funny,

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my brain just went to like CGI.

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Oh,

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and terrible CGI.

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Yeah.

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My brain went to like the rock is everything.

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And my,

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my frame of reference was he appeared in an episode of Star Trek Voyager WORK_OF_ART and he was in that movie.

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So that was that was him in that movie.

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Well,

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straight to me up,

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also in the Mummy Returns,

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if you blink and you'll miss him as Jason Statham PERSON.

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Like,

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get out of you.

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Yeah,

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yeah,

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I'm lying.

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That's not.

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He's like,

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he's like,

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10 things I hate about you.

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Spokian PERSON.

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Scorpion PERSON,

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King of A.

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Matt PERSON, that's why we're doing a podcast about that year. You know what?

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I just figured out what the, what great podcast this is.

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A lot of good movies.

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Yeah.

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Can you believe it? All right. So here's, here's the follow. Here's another question number two.

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Just get off for movies. No, no, that's actually, that's actually a, no, because that's hard because people are like,

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I don't know when things came out.

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No, wait. Brian doesn't answer. His answer.

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He said like eight movies. I thought, I thought there was an answer in there.

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No, I have, because if this is from 99, it would beat them all. Being John Malcovic is from 99.

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Sure is.

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That would be my job.

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Damn.

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That movie changed the way I thought and looked at movies.

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I came out of that movie and said, I did not know movies could be made like that.

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I didn't know they were allowed to be like that. And I hadn't seen a lot of the classics before that. I was sheltered, you know, and I was just, that changed my interests completely. Recently, I had another experience that I related much like that when I saw everything, all, everything, everything, all, everywhere, all at once,

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gave me a similar feeling when I walked out of it as to being Joe Malcovic but that would be my pick for 99.

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I'd like to change my answer to varsity blues.

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Okay.

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For a second, I thought you were going to go with.

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I thought you were going to say Mr. Ripley, which is also 99, right?

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It sure was.

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And Magnolia ORG?

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Yep.

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And Mulan Rouge PRODUCT?

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No, we got to do a podcast about this.

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Oh, American.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Well, there's in 2001.

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American Beauty ORG.

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Yeah. Hey, Brian, I got an idea for a podcast.

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Good. All right, John, we pivot to be a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART podcast. Good luck with the American Beauty ORG.

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Brian, if, so mummy's already taken, unfortunately.

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But Brian, if you want to come back for our being John Malkovich episode, that's going to be in like, I don't know, eight months. But yeah, I'm probably free. It's all yours,

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I mean, what am I doing? I know. Podcasts. Nothing. You're just talking to a microphone anyway.

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You might as well talk to us. Joey, back to you. So now here's the follow-up question. I think

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there's another caveat here. What is your favorite movie of all time?

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And if you say a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie, you have to give another answer.

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Oh, man.

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Just don't say a Star Wars movie.

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But I mean, like if it's a Star Wars WORK_OF_ART movie, say the Star Wars movie, then give another answer.

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It's Empire Strikes Back WORK_OF_ART, but, yeah.

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That would be my answer, actually.

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Is your favorite movie Empire Strikes Back WORK_OF_ART?

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I think so.

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You know this.

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I don't pick favorites. But like, when people forced me to say a favorite movie, itkes Back? I think so. You know this. I don't pick favorites.

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But like it's when people forced me to say a favorite movie,

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it's either that or contact.

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Those are the two that I'm always like.

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I mean,

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the answer is Paddington ORG too,

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but that's fine.

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I like,

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I immediately when people ask me that question,

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like,

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I don't know,

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my brain immediately goes back to like when I was a kid

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and like what VHS tapes did I like burn a hole in,

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you know?

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And it's like I'm not proud to say it.

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